A Conversation with Tara Fust | S03E08

Welcome to season three of the Leadership is Feminine podcast. I'm Chris Plackey, and I'm so happy that you're here. In this season, we're doing something different. One of the things that I believe to be true is that there is so much unsourced, beautiful wisdom in the everyday person. I really like to talk about what I call obscure wisdom. That means these are things that people know that unless we meet them at a cocktail party or at a barbecue or sitting next to them, you know, on a train, we don't hear about it. And these aren't celebrities. These aren't people who've written, you know, best selling books yet. These aren't people that are on the circuit that everybody else is learning from. These are everyday women who are CEOs, building, dealing with, working through all the pieces and parts of running a company. And I want to bring my beautiful clients and their wisdom to your ears because I know that you'll find it to be validating and insightful and hopefully also some fun. So, without further ado, let's get started with this week's amazing personal client and guest on Leadership is Feminine. Hello, everybody. How are you? I'm so excited that you're here for this episode of Leadership is Feminine. Today I'm super excited to introduce my client, Tara Fust.

She was telling me funny things about her name and I almost said it wrong. Tara and I have known each other for a few years, which is so fun. And Tara is sitting simply delightful and intelligent and witty. And I'm thrilled to have this time to spend to chat with you and have you share some of your story and some of your wisdom. So welcome, Tara.

Thank you. I'm happy to see you. It's weird to be with you and not be taking notes.

Yeah, well, it's early. You never know.

Okay, Okay, I got time.

There could be like a truth bomb that comes out that you're like, wait, we need to write that down.

It could happen.

It could happen. You might say when.

You never know.

You're prone to that, too.

Yeah, you never know.

Yeah. I like to think how lucky I am that I get to learn from people every day. So there's that. Pretty cool. All right, so tell us who you are and what your beautiful business is and what your magic is that you do in the world.

My name is Tara Fest and I have an interior design firm in Atlanta, Georgia called Terra Fest Design. This is actually my first third magical business. I am a serial business, I guess, entrepreneur. And what we create beautiful spaces for people. We let them know what's possible. And I always tell people, I'm not selling furniture. I'm selling a feeling. I want you to walk in. I want you to love your house. It's who I am. It's what I do. It's what we do. We bring that into the world, and through that, we feel like we change lives.

You do change lives. People's faces are 100%. Yeah.

Before they even know it, too. So it's super fun. I have a super fun job.

You do have a super fun job, and you have a super beautiful aesthetic. So if we don't. If people don't know about you yet, you absolutely need to go to Instagram and follow. Right. Your Instagram profile, which is. It's Terrifyst designs. Right.

It's Terra Fuss design. Yeah.

Yeah. So beautiful, beautiful work. And anyway, incredibly inspiring. So I'm thrilled that you're here now. We've known each other for a while and sort of walked the path as you've made some decisions about your business and then made new decisions about your business. Yeah. So how would you sort of describe your own kind of growth as a woman who was running her own business, the one that you're running now?

It started from a place of. And this is probably. I had had this business for quite a while before you and I met, but that. I didn't want employees. I wanted to keep it tight. I wanted to keep it small. I'm a control freak, and my previous experience with employees was less than desirable. So you helped me get over that, Humphrey, in a big way. I now have SOPs because of you.

Oh, my gosh.

And honestly, I get a little irked when people don't follow the SOPs.

Well, what's the point of it? Right?

What's the problem? Yeah. I laid it out for you like a beautiful gift.

Come on.

Yeah. Just follow it, and everybody's going to be fine.

Yeah.

So much easier.

So it's an interesting journey. Right. And I love that you've done this three times. What did you know for sure you didn't want to do this time? That might have happened in your previous two businesses.

Have a partner. I did not want a business partner. That was the issue in the second business. That was the one thing I knew for sure. I'll never have another business partner.

Why?

It didn't end well, and I brought so much baggage with me, and it just stayed with me for a very long time. That distrust, not being able to trust another female, not being able to trust somebody financially.

The. The way that it ended, it put my family's financial position in jeopardy unknowingly. Like, there were things going on behind the scenes that I wasn't aware of and that I found out afterwards. So I thought, I'll never. It's the way I started my first business. Right. I was about 10 months pregnant, and my employer said, oh, hey, the girl you've been training, you know, for six weeks to take over for you while you're gone, she's going to take your job. We won't need you. And I said, sorry, we're in California. It doesn't work that way. I think that's illegal, but a little bit, so. But I went out on maternity leave, never came back, and took them. I thought, no one will ever have that control over me again. And I took them, and they were my first clients. I never came back. And that's how I started my first business. And that's how I felt after the second business that I loosened up a little bit. And that's where I think you helped me so much. Right. Is learning how to delegate and trust and let go of certain things. Because I had been burned pretty badly.

Yeah. And that's rough. I mean, that's a real truth. I think it's important that we talk about that. Right. Like, one of the questions I know that I've been asking my clients on these podcasts is, you know, what's a truth that a lot of female entrepreneurs, CEOs know but don't talk about? Right. Like, it's not. Like it's not widely discussed, because there's either shame around it, or. Right. We feel inadequate, or there's, like, stories that we have.

And I think there's a whole book. I mean, there's a ton of stories. Right. And I think that that's why it's hard for women who own businesses to make friends with other women. And you and I have talked about this a lot. I experienced this a lot. Just you get judged in a lot of different ways. You know, what's going through your head 247 is not what is going through somebody else's head 24 7. So sometimes it's hard to find that common ground.

Yeah. That's a really, really powerful thing to talk about.

Mm.

We've talked about it. I know. In lab calls, and we talked about it in Hawaii, which you come to as well. And I think it's a source of. Of pain for a lot of women that they don't feel safe connecting with a lot of Other women or they don't know how or they can't find.

Other women who they can connect with at the level that they want to. Right, Right. I think it was Rebecca who said when we were all together, right. She's like, this is really fun. It's like we. We bypassed all the stuff we don't want to talk about and we got to the stuff that's really fun to talk about. A really interesting to talk about when it comes to relationships with other women. Like, we skipped all the, like all the fluff. Yeah.

We skipped all the surface stuff. And there was no filter. And if you, if you asked a question, no one looked at you like you had six heads.

No.

Or like you were judging them. They just answered your question. Right. Because it seems normal.

Right?

Yeah, it was very. It was. It was amazing, which is why I'm going back. So.

I know excited. We're not very far away. It's like a month yesterday. Yeah. Super fun.

Okay, so let's.

Let's ask a couple questions here that are about you and your beautiful magic.

What. What do you now?

I mean, you've obviously. I do. I. I did kind of want to ask you one other question about the business partner thing because I'm actually con. Considering creating a program, like a one time thing that I'll do this year for people who co. Cedric. Especially for men and women, but women. And if. If you're in a business partner with another woman, that's fine. But I want it. I want the women who have male partners or spouses or whatever to be able to do this work with them. But there's common. I think that there's things that we learn. I've heard more people say I'll never have a business partner again. And I wonder if you could kind of give like the best advice to someone who's contemplating a partnership or maybe is in one. What would you say is something you wish you'd known or you would you think they could do better or differently?

That would help 100%. I would have a contract up front. We didn't. We were best friends. She was the godmother to my daughter. I mean, we'd known their family for years. Did I expect things to go down the way they went down? Never. Never in a gazillion years?

No.

So it doesn't. It's just like they say, going into business with family. Right. Everything's fine until it's not. So you have to protect yourself. It's not even really like a. A prenup, but It. It is. It's sort of a business. It's a business prenup. Yeah.

We have to make decisions ahead of time when the motion's not present. Right, Exactly.

And before lawyers get involved.

Yes.

Because that gets really expensive very, very quickly.

Yeah. And uncomfortable for everyone. So.

Yeah, not good.

So you've been through a couple iterations. So you've built a relationship, I would imagine, with a little, you know, with some failure.

Yeah.

So how do you think your relationship with failure has changed as you've matured through your entrepreneurial experience?

Right now we're best friends.

Is that because you pulled the milk and honey card?

I mean, because I pulled it. You know what? You can't. I have to fail. I can't fail. I can't go forward without failing. And my younger self never would have, you know, never, ever in a gazillion years would have had that attitude. Right. So working my way through this, I can look back and see the failure is if I make a mistake. The failure is if I don't learn anything from it to move forward, if I don't make a change, if I don't assess and identify where the gap was, where to fill the hole so I do it better next time.

Time.

And don't make them the same mistake. If I fail in the same way twice, I'm asleep.

Oh, my gosh. I was just gonna say. So that's what's interesting about failure, right? Is in order. In order to really make it worth it, you have to stay present through the whole thing. Because a lot of times when we fail, we want to just cut that part off. Hide. Right. And bear. Just. Just disappear. Avoid it. Um, ignore it. I love that you just said that. Like, if I'm asleep, that's because I do it again. It's because I was asleep. That's really well said. And so how do you do that? What do you think is the emotional resilience you've created to do that? Like, what do you say to yourself? Obviously, you said, I can't grow unless I'm willing to do this. So what's your.

My go to? And I will. I will give a lot of credit to thoughtwork. You know, I will say that is that has pulled me off the ledge. And thought would say, there is no ledge, Tara. It's all good. Leave a ledge that you make in your brain, baby. That's right.

So my first question I asked myself is, what am I making this mean? Why am I so tweaked about this? What happened about this What, what, what am I making it mean? And when I can pull myself away from the situation and look at what I'm making it mean, then I'm able to really look at it from an obs versus being in it with all my emotion wrapped up in it. And the shame of, oh my gosh, you know, I'm super type A. And we are involved in people's personal lives in a very intimate way. So when we make a mistake, it's very present. It's not. It doesn't get swept under the.

Literally.

Literally. Yeah. The rug is ugly.

People know this.

The rug is the wrong size or you ordered it incorrectly. You know, it's just, what do I make it mean? And then I can look at it and say, that's not true. Right. We know that's not true. I know that's not true. And I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give a shout out to age. Being in my 50s.

It is kind of lovely, isn't it?

It's beautiful. I thought my 40s were pretty fabulous, you know, but as you know, I'm an empty nester. And your brain starts to consider things that didn't have the opportunity or I didn't allow it to have the opportunity to explore previously.

It's interesting you say that. I think if you. I think I would say that my 40s, I don't really remember them.

Now.

I have kids that are a little bit younger than you, so. Than yours. So that might be part of it. As I was still in like that, like. Right. Like people need baths and dinner and.

Right.

But yeah. So I feel like coming into. I'm 52, I feel like I'm sort of like, oh, oh, right. Like this is kind of cool. The clouds are. Or maybe the clouds are still there, but I'm up above them, which is super fun.

It is really about when people say, like, oh, I really don't care what other people you really. You're able to really delineate and filter that a lot quicker than previously.

Yeah. And that quickness. I was just talking to another client this morning, you know who, you know, there's a lot of women who don't trust their own knowing.

Agreed.

Right.

That's. I find that so common with women. And it's just, I feel like I want to get on a table and cheerlead them and just say, you can do it. I had a client say to me recently, she said, you walked into my house and you told me yes to everything. Everything that I was thinking at. It wasn't crazy. It was possible she started crying that I had no idea I could be validated in that way, in what I knew. I thought, wow.

Yeah. You know, really, really powerful to hear. And very, very true.

Yeah.

And I think that's a really what. So to hear you say, right. Like, it's easier now as I've. As I've gotten older, to know really if it's a yes or a no. And I think the other pieces that we were talking about, right, like not trusting people, not trusting ourselves, not feeling confident in ourselves, all those things cloud a wisdom that's always there. Right. I don't think you become more wise necessarily. I think you just get. It just gets more revealed to yourself that it's always been in you and.

You own it a little bit. Right. There's a lot less people pleasing. A lot less people pleasing. It's still there, but I can see it. Before, I couldn't see it, right? I didn't see it. I didn't know it. Why am I exhausted all the time? You know, I'm going burning out the candle at both ends.

Yeah, to what end? Yeah.

Yeah, to what end? What am I doing here? So, you know, I don't need to do this.

No, you don't. So just listen to Tara. Everybody do what she says. She's very smart.

I think I said that about you once.

Listen, I think we should tell each other we're very smart daily.

I'd be okay with that because I.

Believe you when you say it to me. I believe you wholeheartedly. So if I'm not believing it myself, I'll just let you tell me.

And you know what? Sometimes that's enough. And sometimes that's the nudge to get you through, because. And that is another thing that it's being around all these other women who are just like, yeah, you can do it. It's odd to meet other people who have that same mindset. I'm like, yeah, let's go. What's the problem? Let's go. Yeah, do this.

It's interesting. I just sent out an email to potential new clients, and I wrote this note, and I said in there, you know, some of the expectations I have for clients, which I don't do very often, but I hold space for it. And I said, you know, I like to invite women who want to pursue their possibilities and not fight for their limitations.

And somebody replied back and loved that line. And I do think there is some truth that there are environments for women to go into where that's all Everybody's doing is validating everybody's limitations on why things are hard, why things shouldn't be. Is that called funko?

I think that's.

I think it is called funko.

Or PTA meetings. I don't know.

No offense to the pta. It's the myth of busy, right? Yes, it's the myth of busy and the busier I am. That's where your value comes from, right? Of the values coming from the busyness. Yeah.

And the more tired I am and. Yeah.

Oh, so much going on.

I do.

That's. I'm exhausted just saying that.

I am, too. Let's stop.

It could be true, but I don't want to. I don't want to tell it to myself.

No, no. And it's not useful. So. Yeah. It's nice to be with other women who are like, listen to me.

Right, Right.

And I love all the evidence, too, that the thing that I loved about my work with women is all the things that people do to make money.

Yeah. I'm.

I. Right. We have somebody coming to a call, I think tomorrow. She owns a funeral home. I'm like, listen, people make money with funeral homes. I just love all of it. I love all the ways that people serve others and make money, because the more women that make money, the better the world will be.

I don't disagree with you.

Yeah. I think we just keep going on it. And of course, they need a beautiful home to come home to.

Well, that's like the building block, Right? Like, people don't even know all the benefits. I think that's just the. That's the. For your. Using your word. That's the magic of what I do.

Yes.

And I wanted to ask all these other layers to it.

Why design?

My. It's always been all my businesses have been creative.

I'm just a creative person. My mother was an interior designer.

My heart races. Like, I have a visceral reaction when I see certain fabrics.

I know I'm in the right job or career because I can see a sofa, and I might fall over and swim. It's amazing.

Yes.

Like, so good. Like, do you feel it? It's so good.

Beautiful things. Beautiful.

And just how that can make you feel and how that can support your life and how that can be a launching pad for everything else that you want to create in your life. Right. What kind of kitchen do I want to be in and have these family dinners and create these beautiful moments? Where do I want to gather? You know, where do I. When I go to bed at night, After a hard day at work, how is my bedroom supporting? You know, like, you should really love it because the exponential value that you'll receive from all that crazy.

Tim, let's talk about that, because I was just talking to my coach about this this morning, as my space is incredibly important to me, and you and I have had conversations about chairs.

I can't function. If I am unhappy in my space, I physically can't function. And yet I think there's a lot of people who don't. Who probably feel that way, but they don't think they're worthy.

Agree.

Beautiful. A beautiful space. So how. You know, I mean, you work with people who have lovely, beautiful home budgets, Right. And then there's other people who are just getting started or whatever.

Right.

Like, what are some things that we can keep in mind to pay attention to the energy of a space and give ourselves some permission?

I think it's paying attention to how you feel, Right. Like, you don't even realize. I. First, it's clutter, right? Edit out the clutter. It's editing. It's all. It's the visual weight of things, like a to do list. Or if your drop zone is right where you walk in or where you're having your family dinner, all you can see is all the things that have to be done. Right.

If you lay in bed, but you can see your home office across the hall. That's not good.

Right.

It's just all the little pieces of paper. It kind of comes back to systems. Right. And I've never been a big organizational girl. Like, I'm a little bit more peace and love and flow.

Yeah.

The systems that I've put into my business, I'm kind of talking about the same thing for your house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I have a personal assistant who comes to the house a few days a week, and she's been so great because she. Her job is to support my house. Not the house my children or my husband live in, but I live in.

Right.

And so I have, like, things that I. And I walk across the house from my bedroom, then to the kitchen, and then to my office. My office is at the front of the house. And you know what I told her when she started working with me is I'm like, I just want my pathway to be beautiful.

Right.

And. But what she's done is she is. She does have an organizational expertise. And so she's, like, figured out where everything goes in the pantry and everything goes in the drawers. And, like, this is where the plastic spoons go this is where the wooden spoons go. You know, just here's where the towels.

Everything has a place.

Yeah. And that's the same metaphor. I love that you sort of made a parallel to a business.

Yeah.

Because it's, you know, it's like what I like to say is once you've built the job description and the interview questions and the job posting for a role, now it's there, whether it's in your Dropbox folder or it's a folder that you have in a cabinet. And now you just pull it out when you need it. It's like it's done and you know.

Where to find it and you know what to do. And you know what? If anybody else needed it, they would know where to go and where to find it.

Exactly.

And there's a piece to that. And there's a calm in your head.

Yeah.

And I think. I think life is so crazy now, you know, with social media and input and, you know, your phone going off every 20 seconds and people texting you and thinking that you should get back to them in 10 minutes and, you know, stuff like that.

It's when you can create those moments of peace and quiet where you can just kind of get back to who you are. So powerful.

So powerful.

And it's the first thing to go out the door right when we get busy.

Yeah.

Any sort of self care, any sort of taking care of yourself, your home, your surroundings, vacation.

I love about what you said and I hope people are hearing, is that investing in your home and in your aesthetic and in the energy of your home is such a form of self care.

Absolutely.

And it's not indulgent. It's not selfish, it's not an expense. Right. It really is an investment.

We need to paint our house.

That is the last $6,000 I want to spend. Can I just be honest with you?

Paint has superpowers.

Right.

You could be so excited because paint is the least expensive way to get the biggest bang for your buck.

I know, but I don't want. I don't want to spend $6,000 on the painting of my house.

But here's what I do want to feel good.

I want a beautifully painted house.

That's right. Every time you drive up, it's going to feel good.

Exactly. So we have to think, right, like, there are certain things that we think about investing in in our home. And it feels like. But the beauty of that investment and then the recurring validation and energy currency that you're getting from it is so good.

So it's Ease.

Right.

Like I'll never forget when I first met you. I was asking, what's the. You know, I don't get the point. What's the point? What's the deliverable? What's the payoff? You said ease. And it's so interesting because in my brain, I feel like it's the same way. It's an ease of how we go through our day, how we met, manage our life, how we walk through this life. And we do it with intention. Right. I intended. I. I intended this room to be this way because this is how we live. This is how my family lives, supports who we are as a family. It tells our story. We have a history. We've walked a path. We have a history. It shouldn't look like a designer was there. It should look like it's you. It should look like it's your house. Right?

Yeah.

And then you can continue to build on that, to create this life that you want. If, you know, everybody has different goals for their life and how they want to spend their time and what they want to do. And I don't assume that everybody's in the same place at the same time, but for those who are and are willing, the payoffs really, I think, is pretty big.

Yeah. I just like that it's that we're giving it attention because I think we often overlooked it. And the one thing that I know was true. Right. Is during COVID with everybody in there trapped in their houses. Right. That was like, oh, my gosh, if I have to look at this ugly wall.

Yeah, yeah.

Right. So that really, really became pretty powerful time for a lot of people right now. We can't. None of us can buy cabinets because.

Everybody'S stay in my happy place. We're not going to talk about that.

Okay.

We're not going to do that.

We're talking about how long it takes to get a sub zero fridge.

No, we're not. I think it takes 11 months, if I correct.

That's why if we buy houses, we buy them with the fridge.

That's right. Yes.

And the washer dryer. Okay, so we have time for a couple other questions. So I'm kind of curious. I don't think I've asked you this in a while. What is the big goal? What's kind of the next thing you want to do in your business? What do you. What. It doesn't have to be like a this much money or whatever. It's more like what's kind of what's calling you for your attention right now.

Isn't it funny? The first thing that came into my head when I said that is to go out with a bang.

I do still have all the money goals. I do want to multiple seven figures. I do want to do that. But I also want to work three days a week. I want to find that sweet spot where I live this beautiful life. That's exactly the way I want it to be. Right. That's really the big goal. I'm still not to that place where I stop working at 5 o'. Clock. I would love to say that I'm that disciplined and I'm there. I'm not.

Well, 5 o' clock is an arbitrary time that bankers created.

But the point is that I work very long hours. Yeah. And I work. I work long days. But I love what I do. Right. I get a lot out of it. But I would also like. I'm ready to get back out there. We've been locked down for a couple years. I'm ready to have my life back and travel and get inspired and go places and see people and go touch textiles. Yes, yes, absolutely. Go eat great food. Go do it all. This will be the last iteration of my business because I say that now. And when I'm 65, I'll probably go, oh, I think I'll do this. But I don't want to have any regrets. So I'm very much in the mindset, if I want to do it, I'm just going to do it.

Oh, I love that.

I'm not going to think about it. I'm not going to talk about it. I'm just going to do it.

I love it.

Because what do you have to lose? Just a little.

And I'm not. Yeah, I'm not going to worry. I'm not going to ask for permission. I've never been one to ask for permission, but I'm not going to be as cautious. You know, I'm not, not going to be foolish. But I. I'm kind of looking at things through a little bit of a different lens. Like what? I just don't want to have any regrets.

Yeah.

If I want to do something and if I want to go somewhere and if I want to have a voice about a certain.

Topic or idea, let's.

Go, let's do it. Let's talk about it.

And I want to just talk about people who are. And be around people who are as excited about what they do as well.

Yeah, I agree.

That's a big thing. Like a lot of people. And there's a luck. It's hard. It's been a rough couple of years, but a lot of people are feeling heavy.

Right.

Bogged down. I'm ready to get a little happy back.

Well, that's a commitment first on your own. Right. Like, the heaviness is. Is. Is simply because we. I think it's just decision fatigue and thinking fatigue. The circumstances aren't creating it. It's the way that we've had to negotiate a lot of these decisions that we're way more aware of than we've ever been before. Like. Right. Like, I remember my son kept asking me if he could go hang out with a friend. And you know, like October 2020. And I'm like, I feel like you're asking me a life and death decision right now. Like, I don't know how. I don't know the right answer. And it feels overwhelming to answer it. Like, I don't know. So anyway, I do think we're coming out of that and we're all sort of identifying a relationship we have with the circumstances of the world that we're in that's different than it was and we've all had.

Do you think we're identifying, like, changes we want to make and who we want to be? I don't know if I'm seeing that as much, you know, and that's. But that's the path I want to be on.

Yeah. No, I think. I think there are. There are a lot of little tracks. Right. There's exactly what you're saying, which is, let's go. Right. And the energy of that. And then there's other people who are a little swirly still confused, overwhelmed, can't figure it out. In the world of leadership and managing businesses. Right. A lot of people are still very, very committed to. It's hard to hire good people. That kind of thought process, which for as long as you think.

Will continue to be true, you know, that's hard to help people understand, but it's. It is. It has been my experience that that is the truth. So I just don't want to blame.

Anything about my business on whether or not I was able to find good people or have the right employees.

There's good people everywhere. There's very talented people everywhere. And it. I just was talking to somebody else today. I'm like, this is just a marketing problem. You just have to pick that hook up and put it in another pond. Like you're. We're not. This isn't like, there's nobody. Right. There's 7 billion people on the planet. We can Find someone. But you have to be relentless with your eagerness to attract great people as you are with finding clients or whatever. Right.

Whatever it is we do.

Okay, so one last question. What's kind of your big thing?

What kind of. When you talk to other women who run companies and you could give them a little bit of sage leadership advice, what would you say?

I have, like, six things that come into my head. It doesn't have to be like everybody else, Right. Enough with the fomo, enough with the social media. Your path doesn't have to look like anyone else's path. You can do it differently. It'll still be successful. You don't have to wait till it's perfect. All of this perfectionism and trying to get it right, and I can't start till it's. Just go.

Yeah, do it.

It's funny, when I look back on my businesses, I never gave it much thought. I just went. I just went, go, go, go. And now that I have time to sit and think, I had to catch myself because I felt myself being a little bit more cautious and analyzing a little bit more. And. Oh, wait a minute. Is that right? Like, look at. Look at so and so over here and how they're running their business and how. Oh, wait, I heard this person speak. And what they're doing, it's like, no, shut it down. It's leaning in to what I know, right? Who I am, what I know, how I show up, how I want to show up, who I want to be. And I would say that when I do meet other women business owners, I have a friend right now whose business isn't at the place that she would like it to be. I'm like, just. You know what? It's a decision. It's a choice. Nothing. The only thing that's holding you back are your thoughts about whether or not you can do it.

Yeah. So well said. You know what the word is that I'm thinking about when I'm listening to you? I don't know if you'll like it.

Okay, a little irreverence.

Emily. Yeah.

I don't like it for you.

I am a little. I'm a little irreverent. I'm a little snarky.

No, I don't. No, I don't think so at all.

Listen, I'm gonna do what I want.

Well, I kind of have to be in what I do. Right. Because I'm not with what I do. You're not for everybody. No.

You'Re for everybody. Your home goods.

Yeah.

And listen, somebody Wants to be like.

And somebody does want to be for everybody. I just don't. So it's taken some time to really sit in those shoes and go, listen, you're with me or you're not with me. Yeah. And if you're with me, it's ride or die. I've got your back. Let's go.

Let's go. Go. Oh, my God. That's so fun. Okay.

It's so good to have you today and chat with you.

I adore you.

I know.

I'm excited. And I get to see.

And I didn't take one note.

See how you are.

Well, I did take one note a bit that I'm. You said I was irreverent.

Yeah. You might want to play with that.

I think that's super fun. We'll follow up on that one in a couple weeks.

In a couple weeks. By the seashore.

That sounds great.

Awesome. All right. Thank you so much for being here. Oh, and where can people find you again? Remind them.

Tara Fuss Design. It's F U S as in Sam, T as in Tom. I'm on Instagram and on the web, and I would love it if people would just say hello. It's so funny when you meet somebody and they're like, I follow you. I love your stuff. I love your aesthetic. I'm like, just say hi. I'd love to hear from you.

I know, actually. And Tara posts. Beautiful, beautiful work. Her work is just like. I'm like, oh, my God, where is that chair? And what was the way. Right. You had chandeliers one day that I was.

Yes, I did. Yeah.

Okay, listen to me. They're probably $12,000.

Do you see that feeling that you have?

Oh, yes.

That's what I'm shooting for.

I love this feeling. I love.

It's a good feeling. It's a little euphoric, I'm gonna say.

I don't know why, but I'm right there with you. And I love a good fabric store. Like, really beautiful fabrics.

Yeah.

Okay. Well, you have a wonderful day, and awesome.

Thank you so much. I appreciate.