Heather Dominick, Founder of the Highly Sensitive Entrepreneur Movement | Ep #44

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Hello everyone and welcome to the podcast today i'm chris blackie.

I'M so glad you're here today is the final podcast of twenty nineteen holy.

Smokes how did we get here what a year it's been and i'm excited to cap it off with the final interview that i did in twenty nineteen also which is with heather dominic she is the creator of business miracles dot com and the founder and leader of the highly sensitive entrepreneurs movement and while i could embellish a lot of that here in the intro i really just want to share a couple of things and then let the podcast and the conversation she and i had really speak for itself i heard heather on ali brown's glambition radio podcast a while ago and then her organization reached out to us to invite her to come on my podcast and i was really excited about sort of the synchronicity kismet ness of that because when i heard heather on her podcast on ally's podcast i i kind of felt like i was being introduced to a color that i had always known existed but i didn't know what it was and personally i would tell you that you know for years and years i've described myself probably as sensitive and empathic i've always believed and known that i can sort of sense and feel other people's feelings and have taken a lot of responsibility for other people's feelings as a result which when i was a brand new manager was incredibly hard i didn't know how to have personal energetic and real boundaries and so i was just plagued all the time with believing i was doing it wrong and hurting people and and so i really did struggle for years and i know so many people do and so when she introduced the concept of the highly sensitive entrepreneur which actually introduced the whole concept of the highly sensitive person i sort of was like oh my gosh this is a thing and it actually was then very helpful for even members of my family who i would say also sort of fall into this sensitive space and how that has positive and challenging implications so i wanted to bring her message to you because i think a lot of the women who are interested in my work and even the men frankly i know there's i know there's guys out there listening.

I i think you're attracted to what i do in many cases because you struggle with how to wear your leadership role and your management role in a way that aligns with who you feel like you are on the inside and so i'm i'm looking forward to sharing heather's work with you and her thoughts there's so many powerful insights here.

That i know will be useful to you as you plan and think about what you want to do in the coming year so without further ado let's kick it off and chat with heather.

Okay heather well i'm so glad that you are spending some time with me today and sharing your wonderful wisdom with our listeners so before we get into a whole lot i would love for them just to hear a little bit about you from you so why don't you let us know who you are and why you do what you do and how you got there all that.

Fun stuff yes sure so happy to and so happy to be here and so happy to be talking to you chris and always you know just such a joy to be sharing the message of what it means to be a highly sensitive entrepreneur for those who need it so always about how to tell your own story in the most attractive sound bite as possible get it down.

To a sense.

So i think probably what's most important for our conversation today is that i myself am a highly sensitive entrepreneur i've been self employed for fifteen years before being self employed i was actually a high school drama teacher so i knew nothing about being self employed and also at that time i did not know that i was highly sensitive.

And so i stepped into my business my first business as nutrition and wellness coach with just a great big dose of ignorance and a great big dose of enthusiasm and also a dose of coming off of living through nine eleven just about a mile from ground zero or a real dose of now or never wow and you know that really propelled me probably into like the first five years but when i brought my business across the million dollar mark for the first time i really have to say it was not an enjoyable experience it was not celebratory there were not streamers coming down from the sky times square was not all a fire about what i had done and created.

It didn't all of a sudden just get really easy and no instead i.

Actually felt really really tired.

And super.

Super overwhelmed it's more like you're crawling over right like where's the last five dollars to make the million yeah it.

Was just you know it was a real eye opening moment because in addition to being tired and overwhelmed i also had my lowest net that year and if there's anything that's going to get my attention that was for sure in addition to like my low physical.

Sense of peace and vitality and so i really went into a dark night of the soul and i really started questioning everything that i was doing and like if this is what it takes to be successful and self employed i'm not so sure i want this but if it's not this then what and it was really you know one of those deep inquiry times and it was that time that actually i was led to doctor elaine aaron who is the founding researcher of what it means to be a highly sensitive person i had never heard the term before at that time but when i heard it and understood what it meant it didn't surprise me so much that i was highly sensitive but what surprised me was how highly sensitive i was and because i've always been a believer and teacher in the foundational principle that your ideal client is a version of you i took one of doctor aaron's assessments into a team excuse me a group of twenty five women entrepreneurs that i was working with at the time had them all take the assessment no surprise they were all highly sensitive but what was surprising there is not one woman wanted to be.

And so that really was the big eye opener and awakener and i thought to myself okay this is really really important we're all very very talented all very high purposeful driven women and if we're going to succeed in business for the long term then we have to be willing to approach what it means to be in business differently in a way that honors who we are rather than works against us and that was really the beginning of the highly sensitive entrepreneur movement and since then i've really just really delved into an extensive amount of continued research and development of my own teaching and tools that expands upon doctor elaine aaron with a real commitment to serving all the hses in the business miracles community and beyond almost ten years now and here we are here.

We are it's so good so why don't you for the listeners who don't really know what that means highly sensitive entrepreneur what are some of the most common or key characteristics that you would shout out that could make people go.

Oh sure absolutely well first i think is just to really describe what that phrase highly sensitive means per doctor aaron's work so first of all this is something that is biological and it basically means that your nervous system is is wired differently than someone who is not highly sensitive and it's wired differently in the way that your nervous system interprets input at a much higher level than someone again who is not highly sensitive and that input can be in all of the primary senses sight smell sound et cetera also in regards to information and also in regards to energy and so you know one of the things that i always like to say is that you know this is not something that your parents did to you and you didn't pick it up on the playground in elementary school and it's not because that weird drink you had in college or anything else is literally how you were brought into this world and that can either work against you or for you now where my work comes in is when a highly sensitive person decides to be self employed and to be an entrepreneur and so i have identified what i refer to as twelve top hse shadows and twelve top hse strengths so i'll speak to just a few of those yeah that's great yeah when you don't understand how to have your nervous system working for you it's really going to show up in the shadow tendency so the top hse shadows is overwhelm so as a highly sensitive we definitely have the tendency to get overwhelmed that much more easily and that much more quickly than someone who isn't it might just even be overwhelmed from you know loud noise you know on the street out in the world at a party at a concert or it could be overwhelmed from the amount of information that's coming to you or the way that information is being delivered or if there's you know multiple tasks that need to be addressed and taken care of at one time there's also the hse shadows of over responsibility so this is when your nervous system is working against you you can really easily interpret energetically what others need when you're in your shadow you believe just because you can interpret what someone needs without them telling you that it's your responsibility to take care of it for that person and i'll speak to just one more which is the hse shadow of over protection this really comes from as doctor elaine aaron says that most highly sensitives aren't even so much afraid of being overwhelmed they're afraid of even the possibility of maybe being overwhelmed when you're in the hse shadow of overprotection you are going above and beyond to try to protect yourself from being overwhelmed or even being found out as highly sensitive or even just being seen as different so hopefully you know as folks are listening you can probably get a sense that when you're operating from those shadows in your business that will make things very very difficult massively challenging and if you want i can speak to the flip side in terms of the hse strengths or we can come to that later you just let me know well i.

Think what i love about there's so you know i think i told you before we started this podcast like i heard your interview with ali brown a few it was probably at least a.

Year ago now yeah more than that.

I think and i was listening to you like oh my gosh that's me because i felt so heard just as you share these three shadows and i.

Think about the clients i work with.

Who are you know at that point where their business has reached the scaling level where they have to add bodies to the team right in order to be able to deliver more to their clients whatever that is that they do these three are so common and maybe not everybody's an hse right but but just the notion of overwhelm over responsibility and overprotection i can see that in so many of the women that i coach and you know i believe and work off of what i call the thought model which is that the feelings that you feel trigger the behaviors that you take right so if i'm feeling overwhelmed which is what a lot of my clients feel that triggers my behavior and in most cases it triggers total of avoidance right of the thing whatever it is that we think it is that we're overwhelmed by in some cases it can be our business or in some cases it's our employees right and just this week i've been coaching several women on what i would call over responsibility which is i can read i can tell my employees are unhappy i can tell that they're really struggling and they assume all this responsibility not just for their work but for the employees emotional state right which which of course is a zero sum game i can't assume responsibility for somebody else's emotions right otherwise i'm.

It'S hard enough just to assume responsibility for my own let alone somebody else so i'm sure there's going.

To be a lot of people listening.

To you who are you know saying yes yeah yeah i get that i get that so let's talk about some of the strengths let's talk about that.

Too yeah i think the one thing that i'll say just to piggyback off of what you shared before we go into the strengths is that absolutely anyone whether they're highly sensitive or not can absolutely experience you know elements of these shadows that i just described however what's really important just to recognize when you are an hse is that most likely you're experiencing those shadows at a much deeper deeper level than someone who is not and because of that just the intellectual only understanding of how these shadows operate isn't really enough to actualize the change and part of that is because so many of us who are highly sensitive we spent most of our lives not knowing that we were so we developed what i refer to as coping mechanisms and i've identified three hse coping mechanisms which contribute to what i've also created and identify as the hse coping cycle and so that can be difficult to untangle because coping with these shadows has gotten you to where you are there's a real sense of quote unquote safety when you're coping and those coping mechanisms just quickly are you tend to either push you're a pusher or you tend to hide you're a hider or you tend to be what i refer to as a combo platter where you flip flop back and forth between you which i also like to say is the hse definition of insanity because literally drive yourself crazy so the process of really untangling yourself from the coping mechanism is so so imperative when it comes to those shadows and when you do then it really gives you access to creating which is the other side of the coping coin and i wanted to speak to that one because that is really where we are meant to be as entrepreneurs and again coping will get you so far but it won't absolutely bring you to that scalable place that you were speaking of before so i think it's helpful to have that info before we start looking at what the strengths are right well and what i.

Gonna ask you like because a coping mechanism is a very unconscious practice right like so if if i've always been this way if i've always felt overwhelmed by my environment or by the fact that i can always know what people are feeling right in the room or i have to figure out how to manage that right so that so there's this unconsciousness to coping which i love about what you're saying and then i i'm curious where shame fits in here because it seems to me right like if cause i know for me i totally identifying as an hse and i did as soon as i took your.

Quiz.

I realized i always just thought there was something wrong with me like why can i not be.

More like them whoever they are right and really internalizing even which compounds it absolutely it's.

So true and most of us as hses have that exact experience you know i heard those words that you just said one time i've heard them more times than i can even possibly count there is this secret that each hse is carrying around and has been carrying for a long time there's something wrong with me there's a reason why i can't operate like i refer to them as the other eighty percent because doctor aaron's research shows that there's twenty percent of us in the world who are born highly sensitive why can't i operate like the other eighty percent and so that is where right there from that initial thought whenever it landed four years old fourteen years old what have you right from that thought is where the coping mechanism then began to drive yeah i can at least survive in this world but of course both you and i know and anyone who's listening is that as an entrepreneur you must learn how to go beyond survive and into.

Thrive absolutely and you know let me ask you one more question before we move into strengths because my guess again this is my hypothesis is that this is why so many women who do get to a point like you right you hit the million dollar you want to grow the business but you're exhausted you're going through any number of the shadows that you talk about and then the idea of hiring people and having to quote unquote manage them right is paralyzing right because it's like i can't even i can hardly manage what's happening here myself i don't want to be responsible for other people i don't want to take on other people's energy i don't want to have to tell people they're not doing a good job good job like that's mortifying right now more.

People that i'm gonna have to hide from on a daily basis why would.

I do that on purpose yeah not.

Found out yeah like this weird freak.

Yeah and it to me i think it probably comes out like i just.

Wrote an article today that says i.

Just don't want to manage anybody yeah.

I'M just not good at it right.

Right right and that's just an easy way to sort of dismiss yeah justify.

Why i don't scale yes so shame really is a big part of it i love that you brought that up because i lead two in person training retreats a year and i'm getting ready for one of them and that focus for this training retreat coming up is on what's referred to as shame shields which comes out of a study from the stone institute at wellesley college.

And how to be able to shift those shame shields so that you can move into open financial flow so i'm really excited yeah that sounds fascinating right dive into that material and support and provide that teaching for in attendance so good so when you are able to start to disentangle your hse coping mechanism and begin to recognize when you are in the coping cycle and as i said you're able to begin to shift from coping into creating and a big part of that is to be able to access your hse strengths so the same way that i just talked to three of the twelve of the shadows i'll just talk to three of the strengths of the twelve and i would say probably the first strength is intuition.

And that when we are able to again disentangle from coping we're able to step away from the fear which includes fear of being found out fear of being found out as a fraud then that gives you access to one just more physical energy and two to really one of our primary hse strengths which is intuition which is an awesome strength to be able to access and intentionally utilize in your business whether that be in marketing selling operations service you name it two of the other top strengths that we possess as highly sensitive entrepreneurs is we definitely have the top strength of empathy and so when that's really working for you as a strength rather than a shadow that you can really easily be able to put yourself in another's shoes and then therefore really effectively be able to see speak to them and again very very effective when it comes to marketing to your ideal client to selling to your ideal client also really effective when it comes to operating including with team yeah leading.

Absolutely and there's also the hse strength of deep listening and i would tag onto that as we have the ability to deeply listen we also have the ability to deeply feel and deeply think that deep listening is mass imperative to really be able to make a connection with those that you are here to serve to be able to what i like to refer to as hear between the lines so sometimes you when you're really working from the hse strength will most likely receive the feedback of oh my gosh someone will say to you how did you realize that's what i was thinking because they don't realize that they actually said it because you were able to hear more deeply beyond the surface words that they delivered verbally these are massive massive strengths and massively available to support you and really really be absolutely used as superpowers however again the key is is that those strengths are barely accessible when you're operating from the shadows and when you're caught in the coping cycle and in your coping mechanism well i would.

Imagine that even though it's again i can i'll just use myself as an example.

If i'm experiencing overwhelm or over responsibility just to use your two shadows i dismiss intuition right like i don't trust it that's what i'm imagining happens right so even if i i'm all in i get that i'm very intuitive but if i'm in overwhelm then i got no compass because i actually use intuition as a compass until i can't.

Right right i don't trust myself great.

Point i've seen a lot of women who i coach you know when you when you can clear the path for them it's like everything is so obvious there's it's all so clear to them but if they're shrouded in you know in overwhelm or they're or they're shirking like they're completely avoiding everything they can't tap into it yes absolutely love all of that it's such great you know what i love about your work is and i should say you also have a facebook page right business.

Tell me what it is i'm all over i.

Just had a minute yeah that's okay so we have a facebook business page which is business and we also have a private group free facebook group for highly sensitive entrepreneurs okay yeah so if.

I go to the business miracles page i will find the private group info right okay good.

The reason i'm saying that is i think for anyone who's listening it's just a great place to go and kind of see what other people are talking about and experiencing right and you can kind of know that it's just always nice when you find a tribe of people you're like oh there's other people like me absolutely yeah.

I appreciate that you spoke to that because that's actually one of the three key elements that i've identified that's really important for hses to succeed and that is the element of community and as hses are just as highly sensitive it's interesting because we tend to shy away from community right it's like oh community that's going to be super overwhelming there's going to be a lot of people.

There you're going to have to participate.

Yeah.

And i will say that you know especially even on the facebook group versus other facebook groups it's often quiet because there's lots of watching happening that's fine but within the business miracles community and the business miracles mentoring programs the community is so so effective one because it's aligned and when you're in aligned community with others who really get you and support you for who you are there's an acceleration that happens and definite i've seen especially for hses because we're so used to being the odd one out that suddenly when we're not it's like this wealth of energy becomes available to us through that that also really plugs into one of our additional hse strengths which is the ability to learn without realizing we're learning and so when you clear those shadows out of the way then again there's this openness where you're able to really take in what others in the community are experiencing what they're learning and it's like others are doing the lessons for you right really shortens the learning curve which i think.

Is massively powerful that's wonderful yeah i love that yeah that's part of even with the coach some of the i have a coaching group for women who are working on their human capital part of their business right but we have similar experience where you know you don't even have to be getting any of the coaching but if you're if because there's such alignment in the unique challenges that we face it's like just getting the cliff notes and then you're able to you know in my experience women who lead successful businesses are wicked smart and crazy have a crazy ability of integrating and making things happen very quickly once they have what they need to make it happen right i would agree.

For sure so i want to talk.

About you a little bit and what you've learned as an hse who also is leading a multimillion dollar successful business with a team right so what have you learned.

What would you say are the key practices you have in place then as a leader to help you lead and also stay integrity with who.

You are yeah absolutely such an important point so i would say first and foremost it's so so important to know yourself as a highly sensitive entrepreneur and the and is really important here to fully embrace it so to really put down the fight and that is releasing those coping mechanisms so that really requires an immense amount of due diligence and commitment to what i refer to as the real work where the work must go beyond the intellect and you must be be willing to engage consistently in untangling those coping mechanisms that have been built up over years and years and years so to know yourself and to embrace it i want to pause you.

Just for a second because you just said something that i loved and you said the work must go beyond the intellect absolutely and for anybody listening to this i just want you to take a minute because because this i know i talk about this i tell myself this and i tell my clients this like don't just read the book do the book right don't just listen to the podcast do the podcast as we consuming knowledge and then not doing anything with it is wasteful yes and so and i realized that there are different phases and seasons of our lives as entrepreneurs right there's when we're just grinding and hustling to get something off the ground which we all have to go through that i don't care who you are and then as we evolved i always think about it as sort of like the entrepreneurs abraham maslow's hierarchy of the bottom line the base and then we keep moving up but then as we grow i also think we have to have discipline about what we give attention to and what we feed ourselves and then because if we if we try and over consume learning we don't take action at all we don't integrate so i just love that you said that because i think it's a common thing i notice is a lot of people who run their own businesses are consumers of content.

And aren't really appliers of essential insights like it doesn't take much right it's just like we said i could hear you coach one person i heard you on a podcast and it was like an immediate light for me like oh and so then i dug deep into that one space and.

It was so powerful for me yeah yes for sure so good yeah absolutely i appreciate that you highlighted that and it's the reason why you know i've designed all of the business miracles mentoring programs in the way that i have so for example the training retreat that i was speaking to earlier the only hses that are allowed you know in the room at one of the two training retreats i lead a year are hses who are already in a business miracles mentoring program not only is the work that we do at those training retreats experiential it is not only information based it is experiential and you know that you have a container to continue into post that in depth in person time together for exactly this reason because again it's a process to really know yourself and it's absolutely a process to embrace who you really discover as i like to refer to is your hse essential self and then the other element that i'll add is it takes a whole bunch of courage because most likely there's a whole bunch of people in your life who are really dependent on.

You staying in your shadows absolutely.

And employees right especially when i start working with women and not necessarily from an hse perspective but just some of the women who the woman i was just recently talking to she has an entire business of people who are so emotionally dependent on her and so we're setting up you know structures and accountability and things that she's never had in place before and they're freaking out right these employees are like what are you doing you're supposed to indulge all of my.

Nonsense right you're supposed to be my mother yeah anymore here right but yeah.

It'S like she's feeling all this friction.

And they're feeling all this friction some people have quit yes yes so that.

Makes sense absolutely very painful okay what.

Else you got for leading yeah so from there the knowing and embracing who you are then i would say the next point is to really be able to what i refer to as own your no so that you can own your yes love it and that really has a lot to do with learning how to set boundaries and part of those boundaries is about who and who is not allowed onto your team.

And.

Based on who is or who is not allowed onto your team is also with clear clear clear clear deep knowing about what you need in regards to what you're not meant to be doing and that's pretty common when it comes to entrepreneurialship however it is really different when it is an hse because how it is that you are meant to for example structure your day is going to most likely look one thousand percent different than any stereotypical entrepreneurial training or book that you are going to read out there and you have to really be willing to again claim that to set boundaries around it and to have others on the team who really join you in that approach and they thrive as well by a clear understanding what is and is not expected and accepted in regards to your structure of your business in regards to what's needed for you as a highly sensitive entrepreneur love.

It yeah that's always a key tenet that i start every client off with is expectations and we tend to think about what we want from other people absolutely right and i also talk about something i call an employee niche you know who are the people that really really align with the kind of business that you want to be running not just from a skills perspective but how people vibe in your company and how you're consciously creating culture versus just attracting talent.

And i love that you said own your no so you can own your yes because i tell my entrepreneurs because all of them are visionaries you should be saying no more than yourself frankly it should actually come out of your mouth more frequently than the other and the last piece that i love about what you talked about is even how people run their schedules i have several clients who feel compelled right to be at work business hours right because their employees are there.

But they really would rather i want to go to yoga i want to do this i want it right and they know they can be and i actually kind of like working from nine to eleven in the evening because that's when i can think or whatever right they all have their own but they feel this tremendous sense of guilt because they're not present when their team is present and so whether they're an hsc or not i think what i love about what you said is this is your business you actually get to design it to be exactly how you want it to be and let's do it without feeling guilty about how you choose to spend your day versus how other people might need to get to spend their day to.

Get the work done also absolutely but again that's really where that deep inner work comes in i said the willingness to step into doing the real work and to be taking a courageous act and i know that risks are talked about a lot in the entrepreneurial world and hses usually tend to like draw back from that because they're like ooh risk but risk for an hse tends to look and feel very different than risk for non hse so for example risk as an hse in connection to what we're talking about it's the risk of letting go of another hse shadow which is people pleasing let go of that shadow and to truly deeply believe that this company this business will run that much more effectively without me operating as a people pleaser and with my choosing to have others on my team who are very self efficient who really own their own role and who simultaneously can take direction and whether i'm there you know using the example that you're giving or not and you're not gonna find a lot of other businesses to look at to see oh that's how so and so is doing it because again you are of the twenty percent so the majority of businesses are being run by the eighty percent and that is not you so you are going to need to be willing to do it differently and i would say that would be really the third element that i would speak to in regards to leading so again the first really know yourself embrace yourself as an hse two own your no so you can own your yes and three be willing to do it differently that's your element of risk and that doesn't mean sinking thousands of dollars into a gamble again as an eighty percenter might do but it literally might just mean to be willing to say as i do that my schedule i don't talk to anyone whether it be on a podcast or a client or what have you i don't talk to any before noon that i'm not working but i'm not talking.

The training recruits that i've already spoken to once we don't start until ten yep so there's all different ways that i have realized in terms of what i need to be able to operate at my best to be able to be of best service to those that i serve and it is absolutely going to look different than the business next door.

I love that you're giving this value and validity because you know i say to my clients all the time they'll ask me well is it okay if i you know whatever they say like it's your business i think it's your name on the door here's what i know you can design it to be whatever you want right the key is whatever you decide then you have to be very clear about your expectations and then you have to be very clear about your boundaries like that's the other side of it right we can't just wish for something not tell anybody and hope that they all just know don't talk to me till noon for sure.

Because what part of that is that i also teach to is what i refer to as the difficult conversation to be willing to have difficult conversations now if you haven't really again done the work to know yourself as an hse and to be operating from your strengths and even the idea of a difficult conversation is enough to just you know have you just back under the covers right totally because you're going to have to face your tendency to go into over responsibility you're going to have to face your tendency to go into overprotection or face the possibility of being overwhelmed by emotion as part of and not pleasing someone right and the more you step into it and the more that you step into it with someone support around you as you do then the more that muscle builds and then the happier you are the greater sense of peace you have definitely more productive and prosperous but ultimately what i really see is that for those of us who are highly sensitive who have chosen to be entrepreneurs what i like to say is that our businesses are our portal for healing so every highly sensitive is absolutely on a path of healing as doctor elaine aaron says our shared purpose as highly sensitives on this planet is to experience liberation what she's really speaking to is liberation from the own shackles that we have created for ourselves out of shame out of guilt out of fear of being found out to be free to just be who we are unapologetically that requires process and if you're in business your business will give you every single.

Every single lesson you need.

To be you don't like difficult conversations.

Here you go right you've been avoiding.

Them your whole life with everybody in your family here you go here's four employees that you're gonna have to deal.

With that right yeah exactly but i can honestly say like this is my experience and i just feel so grateful and so privileged to work the way that i work to live the way that i live and.

I am on my knees grateful every single day and i have worked for it and i continue to work for it again not in the eighty center way but in the way to be willing to continue to show up to the healing that my business is here to provide for.

Me so good i think it's you know what i love there's so much about what you've said that i love and i think at the heart of what you're saying whether someone's an hse or not it applies which is in order to have a business that you love and that you can relish in and experience with joy you have to do your own work right it's what i say in the very beginning of this podcast which is in order to grow the business you have to grow the woman who's running it right like you have to do this work and so you've been such you're an incredible model for that because you have taken all your own tools and integrated them and built this beautiful business that now of course is supporting and feeding and nurturing so many other women like you so it's very inspiring i'm so glad you joined me today and you gave us all a little window into a world that i'm sure there will be listeners who didn't even know existed and they're going to be jumping for joy so where should people go when they're done listening to this podcast to get to know more about you yeah for.

Sure and to do the podcast right.

Do the podcast yes perfectly said yes.

So i would recommend that if as you've been listening you're having any kind of sense of inkling like oh my gosh this might be me or even this might be someone on my team i would recognize recommend that you go to hsequiz dot com and what you'll find there is an assessment it's really more of an assessment than a quiz and at the end of the assessment you will be clear if you are a somewhat hse or a super hse or if you're like me you're a super uber hse and then depending on where you fall in the spectrum you'll receive a free hse success guide that is tailored to somewhat super or super uber that will guide you and support you with how to begin to work with this element about yourself so that it is supporting you in your business.

Wonderful it's a great tool i went through it when i listened to you on the first podcast so i can't emphasize enough how much great insight you're going to get about yourself so please take some time to do that and thank you again heather so much for joining me today and sharing everything it's been such a pleasure to chat with.

You thank you chris i loved our conversation i feel like i can keep.

Talking to you i know i was looking at the time i'm like oh we got to go.

We could talk for a couple more hours thanks a.

Lot thank you.

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