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Hi.

Hi. So glad to have you on the Sex with Emily show today.

I'm glad to be here in the studio with you as well.

It is amazing. Okay, so tell me, how did you. How'd you get into this?

Diz, that is a very good question. So I was born out of my mother's womb with game. I just came out and knew what to say. So I was like, I need to share this gift with the world. That's entirely false. I actually. Actually, it's the exact opposite, what happened here. I was actually a virgin until I was 20 years old.

Wow.

Which is fairly late. Like, for most people. It's not, like, incredibly late. I'm not like Steve Carell on that movie.

Right.

But all my friends lost their virginity when they were teenagers. And I was a basketball player. All I did was play basketball every sing. I ended up playing college basketball. I was literally a college athlete who wasn't getting laid.

It's your face right now. I didn't know that exists. Shocking concept. So that's why you become a college athlete just so you can get laid. Right.

For the girls. I was weird. I actually became a college athlete because I liked the sport. Really Totally backwards, right?

Yeah.

But the reason was because I was so obsessed with basketball that freshman, sophomore year of college and my friends are going to college parties and meeting girls and. Can I swear in the show, by the way?

Absolutely.

Okay. Going to parties. I said F bomb a lot. And they're going like, fucking girls. And everyone's having fun and shit. I'm in the gym Friday night shooting hoops. Like, that was what I did. I didn't mingle with girls because I was so focused. So while that made me a really good basketball player, it did nothing for my more important game, which was, of course, talking with women. So when I became really burned out in basketball at the age of 20 and I stopped playing, I was like, you know, I'm like, 20 years old. I probably have some urges here. I should probably, like, figure out. So I first started going to parties with friends and stuff. And I'll never forget the first college party. Everyone we walk in, it's like this big frat house, right? And there's drunk guys and drunk girls. Everyone everywhere's partying, right? College is, like, the best parties ever, right? So I walk in for my buddies, and immediately they, like, dart over to this group of, like, eight girls who they, like, knew or whatever, and they're, like, picking the girls up, and the girls are, like, laughing, and everyone's, like, kissing and dancing and flirting and. And I'm sitting there Like, And I walk in, and I literally. I'm like, how are you doing that? Like, what are you saying?

Foreign. It was like, watching.

It was literally. Because when I, like, they went over there, right? I didn't just stand away from them, like, 20 seconds. I was like, oh, you know, I should probably go talk to these people, too. And I walk over, and it's like, the girl will talk to them. She'd be giggling, laughing, flirting, attracted. And then she'd talk to me, and it'd be awkward and boring. And then 10 seconds later, she'd be like, I'm gonna go talk to the people who make.

Or have to go to the bathroom or have to eat another drink.

Exactly.

And then they're all right.

So I didn't know what to say. I didn't know what to do. And of course, you know me, I've like, this obsessive personality to figure everything out that I'm interested. And I was like, you know, this I need to fucking figure out. So started hanging around guys who are really good with girls. I got a mentor. I started reading books in the subject. And then, you know, one thing led to another. I got deeper and deeper and deeper. And now, almost five years later, this is all I do. So this is like. So you could say, like, my teenage years, I was obsessed with basketball, and the minute I hit 20, and since then, I've just been obsessed with everything male, female.

And now you have a really successful dating coach business, and you have products and all this stuff. And, and. And. Which is so cool, what you just told me that you're going to be giving away to our listeners a free, free report, which is the deadliest pickup line of all times.

Yes. So it's actually. It's not a report. It's gonna be a video.

It's a video. Okay, good. Even better. You don't even have to read. You don't have to read. Right. Wants to read. So that's gonna be@sexwithemily.com Jason, which is so easy. Okay, so you can check out all what Jason is about. Because you're gonna want to know more about Jason, believe me, after you listen to this interview. Okay, so you became obsessed with women and studying women. And so then you. When did you lose your virginity then?

So that's a good question. That took maybe six weeks or so from that point when I was sad. Right. I thought that was pretty good.

Right.

And then, of course, it was like the first domino fell. And then it's like, you know, you start to pick up some momentum and some steam, and the game just keeps getting better and better and better and better. So by the time I left my college campus, I was holding these impromptu seminars at, like, different frat houses and stuff, teaching these guys game on, like, a whiteboard. Like, in this situation, you should be saying these kinds of things and approach the girl this way. And if you want to take her home, here's what you should say. I was literally, like, had, like, groups of, like, 10 or 20 guys, like, listening to me teach this stuff, which was.

So give me an example. Okay. So when people hear game, they think of, like, Neil Strauss, the pickup. Like, you're. You say you're not a pickup artist, but, like, I feel like every pick. Because you're not. Like, you're more of, like, a dating coach, and you do it with more of a heart, perhaps, or you don't think so?

I certainly do, because here's the thing. I think the. The term pickup artist implies certain things that I don't like or embody. I think it implies, like, you're manipulating someone to do something that they don't necessarily want to do. What I'm teaching guys is two things. Number one, how to become the most attractive version of yourself, okay? So you don't need to manipulate anybody, but simply by being this most badass, awesome version of yourself, you're gonna naturally attract all the women that you want. And then two, I'm not, like, I'm not gonna teach you how to manipulate a woman, but there are certain things you can say and certain things that you can do to make her want to come home with you, to make her want to sleep with you. So you're not manipulating her, but you're just, like, pushing these buttons that. That she wants to. She wants you to push. And, like, I'm kind of giving guys, like, a blueprint, like, push these buttons like they want you to.

That's what you were drawing on the whiteboard in college.

Exactly. Certain things like that.

So what are those buttons? That's what I want to know.

Sure. Well, it's. What are we talking about?

As a woman, I try to think about, like, God, because now that I've been. You know, I've met so many people. Do you know I've been doing this for a long time, and I've met a lot of guys who, like, are, like, professionals and dating and getting women, all this different stuff. But then I started thinking back about my past and, like, wow, like, why was I attracted to that guy? All the guys I would get Hit. I get hit on a lot in college. I was a cocktail waitress and I was like, you know, a million guy. I was like, what were the ones? It was the ones who were funny or who were smarter, were confident. All those things were like, how do you teach that?

So I mean, right, because like the common dating advice is just have a great sense of humor and be really confident.

Right? Right. Guys are like, yeah, right.

That makes it right.

Doesn't help.

How can you take a guy who's not confident and be like, alright, dude, just, just be confident.

Bye, bye, have a nice day. Yeah, exactly.

So instead what I'm teaching is my formula, like generally speaking, to attract any woman and not saying that you're gonna make any woman sleep with you because there's a lot more that goes into that. But just like, even when you're in a relationship, you still meet guys and you feel like, attraction towards them. Like guys, they might be dating one girl, but if they meet someone else, they're not necessarily gonna fuck her or pursue her, but they'll feel you still those feelings.

Attraction, right.

It just happens. We feel attracted all the time. And the combination for guys, it's not necessarily looks, it's not money, it's this combination of, I call it being fun and challenging at the same time. And if a guy can be fun or playful, that sense of humor, right. But he can also be challenging to her at the same time. That's gonna create this, like, this opening in her that's gonna feel like, I'm intrigued by this guy. Does that make sense?

You want to feel something different. We're like, another guy's hitting on me. I know he's doing that. But if you like elicit some kind of emotion in me, that's like, and we all want to be challenged and we all want to win or whatever it is like, oh, he's doing something. So how do you teach that then?

Okay, well, let me ask you a question. When you were like really single and guys are hitting on you all the.

Time, I'm still single.

Okay.

Yeah, so I mean really single. But you know, I'm never really single, but I've never really committed either. But go ahead.

I like that. I feel the same way about myself. So when a guy hits on you and it's. You get one of those feelings, you're like, I need to like, get out of here and excuse myself to go to the bathroom or something. What, what things do you like? What is usually happening? What is usual?

That's a great question. I'm Because I'm trying to, like, channel back to the time I was like, at parties, I was like, oh, I'm gonna go get a drink. You know, I'm usually just like, bored. He's asking me where I'm from, what I'm. What I do for a living. Like, he's just. But it's in a way that I'm just. There's no attraction. I'm not interested. I'm just bored. I'm like. And I've got like, you need to get my attention you about 30 seconds. And if I can tell already. And I'm just. I'm not interested. Nothing sparking in me. Nothing's interesting. Not even that if he's cute or not. Like, it's not. I'm not even. A girl is like, oh, he's gotta be hot. That it's the comfort. You know women, the brain is our largest sex organ. So you need to turn our brains on. And so these guys were not turning my brains on. They were boring me. And I, you know, head to the fake bathroom, swoop, like, gotta go to the bathroom. Gotta be my friends. Yeah. And he wasn't doing anything.

Right. And you say the brain part. I mean, it's the emotional brain part that needs to be that. That's where guys need to hit. So when guys go up to a girl and they're getting this reaction of like, I'm not interested. I'm gonna go, you know, floss my cat's teeth or something there now. Or something like that, like that happens because he didn't spark any emotions in her. There was no. It was purely a logical conversation. When a guy came up to a girl that he just met and he can push a button or spark some emotion in her, something different, a different feeling, she's gonna be intrigued. There's just. She. She's hooked now. She wants to know a little bit more. But, you know, you can go up to a girl and you can go up to like, you can. You can spark an emotion in the wrong way. You can go up to her and be like, you know what? You're really ugly. Like, if that's gonna get an emotional response out of her, that's gonna put.

Her in therapy for the next 20 years.

It's probably not gonna get you laid though, right? She's really low self esteem. But if you go up to her and you are playful and you're challenging to her at the exact same time.

So give me an example. Pick me up right now.

So one of my. I'll just lift you up. One of my favorite things to do. Okay. That I always tell guys. This is, like, one you can just test out, and this will probably work for you is I go up to a girl and I say, hi, I'm Jason. What's your name? And she goes, hi, I'm Emily. I go, nice to meet you. I'm psychic.

I'm just like, you seem psychic.

Yeah. Did you know that? And she'll be like. Like, it's weird, right? It's something off the wall.

No, I just met you and. What do you mean?

Right? And I'll be like, yeah, it's. It's weird. You know what happened last week? I got hit in the head with this football, and I'm just. I've been psychic ever since. You. Do you, like. Do you have any psychic power? Like, you make up a point.

Right?

Just playful. Right.

So let's do it. So let's do. I'll be like, I. I don't know. I mean, I've been to psychics before. I don't know if I have psychic powers.

But you probably felt like at one point where, like, there was some weird, like, ESP thing that happened, right?

Yeah, totally.

Like someone called you that you thought was gonna call you.

Yeah. You think about someone and they call. You'd run into them on the street.

Right? Okay, so, one. We just were being playful now, and we're just connecting on something totally random. But also right now, at this moment, what I would do is I'd say, okay, now, because. So now we're being playful, right?

Right.

But now I want to challenge you at the same time. So I would say, okay, well, let's see how good your psychic powers are. And then I'll turn to the rest of the room and I'll say, him right there. What's his name?

Bob.

No, I think that's entirely wrong. Try again.

Mark.

Okay, that's probably a little bit better. What does Mark do? And now we go back and forth. We make up a story about him.

These are fun conversations. He hasn't gotten laid ever. Three months. He's way too drunk right now. And he needs to wear a different shirt.

Yeah, he smells, too. I don't know if you notice he's a little.

No. Does he? That's why he's standing alone. I see. So then we're creating a dialogue, and it's fun. And you're not asking me where I live and what I do for a life.

Well, here's the thing.

Like, please don't ask Me that off the bat. Like, guys, you know.

Well, here's the thing.

Why.

Okay, why would a high value, like, naturally attractive dude be interested in those personal questions about someone he just met? You know what I mean? Like, she's done nothing to. To make him be like, wow, I need to know more about you. Tell me about you. Like, that should happen after she's. She's invested some and she's earned it a little bit.

Right?

And you should be doing the same for her. Like, it should be an equal amount of investment. Like, if a guy goes up to girl and he's just like, what do you do? Where are you from? What's your job? What's your favorite color? Like, all this bullshit. He's. Why would he be so interested in someone that he just met? He's. Does that make sense?

Yeah, because I'm just thinking, you want to sleep with me. That's why you're talking to me.

Exactly. You've done nothing to prove to him that you're something more than just a pretty face, Right? And he clearly doesn't. Like, you could. You could be basically saying, you could be anybody. I'm just trying to make 15 minutes of conversation so I can say, give me your phone number. Which is total bullshit. Instead, what the guys should be coming up to the girl with is this mindset of, I'm gonna play with her, we're gonna have fun, we're gonna flirt, and then I'm gonna find out if she can hang with me or not. If she does, she can hang with me, and we can actually vibe on some level. Then I might be more intrigued and interested and inclined to learn a little more. But until then, I'm not. I'm not, like, I don't give a shit about that. I just want to have fun, and she just wants to have fun, you know? And then what's gonna happen is you go up and you're playful with her and you're challenging with her, she's gonna start to feel those emotions. She's gonna start to get attracted to you, and she's gonna want to know those things about you also. And now you guys can actually have, like, a real dialogue.

So you start with something that's kind of playful and conversational, but guys have a hard time with this. Like, you can tell them this, but they're like, they're nervous. They see a woman, they get shut down. She's hot. I want to talk to her. And it's like, you know, I guess we always say, like, being observational. And notice something that she's doing and make a joke about. Some people just aren't naturally.

Right. Well, there's. Okay, so the reason, I mean, this is like a long term process, but the reason guys are so tight and they're like, well, she's really hot. Like, I can't do that with her.

Right?

Is because everyone is so fucking outcome dependent nowadays. Everyone is so obsessed and attached to getting this one outcome. And the problem is when most guys, when they see a really hot girl, the outcome that they're so attached to isn't fucking her, which is. Which is totally screwy. The outcome that they're so attached to is not getting rejected by her. Right?

Which is even worse because they're gonna get rejected.

If you're thinking, I don't want to get rejected by her, what's gonna happen?

You're gonna get rejected, of course. Right?

You're gonna manifest whatever you're thinking. Exactly. So instead, first of all, instead of thinking, I don't want to get rejected by her, you're gonna think about an outcome. It should be, you know, really, when I go to a girl, the only outcome I have in my mind is I'm gonna have fun.

Right? Let's have fun.

I'm gonna entertain myself.

I'm having a great night, right?

Literally, I'm gonna entertain myself. And by me doing that, I'm gonna create this fun, playful energy around me that she's gonna feel attracted towards because she's gonna want a part of that.

See, that is so I want, I want everyone to like, pay attention that. Because when we're talking about building confidence, that's what we're talking about. Because that makes you feel confident. And also to think that I'm just gonna find right now it's about me. Like, it's. Because it really. It should all be about us, right?

Like in the end of the day.

Yeah. No, like, we were born alone, you die alone. People hate when I say that. I mean, whatever. I believe in togetherness. But the truth is, if you don't feel good, no one else is gonna want to be with you. If you don't feel good about yourself. So the fact that you're turning out, you're taking away from her, like giving her all the power. You're like, I'm just gonna go have fun. This is gonna be fun. You're not even thinking about rejection. And the worst thing that's gonna happen, you're like, I'm at a party, I'm gonn and make it fun.

I'm gonna have fun. Exactly. And what's ironic about it is when, you know, I'm going in there, I'm just gonna fucking entertain myself. I'm gonna say what I want, I'm gonna do what I want. That's gonna. That's like self charging. Like that charges you up. Because now you're not worried about what she's thinking or what he's thinking, what anyone. You don't give a fuck. You're literally having fun in your own world, in your own body, whatever you want to call it. And that's gonna draw people in. That's. That is what attractive energy is. When we see someone doing what they want and saying what they want and they're free and they're happy. And we want to be around that person because we want some of that. We want to be freer. We want to be happier, we want to be more excited about the shit we're saying.

So that's going to attract it to people like that?

Of course. We're attracted to people who are free. People are free, happy, passionate, excited, whatever you want to call it. That's what we want to be around. We want to be around those people all the time.

Right?

And that's what I'm talking about when I'm saying, like, become a naturally attractive virgin. You're not going up to a girl. Like, I could say lines to you that would be little, like button pushes, like little lines that would like. So we all know that the older days, like, people want what they can't have, right? I would call that like transient attraction. Because you can, I can say something to a girl like, like, you know, she tells me she's from Pasadena and I'm like, girls from Pasadena are trouble. Like, we definitely can't be drinking buddies anymore. And I take the drink from her or something like that. Like, that is like a button push, right?

Right.

And that's gonna make her feel like she can't have me for a second and she'll feel a pull towards me and that's great, but that's not gonna. That's not gonna make her want to fuck me.

Right.

But that's just like a fun, playful thing. But if you are this guy who has this, this like masculine, attractive, doesn't give a fuck. He's free, he's self entertaining. You have that energy about you and that's lasting, that's who.

And you can teach that to people. Yeah, it can be learned. Everything can be learned. People think they don't have it and they can't get it. And they live in the worst town to date in. And everywhere they live, they can't meet anyone. And I'm just like, you've got to work on yourself. You've got to be, work on becoming the best version of yourself. Of course, these are some, some great reasons.

It all starts with you. Always starts with you.

So if you're not feeling good about yourself, you're in a bad place, you're in a funk, you're not feeling good about your job, all that stuff, you got to do things right now. Like, don't, don't focus on the women right now or the man. If you're a woman listening, don't focus on the man. Like, focus on making yourself better, whole, you know, happy.

If you, if you were to just look at your days, like, how many of the things that you're doing every day are things that you wanted to do for you and how many of the things you're doing are things for other people? Like, I mean, we get into these. Like, if all day long you're doing stuff for someone else or for the approval of someone else or to please someone else because some boss told you to do it, whatever it is, you know, you get stuck in this pattern of that. That's your pattern. Your default pattern is I do stuff for other people. But if all day long you're doing stuff for you and you're saying things for you and you're saying what you want, all of a sudden your pattern becomes, I'm doing what I want. So when you go out at night, nothing changes. You're still doing that.

Exactly.

And that's who we're attracted to.

So what creates, so then this, what creates the attraction between two people, Then that would be.

When they're seeing you, when, when they're seeing you being your most positive side, what else is it? Like?

Let's get a little more.

Something weird just happened here.

Hold on.

Something just. Okay, we're good.

God. So yeah, I mean, let's get a little more like, specific here.

Yeah.

So.

We're. Good job. Okay.

Yeah. What was your question?

What creates attraction between two people?

Sure. So there's.

What is it about? What is it?

The big part of attraction is we are usually attracted to people who we feel are of higher status than we are. It's higher status or higher value, whatever you want to call it. And a lot of people think that the way to demonstrate or convey that you are a high status human being to someone else is your cars or your clothes or where you Live or your house. And we don't trust that. Like we know that someone could have been born with rich parents, they didn't earn that money. Or we know that someone could have gotten lucky on some dot com bubble burst or something like that and made like we don't trust those things on some subconscious level. If we meet a guy who drives like a kick ass car and has a sick house or something like that, like, but he's, he's like a faggot or he's a nerd or he's a douchebag or whatever it is, then none of that shit means anything. He's still a low status person does. Okay? Which is good because for the guys who don't have a lot of money or stuff like that, that's just not something.

Yeah, let me just take a 1.5 segue here. I've had guys who come to me and like in the first three minutes, they're talking about the Rolls Royce that's parked in their driveway. They're like, I've got this Rolls Royce. I'm kind of stressed because I left the driveway. I'm like running out of there so fast. Like, I don't give a that you have a Rolls Royce or what you have. Like to me, another woman might feel differently, but I don't care. Like what you own, what you do, what you have. It's about probably what you're gonna say.

I'll ask you, what does it say about that guy who feels the need to tell you about his life?

He's so insecure that he's leading with those. His Rolls rice. And he probably has no penis.

Right?

Right. Not even a small one. Just none. He's not penis less castrated. No, but guys have to lead with like what they do and like how much money they have in their cars. You know, that they're not a confident man. He's like, I have to tell you all these outside things about myself. Communicating, finding himself, communicating.

That they don't see themselves exactly as high status. They're communicating. They see themselves as low status there. They're literally telling you, they're going, hi, Emily, I'm low status. Do you like me now?

Right.

What they're saying. So one, they're doing that wrong. And two, they're selling you.

Right.

Okay. The ideal way to do it if you want to pick up a girl is you make her sell to you. You flip it around. Right. And they're, they're. I mean, it's ridiculous. They're doing these different things. How do you flip that around?

Flip it around. Do it to me.

So we call it qualifying.

Do it. Do it right. Yeah.

So I would say something to you. I would say something like, you know what you, like, clearly you have, like, very, like, type A, like, high energy about you. But I'm sure there's other times where you can, like, chill and relax.

I thought I chilled out since I moved to la.

No, you're very high worried. Okay, but see, what you're kind of like, you're, like, opening up here. But I would say to you, like, but I'm sure there's times where you are more chill and, like, vibing and laid back. Like, that would be true.

Right, Right.

So, like, what are. Like, when are the. When do those times happen? I'm just curious.

When do I chill and vibe?

When do you find the time to chill and vibe?

Lately? No. You know, with friends, exercise, running, yoga.

Mm.

Yeah.

And like, when you're doing those things, like, when you're doing yoga and you're, like, starting to, like, mellow out, like, what. What changes, like, in your mindset for you? Like, when that happens, I guess I.

Just clear my mind and I become calmer and I focus on my breath and I let all my thoughts go and I just become a more chill person. I think my friends, too, surround myself by, like, people I love and people who are funny and smart, you know.

They kind of, like, rub off on you. Yeah, I just. I know, like, I love it during yoga. Like, that moment at the end, like, I think it's called Shavasana.

Yeah.

Where you, like, you just disappear into your mat. That, to me, is one of my favorite feelings. Right. Okay. So you see what just happened here?

Yeah.

So I opened you up.

Right.

Because I'll explain exactly what I did, but I kind of opened you up. I'm present to the moment. I was able to do that. And then I kind of went deeper into something that you really enjoy and had you explain it to me what it feels like.

Right. And all those feelings you asked me about what it feels like. Right. That's key.

Of course. And. But what that's doing is you're now you're investing something personal into the interaction. Right. Did you. Did you feel that way?

Yeah, absolutely.

So that's. I mean, you could call that you selling yourself, but it means no.

But I even felt at this moment, even though we're doing this interview and we're practicing, like, I did feel more connected to you, but I felt like, oh, wow, okay.

Just connecting the Shavasana thing.

I feel so connected.

Okay, but like, but that was, that was you investing into the interaction and that, that's how you flip it around. So it's not you saying, I have a fucking Rolls Royce. It's. No, you're the one talking. I'm listening and I'm leading the conversation in the way that I want it to go. Which, this is a big key. This is kind of a segue and we'll get to the honest signals thing in a second. But.

We talk about it that guys usually ask. There's like two types of questions that people ask. Okay. There's data questions and there's process questions.

Data and process.

Data versus process. When a guy asks a data question, it's what do you do? How old are you? Where do you live? The answers are pure data. Right. They're not open ended questions. They don't lead anywhere and there's no emotional investment involved with them. But a process question is me asking you what the process is like. So when you say you do yoga, I say, what is it like for you when you enter into Shavasana and you just totally just like relax and dissolve into the moment? What is that like for you? We're talking about the process of what is the process?

Right.

Exactly. What do you, what's your favorite part about it? What do you enjoy most about it? When did you first discover that this was something that was really important to you? Like we're talking about the process as opposed to data. Data is, is like a dead end.

I'm from Michigan, I live here, I do that.

And now we have nothing to talk.

About, nowhere to go. Right.

But now you're. Now I'm asking process questions. You're telling me what it feels like to dissolve into the mat or whatever. And then I can now, now that you've invested, I can relate back. And now we can connect because you told me about this emotion where it feels like you're dissolving and I go, you know, like, that's my favorite part of yoga too, is when I'm sitting there and I just, and I describe my feelings to you. And now that's how an emotional connection is made. But you don't, you can't emotionally connect on. I'm from Michigan and I'm this old.

We're both from Michigan, by the way. Funny. I know, Very odd. Okay, so, right, I get it. Data versus process. So guys should focus more on the process.

Yeah, don't ask data questions. Just stick to the process. Not even process questions. Like Process questions are great, but just have a process conversation where, like, that's when girls talk about. They meet a guy and they're like. And their friends are like, what did you like about him? Like, during the conversation, it's just like. I don't know, we just. We just vibed. We just clicked. That's what happens when you're having a process conversation. You're both sharing related experiences, funny stories, little anecdotes. And it's just like. It's this constant vibe going back and forth. And no one's, like, trying to. Like, I'm trying to pick her up. I'm trying to get something for her. She's trying to get something from him. It's just pure vibing. And that's where chemist. That's what chemistry is.

That is chemistry. And it's emotional. It's, like, totally emotional. Yeah, emotional question. Now, what about sub communications?

Okay, so this is what I want to talk about. This is the honest signals.

I was talking about honest signals.

So we have it. We have it totally laid out that people are attracting things to people of higher status. Right? Like this.

Yeah, I want to go back to that. Is it really, like.

But it's.

Can we be equals to. Don't you think we're equals? Some people are. You think initially we're trying.

I think we're all born equal. But then I think, no, no, I'm saying.

But in life, couples. Do you think that couples are never equal? You're saying in the attraction phase, we're attracting.

I'm talking about early on.

Okay, I'm sorry.

I mean, but the thing is, you, like, if a girl ends up, like, committing to a guy for a relationship and, like, it starts off where he's, like, higher status than her and she's attracted to that, she doesn't want him to go down. Why would she want that? She wants. She wants the biggest badass. That's what I mean. Why wouldn't she?

Right.

He wants the same thing out of her. So honest signals or high stat? Like, so I say honest signals are the signals that are communicating what level of status that you are. Okay. False signals would be cars, clothes, you know, like where you live, how much money you make. That's all false because that doesn't tell us about a person.

Right.

That can be false. The honest stuff cannot be faked. The honest signals, for the most part, eye contact, body language, vocal tonality, energy, things like that. And that's. We call those the sub communications. Everything that's not being actually said, but because the thing is, like, we're taught from a very young age how to deceive and mislead and misdirect with our words. Like, that's not hard. We know how to do that. But we're not taught, like, we trust what we pick up on other people from their body language, their vocal tonality, and their eye contact. Those are the honest signals. And those make up like, 80, 90% of attraction.

So do you teach that to men? Like, the right honest commit? Like, how do you.

Yeah, so when they. When they download the deadliest Pick a line of all time, when they go see that, they're gonna see a video of me actually demonstrating this line and a whole conversation on a girl.

Okay?

They're gonna see the whole thing. So.

Saxwithemily.com.

Jason, watch him do this. Okay?

Yeah. So we'll see it live. And the reason that I was like, like, if it's the deadliest pickup line, like, you could do that on paper or like an audio, right? But the key thing is, and this is what I talk about in the videos you guys will see, is it's not the words that really matter. Because you ask a girl, like, I just met, she was attracted to you. Like, what did you talk about? She won't remember, right? She's no idea. She just remembers the feeling. Remember the feeling?

The feeling. It's true.

Of course. So in the video, that way you can see my body language, you can see my eye contact, you can see my vocal tonality. And you'll see her. She'll start playing with her hair at a certain point. I didn't tell her to do that, but it's because this is, like, attraction is hardwired. We can't help it if we meet a guy. If a girl meets a guy and he's conveying these qualities about himself, she will feel attracted to him. So she starts playing with her hair. Her pupils become dilated, her foot starts, like, moving around because she's a little nervous. So you can see all of these things happening live in front of you. And it's all about. I mean, it's. The line is almost. It's almost meaningless. Like, I listen, I mind fuck for, like, professional. That's what I always say is, like, I'm a professional mind. Like, I teach people how to mind because it's fun for me, and I like the words, and it's not manipulation, but it's like, it's leading people to do things that they wanted to do but didn't necessarily feel like they had permission to do like a one night stand or something. Like, if a girl, like, here's the thing. Like, if a girl goes out with the intention of like, Like, I'm a girl who doesn't have one night stands, but there's this huge part of her inside that's like, God, it would be so much fun to meet a dangerous guy and just do it one time.

You're that guy.

I can. Yeah. I'll tell you what to say to open her up so that part of her comes to the surface and is like, fuck it, I want to be free. I want to go do this. But you're not gonna make her do it. You're just gonna bring that to the surface and then she gets.

What do you do? If you want, like, tell me. Okay, okay, I want to know.

Okay, So I bet I can almost guarantee that this has happened to you in your past. Like, the guy didn't know he was doing it, but it still happened. Right? So if there's a girl who's like, you know, I just like, I'm so stuck in my head and like, what my friends think about me. If I, like, I don't want to stand with the. Yeah, I just met. That's how most girls are. Like, for the most part, they're worried about being judged.

I don't care. What if the guy doesn't call? What if their friends judge? Right? He talks about her. They only wanted stand. Right.

Exactly. So I could say something to her like, you know, you know what? Like, I can tell that you're like a very, like, rational person and you make a lot of like, smart decisions and that's good. But there's also like the side to you that just like is spontaneous and adventurous and independent and kind of like does what she wants. Right, right. And you'll say, yeah, like, I know.

That side, of course, yeah.

And I'll be like, yeah, you know what? I just, I like in my life, just personally, like, I like to have all my friends. I call it asi. Like, that's like the most important quality that someone who I'm going to spend time with can have. And it's being adventurous, spontaneous, independent. Like those three things. To me, I feel like the happiest people are always asi. And the people are always neurotic and worried about shit. Aren't like, they can't live in the moment, they can't go with their feelings, they can't trust themselves. They're so worried about. Everyone thinks, like, so true. How fucked up is that?

So messed up.

Right? And now all of a sudden, I've laid down this frame of our conversation.

I'm like, oh, I'm fun and spontaneous.

Exactly. So now that next thing you know.

We'Re in the bathroom and I'm like on my knees or something.

But.

But I didn't make you do anything you didn't want to. It's like you're subtly giving someone permission to be like, you know what? Like, dude, like, you can be fine.

And is it under the assumption that every, all of us have that part or aspire to be more spontaneous?

Well, here's the thing.

I'm type A. I'm like, don't call me Taipei.

Right. Everyone does.

That's the thing. Everyone has a conservative side and everyone has a more adventurous side. And it's always going back and forth. But when we're like, I'm sure you have friends where you hang around and you guys act really goofy.

Right.

Then you have other friends where it's more like serious and philosophical. Right, right, right. Because they bring out those sides to you. So if you're a guy who wants to pick up girls and go for one night stands, and you need to be the guy who can bring out the adventurous, spontaneous, independent side of her, as.

I like that. Love the acronyms. And I'll remember. Okay, so. But what about making? Okay, well, first of all, you're sort of legendary at such a young age. No, but I've heard, like, I hear you have some crazy sex stories.

I do, Yeah.

I just want to hear, like, your. What comes to mind when I say that? What's your crazy sex story? Well, how did it happen? Can you. Can you talk me through the science of what happened when you got to get there?

Yeah.

Okay, so I'll tell you a lot of alcohol.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you a local story.

Okay?

Okay. Alcohol always helps. Of course.

Local. Does that mean, like, it happened in.

In say, Santa Monica? Okay, yeah, because I. I travel a lot. I'm like, speaking and coaching and stuff. So, like, some of these stories were like, San Francisco. Actually, there's a story that happened on the trolley, the late night trolley that goes around.

I just moved.

I know. Yeah, so there's one there, but they're.

Like, hard to pick.

Chicago, New York, Miami, Vegas, Austin. Yeah, I mean, we can go all day, but let's go Santa Monica.

Okay.

So.

Recently I was at this bar in Brentwood. Okay. And there is like a bunch of people there. And it was this girl's birthday and she had a lot of friends there. And I meet this girl there, we start talking, and immediately, like, we're not having a boring conversation. It's immediately. It's flirtatious from the start, right? Like, I think. I think what I said to her was like. She was like. She was like, at the bar, like, watching the television. It was like a hockey game. And I went up to her and I was like, you know, like, you don't have to pretend to like sports to impress me. Like, I just like you for you. Like, something totally flirtatious and playful. Right? So we were instantly. We're bantering, reviving. And then she started telling me that I was just like a normal LA dude. She probably didn't read any books. That was what she said, which I thought was hilarious. But this is good, because if I know how to respond to that, then the tension is just gonna rise and rise and rise. So she said.

She said to you, you're probably an LA douche. She doesn't read books because no one here reads books. They say you do anyway, but.

Right, right. So, I mean, which to me is awesome because I'm not only so.

Not that guy. Right?

Right. So I can. I can be everything. So I said to her, I was like, that sounds exactly like a girl. Like a girl who doesn't read books. That sounds like something she would say, like, to make up for her own lack of book insecurities. Right? So we start playing on that, and then we start talking about, like, Ayn Rand, because we both. Turns out we both love Ayn Rand and we connect in on that. Right? And we're talking about that. So after, like, 20 minutes of that, I'm like, this is how I usually get a girl to leave the bar. Like, to start. I'm just gonna say, like, we had the adventurous, spontaneous. We had all those conversations. But I said to her, I was like, listen, it's like. It's like 1:30. It's, like, really crowded and hot in here. Like, let's go for a walk. Always. Let's go for a walk. And she's like, done. Let's go. Right? Spontaneous. We already established that. So we're walking down the streets of, like, it was Wilshire Boulevard, like, up and down Santa Monica. You're, like, 26. And we're like. I'm, like, taking her behind, like, the Verizon parking lot. We're, like, making out there. One of my favorite things to do is, like, slam a girl against the wall. Like, protect her head.

Slammer. Like, yeah, he Protects her head. Okay. Of course.

In, like, a dominant but, like, protective way. Yeah.

So we're like, women like that. Of course, a lot of women. Dominant.

And you take. You take your hands, you put both of them above her head. You hold them with one hand, like. Yeah. So I'll do that for 10 seconds and then always. This is like a big key, you guys out there for, like, building sexual tension. I'll just let it all.

The treasure chest. Oh, yeah, you're letting it all out. Okay, Guy. He usually charged a lot of money for this. Okay. Yeah.

I just love sharing. I really do. Plus, I'm bragging right now. And it's under.

It's hot.

This world's under the confines of I can do this. So this is cool. So one of the best things you can do is when you, like, you're making out with her and you do that, like the first kisses, be the one to pull back first, Take it away first. Leave her wanting more. So I'll push her against the wall and hands above the head or making out. And then after 10 seconds, I'll just suddenly just slowly pull away and start walking away. Won't even turn around to look at her. And I'm just. And then she's like, what did you just do? What are you doing? She starts chasing after me, right? And she grabs up. She's like, what did you just do? And I'm just like, come on, let's go. Keep going.

Right?

Totally ignore it now. She's like.

She's like, oh, is it right? You're keeping on her toes.

Totally unpredictable. She has no idea what I'm gonna do next.

Right. Which is unpredictable. Fun guy.

Right? Exactly. So we're walking down the street, and I'm thinking to myself. So I. This is. This is recently when I lived in Santa Monica. So I was like, how can I get her home? Okay. One of the most important things you have to remember is when you are taking a girl home, it's almost always better if you can have a reason why you're going there. Besides, we're there to have sex.

Right?

The first time, at least. Because that way she can rationalize my dog or whatever. Yeah, whatever. This video I have to show you or we're hungry, let's make fruit smoothies. Whatever it is.

So smoothies.

Yeah.

But I wanted to push for me every time, right?

Who doesn't want a fruit too at 8, 2 in the morning?

Everyone does. Yeah.

It's healthy. All right. It's like, very. But this is not a normal Sex story. This is a crazy sex story, okay? So I like, I like to push boundaries. I like to like take chances and stuff. So I said to her, it was like two in the morning. I'm like, have you ever.

You know what I said? I said, are you a spontaneous person? That was like the first thing. Would you like consider yourself a spontaneous person? Of course. She goes, yeah. I'm like, all right, let's go to the beach. Then boom. Grab her by the hand held on. The cab went straight to like the Santa Monica beach.

Okay?

So she's already like, she's spontaneous. This is what she's doing. She's committed. So immediately we go to the beach. We. It was really funny because we were walking like down that, over that bridge down to the beach in Santa Monica. We're like walking like we're on the sand and she like stops me like 100ft from the water and she's like, wait, I just, I need to know right now. She's like, are you, are you like just having fun? Are you like looking for something more?

Right?

Which is. She was thinking about like this. This was basically her saying, if we have sex right now, what should I expect?

Right?

Okay. And this is something I teach all guys, okay? Never fucking lie to a woman ever. Just be like, here's the thing. Guys think if they lie, like and they tell her what she wants to hear, that's gonna somehow be better one. It will always fuck you in the ass if you do that at some point. She knows.

She, she.

Alright, she knows in some level when you're telling the truth. Like she'll always know, right? And they love it when you're just blatantly honest. Like it's, it's so rare and refreshing nowadays that it's actually an attractive. The quality.

Exactly.

So just be blatantly honest.

So what'd you say?

I said, no, I'm just having fun. Like, I make no guarantees about what's gonna happen after. But I know right now I'm like really enjoying this moment with you and I want to keep building this adventure with you. And she was like, okay, cool, great.

That's all she needed to know.

She knows where to put me in her emotional compartment, whatever it is, which is fine. So we get towards the water. I just start taking all my clothes off. She joins, we get naked, we go in the water. It's three in the morning now.

What if it's freezing too, right? Or no.

Yeah, okay, well, the water was cold. Well, that was my thing is I'll Just be totally honest is I didn't. I was like, how am I gonna get like, how am I gonna get a boner in like freezing cold water?

Yeah, that's the first thing I thought. Okay.

No, it was fine.

There's. I think the whole experience was just really hot. So it made no problem. But went in the water, we did things and then at like 4, we get out and we're like walking. So here's the part. We're walking out of the ocean now. We've already like been sleep. We already were fucking.

Like so I'm the same. Okay. I'm just trying to understand. Like, did you have a blanket?

No, we were in the water.

You had sex in the water? Yeah, in the ocean.

Like in like the shallow parts of the water was like up to our.

Waist, let's say with the sand and everything though. No protection. This isn't good. Everyone use protection. Okay.

I usually. It was. That was bad. I thought the salt in the water would help. Okay.

It doesn't people protection. Go ahead, carry it in your pocket.

99% of the time. I always say this is the first.

Time he's ever not used protection ever. So safe sex. Safe sex with Emily.

Yeah, I actually do agree with that. Yeah. So we, you know, we're walking out of the water and like our feet are now wet and we're covered in sand and like throw our clothes on each other like we're still kind of wet. And my apartment's four blocks away, so I'm like, all right, let's go shower. Straight to my place. We go in the shower now we're like washing each other off. We spent the whole night fucking. And like it was an amazing night, right? And a huge part of that whole thing was there's two things, okay. I always say, like if you're gonna have a one night stand with a girl, one, you need to always be leading, okay? She will not take initiative for you to have, for her to have a one night stand. Like, unless she's like, I need to have sex tonight. She's not gonna do that. You need to the one leading. You need to the one saying, alright, let's go for a walk. How spontaneous you. Let's go to the beach, let's go take a shower. You need to be leading her on this fun, exciting, unpredictable adventure. And then, I mean that's, that's really the big thing. Number two is giving her permission.

Did you ever see her again?

Yeah.

Do you date her?

Like, not serious.

She's in your rotation.

Sure. She's, you know, she's much more than a rotation girl to me.

Oh, she is more than a rotation girl.

She's the ocean girl to me.

She's the ocean. The ocean rotation. So what would you say? How do you make her want to like rip your clothes off? Like, how do you create like that. That sexual energy?

So, okay, so there's. There's two parts to this, all right? Number one is the sub communications. So you can, you can like turn a girl on just with your eye contact. Like most guys don't realize this because.

They never looked a girl look down and like, they don't look at the woman in the eye. Makes me crazy.

Yeah, well, you're. The thing is those guys, like if guys like if you're out there listening to this, like, stop doing that. You're telling her that you don't consider yourself worthy of her when you won't look her in the eyes. That's literally what you're saying. So if you don't consider yourself worthy of her, how the fuck is she gonna think that she. That you're like. She should be attracted to you if you don't think that you're worthy? Why would she think so?

And this is something. The eye contact is something you have to folk. You have to like practice it now. I mean, I do with everyone now. I've had to learn it, but I. And when I don't do I kind of. Even if it's a business meeting, I notice when I'm not because I'm so self aware that. That eye contact is so important with every kind of community.

Do you ever notice what situations where like it's. It comes up more. Well, what situations are.

It's usually I actually when I'm really trying to focus on something or think about like right now, like I close my eyes and I think. Sometimes I think it's a distraction, but it usually comes up when I'm like thinking. I look up to think and then I look at. To access my brain and then I go back down. That's what it is usually when you're.

Not making good eye contact.

When I'm making good idea. But otherwise I really like try because then I feel like it's just a false connection with someone anyway. Everyone just feels better. Bill Clinton was the most amazing.

Yes, my amazing politician Reality distortion field.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Well, ironically, like I. So my. I don't. I don't read like, I hate like nonfiction books. Like I. They bore the fuck out of me. Like this guy's Telling me, like, eight steps. I'm just like, fuck you. Get out of here. I learned best from reading biographies. Those are my favorite things to read. And the last, like, five books that I've read have been biographies of, like, great men, like, great leaders. And every single one of them, there was, like, chapters dedicated to their eye contact.

Seriously.

So it was. Clinton was one of them. Okay, I'm Jewish, but I read a book about Hitler because I wanted to, like, learn more about that. And he would pierce people's souls with his eyes. Steve Jobs was known for his fucking stare down. I'm reading a book on Russell Brand. He talks about eye contact in there. He's like, one of my favorite people in the world.

Right?

But it's like, all these guys. Every. Every, like, badass dude has figured out that the way to get what you want is be amazing with eye contact.

Right.

You know, David's great with it, too.

Yeah.

So our friend David Wagner. Yeah. So it's like. It's so important, right? So fucking important.

So important. Eye contact. It's something anyone can learn, but you got to practice it and then start to realize. Right now you're listening to this. Even if you're like, you know, ordering your coffee at the coffee shop this morning. Are you looking at the barista when you're ordering your coffee? Like, most people aren't. I even make, like, wherever I go. Like, I just try to make eye contact. It just makes a connection with. With everyone, which it totally does. Yeah, it's much. It's much more like. I don't know. I think you just live. You're more in touch with your heart and more in touch with your life. Like when you really are connecting with everyone you come in contact with.

Yeah. And because when you. When you're, like, looking someone dead in the eyes and they're looking right back at you, you there. There's a part of you. The reason that you probably don't feel comfortable doing it right now is because you feel like there's some part of you that, like, you normally hide, that they can see now. Right. Because the eyes are the windows to the soul. Right? So it's like you look someone dead in the eyes. It's like you're being totally vulnerable and you're putting it all out there, and that makes you uncomfortable right now. But the truth is, is that if you're a guy, you can just look at a woman in the eyes, totally open and free and nonchalant and don't care. That's attractive. Because you're put. You're saying, this is me entirely. I fucking own it. Like, I know you love it. And that's it, right? And that's that. That turns her on right there. So you want to talk about sexual tension? You. We could be talking about socks right now, but if we have this strong eye contact going in, I'm like, I just love black socks. Like, just those like. Like argyle socks or something about them, you know? But we're just holding this eye contact. The tension just builds.

Exactly.

So it's like you don't bell right now.

Can you all feel it?

Yeah, but it's like, you don't need amazing lines, like, turn someone on.

No, just be present lines.

Be there.

It's all. So what we're seeing here today and we're gonna have to wrap up. But if you want to hear more more from Jason, go to sex with emily.com.

Jason I think that's what it is.com Jason J A S O N and you can get there getting your free video.

The deadliest pickup line.

The deadliest pickup line. It's awesome. You guys have got to check this out and you'll just learn more about Jason when he's like. But I think this is. This is really helpful that you are not. You had to learn this because people think. I think so many men and women spend time, like, beating themselves up about, like, why can't I do what I can't do? But it's like a learned skill. Like, everything you want to be good at in life, of course.

Well, here's the thing is I just heard this quote the other day, and I thought it was fucking awesome. But it's like everyone. Like, everyone is self. Is self created. But only successful people want to admit it, right? So, like, exactly where you are right now. Like, you made yourself that way. So, like, just accept it. Don't get mad about it, but just accept it. Take it for what it is. And understand that that also tells you that you have the power to create whoever you want to be a week from now, a month from now, a year from now. So this is a skill. Like, you've just. You've taught yourself how to make bad eye contact with someone, and now you can teach yourself how to make good eye contact.

I love that every single biography you write was about eye contact, because I think that's so important.

It's amazing.

Yeah, I know. It's really good stuff. Okay. Jason, you're the best. Thank you. And thanks everyone, for listening to Sex with Emily again. Please check out sex with emily.com Jason. Why can't I say slash today? My Michigan accent just came out. Slash, Jason. Also, check out all of my podcasts. I've got hundreds of podcasts. If this is your first sexuality podcast, you can find them on itunes. You can subscribe. Go to my website, sexalem.com and put in your email address and get my free report of the mistakes. Five biggest mistakes we have, one for men and one for women that you are making in bed. I guarantee you will see yourself one of those profiles. Just little tweaks here and there. You can change it so you can rock his or her world. Also check out my book, hot sex. Over 200 things you can try tonight. This is on my website. My iPhone app, Kyle Campbel. Hello, men and women. You want to have stronger orgasms? Check out Kegel Camp. And check out my other iPhone app, which is sex with Emily's sex drive, which is for couples. It helps you enhance your sex life and do all those crazy things that you want to do, but you're afraid to ask. So thanks everyone for listening to Sex with Emily. Was it good for you? Email me feedbackexwithemily.com.

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