LANDLORD VS TENANT WARS: Brutal Fights, Shocking Evictions & Secrets Exposed!

Welcome to the real estate newsroom. I'm your host, Charles Noonan. We have a guest host today, Manuel Clark. Team, please cover your eyes if you are afraid to see landlord tenant violence. What we're about to show you in today's headlines is two sisters that are landlords. They went to their tenant's job to collect some of their back rent money. They were owed six months back rent. Now let's. Let's take a look at what happened. Who are they moving? Oh, the uppercuts.

Oh, oh, she got hit with the lightning bolt chair. She got hit.

She. She hit her tenant in the head with a chair.

And she took that like a champ. Look at him.

She blocked that one. She blocked it.

Blocked.

All right, so we got Manuel Clark in here. Tell them who you are.

Manuel Clark from Harlem, licensed building, Birmingham, Alabama.

All right, you have a. A history of. You have a violent history in New York City as being a landlord.

Yes.

Whose side are you on in that situation?

I am definitely on the landlord side.

So you would have went to somebody's job and had them with a chair?

Depending on who it was.

What do you mean, depending on who it was?

Depending on who the tenant is. Yeah, depending on how much is old, I may not have threw a chair at him, but I definitely went to their job to collect the other way. Yes.

You know, in New York City, like, what happened, happened. A full fight broke out.

Okay.

And you with that?

I'm not saying I'm with that. I don't want people thinking that I'm just going around, you know, throwing chairs and any sort of violence. But at the end of the day, it's a long process to evict someone in New York. So sometimes landlord have to revert to going to someone's job, knocking on your door, embarrassing you in front of everybody to get that money. Yeah.

I have to say that is embarrassing. And getting hit with a chair at the Waffle House is quite embarrassing. So that part got accomplished. Now, one thing we don't know is who won the fight. I saw it. Did you see those uppercuts?

I saw the uppercuts. It was a good fight. It was a good fight. It was a good fight. I don't know if the landlord got paid or not, but at least it got some working. Got.

Put some work in is a good phrase in that situation, because I know it's frustrating.

It is.

Today we got social media. So you actually get to see your tenant on social media. Partying, having fun, traveling, vacation, and then they owe you rent money. So I know I'm on the tenant side, by the way. That's just wrong. You, you don't show up landlords. Got a landlord. You don't show up at, at a tenant's job and start throwing uppercuts like that. That's just wrong.

We don't know how this all played out, how it started. But at the end of the day, if you just pay your rent, you won't have these issues.

That's a good point. That's a good point. But as a landlord, you go to court to get your tenants out. You can do collections afterwards to get your back rent money. You do not go start throwing uppercuts and chairs with your, your sister, partner, brother. And like, like that could have went bad.

No, you're right. And I agree to some extent. You know, you don't do everything that we saw in that clip right there. But at the end of the day, sometimes you have to take matters in your own hand to get your win.

All right, well, real estate newsroom, let's move on the next topic. Birmingham, Alabama awarded $20 million in federal funds for redevelopment. So up next, Birmingham, Alabama was awarded $20 million in federal grant money for redevelopment. What's your thoughts on Birmingham, Alabama? What got you into that market?

Great market upcoming city. These guys in Birmingham, they work like a well oiled machine. Everyone is aligned, everyone sees the ultimate gold which is build up the communities in Birmingham and everyone is working together and that's all you can ask for. And that's what they're doing.

I gotta agree with you. I have to agree. Birmingham is the first city that I call developer friendly. As a developer and building my houses there for the first time. The water department got turned, like turned the water on in a day. The electric company put the meter can in and from the, they do the temp pole. Same day.

Yes.

Then they'll move the tempo, the meter camp on the tent pole to the house same day. As soon as you call, they're coming out and they're doing it. Everything there is aligned.

Yes.

So it's no surprise to see that Birmingham got awarded this money because that money is going to be put to use and it's being put in good hands.

Right. And they're about building the communities out there and that's exactly what they're doing.

Yeah, I agree. So Birmingham, I always say it, man, it is the next hot place. Birmingham's a market that when you see alignment like this and then you have like tons of development going on at the same time that's how it turns immediately.

No, you're right. It's an untapped market that I think in the next year or so is going to be the hottest city. Yeah, yeah, that, that people are talking about.

Well, I'll tell you this, for the first time, we're seeing black development. We're seeing developers that are aligned with going back to Birmingham to y and building it. So, yeah, good call on that, man. Good call on that. So again, cities like this, you got to be careful. You have. There's a number of open carry states where you got to be careful as a landlord pulling up on the, on these tenants.

I, I agree. But you know, when it's an open carry state, that means the landlord has. The landlord has access to a weapon as well.

So you, so you.

So both sides have to be careful with what I'm saying.

That's because I see where you, where you say you're from again.

I'm from Holland.

I see what's going on. So you're saying you got a gun too, right?

Exactly.

Have you ever been in a shootout? That's.

We could talk about that off camera.

All right, cool. Have you ever been in a shootout with a tenant?

No, not a shootout with a tenant, but I've done some things that I'm probably not proud of. But as a landlord, like I said, sometimes you have to do a little more than what you want to do to get your money.

Have you ever pulled a weapon on a tenant?

Yes.

Have you ever used a weapon on a tenant?

No.

Okay, cool. All right. All right. I love it. All right. So here's one of the reasons, man, I got to tell you. So the next, the next story we're about to talk through talks about a man who was put in a coma, a landlord who was put in a coma for running down on the tenant. Right? And here's the funny part. The headline seat man who put Roxbury landlord in a coma with a punch gets probation and short jail stay.

Yeah, that's.

That.

That's a tough one. Like I said earlier, you have to be careful who you want up on. You just don't run up on anybody just because they owe you money. Oh, you. I'm violective. Yes.

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5, 3. I am super selective about who I'm running up on.

I see what's going down and how much you owe. What do you mean, how much you owe?

It depends how much the 10 of those. I mean, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's better to just take the loss and try to buy them out of the apartment. And other times, you know, if you have to be a little physical, you know, got him.

Well, you threw somebody out before.

Absolutely.

Physically, like, out.

No, I had the. I had the monsters with me.

Okay.

But because I had the monsters with me, my chest was out, they had the hammer. I didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch.

Okay, I got it. I get it. Was that, like, a proud day for you?

It was a proud day only in. In the sense of I was able to actually get the tenant out sooner than I thought it would. Sooner than I thought I would. Because there's ways to get around getting the tenant out. I know some tricks to get a tenant out.

You know some tricks.

I. I don't know. I'm not.

We can go through. We got to go through it. So look, man, just looking at this article, I want to just. I want to just warn all landlords, please be careful going after your tenants. These are very trying times. Tenants are armed with and dangerous based on who they are, how much money they owe, and what their current circumstances are. So we got to be aware of, like, mental health issues when going through struggles, because landlords out here getting punched in the face, they getting put in comas, they're getting killed, they're getting stabbed. And then at the same time, you got landlords, like somebody in here who's going to come up to you for your red armed if he feels that he can beat you.

You're absolutely right. No, no, no. Excuse me. In all seriousness, to Charles's point, you have to be very careful. I wouldn't recommend a landlord run it down on a tenant. You know, just. Just be careful at first try. You know, go through the process. Landlord, tenant, court. But sometimes that just takes too long.

Okay, so give us top. Top three tricks to get a tenant out who isn't paying.

I'm gonna give you one trick. I'm not gonna give everything away. So here's one trick. So if you have a land, a tenant that's in Your house. The way the court system works is when you go to housing court, they don't ask you for identification. So you can have someone go as that tenant, have the lawyer sign up a stipulation that they're gonna process an eviction without any further notice. So that means, of course, it's not going to send a notice to that tenant's house.

Okay.

The monster's just gonna show up and drag them out. They're not gonna drag him out. They're gonna shorten Hammer and I'll get the goat.

I don't know. I don't know how. How legal that is. I. I don't know.

I've done it, and it worked like a charm.

Lieutenant leaves.

Lieutenant was gone. Washer, call me, say I'm on my way to the house. You want to meet me there? Absolutely, I want to meet you. I want to make sure they out.

I. I'll speak for the first time. I don't know how to address that. I know some landlords, though, that have paid upwards of $90,000 in a brownstone in Brooklyn to get the tenant out because the rent was $6,000 a month. And they figured, hey, let me just give them money to leave so that they can now start collecting rent.

Absolutely.

That's another way that. And, you know, I don't know if that's not legal or bribery either.

It's legal.

Is it legal, legal?

It's definitely legal.

Okay.

Who's to say it's not legal? I got a tenant in my house. He doesn't want to leave. Yeah, I can go through housing car process, which is going to take forever. Tenant probably doesn't have any money. So if I'm willing to say, here's X amount of dollars for you, can start all over and get you a place someplace else, that tenant is probably going to say, you know what? Let me go take this money. He's not going to put it on my credit report. I'm just going to leave, start all over, happy. Everyone's happy.

Have you ever paid a tenant to leave?

No way. You kidding me?

No. You gonna trick them?

I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna trick him to get him out.

All right. I remember a property we owned before together, and we. We had to get a tenant out. Yeah, we paid for the. We paid for the storage facility for like a month. We paid for the storage facility and a moving band.

We paid for moving band.

I think that's. That's how the stuff got moved out.

All right. We got them out. That's all that matters.

That's all that matters.

That's not all that physical.

Legally, you have to do it the right way, because I don't know if you could have gotten arrested for doing what you said you did, having somebody else show up as a tenant.

Oh, I could have absolutely got. Well, well, I wouldn't have got arrested because I wasn't acting the tenant. So the person. Yeah, they was on the line.

Man, this is crazy. All right, so just recap your two. Your two ways. Top two. Top two ways to get a tenant out of your. Your house. As a landlord, the first way I.

Just told you, when you have someone else act as the tenant, and the other one is got to get physical. You got to get physical. You have to. Man, it sucks. No, I'm. I'm joking. No, the top two ways is the one. First and main way you should get somebody out of your house is going through process, going to housing court to try to get them out. But if you can't get them out, if it just takes too long and it's, you know, eating at your pockets, and you still got to pay the mortgage, you still got to pay the rent for this tenant. You know, you just have to confront them right below.

Physical.

You don't have to be physical. Sometimes you could finesse your way to get a person out. You could talk your way to getting them out.

Okay.

But it's not always about being physical.

And the third way you list it.

I don't remember when I said it. Act as. Oh, absolutely. You have to act as a tenant. If you act as a tenant, you have someone. You have someone act as a tenant. They sign the stipulations, and the lawyer is going to draw up the stipulation where he's going to say, we're going to process eviction without any further notice. And if payment is not received within 30 days, nine times out of 10, that tenant is not going to pay within 30 days. So the courts is going to send. Is not going to send a notice to the house. So they just think everything is fine until the marshall shows up. And look at. What do they say when the monster shows up? I never got any notices. I didn't get nothing in the mail. Of course you didn't. I ain't get no check either.

And then they got to leave.

Then you got to go. All right, I get my rent money either.

For the record, I've never heard of this practice. That's if it worked. It worked. But the studio audience, I don't recommend you Guys, try that, because it may come with some legal ramifications. Up next is where we have an example of a landlord in Detroit, Michigan, who decided to be physical. And he saw his. He saw his tenant outside out on a Friday night, enjoying the. The tenant posted where they were spending a lot of money on social media. So the landlord was actively working. You can see his keys, the keychain to all the units on his belt buckle. He goes to downtown Detroit and he tries to meet the tenant, and it breaks out into a physical altercation. Let's take a look.

Look at him squaring up. Yeah.

So they decide to square up. You see the keys?

He got about 50 keys.

Yeah. Oh.

Night. Night. Oh.

Man. Spaghetti legs. This is spaghetti. Landlords unite. Did you see the. The thing of keys?

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Again, you be careful who you run up on.

You pick and choose your tickets, pick.

And choose your tenants that you go.

That you gonna go after for the rent, dude.

Six, five, and he owe me some rent money. We going to court, yo. Because, listen, I'm five things. I see your car, so don't worry about it. You know what I'm saying?

So some of them you do the trick on.

Yeah.

Some of them you could run up on.

Yeah, yeah.

So what's the height requirement for you? Like five, nine? You think you could take?

So. Nah. So I'm five three, so five, seven and better. We going at it.

You go square up.

I'm squaring up 5, 8. It depends on what your frame is like. If you thin. Yeah, we gonna square up. But 5, 9, 10, and up. Yeah, let's just. I ain't got time for that, man. Let's just go to court.

Well, this is the funniest. This is the funniest. All right, so. So what got you into building? Because now what I see mostly from you and what mostly we talk about in our developer group is the work that you're doing in Birmingham, Alabama.

So what got me into building was at one point, I was buying houses and I was renovating these houses, and it was like, you know what? It costs so much, so much time to renovate a house that I figured out, you know what? I can build the house as opposed to fixing flips. Yeah. Let me just build the house up. It's probably gonna cost me maybe $30,000 less just to renovate it, so might as well just build it. So this way the house is brand new. I'm happy with the house. Whoever sells is going to be happy with the house, and they're looking at it like, hey, you know what? I got a brand new house here.

Run some of the numbers because that's a good, that's a good concept and a good idea because America's in a housing shortage. Right? Right. We hear it all the time. We're in a housing shortage. We're in a housing shortage. Run some of the numbers by me on how a new build works.

So you can build a new house, roughly give it 2000, 2500 square feet. You can build a house for about $200,000.

Okay. Now, 2500 square feet is fairly big.

Yeah, 2000.

Nice.

You're building out the way you want it to your specifications. Right.

Okay.

And obviously, the bigger, the more it's going to cost. But any. I've built houses between 2,000, 2,500 square feet for $200,000. Right. That I can take that same house and I can sell that house for maybe $300,000.

So I'll make $100,000 based on the market.

Based on the market. That depends where you're building at.

Okay.

And interest rates and everything like that. So now I can do that or I can buy a house that may cost $500,000.

Why would I do that when you can just build.

When I could just build it for $200,000, save $300,000.

So. So the market in Alabama, you find is better than Michigan.

You know, I'm not going to say it's better than Michigan. I'm not gonna say the market is better than Michigan because Michigan has a good market. It's just that the municipalities are just not aligned together because there are a lot of properties in Michigan that you could buy. There are a lot. But if the municipalities are not together, it just makes everything harder. The contractors, if they're not together, it just makes everything more difficult. In Birmingham, contractors, they, they want to work.

Yeah.

You know, this is a job for them. This is what they do. This is not. Let me just fix something up right quick and go work on the next house. No, they get busy.

Here's what I see the main difference is, and I didn't know this prior to entering the Midwest. In the south, in the north, the south and the far West. Right. Every Home Depot has people there ready to work. You go at 6 o' clock in the morning, you can find a roofer, you can find a carpenter, you can find a plumber if you had to.

Yep.

In the Midwest, let's just say Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, they're, they're very much so black And I don't see a bunch of Mexicans at the Home Depots there. Are you finding the same thing?

Absolutely. I am finding the same thing. There are not a bunch of Mexicans at the Home Depots in Birmingham, Alabama. But there's brothers, there's people that look like us, and they work it.

In the Midwest, you found in.

In Birmingham.

Okay.

But in the Midwest, in Detroit, it. No.

So, so your crew, your subs that you're hiring in Alabama are black.

Absolutely.

I love it. I love it. My builder is black to the two that I work with.

And I'll tell you this, I will be very cautious to have builders in Detroit. Bill, for me, I hate to say it. I mean, there are people. I love them. I love my people to death. I want to see everybody win. But when it's time to build, they're the most scamminess people ever.

Detroit.

Oh, my God, I hate to say it.

All right, so, so, so here. Do this for us. But because we, We. We have properties in Detroit, do this for us. Give us two things that you can do to protect your. To protect people from being ripped off. In Michigan.

In Michigan, one thing that you should do is definitely do your due diligence in terms of vetting who works for you. Get a license. Contractor. Do not go to Home Depot. Do not go to Home Depot and find your contractors in Detroit, because nine times out of 10, you're going to get robbed.

Okay, cool. So bet. Do your due diligence. Vet them, and you say, don't get them from Home Depot because they're not licensed. Or at least if you do go to Home Depot, make sure that they're licensed.

Right? And, you know, and even if you. Because there are some really talented, you know, brothers out there in Detroit that can really get the job done, just don't pay until the work is done.

Well, that's.

I mean, that's kind of hard. It's going to be a challenge. But, you know, pay as little as you can as the work gets done. A lot of people go out there and these guys sell them dreams and say, I'm going to do this in this amount of time, do this, that. And third, and they don't do anything. Once they get some money, they go on to the next project somewhere else.

Okay, so when you build, one of the things I hear you talk about in our development meetings that we go to is that you have the money to do the work upfront and you get paid on the back end. A lot of times, contractors, the subcontractors that we hire out or the subcontractors that don't have that liquidity. They have to charge something up front.

Yeah, they have to charge. I'm not saying don't. I'm just saying be very careful.

Okay.

You have. Yeah, they're not going to work for free. They're not going to do, you know, they're not going to start working, not get anything. But just be very careful.

So for the first time last week, I recently announced that I'm doing a national conference called let's build Birmingham. February 21st to February 22nd. We're doing a conference for the first time anything of its kind in history. We, we're going to have builders in one room, architects, attorneys, title attorneys, trust attorneys, the realtors, as well as the site prep teams that are in place. We're going to have everything that you need to be able to pick, purchase, profit and protect your first real estate investment property. So for the first time I want to ask you, Manny Clark, the builder.

Yes.

Will you be at the conference?

The answer is yes, I will be at the conference.

What does your schedule look like for like Q1 and Q2 of 2025?

I'm available. And if anyone is looking to get a house built at Birmingham, Alabama, suggest you give me a call. I can be reached at 205-994-6594. I say that one more time, 205-994-6594.

Can you build in the whole state?

I can build in the whole state of Alabama.

Your license in the whole state of Alabama?

Whole state of Alabama.

Do you cover any other areas outside of Birmingham? Like would you go up to Huntsville? Would you go down to Mobile?

I would. For my people, for someone that needs the house bill, we'll go anywhere.

You'll cover the whole state?

We'll cover the whole state.

Awesome, man. That goes there.

And then not only that, I mean, we have the capacity where we can build 8, 10 houses at a time. Okay, so we'll go anywhere.

And how does that work? Like you tell me, how does that work?

So we just stagger everything out. So as we working on one house, we can work on 10 houses at a time. But like I said, we'll stagger everything out. We'll start something in house one and just keep moving it all the way across the house type.

So you'll do foundation. Foundation. Foundation. Foundation.

Exactly. Framing, framing, framing all the way across the board.

So is there like a 10 week lag or is it. Can they all kind of like be built.

They all can be built pretty much simultaneously.

Nice. All right, Cool. Give that number one more time, man. This is going to be awesome.

Yes. That number is 205-994-6594.

Can't wait, man. Thank you for thank you for joining the team to today. I appreciate you coming in and and sharing some unique, interesting game on being a landlord in New York City across the country, what you should and should not do to get your people out. I appreciate you coming, man.

Thanks for having me, bro.

All right. So that wraps up this episode of the Real Estate Newsroom with Charles Noonan and guest host Manuel Clark. Thank you.