"The Hidden Artists"- Episode 10 with Tyler Gibgot

I am Natalie, and this is Tyler.

Hey everybody.

So welcome to the 10th episode of Hidden Artists.

Thank you for having me, Natalie. I really, really am happy to be here.

Of course, thank you. I am running on 3 hours of sleep. I just had a presentation, honestly a Zoom call with a research professor describing her 50-page research paper, so this is a great transition into the day. Anyways, uh, this is Tyler and we both go to USC. Um, so I met Tyler at one of the performance art committee and that was when I was like, wait a minute, you know, you look familiar. Um, and that was when I realized that I'd come across one of his, uh, videos on Instagram when he showed his magic card trick, which I did not realize until you showed me your trick. And It's not just about the fact that you do magic. You do so much more than that. And I'm not going to spoil the magic for you because that's not what I'm here to do. I want you to tell everyone out there more about yourself in your own words.

Absolutely. Yeah, well, before we get started, you want to see something real quick?

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, here, I'll show you something quick. Everybody can see the different cards. They're all mixed. You can see them all too, right, Natalie?

Yes.

Everybody can see the cards. Why don't you take the cards, Natalie? Just the whole deck.

Okay.

Yeah, and just shuffle it. Yeah, just give it a couple cuts. It doesn't really matter.

Okay.

Yeah, a bunch from the top to the bottom. It doesn't matter.

Yeah.

And you know what? It's unfair because I can see where you're cutting. Take them behind your back.

Okay.

Careful they don't spill or anything like that. Just give them a quick mix behind your back.

All right.

And whenever you're good, whenever you're like satisfied, You'll take a card behind your back and just sit on it, top or bottom.

Okay, just sit on the card?

Yeah, it doesn't matter. Make sure I can't see anything.

Okay.

Yeah, we don't need the rest of the cards. So the whole point of this, Natalie, is that before this began, you know, you shuffled behind your back, you put a random card that you didn't even look at behind your back. So there's no way that I could even know it. You agree?

Right, agreed.

I could be wrong. Remember, you shuffled behind your back. Ace of clubs. That's my thought. You can take it. Let's see. I don't know.

I am guessing it's gonna be that, but let's see.

Was that it? Ace of clubs. Why don't you show everybody?

This is the card.

After taking a card at random and shuffling it, sitting on it, it was the ace of clubs. This is it.

Tyler doing his magic right there.

Well, let's try something interesting with the ace. Because you picked that, it sort of calls out to you, right? You didn't even see it when you picked it.

I did not.

But It just sort of called out to you. We'll try something with the ace. What I'll do is I'll leave it about middle so everybody can see that going in.

Yes.

Okay, every time I hit the cards, the card will actually jump right back to the top.

Got it.

Isn't that weird?

Yeah.

Here, we'll try that again. I want you to really see this. Okay, so we take the ace of clubs that was yours, and I'll leave it again about middle. So does that look like it's going in?

Yeah.

Is it on top?

Let's—

the card's not on top, right?

No.

Well, I want you to just watch this card. If I take the king here, watch the king, everybody. If I just take it and I just shake it like that, it starts to sort of resemble the ace. See that?

I see it. Yeah.

Just a couple sleight of hand moves I wanted to show you. But yeah, like you said, I'm a magician, as you can tell, and I've been doing magic for a couple of years now, and I really started it over the pandemic. So when I came to USC, it was like this whole new world of meeting people and getting the opportunity to actually show what I love to people after not having done it in so long, you know, because of COVID and I couldn't go out and show people in person. So it was a great way to meet you, you know, just doing it at the Performing Arts Committee. I've been trying to really establish myself here at USC, not only as a magician, but, you know, just as someone who loves art and someone who loves creativity and expressing myself through that medium. Like you said, you know, this is not just about magic. It's not just my whole identity, but you know, there's a whole bigger picture here. I'm just someone who loves telling stories, and I think that's, that's what magic is to me.

Honestly, the first time I met you, you showed me your magic and I was like, holy shit, that's so amazing. Because I was like, wait a minute, like, you know, the very fact that magic not only is a way of of telling people more about— it's not more storytelling, but it's also about meeting new people and understanding them. Absolutely. And why don't you tell everyone out there that you also study—

Cognitive science. Yes. Like psychology. Yeah, so it's interesting because the first couple years I was doing magic, I was so focused on learning sleight of hand and performing for people. And ever since I got to USC, I realized that there's this whole new aspect and element of magic, like the side of psychology, right? There's actually a way to utilize magic to give insight into our human psyche, you know, parts of our brain that even doctors and scientists don't understand. Magicians like myself are masters of manipulating the brain, you know, our cognitive processes like attention, perception, and awareness. And so All of those different kinds of things I'm so fascinated by. You know, why are people so susceptible to magic tricks? So that element of magic is so interesting to me. Not just the reactions I get out of people, but you know, the science behind it all, the psychology. I think that's really cool, and I'm really curious to dive deeper into that whole side of it.

Got it. It's so interesting to me when you told me you studied cognitive science, and to see the way you applied it into magic. I mean, honestly, a lot of people, you know, end up either, you know, studying more about how to become a psychologist or maybe end up doing research, but you ended up, you know, applying it to magic and actually testing how you could not manipulate, but like see how different people react to different things that are very, very, very unexpected, you know. And I mean, it's all about reading people's minds, but the way you do it is without them even realizing they're doing it, which is funny and amazing at the same time. So what I am curious about and what I know everyone else is curious about is how do you get started? What inspired you to get into this?

Well, like I mentioned before, I started this in late, you know, around mid to late 2019 and then especially picked it up during 2020 when the pandemic started, um, really picking up. And it was troubling at first because I couldn't go out in person and show people. Um, and ultimately during the pandemic, I just needed an escape. The pandemic really affected everybody differently. And so for me to be cooped up in my room without much social interaction, it was hard and I needed a muse. And I picked up a deck of cards and realized that this was the best escape for me. It was the best way to express myself to people, even though I couldn't see people in person. What I would do is I would go on these online forums, like some of you may have heard of Omegle or other websites where you can sort of talk to people online all around the world, and I'll perform for people in there after all my Zoom classes every day. And then as the pandemic progressed, I realized that I wanted to use this for an even greater purpose, not just to show strangers or my friends and family, but I wanted to give back to people. So I started performing for a children's hospital. I got in contact with Mount Sinai Children's Hospital in New York, I reached out to them and began working with them in late 2020. And that really made this magic thing for me real. It turned it from a hobby to a purposeful activity that I could actually pursue because I realized that I had now just assigned so much meaning to it. You know, these kids are facing such great adversity. So to be able to even put a smile on one of their faces was all the fulfillment I needed.

Honestly, when you showed me your Instagram, like the first time I met you, and when I saw that you actually, you know, did this thing for children's hospital, which was what really inspired me and was like, wait a minute, I've got to have you on here because you transform the way people use magic in such an amazing way to bring joy to people's lives, to bring joy to lives of children who are suffering and with so much misery in their life. And not just children, but also doctors, you know, who need escapism a way to, you know, find joy in their lives. I mean, I know they do what they do, but— and the fact that you were doing this while being stuck at home during COVID is what really inspires me because, I mean, a lot of people saw COVID as a way of, you know, feeling miserable of being stuck at home, but you did that all while, while managing classes. Zoom.

Yeah, absolutely. You know, I, I— for me as a person in general Beyond magic, I really try to see the best in every situation. So although COVID sort of posed a lot of obstacles and challenges for people in terms of relationships and work and all of those really fundamental parts of people's life, I wanted to see this more as an opportunity to explore sort of a hidden part of myself, a part of myself that maybe was suppressed being out in high school and having to deal with all that, for me personally, it was, you know, an experience that allowed me to get to know myself better and what I'm capable of. So I'm grateful to have picked magic up when I did and also now be part of such an amazing community at USC where I'm around so many like-minded magicians who are now some of my best friends as well.

Honestly, Like the very fact that you said that you started out with magic and now have this whole magic club out there, which you invited me over for it last— I went for it last Wednesday, right? Yeah, a day before. Yeah, show me all these magic tricks back again.

Yeah, a couple days ago.

Yeah, which was amazing. And it, it started with you, right? It started with you, and now there's this whole group of magicians who are your training. Just so amazing.

Yeah, so when I came to USC, the club sort of comprised of 2 or 3 magicians who were upperclassmen, and it wasn't much of an organization yet. That's mostly because of COVID You know, when I got to USC as a freshman in 2021, COVID was still pretty rough and barely anything was even in person. Um, and I got in touch with these guys, the few magicians that I, that like I noticed were at the school, and I was like, hey guys, let's try to expand this now that classes are finally going in person and everything is sort of dying down with COVID let's try to make a community here. Um, and so they were all for it. So I decided to take the initiative of creating the social media for the Magic Association here at USC so that people who are into magic at this school but don't have a platform to share their passion for it and their interest in it, um, so that they could also participate and feel like they're part of something and that they belong. And so I decided to make the social media, and it only grew from there. You know, people started to find it who loved Magic too, or people who didn't even know much about Magic but were curious about it and wanted to learn more. And ever since then, we've gone from 2 or 3 members to over 300. 300 followers on Instagram, and now in each meeting around 10 to 20 people. It really varies every week. You don't need any experience with magic to join. You— it doesn't matter who you are, your gender, age, race, background. Like, we really want everybody to feel like they're welcome here because magic is such a universal language. No matter what language you speak, no matter where you come from, it's one of those art forms that's so unique in that it brings all people together in such a beautiful way. You know, everybody who's watching a magic trick is enjoying it in one way or another, and they're enjoying it together. And that's what's the special part about it. So with the club here, it's so amazing to see new people every time. And, you know, all the people that are so interested in what I do.

Um, honestly, I, you know, admire you for, you know, starting it out from like the small number that you said until how many, 200? Did you say right now?

Yeah. Well, we have over 300 followers on the Instagram, which is amazing.

Amazing.

Really grateful.

Yeah, also, um, I know a lot of us, including me, are still figuring out ourselves and figuring out what are— what are you passionate about. But, um, you already seem to be out there, you know, honestly you seem to be on the right track. But for people out there who are still figuring out who they are, what their strengths are, what they're passionate about, how did you go about starting what you are passionate about? And basically just starting with what your strengths are and how could you combine both of them to get to where you are today?

Well, I think for me especially, throughout high school, I was always very introverted. I never went out a lot. I was sort of a late bloomer in that sense, but that allowed me to really get to know myself better. Just like in COVID, I had a lot of alone time and solitude. I did too in high school. And so I've always been someone who's been very focused on my academics and my passions and interests. I've always been a very like independent thinker. So I really honed in on this passion coming to USC and feel that it's allowing me to explore new parts of myself and potentially my future and what I'll do. And that being said, I don't necessarily think that I'm any more ahead of the curve than anybody else. I think it's more so that I just, I'm very focused and I have this passion and I'm, I don't know what I'm gonna do with it. I don't even plan on being a magician necessarily. I'm not gonna pull rabbits out of hats on stages or anything like that, but All I do know is that I have something that I love and I'm very passionate about. It allows me to meet so many people who are amazing, and it allows me to really express myself. And although I don't know quite what I'm going to do with it yet, I know that it's just something that I love. And so when you have something like that in your life, you just got to follow it. Even if you don't know where it's going to take you, you just, you just follow what you love, and eventually it will lead you somewhere. If I didn't do magic, if I didn't follow what I love doing, I wouldn't be sitting with you here today, Natalie. I wouldn't have met so many great people in the Magic Club at USC. It really is just about taking it day by day, using what you love to make a difference. That's ultimately the main goal for anybody, right? They just want to be heard, they want to make a difference. So for me, I'll never use magic for, you know, monetary reasons or you know, for material wealth. It's mostly for me just putting myself out there and hopefully making a difference because I've seen how much it allows me to make a difference on the children in the hospitals and on this community at USC. And if I can just keep doing that, if I can make a difference on smaller communities and then go bigger, that's, that's the idea.

Honestly, I admire you for saying that. Like, for me, for example, like, so you said you want to make a difference in people's lives. I think the reason why I started this out was so that I could provide a platform to people, you know, who want to share their passion. And, and that's basically my purpose in life, to make a difference in people's lives. I mean, I'm doing it through different ways. And, um, for me, example, like, I figured out what my passion was when— during COVID as well. So, um, I felt lost in life and I was not sure what next to do because I had so many other options. So I turned that feeling into a screenplay that I wrote.

Wow.

And, um, the dream and goal is to have it on Netflix.

That's so cool.

But yeah, it's a little all over the place, but it will be there. But for me, I had never written a screenplay before, and so for me, there were a lot of hindrances and challenges that were on the way, but I somehow felt I could overcome them and not let that stop me. Do you think there were any challenges and hindrances that you had to overcome to be where you are at today? Because I feel like a lot of people, uh, you know, stop there and just like, okay, this is a challenge, this is a thing that, okay, just because I am, I, you know, I don't have the skill or I'm not, you know, born with these specific talents, I am not, I cannot do it. But I mean, I'm sure just like I did, and I never, I mean, I never come from a film background. None of my parents did films, or, you know. So was there anything that you had to overcome, or that you feel that you, you know, because this is something which you've never done before, right? You just picked up cards and learned it.

Yeah.

So how do you go about it, and what did you have to, what do you feel, you know, how do you get there? That's the general sense.

That's a great question you asked, and I really think it's relevant because A lot of people in the face of adversity, they'll try to give up. A lot of people try to live a life without suffering, without pain, without obstacles, and ultimately that's the hardest way to live. Thinking that life is just perfect and one smooth sail of a ride. Ultimately there's gonna be obstacles along the way, there's gonna be suffering, there's gonna be pain in some way, and all of it is different for each person. But the way you overcome is realizing that that is just a part of life, that it's inevitable, that there are gonna be obstacles that you have to overcome. And so it's about not trying to control them, but trying to control how you react to the obstacles, trying to control how you respond to the challenges that life throws your way. So for me in particular, something that makes me very different from other magicians that you may have met before, or that, you know, anyone listening may have met before, is I was born with a very rare eye condition called aniridia. I have this disability that I've had to overcome my whole life, and I feel that time and time again, time and time again I have. It's not been easy because I do live in a world where the odds have kind of been made against me. You know, a lot of our world today is very visual with media, with art, and with everything in classrooms and in college, especially for people our age. But I think ultimately it's just about finding ways to make the best out of any situation. So instead of looking at my eyes as something that's a negative thing, I look at it as my greatest asset. It ultimately gives me the incentive to work harder at everything I do, and it gives me a way to just relate to people, to, to show that I understand what it's like to go through something very difficult. Although everyone has their own different challenges, and that's what makes everybody unique, I think that having this eye condition has given me a way to just understand people better. And in terms of magic, It really is interesting because this is the first thing that I've ever picked up where I feel that it's actually leveled the playing field for me and other people. And here's why: when I'm performing a magic trick, it's like for the first time ever I can see things that other people can't see. So in that way, it's like I'm on the same level as the spectator that I'm performing for. It's like there is no visual difference between us. And it's not even about that, it's more about the fact that it creates this magical moment between us where I almost forget that I have this eye condition. Like when I'm performing magic, I feel the most alive, I feel the most present, I feel like there is no difference between me and other people, right? So not only does it provide an escape for my spectators in that, you know, everyone loves watching a trick, it brings you so much joy and the feeling of, ah, how did he do that? is just so amazing. But it also provides an escape for me, you know, from the struggles that my eye condition sometimes poses to me. Again, anyone listening, understand that whatever you're going through, it's all about using the circumstance and making the best of it, not letting it get the best of you, but understanding that it will pass and you can only use it for good if you really set your mind to it.

I honestly love that approach because a lot of people, like you said, You, you turn something that was against you to work for you. I mean, exactly. And the very fact that you did that is in itself an inspiration for everyone out there watching who thinks that, just like you said, whatever is your challenge, whatever you think is getting in your way, is something that is not in your way but something that can help differentiate you from the rest out there. Just like you said, the fact that you have this eye condition, which is what differentiates you from all these other magicians out there. And look at what you've done with it. You just started out with it as a passion.

What magic has done for me is not only helped me overcome my disability, but it's also brought me out of my social shell. It's allowed me to gain the confidence to approach people that I never would have approached before I did magic, because I was rather introverted back then. And going forward, I think the next step for me too is combining my love for magic with my love for science.

One thing, I mean, because I study stem cell biology and regenerative medicine, one thing that was coming to my head right now is how you can use magic, uh, in therapy, right? To read people's emotions. Because some people just like find it so hard to express themselves and like showcase their emotions because we all human beings are so easily deceptive that whatever is going on in our head, we will literally just like, you know, not show it. But, uh, so, so you said that you want to work on research with magic, using— combining your passion for magic and science?

Absolutely. So having this visual impairment is interesting because that in itself has given me the motivation to learn more about our visual system and our brains So then when I found magic, it was like it accelerated that passion of mine, that interest of mine in terms of academics, because magic really does provide like this sort of portal into a whole new world of science, and it gives insight into how we think and how we behave as humans. So anyone can practice and learn sleight of hand, but not everybody can perform magic. There's a very big difference. Because again, magic, it's a feeling. It's like love in a way. Magic and love are very similar things because they both induce wonderment and excitement and enthusiasm and even confusion sometimes and frustration. But magic, it's also the moment you realize you've met a new best friend. It's the moment you've realized that you just heard a song that will probably become your new favorite song. It's The moment that you accomplish something incredible in life, like that hit of dopamine and intense adrenaline, that's what magic is to me at least, and I think to other people too. So exploring that, it's amazing because feeling magic, there's nothing quite like it.

I mean, I honestly like what he said that because like magic is I feel like more than you finding magic, magic found you.

Exactly, that's a great way of putting it.

And you put it out there for us to experience that, which is amazing.

Yeah.

And also, like you said, I mean, for me, I was in my head all the time, although I was listening to you and I'm not being disrespectful at all, but I have anxiety and that makes it hard for me to, you know, not focus on all the chatter that's going on in my head right now, which is why I do this, because I knew that my purpose and my reasoning behind this was so much bigger. What I do, then what, what my mind tells me about me. But what I appreciate you saying that is that magic is a way of getting people to feel that dopamine. Because even though I don't do that magic, when you were pulling out that trick and when you were doing it, it bought me out of my head because I was focused more on what you were doing and what trick you were trying to show me and be surprised by it, rather than that mental chatter that was going on my head. So that's an interesting thing that I really Even though I was not performing the magic, I felt the dopamine right there. I felt the adrenaline right there in me. So I appreciate you for doing this, and I appreciate everything that you're bringing out there, because what you're doing is so amazing. One thing I'm really curious to know is that, you know, how do you, how do you balance doing whatever you do right now alongside school, alongside all these other experiences that we as young adults or whatever we may are going through? How do you do that?

As cliché as it sounds, if you love what you do, you won't work a day in your life. So I don't ever consider magic to be an obligation. I don't ever consider it to be a burden. Magic is one of those things, it's just part of who I am. It's not the whole picture. That's kind of a misconception because a lot of people get to know me as the magic guy because they've seen my magic tricks. And then that's sort of it. But magic is simply the surface of who I am. It's not the whole picture. So I really want people to understand that about me.

I honestly appreciate you saying that. One of the main reasons why I asked you is because I myself am in the science space. I study stem cell biology and regenerative medicine. You study cognitive science. So a lot of times people try to box us in thinking that, oh, you know, oh, this is the path you're gonna take. Either, you know, study a master's degree, get into, you know, get into research or whatever it is. I mean, that's how everyone goes, you know, takes a streamlined path, you know, gets a job, gets married, has, has kids. I mean, and that's it. I mean, that's the part that people try to box you in, but there's so much that you can do, and you are a perfect example of that. I, I do this, I draw the screenplay, and people, you know, people think it's crazy, but it's all related to who you— what are you passionate about and what is it that your purpose and your values are. So I really appreciate you for saying that, because for everyone out there who thinks that they're doing multiple things at once. It— and for people who try and judge them for that, I mean, you can be a polymath in this day and age. You have the internet. You're a perfect example of that, right? You just turn your passion into something so much more bigger than just, um, just a bunch of magic cards. It's so much more bigger than what you do, right?

Yeah. And it's, it's like I said before, it's one of those things where I never even would have thought it was going to bring me that far. You know, I started magic as just something like it's a hobby, you know, something that I did during COVID and it turned into such a big part of who I am. And so when you have something like that that you love, if it's a sport, if it's dance, if it's singing, if it's art, whatever it is, just really focus on that, you know, in the midst of everything else. That thing that you love, you should never see it as an obligation, as something that you should dread. You should always see it as just something that will— you can always return back to, to bring you joy. And if you have something like that, you'll never need to worry about, "Oh, I need to do this, I need to do that." It's more like, "I want to do this." I would call magic an obsession of mine. I'm obsessed with performing, I'm obsessed with meeting new people, with telling unique stories and expressing myself. And then again, I also remind myself, it's not all of who you are, it's not your whole identity, it's just a mere part. I appreciate you talking about your anxiety too, because, you know, like I said before, everyone has their own unique struggle. But when you realize that it's not the whole picture, that it's just a sliver of who you are, when you have something that you love, um, like biology and like me for magic, that should be the thing that motivates you. That should be the thing that, you know, by doing that, you almost forget that you have this challenge in your life. And I think that's so amazing about passion. To see the world as something meaningless and turn that into something where you see the world as nothing but meaning. As a life full of purpose, as a life full of genuine value. So when you have something like that, it really overtakes you in a beautiful way.

I appreciate you saying that.

Yeah.

So for those who still are figuring out what their passion is, what advice do you have for them? What do you, like, what do you think that they could do in order to, you know, figure out what their passion is? And how can, and if they, once they figure out, how can they really move ahead and turn it into something so beautiful like you did?

Yeah, I could speak a lot on this just because I want everybody to know that I feel still very similar to how most people do. I still think about sometimes, am I doing enough? I mean, that's such a common thing for a lot of people, I think, because you look at other people around you and you think to yourself, gosh, look how much they're doing. I wish I was doing that much. I wish I was as passionate as them. I wish I was doing a lot too. Even when you have something you're very passionate about, even when you found that thing, there's still moments where you get down on yourself and you think, I probably could be doing more now. So whenever I think those things, I simply observe those thoughts. I don't resist them. And then I remind myself, well, instead of looking at what I don't have, let's think about what I do have. I do have amazing friends and amazing family and a great passion here. And if you don't have that passion, if you're missing that in your life, if you're not sure what you're quite passionate about, Maybe you're passionate about a lot of things. You, you should really just trust the process. And I know that sounds cliché, but just understand that it will take time to find that thing. Take it day by day, because a lot of people get so caught up in thinking about the long term. You know, is it going to be too late when I find that thing? You know, how long is it going to take for me to find it? I haven't found it yet. You're going to think of all these things, all these hypotheticals. Just take it day by day. Understand that it is a process. It's hard at times because you're gonna get down on yourself. Ultimately, you're your own worst enemy, and you have to just overcome that voice in your head that's telling you you're not gonna find it, you know, everybody else is doing better than you. Stay in your own lane, trust the process, and only do what you can in the moment. You have to control the controllable and just think about what active steps can you do now to, you know, affect your future in a positive way. Sometimes that means sitting on your ass and doing nothing. Other times that means reaching out to people, meeting new people, surrounding yourself with people who are gonna help you find that thing. Just keep doing what you love, keep doing what makes you happy, and give it time.

This is like exactly what I had. This is the exact conversation I had with my mentor yesterday. So my mentor Audrey, if you're listening to it, uh, shout out to you for being being the best out there. So, um, so I was telling her about how, um, you know, I was, I was tired of listening to all these, of all these rejections. I'm tired of feeling like I'm not doing enough, even though I'm literally running every day of my house. I'm literally not in my apartment except the only time I'm there is to sleep, and that's it. And, and I'm just running from places to places making things happen, and I'm just tired of things not working out my favor and just feeling like I'm not doing enough. So what she said was just take it day by day and just, you know, understand and remind yourself what is it that you're going to do today, not tomorrow, not day after. What is it that you're going to do today?

Exactly.

And do the best that you can do today because right now is all what you have, just like you said. And yeah, and if— and I'm glad that you covered whatever I was going to ask you in the next question because you literally just said that, you know, all these feelings that just come up of not being good enough. And it's okay to have them if you're having it. I have it all the time. I have it— I'm having it right now. But I appreciate you saying that because it makes everyone else who's struggling and feeling the same way feel valid and know that they're not alone in their struggles. Even though you have done what you've done, which everyone and me are amazed by, how you turned one thing, a deck of cards, into, like you said, different ways of making a difference in people's lives. But yeah, I really appreciate you for saying it out there. And I'm so grateful that you are here as a guest, and I'm sure everyone else is too.

Thank you. Yeah, it's, it's, it's been amazing. And again, just remember, it's, it's all a mindset. It's all how you look at life. You know, it's, are you going to be down on the fact that you don't have something right now, or are you going to look at the bright side and think of all the things you do have? And in time, with gratitude and with just appreciating everything you do have, appreciating the present moment, You know, you'll find that thing and just give it time. That's, that's all I can say. Um, but this has been absolutely incredible.

And yeah, before, um, before we close this, is there anything that you wish I'd asked you? And any final closing thoughts? Anything that you wish or want to put it out to the universe out there? Any collaboration that you want to make it happen? Anything that you feel is the best way to close it?

Us, from everything we've been talking about, I hope that you all listening can just take away the fact that When you have a passion and when you have something in your life that you really care about, just follow it, even if you don't know where it's going to take you. Again, I have no idea where magic is going to take me, but only time will tell. So trust the process, find your calling eventually, and stick with it, and just hope for the best.

Trust the process. Exactly right. This was great, and I really appreciate you guys for tuning in all the time, and I hope that you guys took something away from this. I'm sure I did, and I'm sure a lot of you all did too. Why am I even asking this, right? Um, thank you for doing this, and I hope you have an amazing day and are able to apply everything that Tyler said right now. So peace.

Absolutely. Peace out, you guys.

Right on to all those Trojans watching it.

Thank you all for watching.