029 - Conquer Series

Welcome to the Pure Desire podcast, where we partner with you to bring hope and freedom on your journey to purity. Hey there. I'm your host, Trevor Windsor, and we're so thankful you're taking time out of your day to hang out with us. I'm here with my co host, as always, Nick Stumbo.

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That's right. Very correct. And we're joined today by the CEO of Kingdom Works Studios, Jeremy Wiles. Jeremy, welcome to the PD podcast.

Hey, guys. Thanks for having me here. Yeah, good to see you.

Am I right in saying that you're the CEO? Is that your role there?

Something like that, yeah.

Yeah. From what we've gathered, it's definitely a. You're a utility player. You do just about everything over there, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah. Kind of wear a few hats.

Yeah.

Well, cool.

Well, we're glad to have Jeremy on with us to spend some time talking today about the Conquer series. So the Conker series is. It's really a cinematic study of sexual addiction from a biblical and neurological perspective. It's a study that contains both biblical teaching and proven principles that really help individuals conquer porn and walk in freedom. And today we're going to talk to Jeremy about Kingdom Works and the backstory and history of the Conqueror series, while also discussing the way it works and really the role it plays, both in our ministry, but also really in the local church. And at the end, we'll also talk a little bit about what to expect in the future from Kingdom Works Studios. So, Jeremy, let's just get going.

Well, Jeremy, a lot of our listeners might not know a lot about you or Kingdom Works or where you're at. I mean, you mentioned you're in Florida, so give us a little bit of your story and background. Just let our listeners know a little bit about you.

Yep. So I live in South Florida. I'm married to my beautiful wife, tiana. We have two children, Avalon, who's turning 4 in March, and Landon, who just turned a year old. So life is good. We've been in Florida for about 10 years now. I previously lived in Texas, and I grew up in the state of Maryland. It's a cold state to live in. It's supposed to be warm down here right now. You expect Florida has sunny skies all year round, but this is not the most pleasant weather for us. I know for you guys, it's probably like, what, -18 right now.

Yeah, not quite, but, yeah, I'm sure it feels like minus 18 to you guys over there in Florida only being 40 degrees, so. Well, okay, Jeremy. So, man, why don't you just tell us a little bit about the story behind Kingdom Works, I mean, and how it all got started.

It's kind of interesting. Well, when I. When I was growing up and I had an interest in Noah's Ark, and when I graduated college, I heard about a team of scientists that were planning to visit and research a site in eastern Turkey that had the potential of being the Ozark. Actually. I convinced them that I could go and film their expedition. And even though I had no experience behind the camera, they were kind enough to let me go along and shoot this scientific research in Turkey. So once I returned home from that trip, I started planning my next trip, and I continued shooting this documentary over the next eight years. And I traveled to dozens of countries, and I was tracking stories of the Great Flood and different cultures around the world. I went back to Turkey a few more times, and I was searching on Mount Ararat for the ark. And all the while, I was shooting TV commercials, and I was using that income to pay for my travels around the world. Then there's this one Sunday morning I was at church, and my pastor said that nearly 70% of men were struggling with porn. I remember leaning over to my wife at that time and I said, we really need to do something about this. Then on the drive home that day, we just kind of started talking. Why isn't there any resource to help guys in this area? I knew nothing about pure desire, and I knew nothing about Dr. Ted and this kind of. I think that God really planted this seed in us right at that. At that moment. And something started to grow in our minds. And I remember I said, look, you know, if we ever created something to help guys, I'd call it the Conquer series. And it was in that moment we said, okay, you know, let's do it. Let's just. Let's give it a shot. Yeah. And so a few days later, my wife said, well, what is this thing gonna look like? And we took a few days and traveled to a little vacation home. And we. We stayed there and came up with this idea of what the Conquer series is gonna look like. And. And the theme for the whole series, which was going to be based around a military war type of analogy. And I said, well, to really make this thing work, we're going to have to find someone who is a veteran of the war, and they're going to have to lead a ministry who's helping guys in this area.

It's very specific.

Yeah. And I honestly said that, what are the chances that you can find that guy? And she came back later that day. She said, hey, look who I found. And so she starts describing Dr. Ted Roberts, Vietnam vet, Marine fighter pilot, leads a ministry called Pure Desire. And I said, that's it. That's him. Let's get him on the phone right now. And I literally caught up Ted right there at that moment, and I pitched this idea to him. And Ted says, nah, I'm not interested. I said, what?

Come on, it's a match made in heaven. Do you not understand this?

He said, you know, there's too many documentaries out there, and they talk about the problem. I'm not interested in talking about the problem. I said, well, I'm not going to talk about the problem. I want to talk about a solution. I just want to partner with you guys. Let us do what we do, and we'll take your message and we'll make something that helps guys. I think he said something like, okay, yeah, let's do that. Let's give it a shot. So we were off to the races at that point. And Ted's been a huge blessing ever since. To the project.

Yeah. For everyone who knows Ted Roberts, they know he can be opinionated about things, and that's good and bad because he's passionate and clear about what God's called him to do. And sometimes that means a very loud no to things, but a yes to other things. And we're certainly glad he said yes to the to the Conqueror series and that you guys began to create that work together. And I know early on that you also had to pitch to him kind of the background he describes it as. He kind of tested you, like, well, where are we going to shoot this at? And tell us a little bit about that interaction.

Yeah, well, we weren't quite sure exactly how this was going to work. We knew we had a general idea of what we were going to do with the Conquer series. But, you know, with these big projects, you kind of figure things out as you go. And I like to say that we knew everything right up front, but we really didn't. And so we had this idea that we were going to find a big building and put jet fighters in it. And we were going to bring Ted in with a group of guys, and he was going to teach these guys. And I think when I told him that he was like, okay, yeah, I'm on board now and stand in front of an A4 Skyhawk and teach about sexual integrity. That ticked that box. But he still wasn't sure if kind of we were the real deal. What's going on here? And I think it wasn't until he actually flew to Florida and it was the day before we had to go on set to shoot this. And he sat down with my wife and I and our small film crew that he realized, hey, these guys are legit. And I think we're actually gonna do this now. Yeah. Yeah.

That's cool. Well, so, I mean, the Conker series, I mean, I love it. I mean, I think it's, it's one of the, the coolest things out there when it comes to this topic. I mean, you know, the, the, the ability to both tell a story while also teaching and giving principles, I think is awesome. But let's just dive kind of into that. Like, how does the Conqueror series work and what does the Conqueror series do? Just talk about that.

It's basically a boot camp. And so as you guys know, there's a lot of information that comes in play when you're talking about leading men in into sexual integrity. Most guys want this quick fix, this silver bullet. I checked the box, okay, I did that. Now I don't watch porn anymore. And that's not how it works. The Cocker series is kind of like. I don't want to call it a crash course because it is in depth, but it is a crash course in some ways. It gets you up to speed. But the purpose of the Cocker series is it leads you through a 30 minute program each week. You're going to follow along with a group leader within a group of guys. It's got a study guide that goes along with it in a journal. But the goal is to move you out of the Conquer series into a long term process. That's where the real healing comes in place. If guys can get a grasp of the neurological processes, the addictive route, what drives behavior, those functions, fundamental things, you know, breaking denial structures. If they can come to an understanding of that in a short week, a short term course like the Conquer series, then when it moves them into a long term process like the seven Pillars course that you guys have created, they're much further ahead. And I think their chances of breaking that bondage in their lives is much higher that point. That's really the idea behind the Conquer series.

Yeah, we've seen that all over the country as we travel and present our seminars. And Present in churches in the years past, churches would really wrestle with, boy, how do we start this? And by and large, the only churches that were really being real effective in starting healing groups for men and women were those where there had been some kind of significant crisis. So the church knew we have to do something and those churches could get momentum. But so many churches we're wrestling with, it's just so hard to convince men or women that this is an issue we're dealing with. And it's going to take some time. And as you know, with the seven pillars curriculum and our women's curriculum being eight, nine, ten month groups, I mean, people hear about that and it's like, well, shoot, who wants to sit in a group for 10 months to talk about your sexual issues? In no way. But the Conquer series has been that, that angle where a church can stand in front of their congregation and say, this is for everybody, every single man in our church to see. Because even if you've never struggled, you need to be equipped, you need to be trained. It's obvious this is a major issue in our society and in the church and God needs to equip us. So we want everybody to come. And because it's short enough, we see that happening and churches will just say over and over, man, that was so good. Because people would say over and over. I'm seeing this topic in a whole new way. I'm processing it differently than I did. I understand why I can't just try harder and stop. And then through that, people are making their way into the long term healing groups. And so we really want to say thank you to you and Kingdom works because that has been so instrumental in people being able to face the issue and in a manageable time frame and in a medium, through a video that really is attractive and helps people engage, that then they can look into their own heart and see what's needed for that long term healing. And so it's been such an incredible bridge product that takes people from the need to the solution. And it just does seem like this was God's idea because he knew that there were some solutions out there, but that very few people were understanding how to access them. And it just seems like he put that on your hearts with this video series. And so we've been thrilled to get to partner with you guys and just watch how it's being so effective as that bridge.

Yeah, yeah.

It's been a real honor to partner with you guys as well. The series wouldn't be half of what it is without Dr. Ted in pure Desire. It really wouldn't. What God birthed in Ted's heart through Pure Desire has just been. It's made such an impact in the guys who've watched the Conker series because, you know, as you guys know, Ted's been doing this for several decades now. And so he took all that knowledge that he's had and he packed it into a number of DVDs. That and content that can help guys through this, this battle.

Well, and this is, this is what I've explained a couple different things. One, I feel like this, and this is the way I've explained it to people who come to our events or who we interact with when describing the Conquer series is that really it's the on ramp to getting onto the freeway of healing. So it shows you that there's. That you can get on this actual highway to hope and to freedom from addiction. And it gets you up to speed. And then, you know, Jeremy, as you were saying, really, you got to get into a long term recovery process, whatever that may look like, whether that's pure desire or something else. But Conquer series, I remember for me just was so much information and I was almost, I was almost thankful that I got hit with that like, fire hose of information because then it's like, wow, this is so much more deeper than just, you know, my struggle that I have, you know, day to day, week to week. This is something that's like deep down into my heart and has affected my brain. And I think that that's what's one of the coolest things about it, is you mix. And I'm an artsy guy, so this is how I relate to it. But it's, you know, you're mix, you're mixing storytelling, which is compelling, and people connect with story. We see that through the life of Jesus while also taking research and statistics that we see. And really you're looking at the biology and neurochemistry of how our bodies work. And you're coupling all of that together with a biblical foundation. And it's just amazing to see, really. If you take a step back, you see how God has designed everything to work together. And when one piece or a couple pieces are off or skewed, it starts to affect the whole body. And so it's just really cool to see that you guys have taken this approach where it's not just a lecture series, it really is a cinematic. You're telling the story of Ted's life while also really peppering it with testimony, with other experts in the fields talking about the nature of addiction and how and how to break it, giving the practical tools. So I feel like it really is like a slam dunk in all senses of the word, where it takes all of these different perspectives and brings it together into one palatable medium.

So, yeah, thanks a lot, man. It's a challenge because how do you take this subject of pornography and sexual addiction and get guys to show up and talk about their deepest, darkest secrets? Right? Yeah, yeah. It's like the enemy knew what he was doing when he set guys up in this area. He really did.

We found that offering food helps that before each Conquer series, you know, have nachos out, chili feed, you know, just whatever it takes to get a guy in the room, it's worth it. But it has been a slam dunk. Jeremy, what have you guys seen in terms of the numbers? How many people have gone through the Conquer series? What success have you guys seen in regards to it?

We're estimating conservatively just in terms of the response that we've had. There's probably been over a half million guys so far that gone through the course. And we know it's for a fact. It's in like 70 something countries now. And oh yeah, it's kind of a big deal. It's officially in Spanish for the first time.

Yeah, we're excited about that. We get that question quite a bit.

Yeah, yeah. That was kind of three years in the making. I don't know why it took us so long to get a Spanish version, but it did. Yeah. So it's all over the world. It's got about a half billion guys. We want it. We want to reach a million men with this.

Do you have any idea how many churches in America that represents that have purchased it, viewed it, used it with their. Their men?

I think it's probably close to 20,000 churches now.

Yeah, it's incredible.

Pretty crazy, huh?

That's so cool.

Well, and it's. The church is just a place where there really isn't a lot for this in general. I mean, if you think about really even today, the churches that are successful and are growing, like this is still a problem. It's not like the church has figured out, here's the like one and done silver bullet solution. And so the fact that, you know, this is reaching so many people is an encouragement, I think really as the body of Christ. It's an encouragement to know that we're pursuing how to get healthy in Christ and really how to stop stunting our growth. But then at the same time, it's encouraging to know that, you know, with you guys, with the partnering of Dr. Ted, have created something that's of value. I mean, something that people see and get stuff from. So we really, we're really thankful, you know, really just for all the work you guys have put into it, for sure.

Thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah.

Another great thing that we see about it is this topic at so many churches is kind of pushed to the side. It's, it's a, even if a church has an approach, it's relatively hidden. But the Conquer series, when people run the trailer, it's attractive, like to be able to bring it into the whole congregation. I think that's another one of the benefits that we've seen and it seems like that opportunity is going to even increase because, Jeremy, we know there's now the new and updated version of the Conquer series. I don't know how you guys are referring to it. Is it conqueror series, take 2?

2.0, right? 2.0.

But there's something new that's just coming out. So tell us about that. How do you guys describe it and how would you explain the changes and new features that people could look for in this?

Well, we've actually completely remade the Conqueror series. So the new two volume set includes all the original content plus several hours of new teaching from Dr. Ted. It's got new daily tools, real practical strategies, insights from new experts, several new stories. So we basically took all the content, we included it with the new release and we packed a lot more content into it. And Instead of a five week course, it's a ten week course now and the lessons are 30 minutes each. So yeah, we worked on this for over an entire year. So you can run the Cocker series as a five week course, which is volume one, or the full ten week course, which is volume one and two. Because we cut the lessons down to 30 minutes, it gives groups enough time for group discussion as well, right?

Yeah. That's awesome. Because that was feedback we were getting too, that churches are trying to use this during a Sunday school hour or during a group night where they've got childcare and limited time. And they're like, man, by the time we watch the video, there's maybe 10 minutes left for discussion. And it just increased, I think that sense of people trying to drink from the fire hose where this will give them the opportunity to really process, engage and have that meaningful community time. Because I think what happens around the table in my experience is as valuable in leading to heart change as watching the videos. It's kind of that. Both. And. And so we're excited to have that. That opportunity now. And I think there's a question out there that people are probably really dying to know, and that is that that in the first edition of this, you were actually in the filming. I don't know if everyone's aware, but that you were in a bar scene and are the person hitting someone with a beer bottle? I have to know. Did that make the cut in the new version? That's my favorite part.

Yeah. Did you see that expression I had on my face?

You were so angry.

Yeah, I should have won an Oscars.

I'm surprised you weren't nominated. But did it make the cut? We need to know. I haven't seen it yet.

I'm not taking that out.

There you go.

That's right.

That's right.

It gives me a little smile every time I would see it in the promo video.

Well, just, you know, so, I mean, I feel like, you know, Dr. Ted was such a huge piece of this. I mean, you know, you guys partnership together and really creating this. And I mean, I'm just curious, you know, kind of going a little bit off script, but can you just describe that, like, your relationship with Dr. Ted? I mean, how, you know, I know you guys, how you guys met, but really just the relationship you guys had and the impact he's had on your ministry.

Oh, gosh, it's. How do you put that into words? He's been an instrumental figure in my life personally, and with my wife Tiana, he's led us through marriage ministry. So the impact he's had, like, he's had on thousands of marriages across the country has been, you know, incredible. Yeah, of course, his. His wife Diane, she's been a huge blessing to my wife Tiana. And I just know that Ted's the type of guy, you know, Ted is super busy. He's always doing something. He's always loaded, you know, but he's the guy that, you know, if you called, he's going to answer the phone. That's just the kind of guy he is. He's always going to speak truth and wisdom into you, regardless if you want to hear it or not. And so he's always been that. That friend and mentor to me who was willing to tell me something, even though it might hurt, might hurt my ego or whatever, but he's willing to tell me because he knows, hey, if you want to grow, you want to grow spiritually, want to deepen your relationship with the Lord, you got to move past this yeah. And he's been a huge blessing in my life.

Yeah, that's cool to hear. Well, Jeremy, we know that the Conquer series, as awesome as it is and as successful as it's becoming, really, it isn't the only project you do. You are a studio. Kingdom Works studio. So what other projects are you guys working on? I mean, what else can we expect from Kingdom Works in the future?

Well, for the past three years, we've been working on a series for the wise. The men have gone through the Conquer series, and it's basically to help them navigate through the pain of betrayal. And we've also been in production of a series for married couples. And as Dr. Ted often told me, God designed marriage to do. One thing was to grow you up. Right.

Yeah.

So we've been working on both those projects, and Diane is hosting the series for Betrayed Wives, and they're both hosting the series on marriage. So we're super honored to partner with Pure Desire again to release these new series. And we know with certainty the series on betrayal will be out this year. And perhaps even by the fall, we'll have the series on marriage out as well.

Wow.

I know. When you said that, Jeremy, there's a lot of listeners that probably just got chills because they have been asking us basically since the Conquer series come out, like, when is the series for the wives? When's the series for women? And to hear you say this year, that's like, at last, finally. So thank you for just making the day for many of our listeners. Appreciate that.

Thanks, man. Yeah, it's been a long time in the making. It's time we get it done. We put a lot of work into it. We got some great stories and just the content. Well, our goal with these type of cinematic studies that we're currently is we want there to be revelation. What is something that you can learn from that you've never heard before? What can you. You know, so. And that's what Ted is great at. He's great at teaching things that you say, I never knew about, that I never knew about these shame cycles you can get caught in. Never knew about the neurology of the brain and how that affects my life, my behavior. It's incredible. Absolutely incredible. Life changing.

Well, and that's. That's one of the things you guys did so well with Conquer series, is just allowed those themes to kind of come front and center that. That I don't think anyone can see it and walk away not having some of that revelation and what they choose to do with it. Is obviously up to them. And. And not everyone's maybe ready to process it personally, but. But that revelation is there, and you've done such a great job at letting that story be told. And so, again, we're so appreciative of you, appreciative of what Kingdom Works is doing and the difference it's going to make in our. In our culture and in our world for the kingdom of God. And so we'd love to have you just share, as we do at the end of every episode here, we like to ask the question, what's some final encouragement you would give to anyone who's listening today? And maybe they're having a struggle of their own. They're battling through addiction to sex, pornography, to love. What encouragement would you want to leave listeners with today as we wrap up this podcast episode?

Well, I would say first that there's hope, real hope. Most often, men find themselves in a cycle of shame where they go through a binge purge cycle, they act out sexually, they feel the shame, and they go back to what made them feel shameful. So they continue in this vicious cycle of acting out. It's important to know you're not going to break that cycle on your own. It's like trying to do brain surgery on yourself. So you have to get into a process. As Dr. Ted says, you need a qualified flight leader, someone who can lead you through that battle, because that leader is going to help you find the limbic lies that were set up in your soul, usually from a really early age. I heard this story recently about this young boy, his name was Mike, who had a fascination with pigeons. And he grew up in a broken family. When he was two years old, his father abandoned the family. His mother and siblings moved from Brownsville, I think it was New York, to Brooklyn, obviously a neighborhood with high crime, and he was often the target of bullying. But he found peace and solace in raising pigeons as a kid. As a teenager, one day while he was handling pigeons, he had this pigeon collection, I guess, and it was kind of like a hobby for him. So one day while he was out playing with his pigeons, a group of other boys showed up and started trouble. And one of the boys grabbed a pigeon and they yelled at Mike, or Mike yelled back at them, hey, give me back my pigeon. Well, this boy was a lot bigger than Mike. And the boy said back to Mike, well, you want it back? Sure. And he ripped the head off the bird and threw the lifeless body of the bird back at Mike. Well, obviously, Mike lost it, and he went after the kid and just beat the snot out of him. And it was at that moment Mike said he'd never let anyone treat him like that again. He'd never be bullied. A limbic lie had said in his soul, people hurt me, so I hurt them first. And so his heart was filled with anger. And as he grew up, he was arrested over 30 times. He was convicted of rape. He spent years in prison. And this little boy, Mike, went on to become the heavyweight world champion of the world. And Mike Tyson still today raises pigeons. I don't think you need to be a clinical psychologist to realize that Mike probably struggles with anger today, but anger is a secondary emotion. Fear is what's really going on. There's a little boy there on the inside who is afraid, and he's learned to survive in a very cruel world. He doesn't want to be bullied, but he's got massive wounds from his childhood. He lost his dad. He grew up in an abusive family. He was bullied. And right where you're wounded, as Ted always says, right where you're wounded is where the enemy plants a lie. So this process of healing is not about sinning less. God is not obsessed with your sin. He died for that sin. He wants to see you healed in depth. And to do that, we have to obey his word. Love one another, care for one another, confess your sins to one another, bear one another's burden. That's discipleship. And that's the core of coming out of bondage to sexual sin. And that's doing that will literally renew the structure of your brain. So if you're struggling, then reach out to pure desire. Find a church that has a pure desire group or a conquer group and get started in the journey, because that's the beginning of the process in coming out of sexual bondage.

Yeah.

I've got to say, Jeremy, I think that is the best final encouragement we've ever had, certainly the best story ever told at the end. So thank you for using such a great illustration that clearly portrays why this battle is so much more than trying harder. And the Conqueror series helps people see that. And I think that'd be my encouragement to everyone listening is if you haven't watched the Conqueror series, you need to get it. You need to watch it. And even if you say, well, I never struggle, or your struggle is so rare that you don't think it's a big deal, maybe it's not about you. Maybe, like I said earlier, it's about being equipped and trained, because it could be about Your son or your brother or a friend or someone in your church that you could walk alongside. And then you might find as you watch it that God wants to do something in your heart too. Because just like you shared that story, Jeremy, maybe our issue didn't become pornography, but I think for every man there's those places where the issue became something, whether it's anger control, workaholism, that we're using it really to try to meet the need. And the need is illegitimate because it's coming from a lie. And the Conqueror series can really help a guy understand that. And if we can get men who are following Christ to understand the lies that are driving them, the fear, and instead find renewal of the heart and mind and have their life really be driven by Christ, the church will be transformed. And so whatever it takes to engage and to get at this material, I'd say go for it. And I hope listeners are really encouraged in that today.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, as you guys are talking about this, really this, the final encouragement, if I'd give any, would just be to really understand that spending 10 weeks in the Conquer series is not going to solve your addiction. You really have to do work. I mean, you cannot. I would love, I would love it if all of my problems could be solved and reading one book, watching one movie, going through some cinematic study. But the reality is, unless you put in the work and unless you surround yourselves with men and women who love Christ and are self aware enough to talk to you about your problems and how to work through them and you start to understand where you're at in your head and your heart, nothing's going to change. And so to make sure that we do want you to go watch the Conquer series because it's going to turn light bulbs on you didn't know were there. And it's going to create self awareness that is brand new. And you got to do something with that. You can't just sit on your hands and expect to change. You got to get up and you got to move and you got to go. And that's just, that's what I would encourage people is just don't look at this as a silver bullet, because it's not. The only silver bullet is to work hard and to work smart in getting healthy. And you have to do that in community with other men and women in Christ.

Yeah, well said. God doesn't want us to stay stagnant in our faith and to remain as pygmy Christians. Yeah. He wants to grow us up. And discipleship is A process. And it's not, you know, like the church. A lot of times they look at discipleship like a drive through, a fast food drive through. I can just go in and pick that up. I. It went through my five week course. Look at me, I'm a better Christian today. Discipleship is daily. It's like Ted always says, you want to come out of this bondage, you've got to put in the work every single day. It's a two to five year process. Make 20, 18 that year that you actually get started. You're going to turn 80, 90 years old someday. You're going to say, I'm still stuck in acting out. I'm still a slave to lust and sin, man. Time wasted. And I'd say, the guy who is 80 years old, you got more life to live. Get free, man.

How do you want to live it?

Let's do it. Yeah, absolutely.

Well, Jeremy, dude, thanks so much for hanging out with us and talking to us about it. And really, dude, we're so thankful for really your willingness to follow God's leading. Both you and Tiana, as you, you heard the Lord specifically say, this is where I want you to go and this is the project I want you guys to do do. So thanks so much, man.

Thank you guys. Thanks for having me on your show too.

Yeah, thanks for doing fun. It's been a great day.

And if you guys are interested in learning more about the Conquer Series, visit www.conquerseries.com. you can find videos, testimonials, and tons of info on the Conquer series. And make sure also to check out all the stuff that Kingdom Works Studios is up to by going to their website, just kingdomworks.com and Jeremy, we're just thankful for you, man and appreciate you taking time with us again, man. So thank you.

Yeah, thanks, Trevor. Thanks, man.

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