100 – Looking Back, Some Favorites, and the Future

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You're listening to the Pure Desire podcast. Your safe place to find hope, healing, and freedom from sexual addiction, betrayal, and relationship issues. Hey. Hey. This is your host, Trevor Windsor. Thanks for hanging out with us today. I'm here with my co host, as always, Nick Stumbo.

I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control.

So for you listeners out there who didn't know, I walked into your office probably 10 minutes ago and you were playing that song, and I thought, hey, that's really cool. He's gonna just play that for the intro. I was wrong.

Some of my intros I have to research because I could not have told you who sang that song or when. It's the Pointer Sisters. You remember them?

I've heard of them.

From the 1970s, I believe.

Yes.

70S music is so wonderful.

As you guys can see behind Nick Stumbo, it is someone's birthday today. Today is episode 100 of the Pure Desire podcast.

100. It's awesome.

Actually, it is my birthday today on our recording, but I can think of no better way than to spend it doing episode 100 of our podcast.

Well, that's good. We're glad to hear that. We're super good. And incidentally, I am glad it was you that walked by my office when I was playing 1970s Pointer Sister music, because other people probably would have been a little confused.

Absolutely.

By my work habits in those exact moments.

Totally makes total sense. So today, obviously, 100 episodes is a milestone. Definitely, for us. We're really excited. We have been looking forward to this episode for a while. Definitely. And it's something that just briefly. I mean, let's talk about it. The podcast has been, I think, a surprise in how impactful it's been. I know you and I talk to a lot of people when we travel the country, and I think a lot of people talk about the impact it's made in their life. And I know for me, I continue to be just surprised because as you can see, we're just sitting at my desk and we're recording into a computer. You know what I mean? Like, it's this magical thing.

Well, I know we're still just in an office, but it is good to think about where we've come from. Early episodes, we were recording at a church, basically, like in a glorified coat closet. There were literally choir uniforms in the room with us.

That's right.

And baptism T shirts, trying to make it work. And we had to worry if someone was going to be walking by Outside the room, making noise. And so this is actually an improvement. But, yeah, I think about the impact. Some of it, to me, is the way that when you're on staff at Pure Desire, when this gets to become your world and your passion, and you're involved in this a lot, there are conversations we just routinely have where we'll find ourselves saying, if everybody understood this, if people knew this, if they saw this angle, if they were able to grasp these concepts, how helpful that would be. And I think over these hundred episodes, that's what we've tried to do, is just put in a conversational way a lot of the things that have just become part of the fabric of what we do and what groups do and what's happening in churches all over the country. But in a lot of ways, it is still different. It's revolutionary. It's new. It's not the way we were trained as we grew up in the church to think about sex or pornography or our bodies or relationships. I mean, it's built on that solid foundation of scripture and an understanding of who God made us to be. But. But there's just a depth of the wisdom and experience that God's blessed Pure Desire with, you know, starting with Ted and Diane. And so that's what I like about it. It just feels like it takes a lot of these team conversations we've had on trips or at Pure Desire conferences, and it now makes them available for anyone to hear and benefit from.

Yeah. And if you have listened to all 100, you are a saint.

It feels like you should prize.

You get an extra jewel in your crown, probably. But we today obviously want to talk about, really our ministry. We want to talk about and reflect a little bit on the 100 episodes we've had thus far. And then at the end, we're going to wrap up talking about the future, really of what we're doing here at pd.

Yeah. That's exciting.

You got the first question, Nick, you should ask.

We actually have questions. We do. Well, I thought we were just riffing for, like, 30 minutes.

We can. There are three topics.

Okay. So it's been 100 episodes. 100. And so we wanted to look back kind of like a lot of sitcoms do, and they'll do a best of and think about what were our favorite episodes and why. So, Trevor, you want to kick us off?

Sure. So I've written down my five top episodes, and the ones that I think match up between you and me, we'll make sure we drop them into the actual podcast episode. And you Guys can listen to little clips of those. But for me, one that, like, pretty early on, it was episode 15. We did it with Brian Roberts, and we did it on personal promises. And I just remember talking about really just the impact that scripture has made and experience when those two meet. And that's why it's one of my favorite tools that we use is just because it's so powerful in the way that it applies scripture to my life. And I just remember, I think that was the first time I told the story about. And it's funny too now thinking about it, because I've told the story in group many times since then. But I had this moment where I made this, probably one of the greatest baseball catches I've ever made in my life, and realized that I was wounded in that moment because of the response of people around me. And so I just think back to that as a powerful moment, even in my story and my recovery. But it was just an awesome time sitting down together.

Yeah. Yeah. Brian Roberts missed that guy.

We miss you, man. A couple other ones for me, singleness and addiction. We did a couple episodes with Ben Bennett and Jake Kizzick. Those guys are amazing. They work with Josh McDowell Ministry. Shout out to JMM. We love you, Gu. But that was just a good time because they're hilarious and a lot of fun. Like I said, we'll drop in some. Some clips from those guys because they're great. We did one called Mistakes Churches.

They were talkative, too.

Oh, my gosh.

I recall, we.

That's right.

And that to be two episodes.

Yes.

Like, we're only on question four, and we're hitting 30 minutes. It's like, I think this is gonna be a two part.

This is a part two.

But it was. It was great content, so I'm glad it was.

They did great Mistakes churches make. We did that with Bob. I think we did that one on the road, actually, with Bob. And that one was good because I think that our heart so often is to help the church, and sometimes it comes off as pointing a finger or a jab at them, but it's not. It really is a desire for the church to reach people. Well, in this season of Life, in this part of recovery and group guidelines, the only reason I love that one, I mean, that's a great episode, but I love that one because that's when Ashley finally used the phrase guardians of the guidelines. And obviously any Marvel fan knows that's kind of a cool little. Little jab. So Ashley's great at those. And then probably the Impactful episode for me was episode 87. We sat down with Dr. Ted and really unknowingly he walked us through experiencing the sword drill.

Yeah, we thought he was going to talk about it. We didn't know he was going to.

Make us do it. I was so nervous, so nervous. But it just was a really cool moment. I felt like scripture expanded for me in that moment and I felt like it was a real raw, totally non produced type of episode that was super cool. So those are my top five.

What do you got? You know, I didn't think to write down the episode numbers so you might have to go back through and put those in the show notes for our listeners. I think again of one with Ted and if I remember right, we were sitting at your parents house actually after recording something else and we talked with Dr. Ted about the father wound. And I love that just because it's so core to what he's taught for many years. I think it's. It combines an area that the church does know where we struggle with things, but combines it to our struggle with sexuality and pornography. And the other thing about that, just as you mentioned, sometimes Ted can make you nervous. He's so deep, he's so experienced. But there was a fluidity that where Ted was just willing to joke with us and banter and you forget how quick he is on his feet and just remember really enjoying that episode with him. And you know, I know the reality is we won't have Ted forever. I mean we all hope and pray he's got another 20 years of great ministry with us. But I think that's one of those episodes that I'll always hold on to is some great ministry with Ted.

Yeah, that's good.

Another one that comes to mind we did with Rodney Wright. It was called Pastors and Pornography. And that was one we recorded at like 11:00 clock at night in Dutch Pennsylvania.

And we were in Intercourse, Pennsylvania, close to it.

I don't think the hotel was actually an intercourse. But yes, we did drive there the next day. Yeah, you got me off course now.

That's okay. It was a great episode. It was like we had been traveling all day.

Yeah, it was. We're like, we're awake, let's do it now. Otherwise we're gonna have to get up and we're gonna be jet lagged and tired and grumpy. Oh gosh, let's record it. And I think it was just great to deal honestly with that topic. Another one, and this is kind of cheating because it's like Eight episodes. But I've loved doing the Frequently Asked Questions, the opportunity it gives for listeners to send in questions that are on their hearts and minds and the variety of topics, because I think no matter how many podcasts we do, there will be topics that we hadn't thought of that. But when it comes to our sexuality and our struggles, the kind of questions that come up are varied. And I think what I love about those episodes is most people simply don't have a safe.

Yeah.

Reliable place to ask their hard questions because they feel like if I bring it up with my spouse, like, why do you want to know that? Or if I ask my pastor, they're going to give me a blank stare if I ask a counselor. Well, most people don't go to a counselor. So I just love the freedom that people have had to ask those questions. And so those are some of my favorites. And then I think of the two episodes with some guests when we had Jay Stringer, the author of Unwanted, and then Ron dehass, the founder of Covenant Eyes, just hearing their story, and both of them were willing to be so vulnerable about their own story and how God used that to take them into the roles and the ministries they have now. And so those were great. And then the last one was just having Robert and Rebecca Vandermeer in studio with us. In studio. That's what we call your office. That's.

Yeah. Code word.

And we've had a few episodes with couples, but I really appreciated the way they shared from their own story, from their counseling experiences, just on what does sex during recovery look like? And again, that's one of those topics that I think everyone deals with if they're walking through recovery from pornography or sexual addiction. But not a lot of people talk about. It's like, well, just go figure it out. And it's supposed to work. But their honesty to talk about the struggles and the pitfalls and hopefully giving couples a context for conversation, because that's what I think is so crucial, is not that you just follow four points and now you know what sex during recovery should look like, but that you understand what kind of conversations do we have so that as a couple. Because every relationship is different and every couple is different. How as a couple, can we figure this out? So that was, again, one of my favorite. And just watching them interact was a lot of fun.

It is crazy how much we've talked about. I mean, we've sat in this room, in many rooms, recording 100 episodes is a lot. And they're not short episodes. They're not like 10 minute clips.

They're all at least 30 minutes.

Yeah.

Times 100. So that's 3,000 minutes. Wow, that's. That's 50 hours.

So according to Malcolm Gladwell, we have about. We're almost. We're like a third of the way through to being experts that, the 10,000 hours thing. So little. Just a little. Just a tip right there. A little idea.

We're getting there.

So one of the things that we didn't plan on for the podcast being a popular thing are your introductions. I'm pretty sure episode one and two, we sat down. I remember we were in that weird closet at East Hill Four Square, where East Hill Church family. And the second episode, I think you said something beforehand like, oh, it'd be cool to have a different intro every single time. I don't want it to be the same. And at first we're just like, okay, cool, sounds great. And then over time, you realized that actually can be quite challenging.

Yeah. I think originally I thought it was just gonna be different versions of like, hi, hello, how are you? What's happening? But you get to about 14 or 15 of those and you're like, I've used them all. I'm done. And that's where we started to put out the appeal for listeners to send in ideas. And we've gotten a number of those. And yeah, it definitely is a surprise because that is when people mention the podcast to me, that's the number one thing they'll say is, I love your intros. I can't wait to hear what the next one is. And some of them are dumb and some are corny and some are funny, and I'm sure people would even disagree about which ones are dumb and which ones are funny. But maybe that's why people like it, because it's unexpected and totally. And I'm not afraid to just throw in whatever comes to mind. Or sometimes they've been thought through and other times, as you know, Trevor, we're sitting down, I'm like, oh, shoot, I don't have an intro.

Yeah.

And now there's this pressure because I've done 100.

Right.

What have I done? And so actually if people watch this film, they see I have a list in front of me. We've written them down every episode so.

That I can tracking them.

Well done.

Oh, my gosh. So I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, but people tell me that their favorite part of the episodes are how I respond to your introductions.

It's Good banter. For sure.

I mean, we enjoy it. So what we're gonna do right now is I'm gonna give you a list of. I have six of them. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, maybe 7.

I'm very curious about this.

Yes. And we're gonna play them right now in the video. We're gonna play them in the. In the recording. We'll make sure that they're in here. But I just want to play these because here are my top seven. The first one comes from episode 24, and this was Church Hurdles. So let's listen to this real quick.

It's a Christmas miracle.

I just want to apologize for all of our listeners out there.

This will come out before Christmas, right?

That's right. It was.

Okay, that'll make more sense that way.

All right, so two things stick out to me. One, that to me is the Jimmy Stewart voice, which I think is great, and I'm a big fan of that. But then also how quickly I was unfazed. I just went right into. I'm so sorry. Like, I can't. It just was a great. For me, it was fun. Like, whenever we get to laugh and do that, it's a good time.

It grieves me a little how often you and particularly Ashley, like, feel the need to apologize or Sam. So we love your Ashley for our listeners. Like, come on, you guys. It's supposed to be funny. Like, cut me some slack here. Why are you always apologizing for me?

Yes. Yes. So that's. That's not number one, but that's up there. And then the next one is from episode 38. So let's check this one out.

Happy Friday. Wait, is it Friday yet?

Technically, right now, it's not Friday.

It's Friday somewhere. Yeah.

So maybe Pure Desire's version of it's five o' clock somewhere. Yeah, it's Friday somewhere. It's Friday somewhere. It was creative, and I tend to think it's just gonna be one and done. And sometimes I jump in and then you continue. And so this was fairly early on where I learned. Okay, there's. Sometimes I need to leave. That's right. Okay, so that's the second one. Third one is probably one of my favorites.

Let's play ball.

Anybody who knows me knows that baseball is my sport. I played it for a long time, had a great career. I don't know if great's the right word, but had a decent career in baseball. And anytime that we talk baseball or anytime we talk, I mean, for you, it's the Minnesota Twins, which we were just having a conversation. They're not doing too bad so far, but let's not. Let's not get into it so far. But I just love that baseball is a part of it, so.

And I think that is one of the couple of greetings that I inadvertently repeated before we realized that I was going to need to have a list or I was going to keep repeating them. So Play ball, I think came up twice. So did Dobra Doshely. There's a couple that were like, oh, I've used that one. Yep.

Okay. So I love that one just because of the theme that we're at. The next one might be one of my favorites. This one comes so let's Play Ball came from episode 41. This one comes from episode 52.

And we are here to pump you up.

That.

That.

I'm gonna be honest with you. That's the best one I've heard to this point.

It only took 52 episodes. That's 52. That's great.

So just so everyone knows, who are you quoting in that moment? Do you know?

That's Hans and Franz from classic Saturday Night Live episodes.

So I said it in the episode. It was one of my favorites and still is one of my favorites.

I thought it.

Not even just the intro, but the accent. I felt like you did it pretty well.

Some accents I feel like I nail, and then maybe you're getting to one, but I know a couple of them. It's like that accent sounded a lot better in my head on recording. It's terrible. Yeah. Yep.

Yep. So we're just gonna keep going. Lucky you. I don't have any other ones that are my favorites that are. But here's another one for episode 63.

Dilly.

Dilly. Ah, that's a good. It's football season, right? That's usually where you see those commercials. Come on.

That's. That's true. But in fairness, that was another recommendation from one of our avid listeners who said, hey, what about Dilly Dilly? And I was like, hey, I haven't used it yet, and I'm out of ideas, so why not?

Okay, so two reasons why I like this one. The first one is it's a great intro.

Dilly.

Dilly. Great commercials with those. And it was football season, which just fit in perfect. But one of my, like, favorite things is how people take ownership of your intros and send in requests. And I love that this one was a request.

Yeah. Yeah. I think three, four years from now, we're gonna look back and say Dilly Dilly. What the heck is Dilly?

Dilly. Dilly. Dilly's great.

But it worked in the moment.

Totally worked. Totally worked. So that's a top one. This one. We were just talking about this one actually a couple days ago, and this is when we sat down with Dr. Ted. And this is episode 87. So let us listen to this one.

Vote for Pedro.

Pedro who? That is a quote from one Napoleon Dynamite.

A forgettable movie, in my opinion, but I know a lot of people loved it.

It's a forgettable movie. Okay, here's.

It had a couple of funny parts, but here's.

This is my. I know we're gonna get a little off topic, but we always do. So this is one of the things with that movie. If you go and see it, especially by yourself, and you just go see the movie, it's trash. Like, it's not a great movie.

Who thought of this? Right?

But I found out that if you sit around a table and you talk about how terrible it is with a bunch of drunks.

A bunch of drunks has to be, right?

No drunks on my end. Just with my family, which, I mean, I guess they're not drunks. So we sit around a table and we talk about it.

Then all of a sudden, it's very quotable. Yes.

So I like that one because Ted is obviously confused, has no idea what vote for Pedro is, and obviously love when we can get him to laugh and have a good time. Yeah.

It's interesting because we've had a lot of different guests on, and most of them just sit politely and are amused as you and I banter and jump through the intro. But Ted, he can't just sit there quietly. He feels the need to jump in and be a part of it, even though he didn't understand it. And so, yeah, I love this, almost inadvertently, he became part of our banter that day.

So good. And we love it when our guests do that, when they actually join in for sure. So that's all I have right now. There are obviously other good ones out there. If we had more time, wanted to spend more time, maybe one episode someday will just be every single intro from 150 episodes. But no, one of the things that I just love about it is, and this is. I think this is why people enjoy intros and enjoy the banter that goes back and forth is cause we're not like robots. We're not this high production type of thing. We really just are normal people who enjoy doing this and want to help people. And I Think that that comes through. And that's why people, when we go to events and we meet new people and we travel, people feel like they know who we are because they've spent a significant amount of time with us on the podcast.

Well, and I think there's something about when you talk about pornography, you talk about sexual addiction, that maybe all of us go back to being an 11 or 12 year old boy or girl and having a mom or dad do the sex talk, and everyone kind of freezes up. It gets awkward. Or if you start to talk about it at church, everyone's like, are there any kids in the room? And it gets real tense and quiet and people are afraid if I cough, people are going to think I'm admitting something. And there just is so much tension and awkwardness and fear and a sense of silence around this topic that maybe that's what our intros are a part of, is helping people take a deep breath, realize it's okay to normalize the conversation without normalizing the behavior. And that if we can learn to be real about who we are and what we battle as human beings, that in that community of authenticity that is built, change can happen. And so if in any way our banter or the comments we make to just keep this light at times helps people take a deep breath and just say, this is part of life, then to me, that makes it all worth it.

Absolutely it is. It's great. Well, I'll just jump into this third topic. We as a ministry. So we've been around since, correct me If I'm wrong, 2007 is when. 2007, 2008 is when the ministry was founded as a non profit. Dr. Ted and Diane Roberts started Pure Desire really in their church, and then it kind of morphed into a non profit. A lot of stuff obviously changes. You know, we've been over a decade now and even moving forward, and not just as far as the podcast is concerned, but also moving forward as a ministry. We just want to spend some time talking about where we're going. So what would you like people to know about that's kind of coming in the future for Pure Desire?

Yeah, yeah, I like that you mentioned a little of the history. I think it was the end of 2008 that Pure Desire officially became a 501c3 nonprofit separate from the church. And you know, I look back on that and I still kind of marvel at the decision that Dr. Ted made because at the time he was leading a church that was averaging about 5,000 people every weekend. And he was at the helm, and it was growing. I mean, it was the happening place in the east county here outside of Portland. And you just look at our culture and say, who would step out of that to start a nonprofit about sexual addiction in a day and age when almost no one financially wants to support a nonprofit about sexual addiction? Because it's much easier to say, I support orphans or families or, you know, missionaries, but sex addicts. So to believe that they could build this as an independent ministry. I just still marvel at the faith and Ted's courage to say, God's told me this is what we should do, and we're going to do it. Because he could have just stayed happy and comfortable at eastill and run it out of there for many, many years. But we're here in a real way. You and I are here employed at Pure Desire because of that faith decision. And so I mentioned that, too, because we want to recognize that where we go is built on where we started, on what began here. That it's not like, okay, this was the foundation. Now we're going to jump off and go do something new. That we see everything we're doing as building on that foundation of combining the deep biblical truths of who God says we are and what God designed sex to be, along with what brain science and clinical research can show us. How that dovetails and builds on Scripture. It's not two separate things. That's saying, let's. Right, let's see, how does science reveal God's design and the truth of God's creation and how sin has warped us? And so we're building on that. And I think several of the things that we're looking to. That's really exciting. And a lot of this would just fall under the heading of simply, how do we take the message of hope and healing to more people? Because one of the things we've recognized Pure Desire has been really excellent at, is once someone acknowledges, I have a big problem or I think I'm a sex addiction, then Pure Desire becomes a natural place to reach out to. But the challenge is probably 99% of the population that does have unwanted sexual behavior isn't at that point yet. And they won't get to that point until there's a major crisis in their life. And so we've just been saying more and more, how do we help take the message of hope and healing to a person at a time before it's had to derail their life, before they've had to see it wreck a marriage or a career or a Relationship. And so it's getting the tools and not changing them, you know, not using new tools, but saying, how do we take them and put them on a level more people can understand and from there will lead them, if needed, will lead them into deeper healing, lead them into a recognition that I have an addiction. So some of the things we're working on right now, we're averaging 2,500 online searches for groups. And we have about 700 churches on our website that run groups. Well, if there's 2500amonth, that means the vast majority of people are looking for groups and not finding anything. And, and we don't have a great mechanism then to track with them and say, hey, how can we help you? It's kind of on them to respond to a prompt that says, hey, email us. But my guess is a lot of people just keep looking somewhere else or maybe think, oh, there's nothing for me.

Right.

And so we're in the process of developing a pretty extensive online groups network because of how it will be developed, because of how it will be run by really high quality leaders that are vetted, trained, experienced, have led groups before. You know, we'll be paying them for that role. And that means the groups will have to cost money. And for someone looking for healing, unfortunately, usually we're trying to do it cheaper or for free.

Absolutely.

So those groups will carry a cost, but I think what the cost will do will assure that it's a really powerful group experience. And then in terms of pure desire, I think it'll enable us to have many, many openings that someone who's looking for a group and Topeka, Kansas, and there's not a church within a hundred miles of Topeka, Kansas, groups, now they can engage in a group every week. And then our hope and belief will be as they get free, they will be the person going to their pastor and saying, listen, what God's done in my life and would you allow me or even help me start the same group in our church? Because our men need this, our women need this. So that's really a big area of priority right now, is developing that online group system and expanding it. The second area that we're really excited about, and it's actually more your area, so you may want to jump in on this. But we've done the Pure desire conference now all over the country and actually in a few foreign countries. And this two day event is powerful. I mean, routinely the kind of feedback we get is so positive, both what people write on the evaluations and just the verbal comments we hear, but one of the things we hear all the time is people who say, I wish my whole church would have come. All of my pastors need to hear this. My spouse should have come, my friends should have come, my small group. Because I think there's such a. Whether it's a stigma or a fear or even just the cost of the weekend. There's so many reasons people think about a Friday, Saturday event having anything to do with sexual integrity. And it's like, we got kids soccer, so, you know, a lot of people don't come. And we say, well, how can they experience this? And so we're taking that content from our Pure Desire conference and turning it into a video training tool for the church to use. About an 8 week small group study that we think will be so effective in just introducing people to why is sexual integrity so challenging for people right now? And how is it actually possible? So, you know, in some ways we want to set up the problem, but the majority of this video training will be the solution. The answer how do we help people find and experience freedom? Whether that's for themselves or someone in their life they care about, Their spouse, their kids, their grandkids, a friend. And so we again, just hope that it will take the message of hope and healing to so many more people that maybe never will come to an event in person, but they could watch this video series and get a new understanding of what's going on in their sexuality.

Yeah. And I mean, you talk about the culture of the church, I think that if you do a sermon series over six weeks, sometimes people complain that it's too long. And so you have that idea too, where we want to put something that is like accessible and affordable, but is also palatable. Like you can actually not get. Because I think if there's only one downside to what we do at the conference, it really is that it's so much information in really a matter of like 24 hours. Which again, doesn't mean that you don't walk away with very tangible stuff. But man, it's like weeks and weeks of processing that information. So this, what it's going to do is really create it into bite sized pieces that people can access and really like learn as they go rather than all kind of at once. It's that fire hose kind of, you know, analogy. So I'm super pumped about that. I mean, that's probably the thing I'm most excited about really is just because this is gonna make really hope, healing and freedom possible for more people. Because it's more attainable, accessible, and affordable for people.

Yeah. Well, and the other thing we see that video series doing is helping us continue to build on Ted and Diane's legacy.

Absolutely.

You know, so many people know them because of the books they've written, because Ted was the featured speaker on the Conquer series. And, you know, as they're in their 70s and looking to move more into kind of a retirement phase and be less active, there's that challenge of, oh, if we can't get Ted and Diane, who can we use that? We want people to see that our team has been vetted by them, trained by them, and is continuing their message and are just as qualified to come and present or preach at weekend services or talk to their parents, because that's the transition we're in, that we want people to know Ted's done a wonderful job. In fact, I again, just would give that shout out to him because I think we're seeing a generation, men and a few women, but mostly male leaders that are in their 60s and above, that have developed really big ministries that are now grappling with, how does this outlive me? And quite frankly, most of them are not doing it well because they have ministries that are centered on them, and without them, people are like, well, why do we need you? And so I really appreciate Ted's heart four or five years ago to say, this has to be bigger than me. It has to outlive me, the way he's poured into so many of us. And so we just hope, as people watch the team, as they watch the video series, they realize, wow, there's a team of people, there's a ministry that we can trust, and whether Ted and Diane are a part of the team traveling and speaking or not, that people have high, high confidence that we can be trusted. And. And I hope that doesn't come across to self promotion, but just to say, we want to help, and we'll never be Ted, we'll never be Diane, but we'll use our gifts and the way God made us to keep that message moving forward.

Well, and I think the principle still applies, too, that if you're a listener and you're not on staff with pure desire, you're also a part of moving that message and that legacy forward, that it's not ours. We don't own it, or are, like, hoarding it, so to speak. The reason why we do this podcast is we're giving it away. This is not a charged thing. This is something that you, as the listener, can take and you run with it, you get healthy, you change people's lives by bringing this into your church, into your community. And so I think the principle is right on that we're just moving this forward because I know that I want my kid, and I know you want your kids to be healthy and to be part of changing the culture around this topic in the church and making the church a healthy place.

Yeah, absolutely. And that leads into the third kind of future development area that I'm really excited about, and that's developing more parent resources. I think it's for us at Pure Desire, kind of acknowledging that's where so many people start right now. They come to us saying, what about my kids? And their fears and concerns are for their kids. And if we kind of turn the question, say, well, what about you? How are you doing? It's like, oh, well, yeah, well, what about my kids? It's like, well, hey, if that's where people are at, let's meet them there and let's give them the tools and resources they need. And so, you know, this might be the first time we've mentioned this, but one of our speaking team members, Rodney Wright, he and his wife have put together a book, and. And we'll figure out the title, but it's something like how to talk to your kids about sex. And it's 10 powerful principles that helps parents understand not just how to have the talk, but really how to create an environment in their home where their kids feel comfortable coming to them, and they're able to go to their kids and talk about sex. And so I'm super excited about that book and also just having more speaking opportunities where we do parenting conferences, and we've talked about putting together parenting events for churches. And I. I think that's just the felt need people have. And so if we could get 100 parents in a room and train them up, the outcome will be some of those parents will realize I'm gonna have no success at home unless I deal with my stuff. So again, it's taking our material and putting it at a more introductory level that appeals to more people. But then in that, as they get comfortable with the concepts and the ideas, they may be able to turn the mirror on themselves and say, what about my life? Because I think there's some things I've never addressed, and because of the hope I see through Pure Desire, now I'm willing to lean into that.

Yeah. And we want to do anything we can, really, to reach those people. And I think that. That as a ministry, something I've seen. I don't know if there's been a major shift, but a more recent emphasis on not being irritated that we're not getting into more churches and getting more people, but trying to find better ways to reach those people and reach those churches. So again, listener, you are a part of this. If you are taking this stuff in and you are using it, whether you're in group, whether you're leading group, whether you're pursuing health, regardless, this is definitely something that the baton has been handed off to you. Take it, run with it and listen. We're also super thankful that you listen every week. Like a hundred. If you've listened to 100 episodes, good on you. I don't know if I've listened to a hundred episodes of any podcast. So thank you. And just know that your feedback has been instrumental really in what we do. We take that feedback and we work so hard to offer the insight, the help, the best practices that best help all of us continue in recovery, to find it, to develop it, and to maintain it through the rest of our lives. So we're thankful for the last 100 episodes. And dude, it's been a great journey so far.

I've enjoyed doing the next 100.

That's right. That's right.

See where they take us.

Alrighty. Thanks, Nick.

And happy birthday to you, Trevor.

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