141 - How To Stay Healthy In World Crisis

You're listening to the Pure Desire Podcast, your safe place to find hope, healing and freedom from sexual addiction, betrayal and relationship issues. A healthy day to you, PD Nation. I am your host, Trevor Windsor, and you are listening to episode 141 of the Pure Desire podcast. Here joining me as always is my co host, Nick Stumbo.

Today's episode is brought to you by the center for Disease Control. Canceling your Life's plan since 1989. 1989, which was an arbitrary date, by the way.

Okay. Because I was gonna say it's during my lifetime for sure.

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Okay, so today we are calling an audible. We had pre recorded an episode, ready to go out, but we just were in some conversation, even just this morning as we're recording, it's like, look, I think this is something we should talk about. We've been having some conversations and we really just want to describe and talk through the impact that everything going on with COVID 19 Coronavirus can impact us.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's the feeling like it's on everybody's minds. And we're not here necessarily to talk about like the virus or how it spreads or how to stop it, but to recognize there's an underside to all of this, to how do we respond to it, how does it make us feel? What, what doors of potential danger or threat does it pose to those that are in recovery or trying to stop, you know, a problematic pattern of Internet behavior? There's just so many things that go along with this that we felt like we have a voice that we'd like to bring to the table because I think a lot of people are going to encounter some unexpected things and if we can help prepare one another, well, then that's what today's podcast is all about.

Yeah. So we have some tips, really five of them, on how to stay healthy during really what's an anxious and very uncertain time. And, and you know, I can tell you right now, like, I'm anxious, I'm unsure of a lot of things and it makes me really nervous. And so for that reason, we just established these five thoughts or tips for today. So the first one is to limit your time on social media and news. Let's talk about that.

Yeah, I think that's going to be a natural challenge for a lot of us because it's a developing situation and so it seems like there's always something new. I mean, last week it felt like in 24 hours we went from just wash your hands and carry on, you'll be fine. To the whole world is shutting down and everything is canceled. And this whirlwind of like what just happened and it's our human nature, then what else? What's coming on? And I think what we need to recognize, especially if we're in some recovery, is that every time we turn on our TV or pick up our phone, there are opportunities there or dangers there for being triggered. I mean, there are still clickbait on news sites, there's still other people posting things on social media. There's the chance that what we hear we don't like. And it makes us feel something negative and it can really become something that just pulls us in deeper and deeper into a negative pattern that maybe for a legitimate reason we went to try to check out for some information, but then we get sucked into a whole bunch of things we weren't expecting. And the danger I see here really is that because it's a very abnormal time, I think we can feel like, well, my previous guardrails or the things that usually I would abide by have gone out the window because now it's like a snow day or spring break and everything just. And there are things that have changed.

Right.

But we have guardrails, we have things we do for health for a reason, and we shouldn't abandon those just because we're in the midst of all these unknowns.

Yeah. And I mean, I can say a part of my, really my matrix of addiction or the ritual that I have of acting out usually started with social media. And so for me, and I feel like for so many people out there, that's where we start. We get on and we're numbing out. And what I mean by that is we're not really facing how we're feeling. Like for me, like in this time, and I've had to really be careful the last couple days that I'm anxious because I don't know what's going on. I don't understand if we're safe if we're not. Like, I've got a three year old and a baby on the way. So it's like, is my wife okay? Is my baby gonna be okay? Do I even want to bring a baby into this world right now? Like, there's a lot going on underneath the surface. And so if I go to social media and I start just perusing and it's not even with an intent, if I just go on with zero intention of accomplishing anything, that's a scary place to be. And then what I find myself is as I'm Suppressing those thoughts, those emotions, those feelings, all that. I end up going into, really, an unhealthy rabbit hole. And for me, that I'm just. I'm stepping right back into that cycle, that ritual that I had.

Yeah, well, we've talked about how addiction is a sickness of escape, and we're escaping reality. We're escaping. And really social media and news and because there's so much information going on about coronavirus, that's what it can become like. We're just escaping reality. And for a lot of our listeners, they're probably going to be home more than they have been in a while, or their kids are going to be home, or that big trip they had planned got canceled. And with this free time, it's tempting to gravitate towards that easy outlet of just wasting time on Facebook. And I think a lot of us could agree with what you just said about our pattern in the past that it usually started with something like this getting too absorbed in some kind of escape or some kind of preoccupation. And then something in that pursuit kind of triggered a lustful thought. We saw an image or a picture or a thought unintended even, because I know that was always my excuse. Like, well, I wasn't looking for that, but what I chose to do with it was my responsibility, and I needed to stop making that excuse. So I think my encouragement in this area is to say whatever. You know, think back two weeks ago when our world was normal and we weren't all freaking out about the coronavirus. What were your healthy habits and patterns as it related to your phone, to social media, to watching the news, and whatever that pattern was, continue it. Don't dismiss it just because we're in a unique time now. We're not saying don't educate yourself. We're not saying stick your head in the sand and act like nothing's happening.

That's, yeah, don't do that.

Whatever was healthy, keep at it. And then inappropriate ways. When it's appropriate for you to be online and you want information, pursue it, but do it within health and not as an escape or something that leads you down a bad path.

And I've heard this said before, too. And I think that there's a lot of benefit at any time anywhere is scheduling your social media or your news time. So whatever media you partake in, it's not necessarily bad, but just schedule it. Make sure that it's something that you know at this time. I've got 15 minutes here go my 15 minutes. And then after that, 15 minutes is up. Go on to do something else. Hopefully something healthy related to relationship. So I think that that's just a practical thing that I'm going to be working on over the next coming weeks is how do I implement a schedule where I'm not just mindlessly going to my phone for something, but when I do go to my phone or go to the Internet, it's actually because I've placed time there for it.

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. So that's. Our first tip is about being mindful of your use of the social media and news outlets and how you we use our free time. Our second tip relates to what might be filling a lot of our free time and that's that our family is going to be around a lot. So the second tip is about being flexible with your family and daily rhythms. Talk a little bit about that.

So let me tell you a story. Yesterday. Yesterday I was home with my 3 year old. My wife was out taking pictures and doing some stuff. And yesterday was brutal. It was a day where we didn't go to church. So yesterday for us was Sunday. We didn't go to church. We had a really weird start to our day. He had not slept great the night before, did not nap well. And for me, I just felt like I was literally bashing heads with a little human all day. And what I realized is I had expectations of how the day was going to go. Even with everything going on with coronavirus and churches going to online format and all that, I still was expecting it to be a relaxing day. We were just able to kind of like read books and watch movies and have a good time. And it wasn't, it was really, really difficult. And so for me, I realized I spent way more time with my son yesterday than I expected I was going to. And he was much more clingy than I was expecting. And so for me, I wasn't very flexible, you know, and it's funny as I'm saying that I've seen a couple memes going around or tweets going around of people saying, oh, now that sports aren't on, or now that my, you know, I don't have to go to work today, there's this nice lady who's sitting on my couch. Apparently she's my wife. She seems nice. Like it's that whole idea of we need to be flexible. We need to realize that our family is going through the same stuff we are. And to. And this is what I would say, like go into your day preparing for it not to go the way you think it's gonna go, which is super hard for me. And I'm learning this even more as I press into, like, my personality type and all that, that I like to prepare to make sure I don't have to have difficult conversations or have an uncertain time. I basically try to plan a day that would be perfect. And so for me, I have to do this as well. Just prepare that the day's not going to go like you expect it to and be flexible, be patient with the people around you.

Yeah. I think the challenge is that in so many other seasons, we kind of know what to expect and if it's. Even if it's vacation, like we've kind of come to expect, what does vacation rhythm feel like? What does our work week rhythm feel like? What does even a snow day like? We kind of know what will happen, what won't happen. And with as quickly as things are changing and developing with the coronavirus, it's like one day you might think going to the restaurant can be part of your plan, and then you find out the next day it's closed and there's no rules for this time. And so that does leave us, I think, a little uncertain. And to recognize that's going to deeply impact our family and our marriages. So for my wife and I, we're realizing how much we relied on our kids, sports and school activities to occupy their time. And, like, all that is gone. And like, now we're thinking, well, what do we do? And it can create frustration and people that are on each other. And then I get frustrated because my kids are frustrated with each other. And so now I'm getting in the middle of it. And I think the big thing we're trying to encourage everyone is just to be aware that's happening for all of us. It's going to take us all some time to figure this out and to give yourself and others some grace to just be open to say, you know, we're all figuring this out together and what could we do to make this workable? What possible solutions are there, you know, to think positive, solution oriented and not just have everyone moping around and getting on each other's nerves and get out of my way. Because I think if we're not thinking proactive about how can we seize these opportunities, we are just going to default to kind of that grumpy, everybody's in my way kind of attitude.

Yeah. Anytime you feel right, like trigger word quarantined with people, there's just potential for more. There's just more conflict, more irritation.

Yeah. We might feel trapped.

Oh, my gosh, tell me about it. Literally in your house, trapped, can't go anywhere. But it's just. Yeah, it's important to. And in this, you're actually prioritizing your family. You're prioritizing others when you're able to be flexible. So I think this is a big one.

Yeah, well, it's like, make like it's 1975. You know, there's not things to do, so you create them. Right. You know, and I was talking with you this morning about how often have we heard or even heard ourselves saying, oh, I just don't have enough time to hang out with my kids. We don't have time for that weekly date night. We don't have time to get the exercise. Like, you know what? Right now, probably for the first time in a long time, you got no excuse.

Right.

You do now, and you're gonna find out it's not a time. Actually a commitment and a resolve issue of, do I want to spend time taking my wife, taking my kids for a walk, just being out in the yard playing some catch? Like, there are those really simple things that I think we can go back to and say, this is actually really a good thing. This is actually a really a blessing. And what we would normally gravitate to might not be there, but so many other things still are. I mean, as far as I understand, the wilderness and the great outdoors is not closed. You can take a walk down your street. You could say hi to your neighbor. You know, keep three feet or however many feet they say six.

Now shout at them from across the.

Yard, but you could still talk to your neighbor. There are so many things we can do, and I think if we're flexible enough to see those opportunities, many of us are going to look back on this and say, man, that was really a cool time. That was really a great opportunity to connect and engage as a family.

I feel like I'm now thinking of. I believe his name is Wilson, who is the neighbor in Home Improvement. Just how prophetic that must be. Now, be that kind of neighbor who doesn't ever show your mouth. It's just the eyes. Okay, so let's move on to the third. Third tip. And this one. I'm interested to see what you have to say about this one, because we're talking about preparing for a sense of loss. What do you mean? Like, what are we losing here?

Yeah, I think just the reality that everyone in this time is going to lose something that mattered to them, for some, it might be as basic as they love Major League Baseball and there's going to be no opening Day. I've heard of people that had tickets to go see the Mariners first game, and those aren't going to happen. Or it's concert tickets or it's an event they were going to speak at or attend. You know, for us, we're dealing with our high school sports season because we're really looking forward to seeing our daughter compete, and she's been training all winter. And if those things don't happen, and some of them might get postponed, but there are other things that maybe we're all waiting, okay, when it'll get postponed, but it's still going to happen. Well, some of us are going to get worried that that thing we're holding onto is not going to happen. And there's not just the physical loss of, oh, we don't get to go. There's an emotional side of something that meant a lot to me won't happen. And we have to decide what to do with that, because there really is grieving that needs to take place. Like, it's okay to feel sad or down, but what we do with that emotion really becomes key, just like in any other loss, you know? So if we lose a relationship or lose a loved one to death, everyone knows. Well, you can't just stuff that and ignore it. You've got to process it. You've got to be open. You've got to talk about how you're feeling. And I think that's just what we're going to experience in this whole season is things that we've been looking forward to won't happen. And we can either stuff it and act like we're fine and let that negative emotion drive us to unhealthy places, or we can be willing to say, I'm just. I'm down because that thing got canceled. And I really was looking forward to this. And the more we talk and face it, I think we can continue to grow and find health. Yeah.

And I think we'll get into this a little bit into the next tip, too. But the idea of filling that void with something healthy or beneficial, I mean, like, I didn't realize how much I lean on professional sports and not in a sense where I think it's necessarily unhealthy, but I'm, like, sensing there's something that normally is here and is now not. What's going on?

What do I do?

And I feel a little bit out of whack because I'm so used to this ritual or this rhythm that I have in my life. And so I think that, you know, even thinking about. So we have community groups at our church and just made the decision this morning to cancel it due to just what's going on in the world. Like, you know, basically asking all these people, what do you. What do you think? Is this something that you want to do? And for me, it's like, okay, I'm losing the opportunity to connect with other people, to dive into God's word, to spend time, you know, together. And it's like, okay, I gotta find a way to fill that. And I think that it's important to stay connected in this. Like, fill that with relationships any way that you can. I mean, the interesting thing is that technology's not going anywhere, even in the midst of all this crazy stuff. And so, like, FaceTime, your friends, you know, like, this is. I'm just coming up with an idea. Our producer here, Justin, like, maybe we'll just get on to, like, Marco Polo and just literally have conversations all day, or we'll FaceTime and watch a movie together. You know what I mean? Like, do whatever you have to do.

Yeah.

And honestly make it something your family does, and you have fun being creative, thinking of ways to do it and to connect. And obviously, we're not at a place where you can't gather with anybody, but it's just that idea of if you're going to lose something that's a normal part of your week, to try to fill that void with something healthy that you include other people with.

Yeah, that's such a great point. That a loss is a void and we will fill a void with something. And I mean, the classic example is the guy that loses a job and then fills it with alcohol and kind of that downward spiral. So maybe we're not at that extreme. I hope no one is, but that we're losing things and it will create that void. And so we've got to be willing to look at and say, what am I feeling filling it with? Is it going to be relationship exercise, family, devotion, things to improve? You know, that project we've been putting off, that sudden we've got time for, like, those would be good things.

Yes.

Or does the loss of, you know, whether it's sports or a concert, do we just fill that void with more. More TV and more stuff and. And really could get even more unhealthy because we're just looking for something. So I think if we face that, I'm gonna feel it, but. And I can make some choices about what to do instead. That'll really help us make good decisions.

I would say this to communicate that sense of loss with somebody else. Don't take that onto yourself and keep it to yourself. I think it's important to share, like I was just sharing with a friend this morning, that I am afraid of how other people will view me if I say I'm not going to go do things, or if we cancel our community group or do something like that. Because it's, you know, you'll get those people who are just like, ah, it's nothing. This will go away in a couple weeks. But for me, I was realizing that that was kind of a burden that I was carrying. And then once I said it, it was like, oh, okay, I'm not the only one who feels this way. And so if you are grieving a loss, if you do feel like there's a void, communicate that with someone else and let them be able to speak into it.

Yeah. And I think remembering that something's a loss, if it's a loss to you, so the temptation there will be, well, maybe I'm grieving, you know, not getting to go see my daughter's track meet and someone, or even in my own head, I'll think, well, at least you're not dying of coronavirus. You're already minimizing it. What do you have to complain about? And that'll be the thing we face is if it's a loss, I'm feeling it's a loss. And I have to take that real and seriously and face it and not just discount it because, like, well, I'm not dying. So at least that's kind of the classic Brene Brown cartoon. Some of our listeners have probably seen the whole, well, at least, at least you can have kids. At least you're not dead. At least that. That doesn't really help because it minimizes our pain and we need to be able to talk about and face our pain and go in a healthy direction with it.

Totally.

So that that takes then to our fourth tip, somewhat related to it, but this idea that we need to practice healthy habits, what do we mean by that?

Yeah, I mean, I think this is something we should do at any time in life. Obviously, if you're, you know, been listeners for any period of time, you realize this is something we push on every podcast and all of our stuff. But for me, I feel like it's no more important. I'm trying to think of how to say this. This is an essential time that Healthy habits are present in your life. And whether it's a brand new healthy habit or it's one you've been doing for a long time to keep pushing in and keep doing it, because again, that void is there and you're gonna wanna fill that void with something, as you were saying. But I think you gotta get creative and think through what our habits that maybe this time that we now have gives me the opportunity to start doing. You know, I'm thinking of maybe going outside for a walk, you know, for us. Gosh, weather's been so weird here. It was like 60 degrees two days ago and then it snowed the next day for like 40 minutes and then stopped. Like it's just, it's wild. But maybe it's going outside, maybe it's. There is that book that you've been meaning to read, or maybe it's that topic you've been wanting to research, or maybe it's a hobby you can do from home journaling or writing. Doing something that engages different sides of your brain, that engages your emotions. What's going on underneath the surface. I think that it's just really important to do that and to get creative. You know, for me, as I was thinking about this coming week, we are potty training our three year old. So just pray for us. Would you just please, can we just like Jesus, intercede. So with that, I'm thinking of it's going to be a stressful week for him. It's going to be a stressful week for my wife and for me. So what are little mini dates that we can have while we're maybe quote unquote quarantined? You know, maybe we can have a movie night. Maybe we can, you know, have like our own little version of a coffee date in our place. So being creative on how to connect with people. But again, I just think healthy habits are a really good crutch to lean on in times like this.

You know, in our groups we talk about a tool called the matrix of addiction where we try to help someone see, you know, the steps that we typically take in our pattern towards a relapse or towards acting out. And one of the things we've just seen so consistently is that the further down your matrix you get, the further down that pattern or cycle you are, the harder it is to alter your behavior. Because now your brain is engaging in some old patterns. It knows where to go. There's often brain chemicals that are kicking in. And we've said the time to win that victory is not when you're on the brink of acting out. It's seeing where the pattern starts and learning to go in a different direction. And I think the same thing applies here because the what we're facing, all these unknowns, it's undefined, it's natural that it's going to produce fear. Well, fear can have a way of creating more anxiety and worry and then that can lead to a sense of panic. And panic can lead to, you know, all or none kind of thinking. And that can lead us to overreacting. Now we're just in this very unhealthy pattern. And that's not the point. We want to try to throw a scripture verse at it and expect we can just.

I'm going to get up at 5am and read for three hours tomorrow morning. That's not.

Yeah, so it's more to recognize. There will be things that make me feel afraid. Whether it's the actual virus, it's the economy, it's what's happening to a loved one. It's something else. I hear about that. The greatest antidote we have to fear is the things that we do before that. It's preparing our hearts and minds by meditating on God's word, inviting the peace of Christ into our hearts to start our day. Taking time in the middle of the day just to reflect and meditate and pray. Like, the more we get ourselves into that healthy place, then when fear comes, we're going to be able to more quickly redirect back to, yeah, there is something to be afraid of, but I'm trusting in God in this situation or I'm not alone. And we go back into health versus going four more steps into the fear and panic. And now we're kind of at a loss for what to do. So I think it's just that place of being proactive to get our hearts and minds in a healthy place so that whatever happens. Because that's the thing, who knows what news is gonna come out next that will be this new bomb into our lives. Like, well, if we're at a good place proactively, I think we'll have the tools we need to face whatever comes.

Yeah, and that's a good word to use, is that you're just basically putting more tools into your tool belt to help you live healthy in an uncertain and crazy time. And that's really what it is. You're just expanding the toolkit, if you will, which every man in the world would love to have an expanded toolkit in their garage. Whatever. Women too. I guess that's. I Mean, that was an unfair statement. Anyways, we're gonna move on to the fifth tip and this one specifically for us here at Pure Desire. This is essential period in recovery, regardless of what time is going on. But specifically in this time of quarantining, of social distancing, all that, our fifth thing is to not stop meeting as groups.

Yeah. And for those that aren't currently in a group because maybe they've graduated out or haven't gotten into one yet, we might augment it to even just say, don't avoid community. Because the danger for all of us is isolation. And in isolation we make unhealthy choices. And that's not a you or me thing, that's a humanity thing. And I think the threat of all this virus is going to create situations where it's just easy and even convenient to isolate. And so we want to be thoughtful to say, how do I maintain community? And so if I'm in group, how do I maintain that group? And so the great thing, at least at the point of recording this, you know, no one is outlawing a group of six or seven people. You could meet at a coffee shop, you could meet at a home, maybe the church. Or if there's a place you've been meeting that's closed, you might have to think about somewhere new to meet. But I would say be flexible and communicate about that. Just because your normal meeting spot isn't there, is there somewhere else appropriate? And then if not, if there's nowhere to physically meet, this is where the Internet could become a tremendous gift to us. So whether your group chooses to use, you know, messenger video app, or you're all on FaceTime, or you use, you know, Google Hangouts is free for anyone to use. You could use Skype if someone in your group has a Zoom account. I mean, the awesome thing is there are so many video platforms out there that I'm certain that someone in your group could send a link and share it and everybody at the group time just clicks on and you're having group. And one of the things we would say from pure desire, as we've worked now with a lot of online groups, it can be just as effective as the in person group. I mean, it's great to be in the room with someone. It's great to kind of the vibe you get when you're all in that same space. But it still is a very significant encounter. When I come to group with my work prepared, ready to share, and I listen to other people, it has the same impact in your life. And so don't use this as an excuse to just be like, well, everything's canceled. So I guess we should cancel group two. I would say don't go there. Find ways to maintain that community. And even if it looks different than it has, keeping those relationships, keeping that community will help you stay healthy during this time.

Well, and brokenness doesn't take a break. It's not like, it's like, oh, you're on spring break. Okay, cool. Or oh, there's a health crisis in the world. We're taking a break in a hiatus. It doesn't happen. It's still there. Oddly enough, I heard that if my wife went to the pool just a week ago and they're like, well, you know, chlorine kills everything, so there's a healthy place. Go meet a pool. But I think that with this, it's just really important that you understand that this is going to be a time where you feel like it's necessary or it's okay to take that break. And it's not, especially if you are in group on the front end or in the midst of recovery. It's just so important that you continue to meet. And here's the thing, too, like, revisit the group guidelines. Really reinforce all the things about the group that are important. Go back to the memo of understanding. Go back to the covenant to contend. Understand that this is something that you've committed to and you're pushing into. And I'll put the group guidelines episode and some of the other leading groups and group structure stuff of our podcast. We'll put them in the show notes. But I think it's really important that you still start on time. You meet at the same time you did, you do every single week, you end on time. And you're really reinforcing those things because I think even in this, we can allow really the structure or the guidelines of what we do to slip because it's like, well, we're not in person, so maybe our group could go three hours or maybe so. And so, you know, Jim can share for. For 45 minutes. And it's like, no, Jim, you can't. We need. Your name's Jim. I'm so sorry, but come on, Jim. I think that that's the kind of stuff that's still important because I know we're getting a lot of people who are chatting in or sending emails in calls in and saying, hey, we're gonna move to this online format. What do we do? Treat it the same exact way you do, like an in person Group that this is still something that's very important to maintain the guidelines, to maintain the structure.

Well, I think the tool you just mentioned there, that I would want to go back to that covenant to contend, because one of the great things about that tool is it's a very clear statement of, here's what I can control, here's what I can't control, and here's what I can trust God with. And if we're ever at a time where we feel like there's a lot of things we can't control and that makes us feel out of control, I think it's now. And so we need a reminder to say, in my recovery, in my relationships, in my life, here's what I can control. And I'm going to make sure to be responsible for those things before God and my family and friends say this is under my control. And, you know, there's a reason that we've, you know, jokingly, somewhat, but in seriousness, called Christmas and Thanksgiving, the season of relapse, because everybody's rhythm changes, there's extra time off, you're around people you're not normally around so much like, wow, that kind of sounds a lot like right now, you know, and you're not meeting with your group. And. And our heart for you as a listener is we don't want this to become the Corona season of relapse to go, well, I was at home a lot, and I was on my couch and watching a lot of movies and got into stuff I shouldn't. And this could become a major, major hiccup. And I think the community in your life, the group, you have those relationships, that's something you can control. You can control your engagement. You can control whether or not you're making phone calls and checking in. You can control whether or not you make that effort to make it to group, even though it's maybe at a different place or something, that's not the usual, what can you control? And being responsible to do those things because those little steps will create health. And I mentioned it earlier in the podcast, but I think there really is the opportunity here that we could look back on this very unique time. And I mean, frankly, it's something the world has never seen, at least in the modern era, where we're taking kind of a break from everything. We could look back and go, man, that was such an awesome time. Remember how we got to do all these things and remember those special family moments, remember our this and that? Or we could look back and go, man, what a black hole that was. And that's. None of us want that. And so we're kind of on the cusp of it. We're a few days in and by the time the podcast goes up, a few more. But like to say, you are right now, as you listen, in a position to determine which direction it goes that is not outside of your control, that no matter what happens in our world, this could become a wonderful season of opportunity or a black hole of bad choices. And the way you respond will make the difference and the people you choose to communicate and respond with. So whatever you can do to engage in your community, in your group, go for it. Because I think you'll look back and go, man, that was a really good season.

Yeah. So especially in times of great stress, uncertainty, anxiety, it's easy to slip back into old negative behaviors. Whether it's numbing out with porn, food, social media, whatever it may be. We have to be vigilant to remain healthy sexually. And something that I was thinking about even this morning is the vigilance that we're taking to like wash our hands and create social distancing. The irony is that's the same type of vigilance we need to take in our health, that we need to take it seriously and always be on guard and protecting. So whether that's keeping up with your faster scale, staying connected with group members members, or putting in these five tips or these five practices, it's important to do it to maintain health in this crazy time. So wherever you're at, on your journey, church leader, group member, not online group, in person, group, whatever it may be, pure desire here is here to help create a road map for your healing. So if you or someone you know is looking for help, go to PureDesire.org and start your healing journey today. Also, subscribe to the podcast we're on here every week to help create and maintain, maintain sexual health. Share the podcast with your friends and family, write a review and help others find the podcast. And lastly, never stop being healthy.