Interviews about Errol Bagley with Siblings and Robbie Eagle

So, Liza, what things do you remember about Errol as he was younger? Younger?

How old were you when I came onto the scene?

I'm 41.

I think I'm 38, so you were probably 11? Well, my first memories were— well, like I said, I don't remember anything in—

in—

when— so I think you were like in almost in high school before I remember much. You were 11. And by the time we were freshmen, you know, that's maybe when I start remembering. I remember in the Grover House, there was the boys' room, which to me was a big room, and the girls' room, which was quite small, and a big hall in between. Clean, and you guys were in the boys' room. And occasionally we put out a rollaway, and sometimes Christie and I slept on that rollaway in that room. And when there was company, they put the crib in that room, and I slept in that room.

We often had two beds in the boys' room.

I do remember that he didn't ever He didn't wake up well. And so he'd set an alarm clock, but you'd put it inside pans. In like a frying pan and then something on top of it. So that when it rang— do you remember that?

No. It would echo or something?

Yeah, it would make more of a noise so that he would wake up. I do remember him waking up early, I don't know how early, practicing. There was one song particularly that was a favorite of mine, it was "The Little Donkey," something, because I could hear the little donkey. He was good, he was good on the piano.

I played Franz Liszt's Liebestraum for a long time because I got it ready for Music festival and stuff. I don't know how I kept from driving the family crazy because I'd get up at 4:30, 5 in the morning sometimes to practice piano because I didn't have time after school. John always thought I did it just to get out of the chores, because if I was practicing then sometimes he'd have to go do the chores. Just practicing the animals, so I didn't have to go out with the cows. How much truth is there to that story then? I don't think I consciously did. I was genuinely interested in some music skills, and that's when I had to practice.

It seems like you sang in some quartets quite often. Too, with daddy-child.

I don't know.

Some of the ones in high school, we sang a lot. We went around to sacrament meetings and different things. Anything, an excuse, we'd love to sing.

They were good too.

I remember he used to wear his hair hair slicked back into like a ducktail back here. And in order to get it there, it worked better if it was kind of greasy, you know. So he would go for longer than Mom thought he should go without washing his hair. And I remember this one day, and it must have been in the fall or the spring because there was grass outside. And he was by the back basin, the little back basin. There was a round mirror like this one, smaller. It's in my bathroom now. And he was combing his hair. And Mom was talking to him and saying, "Why don't you wash your hair?" And it got heated. And I remember he went outside. He ran outside. And Mom ran after him outside with the dish rag. And she chased him around the house with the dish rag. And that's one of my memories.

Well, then I think she got somebody else and ganged up on me and caught me there by the sink and washed my hair.

And washed your hair. Well, how long would you go?

I don't know. I don't— washing my hair wasn't a thing that we we did that I remember of shampooing. And we used hair oils, you know, oil cream and different things that you wouldn't think about using today that greased it up and made it attract the dirt too. But, you know, when you got it a little dirty and stiff with some, then you could really shape it.

I feel like moose now. We only had one bathroom in the Grover house. And, you know, I mean, on Saturday nights when you took— when you had a date and we were getting ready for Sunday, we all just kind of— seems like I started. I started early and took a bath, and then we just kind of used the water and until nobody wanted to get in it, and then we'd draw a new bath. But we all used the same water. There wasn't ever very good water pressure in Star Valley. And so it was a necessity that we did use, reuse, recycle. I remember when he would go on dates. He always, as I remember it, he liked the car to be clean. And so he'd go out and wash the car. And he'd get me to vacuum it. And so the car would be nice and clean. And then he would shine his shoes. And he would have me stand on a chair in his shoes. And then he would get under and buff them real good. But I had to stand in so so that they would stay there. Stay there. And so he'd buff them this way, and then he'd buff them around the end of the heel. And I was great. I don't remember these things.

Don't you?

Not the shoes. I remember I was— I had the car had to be cleaned up. Of course, I always shine my shoes, but I don't remember you standing there.

Um, in the summertime too, when, um, when they've been out working, and I, I assume that this was you too I don't specifically remember who it was, but they would, you know, haul hay. And they would— I mean, hay was hauled manually. It took a lot of people to do the haying. To what? I mean, one person would go through and mow it, and then they rake it, and And then they bale it.

Well, previously we had a buck rake and we'd use the buck rake and that farmhand would lift it up loose. Then we got into bales, we had trailers behind the baler and one guy would ride the trailer, would grab the bales, stack them on the trailer, and there'd be two trailers, one going to the stack and coming back empty, and you just keep trading them. It was a lot of work. Each piece of hay was handled by hand.

Several times.

Yeah.

And we usually had extra guys there during haying season too. But they'd come in for lunch and Mom would fix a nice big lunch for, for the hay crew. And they'd lay down on the living room floor, on the carpet, and they would have me walk on their backs. Just to, you know, because their backs would get sore. And I remember walking on, walking on backs, giving them massages. And, you know, I was probably 4 or 5, and I wasn't, I wasn't very big and want to walk on their backs. I do remember one time that he was going up to to town to piano. And you took from Jane Eddins. And I wanted to go to town with him that day. And so I just went out and got in— he told me I couldn't go. I'd asked him and he told me I couldn't go. But I went out and I got in the back of the car and was hiding. And he came out and found me. And I didn't get to go. But I tried. There. Then he went— I do remember when he went on his mission. And a little bit, I guess, down at college. You were down at college when Julie was homecoming queen?

No, I think I was a senior. I was a senior in high school. Okay.

I remember you being there when she was homecoming queen. Then he went on his mission to Finland, and I remember writing him, and he hooked me up with a pen pal, Auntie Lind, who had the same birthday as I did. And Auntie would write me letters in Finnish, and then Errol would translate them underneath for me in English so I could understand them. And you were gone there for a long time?

Forever.

Just most of my life.

Most of your life you spent—

Do you look outside and see the snow? Does that bring back memories of him?

And then he came home. What time of year did you come home?

Middle of the winter. Because it was middle of the between semesters of school, that I went down to Hawaii and got in on a bar plan or something.

And then that summer you came home to work. Um, I, and I do remember that summer and working and, and, uh, the day that, well, and I He would get occasional letters from Elaine. And I remember this one particular— it just sat there on the stairs. You know, it came and sat there on the stairs, and I don't know how quick he opened it. And what was it, about August that you— was it about August that you got engaged?

Well, it must have been before that because we got married— well, yeah, we did. We got married September 10th, so we got engaged a month before. And she came up— well, she came up a month before for a week or so. And that's the first time my parents, of course, had met her. And they thought I was being irrational. They were not for me getting married at that time. They thought I was just come off my mission, and no wisdom in marrying this girl. Which maybe you didn't know what you were doing, but hey, you know, sometimes those decisions work out better than we really think it will. I knew, I knew what I was doing, but they didn't know that I knew what I was doing.

Anyway, I remember us sitting down to Sunday dinner. And at that point, I don't remember John being there.

Maybe he was.

And Christie and I. And Errol announced that he was getting— gonna get married. And I don't think we had Finished dinner. We hadn't maybe had dessert or something. And I don't remember Mom and Dad really saying a whole lot. Maybe there was something said. I don't remember. But Dad just got up and left from the table. He sort of lost his appetite or something. And, you know, it's just that I think they didn't think that he had dated very much and didn't really know Elaine. And they had met her.

Oh, this was before she came up?

Yeah, it was before she came up. But everything worked out perfectly there, so he did know what he was doing, obviously. 8 kids later. Other memories of life on the ranch, I remember some going out with Dad with the team and the sled to feed. And sometimes Mom would go and we'd just climb on the It was loose hay. Just go pitchfork it on the slab and ride around, pitch off the hay.

Start off and tell me any childhood memories that you have of Errol when he was younger. Before he became kind of an adult. Anything sticks out in your mind that you remember about the way he was?

Probably the very— I'm trying to go back further, but I can't really think of that further. I was 10, and you're 4 years younger than me, right? So he would have been 6 when we lived at the Capitol Ranch. And that's probably the earliest I remember. And that's when I remember we did a lot of things. To me it seemed like a lot of things together. Because the older boys would go off and work with Dad. And Errol and I, we'd skin poles. Remember that? Dad and the boys would get poles out and Dad would pay us 5 cents a pole to peel the bark off the poles. I was 10 and he was 6.

And if they were wet, you could sometimes peel them off pretty good. It was some dreary work.

You know, 5 cents a pull. We didn't—

I don't think he ever paid us.

Yeah, I don't think so either.

I was just gonna say that. He did say that he was going to.

So I remember that. It seems like the other thing that I remember is that we lived in the garage down there before the house got built. And so some of us— there were two granaries built. And so Errol and I slept in the granary part of the time. There were two beds there. But I would not— I would have been too afraid to sleep out there. Alone. And until— and I think Jerry, you know, sometimes— did you have those greenhouses out there?

Yes, there was a lot of greenhouses, but I never slept in one. I remember the garage, we lived in the garage. We had a wood stove, didn't we, in the garage?

Cook on it.

No electricity.

Yeah, that's about the earliest I remember.

And that garage, for future generations, for people who want to know where we we lived was up in New Orleans. Oh, really? I went there when we had a reunion, walked over there, we were going to see the owner, and there's the garage. 30 years, 40 years.

The thing I remember about that garage is that it was— I mean, if you knew Mother, if you knew your gran, she was very clean.

So we would—

and of course it was a new garage. We lived in this garage, and one little corner of it was like the kitchen. And there was this wood stove. And then the other part, there were beds. And then I remember the side of the garage where Dad every summer would make root beer. And very often it exploded. I mean, yeah, you know, if you didn't get the root beer just right, it would explode.

With the gas?

Yeah. I don't know just exactly what they did.

But anyway.

Yeah, that's, I remember being on the ranch with Errol. And the other thing I remember is lots of times he would, we'd ride, and there was a beaver dam behind the house, not very far. But I'd ride Brownie and you'd ride, maybe, Ethan. Well, you were younger, so I don't know what horse you rode. But we'd ride up to this beaver dam, and Errol would ride with me. And I just remember that time doing a lot of things with you. It seemed like you were— there was nobody else for me. I don't know, I never met General Bagley.

He was just too young.

And my two older brothers were with their dads, so Errol was my best friend for those times.

Do you remember when I fell off the horse?

Oh, very well.

I told you before.

Oh yeah, I forgot. I remember right exactly where it was. I remember between Grover and Porter Place. I remember being in the back seat with you. I remember playing there, and all of a sudden, I can just remember sitting there, and all of a sudden you were gone.

You were out of the car.

And Dad stopping and Mother just screaming. And they gathered you up, and Mother held you in the front seat. Seat, or Kleenexes or something. They ran, they hustled you up to the doctor. And I remember them trying to bandage you up, clean you out. And you were screaming and carrying on. And when you got done, the thing I remember the most is you looked just like a mummy, just like an Egyptian mummy, literally. You were bandaged from your feet to your neck.

And there's no pictures of that.

But I remember that really well. Yeah, you, I mean, you were bandaged everywhere. But I know Dad, I just remember that thought of him being terrified to go back and see.

Mom said he couldn't take his hands off the steering wheel. He was froze there. She got out, she picked me up. She said they were going 50 miles an hour.

But I was in the back seat with you. I remember it well.

And the backwards door, I opened the backwards door to close it, and Mom said it must have, the wind must have held me against the door for a little while because it scraped the skin off my toes. She thinks my toes were dragging on the ground before I dropped.

How old were you?

I don't know, because it's not hardly a memory. Maybe I was 5. What kind of brother, or kid, was there alike? I mean, what was his personality, or maybe high school, or I don't know.

Well, I, you know, you maybe think you're passing it through your experiences from then on, but we always used to say that Errol never got into trouble. Because if he was asked to do something, he didn't say no. He just listened. And then if he didn't, if he chose not to do it, he didn't do it. He didn't cause any trouble.

You know, where some of the rest—

yeah, some of the rest of it said, oh, you know, we don't want to do that. And Errol would just smile or, you know, act like You know, it's fine. Yeah, he was taking it all in, but then, then he just, you know, if he didn't, I guess if he didn't want to do it, he didn't.

So I guess that's where most of his kids got that, you know. I don't think it was until Jeremy that anybody ever would say no back to my dad, you know. He'd just say, okay, and maybe just not get around to it.

Maybe do it or maybe not. Errol's always really clean and When I actually— maybe I remember a little bit more when we were in high school, because I think I was a senior and you were a freshman. And always dressed really nice for that time. Mother took a lot of pride in Errol because Errol dressed and was neat the way she wanted, you know, a young man to be really neat and really care about himself. He shined his shoes and tucked his shirt in and always looked— he was very, very handsome in high school. Very handsome. And a great dancer. Terrific dancer in high school. And it was fun having him for my brother. I mean, you know.

He would dance with Juliana, dance with her friends.

Yeah, he danced with my friends. Yeah. Betty, Ruth.

The girls older than me, because they were good dancers, and I thought they were That was kind of neat, about dance with the older girls. Yeah. I remember Dad telling us a story about the train ride you two took one time.

Oh, the train ride. Well, see, I was still in high school. So how old were you? I was probably 16, so maybe you were 12, or was I still in high school?

Had to be 12. I don't feel like I was older than 12.

Yeah, it seems like— I mean, that was a big deal.

Where'd you go?

Well, we went to Chicago to pick up Terry. Terry was getting off his mission. And so, and he was going to drive a car home from Chicago. So I don't know where this idea came from, but they decided that Errol and I could ride the train to Chicago and Terry would meet us. And we'd drive home, see Jerry in Duluth, Minnesota, and come back. So this is really big stuff. And it was nicer then. I mean, trains were not—

This was a dome liner.

Yeah. And the clientele on trains weren't, you know, trashy or anything. It was a good way to travel. It was a good, safe place, way to go. Mother packed us this wonderful lunch. Never I forget.

Donuts.

We never had donuts. She stopped at the bakery and got donuts. And, I mean, it was huge. A big sack or two big sacks.

We were going to be on the train for a day and a half or something.

We had to sleep overnight on the train.

It was expensive to eat in the train, and so that was not unusual to bring some food.

So, We were there and they were telling us goodbye and we got on the train and the train got started. I don't know how long it was, but we discovered we left the lunch sitting by the side of the tracks. I mean, not a lunch. It was things that, I don't know what kids wish they had now, but their parents don't usually buy. I mean, they're expensive things food-wise to buy. Donuts were a big thing. Howie had canned donuts. Bottles of pop or something like that in. But that was the trip, and I remember we didn't have a berth, but we sat just two seats. And I remember that night us getting into pajamas and sitting in our seats. But we finally decided that we'd go eat. We had no food, so we decided we'd go eat in the in the diner car. I mean, I've never been to a diner car. But that was a big thing. Went in, and I don't remember too much about it. You know, I mean, we were really naive. Sitting there in order. I remember a black porter, or, you know, whoever, helping us. It was nice. I mean, they put a Because I remember they put a tablecloth on the table and there was, you know, a little flower vase and it was very, very nice.

I think we had French toast, kind of a— tasted real good to us because we were getting hungry. French toast of some kind. It was probably the cheapest thing on the menu. Probably. You had a little bit of money with you?

Oh yeah, I'm sure we did.

But then another time we stopped somewhere, me and Ruth.

Oh yeah.

And I decided to get off the train. We were going to be there 20 minutes or half an hour. And I decided to get off and try to run and buy some candy bars or something. And a train to the side of us started to move. And your illusion is that you're moving when you see a whole train moving beside of you. And Julie was sitting there thinking I was off the train.

Panicked, because he hadn't come back. You know, somewhere in the Midwest. Remember we talked about that those several times. You'd say, "Maybe I could get off next time we stop and we could run and get something." That was a big adventure, a major adventure.

One of the train adventures that you weren't part of is we went to Omaha on the caboose.

Oh, Dad.

John and I rode a caboose from Cokeville. He had 3 carloads of cattle, and you could have somebody ride the caboose free for each carload of cattle. And he just signed me and John on. You were supposed to be 21 years old.

Why did Dad call you Yaha?

They went to Mexico and took a trip with Sid or somebody, and there was some little kid named Yaha in Mexico. And when they got back, my nickname was Yaha.

I mean, he'd always call you that. He called you— that's one thing, that's a memory I have.

You never heard of that before?

Oh, all the time he'd call me Yaha. And that one memory I have of being in Grover in the little house is Errol— we both slept upstairs. He slept in the boys' bedroom and I slept in, you know, just opposite in the girls' bedroom. And it would get cold. Cold upstairs. I mean, we're talking cold. And I remember this feeling of being in the covers and Dad had come to the bottom of the stairs and he'd yell, "Yah-ha!" Errol has to get up and I just snuggle down in the covers. I think, oh, that must have been torture.

That was the worst sound in the world, to hear your name being called upstairs and you'd see your breath in the bedroom, getting up and getting dressed.

He played the piano. And it was always, it was very hard on me. I think it was, it probably was the one thing that damaged my personality growing up. No, it didn't damage my personality. It put a crimp in my piano playing talent. And that is, we both took piano from Jane Eddins. She loved Errol. Errol flourished for her. I was a nervous wreck under her. She was very strict in everything. She loved Errol's personality. She loved Errol. He was a boy. He was playing the piano. She just thought he was wonderful. And I, it seemed like I couldn't do anything right for her. He could do everything right for her. And he did well on the piano during that time.

I didn't remember you took piano at that time.

Well, see—

I like Jean. I like Jean and Boyd. They were great people.

She was really nice.

Real idols, so I was real happy.

In high school, you were a freshman class president or something, maybe?

Senior class president.

It seems like you know this.

Senior class president, '77.

You didn't end up at BYU at the same time, ever, I don't think.

No. Yes, when I was a freshman, you were a senior. You were living with John in those little red brick—

Oh, after I was married.

Little red brick places. Something I had to do for Julie though was when she had dates, I'd have to shovel out the snow to the front door, which we never used. Never. Summer or winter, we never used the front door.

But when my date came, he came to the front door.

It was on the wrong side of the house. It was on the It's on the north side of the house. We never used it, but I'd have to shovel the snow at the front door so her date could come to the front door.

My date being specifically Lee. And mother, mother had to have him come to the front door too because that was, that was probably part of it. That was, uh, until we put some mistletoe up in the doorway.

I think we had to kiss when we went to get the shovel.

Well, that was hard. I remember Errol's girlfriend, Patty, in high school.

She was good for me. She's one of the reasons I played the piano.

She was a mover.

She was so accomplished in piano and academics and cheerleader and Very motivated. She was one of the good things that happened to me. I was about a nervous wreck. The pressure to achieve for Patti. So did you go out there after your mission ever? No, she got married during the mission. I stepped into her job.

Trying to remember any other specific things. Christmas time. Christmas time, lots of times when we were little, and you know, we're talking young, we'd sleep together upstairs on Christmas night up in the boys' bedroom. Oh, I remember. I remember the great Christmas. Errol and I were up there. It was misery. It was misery. You know, your parents would say, "Go to bed at 8 o'clock." You know, and you just, "Ooh, how can I go to sleep? It's Christmas Eve." And you know, you'd watch the clock. 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 9:05, 9:06. It just seemed like forever. So this night, Errol and I decided that we would get up and change the clocks. I don't know how old we were. I mean, we had to have been a little bit smart to do that. We went down in Mother and Dad's bedroom and changed their clock about 4 hours. Do you remember this?

Yeah, I don't remember it being quite 4 hours.

Yeah, I think it was about 4 hours. I think it was like 2 and we put it to 6 or something like that. Because they weren't asleep until 2. The alarm went off. And everybody got up, and I think we got up and started opening things.

What happened?

What was the sequel there?

I think we went through the whole seat stash. We got up and did our thing, because it was dark that time of year anyway.

Yeah, see, so nobody knew.

Just the fact that it never got light for 3 or 4 hours was a clue that something was not right.

I don't remember how they found us out or what the consequences were. What Daddy said, or anything about it. And then, I remember another Christmas, and I don't know if you were involved or not, but I know I was. Mother and Daddy went somewhere. They did a lot of square dancing. And Mother and Daddy went somewhere, and there were these gifts under the tree. And it wasn't Christmas Eve, it was before. And we opened some gifts and wrapped them back up.

I don't remember that.

Remember that?

I don't think I was there.

Yeah. Only it was real disappointing. I remember one being Daddy's, a Pendleton shirt for Dad. You know, Mother never marked her gifts. And it was really a downer anyway, you know, when you'd done that. It was really kind of awful.

Dad got into Christmas. He always tried to have the best tree. Very opposite than me. I don't get into Christmas. I don't even like Christmas very well, except what other people do I like. But any effort on my part is— but what was I gonna say? He got into Christmas? Oh, one Christmas up in Grover, I remember. Mom usually, you know, she was very practical. We'd get gifts that were needed, sweaters and coats. There weren't a lot of frivolous things. But I remember one Christmas up in Grover that, you know, everybody opened their presents and I had a couple of presents and opened them and kind of kept looking around and that was all. I thought, I didn't get much this Christmas.

Really?

Yeah.

I don't remember that. But I remember Dad coming, and Edna coming home with the tree, and it was always, it was a big deal, big deal. Ho, ho, ho, you know, and he'd come and he was so excited about bringing the tree in. And he'd get the mail and he was excited about bringing the Christmas cards in. I mean, Daddy loved Christmas. It was a big deal all the way around for him.

Was he into some trains too, or something?

Yeah, the kids had Lionel, a wonderful little Lionel train. He loved shopping. Oh, and he just loved to—

He'd shop for days to find a better thing or a better price. Of course, it was wintertime and he had more time usually in the winter to do things and shop and go.

But I remember doing more with Errol. It's funny, I don't remember real specifics because I remember doing more with Errol for a long time than anyone. Because there were like Terry and Jerry, me, Errol, and John. And Terry and Jerry were too old. I mean, they just seemed like 20 years older than me, which now they get closer in age all the time. I think, they're not, they're not that much older. But Errol and I were the closest in age. And so for a long time I felt, you know, my memories are doing things with him. I am sure a lot of things would be sparked if, you know, you think of something and then it sparks.

Dad, on Christmas, and Christmas was on Sunday, he would hook the team up with a little hay on it when we were at Edna and put bells on the horses. And we would go to church with the team and sleigh and pick people up along the way.

Oh, so fun, so fun. Shaking those sleigh bells, they were They were wonderful. It was the most exciting thing.

We lived about a mile from town, and we'd pick up people and go to church in the swing.

It was so fun.

But Julie was, when she was dating, we were still living in Antler. We moved to Grover when I was 16, when I was a junior. Anyway, she'd come home from her dates, and if I was up, then I would go in and she'd tell me about everything. She'd tell me about the boy and tell me this, and we'd kind of sit and talk. She'd bring me up. I was her confidant. So I knew everything she was doing and all the boys. This was kind of neat because I was a big part of her life. And she was dating. Sometimes I'd go with her. Remember when Skinner, Dan Skinner, took you down to the cabin? I don't know if Mom made me go or what the deal was, but I was there on that occasion at least. The car itself was designed so it would crush a Mack truck. All the way around, everybody loses. The car wins. We were looking in Grandpa's car today, and some of the extraordinary things they put in these old small things. It had a steering wheel that started to— it had a V coming out almost at the dashboard. The V went out to here, and then the horn went across, and the steering wheel went across. Completely opposite. I mean, it came in like this, and then the V went almost into the dashboard before it joined the column itself.

We have it on tape.

You take this down, you're going to find it. If you want to restore cars like that, their parts would be pretty rare then, because they were made for such a short time.

Yeah, the model—

They were made for one year. You know, each model was different.

It's dinner now.

I don't think so. Where's this thing put up here? There we go. That's good stuff. So, Jerry, what do you remember about Errol when he was younger? Errol who? This guy over here, do you recognize him? What's the age difference also? Well, I'm— let's see, I'm 49. I'm 48. I said I'm 10 years younger than he is. Okay, so he's 48, I'm 38. He was born when you were 10? Yeah. I remember we used to call him Yahoo. That's on there now. Why, I don't know. It's a Yahoo. John McKellar said that it's because Dad said Yahoo when Errol was born. I didn't know if it was before or after the inception. Anyway, I remember Errol falling out of the car, out of the Plymouth. I didn't, I wasn't there. His folks came home late when they'd been to Afton one night and they brought Errol home and he was wrapped up like a mummy. Just had his eyes. And he had fallen out of the backseat of the car going, they said, about 60 miles an hour and rolled and rolled and rolled. And when they brought him back, he was all bandaged up. He said he'd have probably really hurt him bad if he hadn't been on his head. Is that what they said? Because that explains a lot of things. That's what they said. Played the piano. He harassed John, gave John a bad time. It's the reason that John has had a persecution complex. He's been trying to prove something ever since. That's the reason John's so successful too. He wouldn't have been anything without Harold, right? Did you ever realize John was obnoxious? With Richard? No, John was not. John was inquisitive. He was always thinking and wanting to know and asking questions. I was kind of quiet. And I thought, does he insist to be quiet? Pesky and repetitive. He'd ask the question again and again and again. Just keep right at it. And— Oh, Sean's the boy.

Just ask.

He had some question, he'd just ask and ask and ask. And Dad would shove him aside. Anyway, it was kind of— it laid the foundation for John's later work when he got to where he had less barriers to use. He could move forward without these big people slowing him down. But John still I said, this is not an interview about John. We're talking about John. I was just about to redirect there. We love John, by the way. We do. Yes. We expect John to support us some. Do you notice the Bagley laugh we got going on here? I noticed that. We've got it all on film, all this time. We figured it's genetic. At least that's my conclusion. Some of it's from the call line. The calls do the breath laugh too. I don't know about the breath, but the calls will do, hahaha, hahaha, sort of thing like that. Rob Bagley's more of a, hahaha. Jerry and I didn't have that much interaction because he was gone to college on his mission by the time before I was even in high school. Store. So, I was just the younger brother, and I was kind of glad when Terry and Jerry left, because then I got to do things. I got to drive the Caterpillar. I got to, you know, before you're just the funky, the run-and-fetch boy, and pretty soon you came into your own on the farm. You got to drive the equipment. Who stopped? I don't remember much. I mean, Jerry and Terry were always just the older brothers. They were dating in high school when I was a little kid. And then by the time I got in high school, they were in college. So there wasn't much interaction until later in life. Jerry and I did a few things in business and had a good time. Our goal now in life is to go sit in front of Teton West in a couple of rocking chairs and chew straw while John and Terry go in and out and kick up dust, kick up a lot of dust. We just sit there and chew straw and talk. Be the silent partners. Silent to the extent that we At least can laugh. One of the best things Jerry did for me was we were building a barn in Dubois, a business, and we had the cement laid out and it was time to frame up the building, but he couldn't come. And he told me how to to lay the 2x4s down on the ground, measure them off 2 feet on center, and put a bottom plate and upper plate, cut your top plate off so the adjoining wall could come in over the top of it, how to make your headers for windows. And he was doing this all just on pencil or something. And it was fairly straightforward once you saw it. So, I went up the next day with some help and framed the whole square of the building up. I think, pretty much, before he got there. He knew how to do it. He'd done it. I had never done it. I was real proud of myself that I laid the building up. Of course, there was margin for error in the building, so it's still standing. The wind blows through a little bit, but it's still standing. Still standing. They'll probably live quite a long time, too. They made a Texaco station out of it now. Painted it gray. Texaco? So it's pretty.

It's been too long waiting for July. Warmer months just seem to change their leaves and pass me by. All my groceries now, half gallon of Brokow. You can't eat ice cream when it's this cold outside. Side of my house is full, stockpiling groceries for this long unbearable winter. You're the ice cubes in my soul. My shoes don't have grip on the bottom. I slip, I have fallen, and I can't get upstairs. The tub overflows. I take off all my clothes for this long, unbearable winter. This calendar trend, will this winter ever end? But when it's done, will I just go outside and act like like this had never been. When I wake, it's here again. Pull out your tube socks, 'cause the winter's here to stay.