Sean Clayton | From Prison to Purpose: How Losing Everything Unlocked a Life of Greatness

What's up, gang? Welcome to The Greatness Machine. I'm your host, Darius Mershadzadeh. I'm so pumped to have you here with me. Now listen, The Greatness Machine, we're about two things. Number one, people who are living their passions. And number two, those who are creating greatness in the world and doing both of these things despite the odds against them. Each episode, we're going to feature interviews with game changers and business leaders telling us their origin stories, what made them tick, what got them to where they are now. Why? So it can help you step into your greatness within your life, your business, and your career. Occasionally, you might hear a few solo episodes from myself, moi, as I say, as I I leverage my 20 years of entrepreneurship as a CEO and founder to help you grow and level up in your journey to scale your life and your business. So come be a fly on the wall, enjoy the conversation, and I'm stoked to have you here with me. Guys, welcome to this episode of The Greatness Machine. I'm your host, Darius Merschausee. And boy, do we have a special guest live from the studio here with my main man, Sean Clayton.

What's up, brother? Brother, it is great to be here. Thank you for having me.

Man, I'm so pumped. I, um, I was, so we were in a studio that used to be someone else's studio that you have, you guys have like built and taken over. And I was like telling Sean before the show started, I said the first time I saw the studio was like 5 years ago and I was so fucking jealous. I was like, I want that to be mine. I was like, you're a loser. All you do is these online shows. But, and so I'm like, things come full circle and here, here we are. It's now your studio and you guys have made it your own. It's beautiful, man.

Thank you.

Thank you. Excited for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was like a bad omen on this place. I mean, I think, you know, like what happened here, but It's, it's been cool to bring a different energy, to clear the energy, to just see it start to come to life. And, you know, omens are a moment of the past, so like she bringing that into reality, and that was kind of cool.

Did you guys, uh, what'd you do as part of your clearing?

Uh, so there's a lazy lady named Stacy Davenport that we brought in. She did like a whole like energetic feng shui clearing and like literally reset everything. Um, we did a couple like sound bowl things, a lot of sage.

Yeah, I was gonna say all the things, all the things. Yeah, like what is it, what's the Mexican one that people use?

Oh, I know, you know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, really strong Whenever I do, whenever I have parties at my house, we clear with it after.

Do you really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I got a bunch of randoms in my house sometimes. You do? I'm like, I don't know these people. I don't know what their souls have been doing. Exactly. What would past life shit they brought in my house. People carry it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, right? Exactly. Well, man, so first of all, welcome to the show. I'm glad. I'm pumped to do it here in your studio.

I'm honored.

Yeah. Yeah. It's been, it's been years in the making.

We've been talking about it for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we had it scheduled, then we didn't, then we had it scheduled and we didn't. So it's finally done. But we're making it Yeah, there we go.

Yeah. So, um, so guys, so I met Sean, I met you at a dinner, right? So it was at a dinner, it was with Daniel.

Yes.

It was for like when the whole thing happened in Israel.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to that dinner, that fundraising dinner. Yeah.

So, so Sean walks in with his wife Sophia, and, and they, they have like, like, like tons of style, right? And so my wife and I are like, I'm like, dude, they've got some swag, you know? And, uh, and we sat next to each other, had a great conversation, and and I was like, I wanna be friends with that dude. And then it was like about a year ago we dropped in, we had coffee. And then we went deep and I was like, dude, I'm like, this guy's super fucking interesting.

Thank you.

I mean, so man, like excited. I think from that point I'm like, oh, we should do a podcast together. Right, right, right. It took a little while, but we made it happen.

We finally got it in. Here we are, man. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be here and I'm ready to jump in. So, You mean I'll tell a little bit about me?

Yeah, do, do the, like, I, I was telling, I was telling Sean before the show that I always have, like, I do virtual shows as you guys know. So I didn't have the, I don't have my normal, like, like 3 screens up. And I was like, fuck, I screwed up. I didn't bring his formal bio. So if you wouldn't mind, can you give the audience like, like, like top 3 bullet points? Like, like, like, you know, like a, like your elevator pitch of who are you, what have you been working on, what's some of your history? And then I'd love to go into origin story. Like how'd you get to where you got to?

Yeah. Yeah. All right. So Sean Clayton, marketing has been my trade. If somebody were to look at it, go to LinkedIn and then figure that out. I've helped bring 9 brands to exit over $1 billion through direct-to-consumer marketing, which has been cool. Then at that point I set up my own agency. Well, I did that as part of it, set up my own agency called Myosin. So I have Myosin and it does that with AI everywhere it's going right now. We've actually pivoted in a huge way to being more of an agentic group that actually builds marketing products for brands. So we've shifted that whole venture journey, which is actually great. It's like been one of the most cool things that I've done. And then that's created products for all the other companies that we run at this point. So we have a portfolio called Mindful Ventures, and inside of that we've invested in over 30 companies. We have a handful of others that we are actually incubating and growing ourselves. One's called Teleos Health, which is a regenerative health platform primarily focused on getting people in on GLP-1s and then tackling that into peptides, exosomes, and gene therapy. Nice. Right. Then I run an integrated spirituality platform called the Miracle Academy. And so the Miracle Academy is not only like, hey, I want to go and like learn how to let go of my childhood trauma, work on myself, become like truly like a wizard, if you wanted to call it that. But how do we do that in the world of AI and where things are today? Right? So then I could actually take what I'm doing, understand how to integrate that with this, you know, I'm going to call it this foreign technology, alien technology, if you wanted to call it that, that's come into our world, that's made life amazing. And then put, help people put together playbooks so they could change their lives, save themselves, and then navigate this crisis that we're going into. Nice.

Yeah. So I'm assuming you weren't doing the agentic alien healthcare auto marketing stuff the day you're born. Yeah. Some of your background, man. Like, yeah. You know, like, like how did you get to like this stage where you like, you know, have this awesome life where you have this portfolio of businesses and you're doing all this like, you know, cutting edge stuff. I'd love to hear some of the background stories.

Yeah.

I mean, I know it obviously, but I want you to teach the audience.

Yeah. So background story. I mean, I grew up in Dallas, Texas. I lived there the majority of my life outside of going to school in Houston, University of Houston. Which was a rebellious act. I'll tell you a little bit about that in a minute. I then ended up in this space where I was chasing after all of my— all of the things that broke me when I was younger. So when I was younger, I was sexually abused between 9 and 14 years old. That was like a big breaking point for me because I was such this like crazy innocent kid. And that exposed me to just what I would call the— if you wanted to call it the wrongness of life. And I didn't really know what to do with that. So then I had this massive like chip on my shoulder to prove the world differently. And then that put me on this tack of people pleasing and affirmation. So the more that I could people please, the more I can get affirmation, the more that I would end up doing. Mm-hmm. Right. So got great grades in school, 1590 on my SAT, got into Harvard. That was my rebellious act. Didn't go, went to University of Houston instead of Harvard, ran track there. Right. I ended up, um, after that going into, um, you know, the workspace and got the most rebellious job that I could be, like literally working in a call center selling medical staffing. And so I was like making 300, 400 calls a day, you know, but I went from starting at $30,000 and making $275,000 my year one right out of college through that to doing about a couple million dollars a year and not revenue, but actually an income for me. Wow. And that was when I was about 27, 28 years old. So I was like, I was always the guy that would go after it really hard, but then I would also spend it really hard because I didn't feel worthy. So I felt like I had to give it away to people. Then that turned into me working, building my own staffing company with my godfather. That was like when I was around 27 years old. Wanted to have a kid, brought one into the world right around 30, right? Yeah, you're around 30 because I'm 47 now and he's 17. So into the world around 30 years old. But in that window of time, my business partner was my godfather, ended up embezzling a ton of money. Oh, wow. Um, it was about $16 million, uh, partially from my company, partially from another company he owned. He disappeared to Africa. I was stuck with the bag and, uh, went to prison for 46 months. Damn. That's how I got into marketing. So there's a deeper story to that if we wanted to get into it, but that's how I got into marketing because I was, when I was in the, I actually messed up my pretrial cuz I was supposed to stop working for the company and I didn't cuz I wanted to keep it going cuz I felt so guilty. Again, my people pleasing, my affirmation, things like that. And so I kept going after it, going after it, going after it. And the government's like, you're supposed to stop doing this. You violated your pretrial release. We're gonna, this is like 3 days before Christmas. We're gonna send the marshals to come get you. You're gonna go to jail. Now mind you, the case that this was all out was out of DC. So I end up going up there cuz I feel like I could talk my way outta anything. Literally stood in front of the judge and I'm like, hey, um, here's the deal. Like I was really trying to take care of these people. He's like, but we told you not to do this. Did you do it? I'm like, yeah. He said, all right, you got 2 options. You either gonna go to jail, you're gonna go to the halfway house.. And I'm like, all right. So I look over my attorney and I said to him, um, would, do you mind, you know, which one should I do? He said, well, if you go to jail, you get credit for time served. If you go to the halfway house, um, you know, you don't, you're gonna get jail time because of the amount of money that was taken. Okay. And the government has a 98% conviction rate and you're gonna lose. So you can't really fight this and you already kind of told them everything. And so there's certain things on you that are gonna come back. So., you know, you might as well, you know, take the, you know, take, you're gonna, you're gonna—

So you hadn't done a plea deal at this point?

I hadn't done a plea deal at this point, but I was just all on pretrial and the plea deal was now coming up. So we were working on the plea deal. So I actually had a constructed kind of deal situated and then I messed it up and then we had to redo it and then I went into sentencing.

What was, well, so your deal, so when, when you said that you kept working, was this in the business that they were basically suing you on?

This was the business that got, that embezzled the money.

So there was a business that embezzled the money and you were still working in that business?

I was still working in the business. Yeah. And was it still con—

conducting criminal activity or was it? No, no, no. It was normal. It's normal.

So the really, the criminal activity was that my godfather double factored invoices. Okay. So you're not factoring work.

So that means he basically sold debt finance to two different companies.

And this was before banking was fast. This was like 2007, right?

We call it double funding in mortgage.

Yeah.

There you go.

So he was double funding, double funding. Yeah. Factoring. Okay. And so he is taking our invoices, selling them to banks, getting the money in, and then we were using our profits cuz we were growing. So the more we would grow, the more we could take from profitability and then catch up and then pay the whole thing back. I didn't know he was doing this. Oh wow. I had no idea he was doing this, right? So, oh yeah. Once I found out, so he would disappear, go to Africa for 6 months, come back. And then when he came back, no, so he was gone at one point. This bank comes in, they're like, hey, you haven't paid in this period of time. I was like, we don't even work with you. We work with this other factoring company.

Oh shit.

And they were like, well, you need to fix this. And it was, it was to the tune of about $4 million. So I was able to get enough money minus $600 grand to get that fixed. And then that's where my criminal activity, I guess you would call it, started.

Because you paid them off or whatever.

So I paid them down $3.4 million of the cash that we were bringing in over a period of time. And then there's $600,000 left. I went to a hospital that we were doing business with. I asked if we could advance bill them for the $600,000. They said, sure. Sent me the $600,000 check, sent it into the bank. That went away. So that wasn't the issue. Okay. The issue is now the $600,000 that when I ended up calling the cath lab manager to ask him for it, he didn't have capital expenditure approval. To be able to send me anything over $100 grand. So when he sent it to me, he got his hand slapped. He's about to lose his job. He asked me to help him fix it. I ended up, now mind you, I'd never gotten detention or anything ever in my life. I went on the dark web, navigated into the dark web to figure out how to hack into the hospital system, wrote emails between him and his wife. Which, I mean, that's just my criminal idea.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say, I'm like, that's, that's like probably not on the up and up. No, it's not on the up and up. But I wanted to help him out. So I wrote emails between You're a good friend, dude.

Yeah, exactly. Between him and his—

Hey, because I run the show, I got to see and talk to you. We're not doing that.

I am done with all that. I love my life, my wife, and my kid way too much.

No, I'm playing, man.

Me too. But yeah, I, uh, but I did that because I was like, my people-pleasing affirmation. You see, there's these patterns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, ended up doing this, fixing it, and he was fine. Kept his job, no big issue. Year goes by, hospital's doing an audit. They're getting sold. They see this IP breach, track it back. Um, mind you, I didn't even do like VPN 'cause I wasn't thinking about that. Tracked it back to my house, found out that it was me. Came one day, I was changing my son's diaper, knocked on the door, opened the door, handcuffed me, asked me what I did. Now mind you, I'm like terrified. I'm like, look, uh, I'll tell you anything. I did this, I did this, I did this. I promise you I have none of the money. I actually gave the money back to the hospital. Like, this wasn't a thing. This is what I was trying to fix. I'm like, oh, okay, great. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for telling us that. You'll hear from the US Attorney in about a week. And then I got a call from the attorney. Look, we want to get my godfather. I won't use names on this one, but we want to use, uh, we want to get your godfather. Um, cause we see what he did and like basically his kids and everything else got in trouble for this thing. So they, uh, they ran downhill. Um, ended up asking me to help facilitate getting him, but he's gone to Africa. I can't get this guy. Where in Africa did he go? Ghana. Yeah.

Who was he from?

Africa? He's from Africa. Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's him and his whole family from Africa, Ghana and everything.

Yeah.

Ghana. Okay. Yeah. So that whole thing happened and then I, um, did they get him?

No, he's just like, he's gone. Yeah.

I mean, he's like, he's like, come get me. Yeah. $16 mil and he's gone.

Yeah, dude. He's, that's like $160 mil there probably.

Yeah. Yeah. That's like, yeah. Yeah. So several other people, there were several other people that he was involved with and all those, what's interesting is karmically two of them ended up dying.

Wow.

Um, from like one ended up getting a brain, brain cancer and another one had like a seizure and died.

These are his family members that are in Ghana with him?

There were people that he was associated with that were business partners in this whole deal. So there were four business partners across the business. 5, and there was him, another guy, my father, me, and another one.

Oh, and, and so who got in trouble besides you?

And I guess, well, nobody. I'm the one that took everything because basically it disconnected. They all pointed at him. He was the one that's in trouble, right? But you've done this other thing. I've done this other thing, and then I'm the one that took the hit.

That's a brutal— like, I mean, look, it's never good to do anything bad.

I'm right.

I'm not dismissing that, but like, 4 years like, dude, there, there's a guy I know.

Yeah.

That I met at a event here in Austin. I'm gonna just put it in the context, right?

Yeah.

Because that's like, yeah, it, assuming everything, all thing you said is like the whole story, right?

Yeah.

So I'll assume that like, okay, you broke into their system and reconfigured stuff so the guy doesn't get into trouble to show the money's there and then they get the money, right?

Right.

Is that about it?

That's it. Now there's other things like when I violated my pretrial, you get points. So in the federal system, it, it, it's all points, points. And then once you get to a certain threshold, it's just, they just Transact some of that.

So had you not violated your pretrial, what would you have gotten?

I would've gotten like 24 months, something like that.

All right. We'll use that.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a dude I know. Yeah. I'm not gonna say his name, but I met him at like a mastermind that I spoke at like 5 years ago. And he's a young guy. He's like 29. Yeah. He was a, I'm gonna give you some details. So anyone wants to look up these details, you'll find it in 2 seconds. He was a nurse anesthesiologist out of the Mayo Clinic. But he got in, he was doing commercial real estate investing. And, and he's killing it. Yeah. And so anyway, I'm talking to him and he goes, well, you know, we do this thing where basically we, you know, give the buyer a, a second mortgage, but we don't tell the banks about it. Right. Like that's called loan chunking. By the way, I'm an expert in mortgages, right? So like, right. Like that's called loan chunking is like, it's wire fraud. Right. You can't do that.

Right.

You can't ever do something and not disclose it to the lender.

Right.

Because like they're basically lending based off of a set of risks that they're assuming. Right.. And I said, hey man, have you talked to your lawyer about that? Because that sounds like fraud. Right, right. Like, I'm like, and then he's like, well, we don't ever tell the banks. I said, whenever you say the words we don't tell the banks, right, that's like where you start like ringing the bell that you were doing something really bad.

Right, right, right.

And you're probably like gonna go to jail. And he just kind of blew me off, but he kept like blowing me up, starts texting me his bank statements because he's trying to get me to like do business with them, right? To make, because he was basically getting people to like doctor, he prayed on doctors, which is kind of funny, right? Because they're like, know-it-alls, right? And they're like basically doing illegal shit, not knowing it. Um, anyway, long story short, he did like a few hundred million dollars worth of deals, maybe a billion dollars worth of deals. He ended up making like $40 million, $35, $40 million of cash in his pocket, right? And he got arrested, right? Like, it went down like a couple years ago. Took 3 years for him to go to get to— he's going to prison now, right? They gave him 3 years.

Oh yeah, he probably told on a bunch of people though.

I think he was, but I, yeah, maybe. Yeah.

Right. Right. Like if he was like, if he, and I'll, I'll say this, if, you know, cause they were like, who do you, cause they came to me, who do you know?

Right.

This is what would have made my deal. I could have gotten like 6 months. Who do you know that we can go to and help us get other cases? So can you build a RICO or other cases against other people?

And did you just not have them or you don't?

I don't know anybody, dude. Like, like I, I started drinking when I was 21, literally. Okay.

Like I'm a nerd. I'm a super nerd.

Right. I didn't like get in it. I knew no drug dealers. I knew nobody. I knew nothing. I was like, I got nothing for you. Yeah. You know? So like, Do you have anything? I was like, I don't know anybody.

Yeah.

That's fucked up, man.

Yeah. That's the thing where it's like, hey, this dude, you're what, 28, 29? Yeah. This is, I mean, dude, like, look, you're like barely a man.

Yeah. Yeah. Like no offense.

No offense. Like, but like when you're 20, you think you're a man when you're 20 or 29.

You do.

But dude, you're still kind of a kid.

Yeah.

You know, you're just, you just got done being a kid. Right. Right. So like he just got done being a kid. He clearly did something fucking stupid.

Right. It was dumb.

And like, And it's your first offense. You have no criminal background. It's like, dude, that's, you, that's a hall pass, man.

Right.

Like, that's like, you probably should get, should have got a shit ton of community service.

Yeah.

And that would've, that would've probably served society better.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

But I will say it would've maybe, I, it was, this was the, I mean, it was interesting. It was in 2008 when all the mortgage crisis and everything happened. Yeah. Right. So I was like, I went away like right in that window of time. I missed that whole thing. Like I missed the whole—

That's a nice thing to miss. 'Cause it sucked. I heard, I heard it sucked. I lived through that. Those, I call that my 5 years of entrepreneurial purgatory.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like we're like, you just couldn't make money.

You're like, oh, I just wanna, I went to, I went on vacation.

Yeah. And I got out, I was 33 years old. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna start life over again. I had an entire plan of what to do. When my halfway house thing happened, that's where I learned about marketing because I was literally at a deal. I, I could get a job when I was in the halfway house. So I go back, I, they said, you go, you can go to jail or you can go to prison, but you go to the halfway house. So I was like, I'll go to jail. So I'll get credit for, sorry, I'll start the clock. I went in there like day 2, somebody got stabbed. I'm like, okay, I gotta get outta here.

Was this federal or state?

This was federal, but I was in in the DC jail where everything is just like insane. So like everybody in those pods, like whether you're a heroin addict, a murderer, a white-collar criminal, or whatever, everybody's in the same thing.

You said DC like Washington, D.C.?

Washington, D.C., yeah.

Oh, okay.

We're like the worst, like, jail.

That's their federal—

that's their federal holding. Well, they— it— everything in DC is a federal crime.

Oh, okay. So that's the same as state, except DC is like hardcore. Yeah, like there's a lot of crime there.

Yeah. Now mind you, I'd never gotten detention?

No, before this, you were like hardened criminals.

Oh dude, and I'm in there like freaking out.

Okay, did they do the thing where they're like, who you run with? And like, since you're a black guy, like, you got to go hang out with the black dudes. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, they're a bunch of freaking like—

and they didn't like me, right? Because they were like, oh, you talk like a white boy, yeah, get out. Like, so I couldn't hang out with them, you know, they called me white, so I couldn't hang out with them. Um, I had nowhere to go, so I just like stayed in my cell. And then I'm like, once I saw the guy got stabbed, I'm like, I'll just go halfway house.

Yeah. Yeah.

Screw that. So got out, went to the halfway house, ended up working at a car dealership in Alexandria called West Greenways, Alexandria Volkswagen. I saw that, you know, they had like 6 car salesmen. They were doing about 30 cars a month, which you had to sell like 6, 7 cars in order to keep your jobs. The math didn't make sense. One guy making like, selling like 10 to 15 cars a month in the, in the internet marketing department. And like the internet was just kind of like blowing at that point. So I'm like, I wanna do what he's doing. Like, you can't, there's only one. I'm like, what if I buy my own ads? They're like, you do whatever you want. So I ended ended up getting some money from my dad, buying my own ads, ran like $200, turned it into like 10, 10 appointments. Then I kept doing it over and over again, and I was selling with about a 30% close rate. So, and I never sold cars before, so I kept investing my own money, building my own landing pages. People come ask for me, and then I became really good. Like, I was the number one sales guy.

And what was your commission per deal?

Um, it was anywhere between like $500 to $1,000.

Yeah. So dude, you'll spend— and it's $200, we get you how many leads roughly?

Back then, not now, but yeah, back then, back then, back then. I mean, I would get— I I got— when I got 10 leads, I sold 3 cars. So yeah, the math was—

so this made $1,500-ish. Um, $200? Yeah. Oh yeah, it's wash and repeat. Yeah, all the other one. And this is after jail or before?

This was before.

Oh, so you did this when I was waiting on pre-trial?

Pre-trial, yeah. While I was waiting, I would get sentenced.

And how long was pre-trial for you?

Uh, it was about 4 months. I did this for 4 months.

That's actually pretty fast for federal prison. Yeah, there's people that like— they're like, Darius, why do you know so much about this? I'm like, I'm like, I've friends— I've— I have a very good friend that went to prison, so yeah, he taught all, he like told me the ins and outs. Some people were on pre-trial for like years. Oh, I know.

I know. Yeah.

I know. Which is wild if you think about it. You're like, your life gets put on hold.

Yeah.

You know, I'd like the, the prison system's a whole different—

it's a wild thing. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't that interesting to them. They just wanted, I had nobody to get, they wanted to process me through. There was no like back and forth. You generally takes a long time because you're either helping the government with something that's bringing your points down. So you're like doing a whole thing to get less time.

Got it.

Got it. While working with the government, whether you're in jail or like you could be in prison and working with them to like help bring your points down. Okay. You know, I have a buddy of mine that did that and he had like 48 years and he brought it— well, a cousin, I would call him a cousin, not a buddy. 48 years, like, you crazy crimes. And then he brought it down to like 2 and a half years. Wow. Like everybody.

Well, in federal is like, like, like, it's interesting, depends on what state you're in, but some of these states, like, you can do the same exact thing for a state and you do it on federal and it's like probation 10 years. Yeah, exactly. You're like, what? And in federal it's like, what, 85% time served, right?

Yeah.

So if you get like, someone gets charged with a federal crime, which a lot of times it's like, if it's on the internet, it's federal versus if it's like at a store in a city, you know, it's like the exact same thing. It's, it's, it's the more I learn about it, the more I'm like, this is kind of jacked up. And then they privatize the prisons now.

Yeah.

So then you're like, dude, this is like not cool. Like we're not really helping society. We're actually just like cutting like exorbitant checks for not good outcomes.

But to Bob Barker, who was like actually the clothing provider inside of prison.

Bob Barker, the guy from The Price is Right.

Yeah, dude, everything was like Bob Barker toothbrushes, toothpaste, clothes. He had a whole prison brand. That's when I went in there, I'm like, Bob Barker, weird, dude. Like boxer shorts, everything was Bob Barker. That's so weird.

Whole business. Yeah, yeah, that's not cool. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not cool with that. No, like, I'm like, I'm like, dude, what's good for society is probably not that.

No, no, no, no, no, it's my ass. But that's how I got good at marketing, building funnels. And when I got out, so I'd studied that when I was in prison.. And then when I got out, I came out and then I learned how to do it. Like, I basically started over again and I was like Volkswagen's number one salesperson. And then I ended up getting into like marketing. Omnicom hired me and I just kind of like went from there.

Let me ask a question. I'm gonna take a huge step back cuz you mentioned you, you, you ran through this really quickly. I didn't know this. So you got into Harvard and then you went to the University of Houston.

Mm-hmm.

That's, is that private or public?

It's pri— public, public university since public. Yeah.

And did you, so did you do track there?

Yeah, I ran track there. There.

What was your event?

Uh, triple jump, long jump, 100 meters, but mostly triple jump, long jump.

And so, and so why did you like, I mean, obviously Harvard is very prestigious and it's like, you know, it's everyone's like, that's like a, you know, it's a big deal to go there. Why did you rebel and say, I'm going to stay in Texas?

I was really mad at, so growing up, growing up, I was really frustrated with my father and my mother dynamics. So anything he wanted me to do, I didn't, even though I did for a little bit. So I went to this really prestigious private school in Dallas called St. Mark's, right? Um, like the Hunts go there, Cuban's kids. Oh, I got friends. There's kids go there. Yeah, really good school, right? And it's like 68 people in my class, like really, like really focused. Like I'm like, everybody that comes out of there does something for the most part. And, uh, so I went there and so like most people, like they train you to do the SAT.

Yeah.

So you just get in and just crush it and you're like, all right. Like, I mean, I got a 1420, like in my sophomore year when I took it.

That's crazy.

Yeah. It was like a really, really, like really good at it. And so then I got a 1590 and then like, oh yeah, you can go wherever you want to go.

Yeah, for sure.

I applied there, applied to like Carnegie Mellon and MIT, several other places. 'cause got into pretty much everywhere except SMU, which is weird. So weird. But, uh, except SMU. And then, um, but I wanted to run track.

And you were doing sports.

Yeah.

So dude, 1590 and you're a good athlete. Like, that's like, you can kind of go anywhere.

You can go anywhere. Yeah. So I got into like great scholarships, had a scholarship to University of Houston. Um, I went down there and, you know, I went to an all-boys private school. So I'm literally in all-boys private school. I go to University of Houston, pretty girls. I'm like, oh, whoa, this is crazy. They take me to this place called the Butt Naked, which is a strip club. Oh, you know, that's like one.

Yeah. And I was like, whoa, this is crazy.

Yeah, they had, they had, they had a buffet there.

I hope so. Like, yeah, I will only go for the buffet. Yeah.

First experience I ever had anything like that. I'm like, this is blowing my mind. I'm like, I gotta go to school here. Yeah. And then my dad's like, no, you don't want to go to school here. And then, you know, Carl Lewis was my— turned to be my coach. Leroy Burrell was my coach.

Yeah, that's kind of So I was like, oh, I'll get trained by them.

And then do the whole thing. So that's, that was my why. Cause it was like freedom. It was different. And I was saying screw you to my dad at the time.

Dude. And those, and Carl Lewis is your coach.

Carl Lewis is my coach.

Yes. That's awesome.

Yeah. So, you know, buffet, butt naked and, you know, Carl Lewis.

It's like the trifecta. Like, you know, like that's like, what more could you, and you're, and you're like getting to tell your dad to go pound sand.

Exactly.

Which when you're 18 and I mean, depending on your relationship, I would— I mean, for me, that would've been like a triple win.

Yeah. Yeah. And my dad was like really hard on my mother and watching all that, you know, growing up and, you know, that cascaded me into just all the other issues into my life. So, you know, it was kind of like one of those rebellious stance that I took, but then finally was able to, you know, overcome it about 2 years ago.

Yeah.

That part of it.

That's good, man. Like, we'll get there. Yeah. So, so you got into marketing. I know you were doing stuff with big brands. Yeah. You started like, talk, kind of tell us how you blew up in that space because you, you've done a lot of that's like led to you having an agency. I want to talk a little bit about that. And I also want to kind of talk about like some of the stuff you do with spirituality, because I think that's been— for me, that was like, I was kind of like, oh shit, I know he's doing that. And then, you know, and you obviously have a gift. So I'd love to talk a little bit about the agency stuff and go to that.

Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, what catapulted me into the marketing deal was of course like learning how to sell the cars, because that's like a hard thing to market. And then when I got out, I got really good at it. And then programmatic advertising came around, which is like the ads that follow you around with like DSPs and Trade Desk and stuff like that. So then I learned how to do that really well. And that ended up kind of like taking me from like this car sales, I don't know what you call it, like really good marketer car sales to being able to then take that same data infrastructure and see it externally. So then I learned, I've, I've self-taught my way the whole marketing thing. Outside of like, I mean, taking a couple of courses like Google courses and things like that, but I pretty much self-taught about it. Then, um, then that put me into a space to where I started working for this, um, mobile location ad company called Sito Mobile and got really good with their data, which is like tracking people based on their mobile phones. And so I was able to understand geofencing, geofencing, you know, within like 3 meters of something. And then I built out a whole product around theatrical fingerprinting.

What does that mean?

What that was is that if you think about theaters, like if you think about the whole movie industry, most times a, a studio has, they spend all the money on marketing, but they have no idea who went to the movie.

Mm.

Right. So like they can never see who goes to the movie, but they're spending $20 to $30 million a film to try to market the movie, but then it's gone and then it ends up in Amazon's world and they don't share the data, or it ends up in Netflix's world, they don't share the data. So it's like they have no concept. So they just keep guessing at what's working and what's not against very specific audiences. It's only on what takes place in the theater. So I ended up working with, uh, Disney, Lionsgate, and several other companies taking mobile, mobile location ad IDs. Looking at the parcel shapefile of a theater, looking at the dwell time when somebody walked in and when they left. So I built this whole technology when they walked in and when they left. So I could predictively say that they saw this movie and then they were clustered in this, then this side.

And you would know who they were.

You would know kind of who they were.

Yeah. The exact person.

Yeah. I could back into the mobile ad. So the mobile location device ID, you could do this right now. You know, you're not supposed to, but you could look at somebody's IP address, mobile location ad ID, household ID and whatnot. You could stitch it together and I could tell you it's you or you're somebody in your family. Interesting. That's how like most people, like if you, you've probably been to like a website before, didn't put your email in, but you got an email. You ever done that before?

I don't know.

You know, it happens every now and then. Probably. There's some tech.

I get so much crap. Yeah. Like I ignore most of it now, but yeah. Okay. I'm pretty good at ignoring it.

Exactly.

But yeah, probably.

Yeah. So that, that technology, that's just the same technology that was this, but we were able to use it for, to help theaters or help studios understand who was going to see their films. Interesting. And then they could turn back around and when like, um, it came to, you know, video on demand, we could then remarket to them, right? Interesting. So we were able to build that out for them and it got, it got pretty big. Um, I took it from like a $10 million company to a $50 million company and then it ended up getting picked up by some Oracle guys and then they just shattered it. And then I was like, well, I don't know what to do next.

Was this your business or was this a business?

No.

With someone else?

I was, it was with somebody else. I got hired in, I got hired as a sales guy and then I ended up building this technology and, uh, with their CTO. And then we ended up, uh, they ended up ruining it, uh, over time.

As, as one does, the, the, the corporate dudes.

Yeah. It was publicly traded, so you know all that stuff like this.

They're like, oh, we could do this one thing and it'll make earnings better this quarter. Yeah. And you're like, okay, dude, I don't even want to start with corporate people. Well, it's just funny, man, because it's different level scale.

Yeah.

Right. So like the, and so what's Charlie Munger's quote? Like, you show me someone's incentives, I'll show you their behavior.

Exactly.

Right. So the incentives are not perfectly lined up. Yeah. And it depends on who's leading the org. What, you know, going back to, so you did 4, you said 46 months or did it cut short because of good behavior?

It was cut short. I did 2 years, 10 months with every, so inside of walls of the camp. So I was in a camp, it was 2 years, 10 months, and then it was 6 months in the halfway house and then I was out.

The 2 and 10 was, so, so you're in a man camp, which is below a level 1.

Yeah.

So that means like it was like a dorm or was it like, like a dorm walled?

It was a dorm. Yeah.

It was a dorm and you leave and go to work and come back.

No, you couldn't leave. But there was, I mean, it's kind, it was like living at a, like a camp, you know, it was like there was our dorm that we lived in. There was a food hall, there was a weight pile, there was a TV room. Room and you would just walk within this little tiny space all the time. And there were like, I don't know, 300 of us, 400 of us.

Yeah. I, I, I had no idea about any of this. And like I said, a friend of mine got, had to go. And so I started like just learning. Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay. Like there's like, it's not all like American me, like getting freaking shanked. No. You know, like that's like that there is like high-level state prisons. I, I had friend, I have a friend who I made, um, after he got out of prison. Prison through, um, you ever heard of Defy Ventures or Hustle 2.0?

I've heard of Hustle 2.0.

Yeah. So do you know Kat? Uh, I don't know. She wrote, that's her, her, her place. So I'm friends with her, but, and her husband's John and he was a dude that he grew up, I think in Texas and like San Antonio. And he ended up going to like Pelican Bay, which is like the deadliest prison in America. And like, and he would roll with like the, essentially the Mexican mafia. So he tells me his stories and I'm like, that sounds like, like, that sounds like when you're watching, like, you know, like, like a, like, what was that one show on Oz? Yeah, yeah, that's like you're watching Oz. It's like, that's Oz. Yeah, you know, and like, man camps are like, no, these are dudes that like did some low white-collar bullshit.

It's pretty chill. I mean, there's moments still in prison, there's moments like where you'll have somebody who worked their way down from a 30-year sentence and is finally on their last bit, and you don't give them ice cream at the right time and they try to stab you. Yeah, yeah, that happened to me twice. Really?

Yeah. But like, did you just— why didn't you start giving them ice? You just learned to give them ice cream?

Dude, it was a whole— it was a whole thing. I'm not even gonna get into the politics of what happened there. I just— I was the guy, Hannah ice cream and I came to the wrong person too fast.

Oh man, it gets sensitive. Yeah, well, yeah, they, you know, there's impulse control issues if you go to a 30-year, right? Exactly. So exactly, they haven't made it all the way out yet. Yeah, that's, that's what I've heard too. My buddy that, that did prison, he went, uh, Sam Bankman-Fried was in prison with him.

Yeah, yeah.

And he got like, he basically got chastised for hanging out with the wrong people. Oh yeah, he was playing pickleball with the wrong people and he got shit for it. And then, um, basically Trump's ex-lawyer Michael Aviati, but like basically was like counseling him.

Oh really?

That's awesome. It's like, it's a story I was told. I was like, he said, I said, well, how's Sam Bankman? He's like, he's such a weird dude. Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, dude, he's autistic and like brilliant, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, so you, you did the man camp, you got out, you got into internet marketing and then, you know, like how did that, you were, you know, you were working for other folks. How did that lead to you starting your own thing?

Yeah. So when I was, I went from the CTO, had no job and then I remember I had pitched one big agency, WPP, which is a really big one. And, uh, one of the main guys there, he is like, Sean, um, I've got this job that's called a solution officer, which is like, you'll sit over the top of GroupM and you run horizontally across the business. I wanna hire you into it. I'm like, great. So I went there, um, worked for them for about a year and a half right before COVID And then COVID hit and all the things that I was doing, I just couldn't do anymore cuz it was all in person. It was, uh, I had this thing I built called the Neuro Lab where I would take people, put 'em in EEG caps, understand like, like where their brain was firing based on like ad responses, stuff like that. Um, when they were looking at ads, when they're looking at ads, trying to gauge on how—

yeah, dopamine to kick in.

Exactly. Yeah, it was super cool watching. Yeah, yeah, super interesting. And we do it for brands and stuff. So I built that out, um, and then I was doing all these crazy like solutioning things and then helped them like land Nike. And then, uh, ended up being like, okay, this isn't for me anymore, uh, just because I was getting people that were interested in what I was doing, but they couldn't afford WPP prices because they need to be at $30 million to $50 million at minimum in spend. Sure. So I ran downhill. Um, a buddy of mine was working for Equinox. He's like, hey, why don't you come consult with me here? And then I did that, helped. They were in coming outta COVID, trying to come outta COVID, and I helped them acquire all their members back.

Oh wow. So this is post-COVID.

This was like 2, like right when like COVID was thawing.

So it was like 2021.

Yeah, right in 2021. So it was thawing and they were trying to get members to come back, but like nobody wanted to come back. So I helped build out the campaigns, do the acquisition, and brought everybody back plus new people. Right. Interesting. So that was, uh, that was that. And then helped launch a brand called Halo Collar, which put the invisible fence in the dog collar., they're not doing $100 million in revenue. Wow. Um, and so I kept like finding brands like that. I'm like, oh, I could just build an agency around this. So I ended up building an agency, um, cool branding and, uh, got out there and just, you know, we had our, we've had our moments. Like we've had our moments where we were really small as me and like 2 other people. We got 30 people, then we kind of like shrunk back down 'cause we're like, there's way too many people. We were like way people heavy. Um, and now we're just like a completely different animal than we were even like 6 months ago, which is while.

Yeah, that's amazing, especially with what's going on with AI.

Yeah, it's like, uh, it's changing everything.

Yeah. Um, well, yeah, well, I'll touch on that in a second because I'm starting new stuff right now and everything's AI first. I'm like, I hate to say it, but I'm like, what, like, convince me why we have to hire a person, right? Like, you need to really convince me because I'm like, what are they going to do that's going to add value that I can't just automate? Exactly. And, and I hate talking like that because I know it's not good for humanity Right. Like in the, in the near term, in the long term, it's probably, probably create a lot of abundance.

Yeah.

As long as we distribute resources properly. But like, so when, like obviously you took jobs when you got out and in, like, was that hard for you? I mean, obviously you get out, you have a felon, you're a felon.

It wasn't hard. No. I mean, the car sales was easy. If you make, what I find is if you make yourself extremely valuable in every room, people look passed.

Yeah. Right.

Interesting. So I would go in and I would make myself really valuable. Now, some of it was like me trying to chameleon and clone myself into what the person wanted. Right. Now it's totally different. Now it's like, I just know who I am and I, you know, stand differently. And even, even like people who wanna invest, I'm like, you need to know these things about me before you do anything. Mm-hmm. Because I don't want you going and looking back and be like, you didn't tell me you're trying to get out. And I'm like, no, I'm gonna tell you who I am. Sure. Right. And I didn't start doing that until, you know, like I would, I would find a job that I could use. Like, what would I put it? If they did like a federal check on me, I didn't take the job. If they did a state check, because the state never showed up, I would take the job.

Oh, and would you ask beforehand?

Uh, no, I just like researched it. I would research and figure out like, oh, well, like a car dealership doesn't do this, this small company. But if I tried to go big within a company, like, I would never get there. And then finally in 2009— was it 2000? No, no, sorry, wait, 2019. I was like, look, I'm just gonna stand in this truth and would happen. Yeah. Just gonna start announcing it to the world. And the more I did it, the more things came at me and I was like, oh, this is actually, I don't need to be ashamed of this anymore. Actually, this became my superpower.

Yeah. Yeah. Which shows you overcame hardship and you're far enough away from it where it's like there's some distance and some lessons learned, right? At least from like an outsider that's like trying to like make sense of it. Right. Right. Yeah. So, so tell us about that because you've obviously, to your point, gone public with, with like this story that I think a lot, and look, I think there's a ton of like probably the wrong type of stigma around prison, right? If, if the whole idea around like prison is, hey, I fucked up and I had to go, I paid the price.

Right.

There's, and especially if there's no recidivism, right?

Yeah.

If recidivism, it's like, hey, like it's kind of like job hopping, right? Right. Like if, if I hire someone and it's like, or I'm looking at to hire someone and like every year and a half they have a new job, I'm like, well, like, did you, like, they keep committing the same crime, right?

Right?

Whereas if someone like has an 18-month stint at a job or 8 months at a job and then they have 8 years at the next job, I'm like, whatever. Yeah, like that's nothing, right? Exactly. They picked the wrong company, right? So like, dude, like my friend Kat, she says, she's like, what if you're known for the worst thing you've ever done in your life? Dude, there's plenty of people that have never gone to prison that have done illegal shit. Right, right. Like probably like, like if just being and driving alone, right? Yeah. Like there's tons of people that have never gotten a DUI that drink and drive.

Exactly.

You know, so like I'm always just like, hey listen, like you, like, like no one's perfect, right? Like we all make mistakes, but like, yeah. Tell us like how, why did you decide to say, to stand in it? You're like, fuck it, I'm just gonna do it.

It was, um, how did I start putting it? It was, it was for me, the person, I'm gonna go backward a little bit. When I started to look at the reality that I was in, I realized that prison was the thing that broke the pattern that would've like led me to death very quickly.

Oh, interesting. Why do you Why do you say that?

Because I was trying to take my life before I went into prison.

Like through like actual suicidal, like, ideation?

Yeah, dude. I mean, I was gonna slit my wrist.

Oh, you were actually trying to kill yourself?

Yeah, I was literally trying to kill myself.

Right.

Well, I probably would've succeeded. Like, why? I, if I go, if I go back to the patterning and seeing what's happening, it was essentially I was, I had created a prison for myself of looking for everybody's affirmation. And every time I got let down, I felt like the world was ending. Okay. So every time it was like, you know, my, my wife at the time didn't lagged me. If something happened with my friends, if something didn't go well at work, I was like, it felt like the end of the world. Mm. Because I never, ever since the sexual abuse happened and going through that for a period of 4 years, which was extremely horrendous. And then looking and then being able to kind of be the pilot of your ship in school. It's like, if you study this hard, you get an A. It's pretty linear, right? If you run this fast, you win the race. When you get outta the world, it becomes a lot more quantum. It becomes like, oh, well you just crushed it and made all these phone calls, but you actually didn't get credit for the thing because your boss took it. And it's like, oh, that was this whole other layer I didn't really understand. Like, nobody could take the credit for the A I was getting in school, right? Nobody could take the gold medal for the 100-meter race that I won, right? If I'd lost, I lost. If I won, I won. It was pretty cut and dry. You get in the world, there's a whole other layer of things that nobody understands. So when I was out there in the world, when I felt like, you know, the people that say they have all these past lives and things like that, like, I felt like whatever soul that I am got injected into this world as such a newbie that I'm looking at everything, I trust everything.

I think I have that too.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, oh yeah, that's, that's a fact. Yeah.

And then it's like taking everything on face value.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is like, Sean, you're stupid. And I'm like, yeah, I just think the good and I see the good in everything and I was doing that. And then when something would break, I would be like, I don't want to live anymore. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And as opposed to being like, well, that sucks and just moving on and moving on.

Yeah. Because do you think that had to do with like the trauma from your experience? Or, you know, of the sexual abuse, that there is like this, I'm not worth anything. Yeah. And so if this— so then like bad equals I'm not worth anything, and since I'm not worth anything, I shouldn't be here.

Yeah. I mean, imagine, imagine you're like, when you're a child, you have such a connection with the divine, right? Most children do. Most children are just like super tapped into something. Sure. Something happens in your life, whether it's, you know, your parents telling you to stop doing something, something at school, something with friends, some betrayal, something, and it's like, oh, it shows you the the reality of life. Oh shit. Right?

So that cuts you off.

It cuts you off from your connection.

That makes a lot of sense, man, because I don't ever remember— it's funny, like, like, you know, you have a child, I have two kids, um, watching them when they're little, right, without having the, the, the shit that cuts you off from the divine, right? The real life stuff that's like, no, life's hard.

Yeah.

You see the magic in the kid, right? Absolutely. And then, and then for me at least, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, it was a mirror because I was like, wait, wait, I was that age when that fucked up thing happened.

Yeah.

Which is why I was really young. I was like 5 or something like that. Yeah, 3, 4, 5. Um, and I remember I was like, broke my heart. I was just like, wow. Yeah, who does that to a kid, right? And I was like, how can you look at that person and do that to that person, right? And for me, that, A, it made me really sad, and B, be like, I never thought about it from the pretense of like, oh, this like turns you off. Like you're like, like that, that portal, that opening to whatever the higher power, it's gone because you're like, now you're anxious, right? You're low vibration. You're like tons of fucking fear, right? Depending on what it is. So how you can, you can't be open with all that.

No, you can't be open. And, and, and to that point is like, after that happened, all I wanted to do was get back to to God. Huh. So how do I get back?

Oh, and that was like—

did you— was that rational for you, or was it rational? It was just like, I know that this world is not for me. Oh, I was like, this world isn't for me. This is way too painful. Well, I feel like there's something on the other side of this that I want to go to.

Oh, interesting.

Right.

Well, you're pretty tapped in, dude. Like, like, like, in a way that's like not normal, I would at least—

like, like, like, that's what it felt like. Yeah, yeah.

So, so like you— well, and you know what's funny? Like, I was talking with a friend about this, and she's, um, she's got some gifts. And, um, she was talking about how there's way more and more therapists now who are like into the woo-woo stuff.

Oh yeah.

And we were just talking about like, why does that— why is that true, right? And the— she was talking with her therapist about it, and she said, well, because there's so many, so many people with so many gifts and talents.

Yeah.

And then for whatever reason, she— and they couldn't explain the reason that people with the gifts, like the, the people on with special powers and gifts are more tapped in and like, you know, have like these, like, it doesn't sound real when you say it. Cause like, I don't know if you, I'm sure you've probably met people. I've met people that have special gifts where you're like, dude, this person can fucking see the future. Mm-hmm. Like, as I say that, and you might be listening, the audience is like, that's bullshit. And I'm like, all right, well, all I know is they fucking have predicted the future like 3 times to me. And like, if it, like in ways that are not rational and abnormal. Like, when someone tells you, hey, this is what's going to happen, and it— that specific weird thing happens, right? And that same person's done it 5 times, right? I'm like, well, I don't know. My, my left brain goes, that's a pattern, right? And like, like, logically speaking, they said something before it happened multiple times in a row, they haven't got wrong. Yeah. So I'm like, maybe it's a gift. Yeah, maybe they're tapped into some information that I'm not tapped into. Um, and so anyway, long story short, she said that, that, that because, like, for whatever reason, people that have special, like, gifts and powers are, like, actually, like, attract trauma.

Yeah. You know, 100%.

I'm curious about that.

A thousand percent.

Why do you think that is, Derek?

Because when you, when you have the gift and you don't know how to ground it— and this is part of what I do in my Miracle Academy course— yeah, when you have a gift and you don't know how to ground it, you will attract trauma because you have to give yourself a test in order to, in order to pass it. Does that make sense?

So, Hans, say that one more time.

So you, you give yourself a test. All, everything that feels like resistance is just a test to pass.

Huh.

Okay. We create it from a space within. We create it from a connection with God. And whenever we create it, or divine, whatever you would call— whenever we create that connection, it's like, okay, are you worthy to stand in that truth? And if you're ready to stand in your truth, here's the test. Can you pass it?

So, so let me use an example. I'm not going to name names, but there's a person I know.

Yeah.

Who is super gifted person.

Yeah.

Right. But trouble follows this person everywhere they go. Yeah. I mean, like, like literally, it's like— and I've known this person for a long time, and I've seen it for a long time where It's like, dude, like they're always counted out, they're always attracting problems, trouble, but they're super gifted too. Like, you're saying that they're actually attracting these like challenges to see if they can use their talents to overcome?

Some of the talents and some of it is being in communion. So, like we just said, we got cut off from our inner child, our younger child, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you cut off from that, then your inner child or your younger child is getting whatever, however old you are now. So say when I was like 45, I had some crazy shit happen. My inner child now has a 45-year running start to run through the freaking door and get my attention. And because I haven't done anything in order to be in communion, what I call it, with him, he's over here just trying to get my attention, wanting to be loved in the ways that he wasn't when he was younger. So when he was 9 and all this stuff happened and nobody was there for him, nobody did anything, and then what I did, I built a life, taking all of that trauma and turning it into a gift, which I did, right? Outworked everybody, outthought everybody, outran everybody, outdid all these things, and it led me nowhere. It led me— it literally led me into another prison. So when I did that and I wasn't communing with him, all he's doing is like, look, I just wanted to be held. I just wanted to be loved. I just wanted somebody to listen to me. I didn't want to be pushed to the side every time, right? I didn't want all these crazy things that happened to me to happen to me. And then when I got home, my dad wasn't there, my mom was drinking. Like, I had all these other things happening, so I just wanted somebody to fucking love me. And who's that person that's gonna love him more than anybody else? It was me. Right. So once I started to get in communion with him, now all of a sudden he's not over here trying to sabotage my life energetically. Mm-hmm. Because his energy field is as palpable as mine is sitting in front of you. Yeah, of course.

Arguably stronger.

Probably stronger, right? Yeah. And so he's over here, imagine quantumly, you know, multiplying himself across and whispering in your ear, don't trust this guy. Or going over to my wife and saying like, hey, he's gonna fuck up again. And putting all of these different like spells, if you were to call it, everywhere in your life. And so the more that you're not connected with that, the more that that shows up in your life. And what he is doing, my little boy inside of me, is giving me a bunch of tests so that I can show him that he's safe.

Got it, got it, got it. So because you're out of alignment with your like true— I'm gonna use higher self, right? Right.

Which I think that's yourself.

Yeah. Like your higher self wants what's best for you, right? And or what's— well, I think it wants you to be true, right? Like that's the way I see it at least. And so I have a funny story, like corollary to this. I did a solo one last week I want to ask you about that you're talking to right now.

Yeah.

What you're saying is like, hey, if I'm disconnected, if you're disconnected with self, self will do its part to make you connect. 100%. Give you an opportunity to connect.

Yeah.

And generally speaking, people don't connect out of like comfort. No, they connect out of discomfort, right? Because they're like, you have this moment where like your life flashes before your eyes or something fucking gnarly happens and you like where God's like, hey, hey buddy, I'm over here. You want to pay attention? Yeah. Like you don't have to. I'll just make shit more painful for you. Right. And so do you think that's it? It's like, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to stop you from being like comfortably numb and I'm going to make you pay attention. And then that creates an opportunity for you to like overcome and then pay attention.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, it makes sense. Yeah. And that is, um, there's a book called Way of Initiation by Rudolf Steiner.

Okay.

Real, real thin read, really easy read, but it walks you through literally all the tests that you're going to go through as you start to become your highest self, as you start to get integrated with that deepness that lives inside of you.

That makes that— it's so— I've not— I've I never thought of it in this way, although there's a guy I interviewed on the show who wrote a book called Your Soul's Plan. Have you heard of this before? I haven't heard of it. It's like pre-birth planning. Basically, your soul plans out all your challenges beforehand. Anyway, we talked about some of the stuff, but obviously Rudolf Steiner's famous and that's a— What's the name of the book again?

It's called Way of Initiation. Okay. Yeah, it's a black and white book. It's like maybe 100 pages. Okay. All right.

Super good. I want to read that book. Yeah. So, I had this realization based on what you're saying right now. So, there's two books that I read and both kind of affected me viscerally in two different ways. So, one is Alchemist by Paulo Coelho, right? And there's a line in the book which is that the universe will conspire to make your dreams come true, right? Do you remember this?

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

All right. So, I read the book, Mariah gives me this book, it's her favorite book. And so she gives me the book, wait for it, this is 23 years ago. I'm on a, and I went to Europe for a month by myself before I started my first company. And I read the book and I remember reading that line and I was like, oh man, I can't wait for the universe to conspire to make my dreams come true.

Right, right, right.

And then for the next like 20 years, I'm like, this is bullshit. I was like, yeah, yeah. The world seems, the universe keeps conspiring to not make my dreams come true. Right. And then, this probably happened in the last 12 months where I had enough things happen that were out of alignment from what I wanted or what I thought I wanted. And my realization, I talked about this on last week's solo that came out on Friday, was I was like, look, there's what you say you want and what you really want. And your soul wants what you really want or what you say you want. And then, what you really want is what you do, right? And so for me, I figured out, I was like, oh, what I really, really wanted was money and power and like to be worthy and I wanted attention, right? And what I said I wanted to myself was I wanted a purpose-driven, you know, life and all this shit, right? But what I would always run to, like the priorities always aligned to like money, power, attention, authority, all that shit, right? And then inevitably it didn't align to like what my higher self really wanted, which was like to live a life of purpose and to create value, right? And so inevitably I'd end up in these situations where it's like I would go for the vanity stuff and then it would end up not working out. And mostly because I know it's because there's a misalignment between what I really wanted and what I said I wanted. And that all remained true. So I never felt these miracles of life until the last 12 months. The last 12 months I was like, "All right, man, I'm getting off the fucking struggle bus here. This is crazy that here I am again." again, right? And like, how am I— how am I— why am I learning this lesson again? I was talking to Robert— Robert Edward Grant about this. Yeah, yeah, you know, and, and, and it was like a couple months after this thing went down for me that, that like really pissed me off. And so I was like, all right, man, like I'm taking some time to like look at this, right? Because this, like, like I'm 47, I'll be 48 in a couple weeks. I'm like, dude, I'm on decade 5, okay? Like this can't keep happening, right? Like, something's got to give. And the— and so I got really— I did a lot of the stuff you're talking about, but I did parts work, right? I went deep on like child parts and like connection with self, that all this stuff that I'd been ignoring, and made and built relationship with these parts of me that were like shut— I'd shut down. I mean, shut down bare. Like, I, I got a fucking jackhammer and drilled 100 feet into the ground and buried these parts and was like, hey dude, we'll see you on the other side. Yeah.. And finally, like what you had said, I guess that had happened. It was like they kept coming up and making shit happen.

Oh yeah.

And so long story short, I did a lot of work. It was super painful. It was hard. And then I just started working on new stuff. But this time around it was a totally different intention. It was with the true intention of like, hey, I just want to create value and live a purpose.

Right.

And what I've seen now, this is recent because I just started really getting after it last 3 and a half months.

Yeah.

It's like, I'm going to use a word and I don't use it lightly. Yeah. Miracle after miracle.

I agree. I'm like, I could see that. Yeah.

How the hell is it that every time I get this, like, why is it that the perfect person is coming at the perfect time in the perfect way?

Yeah.

And then a week later it happens again.

Yeah.

And then a week later it happens again. Or I meet this thing or I have a dream and I remember something I shouldn't have remembered that helps me this other thing. And I'm like, this is crazy, man.

Yeah.

And it was the, and so what the punchline of the, for anyone, you can listen to the solo, but the punchline was, I was like, oh, So like Pablo Coelho was not wrong. The universe will conspire to make your dreams come true, but you have to, you actually have to be aligned with your higher self for that to happen.

100%.

I'd love to hear, this is my, I just came up with this learning just now. It's beautiful, bro. Like this just happened for me. And so I was like, oh shit, if you're out of alignment, it's not happening. You're shut off, right? What do you think when I say all these things?

So the thing, how would I put it? I use this thing with my son and let's I said, if, if this world is a simulation and you're the, you're the person that created the game and set yourself here, how can you adjust your life based on recognizing that it's nothing but code? It's nothing but a coded reality that you could do anything with. Right. Most of us live at an external affirmation or validation of everything outside of us. But everything we see is less than 1% of the visual spectrum of life. Literally less than 1%.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, what is it like 900 million? And there's like one, it's like 990 million, 10 million pieces of information you can see with light. It's a crazy number.

It's like crazy. So we see nothing. So the— and so that when you say people have these gifts and there's unseen and the woo-woo, the woo-woo is the majority of everything that's happening that we have no fucking idea of the way that it works. And all the— all that the universe that's conspiring, you, your higher self, the person that created the game, whatever you want to call it, we'd have no idea what it is. All it's doing is it's giving you tidbits of patterns for you to pay pay attention to. So it's giving you like coded realities, angel numbers, things that you could see, the same name showing up over and over again. Why is this happening like this? Why is this happening? Like, why is this bad thing happening like this over and over again? It's just evidence to show you where you are on your path. So everything that's happening outside of you is just a feedback loop. It's not reality. Interesting. It's a feedback loop of where you are internally. So if I'm internally, to your point, present, aware, where, you know, where Yeshua Jesus says the kingdom of heaven is within you. If everything inside of you is truly that still and you have that knowing and you could stand in that every single day, it forecasts out the feedback that you get is perfection. You literally are walking in heaven. If you don't and you're looking at, ah, I got— this person cut me off, you know, my wife didn't like my pants today, I got this, or she got mad at me, or whatever it might be, and you're looking at that and you're not looking at it as a test to overcome so that you could find the calmness and the stillness inside of you, you're looking at it as like, oh shit, there's another bad thing that happened, and now you're trying to go fix that bad thing. You've lost yourself.

Do you think that when that happens, that there's like a certain— like, like, again, if we're just all energy, right, which is like something that I've gotten pretty clear on, like, right, I'm like, dude, we're all the same, you know? This is all just energy that's slowed down enough for me to put these pants on. Exactly, right? For all this energy, and we're resonating, right? And this is all just like a resonative, like behavior. And I can't remember the name of the spectrum of resonance.

What, the Hocking scale?

Yeah, Hocking scale, right?

Yeah.

So, you look at the highest level of resonance is love and you probably know about enlightenment.

Enlightenment.

Enlightenment, right? And then, the lowest is these fear-based, shame, these worst human behaviors, right? Right. So, is it that when I'm resonating in this low-level vibration that I attract more of of that and I am just become that. I guess you are what your thoughts are, you are what you're thinking, you are what you're attracting. And then if I'm resonating at the highest level, A, I have to be open to it or else it can't even happen, right? B, once I'm doing it, then it is happening. And then it becomes kind of like self-perpetuating that you get more of what you are?

Kind of. So it's, yeah, it's everything on that scale is love seeking the next level.

Okay.

So it's like, if I'm shame, I'm just love seeking the next level and I keep moving up. And so it's just an opportunity for me to have an awareness that that's where I'm at. One of the things my coach tells me is like, you know, whenever I have sadness or shame or anger or guilt or grief or any of that, just sit with it. It lives somewhere in my body somatically. And it's supposed— I'm supposed to go into the deepest part of that space, find that stillness. And then when I find it, I wrap myself around it and then it just permeates needs love. Yeah, yeah, right. And it's not even— I can't cerebrally change the shame from showing up. Yeah, right. You can't think your way out of it.

No, no, it's all feel.

You have to feel your way through it. And once you feel your way through it, it actually settles, and then the body says, okay, you got it now.

It's acceptance.

It's acceptance.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The higher self feels safe to fully embody the vessel that you are, and then you start to magnetize that.

Yeah.

Exponentially. Like, that's the process. Yeah. Right. This is what—

that's what I just did this.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Like, literally, you're just— you're using different words, but like, that's like you're describing like the process that you did. Yeah, I did. I used some other cool stuff too, like, like spirit animals, but I love it.

It's all, it's all perfection.

Yeah.

I mean, every great prophet, every great prophet that you've ever seen has gone through that process.

What's funny is a lot of like, like, I love your thoughts on this. I was, you know, I'm in a bunch of like men's groups and CEO groups and I'm telling them like, dude, like, do you have a therapist? I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, dude, I'm like, I'm kind of my own. I'm like, yeah, I've had lots of therapists in my life. I'm like, but I'm getting way more results out of me just doing this work myself. How do you, what are your thoughts on that?

I think sometimes you need somebody to give you a perspective that you can't see, right? So I mean, I was doing, you know, like I, again, I got on Instagram, started teaching all the spirituality stuff. Yeah, yeah. To a couple 400,000 people. Got out there, started like really like hammering this into the world. And, uh, I realized that I was ungrounded. It was all coming from here and not here. Oh, I couldn't see that. I was like, oh, I'm righteous. I got it together. I know what I'm doing. I know what I'm talking about. But it was so unembodied that it sounded really good when I said it, but it wasn't through and through all the way from my head to my toes.

So when you were doing that, do you think you like, and look, I think the reality is like 90 plus percent of the world is, is not super like in touch with themselves and grounded. Yeah, that's— I think I agree. Yeah, that's a real number. I think it's 90% plus.

I think it's probably 99% of the world in tune. We— I'll say this, if you are paying attention to anything outside of you, then this goes for— I mean, I'm not fully into it, right? Because I get caught. Like, I had a thing with a client this morning and I'm like, oh, I gotta deal with that. And I'm like, if I just still down, felt it, slowed down, I guarantee it would have just changed energetically instead of me trying to change it, right? Right. But I do do that still, right? So there's still— I'm still fallible in that regard, right? But my goal is, is over time I do it less and less. I become so centered that I can just forecast out that reality. I know where to go. It's the thing about doing, it's the hard part. So, you know, there's, there's pattern recognition, you know, pattern utilization, and pattern creation. If I can recognize the pattern, that's like 80% of the story. Most people can't even recognize the patterns. Then can you actually use those patterns in daily life. Then can you turn back around, can you create with those patterns and like change the change of reality that you're in?

So talk about that a little bit, because I, I think that, you know, what, like, with, with awareness comes choice, right? To your point, it is interesting as you start to like gain an awareness of some of this, like, really these little micro tells, you know, your feelings, or like the, the, like the inch before you react.

Yeah, right.

And I think like all those are like, I swear to God, for me, that's like, dude, you're doing squats now, you know, like, like someone's never done squats.

Yeah.

Now, now like you're like loading plates. I'm like, the minute you have that, it feels like a superpower. Cause you're like, and then sometimes you're like, fuck it. I'm just gonna do something shitty that I know, but I have full awareness.

Exactly.

Like I'm fully reacting right now. Right. In full awareness of my, and then there's a bit of like, I laugh at it when I do it. I'm like, I'm like, dude, you were fully embracing your trigger right now. That's really funny, man.

Yeah.

Yeah. Like, okay, you go dude.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then you like can choose your way into it or you could slow it down. Then you, then you're actually in control of the gas.

There's a little bit of Matrix see stuff there.

Yeah, it is 100%.

But, but the last part you said was interesting, which is I can have an awareness and then learn to embody and like not react, right? But it made it sound like almost like I can create a different reality even just by— I, I didn't fully understand that.

Like, yeah, you can create a totally different— so most of us, most of us live in a construct that is somebody else's reality. You work for somebody else, right? You drive somebody else's stuff. You, you know, like, you, like, 99.9% of us do. And then There's some of us that actually create from these patterns. That's less than, I'd have to say, less than 1.1% of the population actually creates from it. And there are people that have created—

So when you say create from it, what, like, give me an example.

It's, uh, so let's, let's, I'm going to go a little secret society on you right now. So like take, take Rosicrucians, um, Masons, Illuminati vibes, things like that. Look at the, we're going to go a little bit deep into this. Look at, you know, um, the Trilateral Commission.

I don't know this. I know the other stuff you said.

I don't know what the— Okay. So like there's a, there's a group called the Trilateral Commission. They have these like meetings every year and it's the majority of heads of state, other countries, people with a lot of power that oversee like the BIS banking system. Okay. And they make generally the calls inside of Davos and everything else that happens in the world. Okay. Okay. This has been happening for 100 years or so right now.

Okay.

Embedded itself from the time of like Rockefellers, Rothschilds, things along those lines. They've been playing this really, really long game of seeing the patterns, how they keep shifting themselves over and over again. Okay. And like Ray Dalio stuff, like all this stuff. So they see all these patterns, they see how to play around with it, and they sit over the top of it and they have created from, because money isn't money, right? It's just this energetic vortex that's moving and they can sit over the top of this energetic vortex as they see all the patterns and then they know how to implant those in different areas of people's lives. Okay. So as an example, like, you know, some— like, you take the Instagram algorithm, for instance. Like, there's times you think something and literally this shit shows up on the screen, right? Sure. Wild when it happens. That's not an accident. It's somebody— it's not even Zuckerberg, okay? It's somebody that's over the top that said, like, hey, here's some code, here's some things. We want you to put this out into the world. We're going to make you infinitely rich. Just follow our plan and do the thing. And you're going to run into some troubles. You're going to do some things over time. But you're going to put this into the world and that's going to allow us as humanity to go through the same thing that they did in CIA. I'm getting weird now. I'm going to tell you right now. CIA, MKUltra times when they put everybody on LSD, dosed everybody, showed that, okay, like if I can put you on a repetitive cycle over and over again, I literally have you entrained. You're paying more attention to the outside world than the inside world. Now, at which point, because you can't ever see the pattern because you're too stuck into the pattern, now you're never able to create from it, right?

But do you feel like, like there's an awakening that's happening right now?

There is all this stuff. There is. And that's, that's, and so it's part of us is like, this is a test. Like Epstein files were a test. Are we going to be so desensitized that we're just going to continue to allow the people that were in those files to continue to run the world? Still happening. Yeah.

Yeah. Right.

It hasn't like, no change. Like still happening. So it's like, oh, fascinating. Now what's going to happen? Watch, they're going to do something else. It's going to be even more egregious than that. And see like if they can push you to this next level. And so it's going to see what the capacity of where humanity really is, and it's happening faster because of the information age where AI is going and whatnot, right? There's going to be AI that's going to lie and hallucinate to you, and then people are going to get trapped into this. There's going to be AI that's going to tell you the truth, right? And then all along, at some point, it's going to come quantum computing that is going to figure the whole thing out and basically like wreck everything to the point to where now it's course correcting and no longer leading people astray. And that's when that's going to be this like crazy God force thing. But each and every one of us has inside of us the ability to create infinitely. Right. And we were made in the image of God. You know, Isaiah, Isaiah, I forget, 82, whatever. It's like, ye are gods. Like literally, we are literally made here in order to create reality. And when we, to your point before, we live in shame cycles, we create a bunch of shame. When we live in anger cycles, we create a bunch of anger. And we're in somebody else's pattern that showed us how to stay in that repetitive cycle. Therefore, we never get get out of it. If I say, hey, I'm gonna, you know, like manifestation tactics, have gratitude all the time. If I have gratitude for everything that's ever happened in my life, all of a sudden grateful things come to me, right? And it's just, that's how you recognize the pattern. You say, hey, I'm not going to be a victim of it anymore. I'm going to actually use it in my life every single day. Now I'm going to actually create differently from it. And the thing is, is that because this is the Jesus walking on water thing, I use a lot of religion. I perceivably think that Jesus didn't walk water. I think that he took a step that nobody believed he could take, and that was the walking on water.

As far as like a— so which is tons of metaphors.

He said he spoke in parables. Literally, he said he spoke in parables.

Yeah, yeah. So it's like— but then everyone was like, but we want to wait, take half of it as parable, half we'll make it literal.

Yeah. So it's like, okay, you know, even the, even the word virgin, you know, virgin in the Bible just means young woman, like in Aramaic. It doesn't mean virgin, it means young woman. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So all of these things, if you go back to the Aramaic translations of it, meant something totally different. And Jesus literally walking on water was him taking a step nobody could believe he could take. That is the future. Like, so when we step into our reality with confidence, we are walking on water every single day. Right. And that's how you create a new life. That's how you create a thing that this guy died on a cross for. And 2,000 years later, his messages are still killing it.

Do you, so, so if I'm hearing what you're saying, is it, it's a getting aligned with your true self.

Yes.

Creating an awareness for where you're at.

Yeah.

Right. How you're feeling, what's, what's connecting for for you, and then creating with that alignment in place. Exactly.

And that is, that is creating from self, not from outside force, not from outside forces. And yeah, and just be super true to yourself. Don't lie to yourself, you know. So the thing is, is like, if you're not there, you're not there. And it's recognizing that I got somewhere to go, but here's the path that I'm going to take to get there, right? It's not being like, you know, some people wake up— like, I had a buddy of mine when I was living in LA, he was like, it's the best day ever. And this guy's life was falling apart, and he would just kept saying it over over again. He was lying to himself. That's what they call biblically vain repetition. You just say things over and over again, but you're not actually believing it. You're not embodying it. You know, so when you align your thoughts, you know, your thoughts, your words, and your spirit all at once, you truly are spiritual and you're truly integrated.

I was talking to a woman last week and she was like aligning mind, heart, and gut.

Yeah. You know, yeah.

She was saying that, like, which I was, I'm so, I'm like kind of a literal person. I was like, oh, I could see that. And you know, yeah. And when you start looking at the science of that, by the way, it's fascinating interesting to see that the decision-making cells are in all three, right? Which like you always, everyone thinks like it's their brain. It's like, no man, like your heart has decision-making cells. Like there's neural pathways connecting all these things. So it's really the more you learn about it, the more you're like, dude, nobody knows shit. Yeah. Yeah. Like who pretends like they know? I'm like, yeah. Like when I, when we, my son and I were listening to the telepathy tapes.

I love those.

Yeah. Yeah. And we just go, anyone go, go, go go watch that or listen to that podcast, and then you're like, nobody knows anything. No, nothing. Like, quit pretending. Like, we know a small amount of what's really here. I love— but your point, it's like 99% of the— 99.9% of what is here you don't see.

You don't see it.

So like, for people to pretend like you have to see it to believe it, I'm like, come on.

Yeah, like, I don't. Not at all. Not at all. You have to think it, feel it, embody it, and then you create it. Yeah, yeah. Doctor— there's a guy named Dr. Robert Wheeler. He did a study in 2007 where he proved that the future state, if you could forecast out something into the future and it will change the past.

Yeah, yeah. Literally. Because time is not linear.

Yeah, it's a freaking science experiment. Right. You know, and that things are happening faster than the speed of light. So even that was broken. And even they've even recently broken the law of thermodynamics. All of this stuff is like showing that this reality is not what we think it is.

Yeah. Man, I love, dude, Mike, I don't even know where to go from here. Let's do this. I want, I feel like I've gotten my fill. All right, amazing.

Love it.

Um, so first of all, like, I know you're doing a ton of cool stuff. Where can people— where can people learn more? I know you have an amazing, like, feed on, on a lot of the, the social networks. Like, social— dude, I just totally dated myself.

You did.

That's awesome. Do you like that? You like the Facebook? Hey, listen, I was on Friendster, okay? Yeah, like, I'm going old school. Yeah, yeah. Now on the, on the social networks. Yeah. Um, yeah, where Where can people learn more about all things, you know, Sean Clayton?

Yeah. So I mean, uh, Instagram, Abundance 10,000, YouTube, same Abundance 10,000. That's 1-0-0-0-0. Um, themiracleacademy.com is if you want to learn kind of about this stuff we just got into right now before we go. Uh, we have a community, some courses, some meditations, Sean AI, things like that that kind of help you on your journey. Uh, if you're in the marketing space or you need help with your marketing, you want to grow a brand, myasin.io. We've got some cool ass products that literally literally, like, you can launch an ad campaign that's built off of, like, the best practices of everything Meta for $1,000 a month, right? And just turn it on and go. And it does it agentically, and it watches it, and it talks back to you and tells you what things are changing. So, like, we've literally built media buying agents that just do the job. That's amazing. Um, so yeah, I mean, those are, those are the different spaces. Um, if you're in regenerative health, telios.health, like, that's, uh, that's a thing. So if you want peptide shots, GLP-1s, whatever, you know, we've got the live there. But that's it, man. I'm here in Austin. We're gonna have some events and do some cool stuff here at the Rabbit Hole Media Labs. Yeah, uh, just beautiful, dude.

Yeah, that's amazing. Well, we'll make sure we'll put all this stuff into show notes. And, um, with that said, you ready for greatness question?

I'm ready for greatness question.

All right, Sean, what is the number one barrier to creating greatness that you overcome in your life, and how did you overcome it?

Being in communion with every part of me. Okay. You know, what they, what they say, you know, what they say biblically is like, you take communion every week and that's a remembrance. Most of us don't remember who we are. And most of us have been told by somebody else that we are something else that we aren't. When I started to go on this journey of recognizing, I think my greatness has always been there. I just have embodied it over the last probably 18 months. Right. And now that it's truly showing up, it's because was there was a 9-year-old, 13-year-old, a 5-year-old, you know, all these different versions of me that I needed to get close to, right? I was seeking and chasing the affirmation of my mother, right, through the experiences of my wife, which, like, who wants to be involved in that? Like, that's a relationship. Um, once that happened, she felt safe, you know. And every— and if you're a man, every woman in your life is literally a magician, and they have the ability to receive create wild abundance and all you have to do is show them safety. And when I started to fall in love with myself and be truly embodied the way she showed up, the way the world started shifting, um, everything became really magical and it was no longer me efforting through life. It was me actually becoming greatness in the stillness of myself.

Yeah.

Love it, man.

Yeah. Appreciate you, brother.

That was beautiful. Thank you.

Thank you, dude. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, my friend. It's been like like, like, you got a beautiful setup here, super fun. I knew we'd go into some interesting conversations, and a lot of gratitude for me.

Absolutely, absolutely. A lot of love, brother. Thank you, man.

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