The Science of Abundance - Sean Clayton

Then all this energy flows down my spine, and I'm like, okay, this is crazy. And I used to have, like, no feeling. I couldn't pick this up with my hands, right? I had no feeling in my hands because I. What I had done to my nerves. Hands caught on fire. All of a sudden, like, I just started crying and I hit the ground and I was tearing up, and I'm like this. I don't know what's happening. And my body was on fire, and I felt this energy surge through me and these tingles down my spine. And then I got up and I could walk differently. I could feel differently. It was like this whole energy took over my body.

Welcome to the Awakened magazine podcast, where we feature inspiring leaders who are helping our world awaken to love. I'm your host, David Trotter, and today I want to share with you a fascinating conversation with Sean Clayton. He's a life and business strategist, a spiritual coach, and an abundance alchemist who shares his wisdom in the most incredible videos on Instagram @Abundance10000. Now, in this conversation, he shares how he overcame childhood trauma, divorce, depression, and a prison sentence in order to find healing and purpose in his life. He also introduces us to the science of abundance and how that has helped him heal and create abundance in his own life and in the lives of his clients. Now, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe to the Awakened magazine podcast on Spotify, Amazon Music, Apple Podcast, or YouTube. Leave a rating or a review. That's a way that you can help us spread the word about the show to other people. And one of the best ways is just by introducing them to the podcast. Say, hey, check out this interview with this guy Sean. It's incredible. Yeah, they'll thank you. Hey, let's jump into my conversation with Sean Clayton. Sean, thanks for taking some time to connect with us today. It's great to see you.

Yeah, David, great to be here. Thank you for the invite. Yeah.

Yeah. Today we're going to be talking a lot about abundance, and in our current US Economy, a lot of people are feeling the lack of abundance in their life. And a lot of things with shifting going on, you know, I guess, man, the last few years, it feels like it's negatively impacting quite a few people.

Yeah.

What encouragement. As one who is focused on the science of abundance, what encouragement would you give us today in the midst of our current economy?

Yeah, so. Well, one, I look at abundance through two different lenses. You know, there's the abundance that we've been taught and there's the abundance that we know. And those are two totally different things. Right? The abundance that we've been taught is this financial structure based on this thing that we made a really. We made a decision at some point that we need to pay to live on this planet for whatever reason. And that's great because it creates a aspect of giving and receiving that when put in balance, really beautiful things start to happen. What has happened over, I would say the last 2,000 years. Okay, if not longer, is that things have very much so escalated through a patriarchal system and construct. Okay? The patriarchal system has been out of balance. It hasn't been an embodied masculine version of it. It's been a very much so taking. It's been built out of fear. And when you look at the current condition of, you know, if I took the Gen Z population right now, 42% of them have mental health issues. If I take, you know, millennials, I think they're sitting at around 37% have some mental health issues. When you have what we would consider as a mental health issue, I'm going to put this in quotes. Most individuals when they're in those states don't have a sense of worthiness. If I don't have a sense of worthiness, I'm constantly looking at the outside world to affirm me. If I'm looking at the outside world to affirm me and it's constantly out of balance and I don't know the space of within, then how could I ever achieve abundance? Because I'm not building it from the inside out. I'm using the outside world to affirm this within myself. So with that being said, the fact that we have allowed the tail to wag the dog of ourselves, we have allowed the illusion of the world, which is less than 1% of all visual spectrum of light, in order to dictate the world that we live in puts us in a space to where no wonder that we have this sense of a lack of financial abundance as well as self abundance. And so how do we course correct that? How do we fix that? The deepest place that we can go. And this is one of the things, you know, when Nikola Tesla said 369 are the keys of the universe. There is a very specific structure when you think about dimensionality. And I have something that I teach in my classes where each individual has three dimensions of self, okay? They have a dimension of initiation, how do I start myself, a dimension of integration, how do I integrate myself? And a dimension of depth, how do I know myself? Right. If I'm not doing those on an ongoing basis, I don't fully love myself. And that's the concept of three. And once you have that three in place, it allows you to expand yourself into the six dimensional framework, which was the six. And the six dimensional framework is where you are walking in. The purpose of your plan that was created for you by the one mind, by the divine. Okay? That knowing of self allows you to transcend time, it allows you to transcend spiritual, and it puts you into a space where that spirit and that time start to work for you. What I mean by that is that the time spaces, when you become fully present, you start pulling the past and the future together. I say you remember your past, you remember your future, and everything becomes now you're no longer looking to figure out what's coming. By using evidentiary proof in the past and what people are telling you, you're actually creating it from a space of within and not in a bypassing place. It's just you have this knowing because you know yourself. So the imprint that you place on humanity is from within. Then you get into the whole concept of spirit. Well, you know that we always say there's this polarity of spirit, there's good and bad, there's God and the devil. There's all of this crazy stuff that's out there. And the first seven, you know, days of creation and every almost book of every book of religion, right? God said created whatever. It was good, it was good, it was good, it was good. I never said it was bad. God never said or judged any of its works. It just said and it was, and it was good. So we all of a sudden say, okay, well the thing that happened in this country is bad, or the thing that happened to me. You know, I use myself as an example when I was 9 to 14 years old, went through a very aggressive state of sexual abuse from a family member. I can look at that and say, that was really, really bad. I can judge what was created for me and by me. Which sounds kind of weird to say it when you think about it. Okay, for me and by me to love myself more right now. And once I have that recognition of it, then I can actually see it all as good. But that good isn't saying, hey, go do more of that. That good is healing. The off energetic construct that allows me to let go of that past from a healing perspective, stand in a state of full love. And now I'm walking in the sixth dimension of my purpose, because I have a very clear channel of what the one mind is giving me into my heart. Then you escalate to the ninth dimension, right? Because there's only nine numbers in the universe, one through nine, okay? No matter what you do with it, the zero is a placeholder, but everything is one through nine over and over and over again. Just combine numbers and that one through nine, when you go to like 10, you do one plus zero, you get to digital root back to one, so you're back in the first dimension again. So once you get to nine, you go to one again. It keeps going over and over again. And what I say by that is that when you go from seven and eight dimensional frameworks and you get to the point of nine, nine is the plan of God for the all. But the seven is why they say keep the Sabbath holy. Is when you get to that seventh state, that is the bridge from Idoli. And we have all these clues around us. Seven chakras, seven colors of the rainbow, seven body systems, seven continents, seven days of creation, seven hermetic principles. It's like sevens all over the place. Okay, so we have this code and this key that's been left for us and we just like, oh, it's just seven, I don't know what it means. And, and so that's the bridge from Iowa. And then once you get to the eighth dimension, that's we. It's why it's the whole infinity side. And being able to see myself through your eyes, my eyes, the eyes of everybody else. And then we have so much empathy that allows us to move into a state of victory. And victory is where everybody wins. And we set a beautiful foundation of sovereignty for ourselves. So when you can start to understand that code that was left for us and that when we get into a state of non judgment, non righteousness, so we can constantly move into an aspect of love and we can understand the depth of ourselves truly like we are, we become full three dimensional beings. Most of us are like, hey, I'm gonna go to the bliss money thing, I'm gonna be a fifth dimensional person and we go chase the thing. But we don't even know how to love ourselves. I have no idea like what's going on inside of me. Then how can I go actually integrate anything in my life elsewhere? And then when I do become fifth dimensional, I now judge everything that was my life and therefore I said it was bad and I don't want to be that. But I haven't integrated that learning. And so for us to really start to move, to answer the question that Was a long way around the block. For us to move into full abundance, we have to understand these keys, these codes, this 369, this mouth of God that was created for us. And once we understand that, all the world comes to us. All the world shows up in a beautiful reflection of ourselves. Because the world always shows up in a beautiful reflection of yourself. Sometimes you just don't love yourself, so therefore the world doesn't love you back.

Thank you so much for sharing that. I think I could tease apart so many of those truths that you were sharing for quite some time. We'll get to those, I think, along the way of our conversation. But I do want to dive into your own story of awakening to consciousness, mindfulness, spirituality. And where did you grow up? What was home life like? Did you have some sort of faith or spirituality, a part of that upbringing?

Yeah, for sure. So when I grew up, I grew up in Dallas, Texas. Very, very, very faith centered family. My father, my grandfather's name was on the church. Grew up African Methodist, Episcopalian. You know, I think they could throw more acronyms on this thing. And, you know, the white gloves in the church, the dancing, the whole deal.

Love it. Did you have just mimes? Did you have mimes?

That's the question. That's what they. No, we didn't have. They should have had mimes, but no mimes.

Okay.

I've seen the mimes, though, as I got older. But yeah, it was, it was, it was interesting. And I always felt like there was something off, like something never set in my stomach when I go to church. But I would go and, you know, you, you would get the, the, the mints out of your grandmother's purse and was always these smells and these things. And I have a very vivid recollection of that time. And about eight years old, I started to, like, write these hieroglyph things like. And I was so fascinated with Egypt. And we had a bunch of people die in my family that year. And in that window of time, we would go to these funerals. My grandmother was, you know, would take me to all of them because it was in the summertime. And she, I asked her where people go and they died. And she goes, oh, they go to this place called Purgatory between heaven and hell until the judgment day comes. And then something happens. And I said, how is there time when we die if we create a time? And she's like, what do you mean? I was like, well, when you die, there can't be a clock, so how is there a place of Waiting. If there's no clock, and what does that clock mean? And how long does it last? And I just kept asking these questions. She's like, I don't know what you're talking about. This is crazy. I was like, no, when you die, time doesn't exist. Like, you just have to be there. So we're all together. So therefore, I'm with the people that have already died, and they're already with me. And so, like, we're all one, like, already. And she thought that was not okay.

Have another. Have another mint.

So. So, you know, one of the interesting situations in growing up with her is that, you know, three days after I was born, her. My aunt. Her daughter passed away. And so I was. I don't. I don't. I had this feeling that I was looked at as something that was, like, wrong, because it was like, I come in, this person goes out, and she lived with a lot of sadness. And you feel that growing up. And so, of course, probably me talking this crazy stuff. For the next several summers, I got sent to my grandmother's house in California, and one of my family members there had lost his father to suicide in front of his family. And he was a little bit older. And I would go up there and he would take out his frustration on me sexually, you know, because he was blooming in himself, you know, in his puberty and that. Not. I was only nine years old, and so these things sort of happened to me from being very much so attacked for the next several years that all of a sudden you have this, like. You felt like I had this awakening of, like, oh, this is some interesting information to. Now I'm very reclusive, you know, and if you think about the law of rhythm and the way the universe works, it's like, like, you know, you're going to have these waves. Being able to look back on them and love them all. That's the gift. So as I get older in life that happens, I go a little bit further down the path. I'm constantly looking for the world to affirm me. Get good athlete athletics, get good at school. You know, I'm just like, somebody tell me I'm doing a good job, because I don't know what I am anymore. Get out into the workplace, outwork everybody. You know, all of a sudden I'm like, you know, making good money, using that money to attract individuals in my life. Constantly bleeding cash because I'm working to please the entire world outside of me. Got into medical staffing, was super depressed all the time, Tried to take my life four times in my 20s, you know, from literally, you know, slitting my wrist to putting a gun to my head, trying to pull the trigger four times. And I should have been, I should have been gone taking a full bottle of pills to hanging myself. And none of it works. Really bad at that, apparently, but for good reason, right? And, and then, you know, it's funny how you save yourself, you know, like there's an intervention, you know, and they always say, you know, you know, God only intervenes when it's absolutely necessary. The spirit will intervene when it's necessary. And there were times of intervention that I could look back on and be like, okay, there's that, there's that. And it's part of the divine plan of your flow so that you can stand in your purpose one day. And then I started my own company with my godfather. He embezzled a bunch of money, disappeared. I ended up taking the hit for it and went to prison for 40. I had a 46 month sentence. So I spent about three years in there between 29, 30 to 33 years old.

For financial, for financial reasons.

Yeah, it was a financial crime that was committed and. And then I was in there. Right. And that was a whole experience in itself. Right. You. It was during the, you know, like the Lehman Brothers and housing crisis and all that, and lost everything. Family. Son had just been born. He was one years old when I went in. Now he's 16 and got out and, and in there I'll explain that. It's almost like seeing the world. I have to imagine it's like seeing the world through the way God sees the world. You're watching it, moving on. You can do nothing about it or choose. I mean, sure, God could do something about. You do nothing about it. You just watch people just go through their stuff. And you have to accept everything and you have to love where you are so much that it becomes a gift for you. And so prison became a gift for me. It became my new way of living, my new way of life. And yeah, I was actually felt more free in there than I had been for the next five to 10 years afterward. Called freedom. Because when I got into the world, it was like, you know, I'm fighting again with feeling worthy. You go out, you have no clothes, you have no money. You walk into the world, everybody has stuff. And you're like, well, I need stuff, right? Everybody has a car, I need a car, right? Everybody has a job. And then, you know, you go to the halfway house and you're on A bus line, and you have to work in a place off the bus line. And those jobs only are so many things. And you go from being this person as an executive to being like, all right, I got to go work at a McDonald's or I got to work here, whatever. It was really interesting when you think about the economic system around how they place transportation and the jobs that you can get off of that transportation associated with, you know, your ability to be successful in life. Right. It's wild to watch it. And so I ended up, before I went in to prison, I got. I had to. My pre trial was halfway house. Sorry about that noise. My pre trial was in a halfway house, and I had got to work, and I got to sell cars in this halfway house. So while I was there, I was watching the person selling the most cars. They were doing Internet marketing. And I'm like, oh, I can maybe learn how to do that. I started buying my own ads and then outperforming, literally the entire dealership by myself, running ads to myself. Got out, did the same thing again. While I was in prison, I learned all about digital marketing at a really deep level and then did it again. And. And all of a sudden, I was doing, like, crazy money. I was like, okay, this is wild. And that set my trajectory for where I am now, which I guess I was always had the trajectory set. It just. You could see it very clearly. Started my own marketing agency that led me to New York, which I ended up meeting my now wife. Her name's Sophia. She was like, when I got there, I'm just kind of a mess. You know, I'm flying back and forth, Dallas, visiting my son all the time. And. And she's like, you just need to calm down and meditate. Like, sit still. What are you talking about? Like, I thrive under stress. I need to be stressful. I need to have this stuff. And she's like, just meditate, like. And I was like, fine, I'll try it. So I sat in stillness, and I didn't get it. I'm like, I need to go do something. So I got up and started doing stuff. And then one day, one of her exes who ended up passing away from als, he sent her a video by sadhguru. And I watched it with her, and I'm like, this is interesting, the way he's talking about things. It's just like a whole other perspective. And it was on a Tom Bilyeu show. And then I started, like, taking in all this because I'm like, a rapid consumer of information. So I started speaking like Sadhguru and saying the things and would go back home to my family and they're like, you are nuts. And I was like, none of it really landed. It wasn't my language. It was his language. Then I just started watching all these Tom Bilyeu videos of like Jesse Itzler, you know. Then I ended up on Joe Dispenza and I avoided the Joe Dispenza one like the plague for the longest time because I was like, it looks a little funny. You know, this is back for his hair was doing different stuff. And I was like, I'm just gonna leave that alone. And if it's. Your thoughts can make you sick, your thoughts can make you well. And I had a thyroid condition. And I'm like, I'm just taking medicine. I'm fine. And so watched the video and it blew my mind. And then I started to, you know, went on Gaia, watched his rewired thing, went and a little further, took his class, ended up in Marco island in the middle of COVID and took the. On the live thing, right. The seven day workshop. And that's where I had like this massive breakthrough. Huge. And I was. When I was there, I was down to my. This is a crazy part of the story. I was down to my last $2,500. You know, I was running a marketing agency and it wasn't doing great in Covid because people were like, we're not buying this. We're saving our com. We're saving our money. Right? And yeah, I. My first day in that retreat, you know, I'm watching all these people having Kundalini awakenings and popping off. I don't know if you've ever been to one of the retreats, but I have not.

No.

Yeah, yeah. It's like a fit session and 2, 000 people in there. And this is. Ah. And I'm like, what? This is meditation. So I kind of get it. I ended up learning to fall in love with it. But the first time, like, okay, I can't. I can't focus. I can't believe I'm spending all my money on this. I can't believe. Yeah, I don't know. I know I came here on a whim. I don't get it. But I need to go back and work. Like I'm just gonna go back and work and grind and somebody gives one more day. And they had a walking meditation that day. And I'm walking down the beach and I had never really dealt with my trauma issues. I never forgave my father for this stuff, or my godfather for the stuff he did, or, you know, myself or my family member who abused me or any of these people. And so I'm walking down the beach and they teach you to like, trance out this meditation with your eyes open. And I see these shapes start to form. I'm like, oh, this is cool. And then this thing comes and taps me on the head. And I thought a bird pooped on my head, but then all this energy flows down my spine and I'm like, okay, this is crazy. And I used to have like no feeling. I couldn't pick this up with my hands, right? I had no feeling in my hands because I. What I had done to my nerves. Hands caught on fire. My L1 and L2 were fractured from triple jumping in college. All of a sudden, like, I just started crying and I hit the ground and I was tearing up and I'm like this. I don't know what's happening. And my body was on fire and I felt this energy surge through me and these tingles down my spine. And then I got up and I could walk differently, I could feel differently. It was like this whole energy took over my body and I was like, okay, I'm really hooked to this thing because I never felt this before. I never felt so free. But I didn't understand really what it was. It was like the, you know, if I were to take light and dark, it was like all of a sudden this blast of light came through, but I didn't know how to integrate it. So the next day, what happened is this beautiful miracle. I got a phone call from one of the clients I was doing business with, I was consulting for. And it was at the end of the year. And they said, hey, we got some extra money on our books. We're going to send it to you to retain you for next year. And it was a seven figure sum of money. And I was like, this is crazy. And I showed it to Sophia and she's like, yeah, that's crazy. And then this kept happening over and over again. I didn't realize like what really and why it was I had let go of. You know, I was using analogy of like a cup if it's full of glass. I had my cup full of glass. I mean, full of ice. And it can only hold so much abundance. And anytime, any go over, it would just pour out because I was never allowing the ice to melt. I allowed that ice to melt. And all of a sudden it was like, oh, you get this much more immediately. And it was just there. And no matter how much I'd pour it out or I'd give it away or I'd lose it, or I'd make a stupid investment or I'd do something with it, or I'd get scammed out of it, it always fell right back up. And I was like, okay, well this is crazy that this is how abundance works. And I thought it was a party trick that I could do by going to Dr. Joe meditation. So I got hooked. I went to nine of them. I became a little bit of a spiritual asshole and a vampire to people. Okay. I was like, tried to build my own little mini cult. Not intentionally, I just would go out and people were like, oh, you really know what you're talking about. And I can. I have access to you and you say the things Joe says. And so we would all go on our little meanderings in la and I lived out there for a little bit and, and then I recognized that like this isn't the way I was. I wasn't me, I was him and I was following Joe's path. And Joe's path is beautiful. He is a magical, magical human being. But it wasn't. It, it was, I was just regurgitating his thing and there was no innovation in that. And I was constantly hooked to him. And so about three years ago, I was on a whole plant medicine kick. Did everything iboga five meo, ayahuasca mushroom, you know, ketamine. This is the whole thing. And after an iboga journey, which is the last thing that I had done from like a ceremonial plant medicine, I haven't done, done like one since, just like being a community. But I did that journey and it showed me all my trauma and it showed me, okay, you haven't even dealt with this. You're doing all this, but you haven't dealt with this. And then I recognized like every time I'd leave Joe's thing, I would have these like blast off moments and things would come to me the way I least expected them, but I didn't know how to like continue that on and I had to stay there. Once I started to recognize, well, I have these trauma patterns, I didn't know how to deal with them. And those trauma patterns were showing up and me being somewhat disintegrate in my life with people, then I was like, okay, I got to do something about it. Went to Hoffman Process, understood, okay, there's like a non medicinal way to start solving your problems. And then I learned all of the Negative self love patterns that I had. And then I was like, okay, I got to start talking about this. And I wasn't on social media, you know, at that point. I was, I was in the class with people and this one guy that had a really big following, he's like, hey, you're really good at talking about it. You should just go and start social. I was like, I've got no followers, I have no social media. He's like, just start talking about it and see what happens. Like, all right. So I just started talking about it and that's fast ramped into me creating these very specific structures that integrate everything from hermetic principles to this whole dimensional framework that I kind of map from like Einstein, Matthias to Stefano, a few other individuals, Manly P. Hall, Carl Jung. Digging into Rudolf Steiner's work and got into that, the office and Anthroposophy and, you know, just many, many things. Rosicrucianism, studied Gnosticism, got deep into, you know, Quran, the Torah, took on the Kabbalah, studied under a rabbi for eight months out of Israel. And so I pulled all this together into these frameworks. And then I was able to see how even astrology, how all of it fits together. I have this like crazy grid that this is what you do. I chings in this. Buddhism, Hinduism. And so I just integrated all this religion and all these different practices and all these spiritual aspects of things. And then I had like a playbook to work off of. And every time I teach it, something new kind of comes out of it, but it's becoming something that's very still. And what I'm finding is that more people are being attracted to it because it doesn't feel like a far off space. It feels like, oh, like you, you're into quantum physics. Great. Here's your door. I'm a Buddhist. Here's your door. I'm a Christian. Here's your door. You just, here's a door and you find yourself. And my whole end of it is I should never be your guru. You are the guru. You are the Messiah here to save yourself. We each were each other's disciples and we're here to show up, to hold each other in the discipline of the thing that you know you are to be. And that's, that's the journey.

Thank you for sharing all of that. One of the things that you obviously are focused on your website is scienceofabundance. AI. How would you, I guess, describe science, Science of abundance? Like, why did you choose that for the name of your business? What does that mean for you?

Yeah, so when I first got kicked off, it was, I was starting as like, I'm gonna be this abundance alchemist. There's abundance and there's alchemy, and abundance isn't money, but it's this energy of the divine. So there's an energy of the divine or the one mind or God or whatever you want to call it, you know, that's the unnameable. And then there's a very scientific way of being able to bring that into life. What I found as I've gone deeper into my journey is that there have been these Ascended masters that come through life. And what those Ascended masters are really great at doing are being able to practically apply esoteric and mystical knowledge into the hands of the many. Okay. And so when they can do that and it becomes not a far off thing that you do, it's not like, hey, there's just this magical guy that walks on water all the time. There is actually a very specific structure and way to do this. And you take the science, which is the practice and the ability to repeat the thing over and over, take the theory, take the practice, and do it over and over again. So I started doing that. I'm like, oh. And then I put it in a book and I'm like, well, here's a book. You can follow these things. You can do it on your own if you want. And if you don't want to do it on your own, then you. And if you really want to ground yourself in the theory and the practice and the understanding of it, then there's a deeper spaces that we can go. And so, you know, my, my theory on, you know what I feel like this maps very closely to is you call it the walk of Jesus, you call it the walk of Krishna, you can call it the walk of Buddha. Any of these people, when they get persecuted and people start pushing them away, okay, it's because they're teaching the masses something the elites don't want them to know, okay? And when they teach the masses the thing that the elites don't want them to know, the elites then lose their power. And then, in essence, you have to do something in order to suppress that. Right? And if Jesus Yeshua, at the time we had all this esoteric knowledge and he was sharing it with the world and showing them how to do what this thing is. And one of the things that I learned, like in the, in the separate era, there's all of these practices that if you do those practices, you can actually like, create New realities, like you can make things happen. You never do them out of integrity. You never do them to hurt anybody because you hurt yourself in the process. And it's like the most painful thing you could possibly do. But when you walk that path and you do it in love, there are very specific playbooks. And that was given from the days of Abraham to Isaac and Ishmael and then splintered down and those brothers disconnected. And then there were things that sat in between them that kept them at odds, that hold those whole lineages. Right. And that thing that kept them at odds was ego. Right? Was a power struggle. Was somebody looking to take that mystical knowledge and hold these two things separate so that it never comes together and actually allows humanity to have this global expansion. Because if you look at judaism, less than 0.2% of the population, they have this imprinted in their DNA. The oral tradition, the way they can execute on it is literally imprinted of what they can do in this linear process in order to be able to take mystical knowledge and make it very practical. On the other side, Islam does a phenomenal job of being able to take. And they're almost like blockchain. If I were to take technology, they haven't changed their. Their scripture. They are very disciplined in what they do. It happens over and over again, and it's like an unshakable movement. But they don't have this. You put those two things together, you imagine the entire. It's like something dripping in water. It just like spreads it out globally. And there's no accident to me that the contention between those two religions is very intentional. Okay. And it's because we don't stand in worthiness. So the science of abundance is showing us how to stand in worthiness and how you bring those religions together, how to unify that instead of being something that sits in the middle, that holds, right, the separation and says, hey, Jesus, go look over there, go chase that guy, go follow him only. And he's your only way to get there. And if anything gets in the way, push them apart. And so Islam is getting in the way and Judaism is getting away. So we're going to go on a crusade and mess that up, right? And so, you know, anytime you see what's wild, this is. I'm going long answer. But it rounds back into the thing of science of abundance. Anytime you see a mass ascension of a. Of a superpower, there's always a suppression of Judaism and a conflict with Islam, right? Every time. Okay. Like with Rome, you know, I mean, Islam wasn't quite there yet. But with Rome, suppression of Judaism, let's get rid of this Jesus guy. Let's hold that power internally. Right now, you've got the same thing happening. You've got these superpowers rising. You've got literally, you know, the Zionist movement and Judaism placed in a war conflict zone, okay? Like, being like. It's like bananas, like, what's happening here? And we're fighting each other and who's, like, who's pulling that string? Okay? And then after, you know, World War II suppression, same thing, superpower rise of an entire ecosystem of who had just lost a war that almost took over the whole globe. There's something magical inside of that code that when we unlock that, we as human beings completely heal this planet. What. How do.

How do these concepts of science, of abundance speak to the unique experience of African Americans in our country? Like, how does. I don't even know the right question to ask other than, like, obviously individuals who are African American in the United States have had a, for lack of a better word, challenging experience in so many different ways, including economically. And so how do these issues of science, of abundance somehow speak to that situation?

Yeah, great question. I. One of the things that I look at as a. As a black man or African American, whatever we call ourselves at the time is that we have given ourselves this gift of oppression. And it sounds weird to say, okay, you take hermetic laws, laws of polarity, laws of cause and effect. Every cause is an effective effect, has a cause. You take the polarity, there's this expansion, the wider eye set, the vessel, the more that I can hold. So if I oppress something for so long, that means that my upside is so big. Okay, polarity says that, law, rhythm says that. You know, all of it says that. So I have. There's so much upside. What ends up happening is that inside of esoterism, okay? If you understand how that works, and if I were somebody that really got it, I could set a ceiling and constantly press a race down over and over and over again, all right? And set up structures that I have to intentionally set up. And this isn't like conspiracy theory, and it's part of it is the responsibility of self, of the African American, the black man, to be able to see. Okay? If I understand how those systems are set, I know how to get around them, right? But if the system is set and, okay, well, slavery. Boom, I hit that. All right, well, now I've got, you know, what was civil rights issues. Boom, I hit that. Well, now I've got, you know, these ghettos and different ways of, you know, DE&I initiatives that are not being pushed back. Boom. Now there's that, right? And so there keeps being this thing that happens over and over again. All it is is pulling back a slingshot like crazy. It's pulling back the slingshot. And at some point, once there is, you know, one, there's a couple of other individuals that are doing this work. You know, there's got a 19 keys and, you know, several others out there. They do a really good job of being able to say, here's a lane you can go through. So once you get that slingshot to a point, you can pull it back and let it go. And that letting it go isn't letting it go of, like, okay, I'm gonna just aim it wherever and fire it off. But it's being able to be so intentional and find the path through these mystical practices. And there's no wonder that, like, if you look at even, like, church and the way that it is, it's one of the most segregated places in the world because there is very specific things of how we are learning inside of that church that is almost like a colonial expansion of being able to keep a very specific race in an oppressive state. And we're doing it to ourselves. Okay? But that slingshot is. Is really far back right now. And so when one gets through, you see kind of like really magical things that happen. It's like, oh, really amazing president, really amazing inventor, amazing athlete, like, all this stuff kind of like fires through the hole, and it's like, oh, well, there's something magical there. In just the oppression of the DNA, the oppression of the generational trauma that's going to allow for the African American or black community become very, very great. And the issue will be is that at any point, because of the way that we have to go through that eye of the needle, if we do it with ego, then it's not going to work. If we do it without love and unity, it's not going to work. We have to do it with, like, a full surrender, a full letting go, and a full receivership.

What does that mean? To be released from that slingshot with ego and without love, what would that look like practically in our world?

That means it's. It's. It's an unembodied. So what that means practically let me land this is that I get released from the slingshot and I'm not integrating where I land, okay? I go to where I land, and then I come in and I try to tear it up because I have resentment associated with it. And then all I'm doing is I'm on the other side, is I'm now pulling the slingshot back again somewhere else instead of landing and being hitting the eye of the bullseye. Right. Okay. You're not placing yourself in a place that makes sense. You're not going to a destination and really integrating and deepening self while you're there. You're just going and tearing stuff up. And so that's what ends up happening oftentimes is when the slingshot is released, and all of a sudden you have, like, this big movement, but then, you know, we're tearing up a city or there's some, like, riot or there's like, you know, kind of. You saw, like, in Black Lives Matter, right? The slingshot got released. Some beautiful things came out of that, and some riots came out of that. Right. And so you see both sides of what's happening, and there's this anger that is very warranted because it has to be released on the other side. There's also a way to do that with love. Right. Martin Luther King. Do it with love. Right. Don't do it with anger. You could go Black Panther. Do it with anger. That's okay, too. But you have to see the juxtaposition of both to know that there's one. That's the bridge that unifies everything.

Mm. One of the things you talk about is moving from a victim consciousness to a creator consciousness. You just alluded to that just for a moment. No matter what race or ethnic background someone is obviously. What are the practical steps that I could take to move from? Maybe even just starting by describing what is victim consciousness, what is creator consciousness? How do I move from one to the other?

Yeah. So in, you know, one of the foundational days I talk about is the hermetic laws, Right. And in the hermetic laws, there are, you know, the one hermetic law that really deals with this is the law of karma. And most of us look at. Look at karma as like, oh, this bad thing's going to happen to you if you do something bad. Right. What we don't recognize is that there's also. If you do something beautiful or you do something great or what is the rhythm that you're casting out into the world? Right. What is the vibration and the energy that you're putting out there when you are at this, what I call the seat of cause? Okay. You are the cause, creator of everything in your life. Everything is emanating out of you, then you know the effects before they happen. You can almost tell the future. This is where, like, psychic powers come in. And it's being able to. I always say you put yourself at the seat of God, but on the other side of it, right? You say, okay, what did you create in your life? Well, I created my parents. Well, most of us think our parents created us. All right? I created my perspective of my parents. I created them. And like, an easy example, a practical step would be to sit in a creatorship, is you just sit at your day right now and look around you. I'm looking at my desk. All this stuff I created for myself, okay? I've got a. I've got a piece of mail over there. I've got this, like, little rag thing that I use to wipe off my computer screen. I've got some chapstick, some stuff on my desk. And I created needed to help me. At some point. All of these things are going to help me and be useful tools to me. Most of us are like, oh, well, this stuff's in front of me now. I'm a victim of it. Oh, well, there's a piece. There's an envelope on my desk, right? That could either be a check or that could be a bill, right? If it's a bill. Wow. I'm in awe of being able to make an offering and moving energy around. Some people look at that and say, oh, that bill. I can't believe they keep the electric company. I can't believe they keep hiking up their kilowatt per hour rate. And now I'm having to deal with that. I'm in. I'm in awe of the fact that I can actually move energy to the. To that thing, which moves energy to somewhere else. And then you're not being a victim of the bill that you have on your desk, right? And then if there's a check on my desk on the other side of it, I'm in awe of being able to have an offering presented to me, and I'm going to do something with that. And so it's just taking the perspective of moving into a state of awe, into a state of wonder. You know, I always say it's not about being excited because excited means that I set some expectations that if I don't reach those expectations or surpass them all the time, then I'm going to be disappointed. And awe means that I see everything as a miracle. So if I see everything as a miracle, it is a miracle, Then what does it do? It sees me as a Miracle. And it responds back to me because where two or more are gathered, there I am no matter what's the microphone, You, a dog, a cat, a frog. I see it as a miracle, it sees me as a miracle. And then we become unified. And then I'm in love with my creation. So that's the shift from being able to go from like, hey, I'm going to be a victim of being like, okay, I'm not in awe. Everything has to be a show for me, everything has to be extra. And if it's not beyond the expectation that I set, that is my baseline and my benchmark, then I'm going to be wildly disappointed in my life all the time. And therefore I live as a victim in the circumstances of it not being enough. And that's not abundance, that's not worthiness. Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how do you handle the timing of things? As you're living in that place of awe? There is also this desire. You're setting intentions. Perhaps you have desire, expectations. And things are not coming as faster as you would want. You know, would you consider that? I guess for me, I wrestle with that in those moments of going, well, is it not divine timing? Is it like not the right time in terms of the universe or God's perspective? Or maybe I'm just not doing something right, you know, maybe my landing page is horrible or maybe my presentation is not good, you know what I mean? Maybe I haven't worked hard enough. How do you, how do you see timing of things unfolding in our lives?

Yeah, timing. Timing is a useful tool. And timing becomes our enemy, which is always our gift. When we hesitate. When we hesitate and we don't understand our creation. So things like desire, things like setting expectations, I always say, don't set an expectation, set agreements. So I set an agreement and I put my own time on that agreement. And then I say, okay, in order for me. I mean, imagine you're doing a project for work. I say, okay, I'm going to build a landing page. I know it only takes me two weeks to build a landing page. Right. Or I'm going to set an intention. Maybe I've never done one. I'm going to put a two week timeline on it. Now I'm going to work back on the things that I do to get that done, my agreements, landing page. I'm going to do a workback schedule to get the thing done and then I'm going to make sure that I do the integrated steps along the way to get that to happen. And if I don't do the integrated steps along the way to make that happen, then I can't be mad that the landing page isn't done. So if I set an intention of saying, all right, well, I mean, we'll use a money situation, I want $10 million in my bank account. All right, well what's my work back schedule? Well, I can, here's all of the spaces where resources are in the world. I can go and do this, this, this, this or that. And I wanted to get in in a month, right. In order for me to get in a month, I'm gonna have to work either really, really hard, I have to come up with some new innovative idea, I'm gonna have to. There's gonna be something that I have to do that's extremely unique and there are examples of people that have done this before. And so I'm gonna have to go super hard to get that done. And so what are the steps I need to do every day to make that happen? And so I put those integrated steps in place in order to get the $10 million a month to take place. Now I might sacrifice something in the process. Well, do I have a kid, I have a wife, I have this, I have that. I have to make sure that those agreements are set. And at some point if I'm breaking one of those and I'm out of integrity with that, it's going to impact the other one, right? So either you have a really clear path and this is where selfishness versus self love comes in. Because selfishness is when I now start sacrificing other people around me for my own benefit. That's tied to a very specific thing that absolutely has nothing to do with my abundant state. It has to do with me chasing something else. Self love starts to happen is when, okay, I set those agreements. But let's say I, I have a kid, which I do. I have a 16 year old, I have a wife, all right, she wants a very specific type of relationship. I have two dogs, I have my health, I have all of these different things in my life that I've set agreements with when I set those agreements. Okay, well, I want to have a fitness that looks like this. I'm going to eat like this way. I'm going to have, you know, be with my wife. We're going to go on date night two nights a week. I'm going to have the things that I do within my company on a daily basis. Like there's agreements that I already have set. If I go on all Of a sudden I say I'm going to get $10 million one. Why am I doing that? What is it for? Who is it serving? And if I go and I chase after that and I sacrifice these other things, my container of integrity for those agreements is now broken and therefore this one will never work. So you also have to be able to integrate all your agreements in unity and you have to be able to lay the grid work of your life so that those practical work back steps get there. And so the thing that you're talking about is like say, hey, you set some intentional and you put an intention out there and that intention is X. If that intention doesn't align with all the agreements that you currently have set, you're going to break something. And if you do something to break those other agreements, then you're never going to get that one. And it's a very delicate structure. And one example is there's whenever I'll coach men in my life if they're having trouble with finances, okay? Like man, I make money, I lose money, I make money, I'm losing money. All of a sudden I was really crushing it and all of a sudden the money just started disappearing in my life. I don't understand why. 9 out of 10 times either cheating on their wife, their girlfriend, they have some relationship issue or mother wound, period. There's an aspect of receivership and the feminine version of themselves that is completely out of balance that they have taken a very unembodied masculine approach on or they're just like watching porn. There's something that's happening that is not balanced and when they fix that thing, money comes rushing it. Beautiful. Beautiful.

A couple last questions. If you were able to sit down with someone dead or alive for a conversation with them, who would it be.

And what would you ask them? It would be. It would be my 8 year old version of myself. And I would sit down with them, which I've done this and I tell him, you're about to go through a bunch of stuff and keep your head high, okay? And when you can find the spaces to love yourself, okay, find that. And what that looks like is this. What it looks like is do these things every single day. Because even though this path that you're going to go down might be really rough, okay? If you do it with love and awe and excitement, you're going to slingshot out of it wildly fast. I mean, it's going to be a beautiful thing for you. And maybe there's ways that you can avoid it. Maybe there's Ways you can't. But no matter where you end up, I'm going to tell you right now, even after all of the crazy stuff that I've gone through, you're going to be wonderful. Even with this bit of information. That's what I would do. Beautiful.

You have a razor blade around your neck. Not many people wear that.

No, no, it's a, it's a hell of a thing at tsa, you know. So what does it mean? Yeah, yeah. So it's the. So when I was, when I was. I got out of the Hoffman process, the integrity was a theme in my life. What I found is that walking in integrity is like being on the razor's edge. Okay. If you, if you try to split the middle of it, it's extremely painful, right? If you walk it just right, okay, you can do it, but you have to have the right shoes on, you have to have the right equipment, you have to have the right infrastructure, right. In order to be able to do it. And also, okay, when something is in your life that you got to get out, you need to cut it out. Right. And not in the way of pain. Right. Because when you, when you use one of these, it's kind of unpainful, right? It is in a way of, of severing. Okay. That which needs to move on. Right. That which needs to move on and figure itself out. And I always use this concept. It's not about. It's not about separating, it's about severing in love, but keeping a cord attached so that you're feeding it energy in a space of. Okay, they've got to go do their thing, you know, SAP with my son recently, you got to go do your thing. Right. And yesterday, like we had this beautiful drop in and he's like, dad, thank you for letting me do my thing. Because I get it now. I get where I was going, even though for like five months it was tension. So. Yeah, beautiful.

So I know that you can work with people or people can work with you through one on one coaching, but you also have some online offerings. What would you suggest? If someone's interested in the things that you're talking about, what would be the, the next step to work with you?

Yeah, 100%. So most people find me through Instagram, which is abundance 10,000. So they can get there and that's like a starter kit, okay. Of just information and drop in and information and drop in and make it as entertaining as I can make it for some of these information and knowledge. I have a science of you class. So generally the next step after that for, you know, quite a few individuals, just take that. There's a self paced version of it where you can go back and watch some of the former classes that we've done that's a little bit less expensive. And then there's a live version of it that we do once a quarter and that is, you know, $197 for the live version, it's $97 for the replay version and people really like it. You know, the testimonials have been amazing and then generally 20 or 30 of those every single month will graduate up to, to a resilient U class. And in that resilient U class, it's where we really integrate letting go of the trauma patterns, being able to integrate how you do this mystical knowledge, how you walk in life. And we have community that ends up holding each other accountable to make this thing a reality. So one is the teaching and the next one is the practice.

A science of abundance, AI and Instagram, which I would really encourage people to check out. Amazing reels. Abundance 10,000 Sean, thank you. Thank you for sharing your story. I know you've shared it a million times, but I just, I just appreciate you sharing it once again for our audience. People that you know are just getting to know you, appreciate your wisdom and thank you for how you're investing in our world and investing in people. It's so beautiful and I feel your genuineness, your love, your desire to help others. So thank you.

Yeah, no, likewise, thank you brother. I appreciate the invite. This is my been a beautiful thing and everything you're putting together. The world needs it. So thank you as well.

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