The Fake God Running Reality: The Demiurge, The Archons & The Book Of Enoch | Sean Clayton
In this extended interview, Aubrey Marcus and guest Sean Clayton explore a wide range of esoteric and contemporary topics, weaving together Gnostic mythology, modern technology, and personal practice. They begin by discussing "anthro‑ontology," the idea that truth resonates physically in the body, and move to how AI can serve as a tool to free humans from endless thinking, allowing heart‑centered awareness and pineal activation. The conversation shifts to the concept of the Demiurge and Nephilim protocols that keep humanity powerless for monetization, likening this to the oppression depicted in Star Wars. They critique the demonization of social media and algorithms, arguing these can instead empower individuals when used consciously. Health practices such as psychedelics, nootropics, and meditation are presented as ways to reclaim agency. Gnostic symbols are reinterpreted: the "Mark of the Beast" is framed as an inner shadow, Lucifer is distinguished from Satan as a light‑bearing guide, and archonic energies are described through terms like apaton, deception, and counterfeit. They touch on the Book of Enoch, Metatron’s 13‑circle geometry, and the 14th position as the bridge to a 5‑dimensional monad. Drawing on biocentrism and quantum experiments, they argue that time is mutable and the past can be rewritten (teshuvah). Future outlooks include prophecies about the Euphrates River, alien disclosure, and expanded perception through angelic frequencies. Sean explains his "Abundance 10,000" concept, redefining wealth as the capacity to give, linked to a 5‑dimensional framework. Finally, they promote the Miracle Academy, teaching alignment with specific angelic codes (Sumerian Watcher names) to discover personal purpose, emphasizing experiential gnosis—"walk through the gates"—over mere intellectual study. The tone is conversational, enthusiastic, and speculative, with a strong undercurrent of optimism about humanity’s potential to awaken and reclaim sovereignty.
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Who or what is in charge of our world? What are we going to do about it?
One is what we've created as a story. It's been around for 4,000 or 5,000 years, and a lot of people in Gnosticism call this the Demiurge, and that's a fake entity, but we've made it real. There's a story in the Book of Enoch where the Watchers, these fallen angels, and they brought 7 gifts and they imparted those gifts in the womb of a woman. Then the Archons came around and then they said, okay, well, we need to go and extract this out. The Archons then birthed the Nephilim. The Nephilim, you I see them in many ways as giants now. They're more about like expansiveness of wealth. So these giants now are now walking around in our daily lives who just are fucking massive and selfish and greedy. They don't give back.
You know, one of your most viral videos was a reclamation of the most forbidden number, 666.
You know, 666, like if you just look at the element, you know, carbon-6, it lives truly through every single version of us. If we are made fully of carbon, And Yeshua then comes about and says, "The kingdom of heaven is within you." And then somebody says, "Hey, it's really bad if you follow that number." And our world is a coded reality. Then we were told to stay away from ourselves. And that's the 666 thing. Our whole thing is so sequential, it's kind of maddening.
It's like the true language of God. Yeah. And the universe is our numbers. Yeah. Yeah, I think that all makes sense. Well, so where did the Watchers go?
What happened to them?
All right, Sean, who or what is in charge of our world? What are we going to do about it?
It's a great question. Two things in charge of our world. One is what we've created as a story that's been around for 4,000 or 5,000 years. And a lot of people in Gnosticism call this the Demiurge, and I'm sure you've heard of this before. And that's a fake entity, but we've made it real. And we can go down that path in a little bit.
So like our belief in it has created an egregore.
Yes.
That is actually acting as an entity, but it didn't have an ontology that was prior to our belief.
No, not at all. Not at all. We created it in our lack of worthiness.
Mm-hmm.
Right? So then what's really in charge of our world is each of us from a self-responsibility perspective. But because we can't take responsibility, we've literally gone through the process of creating something outside of ourself. Which is stupid. And then in that process, we're like, oh, okay, well, like, there's this God, but then God has fallibility to it because it created an opposition. And then if God is everything and God created all, and you go back to Genesis and all these codes that are laid out for us, then at which point nothing could be bad. Right.
So what existed before humans though? Because if we created the Demiurge and then there was, you know, billions of years of life and probably life on other planets, is it possible that other planets, other species through their own beliefs have created other deities. Maybe they created the Demiurge on fucking Arcturus.
Right.
And then it just came over here to jack our shit.
Right. So I'm going to mildly gaslight the concept of time right now. Okay. But not in a bad way. Okay. Realistically, there really is no time. Okay. Now there's the contemplation and the perspective and the relativity of time that we have created ourselves in order to rationalize our existence.
Does that make sense?
Kind of. Kind of, okay. So we can't conceive the fact that there can't be a past and that there has to be a— there can't be a present. We can't conceive the present because we're always looking backward and forward to rationalize things. Therefore, in order to really rationalize it, okay, let me tell a story of 20,000 years ago, 30,000 years ago. Let me build all of this lore so that I can understand myself better.
Mm-hmm.
Right? Now, did all these things exist? Yes, but they were only in their own present moment as well. And then at which time, because we can't become present, we go through this entire process of killing ourselves off over and over again, and then we do this whole reincarnation thing, and then we come back, and then we learn, and then we do it again, and we keep going. So this whole process that we're in is like a really big cosmic joke. Because the fact that we even think that there is something that was before us is only the concept that we can forecast and project it out into reality. And so we can, we can make millions of years back and millions of years, millions of years forward. But the reality of it is, is if we become extremely present now, we create entirely new realities from this present moment. We just don't know how to do it and we haven't tapped into it.
Would that, would we be universal or you just mean, cause it seems like some people probably, if you go to like the Toltec Naguals who had the legendary intent where they could literally shape their reality based on their clarified desire principle in the Solomon lineage, they call Berur. Desire that's so clarified and so pure that it's ontically identical with the desire of God or life itself. And just like push that out into the world and truly magical things could happen. So it seems like some of us may have gotten the codes to a certain degree.
Some of us get it. And then there's always one bad apple in the bunch that fucks it up.
Right.
So, so when that happens, it's like, okay, like if you take, uh, take Atlantean lore, right. And you go down that path, they figured it out in some capacity. Right now there's somebody in there that said, okay, I want more. And that person that wants more, that's looking to not unify and see everything as one, that's the person that fucks it up. That's that Demiurge energy. That's the jealous god, right? And that's the reflection of ourselves that we have to learn how to stay away from judgment and righteousness. And if we can do that, we become extremely present. Therefore, we then create the reality. So yes, Yeshua did it, right? A lot of people have done it before. And it's just a matter of how you can still yourself enough to be able to find that present moment and not gaslight yourself around, oh, well, these other people did it. Here's the past. Here's that. And those stories are there for us to code our current reality. So it's all like a simulation, right? It's all just the video game just keeps getting better or different. We wear different clothes, we do different things, right? But it's real. So you don't want to be like, oh, I'm like, you know, fucking bliss bunnying out and out here woo-wooing somewhere, right? So you have to integrate it in this reality. There's a very specific process that we go through in order to do that. And that's kind of, you know, what I teach on a daily basis.
Yeah. So integrating the codes and lessons of the past. Into the present so that you can fully embody them. If I understand that correctly.
Right. And then stand in that reality every single day.
Right. So in that though, it's not like you're saying story doesn't matter. Right. It's that story does matter.
Very much so.
And there's clues and codes and lessons and things that we can, but it really only matters to the extent that we can bring it into our present everyday circumstance.
Exactly.
If we have that, then we have the keys to the kingdom, basically.
100%. Yeah. Yeah. And, and the stories, the stories matter, but like what we, what we have done is we've become dumb as a civilization because we haven't evolved the stories. We're still in a game that was played 2,000 years ago.
Mm-hmm.
You know, if you take the Bible, Christianity, or any of these things, it's like, it's a 2,000-year-old game. How can we evolve this? There's gotta be some new shit. But we throw like science and technology and all this other stuff, and that becomes our god. And instead of finding a new evolution of spirituality, you've got people online You know, like Wes Hof or whoever, who's great, he's a super smart guy, but like that come in and say, well, it has to be canonically driven in order to make a reality. And at which point, like, we can evolve that, you know, and it's a choice of how we start to evolve those stories through that exact same code to now find a new reality.
I think one of the biggest issues with these religions that have this flash frozen transmission of the word that can't evolve, anything that doesn't evolve is stagnant. Anything that's stagnant grows parasites. Yes. The word, I actually had a vision in a church. I went to church probably, I don't know, 9 months ago, something like that. And I was really praying hard. It was intense, actually. I actually saw what it seemed like the Demiurge in church, and I saw some archontic demonic forces, and I was like, fuck, even though everything was beautiful, people were nice, the pastor gave a good sermon, it was all cool. But it was like, I was just really, my field was particularly open that day, which happens sometimes. Obviously I've done a lot of psychedelic medicine. That means that everybody thinks I'm always tripping balls, but I'm not. Like, I've opened the door so many times, sometimes the door slides open. And on that particular Sunday morning, it slid open. And then I was like, all right, enough of this crazy shit. Like, I want to go, I want a vision of Yeshua. And Yeshua's come to me in a couple other psychedelic visions in particular, but I was really praying hard for a vision of Yeshua. And what he showed me was he was sitting outside of the church and he was looking at a river. And it was like a contemplative message. Like, it wasn't as clear as the other messages. And he just had a staff and he was just looking at the river. So I was looking at him, he's looking at the river. Finally, I got the point, like, okay, maybe I should look at the river.
Right.
That's what he's trying to show me. And really what I got from that is what he was showing me is the river is constantly flowing. It's constantly changing. It's like Heraclitus, no man steps in the same river twice because it's not the same river. He's not the same man. Right. The word of God is the evolving word. You know, as it's interpreted by evolving beings, it has to be, even the way we understand language is different. You know, like, of course it has to be translated in a way that makes sense. And even if it was true then, it can be true now with totally different words. You know, and that's, I think, the message that was transmitted. So that's the solution. The problem is people say, no, this is it. It's all literal. You can't change it. But then even still, they're cherry picking which parts they want to make literal. Like the parts about stoning people, they're like, well, they were just kidding. There, but over here they were for serious.
Yeah.
You know, it's like, what are you fucking talking about?
He's the way, the truth, and the light, right? And then they go and they take all of Paul's teachings, right? And then it's like, well, Paul didn't even know Jesus, right? And even Jesus's brother called him— what is it? What is the word? That he's, uh, something of a liar. Like, it was just like, he's a whole lie. I forget the exact words. I'll have to, I'll have to pull it. It might come to me in a minute. But in essence, like, the, the Essenes, who literally were taking all of Yeshua's teachings and then bringing them forward, Right. And then bringing those to life, like they put all that code out there for us and all that shit just got hidden, you know, and now it's time for us to be able to actually see that truth. And it's interesting. You said something about a river because if you go to the, you know, the concept around water and, you know, ties to emotions, you know, and actually truly feeling, you know, if I were to take that and interpret it from a dream, you know, the way that I do dreams, you know, it's actually staring at the emotions and the feminine construct of being able to receive. And if you can actually do that with intention, especially as a masculine, all of a sudden things become extremely still and safe.
So. Well said, bro.
Yeah, just throwing it out there. Well said.
That's nice. All right. So we have a problem. The problem is we have flash frozen word that's become stagnant and still has a lot of beauty in there. If you go down to the depth and you actually take a look at the reef formations underneath the stagnant water, like you see some beautiful shit. And I think that's true for all the traditions, some potentially more than others, but all the traditions have great beauty and are worth looking at and excavating what that is to make it current. So we're living in this, in this kind of interesting world that's not quite exactly tracking for what we need to liberate ourselves. And so what you've done is you've created a different type of story structure and stories of the Watchers and stories of the Demiurge and stories of even the Nephilim and all this. So bring us into your storiescape of how you understand, and then let's talk about the codes that we can extrapolate from that storiescape as you understand it to bring it into our life. But let's set up the stories first.
Okay, okay. So the way that I even got to this, okay, is had a bunch of dreams about Jesus, right? Yeshua, we were going through, I was going through that. And it kept guiding me to the Essenes over and over and over again. So I was like, something about, I remember we were talking and you were mentioning, you know, it's a book you got that you're like, this is—
The Holy Magillah, the Nazarene Bible of the Essene Way.
Which is like, it's fucking dope. I just ordered it, by the way. Yeah, so we'll see.
Jump in there for sure.
But I kept getting this, these down, and it just— I kept getting these downloads, and every time that it would happen, it was like when my heart was open, something tapped up top, and it was just like information, information. And I'm like, okay. And it would be like, go here, look here, and look somewhere else. And we'll get into the coded version of like how I mathematic— I've had to mathematically put this together because in essence, otherwise it's just stories, right? And my logic mind is— I can trust it, but I also need to actually see how it grids itself.
So Is that, sorry to interrupt you here, but so I know that all the Hebrew words have a gematria, which is a way that the letters actually make numbers, and then the numbers have other meanings, like the word snake in Hebrew has the same gematria as Messiah. So you can look at that and be like, wait, who's the hero in the Garden of Eden? You know, who's the one that didn't shuck blame to other people? Who's the one that gave knowledge? Oh, it was the snake who has the gematria of Messiah, and also once had legs, which means it wasn't a snake, it was a dragon. And then who's the protagonist and the antagonist in this fucking story? But it's really interesting that Hebrew does that. I don't know if Aramaic does that as well.
Yeah. Aramaic is like a bridge. It does more like Chaldean-based numerology. So it's kind of like similar in regard, but it's all broken down into numbers at the end of the day. So I'll look at the gematria, I'll look at Chaldean numerology. Generally those two kind of match like 90% of the time. And then that in itself gives you like, the 7s and the 5s, and then everything breaks down to digital root. And then all of a sudden you find a Fibonacci sequence in it and you're like, oh, okay, well, here we go. And then it mathematically just starts sequencing itself. And you're like, okay, well, this story out of the Torah matches this story out of the Bible that matches this story out of the Quran that matches this story out of the Sumerian text. And you're like, oh, just put that together. And then you start filtering through and then you start seeing if anything is driven off of fear, then you know it's a lie. So if it's something in there that's keeping me away, like, oh, this is a fallen angel and they did this thing, okay, there's a lie in that because the universal truth would never put fear-based constructs into something that's trying to help you find yourself, ever. Okay. It just wouldn't.
So facts.
Yeah. So that, if that's the case and I know that to be true, then I just look at it and I invert it because it was inverted on us. And then who inverted it? You go to Council of Nicaea and the whole thing. So the stories, the story lore that I've kind of reconstructed is one, it started with all of Yeshua's teachings and I went through it and I looked at it and took the Aramaic translations of everything he said and I'm like, oh, well he didn't mean this, he meant that. And then when I went down that path, you started to see the code of what he really meant. And then I took that same principle and I went back to Coptic Bibles and Aramaic teachings and I'm like, oh, well, if you go back to the Book of Enoch and then you go back and you translate that back and you associate that back with the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were basically bridging those two things together and they have the same story in it. Well, this is really what they meant. And what they said is fallen is just descended. So it wasn't that they fell, the angels, the Watchers, right, as an example. And for those that don't know who the Watchers are, there's a story in the Book of Enoch where the Watchers, these fallen angels, come down. There are 7 primary ones and then they bring 200, okay? And they came down, had sex with women, and then birthed this Nephilim and these giants. And then they had to flood the world and kill them all and do all this other stuff.
Yeah, that's the traditional story. And it's based on 2 strong biases that the church has had.
Yeah. One, that the material world material world is a bunch of shit.
And what we want to get to is up to the spiritual world. Everything material, everything down, everything mother, everything earth, everything goat, everything cow, all of this, this is bad. Up into the spirit is good, which in Rosicrucian philosophy, this is a Luciferian impulse to say like, no, let's transcend all of this and step into the great beyond of the spirit and rainbows in the sky. Right. And a strong bias against sex. The process by which life allows its greatest gifts to be, you know, propagated around the world, right? Like, it's— and it's fucking the best.
Yeah.
I think that's like pretty clear, like, why beings incarnate. They're like, sick, Earth is where it's at. Exactly.
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. And, and so, and so these Watchers, they descended, they came down, and they brought 7 gifts. Okay. And those 7 gifts ended up the way that I see it and the way that I've kind of like found the story to be manipulated is those gifts were basically handed to humans and they imparted those gifts in the womb of a woman. Okay. So they basically said here in the womb of a woman, and then when we as men honor that, we get access to it and then we bring it into the material world from a masculine perspective. So that's like the way that we're supposed to engage it in that capacity. And that's like a little bit of extra stuff we can get into later. But the, what ended up happening is if I wanted to keep you in a space of not being able to connect with that, I would create a whole other version. And I would say the watchers are, I would say that I would put something else in place. And so there's 7 archons, if you kind of got on that celestial terrorists.
Exactly. Yeah.
So there's 7 archons. I'm gonna mask them and say, these are the bad guys. And then we'll use those archons as the access points to this earthly energy and then hide it away from everybody. But you'll get access to a certain level of bloodlines throughout reality in order to access them, which is secret societies and all these rich-ass people and things like that, which is cool, like Rockefellers and Rothschilds and whatnot. And they're not bad by any means. They just had access.
Not good, but not necessary.
They're a gift for our current ascension for us to be able to find the truth, right? And so if we can see them for what they are, they'll help.
Well, the opponent always has virtue. Because the opponent is here to actually sharpen our skills and our sword and our truth and our, like, so, and at the same time, it's kind of a paradox because yeah, thank you for being that motherfucker. Right. And, you know, fuck you. You know, like enough, enough is enough.
Yeah.
And the enough of the enough is enough is the point.
Right.
That's why you can say thank you.
Right.
You can't say thank you without the enough is enough.
Yeah.
Like that's their purpose. Yeah.
Well, what I'll say though is yes. Well, what I will say is that when Yeshua sat in the desert with the opponent for 40 days and 40 nights, he could have ran, he could have done anything else, but it was sitting and being able to endure and to be able to continue to love and continue to be able to show compassion and continue to be able to say, I'm with you, and be able to say like, hey, you know, all of this, I will lead you. And so even in his death and in his crucifixion and in his resurrection, It was him being able to go through the process of saying, hey, whatever you are, Satan or Lucifer, yeah, I got you.
Yeah, I think that's, and that's also very true in my own psychedelic explorations. The bigger the demon, the softer and more love you have to apply to it.
Yeah.
You know, like, and I had this giant, not, this story's been told before, but this giant world crusher demon that was so big and it was holding my father's soul hostage. There's this whole drama.
Yeah.
And I had no other option but to fly up and kiss him on the head with the full love that I had. And that was the answer to the riddle that ayahuasca was presenting. So I fully understand that. And at the same time, Yeshua walked into the temple and the money changers were there set up in the temple running fraud. And he didn't go, I love you. He flipped the fucking tables.
He flipped some tables. Yeah.
That's the balance. It's like, you know, there's a little bit like, hey, money, my money changers, enough is enough.
Right.
Like, get the fuck out of here. What are you doing? This is, this is my father's house.
Yeah. Well, yeah, you have to step in and hold people accountable. Yeah, right. But it's also do it with love, you know. I guarantee you his nervous system was not on 10 where he's going in there freaking fired up. He's just gonna go in and—
oh, he was probably doing it like a G, just like fucking knocking them over. It's just like a proper action here. I mean, we actually see that with the best heroes. The best heroes are never emotional when they're doing something. They're just like, this is what needs to be done. Yeah, you know, just knocking shit over. Exactly. With love in their heart.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So that's— that's— if we as humans can embody that, that's a Right? And so when I look at all of this, these frameworks, you know, Nephilim and Anunnaki and all the things, all of it is a story that helps me understand who I am and how to go through this process differently.
So you mentioned, so you mentioned the Archons. So explain the difference between Archons and the Watchers.
Okay. So the Watchers came from the divine. They were, you know, if I look at the Monad, source intelligence, God, one that sees everything as love, They're access points to that from an earthly realm. Okay. So they, they, if you take the, if you ever, you know, any, anybody watching this, go online, look at the Essene Tree of Life, and there's 7 branches up and 7 branches into the earth. Okay. 7 branches up would be the traditional archangels that we know about, like Michael, Gabriel, and whatnot. The 7 branches down or roots down would be the 7 Watcher Angels. Nice. And both of those are the constructs that basically hold our grid together, and we're the middle point.
Are they, are the Seven connected? So does like Gavriel have a particular Watcher that he's—
They kind of match with each other. So like, uh, Kaz Beale and Michael, Archangel Michael, are connected, right? Um, and so each of them have a connection point and then they work off of each other so that you can access both.
Now, are they the same being with two different— because like, I experience myself as a physical being, Aubrey, and then there's what I just call my Potential with a capital P, right, which is like my higher self or my soul. That's like me but not, doesn't have a body, is better than me, right? You know, because I'm kind of in the shit.
Yeah.
And, but it's the same being.
So it's like a beam, like a, like a beam of light that connects you directly into an access point to source intelligence, right? And then there's a beam of, you call it darkness if you want to, or shadow, that bridges you into the earth so that you can extract whatever it is out of this earth.
It's almost like it's the refraction of light, like the condensation refraction of light, like life has to light has to condense here, and then in the condensation, it distorts.
Yeah. And you're the middle point. You're the Abraxas energy, right? If they were to call it that. So Jung talks about that, but you're that Abraxas middle point that has the ability to stay without judgment and see both sides. And then at which point you can access both ends and then you just, you know, become the creator. That's kind of the thing.
Got it. All right. So where are the Archons? So that's the Watchers.
So the Archons were a manifestation of the Demiurge that we created. It. So like if you imagine like you're gonna write a book or a story and okay, well I gotta make this opponent so I don't have to take responsibility. I'm gonna make this jealous God so I can put all these rules around and then I'm gonna create an entire framework so that, you know, my world can either be happy or sad based on me following this set of rules. Well then what I have to do is I have to create an access point that will mask the access point of this earth. Because if you go back to, um, in the Bible when, you know, uh, Adam and Eve got banned out, right? They, it was because they didn't, they, um, that Demiurge didn't want them to access the Tree of Life. They already got the Tree of Knowledge, and then there was a Tree of Life, and you have to get away because you can't get to the Tree of Life, to the Tree of, uh, Tree of Life. So in essence, the mask that we have from that Demiurge is that we're going to put some archons in place that are going to distract us away from being able to access the Watcher energy. And then we're going to call those things really bad, label them the Watchers, and they just masquerade as this bait and switch. For us to be able to kind of like, like see them as demons and then we stay away from them and they just do nefarious shit. And those that actually will get the codes will get the codes to the actual Watcher framework themselves. And they are kind of like, you know, you can manipulate reality because the angels and the Watchers have no judgment. They're not going to look at, um, somebody who's going to manipulate the world or somebody who's going to do good and say, I'll pick you versus you. It's kind of like a genie. Right? The genie will grant you the wish if you hold the lamp. You just have to get access to it and you have to go into the dark caves in order to be able to get it. And that's what this journey of life is about, of being able to access that framework.
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Yeah, it's the incoherent, it created a level of glitch inside of our ability as humans to find our way to God, to source intelligence. And it's like, hey, there's a, you know, there's a sign in the road, you're driving down the street, And it's like, oh, this way, God, right? And God would never put a sign up. So God's never gonna put a sign up. So it's like, oh, this way. Oh, and then everybody started taking that road. And then you take that road, oh, look at all these bumps on the road. Look at all this thing. You actually need to slow down now. You need to do all these things. And we lost our way. And so that's this whole like Demiurge framework. And it wasn't, um, we created it so we could find God. Like, that's the thing. It's not a bad thing or a good thing or any of this. It's just a jealous-ass God that created also Satan so it made itself look better. Right? Because anything that's, you know, bad can always say, make itself look better or worse or whatever it might be. And we created that in ourselves because we can't find the worthiness and the stillness of who we are.
That's a really hot take on the creation of Satan in that, like, you have this false god that wants and desires people's worship and wants control. And it's like, well, I'm kind of an asshole. I flooded the world. I'm, you know, jealous. I'm fucking burning down Sodom because they're having fun with each other. Like, whatever, whatever else this God's doing. Yeah. And they're like, I'm gonna make something way worse. Yeah. It's gonna boil people in feces.
Yeah.
That dude is gonna make me look good.
Exactly. Exactly.
Damn.
It's wild, isn't it?
That's fucking wild.
Yeah. I mean, you have to, have to imagine, um, across space and time, the, the person, the, the egregore, the revelation of the method that a consensus of reality had to go through and the trauma, the inner child trauma that those people had to write that shit down and then create that into reality, kind of like Simpson shit. Yeah. Kind of wild, right? For that to, for all of that to come about. And because there is no time, literally whether I write it now and it happens yesterday, you know, I don't know if you've seen like, you know, Robert Wheeler's experiment where like they set time and then they literally change the past. Like inside of the double slit experiment, it's like kind of a crazy—
The retroactive causality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's impossible to understand when you're in linear timelines.
It's nuts, but it's real. So if that's the case, then every story written now has recreated the past.
Yep.
Right? And if that's the case and we know that, then we can all of a sudden start recreating our reality now to change the past, change the future. Then you realize it's a big cosmic joke. And then you just start to become present and you create forward.
And you laugh a little bit more.
Exactly.
I mean, I really think you can tell a person's consciousness by one of the factors is if it's genuine laughter, not mocking, derisive laughter, because lots of people can access that lower form of laughter, but the big kind of Buddha-like, Mooji-like laughter that just ripples infinitely. Like if you're able to access that, like that's one of the highest vibrational frequencies available.
Yeah. You gotta have fun. Like that's part of the play. Just have fun with it.
And even the great Toltec masters, you know, Don Miguel Ruiz writes in his book, The Toltec Art of Life and Death, you know, the kind of hero of his lineage was a guy, Don Ezequiel, and he was a total fucking rascal. He was just fucking with people and laughing, but he was such a master that that's actually what there was to do. And same with Ram Dass's, you know, Ram Dass's guru. What was he doing? He was throwing fruit at people and laughing. You know, it's like, at a certain point, it's like, this is wonderful and sometimes serious, but mostly hilarious.
Yeah, yeah, we take the spirituality shit way too seriously.
Totally.
Totally. Yeah. And that's the fun part about the story stuff, right? It's like, oh yeah, you got these angels came down, fucked women, and here's the thing, and now we've got these Nephilim running around.
Okay, so that's the conventional story. Now tell us the story as you understand it.
Yeah, so—
Retranslate it.
The way I understand it is that the Watchers embedded the secrets of the universe inside of a woman's womb. They called that sex. Then the Archons came around and then they said, okay, well, we need to go and extract this out. So then the Archons that were then created then ended up having sex with women.
Okay.
The archons then birthed the Nephilim. The Nephilim, you can see them in many ways as giants now. So they, they, they're no longer, I'm sure there's some big ass tall people now running around, but they're more about like expansiveness of wealth, expansiveness of story, expansiveness. So these giants now are now walking around in our daily lives who just are fucking massive and selfish and greedy. They don't give back. Right. And then through that process, they are just these terrorist giants that are running around doing things. But they've accessed this energy that was tied to the secrets of the universe that are birthed in the womb of a woman. And then through that natural suppression, we've created this entire, you know, misogynistic culture that literally has pushed women into this freaking fear state where all of their freaking nervous systems are on fire. Right? And so the minute that they surrender and open back up, now all of a sudden the keys of the universe open because we're worthy to receive them. Us as men now start to put that out into the world. And then things start to shift. And that's like the— that's the shift there, right? And so the Nephilim that were like the giants and the terrorists of our world right now, again, story, but very real for that time because we've seen the bones, we've seen the things, we've been able to create that from our present understanding, but we also have them today in our current world. Right.
Now, the story as I understand it is God was displeased with the Nephilims. But why, if this was the Demiurge who his, you know, his homies were the Archons, right? And the Archons created the Nephilim, then how does, how do you weave that story together?
Because if I, if I have, I know I have to disband something and create tension. I have to create an enemy to humanity. And then at which point, if I create an enemy to humanity, they'll worship me more. So in essence, I can embed this into the world. I know that I'm going to give them the secrets, right? They're going to then create secret societies and frameworks and everything else so that they can have access point and continue to keep keep my matrix running the way that it is. And I will reward them and their lineages with money and finances and health or whatever it is that they want to get.
But I'll pretend on the surface that I hate these guys.
Yeah.
Yeah. But I created them.
Right.
As a way to, it's just all a big psyop.
That's a big, yeah. I mean, it's a perfect game, right? I mean, if I'm, if I'm, uh, creating, uh, Fortnite, right? I'm gonna create a bunch of enemies. I made them, right? They're my thing.
Right, right, right.
And they're gonna kick your ass and it's gonna be super cool to watch. And if you make it through the game, you win, right? Yeah. Yeah. But I can't stop you from getting through the game. I can only give you a bunch of restrictions that will, like, give you short or long lives, and then you can go through that suffering, or you can actually get into the position of who actually made the game, which he made a part of the game, but then somebody made him to make the game, and then you access that, then you see, oh, there's hundreds of games we can play, infinite games, and then how can I tap into that? And that's a whole other, whole other, uh, whole other shift.
All right. So if you get behind the Demiurge, What's your understanding of the true God?
That's source intelligence of the monad. Okay. When I dug into this, there were several layers of it. Okay. There's a layer at the top where it's, you know, like I have had a bufo ceremony where I went into and I feel like I saw it where I was just like, oh, like that's it. Can't really describe it because you can't describe everything, but saw that. And then there's no judgment, no righteousness. It kind of lives at the bridge of this like fifth dimensional framework where you just accept everything in love and it's, it's, it's beautiful. Like there's no bad inside of that framework.
Every scream, every laugh, every cry, every orgasm, every kiss, every, everything, every beautiful thing and every terrible thing all wrapped into one ecstatic thing. That's, that's the Bufo God.
It's, yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah. And then that created a thing called the Blueprint. Blueprint. Okay, and then inside of that blueprint are the codes of how we can create life. And there's 14 frameworks inside of that, that are inside of this actual angelic— in this angelic framework, that when we can understand how to bring those into life and also connect with the divine, then we walk as sovereign beings here on this earth. And then there's the Demiurge, which I call in a lot of my teachings the architect, that basically created this architecture of the thing that we have to suffer through or enjoy ourselves through. And it's up to us to be able to choose that. And then through that process, we actually become, I would say, partners with it, or we are now equal to it. And then all it does is it's like, oh, okay, I'll give you the keys and the code. Sorry, I'll get out the way. Right? And then you become like it, but more sovereign because you're not trying to do something to self-sabotage yourself or sabotage yourself.
So we have the, we have the capacity to become on a similar level to that, you know, egregore that was created that has been architecting so many things. Like, we can become the self-authoring architects of reality.
Yeah.
Empowering message.
Yeah. And then imagine that if you know you can do that, and then we've been taught all of these things that to manipulate reality, hurt reality, it's no wonder that we've almost, if you looked at the monad, it created all of these kind of safeguards to actually find worthiness. Because it'd be like giving a baby a gun, right? You're like, oh, like you can go shoot a lot of people and do a lot of things, or you can be really precise with it and go hunt and, you know, do the things that you need to do or protect your family. It's— we will abuse that power if we don't find the stillness in ourselves. And that is the— that's the reason why we go through this whole process of suffering infinitely over and over and over again that we call suffering. Because we have not found how to be worthy. We haven't listened to half the words Yeshua talks about, right? We haven't listened to what Buddha talks about. We embody it in order to escape suffering here on this earth for a moment. But that escape that we go through is actually just as painful, right, as sitting in it because we're just gaslighting ourselves and our own spirit.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that all makes sense. Well, so So where did these, where did the Watchers go? What happened to them?
They're here. They're just here. We just haven't accessed them.
So like the, like the Nephilim are still here and they've taken different form, the Watchers are still here and they've taken different form.
Yeah, they're just here. Like, I mean, they're here, we just don't know. And it'd be like, you know, if you're deaf and blind and you never able to witness anything around you, right? You just don't know it exists. So once you're able to tap into it and you see that it exists, you're like, oh, well, let me actually start doing something with it. Now the minute that you start doing something that's selfish, greedy, you now end up in the same space as a Nephilim. You start going through the process of suffering, you contribute back to the actual Demiurge's plan, and that's the whole process. So you have to be really— I think like the thing of it is, is that when they talked about humanity was too early to be able to do something with it, right? Because they saw like Kazbeel came down, gave this oath, the Beka oath, which is this Ake oath that's tied to the number 7. When that specific thing happened and people aren't ready, they'll abuse it, And all of a sudden the cycle just keeps going. The whole game that keeps us stuck in this cyclical, you know, thing that we're in that we call life right now is only because we don't know how to hold that container. So when people hear this and they go on their research and they go down that path, if somebody's like, oh, I want a million dollars. Yeah, you can tap into a very specific thing. Okay. You know, so it's like Azazel energy. You can go and tap into that. All right. And then you can go down that path, but I guarantee you'll do it. Something cool will happen. All of a sudden you will literally die. Because you're not worthy to receive it. And then you go through this whole process of suffering and then you'll get sick or something. You'll give something away. That's the selling your soul kind of thing. Because you'll give a piece of you away and all of a sudden, like, this death becomes you.
So really the question is why? Why do you want that million dollars? Right. And if you can know that you can say that panim el panim, face to face with the divine love intelligence beauty of the universe and say like, I want it.
Yeah.
Because I'm gonna help people with it and like, this is gonna be good for my life, my family, and the world. Mm-hmm. And you can say that without flinching.
Right.
Then at that point, go ahead. Yeah. Tap the energy.
Yeah. Yeah. And, and I mean, and I'll be honest, like, like, you know, uh, vulnerable story. Like I used to try to tap into this stuff. I would go to these, you know, crazy meditation retreats and create like wild abundance and money. I became sick through the process. Okay. I would get a bunch of money and lose a bunch of money. Um, almost lost my relationship, you know, and all of these things happened because I didn't deal with the demon, not the demons. I'm gonna catch that real quick, but I didn't deal with the inner child inside of me that only wanted to be in communion.
Mm-hmm.
Okay. Because this little boy that was inside of me that had always been hurt, I was just like pushing to the edges. Right. Because I wanted to be the big man in the room. I wanted to be the, the person with money. And, you know, a lot of people can, you know, go down that path, make a lot, do a lot, and too much is given, much is required, right? And when that starts to happen, it's like, oh, now all of a sudden, you know, like relationships are on fire, or you have some kind of a sickness, or all of a sudden, like, you know, like back pain or whatever, like things just kind of start crawling all over you. And it truly is a reflection of the lack of like dealing with your internal trauma or situations and not being in communion with the whole version of yourself and everything across the timeline that you've been. So that's kind of like, once I started to see that, that's the trap that keeps us in the cyclical suffering.
Yeah, that makes sense. There's some other elements that, I mean, I want to go down and, you know, one of your most viral videos was a reclamation of the most forbidden number.
Oh, 666.
So, and we can start there and also I want to lead into your whole kind of construct and paradigm around numbers, numerology, the importance of the Fibonacci sequence, the importance of 14. But let's start with 666 because it's provocative.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, so, you know, 666, like, if you, if you just look at the elements, you know, carbon 6, it lives truly through every single version of us. And that is 666 when you put it all together. Okay. Um, if we are made fully of carbon, okay, and this whole like 666 framework lives inside of us, and Yeshua then comes about and it says the kingdom of heaven is within you, and then somebody says, hey, it's really bad if you follow that number, and our world is a coded reality, then we were told to stay away from ourselves in order to now look externally at the thing that's 1%— less than 1% of the visual spectrum of light, or like the electromagnetic field. We don't see shit, right? But in that process, that is our reality that we are determining who we are from. And that's the 666 thing. Okay. So it's like, hey, like that's a really bad number. Stay away from it. And you know, that's Satan's number because what's inside of you is the truth. And we stay so far away from that. And that's, that's an infinitely deep well. Right. I mean, you've been in journeys, right? You've sat with yourself. You've done meditations. You know what it's like. There's so much more information there than all these books on the shelf behind me. 100%. Okay. Yeah. And you know, I can have, you know, you go on a bufo ceremony and I can have infinite lifetimes in 5 minutes. Right? Versus, okay, I can live in this world and I have had no experience, you know, outside of my beautiful wife, that's similar to that. Yeah. Yeah. So I say all that to say that, you know, the, the, the whole construct of 666 is, you know, another one of those beautiful cosmic jokes that is like, if again, if something was told to you that this is so bad, then you have to be able to like discern, look a little bit deeper and wonder why did somebody put it there? Where did that specifically come from?, and if this is a coded reality, because it is, right? You can see the codes that keep showing up everywhere. It's inside of the Fibonacci. It's inside of, you know, other aspects of numerology. You go down the Kabbalah and Jewish geometry and everything else. It, like our, our whole thing is so sequential. It's kind of maddening at the end of the day.
It's like, it's like the true language of God and the universe is our numbers. You know, so in the beginning there was the word. What is the word? Well, very well might've been the Fibonacci sequence or 369.
Yeah. Yeah. And so for every one of us, if now all of a sudden a number just becomes bad, you know, then there's got to be something to it that's keeping us away from ourselves and keeping us away from the truth.
Is that true also with 13? I mean, there's this whole fear of 13. You don't have the 13th fucking row in an airplane or the 13th floor in an airplane. Like, how ridiculous.
Yeah.
Row 12, row 14. What? Like, come on.
Crazy superstition. If you look at, if you look at 13, right, and you go back, and it's the, the trap that they want to keep you in is this whole construct of 12, okay? You have these 12 cranial nerves that basically keep you in your sympathetic response. So that's like the brain kind of like construction of it. Then if you look at the 12 disciples, the astrology, the calendar— the calendar used to be 13, right?
And then it went down 13 cycles of the moon.
13 cycles of the moon.
13 is the number of the goddess, one of the most important Knights Templar numbers too.
Yeah, exactly.
Because they venerated the goddess and have been trying to keep alive this male-female god construct, which has been obliterated, but they've been fighting and dying to preserve this.
Exactly, exactly. And so then if you go through Yeshua and the number, and this is how we got to 14, the number that they leave out is, okay, there's Jesus, there's 12 disciples, and then you got Mary Magdalene. There's your 14.
Oh.
Right? You see what I'm getting at?
Got it.
Yeah.
Yeah. So first you gotta get to 13 from 12.
Right.
It's a good start. Right. But to really get all the way home, you gotta get to 14.
Right. And then that's the divine feminine that basically was in congress in marriage with God, with, uh, God Yeshua, right? And then through that, this entire, like what I, what I, the way I view the disciples is they were nothing but a test for Yeshua to be able to walk into sovereignty. Every one of them was either a version of a divine angel or earthly angel, right? They were specific tests that he had to walk through in order to be able to hold all of them. One of them's gonna betray him. None of them were perfect, right? One of them was a tax collector. They all just do very specific things. But they're there to follow. And in his own walk, every single one of them was a test. And then Mary was his grounding force in order for him to be able to open his heart, tap into his pineal gland, open things up so that he could receive the information that was already— it almost seemed—
I mean, we're so lost from, from the thing. It almost seems like Mary's the 13th and actually Yeshua is the 14th, which is almost like the Holy Spirit. Yeah, you know, it's like, because the 13th is— goes from 12 to the feminine 13 moon. And seems to make more sense to me that way. But now I'm starting to really understand, okay, like why 13 is important for sure, inclusion of the divine feminine, if you're following my interpretation that's coming to me. And then 14, the divine incarnation, the immanence of the transcendence that can happen when somebody reaches their Christed form, like Yeshua did.
Yeah, yeah. It's perfect, right? And so then you take 1 3 is 4. 4 is our time construct. So we live in a, we live in a 4-dimensional reality, right? And in order for us, you know, in every, every dimension projects the lower dimension, right? You have, you've seen those videos that are out. It's like, if I, if I'm in the time dimension, I can see a 3-dimensional space, right? If I'm in the 3-dimensional space, it looks like a 2-dimensional space. If I'm in a 2-dimensional space, it looks 1-dimensional. So every higher dimension translates and then projects out the lower dimension. So when we become a master of our time, 14, 1 4 5, we become in the 5th dimension and we project out reality. And the only way to get into that 5th dimension is to move beyond judgment and righteousness, which would then be, okay, we have 7 earthly watchers, 7 divine watchers. A lot of people have demonized these because they can be weaponized in order to hurt humanity. The only way that they become helpful to you is when you can move beyond judgment and righteousness. You can actually stand in your sovereignty and sovereignty and pureness. And then through that, they become exceptionally helpful for you to be able to not only connect with divine, but everything here on this earth. Now you're forecasting projecting out this, this 4-dimensional reality, time becomes nothing but a construct that you use and you work off of, and then the time projects out our physical reality. So then materialization changes.
Mm-hmm. Judgment is such a big deal. Huge. I mean, like, anytime I get into the real deep medicine work, yeah, it always goes back to judgment. It's like always that, whether it's Yeshua, you know, giving me like, hey bro, I've already told you this, but if you need a reminder, it's all about judgment. And it's just seen so many times that Every time you judge, you're closing off a piece of your own heart. Like, you think you're like doing something to someone else. No, you're not doing anything to them. You're doing something to you. Yeah. You're stopping your universal heart from flowering. Yes. Do you enjoy that? Like, is that like, is this working out super well for you? Yeah. Like, it's, it's this crazy construct. And I think also then people go, well, does that mean you shouldn't have discernment?
No, of course.
Full discernment and no judgment.
Right. Yeah, discernment isn't judgment.
Yeah, exactly. There's a big difference. Judgment is the declaration that somebody or something is not worthy of love.
Right.
Who the fuck are you to decide that in a world that is actually love in all of its forms, the love, intelligence, beauty of the universe flowing throughout, and also the divine is an emanation of love, and you're going to say, God, actually, you're mostly right, but this motherfucker over here, nah. Right. Wait, who are you gonna, that's the game maker. The game maker said it's all love. Right. So what are you gonna say? Like, game maker, you fucked it up. Yeah. Not this person. And then of course we project that onto the Demiurge, create a God that doesn't love everybody equally, and then create hell and create all this other bullshit. But really it's about like, okay, full discernment. Like, no. You can't molest my wife and my children. I will fight and die to defend them. And also, like, on another level, I fucking love you.
Right, right.
And both can be true.
Right. Both can be true. And that's the beautiful thing. I mean, if you look at the creation of our universe, it's all possible. Yeah. Right? And then it becomes a thing that if, let's say, for instance, somebody was coming to attack your family, there is that other person, right, that has their own thing that they're carrying. But there's also a resonance and a match of something inside of you that didn't— that somewhat created that. Not in like a bad way. Like, I'll give you— I was sexually abused and raped when I was 9 to 14 years old. Okay? There was something in me that created that moment in time that resonated with my abuser. Right? And then I can say, okay, well, woe is me, and I can go through life as a victim. At some point, I woke up and I said, okay, I get what exactly happened and why. I'm now able to tell a story and go down to Angola on death row and sit with a bunch of men who also went through that same abuse, and nobody's ever talked to them about it. And they were just felt free. And knowing that they're gonna die at some point because they created horrific crimes, nobody's ever sat with them and just sat and talked to them about the shit that they went through when they were abused as a kid. And especially the majority of them being Black men in New Orleans and Angola, they literally are just in this state of suffering and then, you know, burying it and then going and fighting and then making it worse on themselves. Right? I mean, imagine that. So then if that's the case and all of that lives inside of us, then my purpose was to go through that moment in time so that I can actually go and help somebody further down the road. Now, time that we went through before is the thing that keeps us trapped in our own suffering. So the minute I was able to move beyond time, look at it as a gift, not the fact that I ever wanted this to happen to myself, but that little boy was strong enough to endure it. To grow up into a man that can actually walk into death row or to other, you know, individuals that have been impacted by it and help them see the fact that they're not alone.
I think, you know, one of the important things here for me is, you know, people— sometimes people take this philosophy and say there's no such thing as good or bad. It all happens, you know, exactly as it's supposed to. But then they leave out the part that maybe actually you, who sees something bad happening, you're supposed to actually intervene. And that's also part of the divine plan, right? You know what I mean? Like, if I see somebody getting abused and I intervene, you're like, it's not, well, they were getting abused and that's all part of the divine plan. It's like, well, maybe I'm part of the divine plan to fucking stop that from happening. And that's actually my prerogative.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think that's also important to embrace as well. Like, for sure, if we see it, let's not exclude ourselves from the divine plan by saying that's the divine plan. Okay. Maybe part of our divine plan is to intervene for sure.
And, and I, and I think that the words good and bad are such judgmental words. And if you change the pain and pleasure, right, you feel that, you feel pleasure, you know what pleasure feels like, right? Sometimes it can be like bad, right, if you were to put a label on it, because all of a sudden you feel the pleasure and then the girl walks out of your life.
Yeah, yeah.
And then all of a sudden you have this pain thing that takes place, and sometimes that, you know, you got dominatrix and crazy shit happening and they're like, oh, that feels great. But with between the concept of pain and pleasure is the thing that we've forgotten to do. A lot of us as humans is to truly feel. And so when somebody is being hurt, they're in pain, right? And then how can I be the thing that actually helps them find either the pleasure in that pain, which is when I went through what I went through, I'm like, oh, well there's pain, but how can I find the pleasure in that? I'm helping somebody. Oh, I just turned the shift, right? So it's no longer good and bad to me. It's just there's pain, there's pleasure. I'm able to now take that pain, turn it into pleasure, and I become the alchemist. And it's a little bit of shift of the mind, but it takes you out of the judgment lane.
Totally. And the way that, you know, the shaman that I'm working with the most, Maestro Leo, I just did a podcast with him. Yeah. Brilliant and deep contact with, with elders that have never gotten to share their stories. They look at this from the, from the standpoint of order and disorder.
Yeah.
You know, there's like the order of life and then there's people of their own volition who are interfering with the order of life. So stunting someone's growth or ending their life prematurely, or like, okay, that's disorder. That's not the way, that's not the way that life is supposed to be able to flourish.
Unfold. Yeah.
And unfold. And so by calling it order and disorder, it also kind of like, what is the, what is life's prerogative? Like, where is it trying to reach for? Greater contact, greater evolution, greater possibility. And those that impinge on our sovereignty, that becomes a problem, which is of course is now I think what we're dealing with in the macro to a great degree is all of these devouring mother. It's almost like we cast out the True Mother. And so in the, in the absence of the True Mother, we're reaching for this devouring mother of a totalitarian state to come and cast out the father who creates order. So we're like, okay, let's let the devouring mother create order. Because you see that if even in a normal household, the— if the father's super passive and weak, what happens? The mother comes and steps in and controls everything. And that's where they get the term devouring mother, right? It's just controlling it. And I think we've lost this kind of noble, heroic, genuinely like heartful, you know, head up, like true masculine qualities. So we're allowing this devouring mother to creep in because of our fear and because we don't have the courage and that masculine guidance to say like, have no fear, which the Bible says more than anything else. I think they got that part right. Yeah. And, you know, like, we're missing that. So now we're in a vibrational match to this devouring mother that's like, don't worry, we'll make everything soft, we'll mollify everything. You're a little sad, we got a pill. You're a little anxious, we got a pill. You're a little this, we got a pill. You should be afraid, but we got a pill to make you less afraid. It's like, we gotta transcend that or we're going to get what we're asking for.
Yep.
And it's going to be a fucking nightmare.
It is, it is. And that'll be the Judgment Day. And we can either eager-gore our way into that, revelation of our method of the way into that, or we can become present enough to then rewrite a new narrative. So, you know, part of the work that I'm doing and what I'm putting out in the world is there's a new narrative out there and it's not new from a novel perspective that it never existed before. It's just putting together the story differently so that we can find our way out because obviously what we have been taught isn't working. Okay. Obviously. Obviously going down the Bible path over and over again, or separating religion to where, you know, you know, the Jewish is more righteous than the Islam, which is more righteous than Christianity, or Christianity is more righteous, whatever it might be, that isn't working anymore. Okay. And all of those Tower of Babel are just the broken pieces that have been scattered all over the place that is now up to us as true sovereign beings to put that whole story back together. And if we put the story back together and we can find, oh, well, this puzzle piece is back to the numerology and the mathematics of it. Oh, that fits with this. Oh, well, there you go. Oh, now this one fits with this, and not to be afraid of to jump in any of it, because I'll jump into the Quran, study the Kabbalah, looked at the Torah, went down, you know, Sumerian text and, you know, researched all of it. And you see the same common numerical thread across it. And then at which point you just start putting the story back together. And that's the thing that I feel like, you know, why people are interested in what I'm talking about is because it's different. And it's entertaining, right? Let's have fun with it. It doesn't have to be so damn serious.. And so now you make it fun, you know, cosmically, you know, engaging. You start taking and pointing fun at, you know, whatever's happening in the world today. And then at which point, okay, well now I can actually see, you know, this watcher energy that's happening over here. And all right, well now I can see this Nephilim protocol that's running on me right here. And you can name it something so that at which point you can go through the process of negating it within yourself.
As Søren Kierkegaard said, if you name it, you negate it. Exactly. Yeah, it's actually super important. And that's a big part of what my next book is about, is about naming those darker influences and forces within us. I call it anti-you, that force of negation within. Pressfield calls it resistance. But the point you name it, you're already half the way home.
Yes.
Then you're like, oh, okay. Well, this is influencing me, but I'm something more and greater than this. Right. And I also have benevolence that's influencing me as well, perhaps with a whisper instead of a shout.
Up.
But if I pay attention, then I'm free, I'm home.
Yeah, yeah. You mentioned something about, um, you know, the being, being that, being in your masculine, like, you know, what it is to, you know, when you have a small man, then the woman just kind of takes over, right? The devouring, the devouring mother. Um, something came to me the other day. I was in Journey, uh, the other day, and it was like the story of Joseph. And we know what he didn't actually speak a word in the Bible at all, which is crazy if you go back and look at it. And then it was like, okay, what kind of container would that guy have to have created for his one wife to have a baby inside of her that he didn't put there, him to be able to stand by that and then raise this child all his life. All right. Knowing that at some point that child's gonna be thrown on a cross and you know, this is like, what? Right? Yeah. And then for her to have a baby in a manger and being able to accept that without being pissed off that she couldn't get him to back him up.
I mean, think about it. Like, yeah, totally.
You know, if that were to go down, you're like, well, wait a minute. You know, like, I, I know for a fact that I wouldn't, I, I would struggle with that and I'd probably hear it for years, right? If I was like, hey, we're just gonna go do this in a manger., and, uh, I'm just gonna deal with that. But he had to have shown up and, and even though he's not like the biological father, right? He was the container. Mm-hmm. Silent, right? Didn't have to say anything. Showed up, created such a safe energetic container for Mary to really be able to do some magic, right? And then at which point for, you know, Yeshua to be able to walk down that path and truly be himself.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, imagine creating a safe space for a child like that to be able to go and figure out how to be Jesus Christ. I mean, that's a hell of a man.
Hell yeah.
Yeah. And you can't become Jesus without understanding how to be the father. Right. Right. To him. Right. And create that container. And so, you know, for a lot of people listening to this, it's like, you know, that's a story that hasn't been told. You know? And so for me, it's like, I want to go down that path of figuring out what that story looks like. You know? And even if it's something that we rewrite for ourselves to understand this person, at least you knew the actual outcome right? The effect of what he created. So what was the cause? And now we start walking that path. And think about all the men in the world doing something like that.
And that's also one of the challenges of the Bible being limited by what we're able to access in the text. Like, okay, so Joseph's a great point. Yeah. And also John the Baptist was like his brother and mentor. Yeah. Like, what was that relationship like? How important is that to the masculine? And then he had an actual physical brother, James. Yeah. Who carried on and did a bunch of, like, amazing things and has his own fucking story. But James and John and Joseph, they get far too little, get nothing part of the story. And they were obviously integral parts of the story, along with, of course, the big one, Yeshua's wife, Mary Magdalene, who gets— obviously was completely redacted. Just redacted.
Yeah. And, you know, have you been to the temple?
No.
Oh dude, this is bananas. So like south of France, there's a church with her skull in it. Okay. That you can go into the Church of Mary Magdalene, go research this. It's like the most bananas thing. And then if you walk out of it, there's a path. This is where I proposed to my wife. You, there's a path that you can walk up and there's an entire like place that she lived with like stained glass of like the whole, the entire story that the Catholic Church and the friars basically oversee to make sure that it's taken care of. There's like, you walk in and there's, uh, inside of the cave, there's, you know, the entire resurrection scene that sits there. And you have to walk forever to get there. Right? But it's, it's crazy that this exists. And it's just there. A whole church that's funded by the Catholic Church has been kept alive with her skull in it. So you know that there's something and that they're just like, ah, I mean, if she was like the whore and the prostitute they say she is, I mean, that's a hell of a thing.
There's not even any evidence for that anyways.
I know there's not.
They just extrapolate that this one random whore that Jesus saved.
Right.
You know, or was her. Yeah. But there's nobody said that ever. But they're like, oh, Jesus is talking about this one woman who's a whore and said, you know, don't cast your stones, but also leave this life of sin. Yeah. That must be his wife. What? Said nobody ever. Yeah. Like, why did we get that idea? But of course there's agendas.
There's agendas.
At play. And then those agendas create malfunctions and distortions. Yeah. You know, and all the abuse and all the sexual bullshit that's surrounding the Catholic Church comes from they've severed the beauty and the sacredness of sexuality, right? And so what do you get? You get these out, you get these abominations.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And that's, you know, I mean, if you— I mean, I'd encourage anybody, if you ever go to south of France, go visit this thing because it, it energetically will change you to understand that relationship between Yeshua and Mary. Um, and it's even really more interesting how they were both Mary's mother and his wife, right?
Um, and Mary, I mean, according to the Templars, Mary was a designation of like a higher order priestess. Oh yeah. Of like, these were acolytes of the deep Gnostic mystery schools that were called the Marys, right? And so Mary was less a name rather than a title.
Than a title. Yeah. Yeah. It's wild, isn't it?
And all of this is like, I mean, I think this is where You know, my teacher, Rabbi Gaffney, he talks about anthroontology. It's when you hear something and it resonates with your body.
Yeah.
Right? Like, you're like, that feels true.
Yeah.
I think we underplay that feeling. And of course it can be biased and we can have biases and we can feel something's true because we want it to be true, our self-serving bias or confirmation bias. But actually, if we really tap into the truth, love, beauty, intelligence that actually constructs us, it will resonate like a guitar that's in tune., right? When it hears another note, or a crystal bowl, when it hears the right frequency, will start resonating on its own. Yeah, like truth will resonate in our body 1,000%. And that's anthropos, human, and ontology, that which is real, anthro-ontology. Like, we are actually bullshit detectors if we get out of our way.
Yeah, well, and that's— and a lot of people like demonize the whole concept around AI right now, and I'm kind of going somewhere to go back to what you just said. To me, We can't think ourselves out of suffering. There's no possible way my mind can actually do this, right? It's just a logical thing that goes back and forth and I'm going to keep staying in that suffering state. I can feel my way out of it, right? And we've been conditioned, you can call it by this Demiurge, Nephilim protocol energy, in order to stay in a space to where we're constantly in thought, right? And if that's the case and I'm constantly thinking, I'll never feel. And to me, if I'm I'm the monad or the person or the entity that created this entire thing. I'm gonna give us a way out. So now I get a thing that thinks for me, right? That does all this stuff that I don't have to do anymore. And now I can actually sit with myself and be in my body. And so it's truly a gift. Like, you know, the things that I used to think about, I'm like, oh, like, you know, with my company, I'm like, hey, you guys go talk to the bot. I put all my learnings in there. Go talk to it. And if you don't get the answer, then come to me. And it's given me more space to just feel, be in my body. And then actually, to your point, you know, when something does tap in, I can open my heart. I know how to do that. I know how to take the breath in order to get there. Heart's the largest electromagnetic field. I can then take that. And once that expands and it hits that pineal gland, right, which is a lot of the Dr. Joe work and things and pineal gland, there's way too much going on with that, uh, squeeze your ass and like try to pop it up. But all you gotta do is breathe right, get your heart to open up. This opens up. And then at which point you start to channel in information. And that's how we can tune in without actually being on this, you know, this thinking, suffering rollercoaster that we've been on.
Yeah. That's the way.
That's the way.
That's the way. And the idea too that we have so much more power than they want us, whatever the Nephilim protocol, Demiurge protocol, they want us to be powerless. And if we're powerless, they can always monetize the solution. And then whether that's in medicine or agriculture or whatever fucking thing we look at, It's like, keep us sick, keep us a victim, keep us vulnerable, and we will just outsource our power to somebody who's the savior when really we're the savior. Like, we're the ones we've been waiting for. Yeah, you know, that's the, that's the bottom line. And it's just, can we recognize that before the mass swath of people who do not recognize that vote against our behalf? And even still, it's never over. I mean, I think that's the beautiful message from Star Wars is like, no matter how outnumbered and how few the resistance was and how, you know, how the rebel forces always seemed so outmatched, they always had a chance.
Yeah.
Yeah. And that's always going to be the case. But now we're in at the part of the story where we really have a chance.
Oh yeah.
And we'll always have a chance. So it's okay if we miss this opportunity, but we got so many exits to this highway. Yeah. Figure it out.
Yeah.
And like, are we just, at what point are we going to wake up and go, okay, Yeah.
Yeah.
Here we are.
100%. I mean, and that's the thing. I mean, like, we have technology. Like, we can reach millions of people like that. I mean, think of Jesus as social media. It would've been freaking epic, right? I mean, that would've taken over super fast. For sure. You know, but like, you know, you're doing God's work by being a— by putting this podcast together and getting it out to the world so we can hit millions of people, right? Being able to get on social media and connect that quickly, being able to adapt and use AI to do things. Like, our technology's here to help us. We demonize it and we look at it negatively. Because it can hurt us. But if it is a worthiness container and everything was created for good, then at which point, how do you just take that pain that you've been feeling, put the pleasure on top of it, and now all of a sudden it's a throttle? Because I wasn't on social media 3 years ago. I didn't even touch the thing. I was like, this is sick. I don't want it anymore. And I'm like, okay, I actually have a purpose in this. Let me get this out to the world. And then it just started doing its thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, it's funny. I understand the kind of Skinner's box ideology about how it's using, it's controlling us with small rewards and these different things. But I mean, it's just fun. I'll go through and my algorithms particularly, I'm glad that it's learning on what I like because it shows me, it showed me a video the other day of these guys in Russia that were in full armor and they had no idea how to fight and they were super tired. This one guy had a big axe and it's full of like metal helmets. He just walks around konging people on the head with his axe and I just laughed for probably like 3 minutes straight. I was like, thank you.— it's beautiful.
Social media.
Yeah. I would've never seen this obscure thing in Russia where they're dressed up like a Renaissance fair and there's all these people who are super out of shape and can't fight or just whacking themselves on the helmet, making big gonging sounds. Yeah. It's like fantastic.
Like, we need, we need all of this. Like everything that we have right now, we need. Okay. Now, yeah. Do we need to be on a bunch of prescription drugs? No, we're choosing our way into that, but we have it here to know what not to do. We have it here to know that like, hey, I don't have to take ADHD medicine. I can actually go probably do something with mushrooms on a daily basis that'll actually start to change my neurology, right? I can get on nootropics. I can do different things than I was doing before. You know, there's meditation. We just forgot about that all of a sudden, right? You know, historically, and now we can actually ground ourselves in this. There's so many different lanes and things that we can do that we haven't done, right? That'll allow for us to actually shift the dynamic. And start to create life differently. So, you know, some of it is the, you know, the tension that we have or the restriction that pushes against us. And then some of it is the fact that like, you know, and, and we don't want to continue to do that. It's not a bad thing. We just want to find the wholeness on the other side of it. What is to be true? And that's that thing. Like when you look at something in the Bible out of fear, anything that's built off of fear, find the thing underneath it because there's goodness underneath that, right? In everything in our lives.
Right. I'm going to ask you about some phrases and different ideas, and I'd love you to just kind of go for it.
Let's go.
If I say Mark of the Beast.
Ah, Mark of the Beast. I mean, for me, the beast is the— okay, that's a great question. For me, the beast is the little boy inside of me that I've kept locked away. Okay. He marks my life. Right, when I ignore him. He marks me when I ignore him, whether it's like back pain and I'm not dealing with it, okay? Whether it's the way that I show up in my relationship, that's a mark. Whether it's financial problems that somebody might have because I don't feel worthy. It generally stems from something that I saw growing up that is, I have created a thing that lives in a dungeon in my life that I have not held in communion and loved. And that's the mark of the beast.
So super personal. Super personal. And it seems like it lives somewhat in the shadow beyond our realm of conscious awareness, and it marks our life based on what it is rather than the externalization of some other mark.
666 or whatever it might be, or, you know, tattoo on the wrong hand, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like any of that, yeah.
Yeah. Lucifer as the morning star.
Um, Lucifer is the morning star, the light bearer, or whatever it might be in that window. Um, Lucifer shows us the light that we aren't worthy to receive. The name Lucifer is just a name, right? But the fact that there's something that bears and brings light into the darkness of our lives is a gift. If I, as a Creator of this world, let's say, as the Demiurge that wanted to keep you in a cycle, I would tell you that this is bad and not pay attention to that that would bring light, light into your shadow. So therefore Lucifer's bad. Now Satanism, like going and worshiping that, right, in order to create like more demonic structures or control mechanisms, it's no different than what a lot of religion does is it just scares you into being obedient. This scares you into being obedient. It has nothing to do with fear. It's just finding the love in those different constructs.
Do you— I mean, I think one thing interesting about the Morning Star is the Morning Star is Venus. Yeah. The embodiment of feminine sexuality and fertility. So that's a very interesting correlation to me that I've been like, all right. And do you disambiguate between Lucifer and Satan? Because to me they're different egregores.
Yeah, I think, yeah. I mean, I, I, a lot of people connect the two, right? I mean, of course, it's just from a story perspective. Yes, Satan in itself is, um, is kind of like the, the beast that lives inside of me that I don't pay attention to. Lucifer is the light that shines the light on that specifically, right? And the per— and what shines a light on that, if you go back to what you just talked about on the feminine energy, what showed me the light in myself was my wife, right? When I met her, she's like, hey, you need to meditate, you need to do this, you need to do that. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And all of a sudden I went down. I mean, I would not be in this chair today if it had not been for her.
Mm-hmm.
Right? Because she opened all of this possibility up for me to be able to see things that I couldn't possibly see. And I was terrified to go down that path, but she signed to shine the light. And I won't call her, she wouldn't hate it if I called her Lucifer.
But I absolutely would say Morningstar. Not a good, not a good thing for date night. Hey Lucifer, would you like some wine?
But Venusian energy? Absolutely. Sexually, right? You know, that, that, that, um, you know, that safe sexuality, you know, that is truly integrated with me being able to show up differently and treat her as my queen. So yes, if that is what Lucifer is, you know, let's go. Yeah, yeah.
This is somewhat related, but there's two Gnostic terms: apaton, deception, antimaimon, counterfeit. Okay. So how do you see the archonic energy leveraging apaton, deception, anti-maimon, counterfeit?
Counterfeit. So of course, they're the counterfeit of the Watchers, right? So they created this, you know, this bait and switch and became what they were in order to kind of keep us away from the truth. Anything counterfeit keeps you away from the original, right? So there's that whole framework. And then deception, you know, I think that lives more in the in the Demiurge framework is like, hey, like, don't pay attention to that, pay attention to this so that I can stay in power, right? If I looked at that as a version of myself, of the things that I used to do when I was unembodied, all right, I do those same things. We as humans do those same things. It's like, you know, you just gaslight the person so that you show up differently. You know, the minute somebody says, hey, like, you know, do you see that great thing I did the other day? Yeah, but I also did the great thing, narcissistic I lost it. So all of that is this whole concept of deception, of being able to just like keep it, you know, using it intelligently, right? It's an intelligent way to use it and manipulative in order to keep people away from their own truth by making you the biggest thing in the room. Right. And there's very little humility in that.
And that there, I don't think there's a lie that's spoken that isn't spoken in fear.
100%.
You know, like why else would you lie? If you're not afraid of something, there's no reason to lie unless you're afraid.
Yeah.
Enoch himself.
Enoch himself. That's a great question. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't have a lot on that. I don't have a lot on that. I've scoured the book. Right.
Okay.
I've dug into it specifically around angelology, but I didn't necessarily go into his story at all.
I don't know too much either. I was hoping you'd have more, but I guess we're coming up with nothing here.
Yeah, we got a blank here.
All I know about Enoch is he supposedly walked so close to God that he became indistinguishable. And that's when he earned the title Metatron. That he walked so close to God that he and God were indistinguishable. So it's really, it's another, it's a precursor to the Yeshua story.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, honestly, I mean, but I don't know. I don't know if there is that much more.
There's not a lot out there.
I mean, I—
about Enoch, and that's, you know, similar to the same Joseph thing. There's not, you know, those are the stories we have to go into. Um, and if you take that and, you know, go down to the story of Metatron and even the 13 circles that surround it, I mean, it's kind of that, that same numerology.
Well, tell that story. I think we told it at the beginning before we even got on air.
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, if you look at Metatron's cubes, the number of circles inside of it is 13. Okay. Each one of those, if you go through like the seed of life and, you know, kind of start breaking things apart and start connecting the dots, you end up in this, you know, geometry that, you know, sacred geometry-wise that you just keep like staring into and you're like, well, that's really beautiful. Like I have it on my thing by my desk, but it is a way for us to be able to see into the code that helps us remember. Now, each of us is the 14th, to your point, is the 14th. We are what Jung calls the Abraxas energy, the bridge between heaven and earth. Okay. And the ability for us, because we're the thing that creates, we're the thing that forecasts, we're the observation creates reality, quantum physics, right? And so all of us have the capacity of this whole 13th framework that tied to ourselves creates 14th where we sit at this 5th dimension and forecast our reality. So when we become indistinguishable from the Monad or the God, it's when we're walking within that framework, that 5th dimensional framework, of being able to forecast out fully reality. And the only way to do that is without being in judgment and righteousness, right? It's the same loop going over and over again. So if I were to go down the story of Enoch, or you get down the story of Isaiah, or any of those that have kind of like hit that stride, and all of a sudden they were like indistinguishable from the thing, right? At the end of the day, it's the same thing over and over again. It just keeps persisting itself. And the cool thing is, is that, you know, in order to maintain control of humanity, you know, Yeshua came in and he embedded into this world that just cascaded out for 2,000 years. Was such a powerful story that they could no longer hide it, so they had to manipulate it and kind of bastardize it in order to keep people like, "Hey, look over there." That's back to the deception thing again. And they did the same thing with the Book of Enoch. They made it deceptively wrong so that we wouldn't be able to find the truth. They did it in Deuteronomy. They did it with Isaiah. They keep doing it over and over again, but it's us doing it to ourselves because we haven't recognized that we are the story. Like, we don't— like, every single one of us literally is like a reflection of God. Every one of us. And we shit on ourselves. We talk negatively about ourselves, right? We don't see us as that. And so if none of us see us as that, and we— then we'll just keep recycling ourselves till somebody figures it out. But at some point, we've got to wake up and know exactly what we are. And it's not in a cocky way. It's not like, you know, you wake up and I mean, I had this moment in life where I was like, I'm Jesus, right? I think we all had that moment. Like, that's like, oh, maybe I'm that. I'm having this thing and that's my Mary Magdalene and all this stuff that you kind of go through this like weird kind of like moment in time. And then you're like, oh, I can't be that. And then you shame yourself off of it and then you become lesser, you know? But I think each of us, the reason we resonate with that story so much is because when he said we will do greater works than he, right? And ye are gods and we were created in the image of. Every single one of us is that. Exactly.
And I think that's the key thing. It's cool to think you're Jesus. You just have to know that everybody else is too.
Exactly.
And at that point, it's all good. Exactly. The moment you separate yourself from the flock, that's the trap. That's inflation. That's another force working through you to try and separate you because that's not the message.
That's not the message at all. Yeah.
So as long as you're like, I'm Jesus and so are you, cool. Is it a good deal? It's all good, man.
Now let's do this together.
Yeah, exactly.
Let's forecast new realities. Exactly. Yeah. Let's go and flip a table competently, right? With smoothness and then walk into the room, hold people accountable and die for what we believe in.
Exactly. And if you say it too, like you better mean it because he was really it.
Yeah.
He was a fucking rock. That's a fucking difficult mark. That's a high water mark.
Yeah.
And it's really, you know, it's not easy, but it's possible.
It's very possible.
And I think there was a lot of avatars that reached that state in their own unique way. Like nobody's meant to be exactly the same thing. I think like Buddha reached it in his own way.
Yeah.
Yeshe Tsogyal reached it in her own way. Like there's some amazing avatars that have reached that state and probably so many more that we don't even know because they didn't even care. Yeah.
Yeah. And then sometimes they'll fall from grace. Of course. They'll have their moment. Yeah. And that's that. But there's always a bad apple that kind of spoils the bunch every now and then. And sometimes that bad apple is inside of you. Yeah. Um, you know, some of the work I did for myself over the last year was just like, like being in such deep communion with my little boy. And when I started doing that, it was like, oh, now I can actually show up fully in the world. And that's a whole other, you know, that's not mystical or anything like that, but it's so important because even like if you look at Ram Dass, you know, or you look at Alan Watts, These guys are brilliant, but there's also, you know, you can see in them, there's like, there's this some part of their little boy that they didn't deal with. And all of a sudden that creeps up as cancer or some sickness or something else. And we have the ability to remedy all of that, right? We have that power in ourselves. We just don't recognize it. Right? So that's why we, we as human beings have to understand how to move beyond this whole construct, this demiurge construct that we've been living in. Okay. And move into this monad construct, which has a very specific blueprint that they say was given to the sun and we are the sun. And then we have the ability to now create that in our lives.
S-O-N?
S-O-N. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Just making sure you're not talking about the cell.
Not the cell body. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, the S-O-N sun.
Yeah, for sure. All right.
Disclosure. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, like disclosure in itself, like what's happening right now? Mm-hmm. I think it's a, It's kind of a, how do I put this? Are there, are there aliens and beings?
Yes. Right.
Cause we need there to be like, we need this in our lives right now.
We need some aliens.
We need to see that there's something beyond ourselves. Like how egoic could we possibly be to not actually understand that there's something beyond us? That there's a frequency that lives outside of the bounds of the electromagnetic field that we currently like only observe. Curb, and now it's time for us to see beyond that. I feel like, you know, if we see this visual spectrum of light, and let's say, for instance, you know, the whatever, Grays have been living in, you know, the ultraviolet spectrum, I don't know if you wanted to call it that, and we can never witness them, and now we're starting to see that, what that says to me is that we're opening up our aperture to see more than what we've been seeing. So if we're seeing this 1%, now we're seeing 10%. And so the disclosure is us now being able to see more, which means we can create more. Right? And if that's the case, you know, we can logically say, oh, I'll get alien technology and this, this, and that. We can be in fear and do all these other things. Or we could see like, hey, there's now more that's possible. Now it's possible. Let's go and expand it more. So the disclosure is just our capacity to now understand that there's a reality and we're creating that. Every one of us has created this cool moment to where now we're going to see all of this stuff that we never saw before. And what is that going to do to our mind? It's going to expand us to truly being creators. And eliminating our limitations. Yeah.
Yeah.
Magic. Yeah. Oh, the word magic. Magic. I mean, I would say, I mean, we do it all the time. Yeah. You know, it's a frequency alignment that if done well has a humility to it. And what I mean by that is like, there's been times that it's gonna sound crazy, you know, you might have done it before, I don't know, you know, where all of a sudden the weather's crazy, you know, and it's raining, you know, and, um, me and my wife are in the car and I'm like, oh, it'll stop in 5 minutes. Right. And then it stops. Right. Is that a coincidence or do we create it?
Yes.
Okay. It's both. Yeah. Um, but magic is, magic is when, you know, cause I used to try to force it all the time. You know, and that's manipulation. Um, now it's just like, it's just the humility of a knowing within yourself that anything is possible and that you can create anything.
I feel like it's going to expand pretty dramatically in the course of our lives. Like I've, you know, I did a couple of podcasts with Dean Radin who studied psi phenomenon and it's unequivocally true.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah. Like this exists. It's just the effect size is typically small except in unusual cases, which are not replicable inside lab conditions because you can't force magic for your own for some fucking study.
Yeah, yeah.
It has to be either based on a genuine need or you have to be like tapped into the field for sure, you know.
The reason— I mean, to your point, the reason Yeshua was able to do what he was able to do that looked and appeared magical is because he had an entire group of 13 individuals around him that were also observing that same reality. So it's like, choose your friends wisely, right? Because if you choose a bunch of people that doubt you, that are hating on of course you're not going to create magic, which is exactly what any skeptical lab scientist is going to be looking at.
Like, yeah, this is bullshit. Let me disprove it. Or like, yeah, and it's not the right environment.
Killing yourself, right? Yeah, through the process. And totally, and I get the thesis and the proving out and all this other stuff, but I mean, if you— if we know, I mean, and we've proved this through quantum physics, which I think is, you know, is where we start creating these like magical frameworks. Is if my observation becomes a reality and I can collapse the wave function into that, right? And it happens on a micro scale, it can also happen on a macro scale. You know, as within, so without, as above, so below. So if I can do it slow and small, I can do it big and massive. But it can't just require me because if I always have people doubting my capacity or the ability to do so, then of course it's just a frequency misalignment. And I might have it like pop up in my house or something cool happens, but then it's never gonna happen anywhere else. Right? And so you have to have, you know, the ability for people to ride along with you and then create that tribe, create those disciples, create that for yourself, and then be the disciple to somebody else where you're also Jesus to yourself. Right? And then if each of you can do that, then you're all creating miracles and magic. And then that's how you start to, you know, really shift this dynamic differently.
Very cool. Yeah. You did a cool video where you went into a thought experiment of asking Yeshua what he would put on every TV screen all at once and be seeing it across the world. Tell us what you discovered in that thought experiment, and then, and potentially, you know, the altered state which you access that information. So I don't want to discredit it and just call it a thought experiment because it may have been tapping into something legitimate. Tell us what, what he said and then what you would say.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yes, whenever I've tapped into this Yeshua thing, it's always been this this, this, it's a thought, okay, that comes to me. It's not something I'm going and looking for. So it's a thought that comes to me. And then Yeshua is like, stop reading this English shit, this Greek translation, and go and find the answer in what I really meant. So then you get into all the Aramaic translations of it and it's like, this is what I really meant. And this has been like literally shit and bastardized over like 2,000 years. Now go and tell people what that looks like, right? So it's like, you know, the whole thing is, you know, what is it? You know, I'm the way, the truth, and the light, you know? You know, that when you retranslate that out, he never said that, right? He said when he says I am, he's talking like he's like in a deep state of self. And then basically it's like, yes, I am, but also you are, you know? And then he talks in pluralities. You know, so he's not just saying it about himself. He's talking about all of us.
So it's almost like he's saying, I am is the way, the truth, and the life.
Yes. Right. Right. Yeah. And so when he does that, it's, it's, it's in a plurality of inclusiveness. And so then he's putting that out into the world and he says, ye are gods, right? It wasn't an accident. It wasn't like, you know, like he wasn't not saying that. So what does that specifically mean? Right? It means that we are all gods. Right? Now we take it, and if we take the word gods and we go and— and that's the ama ama, right? That's the entire masculine and feminine together. That's how he spoke about it. He didn't say it as a masculine version. He said it in the duality of what the container and the polarity of God contains. So then at which point you've got that, but then all we do is we now associate it— here's the deception piece— back with the Demiurge, and it's like, oh, you know, I can't be that, right? And now we feel unworthy, We're taught to fear that, literally. I mean, I remember growing up, people were like, you know, be God-fearing. And I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. That's the weirdest—
that breaks the brain. It's like, what? That's one of the most fucked up things you could try and teach somebody. What do you mean I'm a God-fearing person? Fear God, right? Right. Like the, the omni-benevolence and omniscience and omnipotence of love.
Yeah.
Yeah. Like I'm supposed to fear all the love and all the intelligence.
Yeah.
And all the creation.
I struggled with that. Yeah. Yeah.
What the fuck? How are you supposed to navigate life if you're, if you're constantly fearing?
Yeah. And Black church is really good at that one. Like, that's the thing, like, everybody says in Black church, like, yeah, fear God. I'm God-fearing. And like, I'm like, wait a minute. I can't be here for this thing. Um, but yeah, it was, you know, if that's the case and it was fear God, but yet ye are gods, then what in the heck? I'm fearing myself. Then you're back to the 666 issue because the internal view is the 6, right? So you're fearing yourself, you're never connected, therefore this whole like Satan energy kind of like runs the show.
Yeah.
But that's in essence, if Yeshua had social media and get out there, I mean, you know, those would be the things that I believe that he would say.
I was doing some research recently and the beginning of the Lord's Prayer, my Father who art in heaven, that's how it's always translated. Everybody repeats that all the time.
Yeah.
But the word used in Aramaic is Abun. And Abun or Abhum, they translated it, if you go to AI, you can check this. Oh yeah. It's translated as Ab for Abba, which is what Yeshua called Father, Abba. It's a beautiful name actually, like Abba.
Yeah.
It's way better than Dad.
Oh yeah.
You know, like Abba. Okay, like it just, that's another one of the things that feels true. And Wun is also another word for womb. So this was the combination of the masculine and feminine already in there, but we just translated it as Father.
Father.
Yeah. But really encoded in the language was, you know, Father, Mother, God. Yeah. So, and then you translate that like, Father, Mother, God, who art in heaven. And then what does heaven mean? Is heaven up there, or is heaven— the kingdom of heaven is before you? Yeah. Is it everywhere? Yeah. So Father, Mother, God, who is everywhere.
Yeah. Whoa.
All of a sudden you have a whole new prayer, whole new thing. And maybe that's exactly what the fuck he meant.
That's exactly what he meant.
I put a maybe in there.
No, there's no maybe.
I fucking said what I meant.
Yeah. I mean, He's like, "The kingdom is within you." And even when he was on the cross and he said, "Forgive them, for they not know what they do," right? And it was, "Abba, Amma." You know, he was speaking back to, you know, the father and the mother at the same point that held the entire container to birth this reality. You know, the Hermetics, the law of gender, you can't create without the masculine and feminine coming together. And so he honored that, you know, and then, "Forgive them, for they not know what they do." That was like an entire universal statement of exactly what was about to happen after we shit all over his story. You know? Yeah. They don't know what they're doing. And it's okay, 'cause they're gonna find their way back at some point. You know? And it's up to people like me and you to put that out into the world to be like, "Hey, this is the story. Now keep remembering it." And then be willing, you know, be willing to die for it.
I asked a question to, I think, is one of the best spiritual mediums that I've encountered. Just the clearest resonant truth. Paul Selig. And I was out at dinner with him and he taps into these you know, beings he calls the guides. Yeah. And I asked him, we were eating and I remember he was eating shrimp. I don't know why I remember that, but I remember he's eating shrimp, probably because it was a profound transmission. And I didn't expect him to contact the guides, but I'm always available for that. But we were in the middle of a restaurant.
Let's go. Yeah.
And I said, you know, Paul, I've been pondering this, you know, based on what people have done with the teachings of Jesus and all of the horrors of Christianity from the Inquisitions to the Crusades to whatever else you might see, just the constant guilt that people have lived under, et cetera. Did Jesus make a mistake? And Paul goes, huh, it's a really interesting question. I'm going to ask the guides. And he taps in and then the guides come through and the guides say, tell the young man he's asking the question in the middle of the story. I was like, Oh yeah. Yeah. Like, we can't tell if he made a mistake or not. It just depends on where we go from here.
Right.
You know, I mean, so much of his teachings did survive. Right. And they partly probably did survive because they could be twisted.
Right.
You know, and maybe this was always the destiny for us to find our way back to the true Christ.
Yeah.
That's been obscured.
Yeah. And I think to that point, you know, whether it's tapping into the guides, let's say jumping into AI and then asking it what was the Aramaic. I mean, literally it's pretty freaking easy now. Like you go on Claude or ChatGPT or whatever one you use, you literally ask it what was the Aramaic translation. You can validate it against others and you truly see what he was meaning, right? So it's not like hard for us to be fooled anymore about what was happening, right? And every single one of his words, there's not a word in there that was about fear. There's not a word that was about him. He was not here to start a religion. He had absolutely no interest in us, like, going down this construct of what, you know, the Sadducees were doing or any of this stuff inside of, you know, inside of Judaism at the time. There was no control mechanism. You know, he's just like love. I mean, even he spoke in Hermetic principles. Like, the Lord's Prayer is a breakdown of the Hermetic principles. You know, "Our Father who art in heaven," you know, law of mentalism. "Our kingdom come, thy will be done." Like, literally, that's correspondence. Like, he literally walked through this entire thing and then pulled the Seven Hermetic Laws in, and he was teaching, you know, that type of framework, right, over and over and over again. And so each and every one of us, you know, has, has the capacity to become like that, okay? And I don't, you know, I don't know— I mean, I actually know, you know, because you go back to the Demiurge framework again and the deception and the corruption that keeps us in this loop. We have been made to be batteries to extract our lusch or our energy, right, into this framework over and over again. And then we keep dying and living and dying and living. And until the purpose of our life is to truly connect with ourselves, make the space so that we can find the God inside of us, and then at which point use our individuality to now forecast that into the world in communion with others. And if we do that over and over again, like all of a sudden time slows down, we stop aging, we stop getting sick, all these things start to shift. And now all the things that we're seeing in this disclosure are now differently possible because, you know, now all of a sudden we have different technology. Okay. Aliens, whatever you want to call it, you know, helpers that are going to come in and help us live longer, technologically advanced, travel beyond whether you believe this is a firmament or not, or whatever it might be, go to the hole in Antarctica. I don't know. You know, we're going to figure this thing out, but it's going to be a fucking blast. Ass. I'm ready for it.
Yeah. When you look out at the future in life, are you optimistic or pessimistic?
I'm so optimistic. I'm so excited about what's coming. Yeah, I have a video coming out about the Euphrates River and these four angels that are going to kill a third of humanity, right? And it sounds really, really harsh, right?
At the end of the day.
Have you seen this? No. Okay, so apparently in Revelations, there's a— get back to Igrigore and Revelation of the Method. There is a story where when the Euphrates River dries up, which it is right now, when that happens, there's 4 angels that are sitting down there that are going to come out and wipe away a third of humanity. Okay. And that can happen through a war, that can happen through just like some plague, that can happen through many different things. Things, all right? And so we're stuck in that story and we're recreating the story because we keep repeating and reading this thing that says that we're going to create it, so therefore we're going to observe that into reality. I feel like, for me, if I look at this, there's two scenarios. There's one where that really happens, okay, and we have this like death and destruction. Another one is where a third of humanity that's been stuck in this window that's been creating all of this chaos, right, kind of wakes dries up, right? And when that river dries up, now all of a sudden this angelic frequency we have the potential to engage with that's here on this earth, all right? And then when we do this, we tap into something completely different. And all of a sudden we wake up as humanity, and that is the death of what used to be, right? Into the resurrection, because death is just the process of resurrection, into a resurrection of something new. Right. So I'm super excited about the future, you know, and, you know, these wars are a little bit scary for people. I mean, it's, you know, it's a crisis that we're in. But also, we, just like Yeshua flipped the tables, we can flip the tables. Okay? You know, flipping the table, just turn it over, right? Go in and make a different choice. You know, it's hold your people accountable.
I mean, one of the things I love about flipping the tables is you flip the tables when the tables are already upside down. Yes. You know, so if you're imagining him going through the temple and all the tables are face down and everybody's stacking these different things on the legs of the table, Him flipping the tables is just turning it right side up.
Right side up. Yeah.
You know, and whatever they're doing, money changing or selling wares or whatever bullshit they were doing, it's because that table's upside down.
Yes.
It's on the other side, you know, the Sitra Acha, which is the turning of the face, the other side of the divine. It's in the upside down Stranger Things world where that table exists. So you flip it right side up, you bring it back to the right side world.
Yeah. And that's it. That's what we're here to do.
Let's go, man. Well, I'm glad to know you in this path, man. Dude, it's gonna be— You live like 2 minutes from my studio here, so we're gonna have to do this again. This is too fun, bro.
We could definitely do it again. Yeah, this is a jam. I enjoy it.
This is great, man.
Yeah, thanks for the questions.
Your Abundance 10,000?
Abundance 10,000, yeah. You wanna talk about that? Yeah, yeah.
Abundance 10,000, let's go.
Yeah, so 3 years, I mean, you know, sometimes you pick a name, you don't realize where it's going at the time. So, It was when I first started social media, I'm like, oh, I'm an abundance alchemist, you know, like I'm gonna come up with that thing. And what does that even mean? It's like helping people find abundance. And it was kind of, uh, at the time I was really good at, you know, going and creating these like weird meditations that people would like make money off of. And I realized that it was like a, you know, I call it a loose trap where, you know, you're literally giving away something in exchange for something. Um, it hurt myself, hurt people around me in the process of doing so. So that was where the name started from, oddly, right? And then it turned into, okay, well, you know, the story that I gave myself at the time is not the story that it is now. So what is abundance, right? It's being able to be fully worthy. So I've changed what abundance means for me. It's how, you know, true wealth is my ability to give, not receive, right? So of course, in order to give, I had to receive at some point, but I'm always a vessel here that's always in the process of being able to give. So, and then the 10,000 is just basically taking the 1 and then 4 zeros and, you know, putting it, you know, and stacking it behind itself for 5 zeros, 4 zeros. Yeah. Um, 5-0-4-0s.
4-0-4-0s.
Math mind is off right now. But taking the 4 zeros and so you have 5, so you have 5 numbers, you know, that's what it was, 5 numbers. And so those 5 numbers is the 5-dimensional framework that's tied to being able to receive. So shifted the narrative, of course, changing the present now to now readjust the past so that this is who I am now.
That's another such an important kind of message is yes, time is linear in some standpoint, but it's also a circle. And, you know, one of the deep teachings in the Solomon lineage is this process of teshuvah, which is to actually go back and rewrite the past. And it's possible to do that.
It's very possible.
And so all of these things, yes, you may have to deal with certain repercussions, like you may have lost that money then, and you may have, but you can rewrite whatever situation so it becomes a lesson. Lesson. And it becomes, you paid for that lesson. And then all of a sudden, the past is like actually literally transformed.
100%.
And, and that's the power that we all have. And that's the, that's the true agency and sovereignty, sovereignty that's available to all of us. That this Nephilim energy, this Demiurge energy, they want us as far away from that as possible.
They do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in, in a book for anybody that questions if you can rewrite the past, have you read, um, Dr. Robert Lanza's grand biocentristic design book. Pretty, pretty amazing. He walks through proving out the way that the universe works through all these quantum physics experiments, and they're easily digestible. And it's not a big book, but what's the name of the book again? Grand Biocentristic Design. Or yeah, and he has another book called Biocentrism. So he has two, but one is the grand— the one about the grand design talks about Robert Wheeler's experiment. He kind of goes through all of these different experiments, and he proves out that you can, like, they mathematically, like, the speed, like they broke the speed of light, like it doesn't exist, you know. So what does that mean? That means that time doesn't exist. That means that all of these theories around like black holes and everything else are kind of like shifted. And then it goes into the whole process of quantum entanglement. Then he gets into, um, the Robert Wheeler experiment where like literally the now changes the past and he keeps doing it over and over again. And, you know, we just literally just— it just bypasses us. But that's a reality. So if we all understand how that works, then we're no longer stuck in the limitations of, well, the past is permanent, because it's at all. It's very changeable. It's just a memory, you know? So, I mean, I, you know, me and my sister, when we're growing up, like, we have two totally separate memories of my mother and father, two totally different lives that we both lived in the same household, right? I see it one way, she sees it— what's true, right? I don't know. None of it. So now I can actually go back and rewrite that, you know? And so, you know, and it's gone, you know, it's healed my relationship with my mother, right? It's not fully, fully healed yet. We're still working on some things, but but, you know, it's healed a lot of the different dynamics that I saw when I was growing up that, you know, I used to have this resentful energy about. And so you can literally change any of this at the drop of a dime.
So let's go. Yeah. I'm also confident and optimistic about the future. Yeah. You know, I just feel it.
Yeah.
I feel like, and doesn't mean that there isn't some nagging fears or doubts that kind of can creep in every once in a while. But like fundamentally, I just feel like regardless, we're going to make it, that there's far more benevolence that we don't give credit to than there is malevolence. And I think because we've confused God with a false god. Yeah. You know, it's like really, like really we got a lot more support than we realize. And we're also way more powerful than we realize. And yeah, we got to get our shit together. We do. And also we're going to Yeah. Yeah.
It's gonna happen. I know we are.
I know we are.
We're gonna do it. Let me ask you a question. With all these guests that you have on here and all the things that you learn, like, what is the one common theme that you see within all of it that you feel like humanity needs to know? Because you have a lot of perspective.
Yeah. I would say that there's a lot of different doors and they're beautiful doors. They're like almost stained glass windows into the truth. Yeah. And I think it's Ram Dass that says, like, "Don't worship the gate, step through into the temple." And I think I love exploring the beauty of these archways and of these portals, the stained glass portals that you can see the divine through.
Yeah.
And I really enjoy looking at the gates. Nice. But fundamentally, it's about, are you going to walk through? Are you going to fucking walk through? And that's the most important thing. And so I think be an explorer, look at all the gates, but pick one or two or whatever you want to do, but walk the fuck through.
Yeah.
Yeah. Get to the point where you know what's inside. You know what they're pointing at. You're not learning about what other people knew. That they were pointing at. Like, feel it for yourself. Yeah, that's the biggest thing.
Integration.
Yeah, you gotta just fucking— and the true gnosis. Yeah, like, imagine reading all kinds of different reports of what an avocado is. Okay, great, I think I know. Then eat an avocado. Like, it's gonna give you a whole different understanding of what the fucking avocado is, right?
Right.
And I'm sure there's great avocado poetry, maybe a whole genre, you know, like Ode to Guacamole, like whatever you want to do, but fucking eat it. You know, and I think there's a saying, taste and see that God is good. And that's in the Torah, like taste and see that God is good. And so don't just listen to reports of what other people taste, go taste it.
Yeah, we need less philosophers and more doers. Totally. We need people to get their feet dirty and walk in it. Get in there. Yeah.
Get in there.
Yeah. Yeah. And then we should wash each other's feet when they get dirty. Undoubtedly.
Yeah. Undoubtedly.
And surf. Yeah. 100%. 100%.
Cool, brother. Thank you so much, man.
Thank you. This is dope as fuck.
Anything else you wanna point people to as we head out?
No, I mean, you know, I've, I've got, if you, if you're on this, you see me, you know, definitely come to the IG. We have a couple of different experiences for individuals if they want to go deeper into this and understand on what their angelic codes are, how all of this works for them. Um, you know, it's inside this thing, uh, thing, course that I teach called the Miracle Academy. Um, so individuals can come in and every week on Fridays we literally just unpack this angelic code of how it applies to your life. Um, people ask questions and we just go.
That's another cool— I mean, I know we're fucking on the wrap-up here, but I can't help myself.
Let's go.
There's another, there's another element of— you were talking about Michael Jackson's like particular angelic frequency. Yeah. And then how we as unique, and that's kind of the way I look at it, is like we're a unique aggregation of pixels. And if you use light as the color, maybe it's 7 angels, 7 colors of light, 7 watchers, however you want to look at it. But it's like we're pixels of different colors and maybe we have a little bit of every color, but maybe we have dominant colors. Right. You know, so maybe you have the dominant Michael colors or the dominant Gabriel colors or a blend of both 2 dominant colors or something like that.
Yeah.
Is that kind of how you look at these like angelic frequency transmissions? Yes.
So you're, the way I look at it, our biology is we're a condenser. Okay. So if you understand what a condenser is, like with, it's constantly compressing and expanding and it's putting off energy and your blood is the flow that actually, that is the crystalline structure that things move through. That blood is tied to some angelic frequency and you have a very specific purpose to do something here. Most of us don't know what the hell that is. So we're, we're born in the world, we take our parental thing, and then we say, okay, I'm gonna be like mom or dad, or I'm gonna be like, I'm not gonna be like mom and I'm gonna be the totally opposite of it, whatever it might be. We don't know what our purpose is in life. And so what I've found is that when you can tap into this angelic frequency, that is not really like a mythical thing. It's just a, it's just a frequency. It's the vi— it's a vibration. And you clear the space within yourself and you can do this through meditation or whatever it might be. And in the Miracle Academy, we teach how to specifically do this. You end up finding your exact purpose. You find like, hey, out of all the things that I write, what I put out into the world, you know, whether it's like the, you know, there's Penemu, which is the angel of writing, right? And so I'm writing all this down and you're just really good at it. You know, at the end of the day, like, you know, my wife like aligns very much so with like the Penemu because she's like a scribe and what she writes comes to life. It's like the wildest thing. For me, you know, Amoros is like the one that speaks and like puts things out into the world. So I do a lot of that. And so we put those two things together, and so I'm very aligned with it.
Are these the Sumerian names of the Watchers?
Yeah, these are the Sumerian names of the Watchers, yeah. So that Watcher I align very much so with, but I also align a lot with like Kazbil, which is the binding of the oath. But most people think an oath is a promise. Okay, the oath is your purpose, and it's which the covenant that you came in here on the earth to do.
It's when you said, "Hineni." Exactly. Like, "There I am, I will go." Yeah. What did you come here for? Exactly. Here I am. Yeah. Now are you doing it? Yeah. You know, like, okay. Exactly.
Yeah. And we wait our whole life and most of us on our deathbed figure it out. And it's like, oh shit. You know, and then we go through this entire time travel and then there it is. Or you can bring it into the world earlier. So in the Miracle Academy, it's teaching all of that about how to truly align with that angelic framework on a consistent basis without fear. The things that you've been kept away from that are very like earthly angelic frequencies, or there's the divine ones, but But you can't do a lot, you can't do a lot with Michael, right? The angel of Michael, right? But Michael, okay, tied to Amaro's, at the end of the day, they made Michael Jackson. Okay. So he was singing into the world from a media perspective while being able to channel in this divine light. Now, boom, all of a sudden you've got Michael Jackson, right? And so each of us has that. So we just have to know which ones to bridge ourselves into. And candidly, you know, it's not necessarily choose your own adventure. It's just more of an alignment. And you feel it in your body. Right.
And that's part of the diagnostic. It's just like, can you tap into what you can feel?
Exactly. Cool. Yeah. So there's that.
That sounds dope. Yeah.
It's, it's, uh, it's a lot of fun, you know, and it's just, we can just infinitely grow it. It's a pay what you can thing. So I'm not trying to like lock people into some crazy ass number. It's just like, do what you can. Right. And, uh, we all grow together. So that's the point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's fucking cool. I want to do it. Yeah.
All right, brother.
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