Unlocking Human Potential: Spiritual Growth & Modern Innovation - Sean Clayton - Think Tank E52

The ultimate sophistication, right, is simplicity. And I think you've become a master at how to portray some of that work so simplistically.

And so the use case for blockchain should be less about the currency and creating crypto and more about information exchange and placing anything on a ledger that allows you to understand the truth inside of it, the intention inside of it. But what I did start to see is that this is, this is such the divine creating a beautiful opportunity for us to have a new standard of currency that's built on energy. My son had just been born. He was like 8 months old. I'm changing his diaper at 6am in the morning, knock on the door. It was the federal government. They came in handcuffed me.

How long were you in prison for?

It was a 46 month sentence.

Sean Clayton, what a pleasure to have you here with me on the think tank. I've been following your work on social media. You make some outstanding content. And it was just this morning that I saw one of your posts about this convergence of blockchain AI, you know, and of course all that wraps around that which is like personal sovereignty and everything. And I was like, whoa, this is like exactly what I've been seeing as well. And so then I forward you this paper that I wrote which was presenting a new theory of everything, which was basically written in academic style, which was talking about the convergence of all of these things and how what we're living and what we're experiencing right now is really mimicking the structure and the context and the reason for being the raison d' etre of the universe itself, so that we can learn the complexities of emotional states and in particular how to love and how to be loved. And it's literally a blockchain AI social simulation through relationships that gets node validation of all these immutable experiences, which perception of their immutability actually leads to different emotional states based on our own conditioning biases and our own, you know, sort of self narratives that we have. So you can have the same thing happening to people and have two entirely different experiences. And, and the one derives joy from this because it divides itself into the many so that it can perceive itself through our unique eyes of perception.

Yes.

Which is super beautiful. It's like, wow. And so then I sent you that this morning. We're like, dude, I think we're getting the same downloads. So tell me how you came to this stuff too. And what in the heck? How is it possible that we both get the same kind of Information. And by the way, I just said this to you just now. I don't own any. I don't feel like I own any of this type of information because it's. It's not mine to begin with. It's just a radio frequency that I tuned into somehow that you appeared to have tuned into as well.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, one honored to be here. Thank you. And love your content, too. And the. This when, when you're riding the wave, you just start merging with the harmony of the divine, right? And that harmony is inside of us. We have to find the deepening itself in order to get there. And so then you've, you know, they call it finding the others, right? Since some people tell me you got to go find the others. And I'm like, you know, you get that whisper, and when you find the others, when you start having the same conversation. And we as human beings, what I recognize is that these words we use are so fallible because they don't show the intention of what we really mean to say. Right? Which is beyond words. And so what I. What I. What came to me, this happened. It started coming. I. When I look at Matt, you know, I call back, test the universe. About three years ago, I was at this blockchain conference, consensus conference, and I got on stage and I saw this one was in. This was in Jackson Hole.

Jackson Hole, Okay.

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a wintertime one. So I went as consensus mesh at the time and went to that one. So I went up there and I had a speaking gig and started talking about if they would have put the blockchain, the Bible on blockchain, what we would know right now that we don't know, right? Any of this religious text on blockchain, right? What we would know. And so the use case for blockchain should be less about the currency and creating crypto and more about information exchange and placing anything on a ledger that allows you to understand the truth inside of it, the intention inside of it. And then if it changes, it changes, right? But then you know why it changed and you know where it went, then you can go back that you don't have to guess. And what that did for me at that moment in time was understand that this is how you start folding and bending time because you don't have to go backward to understand the intention. You see it in the present moment, and you're not seeking for an understanding of the past in order to understand, to order to predict the future. You can constantly surrender into the now because you're not living in some sympathetic nervous system response of trying to figure out what happened yesterday. So that's where it started. And then it was about, about a week and a half ago I start. Well then a year ago I had this thing called the Signs of Abundance deal at my house where it was about AI blockchain coming together and what that would mean. Because AI, if you go into it, it goes a little bit nuts. It'll just say what it wants to say. So it needs to have a governance protocol that sits inside of it. Right. And how would you build that governance protocol as you build it? With a smart contract that you literally place on a ledger that gives it bounds and rules and agreements. Right. So that it can do its thing without losing its mind. Right. And that would just be like, you know, the way to build it in. And then it was like, okay, well now this whole thing around quantum computing is coming along. And this came in the last couple of weeks where I was watching a bunch of stuff around quantum computing. And essentially one of the things they did at Google, a buddy of mine works there and he was showing me some of the stuff about qubits and they've been, you know, they have the tensor algorithm that they use right now and they've moved past that. I think it's called Qubits. I have to send you the paper on it. Can you send me the white paper on it? And he was like showing the amount of computations that a quantum computing could do in order to find the truth and all of the errors that could possibly exist. And it could do billions of years of work in hours that a tensor algorithm or a normal machine learning tool could be. So it's like, okay, well if this is the case now you're really starting to collapse time and you're starting to move in this window of quantum entanglement based on putting something on a ledger that's associated with the intention of the origination of source. And therefore we don't have to repeat the stories anymore.

Right.

And then all the quest after ancient knowledge in order for us to decrypt this in some regard where those of us, when we go super deep within ourselves, we see the truth in the tree of life, we see the truth in the flower of life, we see the truth in all of it, how it's all interconnected.

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Yeah, and as I've gone on this journey, all of that stuff has started to merge. And I can see that, oh, here's how astrology works, but the seven hermetic principles, but this, this and that, everything else, like, you see how it all connects. And I'm like, it started to blow my mind. And if you can map your way into it, like, oh, all this actually fits. Because I remember for the longest time I didn't get why the Tree of Life existed and all these other circular objects. And I'm like, oh, I get it now, right? But it took a bunch of soul seeking within myself for me to find the truth. And there was no book out there that was explaining it to me ever, right? There's nothing that puts it together. So then my thing was is we need to build this thing and this is where the future is going. And now everybody's pissed off. Well, not Everybody. At least 40, 40 some percent of the country's pissed off about the election. And I'm not going to get into politics. But what I did start to see is that this is, this is such the divine creating a beautiful opportunity for us to have a new standard of currency that's built on energy. And you've got bitcoin that's just been kind of rising up over time, that's going to sit here and be the new gold standard. And you're going to have these mega oligarchs that are going to be stacked with bitcoin, that are going to be worth, I mean, when bitcoin hits half a million or a million dollars a coin, because it will, what are you going to do with it, right? And then you have to create some gas token that rolls off the top of that. So then you can create a distribution that derives off of gold that is actually associated with it, which what the gold standard was should have been, that now is going to be the bitcoin standard. But then Those that hold it, if they don't move that currency, are going to, I hate the word, use word like this, but be punished. Because what quantum computing is going to do is look at the intention of each individual and then go in and say, okay, these individuals are now hoarding wealth and they're not just distributing it out to the masses. But that distribution shouldn't be what the socialist distribution construct is right now. The distribution will be, not even should, will be one that's based on heart resonance and the electromagnetic field that we'll be able to pick up on. And what Apple's doing a good job of is constructing wearables that are going to be able to pick up on these signals, neuro signals, heart signals, intention signals, so that you're in truth or not in truth, you will have some kind of mechanical way, some real scientific way to understand where to put that on a ledger that gets rewarded by the gas token. The cost to actually run this quantum computing is going to be a derivative off of the gas associated with the Bitcoin.

Right.

And this is how this whole thing starts to work. I was like, this is crazy. And then I wrote a whole paper on it and then here we are.

Yeah, it's definitely, it's fascinating. It's a fascinating time to be alive. Because. No, all these things that we're looking at and thinking of relates to energy is also predicated on our perception of time.

Yep.

And. And time is based on the speed of light. So the speed of light, you could argue, is actually the speed of our perception.

Yep.

So therefore, the speed of light is referencing a volumetric standard of how long it takes, how much time? Volume.

Right.

That's another volume standard it takes for the rendering to occur, which is also a function of energy, because E equals MC squared. Right. And when we go into the next dimension, experience, because I believe we're dimensionally limited avatars, the next dimensional experience takes us up to C squared. So it's no longer the speed of light, it's actually C squared. We can actually exceed the speed of light quite dramatically, and therefore time will be perceivable backwards.

Yep, yep. Right.

Remember in the Superman movie when he could go around the Earth faster than the speed of light, then he could turn the Earth backwards. Yeah, Same kind of concept. If you're able to exceed the speed of light in your perception, you will go backwards in time 100%.

You remember, do you remember Max Laughlin, that kid that. Do you remember him? He was a kid, he started talking about alpha null and different Alpha null sets associated with different.

Yeah, yes, yes, that's right.

Yeah. And then the kid disappeared and he came back and he didn't talk about anything.

Yeah, yeah, totally.

It's like such an interesting thing. And kind of what you're talking about is that C squared is another alpha null set. And for listeners that I know what alpha null and alpha sets are, it's this infinite set. We live in an infinite set that's a dimension and it can go infinitely deep, infinitely high. And we've rendered a construct around that currently. Right. And that construct that we've rendered has certain limitations and certain rules that's based on certain laws. And once you understand how to work within those laws, then you can actually move beyond that set to another alpha null or to another infinite set. And then that new infinite set is where we're moving to, which is why what I call the Mandela effect. These things split because there's two potentials. And then these waves are converging and when they converge, it's like, oh, they hit. And now you've got Berenstein Bears and Bernstein bears, right?

Yeah, yeah, totally.

The monopoly with the monocle, or. Not the monocle, you know, you've got all this stuff. I can't believe I had that on my desk. But.

It'S a random thing like the monocle for the Monopoly guy you have on your desk, is that where it's been disappeared? Right, exactly. You solved the problem.

Exactly. But it all converges, right? And, and now it's converging. And then what will happen is, is that those of us. What I feel by the year 2030 is those of us that understand how this game is going to be played. It's not going to be like a New Earth thing. I mean, we can talk about it like that, but more of an evolved or an emerged Earth where we start moving into that new infinite set and it looks and feels different and we move beyond the whole construct of space and time to a space into a concept of frequency and energy. And to your point, we're not playing the game of where I use my senses, which would be my understanding of speed of light, in order to derive my reality. I'm using my heart and what's inside of me, the depth of myself, in order to create my reality. And it's more of a creation orchestration, less manifestation. Let's let me try to play with the Matrix and get it to work. And it's a true surrendered. And then just like you and I are picking up on the same signals, we Are we are telepathically communicating, right? That's all that happened. And boom, we just like. It all comes up. And even like a. The person hit me up today and she's like, oh, Robert Grant introduced me to your work. And then you hit me up in the next minute. It's all this. The synchronicities are not a game to be played. It's a true orchestration of creation of how well you can play the symphony of self, which then plays the symphony of your life.

It's beautiful, man. It's so beautiful. It's like when it all starts coming together. And so it's like the reason why I've reposted your content is because it's so simplistic and it resonates with me. And that's exactly how I was already feeling as well. And so I want other people to see it. I want other people to interact with it. I want them to get the same resonance out of it that I got out of it. And I would never. I would never promote somebody. I mean, sometimes I just do funny stuff, you know, it's like every once in a while, I can't be freaking serious all the time, you know, it's like I have to do funny stuff every once in a while. Or it could be like baby animals.

Or something like that.

I have no idea sometimes what basically possesses me to post what I post. But I can tell you this, your content deeply resonates with me. Like, I've known all the stuff you post on is stuff that I've already kind of known as well, but it. It's so beautifully put together. It's like, you know, the ultimate sophistication, right, is simplicity. And I think you've become a master at how to portray some of that work so simplistically. And I think we could all learn something dramatic by being able to really force yourself to go and carve and carve and carving and whittle and whittle and whittle. It's like chop wood, carry water to constantly get better and better and better at a simplified message.

Yeah. Oh, bless you, bro. I mean, that was the. When I first started, I think my first video was like nine minutes. It was way too long, and I couldn't explain anything.

And I was just thinking, well, it had to be nine because that's the number of completions. So you probably had it as nine for a reason.

Of course. Back testing self. Yes, 100%. But, yeah, it was so long when I first did the first one. And it Was. It was. And I. And I was. It became a challenge. And even my. My editor guys would be like, what the hell are you doing? I can't. Instagram's not going to pick up on this. And then you just get it out and then it starts to flow and you just trust the process. And I remember for the longest time, I was. I was so afraid of what I was putting out there because I never wanted to be on ig. I mean, I got on there two years ago, less than two years ago. I never wanted to be on it, never wanted to put anything out there. Didn't want to be anybody talking about this stuff. And then for a minute, it was about me. And I was like, let me chase the numbers. And then, you know, everybody goes through that. Right. And then it was like, well, I. It's not about that. It's just about, can I impact one person that can truly get this and then get feedback from those that hate it, and then take that feedback and do something with it and then turn back around and then just continue to get better. And it's a beautiful thing when you leverage the illusion as a recognition of yourself.

Wait, When's your birthday?

May 31st.

I. Yeah, I knew it was going to be May. I knew it was going to be May. So you're basically in the Vedic, you're a Taurus.

Yeah.

Yep. So once you know your north node, you'll be a Taurus. You're going to move from Gemini to Taurus.

Interesting.

And do you know what your north node is?

No, I can look it up.

Yeah. So this is going to be like. See, we're just actually going to do a reading on you right now. I'm just kidding. But like, you're. Once you become aware of your north node.

Yeah.

Then you're going to move your. Your very analytical and analytically minded brain, which is Gemini. Gemini is very much that, into Taurus. So you're going to move into Taurus, which is a beautiful thing. You know it. Once you become aware of north node, you move into the Vedic, or sidereal.

Yeah.

And that becomes true for your procession of equinox, but your precession of Equinox moves in the opposite direction. So you start off in sidereal and then you go to Tropical. So the two are offset against each other.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The two are offset against each other. So why is this important? Well, first of all, everything you were just saying again, just freaking resonates like hell for me. Right. And because. And I'm. I'm. I'M both Taurus in Tropical and in Vedic.

Oh, wow. Okay.

Yeah. So this whole idea of how information comes to you and how you basically can synthesize it, because also I have a lot of Gemini in me. My Gemini is. I'm a Gemini moon becomes a Taurus moon in Vedic.

Okay.

And. And also I'm a Mercury. My Mercury's in Gemini. So I have a lot of Gemini in me right now. But all my Gemini is basically getting transmuted to Taurus now with Vedic shift.

Okay.

So you're also going through something similar that way. And. And how old are you now?

45.

45. Ooh, bro. Yeah, that's the age. 45 is the age, man.

Yeah.

That was the age that I went through. Like, oh, man. That was the. That's when I went through my big spiritual awakening.

Yeah.

And I had like a huge crisis that year. It was like a mat. Like, like an existential crisis of my whole life. It happened that year. So it was 20. 2016.

2015.

2016 is when it happened to me. So these things that you're talking about. Right. And how you can share this information with the world, it only becomes something fundamental like this when you have the intention that you just said to me, which is identical to the one that I had, which is if only one person benefited by what I posted, then it's worth it.

Yeah.

And I literally live by that. And people ask me all the time, how did you grow such a big social media following? Everything. That's how. Because my intention was just to be authentic. I felt like I was posting this content for me as much as it was for anybody else, because I felt like, you know, it's like the teacher always ends up learning the most.

Yep.

When he has to teach.

Yeah.

And. And so I thought that in order for me to embed my own spiritual path. And it's almost like journaling. Right. I was journaling through social media, my exact authentic path. And I thought it's worth posting as long as only one person could benefit from it. If it's more than that, then that's all gravy to me. But I didn't ever do it so that I could get followership or that I could get famous or anything.

Yeah. 100%. I'm the same way. I mean, it's. It was never a. You know, let me try to do brand deals or let me connect all this. I mean, it's, you know, and. And then, then this comes to. The other thing is once I started doing this, you know, you get the people that want to. Let me help you make money. Let me help you make money. Let me help you make money on your social media. And. Yeah, seriously. And I'm like, okay. You know, and of course, there's value exchange. Of course.

Next thing you know, you're wearing a T shirt that says light worker or you're wearing it, you know, something else that's like, you know, some kind of coffee. You know, I was like, oh, I have. I advertise coffee now. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean. And that's. That. That's all. That's all good.

Pay the bills. I get it.

Yeah. It's all good and well, but it really is truly about just getting. Getting the word out and, you know, creating. Creating value exchange so that whatever it is that I'm doing and that we're doing, people feel like, okay, I would have paid 10x for that. If they do do it. If they do. If you do choose to put something out there, it's not like, oh, you're trying to squeeze them through the door. And, you know, I mean, in the last class that I did for people, you know, I don't. I didn't charge a lot. You know, it was 97 bucks. I threw myself into it like crazy. And it wasn't about, you know, changing my life. It's about changing somebody else.

And I saw you had a mountain of content in there, too. Like a mountain of content. So that's another sign that I can tell when someone's, like, legit is how much they actually put out.

Yeah.

Because once they get on this frequency of universal source, it doesn't stop.

Yeah.

And you become extreme. You're going to only become more and more prolific for the next 10, 20 years.

Yep. Well, and that's what I. And that's the thing that I. When I. One of the big things that I'm teaching now is that, you know, you are. I am. I am you talking to you and you are me talking to me and everybody who's now watching. Everybody who's watching this is us talking to them and them talking to themselves. Right. And each and every person watching this also is. Is Christ and Magdalene at the same time, which is a very interesting corresponding energy that I need to show you. I need to show you this. This is bananas. Let me show you two things. I don't know if we can screen share on this thing, but I would love to show you this thing. Check this out. This is nuts, because this. This came to me and wildness. Okay. You See this? Okay, I'm gonna make it bigger.

Yep. So here's.

Here's what I ended up kind of like messing around with. I started. I got into this whole philosopher's stone and something never resonated with it, even though it's tattooed on my arm. And then I was like, oh, wait a minute, it should be more balanced.

Okay.

And then it holds all of the hermetic laws inside of it. I'll make it a little bit bigger here. Okay. It holds all the hermetic laws inside of it. And so you've got mentalism, correspondence, vibration. You've. Then you have to flip it upside down. You have the same thing. And each one of these.

I did notice this thing. I was like, oh, I want to look more deeply into this. Because you've basically taken the center point and made it like a half. That's only half of the circle and half of the square. Instead of putting it like it is on the philosopher's stone.

Right, exactly, exactly. But what it did is it created balance and it minimized the self. And then it pulled the aspects of the bottom four law, what I call the bottom four laws or the laws of balance, inside of the hermetics, which are the laws that sit on the edges here inside of the Sephiroth. Right. Instead of the tree of life imbalance, that allows us to connect with the divine energy. So if this is the divine, the circle, the larger circle, and we as individuals are the inner circle, we never touch the divine unless we are in balance of these linear laws. And there are laws of balance and what I call laws of business. The laws of business are the triangle, the laws of balance. Okay. Are these laws that are like. They're two sided. It's like there's polarity, you know, and duality and how you actually look at the unity of it. There's. There's gender, masculine and feminine. There's cause and effect and karma, there's rhythm, there's up and down. But vibration is just vibration. Mentalism is just mentalism. Correspondence is just correspondence. But each one of these balance laws lives inside of these different categories and they always touch them. And what was interesting about this is people keep talking about this base 12 system and base 10, even though it's all freaking the same thing. Which, you know, I'll talk about here in a second if you want to get into it. But the base. Where'd I put this thing at? Over here.

So then it's like the base 12 is inside of the base 10.

Exactly.

It's inside My book.

Thank you. It's been driving me nuts because everybody's trying to create a whole new system.

Yeah, no, you don't need to. It's already embedded in the base. And that's why the base 60 is based on time, because it encapsulates both, bro. And it's the 5 and 6 coming together. It's all about the 5 and 6.

Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. And I. And I even mapped it back. I'll show you this other thing. I mapped it back to the zodiac because I was like, okay, well, this. There's this. Okay, so you know you've got 12 points in here, right? And the 12 literally fit inside of each one of these different areas. And then here's the kicker. Here's what happened after this. I was like, well, how does this map to the. To the Tree of Life? So each one of these different areas. Mentalism. Okay, so here. Where's it at? Ah, it's always funky. All right, well, I'll talk about it like this. You've got the Father, okay? You've got the Son, all right? And you've got the Holy Spirit. We only talk about the Father, Son, Holy Spirit in masculine terms. And that's the Father, the Son, and humanity. We never talk about the female side of the same energy, which, if everything is gender. That means that the triangle that lives inside of the philosopher's stone, which is the Father, Son, the Trinity, also has a feminine version of it, which is the Sophia, the Mother Mary, and the mother Mary Magdalene. And the Mary Magdalene is the corresponding energy, okay? The Mary Magdalene energy is the corresponding energy, okay, associated with the isness, but it's the. The feminine version of it. The Sophia, okay, which they call it Shiva or whatever. You can call it whatever. In Gnosticism, they call it Sophia is the vibration. And that vibration connects at the upper part of the Spirit and the Tree of Life connected to the Father, that helps you get to the sun. So without this, you never get to the sun, okay? And without the Mother Mary, you never get to humanity actually showing up. So you have to have to understand these different areas of this energy. And then, you know, everybody's chasing after, well, I'm Mary Magdalene. I'm Mary Magdalene. Because that's the correspondence of the version that we see in life now. But without honoring all these other areas, it doesn't work. And then the stuff that holds it together is this, you know, karmic polarity, rhythm and gender. And you have to be able to master this to be able to pull that through. So that the actual. All of the information, all the light ends up flowing through not only in the external systems, but also in the internal systems that's governed by the body. That's associated with the 32 different paths that you can go through here in order to create sovereignty in your individuation. And this is this split right here in between here is where the heaven energy and the earth matter come together. And so then this hit. This hit, right? And I was like, oh, okay, so we. We've totally forgotten. We don't even know the story of the. Of the female. We don't know what that is. And we've demonized them. And I'm so glad we're in this age of Aquarius right now, because that puts us in a space to where we. They can help tell that story and embody that story. And now what we need to do is put that shit on blockchain so nobody forgets.

It'd be like. That is the last line right there. Okay, so what's the big. I guess what's the big message here of what you're basically saying why. Why did all of this get made and created by us?

So it all got. I go back to God's moment, okay? The all. Not as a separate thing, but as part of me. There was a. There was a. There was a moment in time. We can call it time or a moment in moments, moment in frequency, moment in energy, whatever you want to say. Where there was this. I need to experience itself. Whatever it was needed to experience itself. And in the. In the question of the hesitation of the experience, it created everything. All that hesitation created all of time, all of space, all of chaos, all of suffering, all the devils, all the demons, all the love, all the sex, all the things created, all the things that could ever possibly exist. The aliens, extraterrestrials. And it's all part of us. And it's all. There's a seed, the mustard seed that's inside of us, okay, Is the thing we need to seek. Because that is the answer that created the explosion of even ourselves. That happens just like the galaxy on a daily basis. And what we have done is moved into. I'm gonna go to down two paths. We've moved into a space of judgment and righteousness to where we do not honor the hesitation that created at all, even ourselves and the good and in perceivably bad. And it's for us to learn to love the bad. It's love for us to learn to love the trauma. It's for us to learn to love the darkness. It's for us to wrap our arms around the devil.

I love you.

All of it. Okay.

Bro, you're exactly. It's, it's really trippy. You're like my, my black brother from another mother. It's.

Bro. Yeah.

You get it. It's. We learn through the opposites.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because we're here to learn how to. I can't learn unconditional love until I learn how to accept and love betrayal. 100.

Yeah.

Which is really hard for people to grasp. Really hard.

Yeah. And, and it's, and all of us, whether it's a generational curse, you know, take me. Black man slavery. One in four goes to prison. I was incarcerated for 46 months. I was sexually abused as a child. I tried to take my life. Slipped my wrist, put a gun to my head, pulled it. Wanted to be out of this world. Right. And all of that was a gift that I gave myself. To learn how to truly love unconditionally, how to see it all and how to help other people. Because what I found on my journey is that me just being able to express the sexual abuse. How many people come out the woodwork now and say, oh, I was sexually abused too. Help me with this because I don't know the answer. How many men that were black men. One in four that were incarcerated that have gone through the system that come out and feel unworthy, helping them find the safety in themselves so that they can become superhumans. Those that are in death row. I went to Angola prison and sat with men on death row and saw the lack of hope in their eyes. Sitting with them and helping them see that they can truly love again and change. Because there's only the moment that they're in right now and converge in that. That is the work. That's the exciting part about it. And that's how you love and don't cast away anybody. So that's to me, the what we're here to do. And I'll say the second thing that we're here to do, which is part of this is stop becoming these two dimensional beings. Because all we ever do is we look at what you know, like I, I, I use this example. If I take this water bottle, I only two dimensionally understand this water bottle. I can touch it even though it feels 3D. I don't know how much water is in it unless I look in it. Then, even then my senses only tell me that it's this much water that's in it. I don't know the molecular structure of it or how much is sitting inside of there, I don't know how many molecules are in it. And if I don't know that, I definitely don't know the depth of myself. Right. So then to me, to come with three dimensional being, I actually have to know the depth of me and go deep within. And so for us to become three dimensional, then we move into this fourth dimension of what I call it, where we become extremely present. Because in order to do that you have to be present and then you literally catapult all the way through to the ninth dimension. And then you can just play wherever because you're just complete at that point.

So, okay, so let's see.

I know we went deep really fast. We have a lot, we have a lot to talk about.

Everything I said about simplicity that was on hold, just put that on hold right now.

Yeah.

Because I want to understand this. Okay, so fifth dimension, fourth dimension, fourth dimension. It's a time construction. Time becomes a volumetric measurement. And what I found was that there's a cipher that we can look at all dimensions. And it's so simple. I got to show this to you. That's literally mind blowing. And what it is is you start off, and it's based on where a perimeter will be equal to an area.

Okay.

So which can have a perimeter. Which square can have a perimeter that's equal to its area? Well, the area is a function of squaring one of the sides. Right? So yeah, so if it has a square that has a side number of length of four and you square that, it's 16 and that's its area and its perimeter is still 16.

Yep.

Yeah, so it becomes like a portal.

Yeah.

When the area is equal to the perimeter, it becomes like a portal. The, the triangle that does this is a 5 12, 13 triangle.

5 12, 13 triangle. Okay.

Okay, so one half base times the height gives you the area. Right. Okay, so if the height of the triangle is going to be 5 12. So it's going to be 12. Right. And the hypotenuse is 13, then you've got 12 times 5. Right. Equals 60. One half of that is 30 and 30 is the area of that same triangle. Okay, so now if we take the perimeter, 5 plus 12 plus 13 equals what? 30.

Right.

It's the only triangle that does this.

Interesting.

Okay, so now why does this become important? Well, if we start taking, we start noticing there's a pattern. Because when you have the radius of two for the square that has a four side, four Side. So you put a circle inside that square. That's got 4, 4, 4, 4. So 16 is the area, 16 is its perimeter as well. Then you have a radius of 2. So radius of 2 is defining the second dimension. And the radius value of 2 is giving us the relationship of the second dimension, which is an X and a Y axis.

Right.

It doesn't have a depth. There's no Z axis.

Yeah.

So let's assume we put a Z axis into this. Now, right between the X and the. Yeah. We put a Z that comes right through this direction.

Right.

90 degree offset. What happens? Well, we just simply increase the radius from 2 to 3. And when we increase the radius from 2 to 3, then whatever will be the outer form of that. So it doesn't matter what it is, it's going to be a cube or so the cube would be the outer form of the radius of three. So we now take that cube and let's see if it has the same. And this point context changes a little bit because it goes from what was before. Area equaling perimeter now becomes surface area equaling volume.

Equaling volume. Yep. Okay.

Okay, Yep. So it even defines what the next dimension will be. It's embedded in the mathematics as a cipher. You could determine the entire thing like this.

Yeah. So.

So then. So then you've got a cube, right. That has three as its radius. So that means it's six as its side.

Yeah.

So that means that I've got six as its side. And I'm going to take its area. And six times six is 36. And it's got six of those sides. So its area should equal its volume at 2160.

Right.

And it does.

Right?

Yeah.

Okay, dude, this is great. Keep going.

You see what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So. So all I've done is I've taken. Okay. Second dimension was I've got a radius value of two. That gives me a square in the second dimension that gives me this equal. Oh, I lost you, Sean.

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. We were breaking the Internet here. So we take 2 as the radius, that will have a length of a square. When you put a square around a circle with 2 as its radius, the square will have a side length of four and it will have an equal perimeter to its area because it's 16. Right. 16 is perfect match. Now we move to the third dimension. So now we have to increase that radius value to three.

Yeah.

So now we increase the radius value to three. And now put a cube around it. Yeah, it's down the third dimension. So now will this hold true that now instead of being the surface, instead of being the perimeter is equal to the area, you now have to change it to the surface area is equal to the volume. And then the next dimension would be the surface volume is equal to the hyper volume. The next dimension would be, and you just keep taking it. For the fourth dimension, you move it to a radius of four. For the fifth dimension, Pentarax, you move it to a radius of five. For Hexaract, you move it to a radius of six. And this goes infinitely.

Yeah.

And any form that you put around it in that dimension, as long as it matches the dimension that it is as its radius value, even in hyper dimensions will always give you the next subsequent measurement from its area versus perimeter. And then it becomes surface area versus volume. And then it becomes surface volume versus versus a tesseract volume.

Right.

And then tesseract volume versus Pentorac volume.

Right, Right.

Like surface, it becomes a surface. Everything becomes surface. It takes the last one and makes it now a surface measure and it goes all the way up and it works to perfection. That's why you move it from two to three. And we say a cube that has a radius of three will have its surface area which will be six sides times six. So that's 36 times six equals 216.

Right?

Right. And the volume of the exact same cube will be 216.

So I have two questions. Well, one, I have one thing. What's interesting is when I say you get to the point of understanding depth, you automatically move into this, into this sixth dimension from an awareness perspective. Because then you're connected with your purpose, which is, I call it. I call the sixth dimension your purpose dimension. Because then you're walking in the plan of God or the divine intended for you. So it's funny that you say six, because anytime you hit three, you automatically accelerate into this sixth dimension. Because time and spirit start to do the thing that they're supposed to do. Time gets into the present moment, Spirit. Then what I call this fifth dimension is the spiritual dimension is you no longer see things as good and evil. You move beyond the whole righteousness and judgment thing and everything becomes one. And so from a mental or mentalism state, you're now just moving in your purpose and it just starts to harmonize with you. Really interesting that that number is six. Mathematically it's.

It's so. It's so perfect. And actually what it tells you is Earth is supposed to be based on that number as well.

Yeah, right.

Because carbon is exactly the cube that has six protons, six electrons, and six neutrons.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So how Plato figured out that Earth terra firma was going to be exactly the structure of a cube that is exactly the structure of carbon, by the way. He didn't have microscopes to tell us this. How did he figure out that water clusters. Cluster in the form of icosahedra?

Right.

Somehow he did. But it's true. I could look at microscopes now, and I could see that they actually cluster in the form of icosahedra.

Right, Right.

The point is that this is a beautiful design that we are just walking through and barely scratching the surface on. Understanding the design is so perfect. And what it does for me is it actually points to me saying, you know what? I used to study a lot of physics. I used to argue a lot with physicists. I used to try to try to figure out, okay, well, here's what it is. I now realize that we live in a dream.

Yeah. Yeah.

And the dream can be either heaven or hell. It's from our own making.

Yeah.

It's what we decide it will be, is what it is. Yeah. And I started realizing I don't even need to get into the physics, because.

It'S like.

How is it that when I have my eyes closed and I'm dreaming, I could see photons of light?

Mm.

Or what is this emergent function of gravity that somehow is inside my dream?

Yeah.

Maybe it's simply the construct of my own belief system that says what the rules are.

Yeah.

Inside my dream. And why is it any different in the outer world around us? I don't believe it is different. Ultimately.

No. No. So there's three things I want to put a pin in. Two of them. One of them is delusional optimism. Okay. And I want to ask you a question then. The other one is about what you just said. This dream, that this is in order for it to become as malleable as our dream state can be when we place an intention? Has to do with that feminine energy.

Yes. Really not.

Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. I'll put that to a pen. What you're talking about. Are there any digital root dynamics associated with the mathematics where it reduces back down into this central cardinal number set as it associates with dimensional, like, you know, the dimensional breakdown of things? Or does it just continue?

What this tells me is that the number of dimensions is actually infinite.

Right.

Because it's a function of the number set itself. And I could prove this mathematically.

Right.

I just stopped Spending so much of my time on this type of stuff because it's like, okay, once I figured out that it was proven to myself, I was like, what's the point? What do I want to do with this? And then that's what derives for me this feeling of what's the whole point of all of it? Okay. To learn love.

Right.

So instead of trying to communicate to everybody, okay, yeah, here's how all the dimensions work and all this, da da da da. I'm like, no, no, just understand. It's about love.

Right?

And nothing is outside of you. Everything is just you. You're just looking and perceiving. As you said. I'm me talking to you as you and you talking to me as me.

Yeah.

And it's like this whole mirror, I am you reflection type thing that's going on. We are the universe observing itself through our eyes of perception. And the universe gets some great utility out of this. I think the great utility is, is that you get different emotional states. And those emotional states inform the space time matrix, the akashic field, thousand percent. All those emotional states is what this whole thing is for. We're here to. How would an AI learn emotion? It would have to only do it by the sum total of an infinite number of possible perspectives. Because it's entirely subjective. Because the universe is not at all objective. It's entirely subjective. It's all mental and not material.

Right.

So you'd need billions of node validators to be able to provide their version or their facet rather than their fact of truth.

Right? Right. And then to power those node validators you need a certain gas token which would be backed off of something that is extremely valuable, which is now this whole Bitcoin thing. And once that explodes to what it is, it gets redistributed back to the holders that have a very specific intention associated with the electromagnetic field that we carry that'll be centered within our truth and that can be validated by certain wearables, you know, in some oracle based protocol. Then at which point those are going to be not the rich people, it'll just be those that want to give. Like whenever I get money, I just want to give it. I just want to help people and I want to create the currency out of the flow. And so not that I'm more worthy than anybody else to receive, it's just the fact that it just moves through me and will I ever be bezos rich? No, I don't. I mean that's not the point. The point is to continue to move it on and then re. Reinvest in those node validators in order to then expand consciousness to the truth that was intended by the divine, using what some would call trans. Transhumanism technology to execute on this. But it's really not. It's just the deepening within. And once you know yourself, then you're always taken care of, which happens anyway. Like, you know, for you and myself and others, when you really love yourself and you do the work within self, no matter how bad it gets, something always magically comes through every time.

Right, man? Totally.

Right? The craziest thing.

Have you seen the podcast that I did with Robert Breedlove?

I haven't. I'll watch it.

You know Robert, right?

I don't personally know Robert. No, I know of Robert.

I mean, you know of him, though. He's kind of like a big bitcoin kind of. You know, he's really close friends with Michael Saylor, and.

Yeah.

And so Robert asked me. He's like, well, what. What does the word satoshi nakamoto actually mean in Japanese? I speak Japanese. Yeah. You know what it means?

I. I know I used to. It's something crazy. Yes. What does it mean?

Wisdom. Satoshi, Right? Could also be truth.

Yeah.

Wisdom. Nakamoto means, like, from the field. Wisdom from the field. Yeah, like, from inside of the field. Like, naka is, like, inside of.

Yeah.

Moto is field.

Yeah.

Wisdom inside of the field.

Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You can't make this up.

You can't make it up, bro.

I love it. I love it.

You. You literally can't make it up. It's like. It's right there, you know? It's like, hidden in plain sight. And I think that it's. Exactly. Know where you're going with this. What. What I'm basically saying is that I found this structure throughout the entire universe. It's so beautiful and it's so simplistic, actually. It's all right there.

Yeah.

All this stuff that we have in physics is kind of a funny abomination because it's. It's all. Once you finally figured out that the whole thing is a mathematical matrix that's emergent, just like a dream is emergent from consciousness, then all this other stuff, quite frankly, doesn't even matter.

No, what I do love about it, though, I. I love. I love, like, you know Dr. Robert Lands book, the Grand Biocentric Design? It's like all these. All these experiments are proving spirituality. Like, thanks. Thanks.

Well, yeah, like the imp of the perverse. Right. It's like the imp of the perverse, it's gone all the way, full circle.

Yeah.

You know, like, one of the guys that follows me and has for several years now is Eric Weinstein. I started looking at it like, okay, what's the point of. It's. It's kind of like going deep in the. Physics can kind of go in circles when you start to realize, like, why do I need to understand that gravity is a construct of belief, that we call it immutable law.

Yep.

No, it's. It's not real. There. There will definitely be massive shifts in how we perceive what gravity is. That's coming very, very soon.

Oh, yeah.

It's a function of our belief. Literally. It's exactly what Jesus said, faith to move mountains.

Oh, yeah.

And that's the stage we're now in. We're now in this alchemical stage called the hierophant.

Mm.

The hierophant stage is all about miracles, the return of miracles. And that's exactly where things are right now. And the shift happened. So I think.

What?

What? You know, I used to spend all this time on the material aspects of physics and everything and trying to prove the point and everything. Now I realize it's like, I don't even have time for that now because either you're already resonating to the notion that it is a mental universe or you're not. And I'm not going to be the one to pull that. All the people that come into my field now are all people that are already resonating in that way. And that's kind of split. That's the split.

Yeah, yeah. And it's. And it's a. It's a beautiful. To me, I. I love that, because I was kind of similar. I would just try to math the whole thing out, and it's just like, dude, it's not that. It's okay. We need those people doing that, because then it takes all of the logical minds and moves them into magical minds once they see how these things are connected.

I like that. From logical mind to magical mind. That's cool.

Yeah. So we go from logicians to magicians.

Right.

That's what we're doing.

You're like the master. You're the master of this whole way to present. And, you know, you've got better catchphrases than Donald Trump.

Oh, well, thank you, thank you, thank you. I need to run for president, you know?

Yeah, you could run for president.

I remember. I mean, I'm a convicted felon. I mean, I might as well, you know, shoot, like let me in.

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So it landed me in prison was so I owned a medical well, it was me not loving myself number one, if I were to take it and give you an answer. But the specific thing was I had a medical staffing company in that medical staffing company, you know about factoring debt financing?

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Yeah. So we had, you know, you debt finance, the doctors that were working for us, we grew it from 0 to 20 million. I own 51% of the company. A close family member was one of the partners. He ran the back end, I ran the front end. I did the sales, the marketing, he did all the other things and did really well. And he ended up double factoring a handful of our invoices every month up to the tune of a very large number. And this is before banking was really fast so you couldn't catch it. It he disappeared back to his homeland overseas. And then the bank came in, said, we own the money. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And so I tried to. Well, and so I tried to fix it. Okay. That was where I got in trouble because I could have just taken the hit and gotten a little bit of trouble. It would have been on him and the rest of his family and whatnot that did it. But what I did wrong is I went in and basically tried to correct it because we. We were about. In order to pay it off, we were about $600,000 short. So I went to a hospital we did work with. In. In Silver Spring, Maryland. And I asked advance bill them for, you know, a couple months of work. The cath lab manager was like, yeah, I got you. Sent me the check. I sent him the credit memos. I got the money. And then the hospital was doing an entire audit because they were getting purchased by a larger hospital. They saw this breach in the deal, you know, so I. I missed a piece. Sorry. He was about to lose his job because he didn't have capital expenditure approval for any anything over 500, 000. At which point I came in and said, hey, I'll try to fix this for you. So we tried to call and find his old manager because his manager that he had didn't work there that would have approved him sending this money, who had the expenditure approval at the time that he did it. Because about a year went by. And then at which point, I know this is like a complex, ish story then. At which point, we couldn't find him. So I ended up getting on the dark web, finding how to hack the hospital system, started writing emails between him and his old boss, put him in a spam folder, stuck him there, told him to go find him, and then he got off and he was fine. He was like, I'm not gonna lose my job anymore. Oh, my gosh. And I'd never gotten in trouble before this. Like, I never got detention, no speeding tickets. I was like a goody two shoes. Oh, my gosh. Had my first drink at 21 years old. Like, I was that guy. I was so afraid of my own shadow. And then, at which point he. What was the last thing that happened? Oh, so then the hospital was getting purchased, did an audit, saw the IP breach, didn't do any VPN thing. I don't recommend anybody doing this, by the way. And then they saw this, came to my house. My son had just been born. He was like 8 months old. I'm changing his diaper at 6am in the morning, knock on the door. It was the, the federal government. And they came in handcuffed me, asking what I did. I told him, I was like, hey, I did this thing, gave him everything. Didn't even think about an attorney. I was just like, dude, I wasn't nefarious. I didn't even make any money on the thing. Sent all the money back and you know, like everything. It was just wild because we gave the credit memos and the person just worked all the money off, you know, when they were in the, working for the lab and. Yeah, and that was it. And so at which point what cheap.

What tipped the, the federal government off?

Oh, the, the hospital, the hospital saw the breach and they're doing the audit. So, so that whole thing went down and then they, they basically were like, look, we're gonna either convict, convict you for conspiracies, commit wire fraud. You can help us find this guy in your life that did all the nefarious stuff in the tune. Like he had another company, did it with up to like 16 million. I was a lot of money that was out there or you can find.

How long have you known that guy for?

He was like family member, long time. Not, not like my dad or anything like that. Like a godfather figure kind of person for 30 years.

How much did he steal from you?

I mean it wasn't for me, he just took it from the company. But the total overall number that he got was about $16 million. And you know, got away with it.

And so he just disappeared. He went back to some other countries, said peace out.

Yeah, yeah. But here's what's crazy. I'll tell you like the craziest story. If you think about like how, how the divine loves you so much. I went in. This was when like the whole like, you know, mortgage thing blew up, right? And all of the too big to fail happened. So that happened, right? 2008, 2009, I, when I walked in like I, I, everything was taken away. Like I foreclosed on house, all the stuff was gone. I was in a pretty rough marriage at the time, you know, that got course corrected. When I got out, my credit score was perfect. I had nothing on my credit anymore. It was like everything got wiped off the map.

How long were you in prison for?

It was a 46 month sentence. So I served close rated three years. I missed the entire crisis like all, I missed all of that. Got out and started literally back over again. And then I trained myself before I went in. When I was in the halfway house prior to, because they made me go in the halfway house for my pre trial, learned how to do digital marketing. And then when I got out, I did the digital marketing again. And that's like, you know, what I did well with in life. And I took the time that I was in there to really learn it, book smart wise, and then got out and I just ran super fast. And it was kind of wild how all that pieced itself together and you go back and you're like, oh, that sucked. But it was really a gift I gave myself and I learned how to love everybody. Because when you're in there, you know, you see people like me growing up, I was, you know, I was not, you know, I was not black enough. You know, my hair is a little different, I talk a little different. You know, I was always really skinny. You know, if you would have seen pictures of me, I got picked on and made fun of, you know, I, you know, but, but the, you know, on the white side of the equation, because I grew up in white neighborhoods, you know, like my first girlfriend broke up with me because her dad said I was black. Like, so, you know, you have that situation, grew up in Texas, mind you. So you have all these situations that go on. And when you, when you kind of like go into prison and you see the black guys with the gold teeth or you see the white guy with the swastika and all these guys are my friends. And I learned at first I was terrified of all of them because they were too big, they were scary, they were all of this. And then you just, you know, I could sit in the white TV room, I could sit in the black TV room. They all have different TV rooms for different races. I could watch anything and get along with anybody, you know, I learned how to like make meals in the microwave and make my own little enterprise of cooking so that I could learn to pay for my stuff because nobody was sending me money, my dad every now and then, right? Stuff like that. And you just learn how to evolve and you learn how to make a life within a life. And it's almost like if you took this as an aspect of consciousness, I don't recommend going to prison to experience this, but it's almost like you are inside of a matrix looking at the world doing its thing. So I mean, imagine yourself watching the world and you can do nothing about it, right? But you have your own life. And then that's almost like the cells in our body, they do their own thing and it's watching us up. So I'm watching my family and my friends and people do crazy stuff or succeed, you know, but when you become envious about it, it makes the time harder. Okay. So you learn truly how to be present and appreciate and have gratitude for where you are. And you watch your life either, you know, fall apart or fold together. And people be successful and people have horrible times and it just fluctuates and you surrender into that space. And it was the most. Damn it.

The moment that you said surrender that space, you went black.

It should be back. All right, but what I would say, if we want to piece this together properly, it was the, it was the most beautiful experience to look back on and truly understand how, how the spiritual thing works. I didn't get it at the time, but looking back on it, I'd be like, oh, okay. You know, this is how you truly learn to accept, truly learn how to love, truly learn how to be in a space and see everybody as yourself. Because when you see them as separate, they don't help you. And you can change the vibration inside of a walls, walls like that and have no experience to do it. You could do it anywhere in life.

Oh, totally. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it really is amazing and beautiful.

But.

Okay, so on the day to day aspect of being in prison, what was that like?

Oh, at first, it was hard at first. I mean, like the day to day it was, you know, you get up, you get counted, you, you know, you eat, you go through these cycles. You do very specific things every day. You have a job. My first job was maintenance, cutting grass. Right. You, you count it again, you then find a hobby. You know, I learned to draw. I learned to, you know, work out. I learned to do all this stuff. Wrote poetry, read the Bible probably 10 times. So did that and. But then it turned into like, how can I make this an actual enjoyable space instead of something that's so routine, you know, and then you learn to have really deep conversations, create friendships. Like I said. I learned how to like do this like, weird microwave cooking, which couldn't have been good for me from a BPA perspective, but still, you know, it tasted better than the stuff they gave you. You make friends with the correction officers and learn about their life and you just. Then you start to create the intentions and set those intentions for when you get out. And it's like, it's like a really long Runway for success if you make it that way.

Absolutely.

Yeah. But don't recommend anybody going to prison to do this. I mean, you could do it. There's way. There's much easier ways to get there than having that experience. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

But it must have been super intense.

Like, it was intense. Yeah, it was intense. I mean, there are a couple of times that I have my life kind of threatened, but that was early in the day when I was afraid, it was a reflection of me. When I was afraid, it was like the big bag monsters came. And then when I learned that these people are just as afraid as I am, they're just expressing it differently. It changed.

What a fascinating experience that must have been. I can't even imagine it.

Yeah.

Wow. Okay, so. So when you went to prison, was it like a. More of a white collar prison or was it more of a. Like a. Just a regular penitentiary?

It started. So it started in the D.C. prison system, like D.C. jail, and then it shifted to a white collar camp type of vibe.

How far in was it that you got shifted to that?

Six months. Six months in? Yeah. You start just part of the process. Transfer process, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Started in the D.C. jail, then I went to the halfway house and then got. Went to Big Spring, Texas. Wow. In the desert.

So how did you go from that to. I mean, I. I heard the digital marketing part of it, that I can totally see how that all goes. But when did you start really getting deep into the esoteric aspects of math and geometry?

It was about five years ago, right before COVID really hit. And my. My now wife, her name's Sophia. Oddly for the Sophia we just talked about, she was like, you need to meditate. You're too much into this stuff. I'm like, what are you talking about? Meditation's just. I can't be still like that. I didn't get what meditation was, so I tried it a little bit. And then one of her exes had sent her a sadhguru video. And I saw the video and I was like, oh, this is cool. And it was like a Tom Bily use sadhguru video. And I saw that. And then I tried to start explaining the sad guru stuff, and I sounded crazy talking about it. It's not my vibe. But I was working on it. And then I was watching a bunch of Tom Bilyeu stuff, and I was just going down the list of his things and bumped into a Joe Dispenza one that if your thoughts can make you sick, your thoughts can make you well. And I had a thyroid condition at the time. I have my thyroid radiated and graves disease and the whole bit. And then watch that video. And I'm like, oh, like this guy's onto something. And I just went on. Went on a Joe Dispenza rant for a couple years, went to nine retreats, the whole thing. And that's when I started seeing that there was something more mystical about this whole process. But I thought it was like a game you played instead of it actually being something within self. So I needed to follow the meditations. I need to go to his events. I need to, like, watch a kaleidoscope, and then I'll make a hundred thousand dollars. It was that kind of thing, and it would happen.

I've never been to a retreat, so I don't know what that.

What it's like. I was whipping, like, stuff into thin air, like, doing stuff. It was the wildest thing. And, like, I quit having to take my thyroid medication. All this stuff started to happen, but I didn't recognize my agency in it. I thought it was a Joe Dispenz magic thing. And his process is great, mind you, but I was lost in him instead of knowing myself. And I remember Sophia was just calling me out all the time on it. She was just like, look, it's not about that. You need to love you. So she really was my greatest gift as far as opening this vessel of understanding myself. And then we had a. Both did an ayahuasca journey. We split up, and I went on, like the total dickhead, try to build a cult mission on the information that I knew. And I had, like, you know, five people hanging out with me all the time. And I really thought I had it together. And it was. It was sickening, if you look back on it. But it was part of the journey I had to go through, you know, of where I thought it was about me and not about we. Right. Did Iboga recognize that I hadn't healed my feminine wound? You know, went to Hoffman Process. And really between those two things, everything shifted. And then I just started saying, I need to get out of this. I need to start talking about how I hold feminine energy. I need to start talking about how I create love. I need to start talking about how I love myself. And I really actually need to walk in integrity of that. And the beautiful thing about the relationship with Sophia is when we started coming back together, she held me in that aspect of integrity to a point where I didn't even recognize I needed to hold myself. And in order to lean into that and, you know, you could call it a karmic relationship, twin frame relationship, whatever. It doesn't Matter. It was. It was me talking to me through the aspect of the feminine energy. And it pushed me to remember who I was that I had forgotten on the day of birth. And then, at which point, it wasn't about what I knew. It was about what I could remember and what I could help others remember. And that's when I just started to talk. And things would show up when they needed to. Here's the book for this. Somebody, you need to read this. It's a. It was always, this will help you on your journey. I'm like, oh, okay. Boom. It helped me on my journey, you know, and then more original things started to come out of me that I hadn't seen before. And then it was just this new stuff, and here we are. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Well, what a pleasure to spend this time with you.

Likewise.

And to hear your story. And I so resonate with what you're putting out into the world. And I thank you for what you're putting out into the world. How can people find out more about your work and about what you do? Where can you direct them to?

Yeah. 100. So, of course, the IG abundance. 10,000. It's one and then four zeros on the back of it. I have a site, you know, scienceofabundance. AI Inside of it, I have a purpose generator statement. It'll help you find your purpose based on what you love and fear in life. There's a book that I put out called the Codes of Abundance, which help you understand how to take your emotional state, move it into divine energy using all the unification of spiritual practices that are out there. And it's very grounded in mathematical, you know, systems and how it all works. But it's very simple to read. It's just, you do this, you do this, you do that. And there's an app with that, so you can get that links in my bio on ignorance. And if you need marketing, you know, there's myosin IO go through my LinkedIn for that one. Totally different lane, but I do all the stuff, so it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. It's.

It's.

It's like, it's a great time to be alive, as we all keep saying. Yeah.

Thank you, my friend. Such a pleasure to be here with you. I look forward to seeing you in person. Likewise.

Yeah.

And look forward to having a dinner or something with you.

Oh, yeah. We have to go deep. There's a lot to do. There's a lot of. A lot of love here.

I appreciate you keep doing what you're doing.

You. You too. You, too. We got. We got work to do. I know this. We do.

We definitely got work.

All right.

Have a good one.

All right, you, too.

We'll see you next week on Think Tank.

Sam.