69: How pursuing fulfilment can lead to Becoming Bulletproof, with Jason Lew (Enneagram 6)

Foreign.

Welcome to the Becoming Bulletproof podcast. I am your host, Tracy o'. Malley. I'm a mom to millennials, an author, Enneagram expert and multi million dollar entrepreneur, and master performance and business coach. I've gone from rock bottom to building a bulletproof business and life. If you're looking for the unfiltered transparent truth and ethos, an extra kick in the ass, you will discover that here. Each week, I'll be bringing you success stories of high level entrepreneurs as we discover how they became bulletproof and created their empire. You'll learn the story behind the glory along with Enneagram inspired truths so you can ignite your own purpose, profits and build your legacy. It's time for you to become bulletproof. Buckle up. Let's go.

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Becoming Bulletproof podcast. And I have one of my favorite people on today. And I for sure can sit and talk to him for hours and hours. And we have, we've talked for hours. He's actually stayed at my house. And for those of you that know me, know that I don't do that. And to let somebody in my personal space says a lot about this amazing, incredible, brilliant, wise human being. Jason Liu.

The very first time I heard him speak, I think was on a video that I had seen. And, you know, I'm definitely somebody. I have goosebumps even like talking about him because I could feel his energy immediately. I'm one of those that I can feel people before I even see them or know them. And I knew that he was going to be my friend. I just knew it. And, you know, the fact that him and I ended up sharing a stage together, speaking in front of close to 20,000 people was nothing short of a divine appointment for sure. Jason Liu. Gosh, how old are you? You're in your 30s, right?

38.

Gosh, he's still a baby. If you know Schitt's Creek, you know that reference. My baby. I love that show. But Jason has made multiple seven figures in more than one network marketing company, which is something that is very difficult to do. He is a coach, a business coach, and when I say he's brilliant and wise, y' all that follow me know that I don't throw on compliments very easily. I mean that whatever he says, I want you guys to take notes. You're going to want to listen to this podcast again. I don't even know what's going to come out of this, but it'll be nothing short of brilliance. So I'm very Excited to bring the wisdom of my dear friend Jason Liu to all of you today. Hey, honey.

Thank you for having me excited you're here. I'm just excited to be in your world, in your space. Like, for those of you that don't know, like, Tracy literally has been, my wife refers to you as, like, guardian angel number one. Like, you guys have. You guys have always looked out for me. Like, I refer to you, and then, like, Jess, at the same time, like, both of you took me on at a time where I felt very vulnerable, very scared, very unsure. And you have done nothing but pour love and support and encouragement into my life. And you mean the world. So I am so honored to be here and hanging out with you.

I have, like, a big old lump in my throat. Oh, that's a beautiful, beautiful compliment. And you are like my little brother. And, you know, as an enneagram8, I am the ultimate challenging protector anyway.

And I can feel your vulnerability, and you put your heart on the line and you just give everything when you speak, when you teach, even, you know, when you have your arm around your little girl, like. Like, you can just feel that, and it's sacred, and the world needs more of that. So I am ultra protective of you in the most respectful ways. You can handle yourself just fine. But I got a big ass mouth that, like, if anybody messes with my friend Jason Liu, you better watch the fuck out because I will kick your ass.

I love it.

He has a podcast called the Business of Feeling Good. And, you know, that's not like, I like the name of it, but it isn't exactly what you would think when you. When you hear that name. So what is your podcast like? What is the main purpose of your podcast and what you bring to the world?

I think, to be honest, the impetus of the Business of Feeling Good was. Was really a mantra for myself. I was in a place where I wasn't feeling good. I wasn't excited about the work that I was doing, and I kept feeling like I just had to work harder. Someone that was always trying to be type A and always pushing and being more disciplined and working harder, and it just didn't seem to fill the gap in that hole that was in me. And that was really hard. And so I remember having a conversation with a friend of mine, and we had tossed the idea of a podcast around. He's like, you got this great voice for podcasting. I'm like, thanks, dude. But he's like, you should do one. And my whole goal was like, I just want to Feel good again. Like, I just want to be excited about waking up and building a business. He's like, that's what your podcast is going to be. It's called the Business of Feeling Good. I'm like, all right. And so it was one of these ideas where it was. I didn't feel it, but I wanted to speak it. I wanted to speak into that intention of feeling good about the work that I was doing. And it's really about two areas. It's one about documenting my own journey, because I think so often we come across as experts or teachers or we want to come across that way. But so often I think that the real magic in putting yourself on social media or putting yourself on a podcast is documenting the journey. I think it's so hard because we compare ourselves against the big names that are out there, and what we're really doing is we're seeing our page one versus someone's chapter 60. And that's a really hard exchange. And so often, I know for myself, I was really hard on myself. So part of it was I wanted to document the journey of falling into this pit and falling into this valley where I didn't know which side was up, and then hopefully bringing some people along for the journey as well.

I am so glad I asked that question, because there are so many people that listen to my podcast that.

They don't necessarily feel like they're walking their talk. Right. And I am somebody that walks their talk. But I also love what you just said about, like, I just want to feel good. And even though maybe I'm not in that right now, I want to speak to it. And I want you to know I have a lot of male listeners as well. And so what you're saying, I'm sure, is resonating with a lot of them right now, especially with the climate the world is in today. I mean, we, as a collective, this did not discriminate anyone, that the reality that life can turn on a dime has hit everyone. And I know that's happened in your life more than once. And I love, like, I love the name of your podcast even more now because of what you just said. So let's go back a little bit, please. I know that you were with one network marketing before I met you, and you had tremendous success. Tremendous, like, shot to the top. And, you know, and I also know how you were raised and what was expected of you to do for career and that culture, and you completely went off the grid with that. So let's start there with, like, you know, you and I, you're a little bit younger than me, but our parents, you know, were raised in a different time where you do the thing, you stay with companies for a certain amount of time. You go to school or you just stay where you're supposed to be. And you and I both broke that. How was that for you, first and foremost, to go against mom and dad and say, you know what? That's not for me. This is what I'm going to do. And then to be in the weird subculture that is network marketing. And it's so bizarre. It's like. It's so weird. I don't even get it sometimes. I love it. Obviously, we both are thankful for it, but it is bizarre, especially for introverts like us. Yeah, but how did you go off intuition? Because you as an enneagram6 can kind of overthink the hell out of shit and, you know, have like 10 different spreadsheets for like the choose your own adventure of what could possibly happen.

Yeah.

And for you to go off the cliff and say, you know what, mom and dad, this is what I'm going to do. And then to absolutely crush it, like, what is the thought process that. And we're going to get into this because you've had to do this more than once. You're like on Jason Liu 3.4.0 at this point, right?

Yeah.

So let's go back to Jason 1.0 when he's like making this decision to do this and what was at stake for you and going through your head? Because I know a lot of people listening are about to pivot and they're terrified of it.

Yeah. So I will say that. So I'm Chinese American. I'm fifth generation Chinese American, and I grew up very American in a sense. So, like, with my great, great grandfather immigrating like late 1800s, I've been here for a while. And one thing I'm really grateful for is the fact that my parents were very. My mom was an educator, my dad ran a furniture business. And the whole philosophy around it was, A, you can't mooch off the government, B, you can't mooch off your parents, and C, you have to love yourself. Like, those are the three lessons my mom imparted on me. And so I had this very Western philosophy of take care of yourself, invest into yourself, love yourself, and do the thing you really want to go do as my backbone. And I don't think if I didn't have that seed planet that I would have been as trusting in myself that than I was. I mean, I'm surprised to this day that I made the decisions I did. With that being said, I came from a family that my cousins went to. Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Carnegie Mellon. I mean, you name it, they went there. I had one cousin that went to Stanford at 16 and got his doctorate by 22.

I ended up at UC San Diego. I was the black sheep of the family.

And then I dropped out at 20 because I was reading entrepreneurship. My dad handed me Rich dad, poor dad. When I was young, I was reading Think and grow Rich. Like, those were my books. And I showed up to college and I'm like, where is the entrepreneurial class? Like, where do I learn about running a business? And they're like, we don't have one. I'm like, what? Like, that's what I want to do. Like, I want to learn how to build a business. And so I can remember it was March. I was like six months into it. I thought I was going to go into veterinary medicine. I was going to play with puppies and kitties. I was going to follow the path that my parents wanted for me. And I can honestly remember going to the vet hospital. They did like a snip snip for like a neuter and a spay. And I was like, that is. That is the end of my network marketing or sorry, of my veterinary career. Like, I did not have the heart for this one. And I remember wandering around and then I literally got like, it's the horror story of network marketing. I got ambushed. Like, I got like the amp shouldn't say Amway ambush, but it's like the Amway ambush. Friends are like, come hang out. We're going to this party tonight. And I was super shy, I was super introverted. I'm like, sure, whatever. And I like, we piled in this white hatchback Civic, like four of us in the back of it, and we drove from UC San Diego over to USD, which is about like a 40 minute drive. And I remember going there and like on a chalkboard, like the chemistry chalkboards that you would flip. Someone drew for me the first compensation plan. It was like long distance paging Internet access. And I was like, I only need 10,000 customers to make $10,000 a month. And it's residual and it's passive. And I was sold. Like, I was, I was that kid that just like the lights went on. I'm like, oh, crap. Like, I can do this. And so I joined network marketing when I was 18. I think I failed for the. I didn't make Any money for the first four and a half years, Like, I made no money. We were in a company that had no. It was called the Free Network. It was literally free to join. Like, there was no money. Like, it was insane. We signed up people on long distance service and it morphed into a nutrition company and everything else. But when I was 20, I dropped out of college because my dream was to go build this network marketing business. And I lived in my parents. Like, I lived it, went back, moved back home, dropped out of college, had an uncle that, like, vilified me in front of like 200 people at my cousin's wedding. Like, can't believe you made this decision. Screamed at my parents, like, how could you let him do this? And yeah, it was rough going when I first started, to say the least.

That is something that is so amazing. First of all, that at that age that you stuck in it as long as you did, even making no money. And you and I both knew, know that this network marketing thing, if people don't make a million dollars in five seconds, they say it doesn't work. But you hung in there and you still took the shit from family. You still, like, we're living at mom and dad's house. You still had the stigma of, like a college dropout, like, all the things and you. And you weren't making any money, but you believed in it and you stayed in it. So when did the switch go off? Where all of a sudden, now Jason is making some money and it's like, oh, shit, this is. This is good. I like this.

So I had an interesting conversation the other day with someone about process. And we were talking about how I swing a lot less these days. And maybe you can read into this from my number six loyalist perspective here, but the pendulum swings a lot less these days and less extremes. And what I mean by that is this gentleman came up to me and he said, you know what? I'm in this course. I'm learning how to build a business. And he literally disappeared off the face of the earth for three weeks and no call, no show, no nothing. And he reached out to me and he's like, I could really use some help. And I was like, what happened? Like, where are you? And he talked about how he was in his room reading and writing and digesting and analyzing all the possible outcomes. And I can so relate to that, because when I started an entrepreneurship, my control over all of it was knowledge. My control over the situation was being able to equip myself to handle any situation. I didn't like being wrong at the time. So I disappear and I'd show off. Like, I'd disappear for three months at a time, which is horrible in a network marketing business. But I would be reading. I literally would have books on top of books. When I couldn't afford books, I just show up at Barnes and Nobles and read all day long at Barnes and Nobles. And that was my education in terms of business development, personal development, growth, mindset, all those things. And I think the shift for me at year four was I'd finally read everything I possibly could read. It was shut up or put up type of a deal. And it was. I finally had enough belief in myself to put myself out there. And what I've noticed over time for me is that I've had people tell me to change my process, and I can agree with that. But I think there's also something to know your own process of how you get through your own shit. And for me, that was always comforting. I always go back to education when I'm in it. And even right now, in this most recent pivot, as you know, I leaned back into education. This time it was coaching. This time it was classes. This time it was coursework. But the same is true. I find that if I have a problem that I'm facing, whatever question I'm asking myself, whatever problem I'm coming across, it's typically because I can't see it from the right perspective. I shouldn't say right, but I can't see it from a new perspective. And so often what education does for me, personal development, personal growth and coaching does for me is it allows me to see it from a different perspective, maybe a higher plane. It allows me to turn the mirror just a little bit and see beyond my problem. And so when I told this person that reached out to me, I said, look, if this is how you process and this is how you know you're going to get through stuff, lean into it. No matter what anyone else says, you are your own unique individual and you handle problems in your own way. And for me, that was mine, especially during those first couple years in entrepreneurship.

So I hear what you're saying, and I'm the same way. Not necessarily with education, but the way that I process things. You know, I can kind of go, because I'm an eight and I go into. My friend Tiffany calls. She's like, you're in that 5 zone, which is where I go when I'm under stress or whatever. But I also know that people will say, well, this is just how I process things. This is how I do things. And then they still don't have the movement they want. Right. And I'm all for doing what works for you, but on the other side of that, there has to be a shift. Right. And you've always done that. So like you saying that is true. However, I will say this. Like watching you do what you're doing today.

Usually your way of educating yourself is alone.

Yes.

The fact that you are in a group of people publicly with this group, taking guidance from a coach who's very different than you.

Yep.

And. And you're in it. Like, I love the fact that you still are going to education, but it's from a different perspective and with making yourself enough uncomfortable. But because you are more introverted like me, like, I'd much rather work solo and kind of be in my little bubble. But I love the fact that for you to bring your gifts and you know, like, I know that, you know, you have these gifts inside of you and they're not coming out into the world the way that we all need them. Like we all need you. And the fact that you. Yes. Are going back to education, but in a little different way.

Yeah.

So what would you say to the person that will say. Because, I mean, I'll call bullshit on people all the time and they say this is just how I do things. I'm like, well, how's that working for you?

Yeah.

So you do that. You obviously went into your little bubble for a few months, did your own processing education, sitting at Barnes and Noble, and then you come out of that and then what. What changes between before the bubble and after the bubble that the shift happens where you had the belief in yourself. Because you and I both know that sometimes too much information will actually paralyze people. Not to use the muscles that it takes.

Yes. So to touch on the initial kind of four years in network marketing that I didn't make any money and I was more or less processing is not the healthy way that I'd recommend people doing it. And like I've said, as I've moved forward, especially this most recent pivot, I've learned to shrink that time down. And the difference for me was really twofold this go around. And I'll somewhat answer the initial question here. So I knew, and you touched on this coming out, that of network marketing, the second go around, I knew that fulfillment wasn't going to come from a bigger paycheck, bigger stages, more status, more money, any of those things. It just wasn't going to come that Way I had played that tune to its last note, and it didn't make me any happier. That's not to say those aren't important things, but at this stage, it was about fulfillment. Career, for me was blending what was going to be important to me with what I did on a daily basis. And I knew that I had to unleash my gifts, talents, and abilities so I could help other people unleash theirs. Like, that was what I knew was lighting me up. I just didn't have the courage to do that. And two things made a big difference. One, yes, education. But education from a coach that had been further than I had been to pave some of the way. So at least as a 6, I had some framework. I at least had a sturdy bridge that I knew I was going to cross, and that was big for me. I love security. I love certainty. And while this wasn't a certain move, at least I could say, if this person's done it and I like the way that they've done it, at least I have footprints to follow. The second thing that made the biggest difference was I was someone that always saw the wall. So I had a mentor of mine really early on in sales. He was like, jason, if you want to sell something, he's like, you have to go. He's like, think about it like karate and breaking a board. He's like, if you aim for the board, you break your hand, but if you aim through the board, you break the board. And that was a really profound statement for me because when I came across challenges, I would always hit the wall like I was aiming for. And by that, I mean, I would only focus inward. I was always worried about, but what are people going to say about me? But how are they going to judge me? How is my family going to receive this? What are all the people in network marketing going to think of me? Did I leave it? Am I ungrateful? Did I turn my back on them? Like, all these thoughts churned in my head, and it kept me paralyzed. And that phrase of breaking the board brought me to the new phase, which is when in doubt, focus out. And I realized what I was doing was I was not. What my goal was was to impact and to teach and to share what I had gone through. And what I realized was, yes, I got to hold on to the victim perspective. Like, I got to not take responsibility for my outcomes. I got to, like, say, oh, it's not my fault that I don't have a successful business. Oh, it's not my fault that I'M not out there sharing my gifts of the world because it's someone else's fault.

But by telling that story, what I really did was I robbed myself from the life that I really wanted, that my family deserved, that the people that I was connecting with need it. And when I began to focus on that story of who can I impact not about me, but who can I really change when the intention was to go out there and truly change other people, it shifted. It shifted in a moment. Like it shifted everything completely. Because all of a sudden all those stories were no longer important. It was about taking what I had learned. An imperfect, vulnerable, non finished product that I could then deliver to someone else. Because I saw eyes light up. And it only takes one person's eyes to light up to be like, shit, I've got something.

Okay. I don't know who else needed to hear that, but that was beautiful. Like the whole analogy of like focusing on the board, but on the other side, like the through the board. Holy shit, that was good. So you can all write that one down. That's a golden nugget. And it's true.

And I love the fact that you are led by fulfillment. I think that what's happened in the world in 2020, people's perspective of what's really, really important has changed too. And like what you said, I mean, I've had millions in the bank and grateful for it, but it's not necessarily the most fulfilling stuff I've ever done. Right. Even. Even in transformation and helping people transform, there was something like I knew there was something more. And I know a lot of people that are listening right now, they've been comfortable.

They'Ve done the things. It's good. Good is the enemy of great in a lot of ways. I've been there, I am there in a lot of ways, which we talked about earlier. And what, what advice would you give to that person? Because I know there's a lot of them listening right now, that they're, they're still afraid, they still have got the story of what people might think or they're carrying the burden of. I mean, you're, you're the man of your house. And for the male listeners, specifically that. And you and I have had private conversations about how that feels like to not be providing the way that you want to or, or you feel guilty because you're being led by fulfillment. But at the end of the day, you still got to keep a roof over the head, the heads of your beautiful wife and daughter and all of that. So for Those people that are feeling the burden but the calling at the same time, what would you tell them?

Wow, there's a lot to unpack in that question. It's a great question. Tracy. I think that.

To kind of touch on the initial half of the question, which is it's so easy to stay in. Good. I think that I've got a helicopter going everywhere.

Welcome to California right now. What I was going to say right now is that.

One of the things I learned really early on, let me see if I can articulate this properly, is that sometimes the pain of what we know right now, the pain that we're with day in and day out, there's comfort in it. We know it. It's like a well worn pair of jeans. We put it on every day. We know it's painful, but we know that pain. And sometimes the pain of the unknown, that big question mark is greater, the fear is greater. There's so many more unknowns in that space that we stay where we're at because, well, while this isn't perfect, it's not bad, especially when there's money coming in. There's like network marketing has been this amazing vehicle that's provided me the ability to choose. And this is one thing that I'm credibly, it's given me time to choose, but the problem with it is it's also given me. It's. It's an amazing first world problem, but it has also given me the ability to sit and wait and when. And the thing that I always thought was I'll do it when I make a little bit more or I'll move once I hit the next milestone or let me help this person get to that next rank advancement and then I'll move. Right. There's always things to do do. But what I found was that if you really take a step back, we live in this incredible place. I always thought that abundance meant making a certain amount of money. You had to make six figures. You had to make multiple six figures. I mean, and that's not to disparage. If you're making $20,000 a year, $50,000, that's incredible. I'm not disparaging it at all. But I tied my self worth to the numbers that I made. And because of that, I always thought that I was unworthy if I didn't make that. And that's how I'd show up in my family. I'd show up to my wife unhappy, I'd show up to my daughter unhappy. Be like, no, we can't Buy this, we can't afford this, or we can't do this right now. And it was always like this, lack, lack, lack, lack. And I had a profound shift in how I looked at things, especially when Covid hit, because all of a sudden, the world got rocked. And there were so many people that were in so many challenging positions, close friends that were in incredibly challenging positions. And what I began to realize that was abundance was a lot like love. I've been someone that's been very fortunate to have incredible love in my life. My wife, my daughter, my parents, my friends, just like you, Tracy, that have had this unconditional love. And even when they're not there, I know that they love me. That has been internally grounded in me, and I've been blessed to have those presets, but I didn't have those presets when it came to money. I always was running towards it. I was trying to grasp it. I was always feeling like I wasn't a good person, a good man, a good human, if I couldn't provide for my family. And the shift for me was to look at abundance and to look at money, especially in this landscape right now, the same way I look at love. Not I will be abundant when I have, but I already am. And to embody the idea of abundance was a very scary thought. Does that mean some frou frou, like, I don't have to go work? No. What that does mean, though, is that everything I need, I actually have. I have food on my table right now. I have a roof over my head. I have an amazing family. I get to take them. I don't get to take them over around the world, but I get to open up a book and read. I get to take them on a journey across lands and seas and to spaceships and to wizards, and you name it. Because I get to pick up a book with my family, and we get to go these places. All those things that I think I need money for, I already have. It was just my way of viewing it. And I don't know if this is connecting or not, but that shift freed me. That shift allowed me to be in a place where I said, we may not have everything to the wildest dreams of where we want it to be right now, but we have everything we need to start. I have everything I need to begin this journey. But I have to have the courage to step up. I have to have the courage to try something. And trust me, when you set your North Star on something.

You will always find a way. You might look in your bank account, like, I don't have the funds. If that is truly your North Star, you will find a way. If you knew that your loved one was in a hospital, you had to come up with the money. You would come up with the money in a heartbeat. It's when you set the intention of like, I'm going to go do this. I'm going to get off my butt no matter what. Because I believe fulfillment, happiness, all those things I want are on the other side of it. You will find a way. And it's scary. You're never ready. I always thought decisions came from a happy place in a moment. No, decisions come from the pain and the shit and the life just kicked the shit out of you and you're getting back up and you're like, I am worth more. I'm going to do this again because I believe in myself.

This is probably my favorite interview to date. Honestly, like, that is so powerful. And I think that, you know, I needed to hear that. I needed to hear that in such big ways because, you know, in, in this whole thing because I've made tons of money and it's been great and done things and had experiences and, and I gotta say, like, in the quiet times, like, like now, like, even if I wanted to go somewhere, like, the world is telling me I can't and I don't like that. And so, yeah, I have the books and I have the people that I love and technology, where I could look at you and SM and feel your energy and all of the things. And I love what you just said about that. And when we make our North Star known and like, it's not going anywhere, no matter where we go, it's still there. And to keep focusing on that. And I think that, oh, wow. I don't even know what to say to that because it's so beautiful. It is so beautiful. And, and a lot of people are listening to that right now and probably just like, wow, that's so beautiful. And then you know they're going to walk out their door or step out of their car after listening to this. And the reality of what life is is going to have them wavering in that. So how do you keep yourself from wavering from that North Star vision? Because I know that you can get in your head. I know you. And as a six, it's what you all do.

So I think the sexy term right now is like, what's your morning ritual? What's your.

None of that ever worked for me. Like, I've read, like, you know your 5:00am like, your. Your. Like.

It'S. For me, it never worked. And I've been. I mean, I've read everything under the sun, and I can't say that I'm perfect at this practice now, but I have something that's a little bit different that I got introduced to by a different mentor. His name was Nick Pat. And he had me wake up and do this practice. And he started this practice with a friend of his. And it's something that I'll pass on to you guys because I think it's worth. I think it's worth practicing. It works best if you have an accountability partner for this. And it starts off, there's two parts to it. The first part is I honor my word. Because so every day I wake up and I write in my journal, I honor my word because. Or if you're not a journaler, go to voice message on, like, Instagram or whatever it might be and send this to a friend. I honor my word because when I honor my word, I show up as the best version of myself. Or when I honor my word, I get to make the impact that I want to make when I honor my word. Whatever your statement is, just why do you honor your word? And I think so often we allow ourselves to slide on our own bs. We allow ourselves to off the hook, like, no one's watching. I said I was going to do this, but I'm not going to go do this because no one's watching me. But just to center yourself around the idea of why you honor your word is number one. And number two is.

This changed everything for me. He said your to be list determines your to do list. So let me explain that. If you choose what you're being, how you show up as an individual, it then determines your to do list. I was someone that had like 50 things on the to do list. I've got to email this person. I've got to respond to this podcast. I got to do dm, this person. Just whatever, right? It was stuff that would keep me busy. At the end of the day. I felt like crap because nothing was fulfilling. The shift for me was saying, I'm going to write three things down. For me that this is how I want to be today. This is how I'm going to show up today. And I know this might sound a little frou frou, but it was like, I'm going to show up joyful, resourceful, and powerful today. Those were my three words today. Joyful, powerful, and resourceful. And because of that, you Almost take on the mantle and throw it on. Whether you feel it or not, whether you actually are like, I'm powerful today. You have to show up that way. You have to take that kind of. That cloak, throw it on, and feel like, I am that. And you come into situations completely different. And I'll give you an example. Like, resourceful was one of the words that I put on my list a few days ago. And I told you later this. We're in the middle of COVID right now. My wife cooks for a living. Our freezer breaks down in the middle of it, and I'm like. I literally have that moment where I'm standing in front of the freezer. Everything is melting. Like, my daughter is there literally, like, holding her mouth underneath the freezer as the popsicles, like, drip out like water. And I've got this, like, I'm red in the face, and I'm like. Like, just like, I'm pissed, right? Because it's like, I got to call Amdibo. Someone's gonna. I was like. And I have to like. And then I literally went, resourceful.

I'm a resourceful motherf. How are you gonna make this happen?

But then you look at the hilarity of it. Like, I'm staring at a melting freezer with ice cream, and my daughter is licking, like, frozen ice cream. It's hilarious. Like, there's nothing wrong with the scenario. Like, the. And all of a sudden, it just goes. Like, all that anger just goes. And I'm like, okay. Like, we have a broken freezer. Cool. And it's like, okay, well, we've got neighbors. We've got mom and dad. We've got people nearby. Throw what we need in there. Call Home Depot. You know, they show up. Two days later, we've got a freezer. Again. Like, it was done, but I had to stop myself in that moment because, you know, what happens to people is they have that off moment.

Mm.

And then the whole day goes that way, you know? Like, and then you. Then you bang your knee and you stub your toe, and you step in dog poop. And it perpetuates, and people are like, well, I didn't make that happen. But from your. And I work, we know that your ras. Like, it locks in on whatever that beingness is. If you always see the world like, I'm gonna have a crap day, then that's exactly what you get. That person that always says, I'm gonna be clumsy. That is exactly what happens to that person. That's not to say that you know, look, you're taking responsibility for like natural disasters or what is happening to the world right now. No, but that does mean that you get to choose how you show up in those examples. And if that is the case and you're in a crappy place, you are responsible for how you feel. You are 100% responsible for the situation you are in because you get to choo. Whether you look at it through the lens of who do I get to help or woe is me, scarcity or abundance, you get to choose that lens and don't forget that power. So while I have compassion for people that are wallowing in it because I had to wallow in my own for a while, you also have to recognize if you're listening to this conversation that you are responsible. That you have the choice to go over to your journal right now to grab a pen and say, I am going to show up these three ways because my beingness will now determine how I show up for my family, for my kids, for my business, for my spiritual connection, whatever that might be.

This is so good. And it's so funny that you brought up like the morning rituals and stuff. And every time I hear people, you know, start talking like I turn into Judge Judy. Like the aid in me is like, are you fucking kidding me right now? And I'm not minimizing that. Creating new habits and patterns aren't beneficial. But if you don't get to the source of why you need to do that, it's not going to be sustainable. And what you said is so true about like honoring your word because. And when I noticed a shift for me that was sustainable and actually felt good and produced not just abundantly financially, but also produced abundantly in my heart space, in the fulfillment and my health and the people that I started to attract in was when I had some non negotiables for my own word on the things I was going to do that nobody really knew about that I could bail on in a second and nobody would know. And then once I knew I was going to keep the word to myself, then I was like, okay, I'm gonna put the other toe in and then build an accountability partner from somebody that I actually respect and trust and that I know because my thing as an 8 is that I don't trust that anybody has my back. And in fact I won't let anybody have that kind of responsibility because they could fuck me over at any time. Like, that's how I've lived my entire life. And so my cautiousness and fear comes from that space where yours is certainty, insecurity and things like that. But once I started keeping that word to myself, then I brought in somebody that I actually know would have, like, would take a bullet for me in a second. And there's like maybe five of you in the world that I know that I could absolutely ask of that. But I think that that's so important. And when I look at my life, and I've got almost five decades at this point, and the times when I would go into the woe is me, it always got worse when I would be in woe is me. And doesn't mean that bad things don't happen to really good people, because a lot of the things were out of my control. There have been a lot of things in my life, and I know in your life and many of you listening, that weren't fair, that wasn't right, that wasn't your fault. But you have. I have. Jason has 100% responsibility on what we take that take from that experience, from that pain. And, you know, the last decade, I would say anything. I mean, I've had really fucking hard things happen, specifically the last 18 months. Like, the hardest things I've ever been through have been in the last 18 months. And knowing that there's something beautiful that will come from it, even if it's my own healing in private, that is gut wrenching that allow me to, you know, take steps forward to find that fulfillment and to really help people make that shift. That I know that we're all here to do. We weren't just here to have great experiences. And some of it's to love. I think a lot of it's to love. But a lot of this, the whole reason I believe we're here, is to make an impact in the world and for the generations that follow us and the legacies we leave behind, not just monetarily, but in the soul space. And I think that that's what you're doing and what I'm doing. And I think that as hard as this first half of the year has been for so many people, myself included, this is not fun. I don't like being told that I can't go somewhere, and if I have to go somewhere, then I need, no, I don't want to wear a mask. I don't want to. You know, I get that. But I think that moving forward, people are ready more than ever to say, okay, now is the time to pivot. And I know that you are like, that's your zone of genius, because you've done it so many times. Even at the young age of 38, you've shifted probably four or five times, three times since I've known you. And I know people are like, okay, I don't know where to go. I don't know who to trust. What is the niche? My good friend Tiffany says the riches are in the niches. And what is my niche and what is my zone of genius and how do I do that? Where a first and foremost I'm fulfilled, can make an impact, and two can provide for my family at the same time. And that is your zone of genius. So where do people come and find you and experience the brilliance and wisdom of Jason Liu?

Oh, thanks. The best way to come find me, by the way, is to come find me on Instagram. So it's jasonlu Lew. Find me on Instagram, send me a dm. That's the best way to reach out to me. I love by the way, I love hearing from people. So if you took anything out of today's episode, by the way, and you have a takeaway, DM me, tag me like, I'd love to hear what resonates and what kind of sits with you. That's just one of my favorite things to do anyways, when it comes to kind of this most recent pivot out there, what I began to realize was.

I think that we all like to go back and help a younger version of ourselves. That's what I kind of find. We find people along that journey, except maybe a bit more polished, maybe more well read, maybe with better income, better choices. But we like to help some sort of better version or older version or younger version, I should say, of ourselves. And what I was struggling with was coming out of network marketing. And it had been my career for 19 years. Two companies, two seven figure businesses. And I was at a place where I felt really guilty that I wasn't happy because we're you. And I spoke on a stage in front of, you know, 15, 20,000 people. We were training and we. It's an incredible game lifestyle. It is. It has taught me everything I know about business. It has put me in a place where I learned to speak and to train and to impact and to figure out what's happening. Like, network marketing gave me all the gifts. Really, it did. It was the backdrop that pushed me to be who I was. But I got to a point where I felt like I had done everything I wanted to do and I really thought I was. When it went sideways on me, when the income started to shift in a Downward direction for me. I thought I'd find that gear. Like, I'd be like, I'm just gonna kick butt again, because it's always happened. But it scared me when it didn't. And I began to realize that I was more or less addicted to kind of that adrenaline that, like, I gotta make it happen when my back's against the wall. And it was scary when that didn't happen. And I realized I had to find something new. And I was really lost. Who was I without my rank advancement badge? Who am I, right? Without speaking on stage, who am I without this emblem of this company that I stand behind? And it's not to say I don't stand behind that company, but who am I outside of that? It was like this loss of identity for me. And maybe I think I speak both to men and women, but a lot of men identify who they are on their self worth, to their career, to their job title. And it was in some ways very freeing. And in other ways it was very damaging because I had attached my self worth to it. And so I ended up finding and seeking out a lot of mentorship people that had done things that I was looking for. And I think a really great line, if you are in a place where you're trying to figure out how to get out of a hole, or you're trying to figure out what your next move or pivot is, is look. Look for what inspires you. Because what we see in inspiration is what we believe to be the best version of ourselves. When music moves you, when speakers move you, when a business is like, that is incredible. When you have that, like, joie de vie, that feeling of like, that's what I want, that is your soul kind of saying, hey, look, that is where you want to go. Maybe not be that exactly, but there's something in what that person is doing that inspires you. And what you're seeing is the thing that you love most about yourself. Now, I'll share with you the flip side of this, and this is a tangent, but I'll share with you the flip side of that is that when we find people that really piss us off, that we really get angry with, and I'll speak only for myself here, is that what I'm seeing are the things that I don't like about myself 100%. And that understanding, that knowledge that what I see in others is what I love about myself and what I see in others that I don't like is what I don't like about myself, was a really great Guiding Light, because it allowed me to say that is, I don't know exactly where I'm going, but at least I have a direction. At least I know I want the ball to go over the fence. At least I know there's a basket over there that I'm aiming for. And that was kind of the first step to start walking and really what it's turned into as a business, because I've had network marketers, I've had people in the fitness industry that are pivoting right now that are like, I just lost all my gym clients. I can't go to a gym right now. Or I have people in network marketing that are like, I always wanted to make a move, but I don't know what to do with these skills because they're like, I can't take it to corporate. I don't know. I don't want to build another network marketing company. Like, what do I do? And it kind of spun from there. So I've had a course called Hidden Genius. And the idea behind it is to tap into what makes you you. To take that expertise and literally in 12 weeks, turn it into a fully fledged business. Show you how to launch a course, how to launch a business, how to create the marketing, how to rebuild your following. I mean, all the fun stuff that go into it. And I literally hold your hand every step of the way. And it's been transformative. Not only has it ingrained a lot of the lessons that I've learned, but it's also allowed me to test out what works and to really see the results people make. Like, it's so cool to see when someone launches that never thought they would have a course and they make a few thousand dollars on their first launch. To make $10,000 on their first launch, that is crazy to me. And then to get paid to go do that is even crazier. So, anyways, yeah, if you have interest in it, come find me, come check out. I can tell you exactly what I do. And we can definitely, definitely set up a call if you have some interest. But that's me right now.

I think what you said, for everybody listening that isn't sure what they would be good at, what they would do, what they would like, what is it? We're all having these moments right now because we see how life fragile or how fragile life can be. And whenever I'm asked, I do a lot of private coaching. And it's stuff that I would never. I'm not one of those that gets on Instagram or shares all the ins and outs of everything I do. To a fault. Like, to a fault. But when people are telling me, oh, my gosh, like, why? Like, you changed my life, like, why do you do this? And every single time, my answer is always the same. First of all, you changed your life. I was just a messenger. But the reason I do what I do and why I'm so passionate about what I do is because I would have died for me 25 years ago.

Yeah.

I would have died for somebody like me to show me the way 25 years ago. And when you talked about that younger version of yourself.

And you're right. Like, the people that I find are. Almost every single one of them is 28. Like, when they. When I ask them how old they are and they say 28, I'm like, of course you are. Because that was when I first made my first. Like, I need help. Yeah. So for those of you listening, I want you to think, like, I. First of all, I want you to reach out to Jason. And you guys know I don't endorse many people, but I trust him with my life and your life. So I encourage you highly to reach out to him. And before you do that, I really want you to think about yourself maybe 25 years ago. And for those of you that are only 25, then think about maybe, you know, when you were a decade ago and what you really wish you would. Who do you wish would have been holding your hand? Because that's your zone of genius, and you have the hindsight of who you are today. And the most fulfilling work I do is helping that version of myself in different packages, in different wrapping paper, different people, places, and things. And that is where our secret sauce is. And I love the hidden genius. Like, that is what it is all about. So find Jason. Jason, I love you.

I love you, too.

I really love you so much.

This is my favorite interview for sure, and I think it's probably the most valuable one I've ever done. So thank you for, like, guys, I didn't lie. I told you, like, like, brilliant wisdom. Like, unreal. You are magical, my friend. And you are here for mighty, mighty, mighty things. And I have a feeling we'll probably share a stage sometime, somewhere again before we're done here on Earth. Somehow.

I can't wait for that. I can't wait for that. I know. I'm just. I just want to say really quickly, I would not be here if it wasn't for you. Like, genuinely, like, you came into my life at such an amazing moment in time and you've been been with me through dark times and good times and there's not enough money or time or anything in the world that could make up for that. So I just want to say thank you and I'm always here for you.

I appreciate you so much and it is very comforting to know that you're in my corner because I don't allow many people there. So I'm grateful that you're one of them there. And you guys go find jasonlu Lew on Instagram, tell him I said hi.

He is a man of his word so when he says he wants to hear from you, please do. And if you loved this episode, screenshot it Tag us both. Tell us what you got out of it. We can't wait to hear what your hidden genius is. So go out, share it. Become Bulletproof and until next time, we'll talk to you soon. Thank you for tuning in to the Becoming Bulletproof podcast. If you learned a thing or two from our show today, it would mean a lot to me if you shared it and tagged me so I can hear exactly what landed on your heart. This will help me to bring you even more episodes with the topics and guests you want. Please head over to itunes and leave an honest and loving five star review. If this made an impact on you, you can find me on Instagram traceyomalley and I have tons of free resources for you@tracyomalley.com as always. As always, if you are wanting to ignite your purpose, profits and build your legacy, it's time to stand on the front line of your life and do the work. Let's Become Bulletproof.