87: Betting on Yourself and Going for It with Julie Ciardi (enneagram 7)

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Welcome to the Becoming Bulletproof podcast. I am your host, Tracy o'. Malley. I'm a mom to millennials, an author, Enneagram expert and multi million dollar entrepreneur, and master performance and business coach. I've gone from rock bottom to building a bulletproof business and life. If you're looking for the unfiltered transparent truth and ethos, an extra kick in the ass, you will discover that here. Each week I'll be bringing you success stories of high level entrepreneurs as we discover how they became bulletproof and created their empire. You'll learn the story behind the glory along with Enneagram inspired truths so you can ignite your own purpose, profits and build your legacy. It's time for you to become bulletproof. Buckle up. Let's go.

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Becoming Bulletproof podcast. And we're going to talk all about, like where the rubber meets the road and when the time comes where you have to bet on yourself or everything you've always known. And I know with the world the way it is. So many of you have been presented with the fact that holy shit, like I put all my eggs in one basket. I thought I was doing my own thing, but really I am maybe even a prisoner to a company, an organization, a path that maybe you thought was for you, but you've come to realize with the perspective shift that comes with something like what's happened in the world, which nobody could have predicted and it didn't discriminate against anyone. No one was immune to this. But there's a big, huge whopping gift in that, in that kind of season of silence, or like everything coming to a halt, where your perspective and what really is important to you can change. And I know there are so many of you ready to take the leap, whether that's jumping into network marketing, whether it's leaving your corporate job, whether it's starting your own business, whether it's just saying, screw it, I want to be a stay at home mom or a stay at home dad. I think that perspective change, although it's very uncomfortable when you're forced into, can be the greatest gift. And I know that that has been the case for me even in the most uncomfortable times. And for my beautiful, beautiful friend and guest, Julie Ciardi. I love her. She's an enneagram7 and she did exactly what I'm talking about. Not in the times that we're living in now, but she did it. A few years back, she walked away from a vice president of marketing job at a Fortune 500 company, no reason other than, you know what? It's not what I want to do anymore. And, you know, she had to face people that would say, are you freaking crazy? Have you lost your ever loving mind? Are you having a midlife crisis? She also has a husband and a family that are saying, okay, you made a lot of freaking money, and when is that going to get replaced? And I know for so many of you, these are the very things that you're faced with when it comes to saying, you know what? I believe in me and what I am here to do, and you've got the squad behind you who cares about you, but they're out of concern, saying maybe that might not be the thing to do, right? And I remember eight or so years ago when I was kind of faced with that decision going back to what I knew for 15 years or trying something completely different with absolutely on paper looking like there was no way I was going to be successful. People that loved me telling me, you know what? You might want to try a real job instead of this entrepreneur thing. And at the end of the day, and still to this day, I know Julie will hear from her and myself, at the end of the day, you got to be able to stand in your own truth and say, you know what? My money's on me. So, my dear friend Julie, welcome to the show today.

Oh, I am so excited to be here. Tracy, I am a huge fan, huge lover of you as well, and that was an amazing introduction because now more than ever, this is the time where we're going to have to bet on ourselves. And I cannot wait for this discussion today. I know it's going to be so valuable, and I'm just so thankful to be here. So thank you.

I just got goosebumps as you said that. So that means we're going to drop some really good gold for everybody today. So I know you're listening out there and you've got this burning desire. You know, there's this. This burning and calling inside of you that maybe you've kept a lid on for very long. And, you know, Julie, I know that that kind of was the case for you. How long ago was it that you were sitting at your vice president job, you know, with the probably the very fancy shoes and the pretty office and the expense account? What was that moment like for you that you're like, you know what? This just isn't for me anymore. What was that like for you?

Well, of course, as with anything, it was a series of things, right? And not just one moment. And I can still remember Tracy, this is crazy, but I can remember I was the overachiever and had my first full time job by my senior year of college. And I can remember all anxious and excited and I'm going to rise the corporate ladder because I honestly thought that was the only option out there. Entrepreneur, like, what the heck is that? It wasn't even something I even knew about. I remember sitting in the little dark cubicle that was 21 maybe, and this woman who was this lovely receptionist came around the corner and she was older woman, and she's like, why are you here? I was 21 years old and I was like, what do you mean, why am I here? She said, you don't want to live your life in a cube. You were meant for more. Now, this woman had only known me. That was the universe, right? That was someone coming in and putting a seed in my head that there was something else. So the seed was planted very early on in my career, actually. And I can remember flash forward to, you know, 10 years later and I'm pregnant with my, my first child. I'm in this Fortune 500 company, I'm trying to get to manager to then hopefully get to the next level exec and the whole thing. And I'm pregnant with her, I have her, I go on maternity leave and I'm like, I don't want to go back to that. I don't want to go back there. And I started. This was 2003. I started looking at franchise opportunities and what could I possibly open and create. So this was like, in my soul, like burning in my soul that corporate wasn't where I was supposed to be. I was supposed to be doing my own thing, but I didn't have the guts at that time. The risk seemed too high for me at the time. I was married to my first husband who risk and change was a big no. And so I just kept burying this thing. I kept burying this, this voice inside of me saying, there's a higher purpose here. You're supposed to be doing something else. And it kept getting louder and louder. I have two more kids, divorce, get remarried. You know, all climbing the corporate ladder as I go. But I have to tell you, that nudge, that voice just kept coming up. And when I finally hit the vi, president of marketing and got to that role and it was just this empty feeling, which really was awful because I felt extremely guilty that here I have three kids, three beautiful children, I am now married to the love of my life. I went through that hard time. And you Know, we've got this beautiful home, and we're going on the vacations. Things are good. How dare you feel empty? How dare you feel like there's supposed to be something more here? And so it just haunted me. It just kept haunting me. And, you know, the universe jumped in and kind of made the decision for me in that the company that I was with, who decided to change their entire workforce, location, structure, basically put me now in an office two hours away from my home, which meant I'd be in the car for four hours a day, five days a week. I have three children, a police officer, husband. Been like, that was not happening, right? And that was. That was it. I was like, this is it. I have to leave. I have to make plans to leave. And it was the scariest, scariest thing. And we can go into a little bit of, like, the mindset and how to. How to cultivate the courage to make that leap. But I really believe as I kept ignoring the nudge, I kept ignoring the voices, I kept ignoring my soul. And then it finally came to fruition by the time I had turned early 40s, and I wish it had been way earlier, but universe thankfully jumped in to say, hey, it's now or never.

You're gonna.

You're gonna do this thing.

I think something that happens especially with not just women our age, but people our age that have some, you know, experience and wisdom under our belt. You know, both of us are, you know, closing in on 50 here soon. And, you know, I like to call them like, these God shots and. And God could be just good, orderly direction. But it's one of those things where I've learned that when the nudges come, if I don't really take it seriously, I'm going to get a wallop up upside the head. That won't be fun, convenient, or without a lot of pain. And I'm going to have to be very reactionary. And so I think that's something that comes with wisdom because I think when we're younger, we do think we're actually bulletproof and, like, nothing can ever affect us. And then life happens. And, you know, I know there are so many that, especially with what's kind of gone on this 20, 20, that people are taking a magnifying glass to the things that really light them up. We've spent more time with our families and people we care about, and some of us may. Some people may be like, yeah, that's not. That's not working. You know, we're seeing that too. So when you're sitting in that office with all the things and the great vacations and the pretty house and the great kids and the love of your life, and you're not happy.

What is. How do you even bring that conversation up? You know, I'm a single mom, so I don't really have to report to anybody, which can be a blessing and very scary at the same time, because it's like, if it's to be, it's up to me. I got no backup.

And I also know the challenge because I've been married, too, and I know the challenge when you have to make a group decision and what that looks like. And especially with a husband who is a police officer is looking at you like, are you fucking out of your mind right now?

Out of my mind?

Yeah. So what does that look like in the home?

And here's the thing. I mean, Tracy, I was the primary breadwinner. I mean, we bet and put all the chips on my career, right? And so I was the primary breadwinner on top of all of that. And again, you rise the corporate ladder, your lifestyle rises with it. And so the kids got really used to a certain lifestyle. And just like you said, that right now probably caused this moment for a lot of people of reassessing, reevaluating what's important. I had that moment four. I guess it was almost five years ago, four and a half years ago, where I was like, wait a minute. I am working this hard in a toxic environment that I don't feel fulfilled in. Yeah. Making great money, crazy money for what? This house, the vacations. That's not the meaning of life. And so I first came to terms with, hey, wait a minute, we could take a step back. For me to then be able to take massive leaps forward in a totally different direction. But it's going to have to require taking a step back and really realizing what's important. So going to my husband with my plan, because, you know, I have the plan and because I was doing the enneagram, like, definitely I saw myself in the threes with a three, but I am not detailed at all. But I do come with plans. Like, I have the plan. I just don't love executing totally on the plan.

Well, I was going to say, like, knowing that you're an enneagram7. You know, you guys can just bounce from thing to thing sometimes. But, like, the good news is, is for a seven, under stress, you kind of take on, like, that OCD part of the one.

Yes.

So at least you do have some, like, structure, a Little obsessive. But. But, like, thank God a little bit. Like, thank God a little bit. Because as a seven, you can be like, eh, fuck it, I'm gonna go do this. But you also got a strong eight wing and a strong six wing, which is like troubleshooter. So you come into the hubs with a plan.

With a plan. And the plan is, so we're gonna sell our house.

Can't put it down. I talked to an accountant, and the accountant said. And I loved it. He said, you know what? It's not about how much money you make, it's how much money you keep. And I was like, okay, all right. We've got this crazy big house. Why? We're not even using half of it. I am handcuffed to this job or to a job like it for us to maintain this. At what cost, right? At what cost? And so I had the plan. I said, look, you know, I truly believe that I can do my own thing, but it's going to take time. And for me to do that, we're going to need to dial it back. Dial it back. And so that conversation was not easy. He definitely bought into the belief that I had in myself at the moment. Right in that moment, he was with me. He's like, all right. Like, yeah, you know what? You've been successful. You have a proven track record. Like, I have faith in you. I believe that you can do this. And so, you know, he was actually pretty supportive up front in the selling of the house. And he didn't. He felt like it was an albatross around our neck, too. It's like, why have this big thing? He was totally on board with that. That had to convince the teenagers. You know, that was another story. That was another story. But you know what? We ended up downsizing. We reduced our taxes and mortgage by 60%. 6. 0. Wow. And we moved into a house that we liked even better. I had my measuring tape out measuring the kids rooms. And I'm like, they are the exact same size as their other rooms, and they live in their rooms right now, so it really doesn't matter. As long as their rooms are awesome, we'll be good. So we take this big step back, but here's where the trouble started. So we take the step back. Everyone's happy, things are good, but I'm still at the corporate job, right? I make plans to take the leap and did that. Made the leap in July of 2018, where I fully left the corporate job. And I knew. I knew I had talked to enough entrepreneurs to know that this was going to take time. It was going to take time to make even the minimum amount a month that I wanted to be making, never mind getting anywhere near what I was making in, you know, in the corporate, you know, salary gig, right? And bonuses and all that stuff. And so I knew it's going to take time. But family, my husband, I mean, it became, to be totally, like, brutally honest. It was rough. I mean, we're talking tears, like fights, not feeling believed in, you know, and that I. We talk about becoming. You talk about becoming bulletproof. The work I had to do to stay so clear on my mission ahead, despite all of the noise and the fighting and the almost feeling like your spouse was disappointed in you, right? Because here I am, and I'm, like, learning. I am trying to launch my business. I'm, you know. You know, I never use the word failing. I would. I would launch something, it would go okay, but it wouldn't be great. And then I would launch this and not that great. I couldn't get to this repetitive income on my own. I had a network marketing business, and that gave me a consistent income. But I was launching my own thing, right? My own business. And I was figuring it out. And it took a solid year. I mean, a solid. Actually, a little bit. 14 months. 14 solid months of trial and error, testing things out, seeing what stuck, learning. But of course, in that timeframe, was not making anywhere near the money of corporate yet. And it was really, really hard when you even. You're living with someone in the same house and you feel like they don't believe you're going to actually do it. And are you going to just have to go and get a job now would be the feedback I would get. So now think about it. Think about, like, you're gearing yourself up. You put your heart, your sweat, your blood, tears everything into launching a new offer, right? A program. I was so excited, put so much time and effort into it, and I actually had a $10,000 launch. I was so flipping proud of myself, Tracy. I was like, yes, okay, we're onto something now. And my husband had seen how hard I work, and he's like, 10,000 what now? And it was like. Like just, you know, a dagger to the heart because I had worked so hard. But he. What I learned, very like, in the hard way, I would say, is that I was actually trying to get support and validation from him, and I shouldn't have been. It really had to come from myself, and then also from surrounding myself with others that, you know, have either been there or are going through it as well, so that they could say, oh, my God, you had a $10,000 lunch. That's incredible. Great job. Oh, my God. You know, and that validation and that support from a community of people that have been there and they know what the heck I'm talking about. And so I would say in the course of this journey.

The lack of support from. And it was. I hate to even say lack of support. A lack of understanding.

Right?

He did support me, but he was frustrated, and I understand. I mean, he was probably worried.

You don't know it, you know, and unless you've done it and been in it, it's really hard to wrap your brain around.

Is. And I get that.

And so developing that. Rock solid. And I say rock solid. I mean, you're gonna have, like, holes in it at times, right? You're gonna. But I know how to pick myself back up. And I feel that one of the most incredible parts of this journey post corporate is knowing I'll always be okay. I will always find a way. And developing that belief in myself is as big of a win as developing the business that I've been able to build over the last two years.

I think something that you just said. You said a lot of really great things.

You know, the golden handcuffs are a real thing. And I've been, you know, as a single mom and the sole provider emotionally, physically, spiritually, and financially, I know how strong that grip can be, especially when the weight is on you.

And then, you know, I don't care how loud it gets, like, in the quiet moments, like that part of you that is saying, but there's more for you. And what you're doing now doesn't even hold a candle to what is in store for you. And you have a very supportive partner. And I know there's a lot of you out there that do, and then there's some of you that don't. And how I love the fact that you said you were looking for validation and approval almost from the people, which is so common. I think that's more common than not. And I think that is 100% the biggest thing that holds people back. Or they will have the $10,000 launch and be so proud of themselves, they'll come home and. Or to even a friend or whoever. And it's like, what now?

What?

And so often I see that take the wind out of the sails of beautiful gifts that you're supposed to drop on the world. And I know for a second, even when it's meant for concern and love and don't want, like, I'm sure your husband didn't want you hurt, you know, whether it's financially or even emotionally by that. How do you stand in that resolve and say, you know what I mean? I know what I did when that was said to me, I said, grab the popcorn because it's going to be fun to watch, like. And I had, I didn't have the track record you did. I was like, fuck this. I, you know what? My money's on me. Get the popcorn. Because in a year from now, you're gonna be laughing.

Yes. Well, I love that you had that. I definitely did not have that. My. I. I had to really work on it. Yeah, well, I had to really work on it, and I would have ups and downs with it. And I think that it was actually the realization, though, that this is. And it's so funny, Tracy, now that I'm thinking about it.

You actually had a. You hit me right where I needed to be hit. Almost a year ago, we met for the first time in person in Arizona in October. We're almost coming up on a year. Isn't that crazy? And when you spoke at the event that we were at, I was like. Because earlier in that event, I was actually crying to the women at that event that my husband wasn't supporting me. I'm really. It's all kind of coming, like, like, very clear. And I, you. Then you spoke, when you spoke about being bulletproof and that it's on us, I was like, oh, yes. I had been working hard at trying to be tough and trying to really bolster that belief that, yes, of course I'm going to be successful at this at some point, but I still just had that constant in my ear from my husband, like, we're not making. Not making enough money yet. You might have to find a new. Another job, maybe get a job part time while you're trying. He just didn't believe that this could possibly get to the kind of revenue and income that the data job was, was. Was bringing in. And when I heard you talk, I think that was part of when I really, really solidified for myself that I. This was on me to believe. And so what I had to do and this really helped me. And I still do this. I don't lean into it as much as I did kind of end of last year, beginning of this year, but I really take the time to very clearly, like, write out what I'm working towards, what that result is, what am I building, what are my Goals. What are my dreams? Right. That kind of. I'm sure many of your listeners have heard people say, to do this, where you're kind of writing your. Kind of your top five to 10 things down as if they've happened. And I leaned into that really hardcore. I visualized on it, I believed on it. I'm going to have my notes, my whiteboards everywhere keeping me on point. But when I realized that no matter what happened, if I had a lunch and it wasn't as great as I wanted it to be, or I became unclear, I.

Really bolstered that belief in both myself and that this was up to me. The destiny here, where this is up to me, it's not up to whether. Whether Joe, my husband, is like, yes, $10,000 is an amazing lunch, or he was like, what now? It doesn't matter. It was still going to be 100% on me to believe and to actually accomplish it.

One of the beautiful things about an enneagram 8, which is what I am, is we pretty much just handle everything on our own. And that's also our downfall as well. So even when I was married, I kind of always had that kind of bull in a china shop, like, I'm gonna freaking crush whatever it is. And that sometimes left a lot of casualties. But I remember the moment, for me, it was about almost eight years ago now, when everything about my life kind of blew up in front of me. And I had just started in network marketing, I had no friends left, and I wasn't married, and the person I was with just rolled out of the driveway never to be seen again. And, you know, I remember my kids, who were teenagers at the time, looking at me, and they're like, bracing for impact, basically, and looking at me like, what are we going to do? And they actually said that. And whether you're married or not, have a partner or not, single kids, whatever. What Julie said is so important, like, because even if you have a partner, I'm just going to be real with you. They could die tomorrow. They could die tomorrow. Things like, if 2020 has taught you.

Anything, mine really could. He's a police officer. Yeah.

If 2020 has taught you nothing else. Life can change on a dime. And it's not saying you don't build partnership with people, because even if I get married again, I'm going to build a beautiful partnership, and I can stand on my own two feet. And I remember looking at the kids as they were bracing for impact because they knew how I kind of coped with shit before. And it Wasn't always pretty. I always got it done, but it wasn't pretty. And I looked at them and I said, listen, I have no idea how I'm going to make this happen.

But I kid you not, I know why, and it will. I just need you to believe in me. And even if you don't, like, just. Just know that I got this and nothing's going to stop me. And we're going to do it with integrity and love and compassion, which is not how I used to do shit. And I remember all of a sudden, watching them exhale, and they're like, okay. And even when they didn't understand it for that first year, because they didn't, all they saw was mom, like, you know, on the phone and doing this and doing that. And I remember bringing them in and kind of saying, okay, this is the process of what's happening right now. This is the vision. And now we're taking the windy road. I have no idea how the twists and turns will go, but this is the grand vision, and I've got this. And I know that if you're listening right now, and maybe you have a supportive spouse that doesn't understand, or maybe you don't have a partner like I do right now, or you have kids, or like, what the hell? You're disrupting our life. You have to be able to stand in yourself and say, I know this is going to go the way it is. I know that what I was put on earth for is to serve a greater good. And this is what it looks like. And when we help enough people get what they want, whatever your zone of genius is, you will have ridiculous amounts of what you need. And so as you stood in that resolve, Julie, and you know your husband and teenagers are like, mm, mom, okay, how did you get up every day? Because I know that's what holds a lot of people back. How did you get up every day and say, you know what? I know what I'm about to do, even after that event a year ago, because it's been great to watch you kind of evolve in all this. And it's so beautiful. I'm like, hell yeah. Go, go, girl. But how do you stand in it when it's in your own home? And even if it's loving, yeah, it's such a challenge.

But here's the thing. And this is. I mean, I am sure why so many people end up falling short of the goal line, right? Because something like this comes up. Either they don't have that support, or they keep trying. And they're not getting where they want to get to yet, and they stop. And I think for me.

There was no safety net. It was, there's no way I'm going back to a day job. Like, it is not happening. I will not do that. And the funny thing that happened was my husband was like, well, why, why don't you at least look for like a consulting, like do a marketing consulting for a company. I mean, that was what you were doing, like. And yes, I totally could have done that. Right? But I was all in that. I was building my own thing and I was going to make it work. And I didn't want to work with companies. I wanted to work with women. I wanted to help women and achieve their dreams, not help a company make more money with marketing. Right. And so I actually did just start to put some feelers out there. Reluctantly, but kind of like to tell me, hesitant. But I knew, like, there was no safety net. There was no. I knew the worst case scenario was I would have to go back to a corporate job or a day job. But I had pulled that option out from under me. When they say we burned the bridges, you know, like you burn the boats, I mean, I. That was not gonna be an option.

Okay, so I have a question about that. I have a question about that because I, I mean, not everybody. I operate best like this. You clearly do. There are some people that can go off half cocked, burn the boats, and then they end up in a worse situation. But the difference between burning the boats with a plan versus just saying fuck it and burning the boats is a very different thing. Right? And I think that even though you technically sort of kinda had a safety net with a partner, because a lot of people like, yeah, but you have a husband, right? I used to be one of those bitches that said that. Right. But if you have the mindset, and I found myself in this the last three years because I'm doing pretty good. And good is the enemy of great, y'.

All.

Like, when you do actually have a safety net, you have to really mind fuck yourself into believing you don't. Because I know as long as I kind of like rest on my laurels in this good and that safety net, I will never live into the potential I know that I'm here to do. So how did you convince yourself that there is no safety net, there are no boats coming to get me, and just go all in?

Well, you know, it's so funny. You just reminded me of a piece of the puzzle and that was that. Earlier this year, Big, you know, you said you kind of get hit in the face, you know, and like kind of go that, you know, you get hit and you go, oh, yeah, okay. I had gotten actually a little too comfortable on my network marketing business. So because I had had this money coming in from the network marketing business side of things, I really, was I really putting the full effort into my own business. And but in looking back over the whole course of 2019, no, I wasn't. And so I had this safety net that was, yeah, wasn't going back to corporate, but the network marketing business was great. But it was still, I had a big vision of what I wanted to do with my own company. And so I kind of got too comfortable. I really, you know what, I'm doing okay. We're doing okay. I've got this money coming in every month from the network marketing business. And then all of a sudden that went away in January. And I truly believe that happened totally for me. And it was that catapult to then truly burn the boats and go forward in my own thing because I had to at that point. So the company that I was with ended up, you know, as can any company. I know you talk about this. I mean, a company is still a company. Whether you are a network marketer in that company or you are an employee in company company, you're still at the mercy of what they choose to do. Right? And so they chose to make a pretty big business model change and it ended up cutting leaders like myself salary. Not salary, but our pay by 50%.5 0. And that was a hit, let me tell you. Yeah, that was a hit. I was like, oh my God, like now what? Like, I can't tell my husband this now too. Oh my God, right? Like, what are we going to do? And so I care, remember? That's when that's truly though, when I decided that we are all. I am all in on this. And. And it worked. It worked. I 10x my business.

Isn't it fascinating? I had, you know, I had a coach and I don't trust many people as you can imagine, but I knew I was kind of playing the same game because I don't have to do shit. I could be 48 and I've worked my ass off my life and I can do this, but it's what keeps me up at night. Because I know that your experience, my experience, it was not for nothing for us to be in our late 40s kind of just kicking back.

Like we got a lot of life.

To live and a lot of Wisdom to share that it would be selfish to keep it, but that good being the enemy of great. I love. I mean, I've had some things happen within my network marketing business that's like, huh, huh? And I always turn the mirror around and look at myself, like, always. And exactly what you said. Unless it is your name on the wall, you are at the mercy of someone else. And at the end of the day, in 2020, who are you going to put your money on? And now is the time more than ever. I believe I'm emotionally unemployable, so I really don't have a fucking choice. Like, I really, really, really don't. And if that's like pulling the safety net more than anything, like, the thought of going and getting a job, like, oh, my God. Like, just.

I just shuddered. Yeah. Oh, no, no.

Like, no. I mean, I would, but. And I'm not knocking those of you that love your jobs. I'm just. I've never been equipped for that. So I know people are listening to you right now, and they relate so much, you know, because you've been a single mom before, too. You've lived both. So have I. I did. So have I. And you know how hard it is. And you've got teenagers, which are hard, and. And all of that. And, you know, you've had the golden handcuffs and you've got the wisdom, and it's like, oh, shit, now what? Where. Where can people go to learn more from you? Because I know, like, I love listening to you constantly. Like, I learn from you. And I know there's many listening that want to learn from you too. So where can they go to learn more about everything that you're talking about?

Oh, well, thank you so much for that. And I. I'm a big. You're a giver. I'm a giver. I love to give information for free, helping people. Because I was there. I was back in corporate, not knowing how I was going to make this leap. So one of the best ways, I have a podcast, Ignite youe side Hustle, and it's really to help people with how to do just that, how to create these side businesses to eventually maybe make that leap, right? And then I also have a free Facebook group. It's called the side Hustle Igniter Squad. And it's a free Facebook group where I teach. Every Tuesday, I come in and I teach on a topic, whether it's marketing or sales, social media mindset, all of those things necessary to grow your side hustle. And you can either look that up on Facebook or you can go to juliecardi.com group and I would love to see people in there and help them because I was lost not knowing where to go when I first started. So I. I would love to connect with people there.

You guys. You know, I only bring people I actually really like and respect. Like, seriously. And this woman, I would stand behind a million times over. She is the real freaking deal. Class act, full of integrity, knows her shit. And I want you guys to go follow her, go to her Facebook group, listen to her podcast. It's amazing. And you know, if you loved this episode, I would love to hear now. Julie would too. Like, what, what is it that you got from this so that she can continue to bring more of what you need and I can too. Julie, I just think you're amazing. It's such an honor and pleasure to meet you, know, you, learn from you. So thanks for being on.

Thank you so much, Tracy. You're the best. And thank you for what you're doing. You're helping so many people. You help me. You helped me so much. So thank you so very much.

You guys go follow julie@julieciardi.com what is your handle on Instagram?

Julie Siardi? Yep.

All right. Easy, easy peasy. You guys go follow her. Julie, I love you, girl.

Love you too.

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