EP166: Client Spotlight: Terra—The Rollercoaster Ride of Being an Enneagram 4

Welcome to the Leadership Formula podcast, where you will learn the secret sauce behind achieving massive success. I'm your host, Tracy o', Malley, multimillion dollar entrepreneur, your Enneagram expert, master performance coach, and mom to millennials. Do you want deep, meaningful relationships to wake up every day with purpose and make money doing something you love? Well, you've landed in the right place. Every week, I will teach you how to get exactly what you want in life by strengthening your emotional intelligence. Using a combination of the Enneagram framework, live life coaching sessions, and real talk from yours truly. It's time to transform yourself into the ultimate leader of your life.

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All right, you guys, it is going to be an intense few minutes here with us because you have the two most energetic, intense, misunderstood Enneagram types on this show today. You got me, of course, the eight. And I am bringing you one of my favorite, favorite people that I've worked with. She is an enneagram 4. She was mistyped as an 8. And we. We even still, like, weren't positive for a little while. I mean, she's very intense and fiery, and we're a lot alike. We're a lot alike in a lot of ways and then very different in others. But the 48 combo is like a whammo for sure. So buckle up. It is going to be intense and energetic and beautiful and emotional and loving. And when you hear with this beautiful woman that came into my life, gosh, about eight. Was it eight or nine months ago? I don't even know. It was like the end of last summer. And I believe the timing of the people that show up to do some work with me, they really help me. And the work with Tara has been game changing for me as a mom, as a woman, as somebody in recovery, as somebody who has faced health challenges, just as a human being. She's the mirror for me in a lot of ways. And she lets me see how far I've come and how far I still have to go, because we're all here until our time's up on this journey called life, to completely explore and unpack who we are and our divine appointment with this life. And she is a beautiful example of resilience, tenacity, grit, and a willingness to do the work to be the very best that she is. And I'm excited to bring this conversation with you. Who knows? We're both anything goes kind of girls. And because she's a four, she can tell and talk about things that a lot of people might not want to and because I'm an eight, I love that shit. So if you are somebody that maybe struggles with vulnerability or emotionally expressing yourself, this will absolutely be a great conversation for you to listen to. And if you are a 4 and 8, you might see the inner workings of maybe why things go sideways for you like they do for me and Tara. So. Hi, Tara.

Hi, Tracy. Thank you for having me.

Oh my gosh.

She.

By the way, you guys lived the RV life for almost a year, wasn't it?

We actually just hit our two year anniversary.

Holy shit. Can you guys. And she's got three kids and a husband and it's crazy town, it's amazing and you know, it's all the Pinterest crap online. And you know, the Instagram RVers. It isn't as pretty as it looks all the time, but I know that you wouldn't change it for anything. And our work started while you were on the road, right?

Yeah. Not only did our work start while I was on the road, but that was where I was first introduced to the Enneagram. I was at a kind of full time families, that's what we call ourselves, kind of the Mecca in the winter in Florida. And this was a hot topic around the campfire and that was when I first learned about it. And of course where everybody sat around trying to type each other a big.

No no by the way.

And I understand why, but yeah. So we're finishing up our time on the road. We've been living in a 42 foot fif wheel for the last two years. We launched from Castle Rock, Colorado, just south of Denver and are unsure where we're going to land, but we're ready to get some stability back underneath us. But thanks to this life, we really are looking forward to going back with a sense of balance that we didn't have before. You know, you kind of learn what you want to bring with you and what you want to leave behind on both ends of our journey. So we are excited to go back into a house but still have travel be a large part of what our family does and who we are.

I love that. And that aside, I think that that's great for all of us that time spent. You don't get time back. It's the one thing that it's priceless. It's so important. And then with COVID and all of that, having that valuable time together was so important. But it was in the middle of this, about a year into your RV life, where the Enneagram comes. I'm curious how you found Me. And then what about where you were at in your life? You raised your hand and said, you know what? I need help and I need you to help me.

Yeah. So where I was in my life was in a constant state of feeling broken and unfinished. And I'd been doing a ton of personal growth over the years, you know, big name personal growth, people and experiences, and never felt like I was finding what I was looking for. Kind of a clarity. I was always seeking some kind of profound clarity and kind of circling back around to why I picked you. Part of the reason why is when I found you, I had just hit my three year sober mark, and I really was excited to work with somebody who had that experience and, you know, knew the brain of an addict and could just come from that, that place of empathy and understanding. I also love that you had direct sales experience, because I am in a direct sales business. So when I first found you, honestly, my primary goal was to grow my business and to keep ranking in my company. We. I'm sure we'll talk more about that. The other thing was that we both had a history of breast implant illness, and so I knew that you understood chronic illness, and that was something that was playing a huge role in my life and in every aspect of my life, from my business to parenting to being a wife. So there was so much that we had in common, including what I thought to be my Enneagram number because I was mistyped in eight. So I felt like all the stars were aligning and I was supposed to work with you. And now I can absolutely see why. And I'm so grateful for it. It's been such an awesome experience.

Likewise all the things that you said. It's like when we know we can speak the same language on all those aspects. Even though you have a great circle in your life, there's something about being seen, heard, and understood in all those components at the same time that is super valuable. And I think that's why my time with you was equally as powerful and helpful for me, because we checked all the boxes other than the Enneagram type. That being said, I mean, you have eight energy, for sure. Like, for sure. Like, you're dramatic, intense, you can be aggressive, which is a good thing, you know, and also, like, you're kryptonite too, sometimes, right? But when we were talking that first time, I was like, wait a second though. I think you're actually a four. So how did you receive that? Because a lot of times when we get our heart set on a number, and I'VE said this to other people. Like, if there's a type that absolutely. Like, yes. Like, yeah, I'm that. Like, it's usually not your type, because our main type is not the one that we feel really great about. It's the one that go, oh, crap. Right? And a lot of people get mistyped as an eight, and they're like, yeah, I'm strong as shit. And usually eights that find out their eights are like, oh, boy, oh, boy. How'd you feel about being a four?

Okay, so this is funny. I actually. I don't know if I ever even told you this. In our time of working together, I didn't want to be an 8. And the reason why is because people kept saying to me that they were very intimidated by eights. And I've always been told that I'm intimidating. And I've always been told that, you know, I just have a strong energy. And at the time in my life, I was trying to pull away from that because I was being perceived by people in a negative light that didn't resonate with the character that I wanted to become with my integrity. And so I saw eights as this really domineering, intimidating, aggressive, all too knowing and too powerful number. So I was honestly ashamed of being an eight. So when you told me I was a four, what I knew about the four was this, like, beautiful boho. You know, they love all the ambiance and the beautiful things, and they're soft and motherly and angelic and like goddesses, because that is how A4 had been explained to me by friends. And it had a perception to it that people seem to like more than they like to be aids. So I was happy, but I thought you were full of shit.

There is no way that I am a four. And I went back and I read through the Enneagram test that I had took from the Enneagram Institute, and I read all the details of the aid, and I pulled my husband and my kids into the room, and I read all the characteristics, and I was like, you guys, don't you think this is me? And they were like, yeah, you know, it sounds like you. And then you. And I started diving into what a four is, and I started researching, you know, using my five wing, I think that is. And really looking into what a 4 was. Because if I'm going to identify as something, it's important to me to really know what it is. And, oh, sister, you could not have been more spot on. I feel like I am a four through and through, especially now that I am, I hope, more in a healthy four state than I ever was. As I was in that stressed out, unhealthy 4 range. I did look a lot like an 8. And it makes sense to me why to a lot of people. And when I took the test, I came back and ate because that shift into the healthy four looks a lot different. Yeah.

And the thing about a 4 as well, like, even though your growth number is the one, and we'll get into that, when you're with people that you're comfortable with, sometimes you can take on the unhealthy parts of a one, which an unhealthy one can look very eight like, as well. That rigid, like, you'll go to the ends of the earth to prove you're right, which an eights won't necessarily do that. But I find it like eights and. And fours. They. They do. They're both very intense, but differently. There's a difference between intimidating versus emotional. You are definitely a more emotional person. I am definitely a more domineering person, for sure. And I think that's what a lot of people pick up on. Fours and sixes can both do this. Like, the sixes that are more counterphobic can mistype as eights as well. And so the beautiful part about that is, like, you know, you come from a background that is very similar to mine and stressful and a lot of neglect and abandonment and things like that. And I think the four in you can go to that emotional, self absorbed, it's all about me kind of thing. And I mean, that was. You know how I mean that. It's with love. I mean, we all have a component of that. But unpacking that and, you know, we can behaviorally look at, like, other types. I was mistyped as a three, and behaviorally, I can look like a three third freaking days. I wish I was one because, you know, there's that. But when we're under stress, we can mask up, right? And I think a lot of that aggression was you under stress, you with some stuff that needed to be worked on and. And pulled up by the roots to address so that you could be that creative, artistic, happy, boho, because you are that. Like, I see that completely, but because so often you are presenting to the world like, I won't let you hurt me. I won't let you hurt me. I won't let you in. It can look very 8 like. So what was your first aha moment other than like, oh, shit, you'd know what you're Talking about when you first thought I was full of shit. Then we realized, oh, shit, I am a 4. What was the first, like, exhale moment? You're like, okay, this feels like home to me.

I know. The biggest moment that changed everything for me was our first meeting. And I can't say that it was like, I feel like home. It was that I am in the right place with somebody that is not going to let me get away with hiding and is going to make sure that I am showing up to playful out for the next 12 weeks that I worked with you. I debated whether or not I wanted to share this today, and I absolutely do. Because if there's somebody else out there that it can help, I want to be vulnerable enough to talk about this. But, yeah, I mean, the moment that I'm about to tell you was the most profound moment of our 12 weeks. So much so that I didn't even talk to my husband about it for two months. I wouldn't tell him about our first session because I was talking to you that first day, and you said, what do you want to talk about today? I love that I get on sessions with you and you really let us lead, you know, with wherever the emotions are heavy or wherever we want to go that day. And then, you know, you guide and direct. And that day, I happen to be struggling with some emotions around my oldest daughter. Will not cry. Will not cry.

And I was talking about again, still thinking that I'm an 8, that you just need to suck things up and have a backbone, and that I'm trying to raise these strong, bold, warrior young women. I have three daughters and that I need to teach my daughter to be stronger and to have more of a presence for herself, to be her own advocate more. There was a lot more to the conversation. But I will never forget you saying to me, do you think one of the reasons that you are so upset with your daughter is because she is safely living the life that you were never able to. That she's safely able to show up and talk about her emotions and be whoever she is in a safe place. And you never had that and still lights me up with chills. It was such a powerful parenting moment. It was such a powerful human moment. It, for me, was the moment that I said, all right, she's not playing, and I'll put you there.

Yeah. No, it's one of these things that I think we teach what we need to learn the most. And I think that's why the time with you has been so powerful for me as well, because I am constantly learning about myself as we go. And it was my experience with my daughter 22 years ago that it was that exact thing. Like I had this rage and wanting to control and she was four because she got this experience that I didn't get and I was angry about it. And the four in you absolutely was making it about you. But it's so subconscious sometimes and I think like when people raise their hand and like I got some work to do but we don't realize the work that's there because it is so subconscious and ingrained for decades for you. So that being said, how has that moment change between you and your daughter moving forward? Because she's not a four, she's not an eight at all. And understanding that some of your own stuff's being projected out, how do you navigate that today?

Well, a couple ways. Another huge thing that you did in our sessions that helped me was putting a picture of my four year old self as my backdrop on my phone. Just so weird.

So woo and shit.

Who is that on your phone? Is that one of your kids? But it's a constant reminder that I don't have to come from that 4 year old place or that 14 year old place or that 16 year old place, that my daughter's life is different than my life was. And we created that. My husband and I, we broke a lot of cycles and I think that that's our responsibility as parents to heal our own trauma. And that has been part of my work with you, it's been part my work in recovery and over many years of personal growth. But the other thing was learning her enneagram. I'm 90% positive she's a 2, so she's just very soft hearted, always wanting to be heard and to feel seen and where for me sometimes that's hard to tap into that place because as you said, I did create a lot of my own chaos. I did make a lot of things about me that I get to practice that softer side of myself to show up and be better for her and for my other two daughters to stop taking myself so seriously and just be a safe place for them. And you know, a lot of times as parents we want to come in and fix everything for our kids but sometimes we just need to be there to hold space. And that's a beautiful gift for anybody especially, especially as a parent. So being able to come from that awareness which was the smack upside the head, that was exactly what I needed, has shifted mountains between not only my 16 year old, but it's taught me how to handle things differently for the next two. And how awesome is that?

It is amazing. And you know, I'm a mom of two that are 23 and 24. And you know, I fucked up a lot as a mom, I'd say the first half of their life, you know, innocently, you know, we always all do the best we can unless we're a sociopath or something, which I am not. But the one thing I always did, even at my not great, was I knew very clearly my kids were not like me and they will not have the same experience as me growing up. Like, thank goodness. But the thing that they tell me today that is the greatest gift of me being their mom is they always felt like they could be whoever they were and I didn't try to make them like me. So that is one thing I did get right. Thank God. That being said, you know, with her being a two, you know, a four when they're under stress look like an unhealthy two. And I think that's where you two really trigger each other as well. Because a two in a health growth pattern can go to a four. So like, you model like her at her best and she models you at your worst sometimes. And it can be. Especially when your mother and daughter, you know, I have that same dynamic with my son, you know, the 8:2 thing. And I know that's what was so bothering you about trying to toughen her up too, because she does model some of you when you go to the dark side. What about your stress number? That unhealthy two do you see in your daughter sometimes or you recognize about yourself today? That's like, ah, that's the warning light. It's not permission to beat the shit out of ourselves or our own kids. Right? But it's like the warning light of like, I am under complete stress and I need to do something. Now. What do you do about that today?

Well, for her and myself, there are two clear triggers. One is over giving and one is resentment. So if I see either one of us going to a place of over giving, which then leads to resentment because I'll go to the place of, well, don't they notice that I've done all of their laundry? Don't they notice that I've cooked every meal? Don't they notice xyz? And then I get pissed and go to a place of, you know, feeling like I deserve more and that they, they need to treat me better and that I'm being taken for granted. And for her, she's the same way. I will, I will notice that. And so for both of us, it's those two things, the over giving which then leads to resentment, which is when.

You can look like an 8. Honestly, that resentment can bubble up and as a 4, you will be explosive if it gets to that point. So that's where like that, hey, look, guess what? I'm an eight. No, you're not. Okay, let's talk about the wings a second because I've told people our core type is kind of like our astrology sign. That's not changing, right? You can't change when you were born in your astrology sign or whatever. And take with that what you may. It's just kind of an analogy here. Like that's not changing. And neither does your core enneagram type. And quite often I think so much of what's out there for enneagram and those that give you information, they don't tell you this part, like how that gets expressed can change, but your core type doesn't. And so often we fixate on our core type that we miss the miracles in the other four types that are kind of connected to us. And a lot of times our core type isn't the right star for the show. It's the one we know the best. But sometimes we need the supporting cast. And I usually like to say the wings are like your supporting roles, like they're the unsung heroes of your fourness stepping into its most beautiful parts. Because A4, left to their own devices will be a little all over the place and a little emotional and a little dramatic and a little self absorbed and me, me, me. And although that's really important when you're being creative and expressing emotions and things like that, it isn't always the right time and place. And so the wings really can come in and support the most beautiful aspects of your four. And so as a four, on one side, you've got the three, which is the achiever, which you clearly can do this in business. You are a get shit done kind of girl. That's all. You're three wing for sure. Because the four left to feeling like it, they won't do shit, right? So you need that three wing to say, hey lady, we got a goal, we're going to hit it. Now take that creative ass of yours over here and let's just make this happen. Right? But then on the other side of you is that investigator, which I think you use a lot too, right? This research, the building a case, when the four wants to Be a little dramatic, explosive, and let people have it. You've got the investigator saying, oh, yeah, I got the case. Here's bullet points. 1, 2, 3, 4. How do you use the wings in a healthy way today?

I think you're right. I'm definitely more five wing dominance, I think. And I know that my five gets used a lot in any kind of decision making. So it used to drive my husband crazy that I want to know all of my choices before I make a decision. So I walk through the farmer's market and I won't decide where I'm going to buy broccoli that day until I see the broccoli at every stand. And I'd like all the information, all the details. I want to do all the research. And knowing that about myself now and being able to tell my husband that, that has allowed him to understand me more. And the five also helps me. Like you said, fours are very feeling. I've always called myself and felt very intuitive. I make so many decisions based on my gut instinct, how I feel the emotions of the situation. And when I know I'm in a healthy four space is when I'm also using that investigator side of me to bring in the logic to the situation. Or my five wing is also what we like to say in a lot of recovery groups. God is in the pause. So my 5 is my pause place as well. It's a place that I can go to and bring in some of the logic that my fourness wants to shy away from.

I gotta say, out of all the enneagram types in, in all of it, I think the 5 is my favorite, quite honestly, because of their ability to detach emotionally. Because, you know, as a four you are and an eight as I am. We're intense beings. And that five is kind of like that pause voice of reason. Now there is the dark side to the five, which we have both used. You know, that isolating, building a case like, oh, don't you worry, I got a point. A, B, C, D, E, F, G. I'm going to hold against you here, but I love that you use that in a beautiful way. So obviously, like, all this information is great, but the integration is where all the juicy parts of life come. And I love that you said when you first started working with me it was like to grow your business in network marketing. And you've been with the same company for over a decade and have had tremendous success. And you did put in a ton of work on the front end. So you are living off the residual which is beautiful. It's why we do it. Right? But you felt this pressure to step up in that. And I know some of the questions along our journey together kind of had you reevaluating what that looked like. And although maybe what you came to me for isn't what it turned out to be, how has it made an impact on not just that business, but taking that four in you and exploring what you're so excited about, moving forward. Forward.

I think knowing that I was a four shifted everything for me in my direct sales business, because, for one thing, I thought I was an eight. So I was like, I'm supposed to be this badass overachiever. Go knock it out of the park. And I was honestly struggling to do that. And when I learned that fours often feel broken, unfinished, comparison, envy, that made a lot more sense to me because I was constantly living in a state of shame and guilt, like there was something more I was always supposed to be achieving, and it was never going to be good enough. And when I evaluated my business, coming from a place that of loving myself as a four and looking at all of the work that I had spent a decade putting in and feeling worthy of a paycheck that was coming in, that allowed so much space to free up for creativity. And I know for me, and I think all fours, when you are thriving in a place of creativity is where the real magic happens in our lives, in our marriage, in parenting. And I believe in the soul work that we are here on earth to do. Like, it is impactful stuff when you live in that place. And I was not living in that place in my business before. And so since working with you, I've actually taken a step back from that network marketing side of things, because I don't feel like I have to today achieve that goal. That may change one day. And that's the beautiful thing about this business is we get to show up and make it whatever we want it to be. And right now, I'm just in such a place of gratitude and love and joy and peace for that business, and that has been incredibly freeing. And in doing so, I've been able to work in places of my brain and in my heart that is allowing me to inspire a whole nother business that you and I have been talking about. And I'm really excited about it. And, you know, sometimes I get in my head and I think, this is too much of a niche market or this is gonna fail. Perfect.

Oh, my God, it's. I can't wait to tell all of you one Day about it. Oh my God, I'm so freaking excited about it. It's perfect. Perfect for you and it's perfect for what the world freaking needs, which only a 4 could create.

Yeah. So I'm. I. All I know is that even if I never make a penny at it, that I feel in alignment. This is going to sound like so dramatic and so forth, but I feel so in alignment with my soul. I feel like I am doing what I came here to do and that right now I just want to add light to the world. And when I sit in this awesome seat, the throne of my furnace, I add so much more light to the world than when I sit in a place of envy and comparison. It's stealing all of my joy. And in this place I have so much joy, I give it away instead of trying to find it in others to come in and my rescuer to save me. You know, for the first time in business and in the day to day, I'm saving myself. That that's been the biggest, you know, accomplishment that came from my work with you is I stopped looking to other people to save me and came in and saved myself.

If I never do one more thing in this world, what you just said, like, I'm complete, my work here is done. Honestly, to hear somebody say that, and you're 100% spot on. When we are in alignment, and I hate that word because it's so overused, kind of like gratitude. Gratitude and alignment are such bullshit words that are thrown around like they don't matter. But alignment is so powerful. And I was saying, like there's no compartmentalizing integrity. And when you are in integrity with your soul, you can shine your light, whatever that is. As a mother, your kids, your daughters are absolutely seeing this. Your husband, who's very different than you is absolutely seeing that. And the beauty that you're going to bring to the world in this other business, it's way more than just what it is. It's what it will create for those of us that really need more of that in our life. And this throne of your Fourness, you are the queen, honestly of it and you wear it so well. And because of the emotional presence that you and capacity that you as a four can have, what you will bring to the world is something that is magical that only you can do. And it's been so beautiful to witness this evolution over the last few months with you. And you inspire me in ways you don't even know. So what are the blind spots? We'll kind of End with this, because I say this all the time, no matter how much work we do. You know, this with recovery, you know, the thing that I take away from recovery, and it's going to be the name of my boat one day, is called Daily Reprieve. We are not cured. We are not fixed. What we have is a daily reprieve that's contingent on the maintenance of our spiritual condition. And knowing this, I know every day I have to suit up, show up, and say, okay, how will I be my very best today? Right? And we can rest on our laurels. And, you know, all the things that they say, it's when we kind of get into trouble. The thing with us as human beings, and specifically each Enneagram type, is no matter how much work we do, that daily reprieve comes into play. And you're always going to have blind spots that are there that you'll have to look at. The difference between now and then is you used to probably beat yourself up when you would see the blind spots later, right? The thing, the gift about the Enneagram and understanding the framework of it is you can have more compassion for yourself. When you do hit a blind spot, maybe you didn't see. So I think before they, you were probably oblivious that they were blind spots. But knowing that they're there now and you're always going to have to take a look at them, what are the ones that surprise you the most? That you're like, oh, there it is. I got to see that again.

Part of it was always seeing myself as needing work, as is being that broken part of myself. So whenever I go to that place, I know that I'm in trouble. Whenever I look at other people and I compare or have envy, that that's a big one. I know that for me, whenever I use the word loneliness in regards to myself, that I am in a place that needs looked at. Because I can live in 450 square feet with four other people and still feel lonely. And that's not their problem to fix. That's mine to take on. I know that whenever I feel like giving up or procrastinating, that is definitely a blind spot of mine. I've been asking myself lately, how is this adding to my profits, my goals, or my joy? And that that's helping me instead of just choosing to walk away from something or cut people out. If I feel like somebody is mirroring something in me that I don't want to see and I have a quick response to just cut them out, I definitely have to take A deeper look at that. If I'm being hypersensitive or defensive, those are big ones for me. A fear of rejection and being left out of something. If I feel that I know that there's something deeper going on and I need to peel back some layers. I think the other big one that I mentioned earlier is if I feel like someone else needs to rescue me or somebody else has the ability to fix the situation, that I am in a very deep blind spot. And that usually has to do with my self worth and that I have work to do on loving myself and going to that place to find whatever I need to do to get there is going to be big work for me in that day. And sometimes it means not showing up to be the best mom in that moment or the best wife or the best entrepreneur, because I can't be those things until I love myself and until I get out of those blind spots, and that's okay.

Wow, that's beautiful. And I know I have a lot of fours that. Listen, I work with a lot of fours that really needed that reminder today, for sure. And just because we have blind spots doesn't mean we sucked or didn't do a good job. You know, no matter what kind of car we drive, Whether it's a $30,000 Prius or a $300,000 Bentley, both cars have blind spots. And it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with either car. It's just they're there for a reason. And it's important that we always check on those things, like do an inventory check. Right. We know that from recovery is like taking a personal inventory every day. And thank goodness you already had those kind of muscles flexed, so you know what that looks like. So I know there's a lot of people listening right now that, you know, the world has, quote, unquote, started to go back to whatever the new normal is, whatever the hell that freaking means. But people are kind of coming out of the cave a little bit, so to speak, and realize that last year exposed some things that they had kind of swept under the rug or, you know, they've been white knuckling and now they can't hide it anymore. What would you say to the person right now that is sitting here listening, thinking, I need some work to do? I don't know where to start. I'm afraid. I'm really afraid because, I mean, I am not easy, but I will not bail on you. But why do you believe people should really raise their hand and say, I'm ready to do Some of this work.

Well, I think if you're afraid, then you should definitely be doing it. I think that's the biggest sign. But I think specifically working with you is important for two reasons. The Enneagram is an important, important tool. I know that you would agree that the Enneagram is not the end all, be all, just like nothing is. But it's a tool. It's a tool to have in your toolbox. And like I said, I spent years looking at personality tests and doing a lot of growth and going to a lot of seminars and doing a lot of different things. And I find the Enneagram to be the most accurate and most applicable to life. And it shows up everywhere in work and marriage and parenting and friendship and just the day to day like, you cannot go wrong in learning more about this tool. And the second thing is you are just the one and only you. And there is nobody that is going to be able to replicate what Tracy does. And the truth is, is that if you aren't willing to look in the mirror and if you aren't willing to face some hard truths and take them on, I'm not sure that Tracy is the best person for you. But if you even think that you're close to that, you owe yourself and your life and your family and everybody around you to show up and playful out and make your life the best that it can be. And you guide someone through doing that in a way that, yes, it can be tough love, but it's also beautiful love. And it is so inspiring and life changing. And I am so grateful for the four months that I got to work with you on a daily basis. And being able to have such a access to you is mind boggling. And, you know, we all listen to your podcast and get so much out of it, but to be able to work with you one on one. There's no assistant that's coming in to do a coaching call for you. There's nobody else running interference. It's one on one with Tracy and that's priceless. Do it.

I am so excited for the future and watching all the things that the compound effect of this kind of soul digging that you've been doing and seeing the gifts that you're bringing not just to the world in your professional life, but to watch your three daughters bloom and evolve and you leading the pack for them in a way that's very different from them, but equally as beautiful. I think that as moms and parents in general, showing our kids that strong doesn't necessarily mean just stoic and like nothing hurts us, but actually where we shine most as parents is when we show them all the vulnerabilities of life Hurts sometimes. And life is beautiful sometimes. And you show me that. And I know you show your daughters and your husband that. And I'm excited for what the world can expect from you, Tara, in the future. And I'm excited to be a part of all of it. Seriously, you got me forever. I told you that already. So it's not just four months.

All right, you guys, if you love this, I would love to hear from anybody that loves or leads a four. Or if you are a four, what you gained from this. It would mean the world to me and screenshot this right now and share it. And if you want to dive deeper into the alignment of your own soul, then reach out to me here at Instagram, Tracy O'. Malley. Or go to the website tracee o'malley.com the work with me section to learn more. Tara, I love you and I can't wait to continue this journey of life with you.

Thank you so much. I love you bunches.

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