EP205: Live Enneagram Typing Session: How to Make ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, Possible with Rebecca Louise (Enneagram 7)

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All right, you guys, this is gonna be one of your favorite episodes to date. I just know it. I feel the energy. I've got a firecracker for sure in the house. I remember the first time I met Rebecca Louise. I was like, whoo. I could feel her enter the room even before I saw her. And then once I saw her, I was like, ah, well, that makes sense. I know who she is. She is in incredible. And she has raised her hand and said, you know what, girl? I want to figure out what this whole Enneagram thing is that everybody is talking about. We're in a mastermind together, and I would say probably half of the room is kind of Enneagram aware. And it was like we were speaking this extra language that, for those that were in the room, didn't know what it was. They're like, well, I want to know what this is. I want to know what this is. And I know many of you listening are either fans of the Enneagram or you've heard about it and you want to understand the language, too, because it is way more than just a cute, fun, trendy, little meme filled thing. It is absolutely. In my 22 years of personal development work for myself, the Enneagram, hands down, is the most powerful tool I've ever used. And, you know, when shit goes sideways a little bit, it is the very thing that helps guide me back. Other than a divine source, the Enneagram is a close second, for sure. And so when we were kind of in the room of our mastermind, the last time we got together and everybody was talking about it, she was telling me people were trying to size her up. What is she on the Enneagram? And I have an idea. I've got it narrowed down to, I think, three. And so it'll be interesting to hear how this plays out, because I know those of you that love the Enneagram and have drank the Kool Aid, you kind of go off and want to go type everybody that you know. And that isn't necessarily the accurate thing to do, especially if you have somebody that wants to learn more about it. If you give them the wrong information, it's like you're sending them on a journey, on a roadmap that was never for them. So I'm excited to see kind of where this journey leads us. Rebecca Louise, let the people know who you are, where you're from, what you do, and we will dive in from there.

Oh, amazing. First of all, I'm so excited. Like, I don't know anything. I'm like a blank canvas right now. So I'm just super excited to go through this experience with you. So I'm originally from England. I've been in America for 11 years. Grew up watching Laguna Hills on MTV. And I thought, one day, Lauren Conrad, I'm going to be driving down PCH in my convertible car and we're going to be friends. I do have a convertible and I do live on pch. So it's amazing, like, what starts to happen over time. But I came to America at 22 to originally get my commercial pilot's license. Something crazy had happened in London, and I just needed a change of scenery and I got my license over in America, went back to England, did all my written exams, and then realized that ultimately it was not my passion. I did not want to be driving. Driving. Basically, you're just driving a car. It's just a bigger version of a plane right around the usa. I thought, oh, my goodness, I'm going to get to travel. It's going to be amazing. But not when you start out, you know, you're just basically jumping from Las Vegas to Orange county over and over again. But I loved California, and I wanted to find a way so I could live in America. And so I got myself a work visa. So I actually just got my green card after 10 years. So it's. That's really just. It's been such a massive weight off my shoulders. And then I came to America and started. I thought, I'm going to use my British accent. Everyone's going to just, you know, snap me up. I'm going to be able to be a teacher because that's what I always wanted to be. And I realized that every British person has the same idea as well. And I really wasn't actually that unique, but got an audition to be on a YouTube channel. And that was about eight years ago. And I Got the audition and realized that my 1 talent in life is talking and working out at the same time. It was a fitness channel and I use my expertise in fitness. I was a South of England field hockey player, played sport all my life. And then my. My love for, you know, talking to the camera and always used to make blogs with my brother when I was a kid and wanted to be a TV host. And so here I was finding myself on YouTube, basically like finding my 1 talent in life, talking and working out the same time. Started making workouts videos. I worked with that company for about a year and a half and then after that they decided not to do any more videos on YouTube. We grew it to like 3 million subscribers. So it grew really fast. It took me about a year to get my own confidence, to get my own channel, but I did. I've had my own channel for six, seven years now. I've had people that have been following me for like eight years. I feel so old and then, and basically it just grew. And now I have a fitness app where we support women who want to just feel better about getting exercise in and doing in the comfort of your own home. I had a book that came out last year called It Takes Grit with a podcast as well called It Takes Grit. But the biggest thing is, is that people come for the workouts, but they leave with a changed mindset. I got introduced to personal development in 2013, Jim Rohn. And it was just like absolutely life changing. I had a mentor that took me under their wing. I was doing a lot of drugs and in toxic relationships at the time. So somebody saw something in me. And I always had focus, I always had vision, I always was hard working, but I just didn't know how to get it. And I'm just so grateful for everybody who's, who's helped me along the way, you know, shape who I am today. And so, you know, now we have merchandise and products and I've got people all around the world that like, watch my videos and like, it's incredible. And it's just been, it's just a blessing to be able to live out your life doing what you know, that you were built for.

Oh, my gosh. So would that make you about 32ish, then?

33? Yep, 33.

And when is your birthday? I'm curious.

May 7th.

Oh, you're a Taurus. A stubborn Taurus. I love it. It's crazy because I came into the online space about a decade ago too, and it's like, gosh, like now we see this influx of affiliate marketing and you know, the influencer kind of generation kind of taking over and I feel like an old lady in it. Even though I am much older than you, I feel like old in this online space as I know that many people that get into the online space, as they evolve, they find new passion projects and you've kind of stayed true to the fitness and talking and doing it all at the same time. Is there ever a time that you're like, eh, I'm over this, I want to do something else, not right now.

And I think it's because I know that I haven't reached where I want to go with it. I have basically built this business by myself for the last eight years. You know, I was the CEO, I'm the one who's working with the app developers, I'm working with the marketing team, I'm the one trying to employ people. And as a female working with a very male dominated development team, I've never got to where I know that this can get to. And that's why I've never given up hope. I mean, I've probably been through, I would say 15 different website app developers in the last like five years. And literally three weeks ago I found the right team and I'm really excited, you know, and they've got a team of 96 people. They were referred to me by somebody else who's also in the fitness industry. They have loads of fitness apps. Like this is what they do, right? They have a, they have a passion for it and they already understand the psychology of some. Somebody goes to sign up for a fitness app. Now I've just been winging it. I feel I've been winging it and just been working with people in China to get products over. I've done everything. So now in the last three weeks I've been able to get a new team in and I feel like this is the team. So I think that's why I've never left, lost the vision of like wanting to do this because I'm like, I know what this could be as long as we've got the right people around me. And I'm not going to give up until I found that. And then I know that I've given absolutely 110% and I know that I'm doing my best. But I would just feel right now if I stopped, I would be leaving too much stuff on the table that we haven't even tapped under. Because I built, I built 13,000 subscribers paying organically. We haven't even touched ads yet. And this is. The app is even working right now. Like, you can't even sign up. Like, it's frustrating. So I'm like, if I have the right team that knows how to do stuff and we can do ads and you can actually sign up for the app, and I could just solely be focused on creating the content to add value to people, to bring more people into our environment, then, oh, my goodness, it's going to be amazing. And so that's where I've never left lost hope. And that's why I'm still motivated, because I'm like, oh, no, I'm going to be motivated until this thing.

Like, oh, my gosh, there's so much to. I'm like, I'm salivating in my Enneagram brain right now. Like, all these different components of who you are and why you do what you do. And that's what I love about the Enneagram is it's way more than a lot of this other stuff, including horoscope and Myers Briggs and disc and all these little quizzes and things about who we are. A lot of those things are just to kind of navigate our behaviors. Right. And you know as well as I do there is a motive behind everything we do, and that's kind of where the Enneagram taps in. So you gave me kind of a lot of stuff to work with here, and I'm so excited because I think you and I are a lot alike in a lot of ways, but we present very differently. And I'm curious to find out if we kind of are motivated the same way. So when you talk about you kind of doing this all on your own, was that rooted in the place of. Because I'm kind of a lone wolf, too. I prefer to really kind of operate on my own, and I know that that's because I don't ever want to rely on anybody. Right. There's this element of, like, if I rely on them and kind of give up my power, is that kind of what that is rooted in for you? Or what is that about for you usually? Or you just haven't found the right people?

I want to say it's not the right person. Like, I was in a relationship for four and a half years, and I wanted so much for them to be my videographer and for them to be my editor, for us to do this together. And I. The guy that I was with before, like, that's what I wanted. Because a lot of times, if you look at people in the fitness industry, I can name like, my five, like, closest people that I know in the fitness industry who are crushing it, their husbands. The other part, like, the female is like, I mean, I have so many friends where their boyfriend is either does all of the management stuff, right? Works with the team, or they do the video or they do the editing. Like, I can list, like, every everybody that I know. I don't even know one person in the fitness industry like, that I know personally where their spouse or their boyfriend is not part of it. And I think that that is a great recipe for success. And that's how you do grow fast. If two people are aligned with the same mission, you know, you don't have to employ so many other people. And both of you want it as much because you see the growth, right? You see the potential. And so I've just never been in a romantic relationship where the other person wanted to do that. And that's absolutely fine. I'm like, I never wanted to force them. Like, they had their own careers. One was a pilot, one was a firefighter. That's not anything to do with building a business, by the way. Right? Or video editing or any of that. I never wanted to just do it by myself. I wanted to have someone, like, vision, like, let's do this together. And, you know, now I'm dating somebody who is an entrepreneur and is, you know, in that space, and now it's about us finding. So, you know, with his business, there's so much stuff that I can add value to.

Right, right.

And I'll just step in and be like, o, okay, your website, we gotta rewire this. Like, this doesn't make any sense.

Right?

And I'll. I'll let you be like. Cause I know I'm so confident that, like, I've got on calls with his website team. Like, I built a lot of the website. I built his whole kajabi. I built the whole membership program, right? Because I was like, just let me do it. Like, I can do it. And I love doing that. And now it's like, him finding the role of, hey, how do I support Rebecca and her stuff? And how do I feel like I'm wanted enough to be able to step into that? Because his skill set is managing teams and, you know, working with the people. It's very hard to be the talent. And then also trying to be like, hey, you haven't done X, Y and Z. And then I've got to be like, oh, what's up, everybody? It's Rebecca Louise. Like, being, like, all friendly. Like, it's a Real. You know, I've always overstepped the mark with a lot of my employees. That's where I've probably gone wrong and why I've probably lost a little bit of respect from them is that I want to know their relationships and they'll tell me anything. Right. But then it's really hard to have a conversation, be like, hey, you're not doing a work. And I get scared of having that conversation with them. So I think that we just need to find that kind of balance, you know, where he takes that role of working, you know, with some of my staff. So that's. It's. It's definitely not been like, I want to do it by myself. I have done it by myself. I've never taken any money from anyone. It's always been bootstrapped. But, you know, that's why 100%. I don't have any investors. It's just been like, just. Just build it. Anything that you have that you make, just bring it back into the business.

So you grew up in England and were mom and dad both around?

Yep. Mum, dad still together after they've been married for like, 30 years? No, 35 years. 40 years coming up. Yeah.

Are they back in England still?

They are currently in America. They're with my. My brother lives in North Carolina with his wife and they were able to get over here. I hadn't seen them for like 18 months, so I was able to see them like a month ago. And then I'll be spending Christmas with them. So it's kind of like that. They'll be back and forth. I retired my dad two years ago. I retired my mum at Christmas. And they both work for me in my business, in customer service, so it gives them a purpose. Right. Because you don't want to just retire. Because most people die four years after they've retired. So I wanted to give them flexibility. I wanted them to travel. So they've traveled so much they can take the laptop with them and they just set up, like a little office wherever they're staying. And they just do the customer service emails. My mum writes a couple of blogs and then my dad just, you know, helps and facilitates and supports.

Oh, my gosh, that's beautiful. When you were younger, are you the older sibling or the younger siblings?

I'm the older sibling. My brother's three and a half years younger than me.

So growing up, like, thinking about mom and dad, whose attention did you feel like you were seeking more of and approval of?

My dad, probably, because my mom would just give it Out. When my dad says something like, you know, it's big. Like, and my dad's just very quiet and reserved. And my mom, like, I remember, like, sitting at the kitchen table, if, like, me and my brother had done something good, my mom would, like, kick my dad under the table to be like, come on. Like, say, like, well done. And he'd be like, why are you kicking me under the table? Like, we all knew what it was. And he'd say something like, what do you want, a paper hat? Like, why do you want to be, like, recognized so much? But I think that's great because so many kids just get recognized for, like, doing anything. And I remember, like, when my dad said, oh, you played a really good game of hockey. Like, I was like, oh, I play good. I wanted honest feedback. I didn't want to be bullshitted.

Right. I love that. And not. Yeah, I don't. I'm like that, too. I'm like, straight. Shoot me. Bottom line me. I don't need the trophy or the fluff. Just like. And so when your bullshit meter is probably really strong like mine is, and you can see right through the bullshit, what is your brother like? What was he like as a kid?

He was actually a professional soccer player from the age of seven. He got recruited at seven years old, and he got one year of pro, and at 19, they dropped him. And I think that was a big thing because he'd given his whole life to soccer. I mean, he was very disciplined because he was treated like an adult at 7 years old. He worries. He really cares about what people think, but he's interpersonal development as well. We actually work in the network marketing company together, so him and his wife both do that. He does some soccer coaching on the side as well. But it's really great that we. He has a brick and mortar place in North Carolina, a smoothie bar with the nutrition products that we use. And he's in my network marketing team, so we talk every day. So is his wife. And so it's kind of like a family business as well, which is so great. Like, I'm so blessed that we have. That. We have a really great relationship.

But.

But, yeah, we grew up great. Like, we had a lot of fun together. He more of a warrior, but I've just done more personal development. I used to take things more personally than he, you know, than before, and now I've learned to, you know, care about people, but not care about what they think.

When you would take things personally before, prior to a lot of the personal development, what did that look like, when you would take things personally, how would you respond to it? Would you get all sad and like, clingy? Or would you be more explosive and like, call some shit out?

Oh, I would be mortified. Like, I would be calling up people. Like, I couldn't, I couldn't function without, like, the community. Like, I wasn't able to just like, let me just take an hour to like, breathe this out. I'd be like, oh, my goodness, I've upset this person. I need to call them. Like, get on the call and explain myself. Really explain why. Why did. I didn't mean it like that. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't say it like this. Like, I'm so sorry that I hurt you. You know, And I would take it very, very personally. And I would. It would be a re. Like a reaction of like, I'm so sorry. Like, please speak to me. And calling multiple, multiple times. Like, like, you know, someone who feel like they're going, they're losing their mind, whereas now, you know, I know that I thank you for the feedback, but it's. It's your monkey. It's not mine. You know, like, it's your stuff that you get to deal with. Like, and it's not mine.

When that would happen, where you do feel, I don't know if you even have an awareness of this, like, from then, were you worried that, like, in their eyes you wouldn't be seen as like this high integrity person? Or were you worried that, like, oh, my gosh, I'm just so misunderstood. I am so freaking misunderstood. What was that about for you, do you think?

I don't think I had the awareness that someone was misunderstanding me. It definitely didn't come a place from like, oh, you misunderstood. It was more of a, like, I'm so sorry. Oh, like, I hate myself, beat myself up. Why won't you talk to me? That kind of like, trying to make it up. Trying to make, like, do anything I can to, like, apologize. I'm so sorry. I think it was coming from a. More of a place of that rather than like, oh, why don't they understand what I think it was more like, oh, shit, I'm wrong.

Okay, what would your teachers, what would they have told me was the biggest problem in wrangling and teaching you? Like, what kind of things would disrupt your learning? And maybe the environment when you were growing was great.

My teachers, if I didn't do my homework, they just knew not to even ask. It was like this weird. Like, if I Was late to something. Like, I think they knew I was hard on myself and they knew that I was going to deliver. Like I was, you know, at school, I studied hard. I was, you know, I was playing sports at a very high level. Like outside of school. I was a South of England field hockey player. I was sports captain at school. You know, my teachers, that my teacher had a great relationship with my teachers. They all love me, right? But they didn't. I never got in trouble if I didn't do my homework. It was like I was like, don't argue with me, like, what are you going to do?

It really was, it was like I had control if I like did it or not. There was just like this. It's like both of us just understanding. Like, no, I didn't do my homework, but you know, I'm already here, what are you complaining about? Type thing. So it was like this mutual respect. It was. When I look back, you know, I was friends with a lot of the teachers. I was friends with him.

I have a similar experience. It's like I wouldn't always just like crush it and get things done, but whenever, like it was go time, I could get it done. And I had the same kind of thing where nobody ever micromanaged me or tried to. What do you think it was about you that early on in your life that people were like, okay, we don't need to micromanage her. She'll get it done. Even if it is at the witching hour.

Yeah. I think I knew if it was relevant or not to do. I think it wasn't like, I work hard. Like I will. Yeah, no, like I always got the best effort award. At school I wasn't the best. I got the best effort award. And at dance school I got it like three years in a row. I was like, this is embarrassing, right? I'm still not the best. I'm getting the best effort award. Like surely if you're getting the best effort award after three years, then you would just get like the best dancer. But no, I'm not. I remember rolling my eyes on stage. Like we had like 500 kids on stage and they announced like, oh, you know, oh, it goes back to Rebecca. And I remember rolling my eyes like you imagine like as a 12 year old child like rolling her eyes like, oh God, I got.

Again, like, I don't want this one. I worked really hard so that I could be the best, you know. But yeah, I just think that I spent my time doing the things that I thought were going to be More productive. Like, I never went to university. I taught myself a degree online. I didn't think that I needed to go and spend three years, you know, at university. I was like, I want to go and start work. I wanted to work straight away. I moved to London at 19 years old and which is an hour and a half away from my small hometown, and started to teach myself a degree online. So I would, I would say, well, this isn't necessary to do. I'm going to do. I'm going to go and play. This is what I'm going to spend my time doing. Because I don't think this is not going to help me get to where I want to be. I think it was more of like that before.

Those of us that only have known you in this pocket of time, you know, like the last eight years. What did you do in career work before we all knew Rebecca Louise, like the YouTube star here?

I've done everything. I've done absolutely now. I used to. I've been a babysitter. I worked for my dad's printing company. I was going up to London at like 17 years old working for this company who drove up leads for like a workers thing. Yeah, I'd like call up like garden centers and like find like leads. I get like 10 bucks a lead or something. I was really good at that. So work for a marketing company up there. I worked for Citigroup investment bank for nine months. That was the longest eight months. Maybe I don't even think I made it nine. But that was. That was the longest time I've ever been employed by anybody. That was. I was at 19 years old and got a starting salary job in London, Canary Wharf, which is like, you know, the Wall street of London. £27,000 starting salary with nothing on my resume that has anything to do with finance. You know, I had. And I'd just done a real. I did a reality TV show when I was 18 years old who had took 12 people who had potential to be television producers, split us up into two teams, kind of like the Apprentice. And it was basically produced and directed by the same person who did the Apprentice. So I was on that show then. I worked in London. I was a club promoter, I was a podium dancer, I was in girl bands. I did promotion work. I was like cage, rage, fighter, dancer. I mean, crazy stuff for like three years in London. Just like wild, like, you know, trying to add a website.

Just.

I was going for auditions. I was trying to be a backing dancer. I was trying to be a model. I was Just trying to be a TV presenter. Like, I was trying everything. Then I came to America and got my commercial pilot's license. Never went to an airline, but came back over and started going out for auditions. So I've done a bit of everything.

So do you think the motive behind doing a lot of everything. I've done a lot of everything, too. And I know the motive for me has nothing to do with boredom. Is it because you get bored doing something, or is it you're kind of always on this constant quest of the thing that. That will, like, give you autonomy, independence, and freedom? Or are you truly just, like, shiny object after shiny object?

I think it's, like, curiosity. Like, I wasn't scared about trying something new and pivoting, you know, I worked for a bank. I was like. And I was like, this is. I didn't like who I was working around. The job was boring. I. We were doing corporate actions. Like, it's like, if a company wanted to go into liquidation, like, I'd have to, like, get the file and, like. Like to divide their stocks and, like, close it down. I was like, this is not what I want to be doing. But I did. I took the job because I wanted to live in London, so I need to get myself there, you know? Then I was a club promoter, and I got involved in drugs and all of that stuff. And I was like, I need to move to America. And how I moved was that we had that volcano ash cloud in Iceland that grounded all the airplanes, like, 11 years ago. And I was literally in my house in London, and I saw a plane land. And I was walking behind my sofa. I remember it vividly. And I went f it. I'm going to be a pilot. And some crazy stuff had happened in London. I got put in a paparazzi photo. Somebody stole a photo from my phone. I had to sue the newspaper for copyright issues. It was this whole big thing. And I was like, I just need to get out of here. Like, I'm. I'm wrapped up in something crazy. I need a shift. I need to get away from this. And then a plane landed. I'm like, that sounds like a great idea. I'm gonna go be a pilot. And you know, the best places. I started researching it, and I do. I have that. I don't have that part of my brain that starts to think about, shall I. Should I not do it? I literally have an idea. And there's execution. I'm very fast execution.

Yeah.

And so I had this idea. Great, I'm going to go To America. Great. So what do I need to do? I need to research where to go. Best two places are going to be Florida and California. Never been to California before. Been to Florida as a kid, but great. But guess it's California. It is. Always grew up watching Laguna Hills. Sounds like a great idea. Use the money from the paper and went to America. I didn't even think twice about it. There was no thought process. There was no, like, oh, should I do this? Should I get, like, advice from my mom and dad? I was like, mom, dad, go, by the way, and go to America. You know, it's like when I got my dog, I was like, I'm getting a dog at 20 years old. Like, that's just what I'm doing. When I moved to London, it was like, nope, this is. This is where I'm at. I don't think things through.

When you have had relationships kind of take a shit, whether it's friendships or romantic relationships or even maybe business relationships, what do you think is the common thing that happens? That's your part in it, would you say?

It's probably not doing my. In relationships, it's not looking at the red flags quick enough.

Like, what. What is the biggest red flag that you seem to overlook?

I mean, I can look at you a list of the red flags from the last partnership that I was in. I can. The last relationship that I was in, the red flags were coming up. But I was like, oh, but. But it's. It's like, oh, but it's because of this. Oh, it's kind of because of this. You know, when I started dating my. My ex boyfriend, like, I knew that, like, he. We weren't officially together, but I knew he'd spent the night with somebody else. And I was like, this is a red flag. And the way you made me feel. But I was like, oh, it could get better. You know, last partnership I was in, like, very first call that we have together as a team. You know, they're not on the first zoom call. Should have been a red flag, right? And then it's like, oh, now they're missing this. They don't understand this. But it's like, but, you know, this might get better. This might get better. This might get better. And I think that I have. I haven't done a better enough job in business and relationships to. When I see a red flag, instead of having compassion, just feel like, right, you fucked up. Like, why am I still here? And then I'm like, well, now I'm in more shit because there's more now I'm now more stuff that I'm dealing with.

Right.

So I think it's more of like, I. I haven't acted on the red flags.

Okay. Question about that specifically. So in the not like acting on the red flags, even though, like, hindsight, you can kind of see the shit like we all do. I'm very similar in certain ways too. Do you think that not acting on the red flags was a motive to avoid pain and having to deal with it, or was it about saying, well, I'm strong enough to handle anything, so if this is going to go sideways, I'm strong enough to handle any of it? Was it more to prove your strength or to avoid something?

That's a great question. No, I think it's more that I had belief in the person. Like, everybody makes mistakes. Like, don't be too hard on people. Like, give them a shot.

Okay. Before personal development, before all your personal development, how do you think you would have answered that?

I made excuses for people. I still think I made excuses because it happened to me. I've been in relationships. Like, when I remember a relationship, I was, you know, adored somebody when I was like 20 years old and they didn't. I made excuses. I make excuses for other people.

Okay, when you make excuses for other people, is it to probably so subconsciously, is it, like, to know without question you're very strong and strong in this relationship, or is it because you want to avoid conflict?

Probably the conflict. I don't like confrontation.

You don't?

No. I, I will not scream and shout. I will never leave. Like, like any relationship I've ever been with. I've never slept on the sofa. I've never made them sleep on the sofa. I've never made them leave. Like, we are sorting out right now and getting it done and we're moving on. Like, I don't like confrontation. Like, I'll. I'll back down.

When it comes to friendship, what would your closest friends tell me is the best part about being friends with you?

Oh, wow. I was just with my best friend last night and we were chatting about the world. What would she say about me? I don't know. That's such a hard question. The biggest thing, maybe just from, like last night, is just like my awareness of other people's beliefs and just being open to always learning and growing. I'll never think that I'm right about anything. I'll always listen and challenge my own beliefs to learn and grow. I'm reliable. Like, I like to treat people like gold like, to treat my friends like gold, like surprises. And, you know, even my friend yesterday was like, oh, it was so fun. Like, when it was my birthday, you were there. You had, like, my name up in balloons and stuff. So I'm thoughtful, and I like to do things for people. I love surprising people. I love surprising my family. I surprised my family a couple years ago to Vegas and did loads of, you know, fun surprise. We got another surprise for them, this time in Vegas as well. So it's like a. I'm so excited about them being surprised that, like, it's. It's like a selfish thing, right? Isn't it? You're like, oh, I can't wait for, like, them to have the surprise because, like, it's gonna make me feel so good because I can't wait to, like, watch you be excited. But that's one of my favorite things to do, is to surprise people.

And what would those same friends tell me is the hardest part about being a friend of yours? What's the most challenging part of being your friend?

Comparison.

In what way?

Like, comparing about, you know, I think my. My. My closest friends, well, this is. I go a million miles an hour, and they would say, God, it's exhausting when we stay at your house. Like, because they make it. Make. Make them feel lazy.

Okay.

No, it's just mission driven. And, like, I. That's just, like, what I'm built for. But I. I feel like I can go at a pace that most people don't want to go out, but I like going at the pace that I do go out. There's days, though. I'm just like, okay, we're just gonna have a bit more of a chill day. But I love to work. Like, I love to do. I'm getting better with rhythm and finding time for, like, being present in the moment. There was a time where, you know, I didn't spend any time doing that, but I think it would be that I work a lot.

Yeah. If tomorrow was your last day here on Earth, what would you hope those of us that know you best, learned most from you and loved most about you.

Oh, wow. It's definitely part of, like, mindset of. I'm trying to think because I did some. Added some beats. We have a couple of girls that we spotlight each month. And it's so funny, they always say the same thing. Like, you. You made me realize that, like, I was chasing significance, and that doesn't make me happy. I think that people would feel like that I've made them aware of how to Think differently. Because when we look at things differently, the things that we look at will change. And most of my audience that come to me never even looked at personal development because they're not looking for that. They're looking for to get their flat tummy. They're looking to get their bingo wings toned, right? But every single workout that we have has a theme in it about self discipline, self love, you know, how to get over negative. Like, I would say that I help people not be negative anymore because life is too good. So I think it would be like, a changed mindset.

Is there anything that kind of puts you in a shit mood?

Things used to. But I. I'm so good at, like, letting things go. Like, no, not really. There's nothing that I feel like that God is, like, really, like, pisses me off because it's like, that's their stuff, that's not mine. Like, you know, even if we're, like, driving the car and, like, Luke gets frustrated in the car, like, with the traffic, I'm like, let's just be like, hey, we're alive. We're driving. Like, I'm probably really annoying because I am like that. I'm just like. You know, like, it's really. It's. You know, it's coming from a place of gratitude. Like, our heating's not working right now. And he's like, this is. You know, it's ridiculous. We need to get this sorted. I'm like, oh, there's a tornado happening right now in Kentucky. Like, we've got a roof over ahead. Like, like, it's okay. Let's bundle up. Let's cuddle. Like, you know, I just. I think I used to get so frustrated in the past. It became. Became exhausting to live like that. Like, it's. It's easier to live in a state of, like, there's really not that big of a deal.

Oh, my goodness. You are one of those that, when it comes to enneagram typing and, like, these assessments that are out there, like the one I sent you, they're inaccurate 65 to 70% of the time. So I'm really glad that we did this because I said I had you narrowed down to three, and then your assessment came back one type. And I was like, I can see that, but I'm not quite there. And I'm very happy to report that my first initial instinct is accurate. And you are what is called an enneagram7, which is the enthusiastic visionary. You were mistyped as an enneagram 8. You have very intense energy. No Doubt about it. And Sevens and eights, especially Sevens and Eight women have the biggest energy on the Enneagram, no question. And they're both very, very, very assertive. They're both take charge, fear. Nothing but the come from is very, very different for an eight, which is what I am, and a seven, which is what you are. I love conflict. I will fight. I love a good fight. I love the intensity of a fight. Sevens really don't. They have the craving for experience and adventure, and anything's possible, right? The biggest fear of an enneagram7 is not having options, right? That they'll be put into a box where the biggest fear for an enneagram 8 is being betrayed or violated. So my drive for success is a little bit different than yours. Yours is like, anything's fucking possible. Where for me, it's like, what will secure me. A place where I don't ever have to rely on anybody. Both very strong, intense energy. Take no shit, get it done, plow through anything to make it happen. But. But as you can see, for different reasons. So as an enneagram7, you're also called the enthusiastic visionary, sometimes known as the enthusiast. You guys get a bad rap sometimes of being a little flaky. Not so much now, but I'm sure pre personal development, you looked a little all over the place, right? Or you couldn't focus on one thing at a time. And I'm raising a seven as well, so I know firsthand. I think this is why I knew this is what you were in. Keisha, our mutual friend, is also a seven, and she's a very intense seven, too. She could obviously, in some ways, mistype as an 8 as well, with that intensity. But sevens have the motivational need to experience life to the fullest and avoid pain. It's kind of where I was getting at with the questions. Like when you said you didn't like conflict at all, I was like, nope, she's not an eight then, right? Like, we love it. We actually. Because that's where we can flex. That's where an eight can. Hardcore is like, okay, bring me conflict, and I will show you how fucking powerful I am. Where seven's like, no, no, no, no. Let's have some fun with this. Like, let's make it right. Just same thing with the traffic or, like, the heating. Like, you turn everything into an adventure that is your gift and can also be your kryptonite, right? Because it can keep you from seeing red flags and taking action on them, right? Because you do want to see the Best in everybody and everything. So Sevens value a sense of freedom and focus on optimism. And I do believe that's part of, you know, why you're still in what you're in with the fitness. Because a lot of times a seven can be so bored and doing the same thing. And even though you can change up how your fitness company looks, it's rare that you can be in one thing for that long. Like you said, your longest career or job was nine months before. But I think that you've. You can sense and smell and know the freedom that comes when this is done the way that you know it's going to be done. And then anything's freaking possible for you. Like, you can do all the things, which is very exciting for a 7. You take opportunities as you present themselves. Nobody pivots better than a seven. Like, they just create an adventure out of it. They don't get down about it. They don't kind of go down the rabbit hole of like, oh, my God, this is terrible. They're like, well, what are we going to do next? Right? You experience life as an adventure, appreciate being playful and spontaneous and at your best. Others experience you guys as content and serene. When you're able to embrace the here and the now, right? A lot of times, because the Sevens are such forward, visionary thinkers, sometimes you can be thinking so ahead that you'll miss a miracle right in front of you, or you'll miss a moment, or people will feel like you're here in body, but you're. You're already out the door, right? And so really being able to kind of feel what's in front of you and know that even if it gets a little bit stale or boring, you'll be able to whip something up to make it exciting at any moment. And it'll make the people that you love and lead feel like you're here with them, which is cool. When you're not so healthy, others can experience you guys as impulsive, uncommitted, unfocused, and you can be distracted by this insatiable, like, search for fulfillment and fomo. Like, oh, I want to go do that.

I want to go do that.

I don't want to go do that. And so what I've told my daughter is like, you can do all the things. I promise you, you can do all the things. But let's pick three to get really, really great at right here, right now, so that all the things are possible whenever the hell you want them to be. And when you can kind of speak life like that into a seven, that's when you get the best in the them. Like somebody believing in you back 10 years ago when that other company hired you, you know, for their YouTube channel, like, that really breathed a whole bunch of life into you. And then when they decided not to do it anymore, that that period before you had enough confidence that you could actually focus enough to do this on your own, that was a huge turning point for you. And that is when a 7 can really embody this, knowing that they're more than just the fun factor and they're more than just like an idea person. They actually can focus and hone in on some structure and take it and run with it. Because the end goal is to just have a hell of a time. It's pretty cool. Now, a lot of times, having the right tool for the job is really, really important. And the seven tool of yours, this like, visionary spirit, this anything goes, part of you is your superpower. No doubt about it.

It.

But sometimes that can be a little distracting. Sometimes, like you said, it can be a lot or how did you describe it earlier? You move at such a fast pace, right? So sometimes that can leave people in your dust and that can make people feel abandoned sometimes if you're not careful. Especially if we don't know how to elegantly communicate that. And so we have these things on the enneagram called wings, okay. And they're like having these extra tools in the tool belt, like you're seven. The seven is so instinctual. You don't even have to like. It's like having a screwdriver. You don't need to YouTube tutorial that. You don't need to Google that shit and figure out how to work a screwdriver. You know how to be a 7 in your sleep and then out of sleep. It's just. It's who you are. But sometimes that seven in you is not the right tool for the job. And sometimes you need like a power drill and sometimes you need like this chainsaw, right? And so the wings of your enneagram type are like having these extra tools in your tool belt. You don't necessarily know instinctively how to always use them, but with enough practice, you know when and how to use them effectively in order to get the job done and do it right. And having two wings really help with that. So on one side of you, you have the six, which is. They're called the loyal skeptic, okay? Now that six wing for a seven is super powerful because you'll go in hot to a situation and Worry about the consequences later. You'll just like move fast. And sometimes, as you've seen, you've been through 15 different developers. Right? Right. You felt the feels and you're like, yeah, I'm going with them. Right. And then you're like, I should have thought things through a little bit further or maybe I should have asked more questions. Right. I'm sure that that's something. And it's cost you time and money and energy. So having the six wing is going to be. It'll slow you down for a little bit, but it'll be for the greatest good. So the six is like the master troubleshooter on the Enneagram. They ask a lot of questions. Like they need to know everything about everything because their biggest fear is being blindsided. Okay. They need certainty that they're going to be prepared for anything. Like, worst case scenario, they want to make sure they have like five different plans in case something goes sideways. Now for a seven or even an eight, we don't worry about that. We kind of just, we'll figure it out later. Right? But that six wing will really allow you to maybe work smarter and maybe not as hard. And although for a seven, slowing down feels super painful sometimes, if you know that like this is going to slow us down so we can even speed up faster, like remembering that will have you resisting the need to say, ah, fuck it, I'm just going to worry about it later. Right. So now having that 6 swing is great, but if you're just troubleshooting all the time and troubleshooting all the time, that seven in you can kind of get wrapped up and be like, ah, that's just too many details. Fuck it, let's just go. And that's. That isn't effective either because now you know better and then you're not doing better. And then there could be this whole shame cycle that you don't really want to deal with. Right. So once you kind of check in with that six wing and you're like, okay, I have like my bullet points of worst case scenario. The seven in you is going to kind of want to be like, ah, let's just have some fun anyway. Luckily for you, on the other side of you is like the master chainsaw, which is the eight, which is kind of what you really kind of were mistyped as anyway. So you already kind of instinctively operate like a challenger. You do. Like, this is the fearlessness. Like a 7 is fearless, but in a different way. An 8 is fearless that they'll figure it out. And even if, you know, shit goes very sideways where a 7 can get spun out about it, an 8 does not. It doesn't rattle an 8. Eights do like conflict, and they can deal with it very, very well. So even if you kind of face conflict, that eight in you, especially as you learn how to really use the. The beautiful parts of the challenger. Because we'll pick a fight just to pick a fight sometimes, and it'll blow up our life. But you can use the 8 in a healthy way that if conflict should arise, you like, listen, no, this is what we're going to do, and we're going to do it like this. And I promise you, I've got everybody's back, but let's fucking go, right? So once you kind of use that six wing for the troubleshooting and the seven wings, like, I just want to have fun. Let's forget the red flags and let's just kind of go. Using that, that eight wing as, like, your final kind of filter will really allow you to use your instincts and that decisiveness in a different way. Not just for the I will worry about it later, but, like, I'm really in tune. Because that 8 is built on instincts, where the 7 is built more on feelings and the environment. The 8 is all instinct. And so if you really learn how to tap into it at the right time for the yes, you might experience a little conflict, but it's for the greatest good, for the long game, and it's pretty powerful. And when a 7 can really step into it. And our friend Keisha uses her eight wing very well now, she's not afraid of the conflict, even though it's not her favorite thing. It's why the two of you are building these epic, insane, huge businesses right now for sure, is because you're really leaning into it. Now, there's two other things that happen. So with each enneagram type, we have a growth number, okay? And it's usually the type that makes us the most uncomfortable. So as a seven, you know, you like all the things, you like people, you like excitement and all the things. And as you know, through your personal development journey, if you don't take the time to plant some of these seeds of vision that you have, nothing happens, right? You have to create an environment and a container for all these dreams and possibilities to kind of take root. And in that that when you're going in a growth pattern, lean into what's called the healthy five, which is the investigator or the quiet investigator. And this is where you gather your wisdom. This is where you're kind of going down the rabbit hole of Google and what will make this app be successful. This is when you actually are like leaning into that six. Part of you too is like, okay, I'm feeling really good about this web developer, but it isn't the real thing. And this five is where you gather the wisdom about that one thing for right now, where seven doesn't really, like, they want to know all the things but you've learned along the way, especially in your growth, that, okay, I'm going to learn everything about this app right here, right now. And what makes a really good fitness app. When you want to get bored and move on to something else, you're like, no, no, no, let's reign it back in here and make this happen. So this beautiful dream that you built eight, nine years ago can actually be a worldwide app. And it already is. I mean, with no ads, with none of the other shit, you have 13,000 paid subscribers for something that like most of us don't even freaking know about. And you're like, oh my God. And so you having this container and that, that Healthy5 will allow the next level of Rebecca Louise fitness to just like take off. Now there's the other number that we go to and I can see where when you were talking about before personal development, you would go here. I don't see you in it as much now because you catch it. So we also go to another number when maybe you're distracting doesn't work anymore because the seven, they kind of lean into like distract me. I don't want to feel anything. So it's probably where the drugs came into play too. It's like, I don't want to feel that. So let's like shoot this up or take this pill or drink this shot or whatever it was when that didn't work anymore. What a 7 will do is all of a sudden this. Anything's possible. Rose colored glasses, like, let's make an adventure out of it turns into like this rigid, perfectionist, borderline OCD person, right? Where all of a sudden it's like, no, you have to do it this way. And I tell sevens all the time, if you find yourself kind of going into that direction, just use it as warning lights that, that you're overwhelmed, you're spinning too many plates at the same time. Maybe you haven't thought things through as thoroughly as you wanted to and now you're buried because you don't have enough help to support it and you don't know which plate to drop first. So instead of dropping any of them, it's like you're white knuckling it. And that's where that OCD part can kind of kick in. And then the fun is taken out of it. And you being a Taurus on top of it, you're a little stubborn anyway. You are naturally just stubborn. I mean, that's the beauty in Tauruses. You can be easygoing and very stoic in that. And so then when you don't ask for help, then that internal franticness can kind of kick in. And sometimes with especially seven Enneagram seven women, we don't always see the panic, but how we see your panic is through this white knuckling OCD part. Now the last thing, which is probably why you were mistyped, is our instinctual responses to life. So we use all three of them. There's the self preservation part of us. There is this one on one aspect of us and then there's the social instinctual response to life and we use all three of them. One usually dominates. There's a secondary one that we can kind of bounce pretty freely into. And then there's one that's kind of the blind spot. So the self preservation has us focusing on physical safety, well being, material security and comfort. And actually you kind of scored high on that and I can sort of see that. But I was like, yeah, but I think she's more of the one on one. Like your main focus when life happens is you focus on the intensity of experiences and one on one relationships. And this drives you to actively seek out opportunities that promise strong, energetic connections with others. I think that's where you reside. That's also where I reside. And then I think self preservation is probably your backup, especially when it comes to business. It's like, no, no, no, no, know, I'm going to make sure that this thing is bulletproof and I'm going to kill it and, and then have all this other freedom. And the last one is the social subtype. And I think like me, this is. You do this and you do it very well with all the work you've done on yourself. But I think it's probably your last go to in that this instinct focuses on interactions and relationships with big, huge communities and groups. And even though you do do that within your community, it's not like you're going to be on the front line doing this forever for everyone's greatest good. Right? So as the one on one seven. So this is where like there's a next level seven and so there's Three different next levels and your seven, which is the one on one. Seven is the dreamer, the idealist, also known as the romantic. This kind of seven sees reality through the rose colored filter. Anything's possible. You're connected to the possibility that there is, there is no box and you will not be put in it. And none of us should be the greatest inventors of all time. I believe Steve Jobs fell into this category too. Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs was a seven on the Enneagram. Your enthusiasm and optimism may seem unrealistic to a lot of people or even naive as you tend to believe in the good in everything and everyone. You want the world to be more than dreary and dull and may embellish reality from time to time. And dislike relationship that have become boring and predictable. And that is the seven.

I love it. That's amazing.

Is it accurate for you?

Yeah. It's so great to just to kind of like as you're talking about things of like behavior and stuff and just noting it to like past memories of like how I was before and how I am now and you know, the growth that's happened too. It's just, it's crazy. But it's so great also when you're hearing other people and like, you know, obviously we have our mutual friend Keisha as well and you know, seeing that, yeah, she's definitely a seven.

Yeah. And the cool thing about it is even though you've grown a lot in the last, especially the last decade, you haven't really changed the core of who you are. And that's what I love about the freedom and the compassion that the Enneagram and the framework of it gave me is like the very things that are my gifts and the very thing that are your gifts. Gifts are your gifts. When you're coming from a place of love, compassion, empathy, service, grace and confidence, which you through personal development have really gained. So your gifts of optimism, flexibility, future orientation, practicality and adventurousness, like those are all your superpowers because you're in a place of love, compassion, empathy, service and grace. Now those very, very things have probably been the kryptonite in your life at times when you were coming maybe from fear, insecurity, unworthiness, shame, guilt, or Enneagram Sevens and Enneagram. Eight women we can have big ass egos, right? And so those very things, those optimism, flexibilities, those things can also take you out. The beauty in all of this is you've never really changed who you are at your core or your essence. It's Just the come from. And this is the freedom that the Enneagram can give so many of us. And it really allowed me to exhale and be like, okay, okay. So I'm not really just a fucking asshole all the time. I'm just an intense person and I just need to kind of get my come from in a healthier spot. I don't have to change who I am or how I show up. I'm still going to be an intense person, but now that it's coming from love and compassion instead of fear and insecurity and worry of betrayal, like, that's why you are embodying one of the most beautiful expressions of an enneagram7 that I've ever seen. Quite honestly, it's powerful to watch you. It really, really is. And it's awesome. It's really, really awesome. So that being said, the fact that you have built what you've built almost as a one person show for the most part, without all the fluff and the ads and the things that people have done to create a seven, eight figure business like you have, I mean, that's powerful. Where can people find you, learn more from you, listen to you, because you're, you're captivating for sure. Where can they find more about you?

Oh, thank you. And first of all, like, thank you for your time. Like, I love diving into this and understanding and just being more aware and like the work that you're doing is, you know, just providing so much value for so many people. Just understand themselves better. And I think that that's the biggest thing is if you can just understand yourself, it gives you a bit more peace, right? It just like makes you feel peace, a little bit more calm. So thank you for your time today and like explaining this to me and like, I really was like a newbie and I was like, I'm so excited. I was like, don't tell me I'm meeting with Casey. Don't. Don't diagnose me right now. You've also had half a bottle of wine.

So like.

I can't wait to figure out, like, I can't wait to ask them what they thought you might be.

Yeah, yeah, I love it too. Yeah, everyone can find me on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, TikTok, all of the places. Rebecca Louise Fitness. But if you're looking to get started, you know, with personal development and a fitness workout program, every single month we have a brand new challenge, is always a new, different theme. Just go to rebecca-louise.com on that main page. You'll just Drop in your email address and we'll send you our current monthly challenge.

Oh sister, thank you so much for just filling the room and the airwaves with so much excitement. The Enneagram 7 and especially you just make us all feel alive in ways that, you know, a lot of us really have a hard time accessing. Like you just being present here really filled my heart today. I needed it more than you could even imagine today. And I know that those listening right now really benefited from you showing up fully and allowing me to kind of, you know, dig into who you are and what you do in this world to bring us all that love and light that you just show up in the world with. So thank you so much. I appreciate you guys. And if you want to explore your own Enneagram, type, please reach out on Instagram at Tracy underscore O', Malley. You can hit me up in the DMs. Or if you know this is what you want to do and you want to dive in deeper, I can take you through a 90 minute process of this very thing a little bit deeper than we did here on air. You can go to Tracy O' Malley.com the work with me section and get started now. And until next time, here's to becoming the ultimate leader in your life.

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