EP279: {Special Series} What it's Like to be an Enneagram Four - Heart, Mind, and Soul with Holly Burgess - The Romantic/Individualist

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The Leadership Formula podcast. And we are continuing on the series of what it's like to be an Enneagram blank. And this week, we have the individualist, the romantic enneagram 4. They are the least typed on the Enneagram because, honestly, they're the most mistyped on the Enneagram because they are are so dynamic and mysterious in so many ways. They have this ability to compartmentalize in ways that I've never seen before from any other Enneagram type that so often, when an Enneagram type isn't resonating with one of those online tests that are inaccurate 65 to 70% of the time, what I find is, quite often they end up in enneagram 4. And the beautiful woman I am bringing to you today, Holly Burgess, she originally thought she was an enneagram3. And on paper at the time, not anymore. Back three years ago, when we were connected, I could see that. I was like, okay, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, she had a marketing agency. She was powerhouse, like, Pivot Queen. Like, you name it, she executed it. And I had done, I think, was it a workshop for somebody that you were working with or something? And that's how you found me?

Yeah. Yeah, I found you through Lisa Kissums.

Yeah. And, you know, our first call together, I was like, you ain't a three. And just, I remember the look on your face when we kind of started to dive in about what being a four was like. And I almost could feel you exhale. Like, it was like, finally, Finally, I feel like this makes sense, but now what the fuck do I do with all of this? And that was, like, two and a half years ago.

Yeah.

So as an enneagram 4, you know, they are very mysterious. Their core motive is being authentic and true to who they are designed to be. They are the creatives the intuitives, they're the most emotional on the Enneagram, not necessarily verbally or outwardly, but they feel everything. Every emotion at every level. Sometimes in the span of two minutes, they can feel all of it. They have the ability to hold speaking space for people probably better than anyone, without getting rattled or depleted by it. But where they kind of go sideways is their biggest fear is not having significance to who they are in this world where, you know, the twos and threes, as you guys have heard in prior weeks, like, their significance is driven by, you know, their status in the world or what they do or achieve or what they do for other people. The Enneagram 4 is also about significance, but it's an inside job. And the problem with them is a lot of times they'll quit before the miracle happens, because what happens is they're in their zone. They're in their gift. And then they start getting on Instagram or looking out at the external world, and then they start comparing themselves, and envy takes over, thinking something's missing in them. Maybe I need to try this instead. And so often for the Enneagram, for it's why they're tortured sometimes, but it's also why we don't always get their gifts and their magic that they have the ability better than anyone to bring to the world. But when I met this girl two and a half years ago, she was still doing business and marketing and had an agency, and we kind of brought it back down to the foundation in our work together, not just professionally, but also personally. So, Holly, we're going to dive into all of that. But thank you for being here and representing the romantic individualist, the intuitive Enneagram.

For I'm excited to be here and, you know, represent all the tortured souls that don't always have to be tortured.

You know, I think why I love you so much, you know, and especially as an Enneagram for woman and an enneagram. Enneagram8 woman. I think we're probably the two most misunderstood on the Enneagram because we are intense. And as women, that isn't always well received. Right?

Yeah.

So when you thought you were an enneagram3, how did that sit with you?

Yeah, you know, it really did resonate as far as when the tests told me I was a three, I. I really thought I was, just because I had leaned into that my entire life, and I just didn't realize that what I was actually doing was not truly about being successful, but truly about being unique, truly about my gifts, being seen in the world and being different and standing out was really what it was. So it did resonate, but it was just this small piece of the puzzle. And I have a few moments in my life where I've felt really, really seen and really understood. And we do seek that as fours majorly. And that moment when you told me I was a four, I'll never forget it. You said, I think your last question was, you know, if you're at your funeral and everyone that you love is there, what are you going to want them to be saying about you? And I said that I made an impact. And you said, and what does that impact look like? And I said, I think it looks like something nobody else has ever done. And that was the moment. Right after that, you told me I was a 4, and it just all clicked.

Yeah. So there. You know, you guys, if you are enneagram fans, you probably have listened to some of my episodes on the subtypes. And the subtypes, probably more than any other enneagram type, the subtypes can really drastically change how an enneagram type presents. And for the fours, this is probably the most true. And so that one on one enneagram4, which is where Holly kind of finds herself at home most of the time with the instincts, we can kind of toggle. The instincts can change, but usually one is home for us. And that one on one four is that intensity of experience, they often mistype as a three or an eight. So if you think you're a three or an eight, but it's not fully, you don't fully feel it, chances are this could be where you fall as well. So being the four, what was the first aha moment and first thing you did in your new four understanding back two and a half years ago? Do you remember?

Yeah, you know, I think I initially, and especially as you and I continue to work together, really just. And it's still in my head today, like, are you acting like a one? Are you acting like a two? Because I really learned sort of how I'm going to present in the world and, you know, also within my own internal processes when I'm healthy and when I'm not. So I think that is always what I lean back into now. And what I leaned into first was that, okay, who are you acting like? Are you. Is this really, you know, your true self, or are you acting like a people pleaser because you're in a really unhealthy space right now, or are you getting yourself structured and having enough organization to keep yourself in a good space mentally. So I think that's probably the biggest thing that hit me right away.

I love that, because this is really, really important, because we can bullshit ourselves, but having that compassionate, radical honesty with ourselves is like, is this a healthy boundary or is this me people pleasing? Right. And I, you know, I just got hit with the moment. I remember you had some people working for you that, let's just say, was very dysfunctional.

Yeah, yeah.

And I remember telling you, like, this is probably not going to end well.

Right.

And that people that because an enneagram 4 when they're in a stress pattern, when their fourness doesn't cut it, they look like an unhealthy enneagram, too. And you lived for a little bit in there professionally with some codependent relationships. Would you agree?

Oh, 100%. Like, at least the first year of business, like, full on, you know, all the inner. Inner child wounds came out that needed healing. All of it came rising to the surface. And I'm so glad, looking at that, looking back at it now and my journey, I'm so grateful for it. But back then, it was like, what is happening right now? So completely that people pleaser, that little girl who just wanted to be seen just came out.

Yeah. God, I remember that. It just hit me about that whole situation and. And how, like, even though you knew it was the right thing to do, how hard it still was, like, you know, when we know better, we know we have to do better. And we still, like you said, have to, like, reconcile that with the little girl or little boy that's in us that is feeling like, if I don't do this, then if I don't help them or people please or whatever it is or earn our significance through this modality, then we're a piece of shit.

Yeah.

And I was so proud of you for that moment and the freedom that came with that. You're like, well, I guess we're taking it down to the foundation here. And you did.

Yeah, yeah. And I'll share. You know, really what Tracy walked me through was the first time I had to let somebody go. And it was really, really hard because I had never had to do that. And it was my, you know, I think second year of entrepreneurship. And it's funny, the day that you reached out to me to ask about doing this podcast, I was facing another hard conversation that I needed to have. And literally, you know, how the divine works. I heard in my head when I got your text, you can have hard conversations. You have done this before. You Were taught these skills. You have these tools in your tool.

Belt and how did it go?

Great. Of course we always build it up bigger in our head than it really is.

Yeah, I love that. So you mentioned having some structure. And the Enneagram one doesn't necessarily love structure. You love the end result of what structure can do in your life. But for, for the four, it's like this mind fuckery that's like, well, if I have structure, I'm not going to be authentic. And it's all manufactured and. And that's usually where an enneagram 4 will self sabotage. Right. But love that, you know, like using the framework of your core type. You know that the growth number for an Enneagram 4 is an Enneagram 1, which is like the black and white thinker. The high standards, high integrity. You're never going to be wired like them, but like you can take on the healthy parts of that. I say this all the time. Like if you're left to your own Enneagram types ways so you as a four, if you tried to rely on your Enneagram four to get you to the one ain't happening default. And this is where an Enneagram four can be very stubborn and even aggressive sometimes. If you feel like somebody is trying to cage you in. It's why they're often. Yeah, it's why they're often mistyped as a seven as well. Sometimes that it's like you will almost self sabotage yourself to prove like you won't be controlled in that way.

Yeah.

So this is where the wings come into play. So as an enneagram4, here comes the three that you have relied on maybe in not so healthy ways, but you also have the five wing as well. So how do you use your wings today? Because if you are just leaning on four, you ain't ever getting to the one. So how do you use the wings today in a beautiful way to help you stay in a growth pattern or catch yourself when you're maybe going off the rails. Because we're human.

Yeah, totally. I love that. And I love that honestly, that everything is everything. Right? So in our industry we talk about masculine and feminine energy all the time. And then, you know, as I went down my path and learned more and more, I just saw how it all connects back to everything. So when I think about the Enneagram one, I think about harnessing my masculine energy, my get shit done, my structure. Right. And then when I'm truly in my healthy four, then yes, I can flow and be in My feminine. And to me, the structure is not about, or the balance between the two is really not about when you are in a great place. Right. Like, you can just flow and do your thing. If you're in a good place, do it in the order you want. But when you get in those unhealthy patterns, that's when you lean into your growth number. So for me, I would lean right back into the one, and I'm like, okay, get your structure together because you need it today. And then you lean on those wings to give you sort of the reason. Right. So you're three. Okay, well, I'm going to lean into my one because I care about this work, and I want to be structured in a way that's going to make me successful, because when I'm successful, then everyone around me gets to rise with me and be successful, too. So then you get to please the four, you get to please the three, you get to please the one, you get to please all of it. I do lean into my five more because you and I had talked about how strong my 3 was. So I do tend to lean on that 5. And, you know, I just dig deep and research and do all the things that I need to do to get things done, too. So I lean on those wings to get me where I'm trying to go.

I love that. And I love. I love that you just said that. Actually, when you're not in a great place, you focus even more. Like, that's. That's the beauty of this framework is like, you could go down the rabbit hole of the two, which you used to do, which is stress number, but instead you're recognizing some of these patterns that are coming up that, you know, aren't maybe the healthiest way to go for you. So you fixate your eyes on what would A1 do right now. She would have structure, organization, and some. Some hard lines in the sand here.

Yeah, yeah.

And. And how do we support that? I love that. So let's talk marriage for a second.

You're married to a very dynamic man.

Yes.

Who is also a creative in music. How has the four come out in your most intimate relationship? In ways that is good and maybe not so good. Where have you recognized there was a little dysfunction there and what have you done about it? Yeah, I know you've been through a lot together.

You guys have been through a lot together. We have. And on the surface, and I'd say 99 of the time, we had this perfect marriage. Like, if you're looking at social media, like Yeah, I would have people tell me all the time, like, oh man, like, I just wish I could find a marriage like yours. I wish I could find a man like yours and things like that. But ultimately there was this stuff hidden under the surface that I would never let. Huh, fully rise. And it rose last fall. All the shit came up. Like, it all came out and it was the most healing time I've ever had. I remember I even reached out to you during it. And by the end of the year on New Year's Eve, we basically, we laid death to our past marriage and we rebirthed it on the first day of this year and everything changed. And I'll tell you, it really goes back to that 4 quality of like always thinking that there's something missing, something missing in me, something missing in my life and my relationship. Never enough, right. That. That deep seated feeling. And I had to heal that. And it had to rise to the surface. And he needed it as much as I did. I was the one, I guess, on the surface causing the problems and, you know, being the tornado for a minute last fall. But ultimately he needed to step into his power. He needed to see what was going on on the. Under the surface for him too. So I think that there's so much beauty in it because my husband's a musician. I can really appreciate his creativity and his spark and all the things. And he's typed as a two. We don't really. He's never worked with you directly, so we don't know for sure, but I assume he has a two. And God is a gift to me.

Yeah, I mean, there was one. One of your sessions where I ended up talking to him for like an hour. It was great. No, I could see the two, but like his, you know, growth numbers than a four. So that. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, I love that when you're at the come to Jesus moment, you know, on January 1st.

Right.

Like, this is the gift of the four. And you know, I've told you I'm in a romantic relationship with an enneagram4 and you do make us feel shit. And sometimes the oh, I'm burning up and sometimes the shit that you don't necessarily want to. So when a lot of times your energy will speak volumes. It's why I love what you're doing in your work. And we'll get to that in a minute. When that comes up and you've triggered now your spouse.

How do you now navigate that versus how you used to. I know you used to enable him.

Right? Yeah. I definitely enabled him. And I will say one of the biggest things that you taught me was stepping into true vulnerability versus false vulnerability. I have always considered myself a vulnerable person because I will, I will tell you my deep emotions, I will tell you all about it, but I'm not going to tell you what I'm feeling in that moment in a very simple, not on a bumper sticker kind of way, right? And I caught myself a few months ago, he and I were getting into it and it was like literally over nothing. And I stopped and I looked at him and I said, you know, I feel really insecure today because this thing happens. And I just told him the truth. And I'm like, this is not at all about what's going on right now. This is me feeling like I'm not enough and wanting to feel something outside of myself. But you're not going to be able to source that at the end of the day. Like, I can't get that from you. And so he and I, it completely shifted the conversation entirely because of course, like, he always just wants me to be happy. He's in the two and, you know, he's just like, what's wrong? You know, and he can't fix it for me because it's an inside job at the end of the day. So I definitely have leaned into that real raw vulnerability of knowing, like, hey, like, you can talk right now, like you would as a five year old. You do not. This is your husband, right? This is not a stranger. You don't need to tell him, you know, all the self development, you know, jargon and bullshit. Like, you can literally just be like, I'm hurting and it's not about you and you can't fix it.

Fucking love that so much. And this is what I love about fours and eights. This is where we're a lot alike, is we are solid rocks for people. Like, you obviously are a little different than I am. Where I'm more like strength and protectiveness and power. Where you are like, I am a safe place for all your emotions, for people. Like, your capacity to, to be there and never judge and hold space. Like, you guys are way better than that, than an eight is. But you and I as four and eights both love that part of who we are. However, when the tables get turned, we are the least likely to lean into our own vulnerability. But when we do, like you just did, that's true intimacy and true connection. And when force feel that, like their magic all comes out. Yeah, let's talk about your magic. For a second. Because you went from having a marketing agency and business coaching to, next thing I know, Holly is kind of off the grid for a little bit. And I started to see her birth what I knew all along was probably where she would end up. So how do you make that transition and keep the blinders on enough to not get outside of yourself, to not, you know, quit before the miracle happens in what you're like. What was that moment that you're like, I'm done with marketing and business. And this is. Even though you still do, but it's coming from a different place. It's not leading with, I'm a marketing agency.

Yeah. Yeah.

What was the moment that you're like, oh, shit. Oh, shit, we're taking a turn here. And I don't know what's going to happen, but I know this is what needs to happen because that's usually where Four quits.

Yeah, Seriously. It has been a whole, whole epic journey, for sure. And I look back and I think about how it all connected and how, you know, therapy and EMDR led me to coaching and working with coaches like you. And, you know, it started out with hiring, like, strategy coaches and business coaches, and then it's like, oh, wait, this is deeper than that. And then I'm working with, you know, with you on enneagram and inner child work and all the things. And then that led me to healers, and that led me to becoming a healer, and it all connects and it's all, like, so valuable just based on kind of like, where you are and what medicine you need in your individual path. But for me, I have always, like, I am a pivoter. I am a professional pivoter. Like, that's. That's just what I am. And it's, you know, it's natural to an enneagram 4, for sure. But I pivoted based on what other people wanted from me, right? So, like, I would pivot to a different company, and I'm like, oh, well, this is an awesome company. I can sell the hell out of their products and, you know, I can really, really do great work with them and just promoting that company or whatever. And then I became an entrepreneur, and I immediately abandoned my dreams. From, like, two weeks in, I was like, oh, well, what people need is a marketing agency. And I know how to do that because I'm a. I'm a professional marketer. So I did that, and then I evolved it from there, and it was really all about what people needed and what would make me feel seen and make Me feel valuable in the world, right? And then as I grew and as I healed, it's like, hold on. Okay, yes, I still want to be able to serve people, but I want to serve them with my magic. Like, and what truly is that? And so it was that path of discovering what that is. And, you know, I say this now, and I will continue to say it forever because I'm sure that I'll continue to evolve. I will always bring whatever it is that's transforming my life into what I do for others if it feels like my soul work. Right. And so that path led me to you, you know, which then led me in 2021, to working with a shamanic healer who really, really changed my life and just became a huge soul connection and person that I just think so highly of. And then that led me to the path of the healer. But, you know, I ultimately had no desire for that in the beginning. I started a program in January and started training in this. In this energy work, in this healing modality. But I went for self development. I went for personal development. I had no desire to actually incorporate this into my business or become a healer. However, I had started last year doing intuitive purpose coaching. I really just was working with women who were coming to me thinking they had a marketing problem. And I'm like, you have a passion problem.

Boy, do you know this? Well, you wrote the book.

Yeah. Marketing is truly easy when you are in your soul calling. When you're in your purpose, oh, my God. You do not need to work that hard to get people to see it. Right? I mean, yes, there's strategy and there's things in that that are so important, but at the end of the day, if you're truly, it is about the work and you are in your calling, it's. It's just not that hard. So I started working with women. I'm like, hold on. What if you did this? And then as I grew in my own path and incorporated healing modalities that had changed my life and started, you know, working on others and accepted that healer's right. And I found even when I'm not doing healing sessions, which is a part of my work now, it's one of the many modalities that I use in intuitive purpose coaching. But even if I'm just in a strategy session, because I have accepted that responsibility to do energy healing work, I end up, like, asking one question and somebody's literally tears are just falling, and they're just in their feels and feeling all their passion. So ultimately, it doesn't even matter to me what kind of work I do. If you're booking this session versus that session, if you want a healing or you want a strategy session, it's all going to end up in the same place. Because that's my magic. That's my gift.

Well, and it's really where we are one with our soul and the divine. Where the soul and the divine really can meet and do the magical I get. So often people come to me for strategy and like enneagram, I'm like, next thing you know, they're in the fetal position talking to their inner child. And like, with so much love. Because it's like, that's exactly where we needed to go. And I love that you keep bringing in intuition. That is the gift of the four more than any of the other types. But I remember when you were about to break out because I remember towards the end of our work together, this was the direction you were going. And I. It just hit me as you were saying that I'm like, I remember her. You were either going to purchase or get help from somebody. That I was like, don't give them money. Yeah, don't give them money. And it's like, I'm so glad you didn't.

Yeah.

And that you went and found the right people for that. You know, and that's the thing. Like, once we feel that, that pull, we want to really rush into those decisions. And I'm not saying that you were, but you were like, I know where I'm going. I know where I'm going and who's the best guide. And you and I both know sometimes the best guide isn't the most accessible all the time or just the ones marketing the best aren't the best guides. And that's what some of the shit in your space. This intuitive kind of divine coaching and purposeful coaching and like coming from the divine intuitive space. There's a lot of manipulation out there. And I'm telling you guys right now, this girl is the real deal right here. I would have never brought her on if I thought there was any kind of manipulative marketing or extra woo woo bullshit that wouldn't serve you. We're both about the woo. But when it's coming from the right places. So it hit me when you're. I was like, oh, I remember when there are some of these people out there. I was like, I'm so glad you didn't do that. So what. How did you reconcile though? Like, grieving the old identity. Yeah. And stepping into the new one. Even though. Yes. You're a professional pivoter and it's not your first rodeo in doing that. You've usually pivoted and kind of just swept that part of you aside and not fully grieved it. But knowing what you. Who you are today, I know that there was a grieving process of what was and what is to be. And even though it's exciting and new and, you know, it's like a. Yes.

Yeah.

How did you reconcile in. In grieving the old version.

Yeah. I sometimes think that we are here on earth to grieve, you know, and really just die a thousand little deaths and until we die the big one. And I think that it's beautiful. That process is beautiful. And we're always growing and rebirthing and we do have to honor sort of where we've come from. And, man, I'll tell you, like, stepping into, like you said, sort of like, there is a lot of manipulative stuff going on in this industry. And, you know, there's people out there on the other side who are like, you know, let's regulate the entire coaching industry. And I'm like, hold on.

Okay.

So I really struck for a balance at the end of the day, like, it was really important to me to be like a true trained healer, like actual training in techniques and, you know, licensed and insured and all the things. Right. But at the same time, this isn't intuitive work. It is not. It's not something you can regulate at the end of the day, but coming to terms with sort of like letting all parts of myself be seen and not. I think the death for me was like, I can't hide anymore. Like, I can't put on the three mask. I can't, you know, say, oh, this is the company I'm promoting, or, oh, I do, you know, marketing agency or whatever, so that it feels more comfortable because it's what people understand. Like I told Tony the other day, I'm like, I feel like I'm a neat party trick at these networking events because, you know, yeah, you. You get a blend. Like, some people are like, very open minded. And then some people are like, what are you talking about?

They run like hell.

Yeah. At the end of the day, you know, I lead with what I lead with, which is I help women step into their highest power and their highest, you know, execution of their purpose. Right. And that is what the work is. The modalities are really going to be based on where the person is and what they need at that moment. But, yeah, I think the Death. The real death for me was letting go of the hiding. Letting go of being able to, you know, just be like, oh, cool. Like, I'm businessy. Like, I. You know, I don't make anyone uncomfortable.

Because that's not how we lead. That's not true leadership. Right? We lead by going first. You can't do groundbreaking work if you're not willing to break ground.

So I gotta be honest. I don't know if I've ever been more proud of someone that I've worked with. And I'm being completely honest with you. Like, I'm almost speechless right now because, like, this is. This is. This is who you are, and this is who I saw. And I'm so. Like, the posture and the confidence, it's all fucking genuine, you guys. Like, this is the real fucking deal right now. And to see you not minimizing your gift and not running from it, and I know the impact and the compound effect of the work you're doing, but not just for the others, but for you and little Holly that deserved this all along. And that you two, you and her are on this journey together, really using some of the hard parts of you and her life for something magical. And it's like, well, we had to go through that so that we could do this not just for other people, but for ourselves. And just watching you and listening to you, it's like I can envision you and you taking her little hand and just saying, we got this, and we're gonna go make this matter for something amazing. I'm so proud of you. Like, seriously. Seriously.

As you can see, I'm trying not to tear up and cry. It's just been such a beautiful journey, and I'm so grateful to you. I mean, you did. It shifted.

You freaking did it. I just was the messenger. Like, seriously.

Yeah, but you held my hand and you helped me clear the boulders, right? Like, we can clear rocks sometimes on our own, but sometimes we need somebody to push the boulder with us. And you, you did that with me.

I will receive that. It's what you're. Why I do this work. People like you and what I'm hearing and seeing and what I've been seeing all along, but, like, actually, like, hearing what the last year, not being in your circle every day, like, we were.

Yeah.

But to, like, see it in real time with this conversation not only just really fills me up, just on a personal level, but I know that you have just helped thousands and thousands of people with your authenticity and your intuitive gifts. And I know, like, Bringing intuition into what we do. I think so often people are operating on instinct, which is reaction to whatever's happening. And they're kind of like putting a tourniquet around their intuition. You guys, again, I don't bring anyone on or promote anybody that I wouldn't fully like, say hell yes to. I know there are many of you that feel like you have this energetic and fulfillment tourniquet around you that you don't know how to access the flow of who you are and what you're designed to be. How can people find you? How can people work with you to really have that brought to the surface and then shown what to do with it? Because you're. You're living proof of that, quite honestly.

Yeah. I mean, I think that's one of the other things that you taught me the most, was what integrity really is. It's embodying your work. It's being the living example of it. Right. Being all parts of yourself, doing the work right alongside everyone else. And I do that every day. I was, you know, doing work on myself today, this morning, you know, and yeah, so you can find me. My website is Holly Burgess.com. i am on Instagram, Facebook and LinkedIn. It's at. I am Holly Burgess on every platform and I do intuitive purpose coaching and healing sessions. My work looks like a couple of different paths. A lot of people will start with me with intuitive strategy sessions and get their head around where they're headed and then, you know, graduate into healing work and healing sessions. Some people go right in. I also have a program that's one on one and it incorporates all three. I use my method called the clear ignite burn method. And we do the energy work to clear your chakras and your energy field from the things that are holding you back, the limiting beliefs that are there that are living inside you. And then we use intuitive development tools through the goal to ignite your purpose and then we work on the strategy. So I have been there, done that. I have burned it all down and started again many, many times. So whether you are stepping into the next level of your purpose or trying to figure out what that is, it truly doesn't matter. It's ultimate about clearing the things that are keeping you from getting there.

I love it, you guys. She is pure gold and my love, Holly, you are magical in my life and thank you for just trusting me many years ago and just walking your talk in all you do today. It's so rare and it's such an honor to watch. Even knowing I had a little tiny sliver like front row seat to this whole thing. I really, it means the world to me that not only you shared that with me, but now you're sharing it with the world and all the people listening to this podcast. So thank you so much for all you do. You guys, if you love this episode or if you're an enneagram 4 or you love or lead 1, fours can be very challenging and confusing. They're very mysterious and it can change on a moment's notice. And I think that is also their gift. Right. But I can understand like when you are in relationship with them, that can be challenging. If you are a four, I'm sure you have probably just felt so seen, heard, understood and valued for who you are. We need you to step into your gifts just like Holly has. If you love this episode, share it with somebody. Tag us on Instagram. I'm Tracy o' Malley or tracyomalley on Instagram. She is Amhollie Burgess on Instagram. It would mean the world to us if you got something out of this that you let us know and we can continue to pay this stuff forward. I love you, Holly. Thanks for blessing us all today.

Ah, I love you too.

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