EP380: Mastering your Magic and Elevating Excellence with Rebecca Cafiero (SX Enneagram 7)

Hello and welcome back to another episode of Lead with the Enneagram. Today's episode is with one of the most important, influential, special and trusted people in my life. I've known Rebecca Caffiero for almost 10 years now, and especially the last few years, I would say as I've gone and moved through some of the most vulnerable areas of my life in relationship, in business. She is over and over and over again my go to call for love, support, wisdom, friendship, non judgment, all the things. And she is hands down probably my most coachable student of the Enneagram. She invites me into every single group, program, mastermind that she holds. I am her go to personal development person within her communities. She has referred me to powerhouse companies and friends of hers to bring my gift into their teams, their marriages, their families. Rebecca Caffiero is the CEO and founder of the Pitch Club, which is a PR agency for women. And she also is a beautiful teacher of doing pr. But her heart to serve is something that honestly you can't teach and it's unmatched. I'm so excited for you guys to hear her heart, her wisdom, her soul, her journey as an enneagram 7. She's got the 7 to 8 tri type as well. And one of my best, best friends. So let's dive in.

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All right, you guys, you have one of my most favorite beloved people that I get to interview today and drop some love and wisdom into you. Rebecca, Hello.

And what I love. It's our third time.

Is it her third time?

It is. I think back in 2020, when we were just reconnecting in our friendship. And then I think last year.

Wow, you guys. Like, Rebecca has been in my life for a decade, and, you know, we just are fresh off of her live event that she does weekend at the Pitch Club. And I had the honor of speaking again this year, and it was cool because throughout the event, we got to hear, like, pre Rebecca, post Rebecca from a lot of people. And honestly, like, since you have reemerged in my life in the last three and a half years, everything about it gets better, especially in my vulnerability. And that's not easy for me to do as, you know, and especially as an enneagram 8, and especially with women on top of it. You are probably the closest feeling female, other than my daughter that I let get into that real vulnerable space where I lift the curtain and let you see. I don't know. I felt like the people listening needed to know that and to know how.

If they're watching the clip, I'm like, it took you a whole two minutes to make me. Make me cry.

The good news is, I think I'm gonna bring Rebecca back quarterly because she's so wise. She's an enneagram 7. She's the free spirit. So she has the 728 tri type, which means, you know, she's a visionary and operates like a seven, but she has that compassionate, like, love of a two that I love so much. And she's Spicy like an 8, you know, in the way that she executes things. So we really, really, like, two of our three centers of intelligence, we match in. Right? So I think that I'm gonna bring her back more and more because she just is so wise and smart and very, very brilliant in business. So let's go back for.

I'm gonna say I'm also gonna bring you back, which I don't know if we've talked about this, because you. I feel like in. In. Not in my podcast or my community at the event, I am talking so much about the Enneagram that people that don't speak that language, it's like I feel like they're being left out. And the two of me is like, I don't want anyone to be left behind. And, and also just, you know, your friendship is one of the most valuable things in my life when you talk about, you know, feeling seen. But the other side of that is the tool. I mean, even if we weren't friends, right? The tool that you have given me of the Enneagram is also one of the most valuable things I've ever received in the way that I live my life. The way that I look at myself and understand myself and, and literally everyone around me, right.

I remember back in 2020, like we've been following each other for years. Like obviously we have like the early stages of our friendship back in, you know, that affiliate network marketing space and like so grateful that that brought you into my life. Like so many other beautiful things that has brought into my life. But I remember, you know, I've been following you and watching you and I saw this like, evolution of you, especially in the, the world of branding and PR and marketing, which, like, you're brilliant in that arena. And I remember, I can't remember was I in an airport or you. When we had a call, what was it?

I was at the airport and I. It was, it was when you just first started offering the Enneagram and I had booked. I think I booked it and I took my test and we were going over my report.

What made you. Had you heard of the Enneagram before me?

The funny thing is I. I feel like I might have done one of the free tests, like trying. I tried to do them. I don't even know if I finished it, but I didn't remember what I was. So if I had done it before, it did not land in, in my consciousness. And one is that you had done this pivot and you were, you know, leaning into it heavily and talking about it. And I've always loved personality tests. Like anything, not just I. It's not just that I love personality tests. I love anything I can learn more about myself, right? And how I function in the world. So.

Well, I think, you know, you and I have, I think all of us, anybody that does cool shit in the world has been through a lot of shit usually. And I think, you know, to your talking about anything that helps us become more self aware and understand ourselves, especially when you're dealing with complex stuff that's happened in your life. You know, you're. You start asking yourself, is this who I am? Or is this a coping mechanism? Or what is this? And sometimes it can get murky. Where were you at in 2020? Obviously, we know what happened in 2020, but this was even before it. I thought, like, we had this conversation that made you say, okay, I like what she's talk about. Obviously, I know you love me and all of that, but where. Where were you at in decision making or in business? Family? I know you just had a kid at that time. Like, what made you say, okay, I want to learn more about myself through this tool.

I'm literally going back to my January 2020 calendar because there was a few significant events that happened. Oh, here's. Here's what they were. I'm like, ah, this makes so much sense. So the first week of the year, the. The first full week we had done, I had done a brand camp. It was our fifth in person, and it fell off. And I didn't know why, because it was the second one that I had done with my daughter. Like, meaning I literally brought her. She. She was born in 2019, so she was a baby. I brought her. And even despite bringing her, I just felt like. I was like, is this the thing? And. And that had been something that I'd been really excited about, not just scaling, but just what I was doing. And I was like, I could see impact, and I love the experience and creating the community, but I was like, okay, something's off. A week after that, literally, I think I got home on Sunday and then I went to a mastermind. And at that mastermind, I had a lot of opportunity to think about, like, what would it look like to, like, build something different? Or is what I'm doing, does it fulfill me? And if it does, where am I going? And I had an idea that I'd been playing around with that I kind of voiced there. We had to say where we would be a year from now, as if it was a year later. And I went up and I had this clarity. I'm like, I'm going to build this thing called the pitch Club. I wasn't even exactly sure what that was. I knew I was finally going to launch my book that I had been writing on and off for three years. And there were just a few specific things. And I was like, and I need to build my personal brand intentionally. And so I professed all of that. And the cool thing was I won the.

It was.

It was actually a pitch contest. We didn't know that they didn't tell us that. But at the end everyone voted. And. And then the week after that was that event. And in that social selling business, that network marketing business, I always knew that like, I would lose steam.

Yeah.

I mean, at least after the first year, the first year I was just able to like muscle through it on opportunity. But as I was in longer and longer and started coming up with these other creative things like the brand camp, these other ideas that I was really excited about, I would utilize those two times a year events as the. This is going to motivate me to get through the next 90 days. Like, this is going to put me in momentum. This is going to re. Energize me. And it worked always. And I went to that event and I was like, oh, no, this is. Didn't give me like I got nothing from it.

Yeah.

And in that moment. So I had decided kind of in the two week period, I decided to reach out to my business partner and brain camp and I shut it all down and I didn't know where I'd go with it at the time. I just was like, this isn't feeling good right now and it's feeling really hard and not in a I am growing through something, but in a this is not aligned. So I said, let's just put it on pause. I said, I think I want to build something else. And so I. It's just funny because I don't know that I went into that week or maybe I had the blueprint somewhere and I was like, oh, I need to book my call to go through it. But I felt like that event, I was like, I wanted to go home with clarity.

Mm.

And that appointment was the clarity.

How do you know? Because I think there's a lot of talk of like, we, we get to this point professionally and sometimes even in personal relationships where stuff's not in alignment anymore and it's a buzzword. Right. Or it's time to make a pivot another buzzword. How do you discern between this isn't an alignment anymore or you're playing smaller self sabotaging or blowing up your life like how. And discern the difference. How did you know back in 2020? I know how you know now.

Right.

But how did you know back then? Like, this isn't. This isn't it for me anymore.

I, I think for, for me, I was looking through the. I have my go to tools that always work and when I say go to tools. So whether that's now it's breath work or it's meditation or it's writing out, journaling or whatever those tools are that when I'm feeling in a funk, because sometimes funks can be literally hormonal. Sometimes they can be, like, stuff going on in the world. Right. Like Covid. And they can be these things outside of us, but if we do certain things over and over, it can bring us out of that. So for me, it's like, okay, if I get up early and I move my body and I listen to something inspirational or a podcast and I eat healthy, I know I will feel pretty good.

Right?

Right. That. That is like the baseline. And if I'm doing all of those things, I'm utilizing those tools to feel good. And yet what I'm doing is not making me feel good, then there's something wrong with what I'm doing.

Same.

And if. Especially when I look at, like, I look at reset opportunities. So I love events because they're opportunities to, like, get. Get away from ourselves and our normal environment and to dream and to, you know, reimagine and to recommit and those events, typically, whether, you know, it's a mastermind event or even it's like a travel weekend, like, I love a long flight because I feel like I get to like to do list my whole life. If one of those events does not get me excited and I still feel blah, then I am just doing the wrong things.

Right. So I felt the same way about that event that I knew. Like, oh, shit. Like, that part of the story's over. Right. And, you know, there's a relief in declaring that. And then there's always the holy now what then? And I think that's where you were when we had that conversation. I think it was right after that event that we had that conversation. So when we're talking about you as an enneagram7, what gave you excitement and a plan? And what about being in that seven was like, oh, shit. Like, that explains a lot of maybe where I get tripped up.

Well, and the amazing thing is, I think on that test, I was like, equal between a seven and a three.

And. But you said to me, rebecca, I know you, because obviously Casey's also a seven. And you said, you're a seven. And you gave me. And I still don't remember all of it. And I don't think I ever. I think I watched the recording again at one point, which is rare. I rarely ever go back to anything to rewatch. And you said a few things to me, but it was one. It was just very validating. That's like I walked away feeling very validated in who I was. I walked away feeling permission that it was I was meant to be someone that goes for what I'm excited by. But I also understood from you, like where that can be unhealthy. But you said a couple of things to me. And one is you said that when I now I understand going to my healthy five, right when I go into this place where I don't get distracted and I'm not chasing a million things and I can go and like create something that that was the best place for me. And what I didn't realize is I was already setting myself up for that right when I shut down brand camp. And then when I got this idea, this new thing. But I wasn't really taking action on it because I was waiting for that network marketing event to be like, well, how much time do I want to dedicate to something new before I even start it versus this? And when the network marketing event didn't light me up and you gave me permission as a seven to follow what lights me up, all of a sudden I had no obligations and I had total freedom to build the thing that I wanted to build.

So the thing with being a seven, you guys, is, you know, they are shiny object chasers. Like it is, it's their thing. Like they're visionaries. They're excited about anything's possible. Like they really do believe that. And a lot of times the reframe, they're the masters of the reframe too. Like if it's not in alignment, we'll just chase something else right before kind of thinking it through. And sometimes, I mean, I know you've done this a lot where you'll yes yourself to all sorts of things and the reality of what that takes and the cost that has on your life and the other areas of your life. Like sometimes that's where sevens get tripped up. And when you took that, it was like a six month kind of cocoon season. Oh, right. And exactly it. Like Sevens don't love where things aren't exciting and sparking joy and all of the things. But she understood that a temporary season to be in this 5k the cocoon, to be able to execute the anything's possible vision for the pitch club needed to happen. And you don't like resist the cocoon anymore.

No, I know. And now, now I like actually learned that like I crave it the other thing. So I like I said, shut things down. And then it was February and we had our a Pair coming into February because my husband at the time, you know, Eugenia was building, building his startup and it was basically I was solo parenting and I had a, you know, Vivi was nine months old, eight months old. She was eight months old. So it was also that I was just at a point where everyone in my life that is core to me, my husband and my children needed so much more for me. And I didn't have the emotional or like calendar bandwidth to pursue all these things. So I was like, I just need to get rid of all the noise because I just felt, I felt overwhelmed and unenthused. And as a.

That's like worst case scenario.

It's the worst case scenario because I can be overwhelmed and excited. Yeah, I can be like, I have too much going on and I love it all, but I'm gonna pull an all nighter and I'm gonna catch up. Right?

Yeah.

And I wasn't feeling any of these things. And it was, it was perfect because February, I started to dive in and give myself permission. I started like, okay, what is this thing I'm building out? And started working on? I even, I mean, I came back from that event and I hired a company, which is where I met Elise, that was gonna help me with the build out of it. Cause I said, I can't do it all. I have to get help and I'm going to do this really well. You know, you look at the. I can do things. One, I can do things. There's three ways. There's good, fast and cheap. Pick two. And I said, I have been doing things really well, but they've been taking too much time because I've been trying to do it all myself and I'm going to now invest in myself. The other beautiful thing is I still had network marketing income. So I was like, I can actually stop everything that's making me money except that, and take this time intentionally to do it really well.

And then the pandemic happened. So March happened and everything shut down. And it's so funny because right around that same time I didn't realize that my email to my website, which wasn't my primary email, I used my personal email, my old email, but my professional email somehow got disconnected. And I just thought because of COVID no one was emailing me. And I was like, this is great. Well, it was just that I don't even know where the emails went. I, I'm sorry if someone ever sent me an email during that time, but I literally, basically everyone was in this like cocoon. And I, after, you know, a few weeks down the rabbit hole and realizing this is not benefiting me, it gave me permission, like literally that time gave me permission to continue that deep dive. And then the other thing combined with my enneagram type is I'd been through the Vegas. I mean, I'd been through the real estate recession while in real estate in Vegas. And early in March when things started to go sideways, I had that feeling that I'd had in 2007, but I didn't know what it was then. And here's the analogy that I use is if we're all on a freeway and we're driving and this is like entrepreneurship, it was real estate at the time. We're driving and we're all like, you know, kind of going the same speed, more or less, we're slightly sleeves, you know, changing lanes. And then all of a sudden something happens. What happens is everyone pulls off to the side, right when there's like a pandemonium, everyone pulls off. They just freeze. And that's what happened in the pandemic is most people froze. They pulled off to the side because when they didn't have certainty of what was happening, they just didn't do anything. And because I'd seen that in 2007, 2008, 2009, I pulled off, I did the same thing. I was like, oh, what's happening? I'm gonna do nothing, right? Or I'm not gonna do things that are forward facing. I'm gonna be in survival mode. And then I. But I watched and learned this in retrospect, that a few of my friends who either had studied finance or understood real estate, cycles, et cetera, like some of them had sold their houses right before, and then two years later they were picking up, you know, foreclosures. Like, I saw a lot of people lose everything and I saw a few people that did really well. And there was a certain energy about that time. And I was like, Unlike my normal 7 of like all the shiny objects, I'm going to do this, I'm going to put blinders on and not just build, but be aware that if I now I realize it's the eight, it's the certainty. If I tap into that certainty. People are looking for certainty and of course only selling what I am certain or serving what I'm certain of. But I felt like I was able to Quantum leap in 2020 in my business, in my brand, in my thought leadership, all of these things, because I recognize that pattern and I didn't pull over the Side of the road, I pulled into the fast lane.

So one of the things, like, when you drink the Kool aid of the Enneagram and not just like, yeah, it's cute. Yay, I'm a seven. All the things. But you actually start integrating. Integrating it. And you did, like, you understood that, yes, I'm motivated. I fear, like, a 7, but I have all these other kind of tools, and there's a framework to our Enneagram type. And, like, you're dropping, like, the five, the eight, like, the two, the, like, an understanding, all of that, and you started integrating that in real time real quick. How did that accelerate? You know, because especially in business, you can get excited and especially when you're like, feel it in your whole body, your nervous system, your breath work. It's like, this is a fuck yes. Like, I'm doing the pitch club. How did you use the other framework attached to you to not like. Because sevens can forward think so fast. You see the end zone, you know exactly how this ends, and. And you kind of, like, try to rush to get there. How did you use the other framework attached to you to not necessarily slow your role a little bit, but make it more intentional so that this brand could go the distance for the long game?

Well, first, I didn't know the tri types at this time, right? So I was operating off of. I understood seven the, you know, the enthusiastic visionary, which felt really good, you know, And I understood that I could lean into the wings of the six to reverse engineer, which I'd always been good at in my sales career and in management. Management. But I would lean into the five to, like, get quiet and deep dive, which I look back in. In my journalism career when I won, you know, awards in journalism is because I literally. I won news story of the year in college, and I mean, like, for the nation for an investigative piece where I was down at the courthouse pulling microfilms. That is a very five thing to do.

Yeah. That's not a seven move.

No, I mean, I look at, like, you know, in the True Crime, like, Like, when I finally write my fiction book, it's gonna have, like, I'm gonna have a whole wall with, like, threads pulled. Like, yeah, that's the five.

Yeah.

Like, I joke with my friends, you know, I was with them this weekend, and someone was, like, looking up somebody sketchy, and I'm like, let me look at that. And I was like, here's the person right here. I'm like, how they're, like, how you find. I'm like, I Went to the, the person in common and looked at who followed them and they're like, how'd you know that? I'm like, I don't know. But that's my five. That's my investigator, right? And so you just gave me the tools of like, the 5 is a healthy place to go. And the other one was understanding where my unhealthy is is the one, right? And I had realized in the past I didn't know what it was, but I realized, like, I'm non judgmental and I'm doing all these things and I'm like, you know, it doesn't really matter how we get there, as long as we get there, all of this. And then I would go under stress and I would cut off relationships or I would, like, I say give people emotional whiplash because I'd go from being like, it's all good, you know, fun, fun, fun, to like, no, this is the one way to do it. And I would be super black and white and understanding that that's what would happen when I was in stress. I could start to catch myself before I blew up or before I, you know, cut someone off. And I'm like, ooh, this is really interesting. So in the beginning, it was just the framework of here's my natural strength, here's where I go when I'm, here's where I can help myself go, and here's where I can avoid going. And then you said something else to me that I don't even know if you realize this, but you said sevens are all about experience and community, right? Experiencing community. I was like, oh, this is so interesting. And yes, I understood the experience. And that's why brand camp, like, bringing women together, like, worked really well, even though the container wasn't right. But when I looked at building the pitch club while I was building out content for it, right. Which is the strategy and how to and all of that. What kept coming back to me was one, I want to know that people are getting results. I need that feedback mechanism, right? I want to understand their experience and then how can I make it better? Leaning into the six. But with my very first, with my first mastermind, it was how do I create an experience not just in the time together, which because we, by the way, at that time we were not in person. We were. It was all over video. So it's like, how do you over zoom create an experience that is like none other, Right. And how do you create really deep community again when it's all virtual? And you just gave me These, this language that helped me understand myself and then helped me to focus on my strengths. Because I think so often when we don't really understand our strengths, it's easy to focus on improving our weaknesses.

Right.

Which is. It's like, yeah, know those. So you can delegate them out or.

Know it's your blind spot. Like at least recognizing that's a blind spot for you. It's not a strength, but exactly. You don't have to annihilate yourself about it.

And then from there it was, you know, when we, we came back in person in 2020, it's so crazy. 18 months ago, 2022, I had my first event and I remember I reached out to you and I asked you, I said, hey, I'd love you to speak at my retreat. And we decided to type everyone because it was our first in person retreat, type everyone for the Enneagram. And.

It was. I mean, that's where I really learned not only about myself, but I learned about the other types. Because before that I was like, okay, this is helpful for me. But I didn't understand how to apply it to other people. And we did the retreat where you broke it down and I was like, this is mind blowing.

Yeah.

Because then I'd already been working with some of those people for, you know, a few months. So you, you typed all the women and then taught them at the Mastermind retreat. And so they had not only a common language that they understood and could communicate together, but then I understood as their mentor, as their coach. I'm like, wow, now I know what they look like. And now I know what they look like, when they're going to go into stress or when. Or how to, how to lovingly call them into stretch. Right. Or growth. And then you did the call with.

Me and, you know, so I think one of the things that I want to touch on is when we are in alignment, things move really, really fast. And although like the dopamine hits and, and the adrenaline is very exciting, it can also create this like, okay, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. That was too fucking easy. Right? And especially when you like, we're in that fast lane and it was total alignment. And like, this is a. Hell yes. I think sometimes I do this to myself too. It scares me. It's like I can't. How. How am I going to be able to sustain this and maintain this? And is the rug going to be, you know, because I have my own kind of trauma from like the 2008. It's like, oh, My gosh, is the rug going to be pulled out from underneath me? And that's why understanding your framework for yourself first, like, okay, I understand why I'm freaking out a little bit and it's okay. And I don't have to like play small or blow up my life. But also when you're in alignment like you are and you're building community and you're doing things like you're doing like a mastermind is a high level kind of thing and people are investing big money and they trust you with not only a big chunk of change but also a direction to go in. And I think especially because you'd experienced it for yourself and then you saw what that could do for that group. I think this is why it's so important to understand like first yourself, like the most important person you'll ever lead is yourself. But then in order to lead other people in a way that you can have a system and a framework and a methodology, but the delivery of that has to be different depending on who's in front of you. Just like our children, right? Like you have two totally different kids. So do I. When I did that in person retreat, I remember that like, because, you know, in watching the light bulbs go off to the certain women, I mean it was like 25 people, like a lot.

We had where it was, yeah, 20 something people there.

So I think also, like, for you as the facilitator and mentor, it's really important to understand like, oh, when this person's doing this, this is what it means. It doesn't mean that they're lazy or don't give a shit or they're going to project stuff on me. This is what's happening for them. And also as a facilitator, knowing how to connect people where somebody's really strong and somebody, this isn't their strength and you can create a win win because you know exactly who they are as far as like their motives and their fears. Like, and so I think it also built more credibility for you as that mentor like you, because you could accelerate transformation and results. Right?

I mean that's, that's the thing is like the accelerating transformational results. Because with before the Enneagram, when I was coaching someone and they were going through a challenge, right. Or even just I was just communicating with them. I had to work so much harder. Yes, because you're hoping that something sticks when you understand their motivations and their fears and how they show up and their behavior and all of these things. And you also know how to Support them in the way that's most helpful for them. That's unique. It's not just your method, your way. Right. Like, I'm able to use different tools and it's like the golden rule versus the platinum rule, right? The golden rule is like, treat everyone like you want to be treated. Well, not everyone wants to be treated like a seven. No, the platinum rule is treat them like they want to be treated. So if I have a client that's a one, I'm going to work with her in a very different way than I am a seven or that I am with a two. And now having the language as a coach has helped me so much to one feel like people have people to get more seen and understood and then for me to align the strategies that I'm giving them and also to be able to tell when they're. They're going through a tough time because I, you know, a 7 is going to look like overwhelmed, you know, or super mad because they go into their one where a two is going to look very different. And I don't feel like I get whiplash anymore. But, but back to what you said about the Mastermind. From the very beginning in 2020, I wanted to create something that the deliverable result was incredible. And so that's why, you know, I looked at. All right, I've been in a lot of masterminds and when we were in a mastermind together, and I love them and they're very like, they're, they're very much containers for transformation. If you put, if you show up and put a lot into it, right. What we have both seen, and I know I've seen it in every mastermind I've been part of, is you have people that show up and they like, put in a ton of effort and they get a lot out. And then you have people that, you know, sometimes life is happening and they, they put in maybe a little less and then you're like, you can hear rumblings of, did I get out what I wanted? Right? But I said, how can I make sure that if someone just shows up, they're going to get everything that they need to look back and say, this was the most valuable thing I've ever done. And so I started it out with what I would say are very deliverable stuff like, okay, I'm going to ensure that they become a best selling author and I'm going to make sure that they get PR wins, right? They're going to have a brand or CEO glow up. But what happened when I added in the Enneagram, which was our. I think it was our second group. Second or third group. Third group was our third group that started it. So we. I did the mastermind twice. And what happened when we incorporated the Enneagram is one. They bonded so fast together as a group because they understood each other. And they. Even without. I mean, that was. They like, that was the second day they'd ever met.

Right.

You know, the Sevens are like, oh, you're my sevens. Or they had more compassion. And that just a better understanding. It allowed the group to get so much closer, faster, and to drop in deeper. The other side. They got better coaching from me, like, significantly better, without me having to necessarily learn anything more other than about the Enneagram. And the third thing is they understood themselves better.

Yeah.

And so that meant that the results we got out of that container were so much better because they were more tapped into themselves, they were more tapped into everyone else, and they were easier for me to coach. And I said then I was like, oh, this is always going to be part of it. And then I was like, Tracy, I need this everywhere. I need this not just for my clients. I need it for my family. I need it for everything.

So let's go there. So that happens to me a lot. When I'll come and do. Whether it's, you know, somebody, a team at Google, a mastermind, anything. There's always a few people like, oh my gosh, I need my wife to do that or I need my husband to do this. I need to understand. And you know, you've been with a Geno for over. For a decade now.

13 years.

Exactly. And you have a beautiful marriage and a beautiful life and two amazing children and lots of great things. And you're like, and I need to understand a few things because he's a three year seven. And although you guys are great, we.

Didn'T know he was a three at. But.

Right. So what. What about that was like, okay, like, I've seen this work in business, but why do I need this in my marriage too?

Well, I'll go back. So Eugenio and I. Geno often says, we're like the same person. We're like the same person. Right. And he would say that. And I. I think that's also why a lot of people thought I was a three if they knew Enneagram is because I could show up with like a three. And what I realized is I would use my seven of like, let's go for something and get excited. I would like channel my seven. But Then I'd use, you know, the eight as the action, like, and I'm going to be really good at it. And I would use that to achieve things often because I wasn't in alignment, right? And not that I'm not achieving things now, but I'm achieving things that feel so good to me and that are like my soul calling. And I used to achieve things because I felt good. The achievement would allow me to feel good enough to run for the next thing, but it wasn't the same come from. So both of us had looked like achievers. And that is his type. But he kept thinking that we were the same. And sometimes, yes, we had some of the same motivations.

Behaviorally. Behaviorally, you can look alike.

Behaviorally, we look alike.

The motive behind it is completely different.

Completely different. So I'd get frustrated because there were times that I felt like we were, you know, butting heads, which is very normal. But we were in a season. I mean, this is 20. I feel like this was like 20, 21, 2022. This was a season where I was. We were just having a really hard time. And we're both very growth oriented. Like, we both had a therapist, we both had coaches. But even if you're both growth oriented in a marriage, if you're not intentionally growing together, you are going to continue to grow apart. And so I looked at it, I was like, hey, we're both really growth oriented. And I told him, I'm like, I, you know, can we maybe we should see a couples counselor? But I was like, I don't know if I really want that. We were both seeing therapists individually. And so I knew I wanted to work with you, but I knew if I told him that, yeah, he was going to be like, yeah, I'm already. I've already got all this. Exactly. She's, you know, pushing. He used to. He called me the steamroller. Which is when I was going into my one of like, here's what you need to do and this needs to happen. Because I was, you know, past stress. So I just said, I said, let me do this on our date nights once a month I want to do something like, cool. So I was planning our date nights as surprises. And it started in the afternoon. And I think you were like the first one.

So I said, this is what we're gonna do. And I didn't even tell him until like the day of. And I was like, oh, we're gonna. And. But I made him take the enneagram, right? And I just said, this is just A way for us. I said it's. It's a one time thing. It's a way for us to understand ourselves more and understand our relationship and I think it's gonna be really fun.

Right.

So we had a solo session with you.

And what did he think about it? Like I know what he thought about it, but.

Oh.

Well. He loved the fact he was a three. He was like, yes, I'm an achiever. Which was really validating for him because this was trying to think if this was after he sold to John Deere. I think it was. Yeah, it was because it. That was 2020.

It was around the same time actually.

He.

He had really leaned often into his two and been. He'd been a bit of a pleaser and sorry honey, if you're listening to this.

And I. And so he and I like try type.

It's in his tri type.

It's in his tri type.

Yeah.

But we just had these very different come froms. I always say my husband is very nice and I'm very kind, but I will tell you no if I don't want to do something or if I don't want to eat something and, and he would not. But we went into it and when he found out he was the three, that he was the achiever, he was the see a goal, hit a goal. I think he felt so validated in a way that he hadn't been. I don't think that he had been seen as that guy. And I think that he also. A lot of the things he'd achieved looked like luck or.

Maybe like opportunity, privilege.

Yeah.

And he had humbled himself and not that being humble, there's nothing wrong with it. But he had allowed people to believe that. And I was like, you have worked really hard for what you've done and you can own that in a way that is not being a jerk.

Right, Right.

How did it affect the way that you started communicate with each other? Because I know one of the things he used to get frustrated with you with was this appearance of being lack, lacking focus. Like you would just move on to things where he is like I will finish everything through. Because you know he has to be the best where it like his. In his head where he was saying we're like the same person. But then you're kind of like operating like you're in a pinball machine sometimes. Right. Like I'm bouncing from this to this to this. And I know that was like one of his biggest frustrations. And I know when I was telling him like that's actually her spiritual gift. And you can't. Like, obviously, we do need to streamline it and make sure she's going into the Five cave a little bit more to see some of it through, but she's always going to have tons of ideas, and she's always going to chase them, and that's actually a really good thing. How did it change how he maybe judged you for being a little bit all over the place, which is the bad rap that Sevens get.

Well, one, it was really helpful to have him hear that from someone that wasn't me.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah. And he knows how close we are. So I was like. I was like, this is.

Well, you did a great job of saying, like, listen, you know, I may be your friend. Throwback. I am not going to sugarcoat this. I'm not. There's no. I'm not playing favorites.

Like, yeah.

Which I was also okay with because I don't get. I mean, it takes a lot to offend me. I'm, like, pretty unoffendable. So I'm like, listen, I want to know the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Right.

I'm not that sensitive.

What was really helpful is, I think it allowed him to see that there are times because of that seven, like, leaving my job. I mean, I was a VP of sales, the youngest female in a publicly traded company, and people thought I was insane.

Right.

But me doing that is what gave him the permission, and.

It's what gave him the permission that he ended up leaving his job when there was nothing wrong. Right. And it took, you know, it took a health diagnosis for him to. To. To really decide, like, enough is enough. But he saw the positives.

Yeah.

He's like, listen, if Rebecca hadn't been willing to take this giant risk, this big leap, he would not have had, I don't want to say the courage, but the permission to leave his job when he was no longer excited and he wanted to do something different.

But it also showed me that sometimes I, you know, over do it. And I think that we just both realized, like, where our strengths were and how to support each other in that and. And then also that those strengths could turn into weaknesses. But we needed to not be so hard on each other.

Right. You know, you've got two kids, and they're seven and four. Right. And they're.

They're. They're seven and four and four and eight.

Yeah. They have. She has a four, six son who's seven, and she has an eight daughter who's four. And I get a lot of questions about typing children. And it's very controversial. There's a lot of schools of thought on the Enneagram and children. It's not like we ever put an assessment in front of Luca or Vivi and said, hey, take this thing. And we never even mentioned, hey, you're this and you're that. But obviously, through our work together and my time with your kids, we have discerned that that's what they are. How has that played a part in how you speak to your kids and mother your kids and advocate for them?

Seems to be an entire podcast episode.

Yeah, we'll do that one.

I am so grateful for you and, like, the fact that, you know, my family to have this understanding. I mean, as valuable as it's been for myself and, like, for my. And I would say my. My business, what it has been for my family has been so much more, especially in avoiding some of the things that I feel like were challenges as a child. You know, my. My mom's a one, my stepdad's an eight, and my brother is an eight. And that was. That was a challenge for me to grow up in.

And I remember when I found out I was pregnant with V, just having a daughter, literally, as soon as I found out I was pregnant with Valentina, I hired a therapist. I was like, I have got to work through these things. The fortunate thing is when I learned from you what her tri type was and how to navigate that she was just at the age where she was talking. And so one, it helped me understand, like, why Valentina gets angry because, you know, like, I was like, wow. I just didn't. She didn't trigger me because I was so just. I just was so, like, I don't even know I know how to deal with this, that it didn't make me upset. But I'm like. I was like, I don't literally don't know how to deal with this, because she would just scream as a kid. She'd get mad. She would literally scream at me. Where Luca was like, such. You know, I mean, he was the happiest kid ever. Like, so easy. Such an angel baby. And what I now realize is he was mirroring so much of my emotions. But then as he's gotten older, all of a sudden, he would go through these really moody spells, and he would. He'd get really sensitive. But he also could be super competitive, right? And just knowing, for example, that he's a four, it's allowed me to say things like, I love your big feelings, because I have several Fours in my life, and they're so tortured often by the level of emotion they feel, and it's so sad.

Well. And people are uncomfortable with it, so they're quieted.

Exactly. Now I will say, as you know, I feel like sevens and fours get along really well because I love intensity. So I'm like, oh, I love your intensity now. To a point. But, yeah, it allowed me to have that language with Luca. That one. His feelings are okay because I grew up in a family where, you know, it's like, I'll give you something to cry about. And my husband also.

There would be times he's like, you need to stop crying. I'm like, no, he doesn't. You know, And. And my husband is an amazing dad.

Yes.

Even just having that language around, actually, we should support him through this. And the other day, I was sitting with Luca, and, you know, he now knows not only. Not only is it safe from dab. Big emotion, but that's part of what makes him special. Absolutely, is his big feeling. So we were sitting there, and he was telling me he knew what the F word meant. I asked him, and I was like, sure enough, he did. He knew what the word was. He asked me what that meant. I was like, oh. I was like, it means, like, destroy something, right? To mess something up. And he's like, well, what happens if someone says that to me? I said, well, I was kind of flipping. I was like, you can say sticks and stones will break my bones, but words were in love or hurt me. And he goes, mommy, you know, I am so tough in football. Like, the kid is constantly bruised and scratched. He's like, I'm so tough. It doesn't hurt me most of the time when in. When I'm playing football. But words hurt me so much. I said, oh, Luca, you're right. And so we talk about that. And it's also so beautiful because it's allowed me to really create a safe space where I remember one night I came in from work, and now I know my aura ring says that the time I'm most stressed in the day is actually the transition between work and being a mom. And so I'm learning to buffer that time really intentionally and hold that. But he said I had said something, and I wasn't. I didn't yell or anything, but I was a little short. And he said, mommy.

The way that you said that could have been nicer. Here's how you could have done it instead. That. And he was five at the time.

And I'm like, oh, my God, this.

Is so beautiful that I have this thoughtful feeling little boy. And I have learned a tool that allows me to make it safe for him to be thoughtful and feeling.

And I'm afraid to speak his truth.

Exactly. With respect.

And with respect.

With respect. And, you know, I sent you the. The email that I got from. He's, you know, he's playing baseball, and I got this email in baseball. And I mean, he loves. He definitely leans into his three in sports. He's, like, super competitive. He wants to play outside for. He loves it. He wants to play outside for an hour every day. So it's like his love and uniqueness also combined with, like, the three drive.

The competitive. Yeah.

But I got a letter from a coach on another team.

One of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in my life, that email.

I mean, I bawled my eyes out three times that night. I read. Well, the first I got it, and I started reading it, I was like, crying. And then he's like, mommy, why are you crying? And then I read it out loud to him. I just kept telling him, I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of your kind heart. Then I called my husband and read it, and I cried. And then, you know. Yeah, but basically there was a. There was a situation where some kids were quietly kind of talking trash about a little girl that was up to bat and kids on my. My son's team. And he didn't know that the coach who's standing at pitcher because it's Coach pitch was the dad of that little girl. And these teammates are saying, like, why is she even batting? She's not gonna get on the base. My son just said, hey, stop saying that. She's doing her best. Be a good sport. He goes, that's not good sportsmanship, what you're saying. And this.

His own team. To his own teammates.

To his own teammates. These are his friends.

Yep.

And so one, he's got the superpower of this beautiful heart that feels for everyone and feels big emotions, but we've made it safe. And this was where I think I was going to cry right now, where I was just. It's like, I'm proud of being his mom, but I'm proud because I've been able to equip myself with the tools to allow him to feel safe in advocating for himself, advocating for others, standing up for what's right in the world. Right. For being a good sport, for being an advocate. And you know that the coach wrote me this letter because I didn't Hear it. I mean, I was. I was on the bench, you know, playing or being, like, being, you know, supportive mom. And I just read that to him, and I said, luca, this is probably one of the most proud moments of my entire life. And I put it. I said, we're going to put this in your life scrapbook. I put it in my life scrapbook. I shared it with everyone I love. And I want him to always remember one, how proud I was because he stood up for someone else and he did the right thing. But I also want him to remember how right it is for him to, like, lean into that strength of his.

To feel it.

To feel it.

Yeah. So on the flip side of that, you have a spicy little firecracker daughter.

Oh, my gosh.

Who is my spirit animal. I love Valentina.

She's amazing.

So because a lot of your PTSD comes from being around and surrounded by eights growing up, and the fact it was a divine gift that you were gifted the daughter, you were like, just like me with my daughter. Right? I'm like, I don't even know what the hell to do with this, knowing that she's an 8, and she is one of the spiciest eights I've ever seen. How has understanding and integrating this tool helped with her?

I think the biggest thing with both of them is not to shame them ever for being who they are.

Yeah.

I think so often we're shamed for being naturally who we are, and that is so much damage to.

It is. Especially when it's different than us.

Right, Exactly. So it's made me really curious, and it's also made me see things. So, Vivi, when. Whenever she does something, when. I'm not gonna say wrong, but, like, whenever she drops her yogurt on the floor, right. Or smoothie, or she does something that is. Creates a problem, not. Not. It's not a problem. It's all fixable, right? She always says, mommy, are you mad at me?

Because her initial emotion is always anger.

Right.

Or mine's anxiety.

Right.

And Lucas is shame. Right. And so having that framework about understanding those emotions, like, Luca, you have nothing to be embarrassed about. Luca, you're. You know. And then with Vivi. Vivi, of course I'm not angry with you. Mistakes happen. It's so fixable. Baby, I love you so much. And to be able to tell her that, and I literally say, vivi, Mommy's almost like, mommy is almost never angry with you. And if I get upset, we're going to talk about it. And it's going to be okay.

And it's just been so helpful because I've allowed her one to channel her anger in positive ways so that she's not destructive. So we'll just say, hey, your body's having a hard time being in control. Why don't you go in the front room and you can yell and whatever you want to do. So it's not. We don't call it timeout.

Nope.

And it's great because now she knows when she's out of control. And so, like, hey, go spend a few minutes the front room, and if you need a yell or hit a pillow or whatever you need to do. But then what I do is within a few minutes, I go in with her because I want to show her she's not alone. Yeah. If I go in right away, then it often works it out. But I'll come in when she's starting to calm down and. And I just let her. I reinforce that it's okay to have those. Those feelings. It's okay to be angry. And we continue to talk about constructive ways.

And the other thing with eights that you not understand, even with me as your friend, like, if there is a moment in the eights space or heart or brain that we believe that you might think we're weak. Right. So her going and doing that, like, on her own and you not intervening too soon because you don't think she's got it covered. Right. Like, there's this fine line between I think you're strong and powerful and I. I'm here to support you without judging you, without thinking you're weak. Like, it's a fine line in dealing with eights, especially any Grammy women.

And, like, I think that that's why our friendship also is so super strong. And speaking of women and building communities and, you know, not just raising a woman, but, like, because you are doing what you were called to do. Like, what you've built starting back in 2020 has accelerated and grown really, really, really fast. And you've had to hire people to build this agency. And in growing so fast, I remember there's been moments where you're like, ooh, like, I love the harmony I have here, and I made maybe the wrong call on this role for this person. And how have you used it before? We get into the mastermind and the community and the support and the.

CEO glow ups that you have created all over the world in your masterminds when it comes to the infrastructure of your business. Like, this has been super helpful.

Well, I mean, I kid you not when I'm like, I use Enneagram for all things. I was thinking about my last girls trip. I just got back from my girls trip, which I still need to type those friends. But I had another friend group that we literally took our assessments on the plane. I already had.

I remember that. Yeah.

And they were so fascinated because I want to understand for me to be my best, I want to understand what other people are so I can be my best in the relationship with them.

Y.

And so I, I had my team typed for that first retreat, but it wasn't my whole team. And of course what I, what I realize now is the two, I mean I've hired I think nine or ten people to work for the pitch club in the last three years, which is. Is crazy. It's amazing. There's been two people that, that did not work out and they were both hired before I had the tool of the Enneagram.

Right.

And had I had that tool, I would have realized with one of them like that person is in a healthy place and that's, that's going to cause some problems because you know when people show up in there in their unhealthy area or their stress area and then the second person was wonderful. Just that person needed to have been managed in a very different way and possibly in a different role. And so right now I have everyone that is so for the most part so self reliant and they're, they're just go getters. And I don't, I mean I am, I do not micromanage. I do not want to micromanage. I like to create a framework and then let people go and do be magical within that. Um, so when I did this with my team, it has been so helpful to one, not only put people in the right places, but to understand how to manage them. Again, back to the platinum rule, right, of how to not say manage, I mean support, I mean cultivate, I mean grow.

And again, the beautiful thing is because my whole team understands it. They know how to work within each other. They know how to recognize things. They have more compassion. But also they all know what our clients types are.

Yes.

So it's not just me as the coach. It's like every person in the business that is supporting our clients and their transformations understands those clients. So it just. I can't speak enough on how transformative it has been and.

It'S why, I mean I, you know, I've introduced you to everyone I know because anyone is working with human beings should be utilizing the Enneagram should be understanding it, should be using it personally and professionally. And, you know, I mean, I think that's where so many of your clients, right. They start personally, right? And they see how transformative it is with themselves and they're those close personal relationships, and they're like, well, listen, if I'm going to spend more than 50% of my waking hours at my work, let's see. Also get better results in a way that feels better for everyone involved.

So you are one of only two masterminds that I actually recommend to people. I get asked all the time, like, you know, masterminds are amazing. They really, really are. But a lot of masterminds, it's just putting a group together. There's not a lot of individual kind of attention that you get specifically on your business. Right. Like if you look up. But a lot of mastermind marketing materials make you believe that that's what you're getting. And I've seen it over and so have you, like, over and over and over. People get into masterminds and they think they're going to be coached by the person that put it together. And it's actually quite opposite of that in a lot of masterminds, but in your mastermind, because of your work with the Enneagram, and obviously you bring me into all of them. So I get to see not just the beginning stages of this group that you put together, but I get to see how far they come. Right. And year after year after year, I think it's the third year I've been or third or fourth group that I've been a part of to see not only how involved you are with their business and the ROI that they get on it and your investment in their growth. By bringing me in like that, that's not something that a lot of people have done because it's like, it's a lot. And it can be a distraction if you don't know what the hell to do with it. Right. But let's talk about your mastermind and why it is as good as I say it is. Thank you.

I wish. I wish I could join it.

Well, so we. I started out, like I said, I started out from the beginning, in 2020, before we were in person. I was like, how do I ensure that everyone walks away with these deliverable results that is far. I mean, outside of the strategy, outside of the relationship, that far outweighs the cost or the investment. And, you know, I looked at the things like, you know, for me, supporting female founders, you know, whether they're online or offline. And I have both. I have, I have brick and mortar.

Business, I have a lot of diverse.

Businesses, a lot of which I love because I love it too. Again, the seven in me is like I want to try all the things. I would get bored if it was just only online coaches. Like yes, yeah. But nobody has is, you know, and now the other thing is no one's really competing, right? So when I looked at how do I create those results, I looked at like, well one, what, what did I want? And also what did other people want that I saw? And what people wanted is like they wanted the brand grow up or brand glow up. So you know, everyone becomes a best selling author. Everyone has rebranding because typically someone's launching something new. Everyone has brand photo shoots, brand video shoots, right? Like everyone speaks and they get, they begin to create their speaking reel. And, and then the pr, which is such a differentiator is not only like, yes, you've got a pretty logo and you've got pretty photos that are up leveled from where you came in, but you have the authority in the marketplace, you have the credibility and it's for your actual expertise. It's not just for like what a PR company like thinks is going to hit out there, but it really helps that person feel more permission. So that already without anything else is incredibly, incredibly valuable because it gives that person that seven figure brand or multiple seven figure brand look. But the other side, that I think is really important. And actually one more thing I want to say, anybody entering a mastermind, when you're making an investment in yourself, you should get out more than you have in the past because you're investing at a higher level. And so there is an energetic component. The challenge that I think I see is sometimes people make the energetic investment to step into this higher version of themselves, whether that's income or you know, visibility. But the container doesn't hold that step up. It's not, it's just a price. Right?

Right.

So I have brought in like the getting to know yourself because what I have learned from, I'm in Silicon Valley, I, I, my husband included, right. I know founders and I know that it's not just because they're smart, it's not just because they're good. It's typically because they've done unbelievable work. They're committed, right. It's not, they're not just lucky, they're not just using a winning strategy. It's so much more. And I also lost my ass in the real estate market and I Know that I. You don't bring a lot of things with you. You bring your experience and your knowledge of yourself. So I looked at how can I, how can I really help them? And, and that's where you came in is getting to know themselves and how they work in the world and understanding how to lean in on their strengths. And then the other side I do is how do you become more of yourself? Because you become better at what you do. Not only, yes, repetition and consistency and all that, but. But it's also by really leaning into what makes you unique. It's that cross section of like your experience, your passion and your literally your uniqueness.

I think one of my favorite experiences in one of the Masterminds was an enneagram9 in your group that she like, her business is hiding behind the camera and doing the work behind the camera. And she almost even joked about it like, you know, like. And yes, Nines don't like to be the center of attention. But when we. That transformative experience through the in person retreat in the Mastermind and to see what she's done in the last year since then, I mean she's collected awards, she's a brilliant speaker on stages now accepting awards. Just even the way that she creates some of this stuff for like, she is the authority.

And by the way, that was Tracy. That was only eight months ago, was it? Yep.

Oh my gosh, eight months.

She's rebranded her business, launched it, grown it, scaled it, like I said, got awards, has been on stages, like that's in eight months, become an author, like.

And has spoken very much about her understanding of her Enneagram type and why, yes, she can do it in a more quiet, low key way, but it doesn't mean she's not going to step into it. And it's so beautiful to see that, like, yeah, like that's who she is. And how am I going to leverage that to authentically, you know, stand out in this marketplace? Especially like, it's, it's so amazing. And so you guys, I want if you are entertaining a mastermind, like I said, I get asked all the time, like, hey, have you heard of this Mastermind? Have you? And most of the time, like, don't do it, don't do it. And I'll send them to Rebecca. And it's not because she's one of my best friends, honestly, because I have a lot of good friends that honestly, I wouldn't promote their shit. But like her stuff, Sorry, sorry everyone. But like, it's just true. But Rebecca, like, if you need a safe, loving.

Place to not just grow yourself, but grow your business with absolute deliverables and an ROI that far exceeds the investment in it. With a leader that gives a about who you are and where you're headed. Seriously, there's no other mastermind you need.

Thank you.

Seriously. So where can they find information?

Well, and, and so it's Rebecca Caffiero. R E B E C C A C A F I E R O Or you can follow me on Instagram and drop into my DMs. But Tracy, again, I want it. I don't want to minimize like your role in that because while I knew I could get the deliverables and while I knew I'm great on strategy and that's why I do the one to one when you help me understand the experience and the community. The other thing, you know, I guess building an accountability partner is us really curating who's in that and creating experiences through our retreats and you know, and we have a retreat at the beginning of the year and we have an experience together at the end of the year to really facilitate that growth, both business and personal. And one of the coolest things that I love is like I'm seeing the women in the Mastermind from two years ago who are doing collaborations, who are speaking at each other's events. That's the most beautiful part is it's not just that I like, yes, I know I give incredible strategy and they're getting that and they're getting strategy that's unique to them because I see them as unique beings there. I mean, again, much of that because of the Enneagram. And I, I can understand like if an enneagram 5 is like, well, I was told I need to be, you know, doing four reels a day. I'm like, let's just talk about the fact that will never be your. Your thing. Right.

The. The last piece that makes it so magical is the experience and is the community. And I've just been able to put all of these into it in a way that fully supports where they're going, but also recognizing the fears that they're going to show up with. With where they're at right now.

Absolutely. It is true. Like, just to now be part of this for a few years now, to see the collaborative and the experience and they, they now have not just collaborative partners, but lifelong sisters that actually get them, you know, because I think that that other part, we were just talking about it before we hit record, like, it's a weird kind of place. To be in as mothers and also entrepreneurs. That kind of our. Our environment starts to shift as we evolve and we have to make like it can feel very lonely. It's like, okay, like how do we find people that get it? And what I've seen you create through these groups over the years, like these people are sisters now with each other and true testament to you, my love.

Well, it's the most beautiful thing because I feel like there's so many incredible women that come into my life and I wish that I had the bandwidth to like be deep in deep, deep relationship with every one of them. And as a seven, there's times that I've tried to do that and it's worked me out and I haven't been available to my family and myself. Right.

Yeah.

So what it's allowed me to do is see and facilitate deep connection and collaboration. And I always say like, I, I love being like everyone's go to for resources and often resources are the relationship. It's like you know, connecting people and you can call it referrals, but it's really like this is who I can see is going to bring magic into your life or you're going to do something incredible together. And that's. I get lit up because about that. I get lit up seeing that, you know, two or three years later people have only grown. And yes, the 12 months have been in the mastermind was pivotal, impactful, but it's more of like what's happened since then. And that's, that's the same thing as our relationship that I love is right. I just want everyone to feel seen.

I just really want everyone to feel seen. That's what it comes down to. And the tool of the Enneagram has allowed me to see myself better and to see everyone else better and, and have more compassion in that.

Absolutely. It's. It's a beautiful thing. It really is a beautiful thing. And obviously like I love the Enneagram. It's my work. But even if I never did it for work, I would be screaming this from the rooftops because of the common language it gives all of us, especially when used in integrity and for the greatest good. And you guys, I know like we're almost at 2024. We're less than a month away. And if you are looking for a place to call home for 2024 with a. A leader like Rebecca, with support and she curates the best community and has the most insane, beautiful network that can help you grow as well and go reach out to her, all of the stuff's in the show. Notes on where you can find her. She gets my a +100 stamp of approval and I trust her with my life, my business, my family, my heart and my vulnerability. Rebecca, I love you so much. I love you so much you guys. If you love this episode or you know somebody's looking for right mentorship, share this with someone you love. As always, I am wishing you so much love and transformation in your life and we'll talk to you soon.

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