9 Ways to Push the Reset Button On Your Body.

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It's Ben Greenfield here with once again the world famous neurosurgeon, Dr. Jack Cruz. He's been a guest on this podcast before. He almost needs no introduction. For those of you who have tuned into previous podcasts that we've done with them, like how to live like a polar bear and eat like a great white shark, how to biohack the ultimate healthy home, how you can use cold thermogenesis to perform like Lance Armstrong and Michael Phelps. And he is just a wealth of information in all things related to unlocking the potential of the human machine. Healing your body, optimizing your body. And in today's episode, we're going to be talking about nine different ways to push the reset button on your body and do what Dr. Cruz calls the optimal reset. So if you're just getting started with living healthy or if you're one of those people who's already kind of, kind of living really healthy but wants to just hack your lifestyle to the max and get every last drop out of living life to its healthiest and optimizing your performance potential, your health potential, your longevity, everything, this episode is gonna rock for you. So, Dr. Cruz, thanks for coming on the call.

Hey, anytime, Ben.

So, you know, with, with a guy like you, I'm all about just like delving right into brass tacks. So let's, let's start here. There are a lot of people out there eating paleo, a lot of people kind of, kind of doing the paleo thing. But you yourself have a totally different word for paleo. You have what's called epipaleo, and that term doesn't get thrown around quite as much. So can you explain what you mean when you say epi Paleo?

Sure. If you know anything about the beginnings of words, EPI means above or outside. And that's exactly what my prescription is for most people who are trying to optimize themselves Paleo, not to be inflammatory, I think it's a great thing. They've got a great community. I think it's a step in the right direction for a lot of reasons. But it's not the ultimate stuff because it's missing some you know, key ingredients, key parts, key parts even to the evolutionary story. So what I try to do is explain to people what the difference is between those. You know, some people have their own ideas, what they are, but really the number one easiest way to describe the difference between my version of the paleo diet and everybody else's is that I basically use a three legged stool of the photoelectric effect, magnetism and water chemistry to dictate what I think we should be eating. And of course that brings in circadian biology and things like that. And I'm trying to get people to understand how these things, you know, play a huge role, you know, on how we do things different parts of the season.

So if you were to like outline some of the foods that you would eat that you would include that are kind of underplayed with like a traditional, say, paleo diet, what are some of those foods?

Well, the number, I'd say the number one biggest difference is the quality of the protein source for paleo. They put grass fed meat and organ meat pretty high up on the list. For me, it's oysters. Nothing comes close to an oyster. In fact, the nutritional density in a dozen oysters exceeds what one would get in a pound and a half of grass fed liver. People do not, they are not aware of the power of the oyster. The raw oyster is better than the cooked one. But is the cooked one still better than probably what a normal paleo template tells you? Yeah, because it's got all the specific brain, specific nutrients and nutrients in it designed to lower inflammation. But the real issue is it's to improve your redox potential. In other words, the charge in the battery that allows Ben Greenfield to do the things that he does. That's the key when you happen to be from my community. Me as a physician, I'm dealing with a lot of people, Ben, unlike you, who are broken down, have autoimmune disease, who have different medical problems, this becomes even a bigger deal. A guy like you who is looking to optimize performance and do things that very few humans seek to do, you need to have as good a charged battery as you possibly can.

I gotta be honest with you, I actually don't eat that many oysters because I'm a little bit iffy on them. I've seen some, some articles about potential toxins in shellfish. I'm not quite sure about that. So can, can you help me and listeners allay fears about shellfish?

Well, first you have to tell me what toxins you're talking about. If you're talking about heavy metals like mercury and arsenic. That should be pretty simple. Any evolutionary package of an oyster is selenium. Selenium is the antidote to those things. The other thing that we just got finished talking about, the detox pathways. In the liver, there's three different pathways, all based on the P450 system. The higher your redox potential is in your body, the faster you clear heavy metals. You are designed by lady evolution to clear those metals. So if you're not clearing those metals because your redox potential is low. So if you think eating bananas or figs all day is going to improve your redox potential, you're sadly mistaken. And the redox potential doesn't lie just in your mitochondria, doesn't lie in the water chemistry of your cell or in the biochemical pathways. It actually lies the atomic structure of how your cell is organized. It also lines every single membrane in your body. So here's the take home. Utilizing that three legged stool that I mentioned earlier, once your redox potential is really good, you can tolerate most things that this planet can throw at you. Now the things that you may not be able to tolerate are going to be the man made things that are all around here. For example, even if you have a good redox potential, if you're talking about bpa, which is an endocrine disruptor, that's a man made chemical in plastics, then I'm going to agree with you. But the intent of your question, I don't think that's what you were getting at. For you, for those of you live on the west coast, you may be talking about the radiation issue.

Yeah, radiation. And you know, we hear about a lot about like wild caught fish versus farm raised fish. I mean, do the same concerns exist with shellfish?

Yeah, well they do, but most shellfish in the United States aren't farm raised. In fact, oysters. Now I will tell you that does vary between locales. But where I am down on the Gulf of Mexico, everything is, you know, nothing is farmed down here. Everything comes right out of the Gulf. In fact, right now I could go down to the Gulf of Mexico to a shrimp boat and buy shrimp that was alive, you know, a couple hours ago. Same thing is true with oysters. So for me down here, not really a big issue. Now if you happen to live someplace where you don't have access to that, yeah, it may be day old, two day old that gets you. But is that still a better choice than maybe some of your local food sources? More than likely yes, Yeah, I hear you. The other thing is on the west coast where you're at, people are kind of freaked out a little bit about the radiation risk. And I have to tell you, the radiation risk is, as far as I'm concerned, way overblown. Based on the studies and the testing that's come out from noaa. The people that really have to worry, the people around Japan, those are the people that are carrying the major risk. Plus they happen to eat boatloads of fish and they also happen to eat the predator fishes, which is probably the worst type of fish you can eat. So I would tell you if you stay away from the predator fish, and in my, the pyramid, the big predator fish like tuna and swordfish are much lower down. Shellfish and crustaceans are really high up on the list for that reason.

Interesting. And I can tell folks right now that, and I don't know if you'd agree with me, Dr. Cruz, but shellfish usually equal very good sex the night that you eat them as well.

Yeah, that's because of the zinc that's in them. Because people don't realize that zinc is a co factor in testosterone synthesis. Also, the conversion of dht. Yeah, DHT improves men and women.

I hear you talk a lot about seaweed too, and I know that you get way into all these foods in your optimal reset program. I'll tell people about that later on. But why seaweed?

Well, here, here again, let's go on what we just talked about. What's the antidote for radiation sickness anywhere on this planet? Potassium iodide. Yeah, so right there, that should give you a big clue. The number one nutrient that's missing from the world's diet, and that includes the Paleo diet, is iodine. When you begin to understand that, especially in the human diet, that iodine really started to replace vitamin C as one of the major staples in the mammalian tree. That's the key. What does it predominantly do? It actually helps neurotransmitter synthesis, but it also stabilizes the most sensitive membranes in our body, which are the membranes between brain cells which are loaded with polyunsaturated fats from fish oil. If any of your listeners know anything about chemistry. Saturated fats are the most stable fats. Unsaturated fats are the most unstable ones. What iodine does is stabilize those double bonds that are present to allow the electrons that are present in poly saturated fats to freely move across neural membranes. And that's part of the reason why humans have incredible abilities that even our nearest ancestors the chimps don't have because our brains are loaded with these chemicals that are found in the marine chain. And iodine happens to be one of the gluing factors, you know, that actually allow us to use polyunsaturated fats in our membranes safely.

Yeah, andand II freaking love seaweed. I actually eati have thisthis kind of expensive habit now, but I eat all my salads wrapped up in nori. So, like, that's my go to lunch now is like wild sardines dumped over vegetables wrapped in nori. And one of the reasons I went out of my way to start eating seaweed was listening to what you say. And I'll have to delve into the oysters more than I currently do. Now, like I mentioned, you have this optimal reset program. I'll make sure I put a link to that in the show. Notes for folks, before we delve into our next eight things I want to ask you about, or if you're listening right now, just jot this down. You can go over to BenGreenfieldFitness.comOptimal and check out a lot more details behind some of the stuff that Jack's talking about and a complete reset program he has over there. But one of the things I want to ask you about as well, Dr. Cruz, is during our biohacking a Healthy Home, you talked about how you have like wine bottles all over your house and you actually create torches out of wine bottles to light your home. Now, I'm curious about your kitchen. I'm sure that when it comes to living what you call this optimal lifestyle and doing the optimal reset, that it doesn't stop with the epipalio diet and that there's gotta be something to your kitchen. So do you have specific tips that you could give folks? Maybe just like two tips on getting started with creating an optimal kitchen?

Yeah. Well, for me, the number one thing is deciding how you want to cook your food. So if you decide to go based on your taste versus your health, you're going to make some decisions. A lot of people will decide whether it's going to be, you know, ease of use versus what you have. For me, I use ceramic pots and pans because I don't want to take any issues with, you know, heavy metals. I also don't cook my food. Like, I don't oxidize it very heavily. Most of my food tends to be on the rarer side if it is cooked. I also been have an indoor and an outdoor kitchen. And I will tell you that I tend to use the outdoor kitchen, the colder it is. And we've been lucky this winter in the southeast it's been freaking unbelievably cold. Just, you know, yesterday it was like less than 20 degrees here. So I actually cooked outside. But inside I have a pretty elaborate array of lighting. The lighting in my kitchen very rarely stays extremely bright, except if it's during the daytime. The other thing is too, in my pantry, I have a boatload of spices. I'm a big believer spicing my food. And I'm not just talking about chili spice, I'm talking about lavender, turmeric, coriander, marjoram. And I tend to buy organic spices. And I'm really into using broths. Like I'll use a ceramic pot. In fact, you brought this up and I almost mentioned it earlier, how I do my seaweeds. I almost always use grass fed bones, make my broth with seafood, the outside of shrimps. And I'll even take the oysters shells, put everything in together, put my seaweed in there and cook it down.

That's a great idea.

I'll use that as the base of my sauces. But I put a lot, and I mean a lot of my spices in there. And I usually cook that up on a Sunday. So I have the whole batch for the whole week. And on average I probably drink about a cup of that a day or I'll use that to make sauces for the foods that I'm going to make during the week. The other big thing, obviously I think you got to have in the kitchen is you got to have a kick ass refrigeration system. For me, the big thing is the freezer. The reason why is I buy stuff in bulk. Like I'll buy grass fed meat, the whole cow. Sometimes I'll go down to the Gulf and I'll pick up 200 pounds of oysters. I also have the ability to freeze my oysters after I shut them. Right now in my freezer I have about 50 pounds of Gulf shrimp that were caught probably two and a half, three weeks ago, you know, and we'll go out and just start barbecuing them on the outdoor kitchen. So it's about being prepared and having the things that you see fit for your own template. For me, I predominantly eat seafood, grass fed meat, organ meats. I also tend to eat those more rare than cooked. I use lots of different fat. I'll use animal fat. I do render my own lawn, although I will tell you I don't do that in the wintertime. I Tend to do it more actually in the time of the year we're coming up on now just because we have more access to getting the grass fed cow fat. Because my next door neighbor owns 2,500 acres of cows and I'm actually looking at them right now, and he starts to slaughter them right around this time of year. So we get a boatload of bones, nice and fat, and we start rendering them and doing things like that. So the key thing with the kitchen is just picture your cookware. Try to be smart, Try not to use Teflon, try not to use fake stuff. Try to use bamboo cookware so you don't scrape anything off. If you can have it outside, even if you don't have a big kitchen, just get yourself a grill, propane grill. And in the kitchen you don't need a lot of fancy stuff. You know, make sure you have a nice selection of spices and a good place to store your food. And I definitely believe in trying to bulk up when you get stuff, you know, don't try to. Most people try to shop every day. I mean, that works. If you live in New York, you live in a small apartment, then I understand the conundrum. But most people don't have to live like that. And it's always nice to have it on, on tap in your house. So when your buddies come over, your friends come over, you don't have to call Domino's to have a pizza.

Right? Right. Yeah. And by the way, as far as organic herbs, as far as grass fed meat, you know, a lot of this stuff that you're talking about, I know some people live in urban deserts and I just wanted to throw this out there that like you don't have to live next to, next to like a freaking, you know, cattle farm or, or cow pasture like Dr. Cruz does. Like, you can order organic grass fed meat from sites like US Wellness Meats. You can get organic herbs like Jessa. And I order herbs from a, from a site called Mountain Rose Herbs. Like you can, you can this without necessarily spending all your time living off the land, so to speak. So really good stuff. Dr. Cruz, I want to ask you next about leptin. You talk a lot about leptin and leptin resistance. Can you give folks the kind of like the 30,000 foot overview of leptin and exactly what folks can do if they're leptin resistant as far as just like some practical steps they can take?

Yeah, this one should be simple. First thing I need you to do when we talk leptin I want you to forget about food being categorized as protein, fat and carbohydrates. I want you to realize that you need to begin to think about your food as electrons and protons and neutrons, but specifically electrons and protons. The leptin receptor is designed to be an electron counter in your body. So it's the electron accountant. The key factor that you need to do if you're leptin resistant. Leptin is a hormone released by fat cells generally at night. Gets into our hypothalamus right around midnight. But for it to work, there has to be low levels of inflammation at the hypothalamic recess in the brain. There's a little place where there's no blood brain barrier, where it actually gets through. And that's not important. But you need to have four hours of complete darkness. And you should also try to have four hours between your meal and that midnight hour.

Four hours of complete darkness before you go to bed at night.

Yeah, that's, that's, that's ideal.

What about, what about in the summer when it gets, when it gets dark at like, you know, 9:00pm or whatever?

Well, and you already know the answer. I told you, I'm the big circadian guy. In the summertime, you're designed to work a little bit differently. Also, your dietary template works a little bit differently because in the summer we allow for a lot more carbohydrates than we do now. Because what determines carbohydrate load for normal people. I'm not talking about you now. Is actually the length of the life cycle. If you happen to be an athlete, you can stretch that a little bit because you have a higher redox potential than say, somebody who's got rip form, fibromyalgia and an autoimmune disease. But to get back to the point. Ideal for leptin, four hours after your last meal and generally as dark as possible. It doesn't have to be pitch dark. Lighting candles, the vino glows that I told you about last time I was on. All that stuff is cool. The key thing is you just need to block out the blue light. What you're doing, when you're doing that, you're preserving your redox potential. Why is this important when it comes to leptice? I told you, leptin basically is the electron counter. Remember, electrons are negatively charged. And people just don't realize your redox potential is controlled by the electromagnetic environment you're in and that that force controls only charged particles. That's the linkage. So that's where negatively and positively charged particles come in. So if you control your environment so that it's not stealing electrons from your body to the environment, in fact your brain is able to get them and your inflammation levels are low. That means that your brain will actively be sensing the appropriate signaling from your environment that's around you. And that's precisely what you want. That's really what separates epipaleo from paleo. Most people don't understand how circadian signals tied back to that three legged stool, which is the photoelectric effect, magnetism and water chemistry. And really the king of that. I wouldn't say the king, but the second most important issue is the weapon receptor. As long as it can work and sense those electrons. Dude, you're cooking with gas.

Nice. You hear so many people talk about like limiting sugar and starches, but I think, I think that like, just like what you said, like the, the darkness before bedtime, the avoidance of blue light in the house, that stuff trumps diet even now in terms of whether or not you're actually sensitive to leptin. I noticed that in the optimal reset, you talk a little bit about the reverse T3 test to diagnose. How does that work?

Yeah, well that's a test that I would tell you that in your community. A lot of the heavy duty triathletes I think should actually get this test because when you have over exercised that is equivalent to say someone with fibromyalgia. The difference is you guys are able to recover your redox potential much quicker than somebody's chronically ran their batteries down. So what happens with thyroid hormone? Just for a quick primer, T4 is the hormone that's released in the thyroid gland, but it's got to be converted to T3 to be active. And that conversion is blocked by inflammation in the body. That inflammation means it could be from autoimmune disease, it could be from over exercise, it could be from anything. But what happens with that T3? Some of the T3 is converted directly to reverse T3. And reverse T3 is a really interesting chemical because what does it do when reverse T3 builds up in someone's body? It is a competitive inhibitor for crh, which is the cortisol releasing hormone in the brain. And that is where a lot of people who exercise to excess get adrenal fatigue and they don't realize it. One of the best ways to test for that is when you do your thyroid panel, you get your reverse T3. Check it out and make sure you get your T3 with it, get a highly sensitive CRP. And if you're a real tool, like I am, get your ACTH, like asi, a four time saliva test with the salivary melatonin. And almost invariably you will find that you're probably toasting your brain. And if you are, and you're an athlete, then you need to realize you need to dial down your exercise to improve the relationship between T3 and reverse T3, because people who exercise easily are able to recover this as long as they understand it. The problem is, especially endurance exercises, they just keep going, pedal to the metal. And if you keep doing that, you're actually doing the same thing that someone who has fibromyalgia does. And you can chronically wear your batteries down to where you destroy your Redox potential. And you know, Ben, I get into this a little bit, just wrote a new blog post that I would tell you to link to the show notes called the Redox Potential.

Yeah, I read it this morning. I'll put a link right now. And by the way, for those of you listening in, I am, I am madly writing notes and putting them all in the show notes for you guys. So. And the show notes are going to be@BenGreenfieldFitness.com okay, so the Redox is the article you were just talking about.

Yeah. Well, what I just want to say with that is, you know, we've talked about it a lot in the several points that you brought up. I just want your readers and your listeners to know that if you don't know what makes up your Redox potential, go to my Redox prescription, read it. I give you 25 points that will allow you to take your own labs and figure out kind of where you are. The goal is you want your Redox potential really high. You do not want your Redox potential low. The lower it is, the sicker you'll be. Or in your listener's case, the lower it is, the less performance they're going to get. That ties into the last podcast you and I did where you're going to have all these athletes thinking they need carbs because they have to refuel because their batteries are lowly charged carbohydrates allows you to do it faster, but you're paying a very specific toll in that. And in our last podcast, I didn't really tell you guys what that toll was, but in the Redox potential, I actually get into that. I explained to you something about the Sirtuin 6 linked to telomeres and how it happens and it goes to something called NAD positive, which is about cytochrome one and cytochrome two. And I don't want to get too deep into it because I think it's the kind of stuff.

Well, it's all written in that book.

Read and listen to.

Yeah, it's all written over there. So I'm just now putting a link to that post in the show notes over at Ben Greenfield Fitness for those of you guys who want to go over there and listen to it. Okay, so more questions for you, Dr. Cruz. We've talked about food and kitchen. We've talked about the difference between paleo and epipaleo. We've talked about resetting your leptin. And I want to ask you now about something that we've talked about before and that's cold thermogenesis or what you call ct. Can you give us some kind of like your up to date practical tips as far as including lowering your body temperature into your, into your daily protocol?

Yeah, well, in the optimal reset, I do an hour talk on CT and I go over three hours of questions from people. So you will get a humongous, you know, education on it. But CT is directly tied to the three legged stool. And when I first released the ct.

One more time, because I know a lot of folks are going to need this again, Three legged stool, One more time. What are the three legs?

Yeah, the three legged stool is the photoelectric effect, water chemistry and the electromagnetic force. And if you want to learn about those three things, I wrote about them in a blog post called energy and epigenetics 4. I break each one down. The cold thermogenesis takes full advantage of basically water chemistry and the electromagnetic force. What does it do in reference to the three legged stool? It increases the amount of oxygen that can be dissolved in water and can be delivered to you. Remember, your cell is filled up with about 70, 71% water. So cold actually will deliver more O2 to your mitochondria to allow you to do more things performance wise and also help out the toxic load that your mitochondria has built up. The other big thing that it does that I think we did talk about on our last podcast is an increased semiconduction current. And I think the example that we used the last time we talked, Ben, is we talked about a cell phone. When you put it on the hood of your car and it gets a temperature warning, it doesn't work. And then when you put the iPhone inside a freezer, it works phenomenally well. Well, you have the same ability in you, because what it does, cold increases something called the hall current. And the hall current is something that's, that's common to all semiconductor currents. Well, the regenerative current in mammals is something called the DC current and it's located below the myelin layer of nerves and outside the axons. And if you're an athlete, if you're somebody who's in a performance, if you're somebody who's sick, you need to become very facile with the DC current because the DC current is maximal when we sleep. And this should also tie in cold. Once again, when is melatonin released? When the hypothalamus drops your body temperature several degrees. That's the reason why CT and the DC current are linked together, because melatonin is converted from serotonin in your pineal gland during sleep. There's a lot of linkages here. The pineal gland, if you read the Energy and Epigenetics 4 blog post, tells you how the three legged stool takes those three legs and converts that environmental information into something the body uses. And what that something is, is ct. And CT increases the DC regenerative current in all mammals. And Robert O. Becker, who is an MD, PhD researcher, is the guy that found this out. He's the guy that, if you don't know anything about this, read his book, the Electric Body. It's an absolutely unbelievable book. It was written probably 30 years ago, but it's based on his work that he did in the late 1960s when he definitively proved what Albert St. Georgie postulated in the 1940s. And for those of you who don't know, Albert St. Georgie won the Nobel Prize for discovering vitamin C in the 40s, St. George said at a meeting in 1942 at Budapest. He told the world that he believed that all life was based on semiconduction. But he admitted he had absolutely no clue how it actually worked. But many of the things that he found in vitamin C chemistry led him to this conclusion. Well, in 1942, Becker happened to be a medical student who listened to this talk. And in 20 years, Becker proved definitively that semiconduction happens in amphibians. It starts in salamanders and goes all the way up to everybody listening to this now. And you can read about his research in that book. He was twice nominated for the Nobel Prize. And unfortunately, the reason why his career kind of ended the way it did was because he got into the political arena when it comes to microwaves and emf, because he realized what he had Found was big news for our economy as it was changing from a service based economy to a technology economy.

Yeah.

And he was on 60 Minutes in the 1970s and basically told the world that what's coming in the United States could be one of the worst things ever. And if you go back and read his original 60 Minutes interview and you look at what's happened in the last 40 years in terms of, you know, NHANES data, obesity, sickness data, you'll actually see they mesh perfectly well. And that's part of the reason why I'm trying to teach people a lot about emf, because it ties to this entire story.

Yeah, you're like, you're like a science historian when I get you on here. It's crazy. I don't know. I don't know how you remember all this stuff, but. Okay, so let's go with two practical tips for people who want to just like jump into cold thermogenesis right now. What are two things they could do?

Well, I would like to start off with something I think people miss. CT is always beneficial. And the reason for that is everybody listening to this. Semiconducts number two, even if you're at temperature, the water you're in is one degree below your body temperature. You are technically performing ct. Remember that.

So, so the fact that my. So, so my house right now is at, is at 60 degrees. I try to keep it between 60 and 65. So technically I'm doing CT while I'm standing here right now.

Correct, you are. But you have to remember there's a difference in the thermal load. You know, we have, we actually have four forms of matter. But I'm only going to talk to you about pre. But water and metal are the two best for actually cold thermogenesis. Metal is by far the best, but that comes with significant risks. So I don't really talk about that publicly. I've talked about it in my own private webinars that I do for my members. But the safest thing for people to do is to use the thermal load of water because it's 24 to 25 times more effective than air is in pulling the cold out of you. And people have to realize you don't have to be freezing cold when it's cold. Down in Dennis, we're talking 50 to 55 degrees. The water has to be for most people in the Northern hemisphere in the wintertime, you can easily do that. It's not tough.

In the winter. Like shower water. Yep.

You know, and there is another benefit that I Haven't, you know, talked to you yet about, but you guys will read about it in the Redox prescription. If you're an endurance athlete. There is a little trick to CT that I might as well drop here because I think your listeners will love it. In the optimal reset, I talk to people about the trick that I use for people who are obese, but this trick also works for athletes. It's called the Fournier effect. Basically, what you do is you heat up a part of your body that you use most. So let's take you for example, Ben. I would probably have you sit in a warm tub of water up to about your waist. Then on your top part, I'd have you tape ice with ACE wraps all over your body. What you're trying to do is improve the exclusion zone of water tremendously. And this gets into water chemistry, which we haven't talked about. When water absorbs radiant energy, meaning infrared, far better than anything else. The reason for that has to do with molecular chemistry, but just trust me, warm will increase the exclusion zone. The exclusion zone of water, the bigger it is, the higher your redox potential is. CT does the exact same thing, except it's designed to do it a little bit differently, but it also increases the redox potential of water. So if you happen to be an athlete that's burning the candle at both ends, this is a really good way for you to really tweak your CT and get maximum benefit because you may find that you're able to lift more, you're able to beat your competitors, you're able to do things that they can't do. So I tell everybody it's a biohack, you know, that they should consider, and we talk about that in the optimal reset in the CT section. Like I said, that's a four hour discussion that we have there. So I think you'll get into it even deeper info.

Like I said, if people want to really dig into the nitty gritty of this stuff, go to BenGreenfieldFitness.comOptimal and you can definitely take the deep dive. So speaking of taking the deep dive, EMF exposure, we talked in our last podcast we did how to Biohack the Ultimate Healthy Home, about EMF exposure in the home and in the office. But in particular, one thing I wanted to ask you was about the nervous system. Because I track my heart rate variability, the strength of my nervous system, sometimes not in the morning, but just when I'm working on the computer in my office and I notice that it tends to drop and the Frequencies associated with my parasympathetic nervous system specifically tend to drop. So what is it that electromagnetic frequencies from my computer and my WI fi router, my cell phone, are doing to my nervous system?

Well, that one's an easy one, Ben. And that again, is covered very clearly in the redox prescription. You're basically, anytime the electromagnetic force of your environment is above the native electromagnetic force. For those of you who don't know what the native force is, it's called the Schumann resonance. It resonates at 7.83 Hz, and it does have what we call harmonic couples that go all the way up to about 89 hertz. So just so people have a reference point, your cell phone probably is working at anywhere between 2.9 GHz and maybe even all the way up to 5 GHz in the microwave range. So you can see that's a massive increase. That electromagnetic force draws electrons to it from you. So, for example, if you happen to be the dude that keeps his cell phone in his pocket, the woman that keeps it inside a bra, I'm going to be very tactless here and say you're a freaking moron because you are sucking electrons from your semiconductors into the cell phone. And the people don't realize when your cell phone is on, it is actually, you know, it's bi directional microwave walkie talkie, and it is constantly pulling stuff away. Here's the crazier part that people don't know, but I'm going to share this with you today. The higher the G force in the phone, in other words, when we go from 1G to 5G, the worst the effect is. But here's the thing that shocks most people. Because the antennas in our new devices are so terrible. The cell companies and Apple and everybody else has WI fi, has to have really strong cell towers, and that means they have to send out extremely powerful electromagnetic signals to connect to the antennas on our phone. The new iPhone 5S and the new iPad, latest generation, actually have infrared sensing devices in them. And if the device senses that it's next to your ambient body temperature, it turns off. So what does that mean, Ben? That means that Apple knows exactly what this is doing to our body. Yeah, and the problem is they don't want you to understand the physics. Why? Because, as you know, delving into electromagnetic radiation is not something, you know, that most guys want to do, you know, when they're listening to your podcast or my podcast. But I have to be honest with you, if you ask me as A physician, it's the single most important thing for modern humans to understand the interaction of getting your electron stolen that you're trying everything possible to collect. I mean, here you're doing CT and then you turn around and you put the cell phone up to the side of your head. If you really want to do a really cool biohack to show you that this is not bullshit, we've done this already. You can put a cell phone on, talk 15 minutes, put it right up to the side of your head, take a before with a thermal camera and an after, and you will see a tremendous increase in blood flow after the 15 minute phone call. Basically what you're doing is you are sucking all the charged particles out of the side of your head. Anytime your brain becomes energy deficient, what does that likely set you up for? Sets you up for bad diseases like cancer. That's part of the reason why in the last 40 years, since Becker talked about what he talked about, we're seeing, as you guys know, I'm a neurosurgeon, we have a 500% increase in tumors of the brain, specifically acoustic neuromas in and around the ear where you would hold your phone up. And if you read the safety features on your devices, they will say, you are not supposed to keep this stuff next to your body. They want you to keep it at least 2cm away. Well, instead of. You guys keep buying this stuff, ask questions. Why in the hell would they ask us to do this? And this is, this is why it's really important, because it goes back to the three legged stool. It's all tied to electrons, it's all tied to photons, it's tied to the electromagnetic field, and it's tied to water chemistry. Because the second effect of emf, besides stealing your electrons, what else does it do? It dehydrates you. Why is that a big deal? We said before, as your exclusion zone decreases, your redox potential decreases. And for those of you who want a better example, I gave Ben this last time we're on the podcast, we'll talk about it again. If you don't believe the effect of microwaves on meat, take a steak, put it in the microwave, put it on for five minutes, and then take it out and take a bite of it and you'll know everything. You need to know exactly what happens your tissues when you continuously use devices that are WI fi based.

Yeah, that's not such a good analogy. Now I know that Michael Newert, who's kind of like the EMF ninja, is going to be presenting at the optimal reset. And he and you are the reason that right now I'm looking at my office, my cell phone's in airplane mode. My laptop is plugged into the wall, but it's plugged into a dirty electricity filter. My laptop is grounded and I'm hardwired into my wi fi router rather than running off the wireless signal. And these are the kind of things folks that you pick up from EMF experts like Dr. Cruz and this guy Michael Neurot, who's presenting in the optimal reset. So reducing EMF exposure is huge. I did not know that about what Apple knows about our cell phones that we don't. But it's is good to know. Speaking of EMF, and I know this is kind of related, Dr. Cruz, you know, when I talked to you about creating a healthy home, you related EMF to sleep as well. And we got into like installing kill switches in your home and stuff like that. But you also have some other ways that you create optimal sleep. Can you delve into some practical things that you really recommend to folks to get that rest of the sleep and to kind of get their bodies into that, like, you know that, that kind of cold thermogenesis mode that we're supposed to get in while we're asleep?

Yeah, sure. I mean, I would say the cheapest and easiest thing is change your water. Use reverse osmosis water. You can buy that pretty much anywhere. Now, if you can't find RO water, then go to spring water or go to mineral water.

Doctor, do you just do a big glass of water before you go to sleep or is it just kind of the water that you're drinking all day long that's making an effect on how you sleep later on?

Dr. I drank it all day long, but usually about 45 minutes before I go to bed. I usually drink about 32 ounces of this ice cold water. But I also do something else and I'll explain why I do it. I also happen to use a magnetico sleep mattress. And for those of you who don't know what that is, again, very complex physics. If you listen to the optimal reset, I do get into exactly how the magnetica works. I also even talk about it in the Redox prescription. But here's the ticket. It's a uni poor magnetic field that's designed to line up with the earth's magnetic field. So what does it do? It actually improves your personal magnetic field while you sleep. So in other words, it's kind of a reverse Faraday case. Technology that mitigates some of the EMF that you can't control in your local environment. What does it do? It improves electron flow on the surface semiconductors in your body. And where those semiconductors predominantly happen is the interface between collagen and water. Well, if anybody knows anything about sleep, your brain controls sleep. What's your brain surrounded by water? It's called csf. This is the reason why the magnetico works, and it happens to work on some pretty cool chemistry. But what does it do? It allows the three dimensional structure of the semiconductors in your body to work in two dimensions with some very exotic physics. And basically what that does, that delivers increased electron current flow to improve your sleep. So if you want to, if you can't afford the magnetico because it is kind of steep, it comes in two different price points. One is a 10 Gauss mattress, the other one's a 20 Gauss. And we are going to talk about this in the optimal reset. The easiest thing for you to do is change your water, change how you drink your water. And here's another cool tip again. Go back to the wine thing, Ben. They have a thing called avidium, which is a vortex thing that people use to aerate their wine. You can take your water, put it through the. Take your water, put it through the vortex before you drink it. What I do is I happen to put my water on my magnetica. So I have a big.

Yeah, I remember you mentioned that in the last podcast.

Yeah, I have a big huge glass that I put my water in and during the day I'll usually just sit my water when I'm at work on that. And then when I come home, I'll just take the water out and use it as I see fit. I tend to do that days where I'm more stressed. So for you, I would tell you that's probably something cool for you to do when you're training or say you're getting ready for a big race. I tend to do when I go to the operating room and I know going to be losing a shitload of electrons, you know, to my local environment. But I think anytime you vortex your water, you're increasing the easy of water just by what we talked about before. The exclusion zone increases because the vortex cools the center of the water without you having to add any ice to it. Yep. So that's really how it works.

I actually have a, I have a central home water filter that, that passes the water through a vortex in the filter. So everything, you know, everything I shower in, everything I drink, everything passes through that, through that vortex flow. And when I move in into my, my new house I'm working on which is fed from a water based well, I'm planning on using that same type of technology. After the water comes up through the well, I'll pass it through that vortex again. And that's all kind of based off of the stuff I picked up from you as far as, you know, restoring that natural harmonic frequency to the water.

Exactly. And people think it's hocus pocus about the water. This is what I would tell you guys. Again, we do get into this in deep in the optimal reset. But for those of you who really like to read to see that this three legged stool is really a big deal. Water Chemistry, the best book that will teach you everything you need to know because out of the three legs of the stool, water is easiest to understand in my opinion. Gerald Pollock, and you saw his last name, P O L L A C K. Is a researcher from University of Washington, has written a book that's only been out six months. That to me is the bible of water chemistry. It's called the fourth phase of Water. You must read this book, you will begin to understand many of the things that I've been talking about for eight or nine years because it's based on this chemistry. And you know, CT is based on a lot of this stuff. And the thing is, if I would have started off my Internet career trying to teach you guys about exclusion zones of water physics, I would have lost you at hello. You know, describing CT and six easy steps like I did in the CT protocol was way easier, you know, for the late public to hear. But now that we're down the pike, people like, no, I really want to know how this works.

Yeah, I got that for you.

If you want it, I got it for you.

Now what? There's also this sleep mat I hear about that I've been actually looking at myself called a magnetico. And can you explain the difference? Something like a biomat and a magnetico?

Yeah. Well, the number one difference is that magnetical is the only unipolar magnetic mattress out there. And the reason why you just need to understand that is the magnetic field actually has a polarity to it. Most people know about the north and the south pole, so when you live in the northern hemisphere, you don't want a bipolar magnet because what you create is a magnetic loop on your bed and that screws up your semiconduction where you sleep at night. What you really want when you sleep at night is you want your electrons to have all have the same spin. And again, I didn't think we're going to open up this can of worms, but I guess we might as well talk about it. Electrons are all created the same. And that's something that Richard Feynman, another Nobel Prize winner, has said many, many times. In physics, there's only two things that differ in electrons. The energy that they carry, as long as the information and the spin. And what you need to understand as a human being that you can biohack the energy and the spin. I've already told you how to do the energy. Photons or electrons created in the summertime are much higher energy than they are in the wintertime. That's the reason why the photoelectric effect is so incredibly important when we talk about, you know, when to eat certain foods. Well, let's talk about the other side of the equation, which is the spin of the electron. How the electron spins is also important because it also leads to very special quantum physics that happen on the surface of semiconductors. What's the take home that you need to know about spin? When the spin is controlled and everything is resonating and spinning the same way when we sleep, electron current flow becomes 100% efficient. What does that mean for, you know, the physics geeks that are out there? It means we become completely quantum coherent. In other words, you are extremely energy efficient. And it also means that your redox potential is through the roof. This is where the elite athletes are all trying to get to. And believe it or not, you can use this mattress in concert with your water chemistry to do that while you sleep. Because let's face it, all of us sleep at least a third to a half of our lives. And it's the most important part because as I said earlier in this interview, that's when we generate our DC electric current that regenerates all the tissues.

So basically, if you're using one of these sleep mats that has a negative side and a positive side, you're getting exposed to like positive ion filled spikes while you're asleep, rather than just the negative ion. Basically. Interesting.

What you're basically doing is you're completely destroying the native electromagnetic field. In effect, what you're doing is you're. It's almost like putting probably some kind of electric device on your bed and screwing yourself up. You shouldn't do that. You really want a unipolar device and it's the only unipolar device out there. In fact, I've been trying to get the guy who runs Magnetico to make me a pad that I could use in surgery. Because obviously, for a guy like me, my biggest risk isn't when I sleep. My biggest risk is when I'm operating.

Yeah.

And, you know, I'd like to stand on one of these suckers, you know, when I'm in surgery for 7, 8, 9 hours at a time.

Yeah. Interesting. Okay, cool. I'm gonna put more information again over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com optimal but I got a few other questions for you, Dr. Cruz. You're kind of known as a biohacker as well, and there are a lot of people who want to get started with biohacking. And one of the things that we've discussed before on this show is getting a baseline, like knowing where you're at. And I know that you have your own take on the most important labs that people should order or that they should ask their doctor about. Can you go over what you think are the best, biggest wins for people to test? I mean, we Talked about reverse T3, but what are some other things that people could jot down or that I could write in the show notes that they could just go and test? And I know that you go over the results in a lot more detail in the optimal reset program, but if people just want to at least get the numbers, what do they start with?

Well, I'm gonna give you some context here, because, remember, everybody's context is different. Your listeners and my listeners are on two ends of the spectrum. But put it in the middle. Let's put the paleo guys in the middle. Somebody came to me for the quick, easy, dirty paleo hack. I would tell you that a highly sensitive crp, a vitamin D, and a DHEA level are where I would start. The DHEA can be done with a blood test. You can order all these yourself. You don't need a doctor. You can go to les.org and order them yourself, and then start using, you know, a lot of stuff that's published on my site. I mean, you can figure out where you need to be. That's the easy one.

Now, one. One more time. One more time. What were those tests?

Highly. Highly sensitive crp. Or it also has another acronym called cardiac CRP or highly sensitive. The second one would be a DHEA level, and the third one is a vitamin D level.

Got it.

And make sure that you're not supplementing with any of these things before you do your blood work, because you do need a baseline level. That would be what I call a simple dirty, dirty hack. That one could do. Now, for your listeners, I would tell you you need to do something different because I know all of you are pedal to the metal. So I need to convince you that maybe what you're doing needs to slow you down. And I think, Ben, you did a great blog post a while back on your own labs, and I think you can speak to this. You really, as an athlete need to know what your redox potential is, but you also need to know how quick you can restore it. So for you guys, you need to do a little bit more. I would say for you, full thyroid panel, full sex steroid panel, male or female, depending on what you are. I also think that an asi, which is the adrenal stress index, which is a salivary test, and the big one is the salivary melatonin level. I think that's a good place to start without spending a shitload of money. The number one thing I tell you guys to pay attention to is your BUN and creatinine ratio. What that is is a measure of your dehydration. Because I found most endurance athletes, they know to replenish their fluids, but they don't realize it's not that you're drinking that's important, it's what you are at the cellular level. And what determines what you're at the cellular level is your tissue hydration. And what determines that is actually the electric charge of the basement membrane in your kidneys. And if you cannot get your BUN and creatinine ratio, where I tell you it should be below for right around seven to one, that tells you that your redox potential of your battery isn't so high. That means that maybe you shouldn't be doing triathlons. Maybe you'll be like the dudes that drop dead if you keep doing that. And that's the kind of stuff that you really need to look into. Because Belin and creatinine is one of those tests that is not highly sensitive or highly specific. That is a cheap, easy way for you to see are you intracellular, dehydrated or not. You can use other tests. You can use urinalysis, urine specific gravity. If you've got money to boil, you can use a serum and urine osmolarity. That's stuff that neurosurgeons use all the time. When we're dealing with big fluid shifts in the brain after trauma, there's a lot of different things you can use. Athletes tend to get a lot more test because not only do they want to know where they're at. But they want to know how fast they can recover. Because what they can do then is determine how much they can train and how much they can train. And to me, I think that's probably a bigger deal in that group. When it comes to my group, we're not really worried about that. I'm really worried about really trying to recharge their battery to get them to the point where they can actually exercise. And most people know in my leptin prescription, I tell people who are left and resistant, I don't want you doing any exercise. Well, here's the reason why. The reason I don't want you doing exercise is because when you left the resistance, your battery's dead. We need to recharge the battery before we want you to exercise. And this is the reason why. It's not that Dr. Cruz is down on exercise, far from it. I think exercise is great, and it's one of the things that helps recharge all of our basement membranes and all of our lipid membranes. That's the reason why exercise always shows cognitive improvement when it's studied. But what people don't understand is the context. Exercise is dangerous when the redox potential is low. And that's the key metric. When I get that message across to everybody, then I think they'll be able to understand why the leptin prescription says what it says. Why would I tell Ben Greenfield and his listeners is a little bit different? Because your guys N equals one isn't. You know what my people's N equals one is. But are the principles that they're based on exactly the same? Yes. And that's why I tell people the redox potential is kind of the thing that opens the door to heaven and can open the door to hell. It can do the same thing. The key that determines it is the environment that you're in.

Yeah. And I can tell you right now, like, I know a lot of people think that their bloods are just fine. Like, I do consulting for Wellness fx. So they send me the blood work of a lot of, like the crossfitter Paleo, or the the quote unquote, healthy, holistic triathlete population. You talked about dehydration, blood urea, nitrogen, creatinine levels, a lot of the things that are just way out of whack in these folks folks. And they're eating healthy, but they're also not taking into account some of the stuff that we've talked about up to this point, like creating optimal sleep, reducing emf, you know, using cold, thermogenesis a lot of these little things that fly under the radar. So I've got another question for you, and that is about finding a doctor. So it can be tough sometimes to walk yourself through this process versus say, getting some of these lab tests that you've talked about and having a doctor actually walk you through it. So how can people actually find a doctor who supports this whole concept of biohacking and the optimal reset?

Well, I'm gonna give you two great examples here in the Optimal Reset. I'm bringing one of my really good friends and colleagues on named Avesh Patel and he is actually an anti aging doctor with a big alpha through the United States. And him and I are going to have a very long discussion within the Optimal reset about this issue. But I will tell your listeners the best way to do it right now before they listen to the optimal reset is to probably go to your local compound pharmacy and ask the compound pharmacist if you had whatever your particular problem is, who would you go see? And the reason why the compound pharmacy is likely going to give you a good answer is too old.

A.

They're going to want to support the doctors who support them. But here's the bigger factor. They're going to want to tell you good information because you're going to be their customer eventually and they're going to want to keep you very happy. And generally you have to remember, just like any profession, there's good and bad in every profession. And that includes my profession. Not everybody who's an anti aging doctor is somebody who you want to pay your money to. You want to make sure that you can vet those people. And the best way I think that people can do it without a lot of knowledge is talking to your local compound pharmacy because they know who in the community is really good news, bad. And when they're talking to the lay public, they're not going to direct you to somebody who they just don't think you know is good because they obviously make their money from you filling the prescriptions at their place.

Yeah.

So they want to make sure that you're going to the right person. So I would tell you I think that's the best way. I guess the second best way is maybe consider listening to optimal reset when me and Vesh sit down for a couple hours and talk about this, you know, and answer questions. The other thing too that I have been, you know, not to push my site, but I did a webinar got three almost three years ago for my members about how to pick a Doctor And I went through, you know, this whole issue, almost an hour and a half of how to do it, because there's a lot of ambiguity. And I agree with you 100% that it's really hard for the lay public to make this decision. But I think the cool part of where we are today in our modern world, that the most important thing I can tell you is if you educate yourself enough, you're going to having a little bit more confidence about listening to the doctor in your own head, so that when you go see a doc, you'll be able to tell whether this guy's on the up and up or they're not. And I think your education is actually a big part of actually being able to help you select a doctor, you know, and that's part of what you're doing, and it's part of what I'm doing. It's part of what everybody who's part of the optimal reset's doing. We want to teach people how to help themselves. And when you do that, you start to see that the world starts to work in your favor. And trust me, there's plenty of good docs out there that want to help. But unfortunately, the regulatory environment out there is really, really difficult in certain states. So you have to realize that what you can do in your part of the world and what other people can do is radically different. Just to give you an example, your listeners may not know this, but if you live in the state of New York, you can't order any of your lab tests through lef.org or through any labs testnow.com yet if you go to New Jersey, you can. And that's the kind of craziness that's out there. And then there's a whole bunch of different laws where the Medical Practice act limits what a doctor can and can't say. So we have to be really careful about what we say, you know, on the website. I'm. In fact, I have to be way more careful than what Ben has to do because he doesn't have a professional degree, you know, there. So believe it or not, I can't give you medical advice on the Internet.

Right.

What I can do is hypothetically tell you exactly what one would consider, and I can point you in the direction, you know, help you. That's part of the reason why my website, I know on a lot of others, I always tell people, put your story down on the website, because once it's down, then I can make comments on it, but I can't make comments on something you asked me about, you know, on the Internet without it already being posted. So, yeah, people don't understand this, this conundrum, but it's a big issue.

Yep. Yeah. Well, there's, there's one other thing that I want to get into. Oh, and by the way, I wanted to make sure and mention I know we have listeners over in the uk. There is a professional triathlete friend of mine who runs a website called kiro7.com over there. I know that some of these sites, and I'll put links to a few others in the show notes, might not be accessible to our UK listeners. So there's that one over there as well. Now, of course, I'm putting links to everything that you mentioned and folks can go over to BenGreenfieldFitness.com optimal to find some of this stuff. But you also have a ton of people coming in for this optimal reset. Everybody from Dave Asprey to my friend Amir Rosik, looks like he's going to talk on sleep. I'm going to talk on biohacking, sports performance. You've got a ton of guests coming in, but one in particular is going to talk about why women have trouble losing weight. And his name is Tim Jackson. He did a blog post for Ben Greenfield Fitness a little while ago. But I'm curious, can you just give us a little sneak peek into the kind of stuff that Tim's going to talk about and maybe just a couple of the little reasons why women in particular have trouble losing weight?

Well, first, let me tell you a little bit about Tim. You're probably not going to find anybody more knowledgeable about single nucleotide polymorphism. So if any of your listeners had a 23andMe test done and you have no clue what it means, Tim is the guy that you definitely want in your bullpen. Tim also is trained by another guy that's going to be in the reset named Dr. Kendall Stewart. And Kendall Stewart is an MD. He owns a company named Neurobiologics and he's going to taunt me off reset about but where he cut his teeth. He's meeting t doctor and he got really interested in autism and he started to make a lot of the linkage between snips and transition metals, emf, lots of different things. And he started to train people and Tim was one of the persons that he trained Kendall and Tim also started to realize that there was a huge tie, like another lay of the onion peel. When you get past the core, which is that three legged stool, which is SNPs and hormones. Tim is also a pretty good expert on bioidentical hormones, the difference between synthetic and non synthetic, and how they Interplay with your SNPs. What people don't realize if you go to an anti aging doctor that really doesn't know that much about SNPs, if you happen to have say, a defect there where, say you can't. I'll just try to pull one up out of the blue. Say comt. You can have a serious problem with dopamine. And dopamine for postmenopausal women is huge. Not to hurt anybody's brain any further than we already have. I've got a blog post called Brain Gut 11 that talks about the effect of dopamine and prolactin on postmenopausal women and why they have a really hard problem losing weight. Well, why is this important? Say if you're a premenopausal woman, but you have the risk factors that a postmenopausal woman would have. For example, you're a crossfitter and your PGE2 ratio, meaning progesterone to estradiol ratio, is upside down and you happen to have a couple of bad snips and your period stops, you may begin to realize, because most people on the Payload Committee think, well, if I exercise too much, I get amenorrhea. What they don't realize is that there's many paths to amenorrhea and that amenorrhea could potentially french fry your fertility. It could lead to hypothalamic amenorrhea. You could actually trash your ability to have children if you have these pre existing conditions. So again, it goes to my point, the more you know, the better you do. And if this happens to be an area that you're really interested in, say you're a triathlete endurance athlete and you're a female and you've had amenorrhea, this is the part of the optimal reset you're going to be really, really interested in. And I'm not kidding when I tell you I can't think of two guys that I know of that know more about single nucleotide polymorphism than these two. And if you happen to have anybody in your family that has autism or any type of neuroimmune condition, these are your guys. I mean, they are true experts.

Nice. Now, do you think, and I know this might be a loaded question, so feel free to give me the short answer if you want, but do you think that women who are having trouble Losing weight should go out and get genetic testing like 23andMe. Genetic testing.

Well, let's put it this way, Ben, before anybody drops money again, it's more about the context. Those are the kind of people I tell to come to my form. Come to your form, drop your story down, let's look at it, let's discuss it. Once you understand someone's context, then you can direct them to what should be done and what shouldn't be done. Because one of the big things that I really believe in, not a lot of people have an unlimited fund of money to go test this, go buy this and do that. I think when someone has context, you can tell them what they should do and what they shouldn't do. But if you are a woman who has this specific problem and you're not getting any answers, oh, yeah, this is something that you definitely want to consider. And especially if you've gone to the OB GYN and they tell you, hey, well look, I did your FSH and your LH and your E2 and your progesterone and everything looks okay, you know, and when the doctor says okay, what you need to understand, what does okay mean? I have this famous saying that I used in my clinic. When you're in third grade, you've got a 65 on your math test that your dad whipped your ass. And you know, people look at me like, yeah. I said, well, you need to look at your own lab test and look at what the doc's calling okay. There's a reference range. And you know, if you just happen to get in the normal range, they call that okay. Okay. That's not okay. Especially if you're 31 years old and you don't have a period and you're trying to have a baby or say you're 31 year old guy and you got a testosterone of 380 and 350 is the lower end. That's not okay. Yeah. So you need to put that in context. And if you happen to have, you know, labs that consistently show you're on the lower end, then boom, these guys are definitely going to be able to help you and they may be able to uncover something. And Tim, the thing I love about Tim, he does, he has the same philosophy I do. He doesn't tell people to go out and buy the 23 me test until he thinks it's needed, that it's expensive. You know, when they first started all this, that test was a thousand bucks.

I know.

Now it's 99 bucks. You know, it's not that expensive. You know, 99 bucks may be expensive for, you know, somebody who doesn't have a lot of money. We have to be cognizant of that when we're trying to biohack people. Your group, you know, who are athletes, they usually will spend the money because they want that performance. They're willing to spend it because if they can shave a hundredth off or lift an extra 10 pounds for them, it's worth it. So we just gotta be cognizant when we're doing this that everybody needs to be included here. Because I personally believe optimal health is for everybody. It's no longer a luxury, it's a choice. And what our job is to do is to give people the tools to understand what they can do themselves and then when to use a professional at the appropriate time. And that's when you can allocate your dollars at that time.

Yeah. And, you know, I know in the optimal reset, you also get into some of the things like you can do with your raw data from 23andMe calm. I think a lot of people don't realize, like, you can take that data and find out a ton more information using, using some services that are actually free. And it's, it's some pretty cool stuff. It's, it's a fun day and age.

Tim does all that. Tim really does all that. And he's done many consults for people on my form. And you know, if, if anybody on your forum doesn't know that, just come over to my forum and just put Tim Jackson in and get some feedback from the people that have worked with him. And I think you're gonna find out he's a top shelf kind of dude.

Yeah, well, we have covered a ton of information. Like I mentioned, if you've been listening the whole time, then you probably already know this, but you can go over to BenGreenfieldFitness.com optimal to go check out this brand new optimal reset program with all these special guests that Dr. Cruz has brought on. I took a ton of notes over the past hour and 15 minutes and have written all of them down over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com if you go to the show notes for this particular episode, actually you can just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com272 that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com 272. You can check out all of my personal notes and show notes and even links to some of the previous podcasts that we've done with, with Dr. Cruz, where we take a deeper dive into some of these things like cold thermogenesis and biohacking your home and things of that nature. So, Dr. Cruz, that being said, I want to thank you so much for your time and for coming on today's call.

Anytime. And, you know, if you ever need anything, you know, I know Ben does this. He answers questions on his forum. I do the same thing. Just drop us a line. And if there's anything we can do to help there.

Awesome. Well, folks, until next time, this is Ben Greenfield and Dr. Jack Cruse from BenGreenfieldFitness.com272 signing up.

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