Alchemical Detox, Colon & Liver Cleansing, Water Purification, The "Terrain" Of Your Body & More With Dr. Andrew Kaufman.

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Podcast, our bodies take this apple and turn it into human flesh. And that is a natural transformation process. And you can use the principles of alchemy to simply describe or understand various steps in that transformational process.

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And he's also just basically a guy who is really spreading the truth right now about the world we live in today. Fighting for freedom and the vital knowledge that you need to truly care for for yourself at the highest level. How to become your own health authority is something that this guy really specializes in. His name is Dr. Andrew Kaufman. We'll call him Dr. Andy. That's okay if we call you Dr. Andy, right? Dr. Andy?

Yeah, absolutely.

Okay, good, good. Just making sure. Didn't want to disrespect anyways, though. So the show notes for everything that Andy and I talk about are@BenGreenfieldLife.com Kaufman Dr. Andy's last name K A U F m a n. So BenGreenfieldLife.com Kaufman I'll link to everything that Andy does and what he's been up to, but he has a BS from MIT in Molecular biology. He's got his psychiatric training from Duke University Medical center, very prestigious medical center. After graduating from the Medical University of South Carolina, he spent many years in the medical field as a forensic psychiatrist, an expert witness, and according to what I've learned, when he learned that many of the modern medical practices were harming people, not helping them, he gave up a lucrative medical career and started researching and understanding the true relationship between body, mind and spirit, and how to use nature to heal your own body. And that's exactly what we're going to talk to you today. So, Dr. Andy, there are so many places we could start, but I kind of think it's quite interesting that you were a forensic psychiatrist, an expert witness in medicine. So fill me in on that and what got you into doing that?

Well, pretty much as soon as I had learned that forensic psychiatry existed as a subspecialty, I was instantly drawn to it because it's the opportunity to use your analytical and rhetoric skills to make an argument. And it actually has a influence on people's lives and serious decisions of legal and administrative. So essentially what it is is it's the intersection of psychiatry and the law. And in psychiatry there are actually a lot of special laws like to civilly commit a patient to take away their freedoms and force them to receive treatment in the hospital, for example, something that as a psychiatrist you're given these kind of police powers. And so this is the avenue where these things get adjudicated in a courtroom or other administrative hear. And human rights are, at least in paper, attempted to be respected in this process. So I was kind of drawn to that. And it really was important in my development because it gave me the opportunity to hone my skills of investigation. As a forensic expert, you're expected to go through massive amounts of information, so called evidence. So for example, if I were an expert witness on a case, let's say a murder case, for example, I was involved in a couple of those. I would be given a box full of records that could include records from school, from military service, from employment. It could also include witness statements and criminal records, which could be quite extensive. It could include testing results, it could include all kinds of health records, from mental health records and counseling to hospitalization, surgeries, all of this kind of thing. And I would have to go through that mountain of evidence looking for things that speak directly to some question which I'm asked to make an opinion on. Like for example, was the defendant under a psychiatric crisis at the time the crime was committed, or were the their actions motivated by a delusional content, like part of their illness rather than something in reality, for example, and this experience and then of course, interviewing people for hours. One time I interviewed one individual client for nine hours over two days. And you're trying to find that little bit of information that can speak to the issue and sift through a lot of things that are really unreliable or irrelevant. And that kind of thinking helped me approach what's going on in the world today.

So did something happen when you were in forensic psychiatry or as an expert witness in medicine that made you step back and question? And it's kind of along the lines of a guy I recently interviewed. His name was was Gary Brecken. He was telling me about how, when he was doing insurance adjusting for a variety of different companies, he found that the majority of chronic disease was related to hypoxia. And he felt guilty because he couldn't really help these folks. He could just generate numbers. And he wound up pivoting as a biologist and starting to treat people using things like exercise, oxygen therapy, and ozone therapy, and mitochondrial enhancement, and just kind of completely switched his career once he realized how messed up the sector that he was in was. So for you, was there, like, a triggering moment when you realized that maybe what you were doing wasn't really doing folks as many favors as you could be doing?

Well, there were several, and it was a process. And I did something very similar to what you just described, and I'm now completely out of that system. But I think a really early, pivotal moment for me was when I was in my first year of training at Duke, and we had this weekly journal club that was very important. Like, it was mandatory participation. It was called a critical appraisal of the literature. And we actually looked at scientific papers that were published and picked them apart because we were aware there was a lot of bias, especially in clinical research, like studying antidepressants and things like that. And we looked at this big article where a researcher who is outside of the mental health world got all of the data submitted to get various antidepressant drugs approved to the fda. But these were unpublished data, because the drug companies only publish things that make their drugs look really good, but they have to submit everything to the fda. So this scientist analyzed all of that data, published and unpublished, and showed that there was really no benefit for antidepressants at all that was meaningful. And we all agreed with the conclusions by doing this critical appraisal. But then right after that, like, the same day, we went to the clinics, and we were still told to prescribe antidepressants without any change in our strategy whatsoever. And this, you know, contradiction or hypocrisy really made an indelible imprint on me. And that was the beginning of me looking critically at everything that was going on in psychiatry and basically trying to divorce myself from the mainstream practices.

So when things like that happen, is there, like, a lag Time, do you think? I mean, when we find out something like antidepressants don't work or don't work as well as we would have thought, I certainly see mutterings about something like that. Some research or piece of information or study will get released. Obviously doctors are still prescribing and possibly even the entire medical school curriculum hasn't changed based on that. But is there an even approximate amount of time that it takes for, for new research to saturate into medicine? Is it like 2 years, 5 years, 10 years? Never?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the Institute of Medicine has looked at this, although it could be another body and it's somewhere on the order of like 11 or 15 years before.

11 or 15. Geez.

Finding actually gets into the day to day practice of a majority of clinically practicing professionals. Wow. And I can, you know, give you lots of examples because there are things that I learned about many, many years ago that when I talk to people and they tell me about their diagnosis and what they're prescribed, they're still prescribed medicines that were known, you know, not to be effective 10 years ago or 15 years ago.

Wow, that's crazy. I mean, just, just the amount of people that could be harmed or at least not served correctly or have money wasted in the medical system for 11 to 15 years. Geez.

There are two other really important things to speak to this issue. One is that it's very commonly told in medical school to the medical students that half of what you learn will be obsolete by the time you're out there practicing. There's an acknowledged uncertainty in the information available. Then there's also the famous Professor John Ioannidis paper, probably the world's most famous epidemiologist in plos one, that says more than half of all published research findings are false. So when we're looking at the body of evidence used to practice medicine, we're essentially largely looking at a combination of false conclusions as well as just plain ignorance of the overturning of false conclusions.

Wow. Yeah. I mean, I came across a study this morning about how 85% of strength conditioning research is flawed or uses flawed methodologies, which is just absolutely bonkers when you think about only 15% of what you're seeing is legitimate research. So yeah, I would imagine that the doctors who are engaged in independent continuing education and who are actually studying up on this stuff themselves, which you see a lot in functional medicine, for example, that they'd be ahead of the curve. But correct me if I'm wrong, it just seems like A lot of doctors are stuck in their old ways that they learned in medical school and just aren't progressing much at all, whether due to being too busy or something else.

Yeah, no. There are mechanisms in place to keep doctors from looking for true information. Like, for example, they're extremely overworked in order to keep up with their overhead and make a living.

That you think that's intentional to keep them from actually learning. I don't know, call it the truth or whatever.

Well, whether it was established as something intentional or not, it still serves to function in that way. Because if you have to, for example, see one patient every six minutes in order to make your quotas, you're not going to have time to sit down and read the research literature. You combine that with. There is required what they call cme, or Continuing Medical Education. There are a certain number of hours you have to do for several different sources, by the way, for your state licensure as well as for your board certification. And so anyone trying to maintain board certification, now, this is where they really capture you, because there is this requirement for ongoing education. And some of them even have tests that you have to take every so many years or hand in a project or things like this. And they have to approve the materials that you use to educate yourself. So you can't just go out there and search the literature and the science yourself. You have to use their approved sources and materials. And it turns out that the sources of these materials are essentially these shell companies or foundations that are set up by the pharmaceutical industry to put their marketing messages in the educational material. And this keeps you from looking outside because you're required to use these sources in order to keep your credentials active. And if you don't keep your credentials active, then you could risk your pay scale decreasing. You could lose your faculty status, your malpractice liability insurance premiums can go up. There are all sorts of consequences. So you're really stuck within the system, and it's very, very difficult to look outside unless you're willing to go outside the system and run your own business, not rely on insurance companies. And that's very risky for most folks in this profession. Although that's exactly what I've done.

Okay, gotcha. And you seem to have really focused as you pivoted out of forensic psychiatry and being an expert witness in medicine into this concept of how our environment affects our health. And I'm not sure if there was, like a triggering incident that caused you to begin to focus on the terrain and the environment in terms of your Writings and your content, what you're doing now, or were you always aware of the importance of our. Even your new film, it's called Terrain. So the importance of Terrain. Is this something that's been a growing interest of yours, or where did this start?

Well, I really came upon this empirically because I first observed the shortcomings of the mainstream allopathic medical system. And I had lots of personal experience with this. And then through all my investigation of the published literature, essentially confirmed that way more people are harmed by that health system than are possibly helped. And so I had to look elsewhere.

By the way, is it true. Sorry to interrupt. The number three cause of death, from what I understand in the US at least, is medical errors and causing things like sepsis, for example, and mrsa and all these issues that we see coming out of hospitals, which I suppose are now a very dangerous place to be.

Well, I mean, according to Johns Hopkins University research, they estimated, and this is more than 10 years ago, 250,000 deaths a year from medical errors. But then there's additional data looking at deaths from prescription drugs taken as directed. And when you combine those two together, you're well ahead of lung disease in the CDC's leading cause of deaths. But that doesn't account for actually all the medically induced deaths because it doesn't account for vaccines, it doesn't account for chemotherapy. So there's other ways of looking at this data, and there are many different estimates, but I would say that the third leading cause of death is the most conservative estimate, and it only comes from if you're just using two published studies from the American Medical association and from Johns Hopkins University.

Okay. All right, got it. So back to what you're explaining about your journey to the importance of terrain and the environment.

Yeah. So once I realized that I wasn't doing very good medicating my patients and following the traditional psychiatry, I came across, very fortunately, from a fellow in my kind of spiritual development group, suggested to read this book by Kelly Brogan, another psychiatrist. And she had kind of also had a similar path where she realized that mainstream psychiatry was not really a good thing and found other ways of using diet and some detoxification to address psychiatric problems. And I tried this on my own and with one colleague and had amazing results. So this led me on a path to just look outside the medical system at every expert that I could find who was in this space and see what kind of results they had and what kind of procedures or substances lead to good outcomes if there are more. And so I did uncover a lot of different practitioners over the course of several years, studying this and studying their methods. And it was only after kind of collecting the procedures and materials that led to the most healing that I saw this pattern, that it was essentially a lot of detoxification and nutrition, and all these materials were found in nature. And then when I began looking into things like pleomorphism, for example, and looking at the microbial world and what it does in nature and how nature essentially heals from illness itself. Right. Like when we have poisoned land or deforested land, for example, everything kind of came together, that there is really a balance that is established and maintains itself through, you know, all these homeostatic mechanisms in nature. And it always tries to restore itself to a state of optimal health. And that all of the procedures and materials that show empirically to lead to that kind of healing all support the natural functions of restoration, healing, and rehabilitation. So I kind of came to this formulation over time. And, of course, the term terrain theory was already out there in the ethos, but it really resonated with me when I heard it, and it really applies to my message.

Yeah, the terrain theory is something that I recently discussed with a guest named Robert Slovak, who talked a lot about the origins of human existence on coastlines and the relationship between humans and seawater. And he was very into the idea that if we replenish the body with constituents that are very, very near to the electrolyte content of plasma, that that's one. One example of how the terrain is everything. And we kind of unpacked that pretty well in that podcast. That would be a good one. By the way, if you're listening in right now, go back and listen to that podcast with Robert to learn a little bit more about this. This idea of terrain theory. But now you're doing an actual film project based on this entire concept. Tell me about the film project, Andy.

Yeah, well, terrain, the film is a project with Marcelina Cravat, who is an amazing filmmaker. And we met up early during the pandemic years and kind of hit it off right away. And she was just, like, super curious and wanted to know what's really going on with all of the science, what really helps people heal, the same burning questions that most of us have. But she was willing to read any book I suggested and then get back to me with a hundred more questions. And we developed this kind of collaboration. And through her process of learning about the reality of science underlying germ theory and viruses and how health really works, she created this film documenting everything she learned and including some very key contributors along the way. And it. So it kind of tells the story of her transition or shift from the old way of thinking, you know, being a patient at the local clinic and getting vaccines and antibiotics, to a totally different way of, you know, thinking about health, taking responsibility, realizing what is really causing your health problems. How do you restore yourself and maintain health? And so we present an overview of that whole shift process. And it's not just a scientific documentary. It encompasses the entire human experience in the context of the last couple of years, at least 2020 through the end of 2021, when we finished up the film production.

Okay, got it. Now, this film, I've had a chance to. Your team sent it over for me to review. And there's all sorts of little, like, you know, bonuses, and you go into all these different categories. But I'd love to unpack a few of the concepts in the film just so people can start to understand this whole concept of terrain using some very practical examples. And by the way, for those of you listening in, I'm working out with Andy's team a special link and a code for you guys to be able to get access to this film. If you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com Kaufman K A U F M A N I'll put it all over there. But you talk about water a lot. I don't know if you knew this, Andy. My dad is in the water filtration industry. My brother works with him. My dad started off in coffee and coffee shops and wound up finding the number one thing that influences the flavor of lattes and coffees and espresso, in addition to the bean quality, was the water. And he started repairing espresso machines and changing up the water filtration technologies in a lot of these coffee shops, and then wound up moving on to farms and homes and all sorts of stuff. So from about the age of 16, I've seen my dad take a deep dive into water, and I have a keen interest in it as well. But I would love to hear your take on water. And first of all, you say that water plays a central role in healing biological mechanisms. What's that even mean? What's the central role of water in healing biological mechanisms?

Well, sometimes I get ahead of myself with technical language, but water, you know, has always been taught to me and to virtually everyone else in the context of biology, as being a completely passive substance in the background. Kind of like the air around you right now, but. But not even the oxygen part, just the inner argon or nitrogen that doesn't get absorbed into your body. And that actually, it turns out, couldn't be farther from the truth. Now, it's also kind of common knowledge that the body is composed of about 2/3 or less for most individuals who are chronically dehydrated, but about 2/3 water by weight. But it's not generally thought about that 99 out of every 100 molecules in your body is water. And the reason why there's that disparity is because water molecules are so smaller and lighter than many of the biological molecules that make up the other 1%, things like proteins and carbohydrates and nucleosides. So water is really what we are made of principally. But the other thing that is quite fascinating is that the water in our body is not the same as the water in our drinking glass or in our sink or in the swimming pool.

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Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, I know this is difficult or you know, it's hard to wrap your head around at first, but let me give you a practical example from my friend Tom Cowan on this. So we've all had experience with a water balloon. So let's say a water balloon would be similar to your skin outside the water in your body. Like let's say your calf muscle, for example. Now if we take a pin, right, and prick the water balloon, what happens? The water squirts out, right? And form. Now if we take a pin and puncture our calf, right, or puncture a cell for that matter, right, which is really like a microscopic water balloon in a sense. The water is not going to squirt out like that. Now, I'm not talking about if you accidentally hit an artery and it pumps out, because we all know that that can happen. But I'm talking about just by relieving the pressure of the water inside, right? It doesn't squirt out like in a water balloon. And that's because the water is actually in a totally different phase of matter. Actually, it turns out that is somewhat like a gel or a liquid crystal. And this occurs specifically in biological surfaces or against biological surfaces, but also in other places in nature. And there are many ways to energize water into this kind of gel, liquid crystal, type of.

Yeah. And I'd love to hear some of you, some of your tips for creating that scenario. But just because it's difficult for people, I think, to understand this idea of water being a gel. There's actually a great book I read about this called Quench. I haven't interviewed the author of this book about the idea of water in its gel form being present in many fruits and vegetables and produce, for example. But if you were to, let's say, make chia seeds slurry, like take chia seeds and dissolve them in water and you get this nice stomach nourishing gel. Or if you were to, I don't know if anybody's ever had a sea moss gel before, that'd be another example. You can make it yourself. You get CMOS and you hydrate it and you blend it and you get this nice gel like structure. Aloe vera gel would be another example. Just think about those textures and then imagine that your cell isn't like the sloshy liquid water. It's more of that gel based format that allows for a lot of the delivery of nutrients in and out of the cell and the proper flow of electrolytes, et cetera. And so you were about to explain, Andy, how we actually optimize the formation of that kind of water in the body itself.

Right. Well, let me first say that there might even be a more mundane example to understand what we're saying about a gel. Because we might be familiar with Jello, right? Especially if you've been to the hospital, they really like to feed you Jello there. And what is Jello? All it is is gelatin, which is a protein made from ground up cow bones, but it's also in our bones and tissues, it's related to collagen and it's that mixed water. And you know, we have to heat the water to make Jello to help the water interface properly and dissolve the gelatin. Protein. But it's really the interaction between the water and that gelatin protein, which is hydrophilic, that creates the gelled form of the water. So it's actually quite similar to what's inside of our body. And you know, you know how that the edge of the jello mold also, like, it doesn't have a skin on it like a membrane, but it still keeps its shape because it's in that gel structure. Right. And so our cells and tissues in our body are very similar to that. Right. And we see how they maintain our shape. Now some things are maybe made of metal or harder materials like bones, but all our other tissues also can be very firm. Like just flex your muscle and feel it. There's no metal in there. Right. That's kind of gelatinous water that you're, that you're really feeling. So the way that this happens inside your body, that the water turns into this fourth phase of water or easy water or structured water, There are many names for this gelatinous type of water is very simple. Two things generally take place. One is that the water is near what's called a hydrophilic or a water loving surface. And that would be almost all of your tissues, including the inside of blood vessel walls, for example, and all of the tubes and networks in your body. Then the presence of sunlight in the form of infrared light, which penetrates right through biological tissues. It's the light that we can see at night using night vision goggles. And it is really ubiquitous. You have to have a special chamber to actually prevent infrared light from getting in. So just with being exposed even indirectly at nighttime to the sun, and having these hydrophilic surfaces allows your body to create this amazing form of water which really carries out all the function of water which I can expand upon.

Okay, so when people are, and I get this question a lot when people are, let's say, eating foods that are in a gel like format, like let's say Jello or chia seed slurry or fruit or something like that, or cucumber or people are drinking water that apparently has a little bit more of this H2O bonding or H3O bonding. I think it is like structured water, vortice water. The type of water that the doctor, what's his name, the guy up at University of Washington who does the water research. Do you know who I'm talking about?

Dr. Pollock.

Yeah, Dr. Pollock wrote the Cells and gels book. If people are drinking that type of water or eating it, is that sufficient to allow for the gel to form properly in the human cell, or do you still need to do some other things like you mentioned light exposure, et cetera, to get the water into its ideal gel like format within the cell or around the cell?

Right. Well, this is a little bit more complicated than that because our bodies do this all on their own. They take any water that comes into our body, and if they're able to, there are some things we do which interfere with this, and that's how it relates to illness. But our body does this all on its own. If we don't get in the way. Now in terms of drinking water that is in this state or closer to this state, we are starting to find some benefits to this. There are definitely benefits that have been seen in plant growth and we're getting some early data of studies in humans, but I wouldn't say it's definitive. But for me, it's enough data to decide that for my family and I, all the water we drink is energized or structured by a device that I've researched and, you know, will use that water preferentially, even If I'm not 100% sure it will make a big difference in the long run. But more importantly, what we want to do is make sure that we don't interfere with our body's ability to have the water in this way. Because it turns out that really if there's either not enough water in our body or the water is contaminated with toxins or pollutants or waste products, that it limits the water's ability to form this pure crystalline structure. And the crystalline structure is necessary for the functions like of locomotion of the blood vessels and of maintaining the membrane potential or the voltage like little batteries in our body. So if we have a toxic lifestyle and or we're dehydrated, our body is going to be very limited to be able to form this kind of water, and then we're going to have problems in our ability to carry out the body's functions.

Okay, all right, got it. What's the way that you structure your water? Like, do you have a special type of filter that you use?

Well, I use a device called the Analemma water wand and this was.

Oh, so somebody just recently sent me a bunch of those. I've been trying. You know, I make a big morning glass of water with hydrogen tablets and a little bit of electrolytes and some vitamin C. And they say that if you stir the water, it's kind of silly for me because I have a whole house structured water filter But I'm just using this just out of curiosity. And also when I travel, apparently you stir the water with this wand for 30 to 60 seconds and it somehow structures the water.

Yeah, it's a very fascinating device. And the reason that I use it is because of the degree of testing and a scientific analysis that's been done independently of the device. But it's a little bit unique because what happened is that its creator, Dolph Zantenge, who's really a scientist, studied how water gets structured in nature, but outside of organisms, because he found structured water in nature in some natural streams or springs or reservoirs. And so he has tried to mimic this process, starting with. Actually, I'm not positive what water he starts with. I believe it's a natural water source. And he puts the water through this process over an entire year and then puts a small aliquots of it into these quartz cuvettes, which the quartz allows the structured property or energy to be transferred to another body of water. It can't be a glass tube when you stir it. Then there are ways to measure that. Now that water is structured, specifically, there is a unique absorption pattern that separates it from bulk water that you can test at a laboratory setting. For example, Dr. Pollack has published the standards on that. So when you stir water with this, not only does it become energized or structured, but it actually, it maintains its structured state even when exposed to, like, radio frequencies, cell phones, smart meters, things like that. And it's been tested up to a full year, and it's stable over that time. So it's, it's a little bit unique. Now, other technologies probably haven't been fully tested, so there may be other ways to do that. But he did take the step to do this kind of testing.

Okay, got it. But no filters or anything like that. You're mostly just using this stick to stir a lot of the water that you drink.

Yeah, well, I do have, actually, I believe this is from your dad's company. I have a spiral hose pipe attachment for, like, watering the garden or you're, you know, raising vegetables and things like that. And I've planned my own experiment in the spring. And I know that this kind of experiment has been done successfully with other devices. But I'm going to put grass seed in my lawn and water half of it with this device and the other half without it, with just the same hose and water. And I'm going to monitor the density and the, and the rate of growth and see what the difference is. And, you know, interestingly, in other studies like this, they've actually found even improvements in the mineral content of the soil, even when rainwater was structured and given to tomato plants versus rainwater that's not been structured.

Fascinating. Okay, so do you when you're using these type of devices? And by the way, I do like the concept. They, they make those kind of things for shower heads, for the end of hoses, for the whole house, if you want to do the whole house. And I try and structure most of the water that I use, I always make sure I get rid of impurities first. Are you concerned at all about that? Are using carbon block or reverse osmosis or anything?

Absolutely, yes. I'm in a city on city water, so I use a reverse osmosis filter. But that is the first and most important thing is that you're not drinking poisoned water. Absolutely.

Okay, all right, got it. So when you're using all of these tactics for the water, do you add anything to the water? Like, are you a fan of adding back in minerals some people are into like the hydrogen tablets in water? Are you messing around with any of that or you're just going pure water?

I'm just going really pure water. The only thing I do add is my intention of gratitude, generally speaking.

Okay, all right, got it. Yeah. And then that's something that I know can be a Quantum principles affect some of the structuring of the water in a very interesting way. And some people think it's woo woo, but it's not going to hurt, that's for sure.

Well, there's a really fascinating experiment that you can do at home, actually that's been replicated. Yeah. If you just. And you don't need a structuring device to do this, actually you could just use regular tap water. But what you do is you mix, let's say a quarter cup of rice in a full glass of water. You do it three glasses, same thing. And the three glasses. And you do this for a couple of weeks every day. One glass you say I love you too. One glass you say I hate you, and the other glass you ignore.

Okay.

And after two weeks, see what changes occurred because there will be breakdown of the rice, but it will occur in different ways in the different glasses, just based on your intention and how you're related to that water.

Fascinating.

Okay, it really is fascinating.

So with the water, the other thing that you get into is. I want to talk about this whole idea of an alchemical detox, because I know that's another thing that came up in the terrain project but this idea of just drinking water like water fasting, do you encourage water fasting and if so, how and why do you pull that off?

Well, water fasting is perhaps the purest and certainly one of the most powerful ways to heal because this is what all animals do in nature in order to heal. When they're sick, injured, they fast. And we've all observed this to some degree. And the same thing is true for you. And essentially what it does is it allows your body to purify its water from all these contaminants and thus restore full function. And there's even in the mainstream literature there's tons of evidence of the effectiveness of this. I've done it myself several times, including a 26 day extended water fast. And it's something that I definitely talk about and in fact I'm developing with my apprentice, Dr. Grayson Dart, a water fasting supervision clinic.

Okay, and how's a water fast actually, actually work? How many days do you go and what do you feel like as you do this? I'm just curious. We haven't talked about water fasting a lot before on the show.

Sure, yeah. Well, the minimum time to call it a fast would be 24 hours, but that's not really long enough to address a serious health concern. Although it may still be helpful. You may feel energized and have some moderate benefit. So we're talking about really if you want to get into some major healing, I would say it has to be 10 to 14 days minimum. Although 21 days seems to be from experience, a major threshold that it, that you have a life changing experience if you do 21 days or longer, but you get into what's called a ketosis metabolism starting around seven, eight days. So you can have several days in that kind of a healing state if you do sort of a 10 to 14 day fast. So that would be kind of too.

It's a long time.

Well, I mean time is all relative. It's safe to fast for three or four months actually. And many people have done that, especially people who are very overweight can fast that long very easily. But we're all capable of going that long without any starvation or major health consequences.

Do you do that yourself very often that this, this longer, like 10 to 14 day water fast?

Well, you know, it's not good to do it terribly often because you need to have your body needs to kind of completely recover from it before you do it again. You know, it's when your body goes through that level of healing, it's a lot of things to undertake. And you know, the reason why you have to rest while you're fasting is to allow your body to use all its energy for that purpose. And so you don't want to put your body through that kind of procedure again so soon unless you know it's a necessity like that you're addressing a life threatening illness and you may need to fast several times to recover completely. So some folks recommend waiting six to nine months before doing another long fast. Now if you're doing shorter term fasts, then it's no problem to do them on a somewhat regular basis. Like for example, if you wanted to fast one day a week, you could certainly keep that up and it would not have any adverse effects in terms of nutritional depletion or anything like that. I did one about a month ago, that was eight days and I wanted to actually go a full two weeks, but I had unfortunately too many business obligations to extend it and I had to cut it short a little bit. But it was still very beneficial.

You ever test your blood or anything before or after to see if there's any noticeable changes or anything in particular that really stands out in response to a water fast?

All my experience as a physician has led me to conclude that blood tests are very misleading really. So I really never use any kind of diagnostic testing. I find that you can always figure out what's going on by simply talking to someone and asking the right questions. Really? But yeah, absolutely.

So I guess, I don't know, let's say something like vitamin D. How would you quantify vitamin D blood levels with talking?

Well, I wouldn't have to look at their blood. I would look at their health and I would look at, ask them about, you know, their lifestyle, what, what they're eating, where, what they're, are they spending time outdoors, where do they live? And it'd be pretty easy to know if they were getting a sufficient vitamin D either from a dietary source, from being out in the sun. Also, were they getting enough saturated fat and cholesterol in their diet in order for their body to have the raw materials to make vitamin D. And then there are other hormones that are related to vitamin D also being synthesized from cholesterol. So I would look at those issues and things like testosterone for example, because often when there's problems and deficiency in one, it's the other. So it would basically be focused on, you know, understanding what the individual's health concerns are and then, you know, looking for the causes of those things and helping them by teaching them the information to Correct it. You know, you can get a blood vitamin C to go into an ideal range by taking vita synthetic vitamin D3. But every time you put that into your body, your body sees it as a foreign substance, not as a food nutrient, and you have an inflammatory response. And. And it's not even all of the vitamin D components, it's just one purified out. So is that really going to be an optimal way to improve your body's health? You know, so I'm not saying, you know, this is something you recommend, but. But it's not the way I look at things.

Now, would you say the same thing for, I don't know, urine testing or stool testing or salivary genetic testing and things like that as well?

There's really not any diagnostic testing whatsoever that I ever recommend or think has value.

Okay, interesting. So you don't hear that often these days in terms of quantification. There's even people who will do. I don't know, you think about this electrical analysis, you know, you know, like an AO scan or a body scan or some type of an electrical analysis of meridians and chakras and things like that. Would you say the same thing for those type of quantification protocols?

Well, you know, the main basis that I've criticized, for example, the false diagnostic tests for Covid was because they were never actually validated. And a validation study is where you basically show, does something measure what you say it measures. And I've not found most of these kind of tests that you've mentioned to have undergone any kind of basic validation. So they don't have a known error rate or other characteristics. So there's no way to judge the validity of their information. But let me further expand that. Even if these things are validated and are the gold standard, so recently someone I knew was pregnant and thought that they had a miscarriage, but weren't sure and their midwife had put them through this series of blood tests. Now, I had heard about this from medical school, and if you look up in any OB book, this is the gold standard of how to tell if the pregnancy in your belly is still alive. You get three blood tests that are called quantitative Beta hcg, that's the pregnancy hormone. But in this case, it's not a yes or no test. It's the actual amount of this hormone in the blood. And it's supposed to be going up during the first trimester of pregnancy. And so you get three samples each, two days apart. And if the trend is the numbers going up, then the pregnancy is good. And if the number is going down, then you have essentially a miscarriage that hasn't come out yet. And so she did this test. It showed a miscarriage, and then she went for an ultrasound and it showed the baby was alive and healthy. So if we rely. If she relied on this test and decided to get an abortion, like to clean out the dead material in her womb, she would have ended up killing an alive baby growing inside of her.

Wow. Crazy.

So that's, you know, how.

I don't.

Want to have that kind of a situation. And, you know, we could have done something very simple, you know, like listen for the baby's heartbeat.

Yeah.

To. To find out if there's a baby in there.

Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Okay, so let's say that one was going to proceed with water fasting and, you know, whether or not they were going to, you know, test or quantify this seems to be pretty related to this other concept that you seem to cover quite a bit in terms of the terrain and the environment. And that's what you call an alchemical detox. I don't think I've seen that phrase before. Alchemical detox. What's that mean?

Well, alchemy is kind of this ancient science that many of the famous scientists and philosophers that were taught about in school studied, but it's not taught about, except for the kind of fantasy of turning lead into gold. But what alchemy really is, is it's a way to understand changes in nature, like transformations. Like, for example, let's say that we eat a food like an apple, okay? So we take an apple which is in a certain form in nature, right? It has a red skin, it has flesh, a stem, etc. Seeds in the middle. We put that in our body. Our body transforms that apple into something totally different, right? It becomes part of our flesh. Maybe some of it comes out in our stool, but when it does, it doesn't look anything like an apple. Right. Unless we have some mal digestion syndrome. So our bodies take this apple and turn it into human flesh. And that is a natural transformation process. And you can use the principles of alchemy to simply describe or understand various steps in that transformational process. And once I learned about these steps and the way of looking at things in nature through this simple formulation, I saw that it applied to healing transformations. Because that's, you know, when you're in a state of illness and despair and disharmony. And then you take steps to bring about true healing, which involves not just doing physical things, but also addressing psychological and Spiritual like existential issues. You go through this process where you transform into a healthier state and hopefully that is a complete transformation to meet your goals. But even so, it's still a change. And, and these steps that are described in alchemy are inevitably involved. So after observing that, I simply applied this kind of understanding to all of the detoxification science and knowledge that I have. So the course really is teaching a comprehensive understanding of the principles and practices of detoxification in general and by the way, including a whole module on water. But it's understanding them in the context of these alchemical transformational process that you will go through from the start to the finish of your own personal healing and detox program.

So what would the alchemical detox actually look like? What would somebody be doing on a sample day of something like this?

Well, the course kind of teaches you how to establish your own customized protocol to address a variety of health issues. And so once you got to that stage, then you know, you would basically have a plan and, and it would involve a number of things. So if you're going to go through a typical healing protocol, it would, it would take a minimum of about a month's time. It could be extended depending on what you're doing and how, how much your health is affected. And it'll involve several components. Like there'll be a special diet that you'll be on which allows your body to cleanse and that could be fasting.

Right.

Which you don't eat anything. It could be a liquid type of diet where you're just having juices, or it could be another kind of cleansing diet. Usually that involves just a vegan diet, but occasionally there might be a combination where there's some kind of nutrient dense food added to it. And so it's depends on your unique situation. Then there'll always be a component of hydration to make sure that you're properly hydrated and that your needs for water may go up during your cleansing to help your body flush out toxins. Like this is definitely true during a water fast. My last water fast, by the end I was drinking six and a half liters of water in a 24 hour period, which is far more than I would need to drink going through my regular day to day, unless I'm doing some heavy lifting or something.

Okay.

And then there would always be an elimination aspect to the program because if your body is going to loosen up these toxins that it's been storing or that have been causing disease in parts of your body, it needs to get them all the way out. So usually involving the bowels or the skin or other organs of elimination.

Okay, got it. So when it comes to this alchemical detox, you talk about healing solvents, and I'm curious what a healing solvent is and how that would be used as a part of this protocol.

Sure. Healing solvents are essentially oily liquids that we are familiar with many of them, but I know that they're not generally formulated this way, but they include castor oil, essential oils, dmso, coconut oil, and turpentine, which is really my favorite for really intense healing situations. And what my theory is or my hypothesis, and I don't have studies to test this, but I do know that using these healing solvents in various ways has resulted in amazing recoveries from serious illnesses, things like lupus and other things, cardiovascular disease, etc. We could talk about that. But what I think happens is that since our body is made of water and that there are many of the toxic substances which are man made, which are not dissolvable or soluble in water. And these build up like a greasy sludge inside of our body in various places, just like they would be in a clogged pipe in your sink. If you've ever cleared one of those, you see that along the walls of the pipe is this kind of greasy sludge. And I think a similar kind of substance accumulates in your body and can cause lots of problems with health. And that these solvents are able to dissolve it away, but in a biologically compatible way, because all of these solvents come from plants in the natural world and they can dissolve it away so your body can completely eliminate it. And this is a procedure that allows you to recover well from many diseases.

Would that sludge be like biofilm or something like that? Or do we even know?

Well, I mean, I haven't actually discovered the substance or really named it, but it may be, you know, similar to that. I'm not sure if that is an oily substance or not, but you know, we've. Anyone who's done an enema or a colonic has seen some of this material or you know, by various other kinds of protocols with laxatives.

I was just like colonic mucosa or something like that. When, when I. When you see these stringy things kind of coming out the butt after an enema or something along those lines.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think that that is, you know, waste products that build up on the surface of the inside of your intestines and they're, they're kind of sticky and you know, they don't come out so easily. So when you start doing cleansing procedures, your body goes into this mode where it starts putting this stuff out more. You'll, you know, you'll experience this when you, if you do one of these that you, you'll have foul smelling things that are, you know, unexplainable in the toilet or even many times seeing worms. Worms in the toilet. Depending on what's going on with your health.

Now with the colonics or the enemas, for example, one concern that people have about those is that they could nuke the good bacteria in the colon or kind of clean you out too much. What do you think about that idea and do you have some way to replenish good bacteria?

If so, yeah. Well, this is definitely a risk for colonics. I mean, colonics have to be used only intermittently and for certain situations in a very time limited manner, like you know, two or three and then none for six months kind of thing because they can cause those problems. And that is very different from an enema because you're using a high volume of water under pressure and it's going, you know, all the way up to your small intestine. Now when you're using a regular enema, you're using a smaller, much smaller volume, like 1 liter or less. And it's only going really into your rectum and sigmoid colon, not very far at all. And I don't really think there's any risk from doing that unless you're putting poison water or some other kind of poison because, you know, just having or.

Perhaps coffee or something like that that has contaminants in it.

Well, yeah, so it is important if you're gonna do coffee enemas that you use, you know, organic coffee, I mean, it still may not be the healthiest thing gut, but that's for, you know, a different purpose. And coffee enemas is actually something I'm a big proponent of because there's amazing data on it. But it is once again a time limited use. You're not going to do coffee enemas forever. You're going to do it for a period, usually two to four weeks in order to improve your liver function. And then, then you don't, you know, then you don't need to do it again and you know, until next year or, or maybe not at all. Unless you're doing a serious protocol for a life threatening cancer or something like that, you may do it for a more extended time, but it's A time limited procedure with regular water enemas. There are some people who are so chronically constipated that they're unable to reactivate their bowels or they're unwilling to go through the kind of tedious long term commitment to bring that about. And using a daily enema has not been harmful in my experience. In fact, really can help stimulate good elimination.

Now, what about the liver? I mean, because what I understand is that the coffee enema, for example, can really help to move things through the liver and the gallbladder as well. As far as like a bile dump. I think they've even quantified or shown in some type of a scan the amount of bile that's released in response to a coffee enema. But do you have anything particular that you recommend for the liver or the gallbladder beyond something like that?

Well, there are, in fact, another module in my alchemical detox course is on the liver, because this is an issue that's commonly a barrier to healing. And what happens is that because of our lifestyle, that many of the things we're exposed to cause liver congestion, which is the same process that leads to what people know as a fatty liver and eventually cirrhosis of the liver. And these are mostly processed food additives and carbohydrates. Alcohol, of course, and pharmaceuticals are the biggest insults to our liver. And the liver gets clogged up and can't process as much of the waste over time. And this can cause all sorts of problems. So one thing is it causes things to bypass and go to the skin. So a lot of skin conditions, as well as allergies and asthma are worsened because the liver can't process these poisons. Accordingly. Of course, you talked about the stones that we get, and that's especially when you combine this problem with dehydration. You increase the risk and certain dietary factors. So all of these things can be addressed through various procedures that don't involve any surgery or antibiotics or anything like that. Coffee enemas is one very effective way to address the liver, but it's not something that you just do a coffee enema and forget about it. You want to also give your liver some rest. So you want to avoid wheat, meat and dairy for a period of time. Those require the most energy from your liver for digestion.

Really? Meat does, huh?

Yeah, absolutely. And not saying that it's not healthy to eat meat, but it does require a lot of effort from your liver to process all the nutrients. And so when you're working on your liver, you want to Rest your liver as much as possible so it can go into healing mode rather than being stuck in digestion mode. And then later on, when you're finished, that and you're rebuilding the liver, that's when you want to maybe eat liver. Because then it gives your liver the exact right nutrients to rebuild the liver, you know, in a pure way, wherever it's been damaged.

Yeah, that's the whole kind of like, like, like supports, like idea, right?

Yes, yes. But. But there are other things to do. There's certain specific nutrients that your liver needs to function optimally. So you want to include those in your diet. Things like flavonoids, for example, sulfur rich amino acids like cysteine and methionine to help make glutathione and other compounds. So you want to include specific foods containing those nutrients. Or some people even recommend supplements like MSM for sulfur. Or you could take a conjugated cysteine tablets. I'm not a fan of those.

Is conjugated cysteine. Is that like N acetylcysteine?

No. So that N acetylcysteine is a precursor. And that would be something else that you could include to repair the liver. And if you ever have an accidental poisoning, you definitely want to take NAC and acetylcysteine and vitamin C. And if you combine those two things with water and milk thistle, chances are you could probably survive almost any poisoning.

Hmm. Water and milk thistle plus what?

NAC and vitamin C. Okay, so if.

You had some kind of poisoning, you would do nac, vitamin C, milk thistle, and water, and that would flush the body really well.

Yes. And, you know, there might be other things you could. That's when the poison's already inside your body. If it's still in your gut, you can use a, you know, binding agent like charcoal or zeolite or bentonite clay also to prevent it from being absorbed into your body. But once it's in the body, those things could save your life from almost any kind of poison.

Wow, that's fascinating. I haven't heard of that combination before. Really interesting. And by the way, for those of you listening, I'm taking notes here that I'll put@bengreenfieldlife.com Kaufman K A U F M A N. You also appear to be a fan of shilajit. I noticed that you talked about that in the alchemical detox. What's going on with shilajitin?

Yes. Well, shilajit is a really important form of trace minerals because of the way we now Grow food where we're not growing it on our own land, and we're not putting the animals and our waste back into the soil that essentially, after two growing seasons, you're removing many of the minerals from the soil, and then the food is going to another location. So nothing ever replenishes the minerals. And pretty much all of the food we eat is devoid of these minerals. And there are about 50 or so trace minerals that we need. And it turns out that most of the proteins in our body use these trace minerals, these metals. So, for example, hemoglobin, we know that has an iron in it, and the iron is the part that binds the oxygen, so it's critical. And there are many of these, though, like things like manganese, copper, zinc, molybdenum, some of them you may not have even heard of. But our body uses these things, but we don't have them. And instead we have toxic metals that we're exposed to. Things like lead, hexavalent chromium and aluminum from vaccines and food storage containers. Right. And so our bodies actually, and this has been shown scientifically, will substitute these toxic metals because it's kind of better than nothing. But our proteins can't function optimally. So shilajit is essentially decomposed ancient plants, but just the part of them that contains the minerals, the other part has been biodegraded back into CO2, probably mostly the carbon. Right. So we're left with these minerals, and they're conjugated to fulvic acid, which is what plants used to suck the minerals out of the soil and deliver it to their leaves and stems. And so this is, if we were eating plants that had the minerals, it would be in this form. But this form is essentially like a tarry kind of earthen, soily, humus type substance.

Yeah, it's really interesting. I've used it before in a liquid and also on a tablet. And it's very interesting indeed. I mean, you feel a little bit of energy from it, too. Is it in Russia called the conqueror of mountains or something like that?

Yes, yes, it is. And mumio is the Cyrillic name for it. That means conqueror of mountains. Absolutely, yes. Because if you're devoid in these minerals, which we all are, then your body's physiology is not optimal. And when you replenish them, you can notice various types of improvements, all kinds of things. Improved sexual function, improved growth of hair, skin and nails. Improvement of, like, edema, like swelling of tissues. Some folks have reported all these kinds of improvements can occur once you replete yourself with Minerals.

And this is obviously all kind of like, it's all organized. If someone were to go to your alchemical detox next course, I think it's called True Medicine University is your, your website. And so you, you walk people through how to do the colon, how to deliver, when to take the shilajit, all these things.

Yeah. So for all of these procedures, first of all, there's like a video lesson that I teach you about all these things. And then we have tons of reference documents as well as all of my written protocols, which are there in very, very detailed. So it includes, you know, how to guides, tips, places to record your progress and plan out your own detox plus. Exactly. You know, the protocols that I've developed and that I teach to my clients that you can either use, you know, as a template to customize, or you can use them exactly that way. But it's really design so that you can learn everything from all of the theoretical background information to the clinical evidence for these various substances and procedures, all the way to the very practical. How do I do this? You know, what kind of materials do I need to buy? You know, what are the tips and tricks to overcome troubleshooting? And then also everyone who's in the course gets access to a special telegram group for students only, where I answer questions about the material on a daily basis.

Okay, all right, cool. And then the film project, that's something different. That's something that people can go and watch on a different website. Right? The terrain project.

Yes. Yeah, well, the terrain, the film is a regular movie. In fact, much to my surprise, it's just been listed on Amazon prime. So you can actually go to any hotel, anyone's home in the world, pretty much, and get on the computer or the TV and can stream it right on Amazon. So this is a major breakthrough to, you know, get this to a much, much wider audience. And we, we negotiated with them to have the cheapest price available. So it's only 99 cents actually to watch this film.

Okay, cool. So I'll. I'll link to that as well, so you guys can check it out. Actually, it's a really great film and builds on a lot of the concepts that Andrew just kind of didn't get a chance to take a deep dive into today, but gave us a real good preview of. And I'm even thinking about perhaps because I like to do a little bit of a detox at the beginning of each year. I'm thinking about trying out this alchemical detox myself, just as a little bit of immersive journalism. If I do, I'll let you guys know how it goes. We're just about out of time here. But what I want to tell folks listening in is that if you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com Kaufman I'll link to Andrew and in his alchemical detox, in this film and everything else that he does. And any last words that you would like to share with people regarding their internal terrain or detoxification or anything like that while I have you on Andrew.

Well, I just want to really leave an overall guiding message, which is that each and every one of us are really capable of taking charge of our own health and healing and learning this information or working with someone who really knows it to help educate us and taking your own steps. Like, you don't need to be dependent on the system. You don't need to take poisonous pills or injections. You don't need to get sliced open. You just need to learn how to use these natural approaches and take control of your life. And you can really do everything you want to do and have amazing results.

Amazing. All right, well, cool. I will link to all this@bengridfoodlife.com Kaufman K A U FMAN Andrew, you're doing some really helpful things in the health industry. So thank you for what you're doing and keep up the great work, man.

All right, thank you so much for having me on, Ben.

All right, folks, till next time, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Dr. Andy Kaufman signing out from BenGreenfieldLife.com have an amazing week. Just imagine a hotel surrounded by nature, vineyards and gardens. This forest classified as a historical garden in a very special country at a hotel located in the oldest demarcated wine region in the world. Imagine this place has a state of the art spa, 2,200 square meters, 10 treatment rooms, an indoor pool with underwater sound and chromotherapy. Imagine a kitchen team that brings to the table not just delicious food at this place, but values, environmental sustainability and wellness and local sensitivity and global sensibility. Imagine being able to be bathed in luxury and being able to be local, to buy local and to eat local. Not caged off as some fancy tourist, but as a part of the community and part of the terrar of the region. Well, that's exactly what you experience in Portugal at their Six Senses Luxury Retreat. And I'm going to be there for a special event that you can read up on@BenGreenfieldLife.com it's called the Boundless Retreat. And at BenGreenfieldLife.com SixSenses you can see everything we're doing every day starts with a healthy Farmhouse breakfast morning movement session with me. You get access to three different 60 minute spa treatments that you can choose from throughout the day, indoor pool and vitality suites, meditation, sound healing, an alchemy bar with kokedama and yogurts and pickles and sprouts, workshops, retreat meals, all made from locally sources sourced organic produce, Q&As and sing along sessions with me. This is going to be an amazing, remarkable once in a lifetime experience. You get four nights full board accommodation in a deluxe room there at the facility and this thing as you can imagine, is going to fill up fast. It's in Portugal at the Six Senses Retreat in Portugal. Again, all the details are at Ben Greenfield Life and The dates are February 27th through March 3rd, 2023. February 27th through March 3rd see you there. More than ever these days, people like you and me need a fresh, entertaining, well informed and often outside the box approach to discovering the health and happiness and hope that we all crave. So I hope I've been able to do that for you on this episode today. And if you liked it, or if you love what I'm up to, then please leave me a review on your preferred podcast listening channel, wherever that might be, and just find the Ben Greenfield Life episode. Say something nice. Thanks so much. Means a lot.