Ancient Healing Secrets, Tinctures, Salves, Hydrosols & Teas, Permaculture Tips & Much More From A Little-Known Superfood Farm In Hawaii.

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Performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield.

Welcome to the show. Special show today, Special show today for two reasons. First of all, my son Taran is shadowing me at my office today. And you may have heard him in last week's podcast commercials as well. Say hello, Taryn. Hello. So Taryn has been up with me all morning. What'd we do so far? We had tea. Yeah, we had tea. We stretched, jumped on the trampoline, read the bible, did the biocharger, put crazy laser lights on our head, and then we ate the frog. What's that mean? Doing the hard stuff first. We did all the hardest things first. Meaning like the stuff that we needed intense focus for in case we were cognitive fatigue from talking to you guys at the end of the day. The other cool reason that this podcast episode is special is because there is a place that is near dear to my heart, a very special place in Hawaii that involves superfoods and amazing, amazing nutrients coming from the island, the magical island of Kauai. And I happen to get the proprietor of that place on today's show to talk all about what exactly it is for you. So you're going to enjoy that. Well, folks, I first met my guest on today's show, this guy named Doug Wulkon when I was visiting Kauai, which is arguably one of my favorite islands in Hawaii. I like Kona to just because I have so many memories there of racing Ironman and I go there now to bow hunt and love the adventurousness of the big island, but when it comes to just like energy and just this really, really special feeling I get when I visit Hawaii, it's Kauai. Not only do I like Kauai because of that, but also because of the vast array of superfoods and, you know, bigger variety of fruit that I've ever seen in my life, like super tasty fruit, amazing hikes. If you guys are listening and you haven't been to Kauai yet. You have to go. So anyways, a few of my friends live down there. Actually, two people have been on this podcast before, Laird Hamilton and Rick Rubin. They both live down in Kauai, as does my friend James Rodina, who runs a CBD company down there. And so I'm always getting plugged into some of the local hotspots when I'm visiting Kauai. And one day Laird convinced me to go visit this local farm that he really liked called Kauai Organic Pharmacy, spelled with an F. Pharmacy. And I went there and toured it with Laird and was just blown away by this vast array of like 80 different organic healing plants and superfoods and food orchards and like this, this closed loop permaculture, you know, worm compost farm and honeybees and butterflies and medicine making systems like solar dehydrators and herb curing, you know, herb healing teas and tinctures and hydrosols and salves. And it was all on this tiny little plot right down there in Kauai. All kind of like this small hand harvested, artisanally crafted type of products that they were growing right there on the farm. And since that visit, which was like two years ago, if you've been following me on Instagram, you've seen me actually using a lot of stuff from this farm at home. I actually get it shipped up to me at like, there are different powders and tinctures that you might see me using, my recipes, some different salves and hydrosols for my joint health, for my skin health. And so I figured it was high time I actually got dubbed on the show because he has a really fascinating story about how he started this pharmacy that I'm gonna have him tell you so I don't have to spill the beans to you myself, because I'm sure he could do a much better job explaining his story than I can. But what I am gonna do is I'll take a lot of show notes for you guys. If you go to BenGreenFelFitness.com pharmacy, it's with an F BenGreenFelFitness.com Pharmacy, you can get access to the show notes for everything that Doug and I discuss because he just like, this is gonna blow your mind. This guy's knowledge of super and permaculture and just how they're running the whole farm down there. It' sit's super, super cool. And. And Doug also thrives on a high fat, ketogenic, 100% raw food. Diet, which I think some of you guys are gonna be interested in too. So he's got an interesting dietary approach himself and he takes care of himself. Wish you guys could see the video. Doug's in great shape and obviously practices what he preaches. So anyways, Doug, welcome to the show, man.

Yeah, aloha. Thanks for having me, Ben. Appreciate it.

Oh, man. I'm actually stoked we finally made this happen because we've been talking different, you know, blends that you send me for a long time. I actually had your. What was it called? It was in my coffee this morning. Is it cow?

Kalina, Cacao, Olena. Yeah. So cow is, you know what they make chocolate out of. Right. So in most cases, they're just adding a sweetener or sugar. Right. Or what they call sugar. And the olena is the Hawaiian name for turmeric.

Gotcha. That's what the olena means. I've always wondered. Yeah.

Olena is one of the canoe plants that the Hawaiians came here with 12 plants on their canoes. And one of their prized herbs was the oleno or the turmeric.

Yeah, well, actually, the reason I put it in my coffee this morning is just because I knew I was gonna have you on the show. So I thought, you know what? I need to go into today's show, just round it up with some of these phytochemicals. And that one's a really great blend. Cacao, turmeric, ginger. Aren't there a few other things in that one too? Because it just gives me insta energy.

Yeah, just those three. Those three herbs. So the turmeric and the ginger, big roots. And they're going to help with inflammation, they're going to help with metabolism, they're going to help with immune system building. And they're kind of like yin and yang in the. In the root family. Both in the ginger family really help with that lower abdomen region, the roots, root medicine rooting in and kind of addressing that center core region. And then the cacao is hormone balancing antidepressant.

Is that because the cacao is more. More of a fruit?

It is more of a fruit. It's got fats. So from that standpoint, you know, to get those veggie fats fresh is key. And what I mean by, you know, just. Just right from the tree and it really elevates your. Your whole being as far as, you know, your moods and your elevation. So, yeah, I love the cacao. And the magnesium, right? The magnesium is kind of the jewel, the gold of the garden, really. Hard to extract magnesium out of the garden. And cacao is kind of the best way to do it. So sourcing magnesium is, it's kind of when people say they have magnesium in there, you know, you're taking magnesium pills or magnesium tinctures or. It's hard for me to imagine that people can extract magnesium out of the soil. So I prefer the whole, the whole foods over the extractions.

That's interesting. You know, I have heard that dark chocolate is a good source of magnesium. I wasn't sure how much higher it was in like supplemental form but. But you're a fan of cacao for, for like bioavailable magnesium.

Yeah. And what I, what I like about it is, is the bioavailability of it in the whole food. It brings information, you know, it's not just about, you know, the science of it. There's, there's information that that plant is kind of dialing you in on. And it's, it's, it's giving you information. It's like information that might be a little more elusive in some of the extractions. So for example, some of our plants will help with self awareness. Some of our plants will help with willpower, some of them will help with intuition. Right. That's kind of informational supplements, if you will. And when you're doing whole plant medicine, which most of our teas are loose leaf and, and like the cacao Lena is a, is a powder coming one or two weeks right out of the garden, you know, you get that whole plant medicine and that's going to bring the information that you need really, because you can make all the strides in the world physically, but if they're not matching, you know, spiritually or mentally with that, with that physical prowess, then you know, you can't really get too far.

Yeah, yeah. And by the way, when it comes to cacao, and of course we're going to take time and delve into a bunch of your favorite superfoods down there and some of the things people can learn about them in a little bit. But I remember, I think it was Laird that grabbed one of the cacao, what do you call it? A cacao fruit? Would that be the correct name for it?

Cacao pods? They're pods, but yeah, they're fruit.

Yeah. And we cut it open and ate some of these. They're almost like little slimy seeds that are inside. They taste amazing. You feel almost immediately that rush of dopamine and all those pleasure related endorphins that cacao is chock full of in terms of a precursor with a lot of those bromines. The theobromine in cacao is just amazing for that. But it's just, it's very cool to eat that instead of chocolate and just taste all of those precursors that come before the actual chocolate and get that instant energy. And, you know, there's another form of cacao that I'll occasionally chew on. I thinki think it's more from the coca leaf and it's like a powdered cacao. You know, you canyou can understand how people got into cocaine at one time. Cause I think it's a little bit, a little bit related to cacao in terms of thethe pharmacology of it. You know, it's obviously a powerfully addictive stimulant drug, whereas cacao is a little bit more, more mild. But man, just, just getting my hands on that pod and getting a chance to eat some of those seeds was pretty cool. And then I think, haven't you since that time developed like a, like a dried cacao seed that, that you send out, almost like a trail mix?

Yeah, we actually just launched a trail mix. We don't have it on our website right now, but it's, it's small batch here locally, we're making like maybe 20 bags a week, but we're, we're going to launch it on the website soon. It's, it's cacao from the farm and coconut chips, Mac nuts from the Big island from a special source on the Big Island. And then we have these dried bananas to sweeten it. And it's just epic. It's, you know, just a small handful will really give you the kick you need. So. Yeah, I mean, that cacao really elevates the serotonin levels, kind of like a happy hormone type of feeling and, and big iron in that cacao as well. And I remember you sent me that text recently from Laird's with the cacao ginger turmeric honey, which we're getting ready to make really soon heading into winter. That kind of is a crowd favorite. We blend that same cacao Lena recipe into honey because the cacao, it's got that bitter, natural flavor and with that slimy sweetener on the outside. But when we cure it in our dehydrators, it's definitely on the bitter side. So when it hits that honey, it's amazing. And I know thatthat Laird and you guys had a good time.

It's so good. Last time I was at Laird and Gabby's down indown in Malibu, I Think. Well, I had a spoonful of the cacao, ginger, turmeric, honey, but then we also stirred it into some tea and oh my goodness, it was like the best honey ever. It was amazing. I know you have like hundreds of different herbs and products that I know we probably wouldn't have a chance to delve into them all today. But I mean, that honey alone, along with the cacao. Oh my gosh. There's one other. Before I hear your story, since we were talking about energy, my wife occasionally the past few weeks have thought that I was. She thought I was like chewing tobacco because you sent me that like herbal chew. It comes in a tin almost like tobacco, and you put it underneath your lips and you know, when I was down there visiting the farm, you showed me this thing called the toothache plant. And I liked it so much. These little berries that just like give you this buzz in your mouth. It's like a party in your mouth. I actually went home and got grow lights and figured out how to grow that in my home. And I would make coconut oil pulling out of and chew on them before or after meal for saliva production. But it gives you a lot of energy too. And you actually put that same stuff into this. What's it called? It's like an herbal chew.

Yeah. So our buzz chew.

Buzz chew. Yeah.

Yeah. And the buzz chew is created around the spilantes, or the toothache plant, so that splantes is a flower that it's called the electric daisy. And it's just a. Yeah, it's a party in your mouth and really helps with. With any kind of aches, but also cleansing kind of the anti everything oral care medicine for circulation as well. But also internally, if you have a cold or want some immune boosting, pick me up really healthy. And then we've wrapped kind of two strategies around the spilantes, which has a hard time getting to market because it is such a unique kind of experience. So the two strategies around the splantes is one, high, high iron through moringa and belly spinach, and then epic flavors through some, some mint and stevia and tarragon. And when you kind of bring all those into it into a chew form. And what I find with the chew, you know, and all these. Same with the cacao, ginger, turmeric honey. You know, the idea with, I think where, where the world's headed is kind of elevate their, their diets with kind of less but more potent food. So we're not, you know, eating all the time or focused on it all the time, maybe, maybe higher. You know, pure water, more high frequency water, better rest and then, and then the. Yeah. The quality of our, of our food and what we put in our bodies is, is so high frequency that we just really don't need a lot. And it's more about balance than it is about trying to get all these calories.

Yeah, it's such a good point. I mean, once you dress stuff up with ample nutrient density and what I do is I take a lot of your powders. Probably the two top things that I have in my pantry are yours. And do you know Dr. Thomas Cowan? You ever heard of him?

Yes, I have actually. Through you.

Yeah, I use Dr. Thomas Cowan's vegetable powders and then all of your blends. And I just sprinkle that stuff liberally in coffees, in teas, on top of my lunches, mix it into my smoothies, put it into dinner. I've even used this stuff in cocktails. And it's crazy. When you get the amount of nutrient density from a lot of these super nutrient dense plants, you're less hungry, which is pretty cool. I mean, it's a, it's ait's a calorie hack or a fasting hack as well. But that buzz chew is pretty cool because you literally do just like duck it under in your mouth, just like chew. Except you kind of have that guilt free peace of mind that it's not actually tobacco or rotten out your mouth. But yeah, I mean, the mint, the spinach, the moringa, that toothache plant, I mean it' sit just makes your mouth feel fresh and clean, but you feel that energy hitting your system right away.

The key is lifestyle, right? Because I mean, what, what they've done is they've, you know, they got the golden arches around every corner and the gas stations and all this stuff around every corner. So if we can integrate these items around a new lifestyle where there's chews and there's things to keep you, you know, satisfied and keep your, keep you going. And you know, spices, we have a curry powder with kefir lime, ginger, turmeric. I mean, ginger turmeric, you know, 50% of the world is, it puts ginger turmeric almost on every meal. All of Asia, basically. And to think that that's not in our day to day diet. Ginger and turmeric in the western world. I mean, that's one of the big reasons why inflammation is such an issue because we don't have ginger and turmeric in our diets every day. And then the access to such high iron like moringa and belly spinach. That's very convenient. So whether it's in a chew or a spice powder, or drinking tea, getting them around every corner, having nice tea in your fridge along with water, being able to put some high frequency powder in your smoothies and on your foods again with a chew and some sprays and salves, we got all kinds of salves here. That's really where you're going to really dial in your ability to connect with, with the earth, your ability to connect with the universe and your relationships and those plants will really help you diversify your diet and call in alkalinity.

Yeah, I dig it. Okay, so there's so many superfoods I want to ask you about, and I want to ask you a little bit more about the farm too. But you weren't always like a super duper healthy guy, from what I understand. I recall you telling me a story about how you kind of founded the farm and this wasn't really your way of life before. So can you get into that and explain how this farm actually came to be? Because I think it's a fascinating story that people would really love to hear.

Yes. So I was a high school athlete, basketball player, and graduated Michigan and then headed over to the world of finance for almost 10 years. Chicago, Manhattan, Connecticut. I was in private equity, real estate as a partner there. And I left that world when I was 31 ish. Not really sure what I was going to do. I was 30 plus pounds heavier than I am right now. You know, steak dinners, tons of wine, lots of travel, lots of mashed potatoes. Sounds familiar. Yeah, and late nights and early breakfast meetings and lots of cell phone work. It was kind of slowly but surely a couple pounds a year. You know, it didn't happen all at once, but I was gaining a couple pounds a year and it was getting away from me. And all of a sudden my neck and my waist couldn't really turn it so well and move it so well. And you know, 20 minutes lapse at the Four Seasons don't really cut it, you know, one day a week. So anyway, when I left, I left sort of because a lot of it had to do with my health. Kind of looking at the guys, that's the path I want to take. It looks like that's where I'm going and there's no way out. So I kind of left not knowing what I was going to do. And then. And my wife, she had already left her industrial design career in New York City, so she was more in an entrepreneurial way. And we had our first child soon thereafter, traveled a little bit, you know, saw the way the other, you know, the eastern world lives in India and Asia. That helped a lot open our minds. And then once we had our baby, we kind of honestly turned our back on western medicine. At that point we, we just felt there was more to being able to self care and self heal. And at the beginning, I mean looking back now, I kind of look at it and I was definitely a lot of anger and kind of how our birth went down and the times immediate thereafter. But looking back now, I kind of look at it like we needed to take responsibility for our own health. That's really what it's about. And growing up in the school systems, there's very little health education and wellness education of what it all means. And so I didn't have it, I didn't have the education and we didn't have the education on birth and we didn't have the education on how to heal. So we, four months after our child was born, took off to Hawaii and unbeknownst to us, kind of settled in on a healing journey and started, you know, doing all the things that you would do when you get to Hawaii, living the life. Right. Surfing and was that Kauai that you were on? That was Kawhi. Yeah. I mean we, we didn't have a huge plan, we didn't know how long we were going to stay and I had some flexibility work wise. I was still kind of in between lifestyles for, to say the least, having, you know, all kinds of identity crisis when I first got here. You can imagine, you know, trying to let go of that finance lifestyle was not easy and it was, you know, having extra weight on me and it's painful, you know, like grabbing a surfboard and just walking out and having a bad back all the time and not knowing how to eat, bad neck, all that stuff. I wasn't, I wasn't 18 anymore, so just trying to find my body. My child was, you know, next, he's one year, two years old and he's just starting to run circles around me. I'm sure, you know, a lot of, you know what I mean, it's hard to keep up with the kids. So I felt like a responsibility in that regard. And also my wife and I really wanted to take back our, you know, our power as far as learn and learn how to have children, learn how to heal ourselves, learn how to educate our children. So slowly but surely we started playing with the plants and noni Leaf was the first one. I started sticking the noni leaves in my belt buckles, feeling the inflammation. We started drinking noni leaf tea, and before we know it, we are wild, harvesting noni leaves all over the island. There's so much this island has to offer, and the truth is there's so much, you know, the planet has to offer as far as plant medicine. It's all around us.

But Kauai seems to have like a. Like a disproportionately high amount of diversity. Is there a reason for that?

So the Garden island, wettest place on Earth, 3,000 miles from anywhere. Yeah, it's the place to be. I mean, our plant medicine, we're closed loop. We do a great job with the organic nature of what we do and how we feed our plants and how we care for them. But I'd be kind of ignorant to not first put Kauai up there as the main reason that our plant medicine is what it is. We got here and it was like this amazing ecosystem. The oldest island of all the Hawaiian islands has got so much mana, so much life force, so much spiritual integrity and grounding and foundation. It's mind blowing. I mean, every day it's humbling and just teaching us all about what it means to be of service to your family, to yourself, to mankind, if you will, and trying to, you know, do this, do this business, do this venture in the context of the greater good, which is what we need, right? We need plant medicine everywhere. We need plant medicine around every corner. We need plant medicine in the hospitals, we need plant medicine, we need tea farms, we need tea lanais or tea houses, and we need places where you can get your turmeric shots. Right, Enough with the. I mean, I don't want to get into the discussions of, of what we can do to defend ourselves. Let's build our immune systems like the mentality of our whole. People with strong immune systems understand this, which is, I can't think in terms of defense. I can only think in terms of building my immune system, which I guess is somewhat defensive, but it's a balanced approach. It's not going at the viruses or whatever might be out there and actually even thinking about them, you're not even giving them that type of identity because it can defeat you by doing that. So what you're really trying to do is build and build and build that immune system. And in that diversity, what you mentioned, that biodiversity of the plant medicine on Kauai, the potency of that plant medicine really kind of ignited me and my family. It was to engage in our intuition. I mean, Ben, you're. When I see you play music, when I see you do what you do, you seem to be very comfortable in your. In your body and with yourself. And that's a. That's inspiring, dude. That's awesome. And I think, you know, for me, I lost that in my 20s. I lost that. That ability to tap into my intuition. And why? Because there are all these blockages right between my. My head and my. And my sacral.

Yeah.

So many blockages that I couldn't connect. So. And that's what we're. I mean, if we were all able to connect and free ourselves of those blockages and those pains, then I think we'd see, you know, so much of this disease be just gone.

Yeah. Actually, I want to ask you a little bit about the pains and things like that, because I know that you had, you know, you had all these low back issues, and you were touching on how noni was one of the first superfoods that you used. And I've looked into noni a little bit because I'm intrigued by it. And there's this alkaloid in it called zeronine. And when I looked at it, you know, I've talked about protein misfolding and how it's one of the key contributors to aging and cellular degeneration before on this show, you know, this aggregation of misfolded proteins. And if you look at xeronine, it actually modifies the molecular structure, these inactive proteins, by acting almost like enzymatically to restore proper folding to the protein, which is really interesting because, you know, from what I understand, you actually used it specifically to heal your low back issues. Is that corre.

Yes, it is. And I mean, the noni plant is so powerful.

Yeah. Tell me about what else you do with it. Like, what have you found with it? And what kind of things do you make out of noni?

So we have it in our salves. So our beeswax and coconut oil. It's a main ingredient in our salves. We have a noni hydrosol, and then it's in our teas. And it's also.

What's a hydrosol?

Hydrosol is a steam distillation. It's the steam just. So we put all the plant material in a pot, and we steam it and then cool it, and we get the vapor into liquefied form. There's both the spirit water of the plant and then the oil of the plant. And that's actually how they create essential oils.

And you would spray that on the skin. The hydrosol.

You spray it? Yeah. You spray it on your skin? I spray it on my skin. But I also, like, every night before I go to sleep, I brush my teeth with the noni hydrosol and I swish my mouth with it and I use it for my gums. You know, the lack of mouth medicine that's out there, the concept of toothpaste is sort of ridiculous to me. So I'm seeking every day to find something that will benefit my gums and my teeth and strengthen my teeth. Right. Because decaying of teeth is an issue that all, you know, every human faces at some point in their life. And how do we. How do we strengthen our teeth? I've started to stick comfrey up in my mouth, actually, a little bit. Even though we're not really supposed to suggest putting comfrey root internally.

Yeah, Comfrey is another one. I want to eventually ask you about comfrey, but I don't want to leave noni yet just because I find it so fascinating. You guys grow a lot of it down there, don't you?

Yeah, and it grows wild all over the island. We have lots of plants on our farm. It's one of those plants you can grow as wild and it'll hold its space. So from a permaculture standpoint, it can really. It's easy to grow and it holds. You don't have to feed it much and you don't have to worry about it. Yeah. The xerone that you mentioned, you know, being tumor preventative, addressing free radicals that may be cancer causing ursolic acid being super anti inflammatory in that noni plant. And specifically we use the leaf. So when you say some of that kind of stagnant protein that you mentioned, I mean, when have this conversation about. And we've had it here, you know, what is, what is a tumor made of? And the tumor is theoretically it's acidic toxins. Right?

You mean like a cancer tumor?

Yeah, a cancer tumor. What is that? And it's acidic toxins, calcified matter. It's a blockage. I mean, all these words that you're definitely more adversed in the science of what's in it. But the ugliest stuff that never was supposed to enter your body in the first place. And here it is kind of the body is doing its best to aggregate it Right. In some way out of a defensive mode. And that's what creates the tumor. And so what the noni does and all the plant medicine does. But the noni is particularly potent. And I would put Turmeric and comfrey, which we've mentioned all those as also very potent. It chips away the alkalinity of the noni, the zyranine of the noni. It's. You know, they're. They're. By their polar opposites of the toxicity. You know, it's like it's a pristine river attracting beautiful birds versus a toxic dump, you know, creating, you know, smoke and air pollution. Yeah, you know, it's. It's. It's the same concept. So when you. When you stick that noni. And again, a lot of those tumors, they've been built up over 30, 40, 50 years of time. And so to chip away at them, you know, the plant medicine, the teas, the superfoods, sprinkling them on and drinking a tea cup or two or three a day, that's gonna allow you. That's what you really need to do, because that's how it was grown in the first place. It was grown over time. Right. For me, I mean, my parents fed me well, and I Very grateful for their cooking abilities and everything they did for me, but, man, I ate way too much Wonder Bread growing up. And cereals and packaged sugars, and they're worse now.

Yeah, I grew up on that stuff myself.

And they're in the body. They're in the body. They're left in the body. And so to chip away at that stuff, that's what the noni allows you to do. And then at the same time, it's created circulation. Right. It's moving the blood. Like, a lot of times, I'll tell people, don't take the noni at night. It doesn't have caffeine, but it gets you pretty. That circulation is like nothing else. And inevitably, you know, when you. There's a detox effect. You know, the goal is to create a balance of. Of your lifestyle when you're using these products and you're using these plants so that you don't have too much of a detox, and you can, you know, kind of understand how much to take. And there's a nice balance of being able to add nourishment as well as detoxing, you know, gently.

So you use this noni leaf, and that was one of the first things that you grew there, if I'm not mistaken. But you guys have this whole. I want to hear more about how you've actually put the farm together. And then I have some of this. Some of the more specific superfoods I'm actually intrigued with. I want to ask you about. But you've got this closed loop vermiculture feeding system. You've got these solar dehydrators, you know, all these different kind of like herb curing facilities, you know, but it's a very small plot. How many acres are you on?

It's four acres and we're only four. Gardening. Farming, Harvesting. Out of say, a little over two.

Yeah, I mean, it's small. We walked it in like, you know, a half hour and saw everything. But I'm curious, can, can you get into how you guys are actually growing so much on like this 4 acre tropical herbal oasis? Like, what, what are some of the top techniques that you would say that you really got into in terms of putting together a scenario where you could actually grow this, this vast array of superfoods?

You know, I'll first say that it's, you know, we've learned so much and, and we have so much to learn. Gardening, permaculture, it's kind of the, it's definitely a new age. Hopefully the young, the young people really move towards this way of life because we need them to. Because this is, I mean, it's never ending knowledge and it, you know, far surpass, you know, the next level scientists because, you know, you can never master this, you know, the gardening techniques. So permaculture, regenerative agriculture, really back, you know, backyard gardening, you know, it's, it's meticulous. It's, it's. The biodiversity is the key. That's. That was really, you know, our implementation that we wanted to see. We wanted to mimic the, the jungle vibes here. So layering ground covers to knee high shrubs, to hip high to, you know, head high, things like noni, keeping them shorter to tree cover, or canopies like papayas and pigeon peas, you know, really maximizing your density, having a system in place that is closed loop. But really we're feeding our gardens only what we grow. So we're feeding them belly spinach. We're collecting our grass cuttings on a bi weekly basis to feed our vermiculture program, which is our worms. So our worms are getting.

Yeah. By the way, I was gonna, I was gonna mention that vermiculture, for those of you unfamiliar with that, that's like worm compost.

Yeah. So it's, you know, it's kind of the old school, you know, I mean, there's nothing new about it and we have a lot to learn with regards to it. So we have our worm farm, but then we also our worm nursery, but then we also have worm bins in the garden. So we're putting our compost, our excess spinach leaves, our taro leaves, any other, and our grass clippings are gold. The worms are breaking that down and making it into kind of worm poop, which is in our opinion, the healthiest manure we can create. And it comes from the farm and it's tight, it's clean, it's neat, and it's light. Right. Because we want, just like we want our medicine to be light, we want our manure to be light. We don't want a lot of smells, we want it clean. So we also make a comfrey tea to feed into the garden. So we take the comfrey leaves that we grow both as medicine. So the comfrey being the bone, tendon, ligament medicine, we also use it as a weed suppressant, the comfrey. But we grow comfrey to create a comfrey tea and then we also feed that back into the garden. So twice a week we actually feed our gardens a compost tea that's aerated overnight the prior night. And we hand feed it. So it's this again, it's high labor intensive. We hand feed everything and hand harvest, hand cull, handcraft. And you know, people say, oh, isn't that labor intensive? And it's like, well, I mean, I think that's what America needs more than anything. Right? We need labor intensive occupations.

Yeah, I mean, I haven't told you like, like one of the things we really want to do and we're still going to make this happen is, you know, I took my boys down to visit your farm and they absolutely loved it. You know, they're super into nature. I raise little hippies up here in Washington and we want to bring him down there because our family loves Kauai anyways and we want to live in Kauai for a few weeks and have the boys just work there on the farm and, and learn a lot of these, these superfoods that you're making down there. Because it's just amazing. Not only that, but the way that you're actually farming with this closed loop worm compost farm and then the honeybees and the butterflies and the other pollinators. And by the way, you mentioned water as well. You guys do anything special with water in terms of structuring your water or recycling the water somehow or are you doing anything special with the water?

Well, I mean, for our, for our gardens we get tons of rain, so we really don't have any irrigation system at all. And in fact, water can be a challenge. So we basically trench, we've trenched the entire farm. It feeds into a stream that surrounds it. So we don't want the plants sitting in water, we don't want the roots sitting in water. We use a catchment system for our compost teas overnight. So we have 50 gallon stainless steel drums, three of them actually, all over the farm catching the water. And then we'll mix the worm compostings in, we'll mix the comfrey teas in and then wherever else we want to find. We recently mixed the star fruit juice into it to feed back into the gardens. But that, you know, that pure catchment water coming right from the sky is what we want. But just on the health and wellness side, you know, we've kind of found, we've gone down the road on, you know, what's the best water. And there's all kinds of discussion. And I was heavy into the alkaline system and the all kinds of purifiers and I, you know, I think there's all kinds of benefits of all of them. And I'm stoked for whatever anyone's doing. For me, what I was led to was just spring water and I started to access local spring water that was delivered. And then now I go and hike to get my spring water up at a pretty mystical place on the island. And we just take out, my boy takes out a five gallon jug and I take out about eight gallons of Kauai spring water out of this one spot. It's like a 20 minute hike up and down and it's an epic spot. And just the freshness of your water, I think people underestimate, just like your food, you want that water coming right out of the, right out of nature. You want it moving, you want it alive and, and you want it touching, having touched the minerals, you know, recently, the more it sits, the longer it sits. So anyway, I mean, you gotta do the best you can. Don't freak out about it, you know, you just keep upgrading and keep up, up leveling your, your, your nutrition and your, and your health.

Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, I mean, obvious, obviously we, we could talk permaculture and vermiculture and farming forever, but I want to get into a few super intriguing things. When we were there, you dug up this root, which you already alluded to, the comfrey and you told me it was called knit bone and also warrior plant because not only does it look like all these little bones and knuckles and joints when you dig up the root, but then if you turn it into a salve or almost like a mud, like Topical that you can wrap around a joint. It is one of the best things I have ever used. I mean, you guys sent me the salve, but you also sent me the powder, and I turned that into a full on. What do you call it? A. What's the word I'm looking for, Doug? When you blend something up and get it wet and wrap it around a joint, it's not a salve, it's like a poultice. Right?

Poultice. You got it? I couldn't think of it.

Yeah, a poultice. And I know that comfrey has that allantoin in it, which kind of acts similarly to that compound in noni in terms of repairing misfolded proteins. But this comfrey, it's absolutely amazing in terms of how quickly it can actually heal up joints, and I find it fascinating. And so is the top way you would say to use that would be to actually apply the salve. Or do you have other ways you like to use comfrey?

So, yeah, the salve is the most convenient, I find, with all the. Anything you do in the regenerative lifestyle, the restorative lifestyle, it's all about consistency, right? So getting that comfrey in you inevitably makes your ligaments, tendons, and bones more supple. And that's what we're seeking, right? Suppleness in our joints. We want to be like a baby, right? So if we fall from the sky, we bounce. And that's what the comfrey does. I mean, if you saw what raw comfrey looked like, it's very nimble and it's very supple. And so we cure it, and then we infuse it into our salve and we make a comfrey salve. That's kind of probably our best seller.

How do you make the salve? Like, how do you get from the root to the salve? I'm just curious.

We harvest the root and we put it in our oil. We infuse it into oil overnight. Actually, two to three days is the length of the infusion. It's a very slow, low heat infusion into a coconut oil. And we also add the leaf, because, again, in dealing. Same with the noni. The noni has a fruit and a leaf, the comfrey. The root is infinitely more potent than the leaf, but the leaf has qualities that the root doesn't. Again, we're trying to get that allantoin out that. That allantoin. The root goes. You know, they say, I haven't. I haven't dug it myself, but they say it. It goes 6, 8, 10ft into the ground. So a plant that only comes out 2ft, 3ft high goes 8ft deep. It's grabbing vitamins and minerals that you cannot access otherwise. So that allantoin is really the bone, ligament, tendon healer that creates those regenerative compounds. So we infuse that those compounds into the coconut oil, and then we add a local Kauai beeswax, which is also we get from all the beekeepers here in Kauai, which are just unbelievable. It's an unbelievable medicine beeswax. And I can't tell you, sometimes when I'm rubbing that comfrey salve on my feet, I do it on my heels every night. But also massage. It's great partner massage. It's great massage for elbows, shoulders, knees. You know, people don't appreciate, like, whether it's after a workout or after a run, you know, okay, now what's. What's the restorative? What's the regenerative treatment? You know, how do you tell your body, thank you? How do you tell your body, you know, I appreciate what you've done? And yeah, a glass of water is key. But then also lubricating. You know, as we get older, we need to lubricate our joints on a consistent basis. And also our heels, our feet. I mean, you know, 50 years of walking on our heels, 40 years of.

Walking, I get super dry heels. And what I do is I put that comfrey salve on, on in the morning, and then I pull socks on over that and just wear the socks as long as possible, then do that again at night. Because both my dad and mom struggle with really bad cracked heels in the winter. And in the past two years since I started dealing with your comfrey salve, like, it's very rare that my heels actually crack, like, painfully wide open like they used to.

You got to care for those heels for sure. I mean, that's like one of the first signs of what's coming ahead. If your heels go. And I've had them come and go where I've had cracked heels too. And it's not something you want. It's not a good sign of what's to come. So be definitely in tune with that. And if, if you do have crack heels, you should address it for sure. Alignment of. Of your sacral is off too. When you're kind of as also says you're dragging your heels a little bit with, with some things from. On a. On a spiritual level. But in any case, so the, the root, the way it works and the plant. What I find, because I've had some, you know, I broke my clavicle, I broke my nose playing basketball. And I'll come back and I'll just grab that. That comfrey root, dig it right up, and just go all in. Because I'm not walking around with a broken clavicle. I got too much stuff to do. So. So what I'll do is I'll make that poultice on my clavicle or on my nose. And what I find that it does more than anything. And again, when you're healing, time is of the essence. You know, people say, oh, herbal medicine doesn't work. Well, you stop talking about it and just do it. You know, do it yesterday. As soon as you get that cut, you know, you got to put that stuff on right away. Seconds matter, minutes matter, days matter. So that's key. But with the same with the, you know, the breaks and the. And the sprains and the pulls, you got to address that. You got to get the rest. The comfrey, what I find that it does, in short, is it calms the breath. You know, getting that oxygen to the body, getting that breath. I mean, a lot of what happens is you get that that quick, kind of you lose your oxygen. And that's what allows the acids to kind of create the inflammation. So if you say, break a wrist, the acids are going to kind of make hay in that wrist, and they're going to. All your, you know, all that wonder bread from when you were a kid is just going to kind of charge the wrist because it's a weak spot, it's got no oxygen. So the inflammation kind of starts to creep in. And once that inflammation creeps in, there's nothing you can do about it. So the comfrey comes in and it chips away at it. It breaks it up, it adds that oxygen, oxygen rich, nutrient dense root to the zone, starts to break it up. Also calls in the water. So inevitably, you're chugging water, you're drinking water, because why does something crack? It's lack of suppleness. It's dry. That's why things crack, whether it's your heels or your bones, right? So they crack or they break because it's dry or they're brittle. So you're trying to create that suppleness. And the suppleness is what, you know, the comfrey brings. And so now you're drinking, you know, gallons of water. Literally. I mean, for the sake of my clavicle, I put so much comfrey in, and then I drank, you know, three gallons of water and it lied me straight on my back. So restoration, right? People don't want to lie down. Oh, I got my, you know, arm in a cast and. And I'll just use it like this. And it's like, no, that's not how you're gonna heal. So kind of three things it does specifically on top of what all the herbs do is circulate. But the three things that I find the comfrey does is it helps calm the breath, it helps bring nutrient dense allantoin to heal and nourish the zone. It helps hydrate, and it helps with restoration.

Okay, got it. So comfrey is one. Noni, we discussed, we talked in the beginning about the cacao, which I just absolutely love, and also the toothache berry. You also sent me some of the ashwagandha. And ashwagandha is particularly well known for its reported libido effect. But I haven't noticed much from most of the ashwagandhas I've tried. And you sent me an ashwagandha from the farm that literally turned me into a sex animal. The best way I can describe it, the day that I took it, and noticeable libido effect. I'm curious, was that like a certain varietal of ashwagandha or. Or is there something special about the way you're growing the ashwagandha? Or what's up with the ashwagandha that you're producing there at the pharmacy? Because it's like something hit me in a really big way when I took it. I should clarify, by the way, what I took. It wasn't just the ashwagandha. You sent me this. You call it the endurance powder. And I think it had moringa in there. I think it had some of that belay spinach in there. And there were other things in there too, like tulsi and ginger. It was a pretty big blend, but I know ashwagandha was one of the primary ingredients. You also sent me a tincture. I don't remember if I stacked the two or what, but the ashwagandha is really interesting. What are you doing with the ashwagandha?

So the ashwagandha is in the Endurance and it's in the love potion.

Maybe it was the love potion I tried. Was that like the tincture?

No. And then I also sent you just straight up root, which we don't have on the website. I sent you some kind of back stock. Straight up root.

Might have been that.

So that's going to Be more potent. But yeah, so what you find, what you discovered in that experience was kind of the, you know, getting it from the source and small farming and Kauai grown. And I mean, you know, we've touched on a lot of the aspects and it's kind of what made me come to this farm was I was like, wow, if I just drink this tea or if I just chew on this root, I can feel like this. And there was not at that point, there was nothing stopping me from, and my wife and my family from kind of moving in this direction because the, the efficacy was so profound. And I had, you know, I had bought the $300 ginseng tinctures and I had bought the. I had gone down the road. You know, I wanted to get my health back. I was on the journey. And I'm also very appreciative and grateful of all that, all that plant medicine and all those supplements as well, because they allowed me to find this place. Right. They got my sniffer kind of attuned to, to the next level. But when I got to Kauai and I realized what Kauai grown turmeric, or in your case, the case like ashwagandha, it says libido boosting. And you could take, you know, lots of pills of ashwagandha or tinctures that you get in the pharmacy, that you get at a local pharmacy, and it's gonna be okay. But what we have is kind of really dialing into the. What ashwagandha is really about. And I can tell you it's a curious one. I mean, some of these plants I can speak of humbly because you said you turn yourself into a sex animal and it's like, like, yeah, watch out. So, yeah, you got to be. The goal of all of this is to use these superpowers in a humble nature.

Yeah. Well, ashwagandha would also be considered an adaptogen, meaning if you are kind of over hyped up and your ki is flowing too strongly, so to speak, from an eastern medicine standpoint, it would kind of settle you down. But in terms of supporting particularly the nervous and the reproductive system, for me, from a sexual standpoint, it's amazing. And my wife really likes that one too. I think we tried everything you sent the root, the love potion, which is a tea, and then the tincture, and then that endurance powder. It's really great pre workout as well. But yeah, it's just something's different about the ashwagandha that you're using. And one of them, like the endurance formula. And I think another form of the ashwagandha that you sent down to me was blended with moringa. And that's very interesting because a lot of people, they're talking about these broccoli sprouts now as like a isothiocyanate compound that would increase your levels of sulforaphane, which is arguably a super powerful cancer fighting type of compound you would find in broccoli. Broccoli sprouts, cruciferous vegetables, et cetera. But moringa is actually really high in that as well. My friend, Dr. Rhonda Patrick recently did a podcast about moringa being as effective as broccoli sprouts for the sulforaphane particularly. But I'm curious if there's a reason that you wound up blending that with the ashwagandha, why you chose moringa and ashwagandha as a combination.

You know, the nourishment, right. So we're really trying to ground out that, you know, that libido boost when we bring in the nourishment of that moringa, all nine essential amino acids, you know, that the body doesn't make super nutrient dense, they give it to, you know, breastfeeding mamas all throughout Asia and Africa. It's one of the most highly consumed, iron rich plants in the world. So you understand what we grow. We grow plants that are, you know, permaculture based. So easy to grow in our systems. So like, if we tried to grow broccoli for us, that's very unsustainable. I have no problem, you know, broccoli, I love broccoli and it's really good for you. But we could never deliver it cost effectively. It doesn't have the same kind of production that a plant like moringa would. And when you look at our systems and you look at something like ashwagandha, it's intermersed with the moringa. So when you get moringa out of the store, you get ashwagandha. You know, you asked why our ashwagandha is different. And ashwagandha is being grown in India in rows and thousands of acres of monocropped and I can almost guarantee some kind of chemical fertilized stuff. And what it does is it sucks the nutrients out of the ground. So like in the case, say, cacao, right? One of the biggest industries in the world, produce industries in the world. There's no magnesium left on the ivory coast, right? 90% of the world's cacao comes from Ivory Coast. It's been happening for 30 years. Like they're not feeding that coast with magnesium. Right. It's too expensive. That's what we're trying to get. The kings of Europe in the 1800s, they were going after that magnesium. That was the happiness, that was the serotonin high. So the biodiversity that we create here is what creates a sustainability in the soil. And they talk about it comes all the way back to the soil. Well, it does. I mean, you are what your soil eats. You are, your soil is, you know, at the end of the day, what those supplements, what the teas, what your ashwagandha, what your moringa is going to feed you. So for us, creating diversity, canopies, ground covers, jungle like environments to create our Kauai grown medicinal superfoods and spices. That's what allows them to kind of hit a higher level. The moringa in particular is very efficient molecule. It's, it's ultra efficient. So, yeah, more moringa the better. And just again, the source is key. You know, there's all kinds of moringa out there. And now they're doing, you know, moringa plantations. But when you think about those nine essential amino acids, if it's just moringa plantations, they're just stripping the soil of those nine amino acids. They're not filling them back in. It would be, it, you know, input, output, it doesn't work. They're just outputting, outputting, outputting. I'm constantly, constantly closed looping this thing. And again, not to say that my system is perfect by any stretch. We got a lot of work to do. And every day I'm humbled and questioning my own ways. But at the same time, that biodiversity is what we need to come back to.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I want to ask you about one other one before I dig into this high fat plant based keto diet that you're following, because I'm curious what that actually looks like. I find that intriguing. But the turmeric, when Laird and I were there, he gave me some of the turmeric and literally we just were chewing on it like a, like a carrot, you know, and it just tasted different. It was kind of like a, like a sweet, really, really smooth flavor. And you know, most turmeric just tastes kind of bitter to me. Do you guys grow a particular style of turmeric down there or is it about the way that you grow it or what are you doing with the turmeric?

The turmeric, I mean, Kauai grows the world's finest turmeric. We really do our soil, both ginger and turmeric, I mean you can get your stuff from other places but our soil is, is epic and ideal.

Do you think that's what it is? It's the soil?

I, I do believe a soil is a big piece of it. You know all the farmers on Kauai, I mean I, I love the turmeric here and, and it is, it's. You can eat it right out of the ground and it tastes kind of, you know, a little bit more medicinal than a carrot. But it is edible and nourishing and really work. You know, you feel that inside out circulation from, from everybody, every bite. So what are we doing? Turmeric's in almost every one of our teas. It's almost every one of our superfoods. It's in our salves. It should be in your daily diet. So get it in. Yeah, I highly recommend it. It's a root. So we have a zone on the farm. We've pulled it out of more of a biodynamic zone and we've kind of clustered it because it does kind of play, you know, makes a mess when we're digging it out. But yeah, that curcumin is really going to help help with the anti inflammatory. Any issues with inflammation?

Well, there's the curcumin also the tumorosaccharides is kind of the water soluble component that I think is just as good as the curcumin for joint support. A lot of people don't know about that component. But yeah, the research behind turmeric and I'll link to a lot of it. I mean it's just fascinating in terms of anti carcinogenic effect and oral health and the effects on the pulmonary and the immune system. I mean I'll link if you go to BenGreenvilleFitness.com pharmacy on turmeric. But you can literally, you can eat it like carrots then. I know you guys have all, I mean like half your powders, it seems like they have turmeric in them. But that one, particularly if people haven't really experienced turmeric, getting some from your farm is a whole, whole different experience. So that's another one I'd throw in there. Like if people were kind of like making a wish list, I would say definitely get ashwagandha, moringa, cacao and turmeric. And noni would say those are the top five in terms of the ones that I've tried. Even though I know you have all sorts of blends but those are some of the ones I really like. And you guys ship this Stuff everywhere, by the way, don't you, Doug?

Yes. We ship all over the world and it's kind of same day shipping, unless there's a big sale. It might take us a few days to get it out. But everything's off the farm too. We're shipping it. You know, all our packaging is done on the farm, so it's really only touching. You know, there's only a. It goes right from the garden to the, to the crafting where there's, you know, a couple of people in the tea house dehydrating and then right to the packaging room. So it's days or weeks and it's not a lot of people in between. Just one more thing. On the turmeric, we do a juice as well and we do it topically so we can find. When you juice the turmeric, you can use it topically as well. We have it in our salves. It also has a great way, if we have an earache, I'll drain the back of the air. I won't even put the turmeric down the air. I'll put it in the back of the air, like by the neck area and kind of drain the zone of any inflammation. So, yeah, turmeric's just again, it should be in everyone's diet as a powder, golden milk tincture, you name it, it should be in your diet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, speaking of diet, tell me about this high fat plant based keto diet that you follow. I'm curious because a lot of people follow plant based diets. Incredibly high in carbohydrates and they see a lot of glycemic variability, which I think is one of the failures of that diet. You know, lots of wheat, lots of sugar. You know, you don't, you don't see a lot of keto plant based diets. But I'm just curious for people who are interested, you know, what's that look like for you in terms of like your meals and if you're working in any of these particular powders or teas or superfoods from your farm, could you walk us through like kind of what a day in your life of eating would look like or even a few of your favorite recipes or something like that?

Sure. I mean, I gotta first to admit, it's always evolving and I'm always being humbled by my diet. Right. You know, some days you think you scored and know it all and the next day you're falling down. So in any case, at the moment, you know, I'm shifting that, that high Fat to the evening I do find. So my fats. Right. So it's a lot easier to do on an island like this for sure. My access to the really clean, fresh fats is different than other people. So I grateful about that.

Oh yeah, I would imagine like macadamia nuts and avocado and those, you know, the fat from the cacao. You've got access to a lot down there.

Yeah. And that's different than some of the nuts you get out there that might not, you know, that might trigger something else. I'm not, I'm not going to throw down, you know, handfuls of pecans. I'm just not going to do it. But at the same time, if I live somewhere else that I just don't want you to take what I'm saying and kind of say it's the same thing anywhere else. So for me, coconuts, cacao, Mac nuts, avocados, those fats are key. I'm really focused on fruits and greens during the day. You know, the dark greens. For me, the darker and more abundant greens I can get in my system, the better the juicing. I'm not always as diligent and disciplined as I would like to be as far as getting those greens in. But things like the moringa and the katuk and spinach like those are going to and raw when it's alive, the body again is gonna react really well to that. For me, I'm all about endurance. I need morning till day with the kids on the farm. I do have bursts of energy that I need to also be able to do, but I'm mostly about endurance. I need longevity like diet. And I think if I were to place my opinion on diets, I think moving into longevity and kind of reframing our focus of kind of present health in terms of longevity. When we're in our 50s and 60s, in our 70s and our 80s, what's our vibrancy going to be like? And I find that keeping clean and light is going to allow my to stay supple and stay flexible. That balance between strength and flexibility is key. High iron plants, again, it's not easy to find, this isn't easy to process. And big fruits, but not too much now. Before I was doing high fats all day and it wasn't even too long ago and I was realizing that those fats were laying me out. I was getting tired with the fats so I put them at night and they allowed me to sleep better. And now I'm just trying at least just to do my fats in the evening and just really just doing fruits and greens. So a typical day for me or I mean a typical or an ideal. I mean those are two kind of different depends. But in the morning, you know, like this morning I just had some orange juice, actually a big couple of tall glasses of spring water and some fresh squeezed orange juice is all I've had today, you know, so far today. And I've done some yoga and some, and some pull ups and stuff like push ups and you know, light workout, flexible workout. And it's, it's early here. Right. So it's still only 10ish or 1030 throughout the day. Ideally a green drink. So a green juice with some cucumbers and if there's other celery and chard and dark greens like moringa, if I can get a hold of something like that, that'd be great. It's not in everyone's budget necessarily. So a light, I mean a big leafy green salad that kind of does me well. For me I've reached the point where, you know, any processed foods just gets stuck in my back. Like it's stuck in my, in my digestive tract. You know, the digestive tract and your lower back are kind of the same thing. People don't appreciate that fact. If, if it's hard to chew or if it's hard to swallow, it's typically going to be hard to digest and, and, and everyone's different. You know, I, again, I grew up on those challenging foods so, you know, I kind of blew out my digestive tract. Other people might have healthier digestive tracts and they can, or they're younger and they can eat, you know, chewier foods than I can. I'm looking for slippery food.

That's interesting that that's what agrees well with me better too. Especially with vegetables. Anything pureed, anything mashed, anything boiled, I do a lot better with kind of baby food style. So. Yeah, absolutely. Now, I do have one other question that's about visiting the farm. Like if people come there, can they actually kind of like Laird brought me over, do a, do a farm tour or something like that?

Yeah. So we were having tours up until March or April, a couple days a week certainly. We have our retail stand open at the farm where we have all our products and there's a little discount on the farm and you can get all kinds of help as far as information, education here to talking to our peeps here on the farm that are all living this lifestyle. But at the moment, so you come here and you can and the store is in like the, it's called the Teal and I. And it's literally in the center of the gardens. The gardens are all around it, so you get a feel of vibes. But as far as tours go, it's basically by appointment only. Private tours. We definitely are more than willing to give them, but you gotta kinda give a call or an email and make them happen kind of individually. At the moment, they've actually just shut down the island, theoretically. It's 14 day quarantine again. They just shut it down today again.

Every time I get amped up to come visit, that happens. It seems like.

Well, and I just, you know, people like yourself and I know there's listeners out there, you know, pushing the immune boosting process is key for us. And getting things like turmeric around every corner. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, you know, there should be turmeric shots at every corner with the amount of money we're throwing at this thing. So I think that's where, you know, the mind shift's gotta happen is how, you know, if they're, if they're giving out, they're giving out viruses at the drive through, you know, fast food place, they gotta, we gotta shut those places down and we gotta switch those out and we gotta start giving out real food and take responsibility for our people.

Yeah, well, well, by the way, speaking of real food, you guys also. So if you're listening in, you go to BenGrinthelfitness.com Pharmacy. I'll link to the pharmacy. We also have a really great discount code somewhere. I'll hunt it down, but I think it's. I forget what the discount code is. Do you remember Doug? Because I'll put it in the show notes for people.

We're going to go look for it now. But it's a 15% off discount that's across our site wide.

Okay, great. So when you go to the website, click recipes because they've got like, you know, avocado ceviche and Mac nut cream cheese and you know, turmeric honey sauteed vegetables card mom coconut pudding. So if you are gonna make an order from their site, print off a few of their recipes too or bookmark a few of them because they've got some cool recipes that you can use a lot of their products in and it's just great for that as well.

Greenfield 15 is the discount code.

Got it. Okay, I'll make sure that I put that in the show notes for those of you who have poor short Term memory. I'm sure there's some superfood that can help with that. All right, well, folks, it's Kawaii Organic Pharmacy. Doug and I have been, like, emailing and texting for the past two years. He's always showcasing to me these crazy superfood formulations that he comes up with, and I am just intrigued with what he's doing. If you've tried things like turmeric and noni and comfrey and ashwagandha, I haven't noticed anything, as Doug alluded to. You know, some of it's the soil, some of it's the energy, some of it's the processing. But I will vouch personally for anything that comes from Kauai Organic Pharmacy, because, like, I literally am using this stuff. Probably this, like I mentioned. And the Thomas Cowan's vegetable powders are my top two spices. I literally just go through like crazy. And I think they're fantastic additions to anybody's pantry. So, Doug, thanks so much for coming on the show and sharing all this with us today, and also just for doing what you do down there in Hawaii. I promise I'll come visit as soon as I don't have to sit around in a house isolated for 14 days when I arrive on the island.

Yeah, we'll be waiting for you. And I just want to mention that one epic turmeric photo that you have here with that root. We gotta retrieve that. You remember that one?

Yeah, it's on my Instagram channel somewhere. Actually. If you do a Google image search for Ben Greenfield Turmeric, you'll see the massive turmeric root that I'm gnawing on. That. I think. I think Laird handed it to me when I was down there, and it's. Yeah, just do a Google image search for Ben Greenfield Turmeric. It'll be one of the first things you see. So, yeah, it's a massive turmeric plant, and that's the kind of stuff that they're growing down there at the pharmacy. All right, well, I'll link to all this@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Pharmacy. It's pharmacy with an F. And until next time, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Doug Wolkon from Kauai Organic Pharmacy, signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com have an amazing week.

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