App INSIDER: Biohacks For Getting Rid Of Injuries Fast

Hey, it's Ben Greenfield. Welcome to this app Insider interview with Dr. Justin Marchegiani from justinhealth.com the dude is an expert when it comes to fixing injuries and relearning how to move properly. If you have movement deficits or nagging aches and pains, you're really going to dig this one. Enjoy.

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Hey folks, it's Ben Greenfield and today's podcast guest. Actually just finished making breakfast and you're going to love what he's eating for breakfast and I'll have him tell you about it in just a second. But this is a guy who really is a man after my own heart when it comes to the kind of stuff that he's doing with his patients and his clients. I met him down at Dave Asprey's biohack your Life conference in San Francisco a couple of months ago and he is a chiropractic physician. He studied over at University of Massachusetts. And his name is Dr. Justin. And I'm totally going to butcher your last name. Justin. Is it Marchegiani?

Marchegiani. Close enough.

I was close. I was close. You got it. He is doing some really cool things in his practice. His website, by the way, in case you want to check it out and I will link to it in the show notes as well, is justinhealth.com as in justinhealth.com and he works with a wide variety of patients, all the way from athletes trying to increase performance and heal from injuries to the everyday person who has chronic health problems. And I personally witnessed him down at the conference in San Francisco literally getting rid of people's nagging aches and pains and sore spots and injuries and movement deficits on the spot. I mean, he had a table set up, he used some of the more advanced tools and protocols he's going to talk about today, but really just kind of a wizard when it comes to optimizing the human body and using a lot of advanced techniques to do so. Justin, thanks for coming on the call today.

Thanks, Ben. It's great to be here.

So tell me what you had for breakfast, man. Since you were just letting me know, I figured the audience might get a kick out of all the different things you just dumped into your body right before we got on the call.

Oh, nice. Yeah. I did five poached eggs. I did three pieces of bacon, and I'm just having my bulletproof coffee right now with some vanilla and some fish oil and N acetyl cysteine. I'm ready to go. My brain is on all five cylinders right now.

You said vanilla, fish oil and N acetylcysteine?

Yeah, yeah.

And I actually took some along with the bulletproof.

Absolutely. And I also took some upgraded brain formula too. So my brain is just rocking it right now.

So he's pumped up on sm, drugs and breakfast of champions. This ought to be a good interview. Justin, tell me a little bit about why it is that you kind of got involved with your particular unique approach to healing. Where did you learn how to do what you do?

You know what? I'm a very unoriginal person. So essentially what I mean by that is I just try to go around and look at who is the best in the field, who is getting the best results. Kind of did that with nutrition and functional medicine in terms of how I got my diet, nutritional approach. I did that same thing with addressing injuries and helping people essentially perform at the highest level. So just looking around, observing, talking to people, and just see who's getting the best results out there. And essentially it's that old quote where you stand on the giants that came before you. And that's kind of my approach is just trying to learn from these people and, you know, you don't have to reinvent the wheel.

So what kind of people have you learned from?

Oh, well, again, Jay Schroeder has been really profound. A lot of the information he's provided has been awesome.

Jay? Jay Schroeder. Is that what he said?

Yeah, yeah. I also have a mentor out in the Midwest, Dr. Jay Pietola. He's one of the main people that's kind of originated a lot of these protocols in regarding the ARP Wave. He's been really profound in some of the techniques that he's taught me. And then other mentors like Paul Check and Greg Cook from the physical therapy side, and then like Robert Rakowski and other great chiropractic doctors and even Dr. Dan Kalish and the functional medicine side. These people have been really profound in my life.

Cool. Yeah, those are a lot of good folks. Jay Schroeder has been on this show, and I know that you use similar as he uses this electrical stimulation device called the ARP Wave in your practice. And I definitely want to dig in here in a little bit into how you're using that in terms of injuries and improvements. But before we get into that, you specialize in something that's called functional neurology. What is functional neurology?

Well, functional neurology essentially is just looking at the nervous system and trying to look at subtle changes in the body, whether it be with your eyes, specific reflexes, maybe a specific muscle tone, and just trying to look at maybe the slight deficits in the body and trying to give it maybe a specific therapy to help push it in the right direction so the body can function better. I mean, if you go see a conventional neurologist, they may be looking for things that are looking. They're telling you, hey, there's a pathology, maybe a tumor, maybe an aneurysm. And that's important to look at as well in the acute situation. But a lot of people maybe aren't at that pathological level yet, but maybe they're a little bit slower. They want to improve their performance or they're having mild headaches. What's the next step? It's just a way to look into the body, look into the nervous system, and to get subtle information that you can use to help get the patient better. And the key word is faster.

Now, you had people that you were working at at that conference, and you were checking out their movement patterns and everything like that, and then, you know, kind of. Kind of fixing them, getting rid of some of those aches and pains. And when you're first looking at someone, what is that functional neurology, in terms of how you're assessing them?

Absolutely. I mean, we can look at the eyes because we know certain cranial nerves affect eye constriction or dilation. We know certain eye movements. I mean, we can look at.

You mean you just like. You literally just like, look into someone's eyes?

No, we can shine light. We can look at pupil constriction and pupil dilation. That affects cranial nerve 3. We can move the eyes outside. That's cranial nerve 6, up and out cranial nerve 4. So there are different things we can do that actually are a window into the brain, into the cranial nerves, which actually attach up in the brain. So there are things we can do on a neurological level just to look at function that's very helpful. And then obviously, all the muscle kinesiology, testing the muscles is very helpful because we know every nerve, every nerve innovates a muscle, et cetera, and then at the same time, pulse blood Flow, things like that are really helpful. And then we use the ARP waves and it really provides a winning team just to get enough information so we can create a plan to get that patient from where they are now to where they want to be, essentially.

I recently had Dr. Eric Cobb from Z Health on an interview and he was talking about how they use this basically nervous system assessment of checking out the eyes and the ears and the balance and stuff like that. Are you familiar with that program at all?

You know what, I'm not familiar with the exact program, but that assessment sounds like a functional neurological assessment though to me.

Yeah, that's what I was curious. It sounds like your guys philosophies overlap a little bit on that. So once you've absolutely kind of, kind of identified some of the things that might need fixing in someone, like let's say an injury or a movement pattern deficit or something like that, you're using a lot of kind of cool tools in your practice. And I just want to kind of rapid fire some of this stuff at you and have you fill me in about how you're using it. And I guess the first thing to start into would be something that we've already mentioned, that would be the ARP wave, this electrical stimulation device. How do you use that to get better results or heal injuries in folks?

Well, great question. So how Jay describes it is pretty good. I like it. Essentially when you have an injury in a muscle, a disconnect occurs. And all that disconnect really means is some kind of injury and inflammation. It deforms essentially how the actin and myosin filaments contract. So like your actin and myosin are your muscle spindle cells and how they contract and that deforms, that inflammation around it just disrupts the charge of that muscle spindle. So essentially what we're trying to do is remodel muscle fibers at the same time, get that cell, get that muscle back to normal firing capacity. So how we use it specifically is. I'm getting a little technical here, but I think your audience is really intelligent here, so I'm going to go for it. So when we're scanning, what we're doing called the.

They're total geeks, so go ahead.

Great. So when we're scanning, we call it doing a search and destroy. It's a specific scan where we're scanning the body and normally a muscle cell is negative of 110 millivolts or so. And then what happens is a depolarization occurs and then the muscles contract when there's damage to the muscle. We're seeing a more neutral charge around that muscle spindle, and that creates a biofeedback of pain to the person. So we can go in and we can scan the area specifically. And if there's pain, we know at some level the circuitry is a little bit off. And over time, if the circuitry is off, we develop what's called a compensation pattern. So everyone can think back to maybe a time where they sprained their ankle. And you notice you start walking with a limp. So a limp is nothing more than a compensation pattern. Now, at some level, though, when you're a high performance athlete that you pay millions of dollars a year, you may not have that overt limp. But at some level, there may be a slight bit of a compensation pattern because your muscles aren't firing properly and you may be using muscles on one side more than another. And essentially you can develop wear and tear and lack of performance. Because we want both muscles to fire at the same time so we can get optimal speed. Because every millisecond is worth something.

Right? So are you putting the electrodes, like around the specific area and then just like, you know, shocking the heck out of that area, or is there kind of a method behind the madness in terms of how you, how you work the electrical stimulation in?

Yeah, absolutely. So kind of how I start things out, we do an evaluation. You kind of want to look at is a concept called hemispheresity. And what that term really means is we have our right and left hemispheres of our brains, and essentially these control the opposite side of our body. And we want balance right and left, so we want the right to be just as dominant as the left. And when we're looking at someone, sometimes we see what's called a hemisphericity, where one side is more dominant than the other. And so things that we're doing on the adjusting side, on the functional neurology side, are there to help bring that back into balance, because the brain is the ultimate conductor. So we could use the arc wave, but if we're not addressing the hemisphericity in the brain, the conductor's off. So no matter how much we, you know, we have an orchestra going on, no matter how much we work with the guys in the flutes or the instruments or the strings, if the conductor is off, that orchestra is going to play noise, not music. So we want to address the brain with the functional neurology, with the chiropractic, the specific soft tissue techniques that kind of sets the foundation and when the foundation is set, then we can build upon it with the bioelectric devices that essentially I would have run my practice without it because I get 70 to 80% increase in healing time with that.

How many times does somebody have to go in and get work done with an ARP wave before they start to get results? Is this like a one time, in and out type of thing or.

You know what, it really varies. I'll give you. For instance, I had someone come in with a frozen shoulder two weeks ago after four treatments, 100% better. 100%. Now I have some patients after four, hey, I'm 30 or 40% better. This is great. So it really depends on how long the disconnect's been happening, how much scar tissue there, how much scar tissue is present, how much inflammation is present, and not to mention how much they're willing to make changes in their diet because inflammation is really at the root of all of this. And the ARC wave runs on specific frequencies to help with inflammation. But if we're continuing to put more gas in the fire by eating a whole bunch of grains or toxins or nutrient poor food, then it's kind of like we are Rob and Peter to pay Paul, so to speak.

Right. Right. Now, if somebody has an electrical stimulation device, like a compact electrostim, which is what have. Or something else like that, like, I guess something that doesn't cost, what is it, like $8,000, $9,000 that those ARP waves cost?

Probably even more than that, actually.

Now what if somebody has like a regular EMS device at home? Can they do kind of self therapy or is there a big difference here?

Oh, totally. So let me give you kind of the rundown of the technology and how it's different. So again, if you're talking about your conventional electric stim or your TENS unit, again, that's running off of an AC current, an alternating current. The goal really of a TENS unit or electric stim really is to jam up signal in the brain to block pain. So it's nothing more than overriding the pain signal to the brain and blocking it. Essentially that phenomenon is called the pain gate phenomenon. So the blocking pain, one, it's not diagnosing and two, it's not actually healing. It's just you sit there, you put the device on, the muscle contracts, the muscle shortens, it blocks out pain while the device is on, and then as soon as it's turned off, the pain slowly comes back. Now let's contrast that with the arcwave. The ARC wave runs on a DC current which essentially is in harmony with your nervous system because your nervous system runs on a DC current. Okay, that's one, two. We're actually diagnosing in regards to we are able to search and scan and find out the actual underlying area of where the injury is. Now, that's really important because the majority of times if someone comes in and says, I have a knee pain or ankle pain, it's very rare that the pain that when we search and destroy that the actual hot spots are where the pain is. So a lot of people are just treating the effects, not the cause. So then we have the ability to diagnose. That's two. And then we actually move the patient and exercise them in specific functional movement patterns to help one, to decrease the compensation patterns and to help regain muscle fiber alignment.

Gotcha.

And the last thing is we're able to switch polarity because our nervous system works on efferent and afferent pathways. So all that means afferent information going in, efferent information going out. So we're able to switch polarities and work both sides of the efferent afferent pathways.

Okay, interesting.

It's really comprehensive when you compare it. And then also the fact that the muscle contraction that we're producing with the ARP essentially is a eccentric contraction. So it's actually relaxing the muscle. And that's what we want because the more the muscle can elongate or create a decentric contraction, the better it can absorb force. So if we get the muscle to elongate or create an eccentric contraction faster, then we have our natural shock absorbers on and we can absorb force faster. So if you're running that race and you trip or you're in that event, the goal essentially to being the best athletes, what they have in common is they move at unbelievable high amounts of speed and they can absorb force. That's the key thing.

Now, is this similar? Because on your website I noticed that you also mentioned something called Amp up Bioelectric recovery, which is another kind of service you have listed on your site. Is that similar to the ARP wave?

Yeah, it's very similar. It's a very similar technology.

Okay.

Yeah. I got introduced to the ARP through a couple other doctors and through Dr. J and Jay Schroeder. I think that device is amazing. And that's kind of where the technology has stemmed and other people have kind of evolved it a little bit, but that's kind of like the father of this technology.

Okay, gotcha. Because you have an interesting video on your site that Kind of shows how some professional athletes are using it. So I'll be sure and embed that in the show notes for people at Ben Greenfield Fitness. Okay. There's some other things that you use. Cold laser. Tell me about how you use cold laser and where that comes in handy.

Cold laser is really interesting. I haven't been using it as much, but if I do use it, where I find the best way to use it is actually to use the arcway first and do a search and destroy and then use the laser on the actual hotspots. Because I find that people use the laser like they're using BenGay. They're just rubbing it on the sore area.

Right.

But the problem is when you use the arcwave, you start to realize that the areas that are hurt or where the pain actually is, is in a total different spot than where the actual injury where the cause is. So I use again the arcwave as a diagnostic tool to figure out where the injury is. And then you can use the cold laser on what comes up as the hot pot. I find it much better used that way. If not, you're using it more just an anti inflammatory, which is good. But let's at least use it on the areas that are the roots, not the effect.

Okay, gotcha. So you use electrical stimulation in combination with cold laser.

Yeah, that can be really helpful. I mean, what cold laser is doing is it's providing specific frequency to help stimulate healing, basically stimulating mitochondrial density. And it's doing a couple things. It's driving in oxygen, it's driving in blood flow, and it's driving in nutrition. And especially when you're hitting specific areas that are like sensitive structures like cartilage and ligaments and tendons, these structures are avascular. So the reason why, I think one of the reasons why we get great results is we're actually addressing the root of the issue. But we're also able to drive blood into those areas that don't get a lot of blood. And with that blood comes oxygen and nutrition. So using the laser in conjunction with that, it's driving in nutrition, driving in blood flow, driving in oxygen. You're just getting all the raw material and substrate for that tissue to heal.

I remember when we were over in Spain for the ITU World Championships of triathlon, my wife and I were over there and she was doing a lot of kind of running around the city and injured her foot. And we ended up actually going into a practitioner over there. And it seems like cold laser is a lot more common over in Europe. In terms of a therapeutic tool. And he literally did one session on her. I think it was about 20, 25 minutes or so, and her foot pain was just gone, period, after one session. It was amazing.

That's great. I think that's awesome. The biggest thing that I see with ankle issues is it's actually usually a hip or knee issue, like long term. So I always recommend. It's great to do the palliative thing. It's a lot better than a cortisone injection because it's actually going toit's going to heal with no side effects. Looking up chain, what Gray Cook has always taught me is you've got to look up the chain, because usually the joint that's having dysfunction, it's never that joint. It's always the joint either above or below. So I always test the muscles above or below, and you're going to find hip muscles and knee muscles off. If you get those stabilized, then long term, you're going to decrease the chance of that ever happening again. But in the short term, heck, a cold laser is amazing.

Now, this concept of the chain may kind of relate to another thing that you do that I wanted to ask you about, and something that you call the in balance technique. What is the in balance technique and how does that work?

Great. That's a technique essentially developed by my mentor, Dr. Jay Pietola. Essentially, it's a blend of a couple different kinesiological techniques, neurological techniques, chiropractic techniques. And the whole goal is to assess the patient, figure out kind of where their neurological imbalances are, and then we can apply essentially modality and technique to help bring that brain back into balance, to bring those muscles back into balance. So I'll give you, for instance, right? Let's say we're testing someone's hip muscles and the hip muscles off. Let's say we're testing your wife and we find her hip muscles off. And we think maybe that's the root reason why she keeps on spraining that ankle, because how many people do you know that have multiple. It's like they sprain their ankle three times a year, and it just never, they never stop spraying it. So in that scenario, we find a weak hip flexor. So now what's causing that hip flexor to be weak? Is it something in the muscle spindle? Is it something in the Golgi tendon? Is it something in the joint? Is it something the arpway has to fix? So we want to look and figure out what is the actual root issue and Then we can apply the right therapy. So I'm going to get a little technical here. If it's the muscle spindle, we have to apply a therapy that's going to reset the alpha motor neuron. If it's in the Golgi tendon, we'd have to apply a therapy that resets the gamma motor neuron. Or if the joint isn't moving properly, providing a chiropractic adjustment in the right area would help with that proprioceptive input. So it really depends on what the issue is. But with that technique, you're able to essentially, instead of going out and hitting your target with a bazooka, you can kind of pull out the sniper rifle, hit the target smoothly and accurately.

Gotcha. Interesting.

Makes sense.

Yeah, yeah, it does. It does for sure. So, you know, can you give like an example of a dysfunction in the body that you tend to see a lot and kind of how, how you would go through and practically use this imbalance technique to address it?

Great. So the first thing we do is we look at the muscles, because how I explain it is if you're driving down the street in your car and the shocks in your car aren't working properly, you're going to have a pretty bumpy ride. Right. So the goal is, over time, what's going to happen is that the shocks aren't working, force will get absorbed by the axle or you're going to knock out your alignment. And the sensitive under structures of the car are going to eventually get worn down faster. This is no different in the body. In the body, we have muscles that are shock absorbers. If those muscles aren't working properly, force starts to get absorbed by disc, tendon, ligament, cartilage, the whole nine yards. The goal really is we're like super specific mechanics, so to speak, going in and figuring out which shocks in the body aren't working properly. And so one of the biggest things, for instance, in an ankle injury, we may see hip or knee muscles that aren't working properly, and sometimes it's on totally opposite sides of the body. So we'll go in and we'll figure out where the muscles are turned off or on and we'll get them turned back on again. And the key is we want symmetry. We want muscles turned on both sides. So if we have a hip flexor on the right and left side, we want them both turned on. Injuries, I think, occur, in my opinion, faster when we have both muscles or one turned off, one turned on. So let's say one hip flexor is turned off on one, one turned on the other side. This creates this whole asymmetry. And essentially we wear kind of. We wear down a little bit faster when we have these asymmetries. You're much better off being symmetrically weak because then you're just going to be slow and less likely to get injured from it. I mean, you still have a chance of getting injured because they're not absorbing force properly, but the symmetry is at least there. So we would go through and we figure out which muscles are off, which muscles are on, and then basically apply the right therapy to get it back on. And just because we do it once, it takes a couple times, especially with chronic injuries, it can take up to five or ten times to really help the fat. And then outside of that, we do recommend, if you're competing regularly, to at least get a checkup, at least get an imbalance checkup to see if your shocks are on, because we don't want to be doing any more harm than good. Especially when you're training really hard or competing hard.

Makes sense. Okay, cool. Now, you also do vibration therapy with a vibration platform. How do you use that in your practice?

I've been actually experimenting. I talked to Jay Schroeder about it as well. He is not using that with athletes. While retraining on the POV or arp. I was doing that for a while, and essentially just doing my own research, I found that patients could handle about 20 to 30% more current on the arc. It's kind of like a natural anesthesia, which I thought was very interesting, but according to Jay, that's probably not the best way to use it. I still use it that way. Sometimes I'll use it before or after treatment. I think it's phenomenal with blood flow, just helping with inflammation, getting the lymphatic fluids moving. I think it's awesome. With proprioception, I mean, you could take someone and put them on the vibration unit for 10 minutes and their muscles would actually test stronger. If one was off, I would actually test stronger when I test them after the vibration unit, which is pretty awesome.

So you just basically have a vibration platform there in your office that people are standing on, or are they doing this stuff at home on their own?

Oh, I have a vibration, you know, right in the front of my office, and there's like a line. Usually four or five people fighting to get on.

Wow. Yeah.

I patient just drop in. I have a patient essentially who was a recovering diabetic who had numbness and tingling in his feet. And after using The ARP wave and the pov. I'm sorry, the ARP wave and the bulletproof vibe. After two months, sensations coming back, feeling a lot better. He just comes in two or three times a week just to jump on it. It's literally saving his foot. It's great.

Wow. Amazing.

So essentially we find after someone uses the vibration unit, and I use the bulletproof vibe for a couple reasons. One, industrial size, one like that or twice the weight. And two, it's more portable and doesn't have the handlebar, so you can actually slide it under things and move it around. So for me it's just more convenient.

Right.

And so patients will actually test stronger after the vibration, but it won't hold as long. So we try to do the imbalance, then do the vibe, and we find that essentially the muscles and the adjustments actually hold longer when you do them in conjunction. So everything is about synergy. There's no magic bullet out there. It's just like, hey, we got a bunch of tools in our toolbox and let's just pull the right ones out and use them at the right time so we can get our patients better faster.

Now, are you also with your patients in terms of especially the folks who have injuries and stuff like that who are coming in, incorporating some of these nutrition concepts, like are they eating five poached eggs for breakfast with bacon and taking acetylcarnitine and all this other stuff? Well, yeah.

I mean, the whole goal is my basic filter for dietary recommendations is pretty non dogmatic. I just look at all right, what foods are the most nutrient dense, what foods are the most low in toxins, and which foods are the most anti inflammatory. So kind of a paleo, paleolithic style diet. I see a lot of autoimmune patients, so I even take it to the next level. So I use more of a bulletproof diet, which I just call Paleo 2.0, because it just essentially removes more of the toxins that I find in some of my patients just react to a little more. So that's important. My recommendations are more specific. I find that if people evolve closer to the equator, they can handle more carbohydrates. The farther away from the equator they evolve, they can handle less carbohydrate the more sick my patients are or the more toxic they are. Toxins disrupt insulin sensitivity, so we do more of a lower carbohydrate style of eating if a patient's sicker or if they evolve farther away from the equator. Because it's just all about carbohydrate sensitivity. And we'll do blood glucose testing and we'll do keto and strep testing to fine tune that macronutrient kind of fuel mixture.

Why is the proximity to the equator important?

Well, if you think about it, from an evolutionary period, you evolved, let's say you were Inuit. You had permafrost, you had six, eight, nine months a year, frozen ground. That means, effectively, vegetation is going to be severely limited. So you had to eat more fish, you had to eat more meat. You evolved closer to the equator, like maybe a Kataban or a Pacific Islander. You had more mango, you had more tropical fruits. Weston, A Fry show. Even the most healthiest tribes were still eating fish and animal sources that may be derived from the sea. You just saw more macronutrients coming from carbohydrates. But in the interest of the Catawbans, you still saw a lot of saturated fat coming from coconut, so the saturated fat should still be there. I'm a little bit more lenient on the carbohydrate with patients that evolved at that level on the globe.

Okay, interesting.

It's very individual. It's all biology.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Very cool. And is that similar to the kind of some of the concepts that are discussed, like in. Did you read the book Lights Out Sleep, Sex and Survival by T.S. wiley? Are you familiar with that one?

Well, yes, that's in my office library.

Okay, gotcha. I know she goes into some of the issues about light sensitivity and the ability to handle carbs based off of where you're at as far as light and temperature and things like that goes. That was the first time I'd been exposed to that kind of concept, was reading that book. So it's interesting stuff.

Yeah. And there's a couple of studies that I referenced from her with my new patients that essentially, with less sleep, mammal size gets bigger, fat mass gets bigger, and also carbohydrate metabolism is perturbed. They find glucose tolerance testing gets worse and cortisol increases. So, yeah, that's kind of where my recommendations come. They're very individualized.

Yeah. Are a lot of people doing what you're doing, Justin? I mean, I think that this is really interesting stuff. And I mean, I wish you lived up here in Spokane by me so I could come in and see you. But are there a lot of folks who are doing what you're doing kind of around the country?

You know what? There are people that do it on the physical medicine side. There are a handful. So, for instance, I have A lot of friends over at Austin Ardwave Austin with Garrett and Kyle. They do great work down there. On the physical medicine side, I find the biggest thing there's also Dr. J. Pfala over in Minnesota. He's great, my mentor as well. But the biggest thing that I find with people that practice physical medicine, there is a disconnect from the diet and nutrition side. What Paul Check has taught me is you really have to dial in the diet, in the nutrition, even when you're dealing with physical injuries because where's the raw material coming to heal? How do you put out the anti inflammatory or the inflammatory fire? Because every bite of food you take, you're either moving your body into an anti inflammatory state or to a pro inflammatory state. When people are coming in with injuries, they're basically telling you I'm inflamed. Cortisol is being secreted at high levels. This cortisol is your natural cortisone. So we have to get their inflammatory levels balanced, we have to get their immune system balanced. And the best way to do that is through diet and lifestyle and supplementation. I get better results in my opinion because I am a diet Nazi. I really harp on sleep, I really harp on exercise, smart kind of exercise and really harp upon the right kind of eating to set the body in motion. Anti inflammatory, nutrient dense, low toxic eating.

Gotcha now. Do you ever do phone consults with people, like if someone's listening to this podcast and they just wanted to like talk to you?

Yeah, absolutely. There's a couple things that were in the works. I'm going to be getting a couple more of these bioelectric devices. So I will be able to work with people even with physical injuries. I'll be able to rent out some of these devices and ship them out across the country and then work with patients via Skype on the physical side. And we do a lot with chronic thoughts via functional medicine. I see patients all over the world. We do via Skype or Google voice or just over the phone. We do specific laboratory analysis and metabolic assessments. The big five issues that I see right now are female hormone imbalances, digestive issues, fatigue, depression and people just with weight gain issues. Those are the big five things I see. And we use specific lab tests, functional medicine evaluation, blood tests, the whole nine yards. So it's very specific. I take the same overall philosophy when dealing with injuries as I do with functional medicine. So very objective and try to stay up to speed on both sides with some of the leading people on both sides there.

Gotcha And I'm gonna put a link to your stuff in the show notes too, as well for folks. And just so people know, Justin and I don't have any kind of financial relationship or anything like that. I just think it's cool what he's doing and wanted to spread the word and let you guys know about the whole concept of kind of incorporating things like vibration therapy and electrostim and cold laser and kind of healthy nutrition concepts and this whole imbalance technique of functional neurology and chiropractic medicine. And I think it's just really cool stuff that folks should know about if they're trying to heal their bodies or improve performance. So, Justin, thanks for coming on the call today.

Well, thanks, Ben, for having me. I really appreciate your podcast. I've been listening to it. You have a lot of great guests and you're really getting some awesome information out there and I'm using it myself, so I appreciate what you're doing too.

Well, fantastic. That's good to hear. So I'm sure that with just 40 minutes of podcasting that you've still got more than enough bulletproof coffee in your system to go bounce off the wall somewhere else. So I'll let you go waste the rest of your energy. And folks, you can check out the show notes over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com I'll put a video of this electrostim technique that Justin does and a link to his website and some of his contact info and stuff. If you want to look him up, he's down there in Cupertino, California. And until next time, this is Ben and Justin signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com visit.

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