Biotransformation, Why Your Body Is A Giant “Excretion Machine”, The Danger Of Wearables, Air, Water, Light, Sound & EMF Optimization & Much More With Dr. Anthony Beck.

On this episode of the Ben Greenfield fitness podcast.

We got poop, we got pee, we got sweat, we have tears. I mean, we're just built to push stuff out. That's the balanced understanding people have to realize not everything is for everybody. You're gonna look at something. You have to find out what's my inclusionary. And exclusionary criteria through the sands of time is the ohm. You don't have to sit in Lotus and do your little fingers either. There'll be none of that on those platforms anymore.

Oh, come on. You gotta be more specific than that. What'd you say? Performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. Hey, folks. Dr. Anthony Beck. Cool guy. He was first on my show in a podcast called the Danger of Shrooms. That kind of gives you a clue what that was all about. Eating and supplementing seasonally, whether lectins are really bad for you, and a whole lot more. He's an author, he's a speaker, He's a real thought leader, especially in the functional medicine world. He has over 20 years of experience in functional medicine, Chinese medicine, clinical nutrition, orthomolecular medicine, hormone replacement, sports medicine, exercise physiology. The list goes on and on. His name came up a few weeks ago when I interviewed Dr. Leland Stillman. We were talking about the environment and your health, and Leland was like, well, I learned chock full of information that I learned from Dr. Anthony Beck. And it kind of jogged my memory that I haven't talked to Anthony in a while. And so I figured we should catch up and let you guys be a fly on the wall. And also talk about unique program that he has about optimizing your personal environment in a way that profoundly impacts your. That one's called Balance Enviro. I got my hands on it and went through it, and from air to light to water to electrical optimization, it's a pretty cool program. Anthony, welcome back to the show, man.

Good to be back with you, brother.

So you were mentioning before we started recording, you just got canceled on.

What'd you say, Twitter? Yeah, I'm in Facebook and Twitter. I'm going for Instagram. We're gonna see if we can get the hat trick going here pretty soon. So.

So what's. Did your account get totally taken down or.

Well, as of right now, I'm on suspension. I. Of course, you know, I always fight back. So I appealed it, and then they turned down my appeal, but they haven't given me how long, so I have no idea. So it could be, yeah.

What'd you do, you bad boy?

You know, spoke the truth. You know, there's just, there'll be, there'll be none of that on those platforms anymore.

Oh, come on, you got to be more specific than that. What'd you say?

Well, you know, I mean, I talked about, you know, there was two things I made. I make comments, I don'. Mention anybody specifically in them. They're pretty generic regarding some of the things that is absolutely taboo, like the various things that are going on with the bending of science as pertains to gender, you know, and the, the mental illness that's associated, you know, with that. And I know that gets me a lot of stuff, but that's fine. I got broad shoulders. But the only. I didn't make any bad or hate speech comment, I was just basically saying that, you know, when people want to do certain things are unhealthy for them, that we shouldn't enable them. I used what an example was people who are, that we love that are anorexic and they stand in front of mirror and say, I'm fat and they're 92 pounds. We go, listen, that's. You're not mentally well. That's not good. It's going to be harmful to you. And I was referring to people that we love, people in our families and stuff, not just going, but anyway, so that was the context of that, of that statement and that was, I guess, taken wrong, I don't know, or whatever. I just basically just don't think that we should enable people who are clearly mentally ill because they're not seeing things for the reality that they are mentally.

Ill or like say 6 years old and unable to potentially make it, make a fully educated decision about, say, what gender they are.

You got it. And that's my thing is, I mean, I tell people, you can always hear my voice. I'm a country boy at heart and I love people. I don't have any of that hate and stuff in me whatsoever. But the thing is, I'm a staunch scientist. I look at not only the literature, but, you know, I got my training and my education through the Dewey decimal system. Not Googling. Yeah, Googling is just all about placement. So if you, when people quote, unquote, do research or I research something, that today, really, except in rare situations, means that you Google search something, or duck, duck code, whatever, or you pinged it, you got to get into the textbooks. I mean, there's some well established stuff in there. So true. Researching something takes more than that. And that's what I do in everything that I do. I'm really open to all kinds of things. But there's certain things that are pretty established in science, but science is never finished. Right. It's a process. It's a method. You know, it's one of those kind of things where I just get that for getting people to question stuff and just say, you don't have to accept that narrative. I always tell people don't believe me just because, you know, I say it either. Here's where I got my information from, and here's where, you know, some of the things that I have you'll call anecdotal. But to me, they're professional clinical experience, 27 years in the realms of integrative and functional medicine. Right. And I train physicians for a living. I mean, that's what I do. Like Dr. Stillman, you know, wonderful guy, and he's among, you know, a group or a growing body of those that are of the same, like, mind. And we really change lives. We're not digital marketers and niche pickers. And telling everybody, you know, all wellness begins and ends of the gut. And so anytime I say stuff like that on that was my other thing on Facebook, people will just complain or flag it. You know, you'll get the cancel culture thing going, and you get enough people to just flag the post just claiming that it's hate speech, which is code for they disagree with you. Yep. You'll get suspended. So that's what happened to me on those platforms. It's unfortunate, but wow.

Wow. Well, you know what? You know, as John Denver said and as you just alluded to, there ain't much an old country boy like you can't hack. So I'm sure.

Yeah, I'm good.

Figured out. You know, you mentioned kind of like your learning process and you delve into, you know, things that go beyond, say, Dr. Google or Dr. Duckduckgo, if you're trying to protect your privacy or quant or whatever else you're using as a search engine. I'm curious, what is your learning process? Do you have, like, a mentor that you really looked up to and learned from? You know, like I mentioned, like, when I talked to Leland Stillman, he dropped your name. But if I ask you, you know, whose name are you going to drop? Or do you have specific journals or digests or methods of learning what you learn that would really come to be top of mind for you?

Well, yes and no. No, no. You know, I did not have any mentors.

Me neither. I get that question all the time. And I always feel bad when like there's two questions I get asked. How have you messed yourself up with some crazy biohack? And who's your mentor? And for both I'm like, never really messed myself up and I don't really have a mentor. But it's interesting.

But I've learned, you know, a lot, you know, a basis of a lot of stuff. You know, it ranges from just a ton of people all the way, you know, going back to, you know, be Chomp and Leonardar and Jensen, Watson, Riddick, Reams, Revici. There's just a ton. Right. And these are people that had different pieces, but they didn't necessarily know each other. Right. Or work together and stuff. And so I went off the works of, of previous masters, if you will, or Titans.

Who, who are all those people? Those all doctors you just listed off or.

Yeah, they're all physicians from back in the day, man. I mean, we're talking. I have some techs that are just awesome, you know, they got that funky smell when you open them up. Like your grandma's basement.

Yeah. I mean, what kind of doctors?

Vast majority of them were MDs, but most of them were MDs. Ones that started me early on, of course was George Watson, nutrition. And you'd mind, you know, and then you got Pfeiffer's work and there's just tons of these guys. There's just a lot of stu. Here's the thing though, they didn't have the diagnostics that we have today, so what they couldn't explain, but they could report that their observations work. Because remember, that's what scientific method is, is observation. And we try to prove things wrong, not prove them right, you know, and give them to other people. And you see, if you get the same result, you form a hypothesis. The thing is, is now we've got laboratory assessments, functional labs that substantiate what they saw. You know, I've been a biological terrain guy, not germ theory guy from the beginning. It just didn't make sense to me. I was like that, you know, as many hundred, no, thousands of hours of, you know, looking at a microscope, you know, dark field and phase contrast and you see things, you go, that just doesn't add up. You know, I've never believed in the virus topic of today. And I've always known them to be exosomes. I've always known them to be non living things and saw what was going on here recently. I'm like, oh man. And it's like, you don't have access to this stuff unless you used to, you know, use the. Like I said, the Dewey decimal said you had a card catalog. You got to go put some research into some books. And so that's where I came. I didn't have a mentor, but I say that because that's answering that question. But, yes, my mentor have been my patients, tens of thousands of them, and their unique stories. My goodness, that's been. I've always said it's my greatest teacher.

Interesting. That's good feedback in terms of this program, this, I believe it's called, and I'll link to this, by the way, if you guys go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com PrimePodcast I'm gonna link to all of Dr. Beck's stuff and our previous podcast, in which we took a much deeper dive into his. So that's why I'm not spending a ton of time on his background, because you can just go listen to that initial podcast. So anyways, though, you've got this kind of unique. What you call a Balance prime approach.

Balance Protocol. Right. So Balance Protocol is my method evolved over 27 years, but it's been around. I mean, it took me the first five years to come up with it, but. So Balance Protocol. Balance Protocol prime is a program that I put together to give access. It's a free online course that gives the foundational understanding of all the principles, tenets, and methods of Balance Protocol. So people go, well, what's this guy's shtick? What is what? You know, because I'm not. I'm not a niche guy. Like, I'm a no lectins, or I'm a keto guy, or I'm a thyroid or autoimmune. I don't do that stuff. It's all of it. So it's a framework called Balanced Protocol. But I wanted people to have the prime understanding. So Balanced Protocol prime is a place where you can see where you can go and, you know, do that program. Now, the reason why I did it is so people can understand where I'm coming from, because most people just don't know. Their doctors are just, you know, they might hear them or something resonate with them, and then they kind of go for that. But I wanted to be a lot more transparent and give much more information on what the approach is, because it's pretty vast. Balanced Protocol.

Yeah. Yeah. So I did my homework. I actually went through the whole protocol. I downloaded everything. I went through it all. I took a bunch of notes, and obviously there's no way, we're going to, like, lay out the whole program on today's podcast. That's why the program exists. It's like hours of audios and lectures from you and PDFs. But there are a few things I wanted to ask you about. Specifically. You lay it out in terms of what you call a 2, 5, 3, 8 framework. Can you explain what those numbers actually stand for?

Yeah, so it's actually a 2, 3, 5, 8. So it's a Fibonacci. Right. So it's. It's technically.

Well, I'm. I'm. I'm lystexic. I'm sorry.

That's okay. Me too. So it's fancy when you're using all them letters and numbers, but the 2358 is a real simple understanding. It stands for the two questions, the three phases, the five causes, and the eight systems. The balanced protocol prime goes through all that in tremendously. But just for the record, two questions means you always have to be asking, what do I need to add? What and what do I need to remove? Not like, oh, I need to take this and take this and take that, or, I can't have this, I can't have that. And it fixes that. It's always add and remove. Three is the three phases. So we always got to do things in the right order. Order of operations is critical in anything. You know, you just don't start with like, say, well, you're ill, you got a problem, let's detox. Because that sounds real sexy, right? And they're like, well, you're assuming that your body has the ability to handle an induction or a forced adaptation of remov stuff that's been sequestered in tissue for a long time. You can't, you know, you can't just start pulling anything out of the body and expect the liver and the kidneys and the bowels and your lymphatics to be able to do it. So it sets the order of operations, the phases. So we always talk about nourish, balance, purify. So you want to nourish the body, build it up, then begin to balance out systems, and then you can purify it. So that's what that is. The five is the five causes of all diseases. There's five and only five. There is no other cause of disease other than the five, which are nutritional deficiencies, stressors, microbes, allergens, and toxins. That's it. Every single thing can fit into one of those five categories. And most of the time, it's not just One of those. It's multiple of those. But when you look at them in that way and you framework it, you go, well, man. Okay, well, those would be my targets of assessment. And then, of course, 8 stands for the eight systems of the body. Everything fits into those. The first one being environmental inputs. Number two is gi. Number three is mindset and cognition. And number four is immune system. Basically, when it comes to inflammatory cascades, there's lots of them. There's not just inflammation. And then we move on to structural, and that's both on the cellular level and the physical level. Then we move on to oxidative stress and the energy production systems. Number seven is neurotransmitters and hormones. And number eight, the last one is biotransformation and detoxification systems.

Biotransformation? What's biotransformation?

Well, that's the correct term because one of the things that people have to realize about the body is everything is electrochemistry. I'm a huge Tesla fan. Okay, so add him to my list of mentors.

Oh, yeah, me too. Like Jerry Tennant. Robert Becker's book.

Yeah, well, Becker. Yeah. Tenet. No, I find Tennant to be a fraud.

The guy that wrote. What's his book? Healing is Voltage.

Yep.

Isn't his book kind of like based on the concept that were electrochemical machines?

Yeah, but he bastardized it. He dangles pendulums over people and spins them in directions and tells them that this thing. I mean, that guy is.

Oh, he does the pendulum thing.

Oh, my God. And you should hear the best. See, I do my research, and that's my personal opinion, based upon discovery and belief. And if you ever. One thing about me is you asked me about somebody specific, and I'll tell you specifically what, and it's because it's my opinion.

I don't know. I was over at Ann Louise Gittleman. She calls herself the first lady of nutrition. She writes a bunch of books. She actually doesn't live far from me. And my wife and I were over at her house for dinner, and she did that pendulum thing on my wife and told her. She told her that her kidneys weren't functioning properly. And my wife actually does get UTIs and actually has some kidney issues. And so I thought that was interesting.

It is. I get it. It's like cold reads, you know, like those guys that used to be on, like, you know, the Donahue show, and they do all that dog and pony show. It's not. It's not repeatable or quantifiable. And this. And I'm a bioenergetic. I've spent tons of time, years at the Edgar Cayce foundation in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I've studied all of it. Applied kinesiology. And I know this might disrupt some people, but that's, you know, that's the difference between all of us. So they can use similar vernacular. Yes. The body is voltage. Well, of course it is. Now Robert Becker, absolute genius. I mean, must read, right? So that's, that's in there. But Tennant completely blows it all together.

All right, so, so, so, so back to biotransformation.

So biotransformation is the body is, you know, it's all energy, frequency, vibration, right? The body is just a great big old vat of electrochemistry. That's all it is. The body is, is a, an amalgamation of things that are on the periodic table of elements. That's what it is. So when molecules are introduced into the body and the body, they're foreign to the body. The body has to process it through chemistry. And it's always electrochemistry. Everything is emf, if you will. The problem with like say the periodic table of elements is there's no number or thing that has to do with magnetism. We talk about electromagnetism. You can't have one without the other. But the periodic table doesn't show anything reflective of that part of irrevocably yoked concept.

So explain to people what that means. Like why is it the periodic table wouldn't have magnetism? And why is that important when it comes to something like biotrax transformation?

Because the thing about this is there's different properties that are always together. There's always positive and negative, infinitely together. Though it might not seem that way. Just like a magnet. Magnet has a positive end and a negative end. You cut it in half and what do you have now? Two pieces that have a positive and negative pole. They're omnipotent. It requires an understanding and a different way of looking at the body. So when I use the term biotransformation, you take in a molecule and the body processes it, you know, through what I call a divinely created intelligence. It has to process it through things. Like people have heard of methylation and transulfuration and conjugation. That's all words of molecules being added and subtracted. It's the same thing when it comes to amino acids. You know, every single thing is what I call the cho cho. Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, amino acids, carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, plus or minus nitrogen, phosphorus, Fatty acids, same thing. They're all made up of the same stuff. And so the body bio transforms. It's the proper, better way to look at it is a transformation. Bio detoxification is kind of a misnomer, but it is a concept that we understand. It's not a matter of taking this to get the body to remove that. You're assuming that it has the resources to do it energetically. So I use the term biotransformation. That's what I mean when it comes to turning things that aren't us, we call it food, into us. It has to be programmed and biotransformed. Like, I can do a muscle core biopsy on Ben Greenfield's vastus lateralis and I can't go, oh, he got that from grass fed bison. No, it's you. It has no signature whatsoever of where you derived it from. You can't tell if it came from venison that you shot with your bow. It has to bio transform it into us. That is a harmonizing effect that has to have. That has to occur. The body has to break it all down and reassemble it into us. That's tuning. It has to do it that way.

Okay, so what you're saying is like in the case of, let's say, detoxification in the liver, let's say, I don't know, something people might consume every day, say caffeine from coffee, that has to be neutralized, I know, by the phase one detoxification pathways in the liver transform to a more chemically reactive form so it can get metabolized by phase two enzymes. That transformation would be an example of the biotransformation that you're talking about where you're either, you know, in the case of the liver, I forget with caffeine, whether it's a methylation process or how it is that that's actually occurring in the liver. But what we're doing is we're actually converting, transforming it from one form, whether it's a pharmaceutical or something like caffeine, into a different form where it could then pass out into, say, like, you know, skin, stool, sweat, blood, et cetera, after being conjugated or sulfated or acetylated or glucuronidated or, you know, via vitamin E. Any of those steps that happen duringduring phase two detoxification in the liver.

Okay, but it's like, for instance, you're right on the money. Like, caffeine is a very positive therapeutic agent. People go, oh, well, coffee, caffeine, well, that's not true. That's like saying male penis. Well, the penis isn't the same for every male. Right. So the caffeine derived from its source is not always the same. There's an infant energy signature from different things. You have a great understanding of that with your coffee and stuff, which is awesome. So the thing is, yeah, you go like, well, we know caffeine is cleared through a cytochrome P450 called 1, A2. That has to be made by something. That enzyme has to be made from a substrate. What's other food that we ate before? It's not just infinitely there, it's literally a physical molecule.

There are arguably a lot of substrates. Because isn't there like a hundred enzymes that make up the cytochrome P450 system?

Oh, lots of. And they're called P450 because they maximum illuminate at 450 nanometers, which is the blue that the number one, you know, of course, spectrum that comes from our digital devices. So again, what's funny is we actually have a encoded gene that actually has a characteristic of light, which is pretty interesting. So, you know, 450 nanometers, that's why they're called cytochrome P450s. But yeah, so biotransformation, it's one of those things. Listen, I love to remove toxins from the body, but I don't do that ever, first on anyone, no matter what. Because you can't just assume that the body has the capacity to do that. And that's why so many people have troubles. You got people out there who go push through the pain and no, it's just a Herxheimer reaction. Keep going. Your body's intelligence says no. Sometimes it's slow, sometimes it's, whoa. You know what I mean? You can't assume that. So that's why that 2, 3, 5, 8 framework really keeps us sober, because it sets the order of operations, of doing all the wonderful things that you reveal and you teach to people to open their minds, that you got all these things in the toolbox, but you have to sort through the person's unique story, existing with their unique environment within their unique, you know, lifestyle and their unique mindset. And that needs more information than just, you know, living vicariously through what you might hear somebody else do. Dr.

Okay, that, that makes total sense now. Kind of related to this, this concept that we were talking about about detoxification and, you know, things perhaps getting bio transformed in, say, the liver and, and passing out into other areas of the Body. You describe the body as one giant excretion machine. I think I came across that term when I was going through your prime protocol. What, what do you mean by that?

I mean, we're just built to push stuff out, right? We got poop, we got pee, we got sweat, sweat, we got boogers, we have tears, we have all kinds of secretions from our nether regions. So the body is just constantly taking in things that are not self and processing it either into self and then what it doesn't want to use, sending it to get tagged and bagged to leave the body. So that's all we are. One of the things is, is that's a very arduous process for certain molecules, because certain molecules have certain electromagnetic consequences. You know, their electrochemistry being present, has to be dealt with, right? So we swallow food, it goes in the. Into the gut. And you've got a variety of things that it starts to get tuned. We hit it with a real strong acid. Then it makes that left turn at Albuquerque called the duodenum. The duodenum, if you're nasty. And then we put the bile salts in there and the pancreatic stuff and all those. That's all electrochemistry to tune it. So then we can now absorb it. Now it goes into circulation. Well, then that now gets delivered to tissues and they have to like a fireman brigade. You know, one person grabs the bucket, hands it to the next person. You got to go through all these cells and then in between two cells, there's a matrix, there's an in between space between spaces. And then it gets in the cell and then it has to go to different organelles within the cell. So you got all these things in and out. In order for things to go in electrochemistry, we know we got to push some things out. You know, sodium going in, potassium coming out, we got calcium. There's all kinds. Those minerals are what really provides that energy, frequency and vibration for everything, right? So that's what I mean by the buys one just great big old excretory apparatus. That's really what we are. And we gotta be mindful of things moving in and out. You know, nutrients in, byproducts of cellular respiration out physical solids, some are in gases. They all have different, you know, things to that. Emmanuel Revici's work was instrumental in me understanding what the membranes are.

Whose work was that?

Did you see, say, Emmanuel Revici Ravici? You know, and he. But what he did was, is he bound certain minerals to certain fatty acids to get a Certain result, that's the whole thing. You gotta pass through that membrane. That is electrochemistry. Right? You got the sterol heads and the free fatty acids on the inside. You know, like our mutual friend Dr. Pollock talks about the, you know, EZ and the exclusion zone. Right. It creates a positive and a negative zone. Everything is an infinite energy frequency vibration to where we have these constant, constant subdivisions of positive and negatives within other positive and negatives. And so we have that along those membranes. And if we don't take that into consideration, well, then we wonder why some people say, oh my gosh, I, they love all the powders of the, what I call the fairy tree, like cinnamon and turmeric and all these other things. The thing is, is those are higher frequency things because they, they are a construct of various cho. Right, different things that are on the periodic elements. But I try to encourage people to focus on minerals, vitamins, fatty acids, amino acids, because everything boils down to those anyways.

Minerals, vitamins, fatty acids and amino acids. Would you say that you categorize nutrition more based on a balance of those versus, say, focusing on the traditional macros like carbs, fats, proteins?

Yes, but there's also somesome great work. When it comes back to Watson I was talking about, he was the one who created the terms of fast oxidizer, slow oxidizer, sub oxidizer, that's reflective of a person's ability to biotransform those food sources and then they are then incorporated into your cells that set a big part of what your metabolism is, what your oxidative type is, is. And based upon that current status of that, you know, biochemistry determines what your macros should be.

So, so is that similar to like, like Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez's metabolic typing? Is it kind of drawn from that?

Very similar.

That, for example, if you're sympathetically driven, you might need to balance yourself out parasympathetically via the inclusion of, say, higher intake of what might be considered like, like, you know, plant based type of foods. And if you're parasympathetic, you might need to balance yourself out by eating more sympathetically stimulating foods like say dairy or meat, things like that.

You got it. You got it. Now that's. And that's exactly right. What do we have to add? What do we have to remove? And you know, Dr. Gonzalez's work was really cool, very familiar with it. There was a lot missing there. With all due respect, I say, and I think that's one of the reasons why Dr. Stillman inherently saw that but then when he learned balanced protocol, he goes, oh, that's what he was missing. But that's exactly right. So I let a person's biochemistry determine how they're fed, particularly in the resolution of chronic conditions. Right. You get a lot more leeway, you know, when you're somebody like you, you know, you can really mess with a bunch of stuff and be in tune to it, but, you know, you're. You're a, you know, ultra 1 percenter. Right. So most people don't have the luxury of doing. I've looked and done your lab, so that's true.

Now, how about you, when you say the body is one giant excretion machine for Dr. Anthony Beck, like for you, do you actually do things each week or as part of your routine that help to, I guess, enhance the excretion, so to speak?

Yep.

What are some of the core principles that you do for yourself?

Well, balance protocol. Key number one is the environmental inputs of air, water, light, sound, EMF and food. So those things. So of course, how you breathe, you've covered that in so many podcasts of different ways. The influence of that I'm sure your listeners understand the difference between mouth and nose breathing varies various techniques, all the way from Wim hofing your ass off to, you know, Kundalini. Right. So there's that. And then of course, everything in the body happens in a fluid environment. So water is absolutely critical. But then that pegs the question, well, what type of water? Then of course, you got the water charlatans and all the alkalizer people and the Kangens and stuff. Then light circadian rhythm governed and has an influence on all those things. Sound and vibration does too. And then of course, your emf. So you gotta control for all of those things. I blanketly and universally account for all of those everywhere, every day.

Okay, let's delve into a few specifics. Like, there's actually a few things I actually want to ask you about that are specific to this idea of optimizing your environment to enhance your ability to be a better giant excreter. So air. I went through your air module and you've got a bunch of tactics and tools in there to address air pollution. But like, if I was going to walk through your home and your office, are there any specific either central air filtration mechanisms that you have, or house plants that you have, or like, air filters that you like and use for. For yourself?

Yeah, sure. Well, and of course, the first thing you know, what do we got added more? We have to remove so first of all, I don't bring things into the house. That's the one thing. So I'm. I'm not a, you know, a chemical guy. Don't burn, you know, any kind of, you know, candles and stuff like that or burn sage or puja and all that fun stuff.

Really? Nothing like. Not even like beeswax candles or anything like that?

Nope, absolutely not. You put those near a meter and you'll understand. Now they sound cool and like. Yeah, you know, and of course they're black body lights and they're the right spectrum. So in one fractal micronids, they're actually. It can be a healthy thing because they're a good force of light, but at the cost of what the thing is, I don't introduce anything that is combusted. So I don't do that. I have, you know, porcelain tile through my whole house. I've got a very little carpets. So but that doesn't mean don't have some of those things. I don't want anybody to think that I'm dogmatic because I'm not. Hell, I'll smoke a stogie from time to time and eat a Krispy Kreme doughnut. Yeah.

I was gonna say, like the use of, you know, smoke or combustion, for example, to deliver certain elements to the human body kind of seems like it's. It's built into us from an ancestral standpoint.

Well, and I. And that sounds like that, but in my clinical experience it actually isn't. Now do I think the occasional combustion of, let's say hitting a little bit of, you know, DMT in the right context of the individual can. You can inhale it, of course, but I'm talking about the regular everyday stuff. So I don't introduce certain things into the house. I'm a big fan of having plants in the home to help with that. They're not like a huge purifier, but they do make a difference. The other thing is I believe in opening up your home, you know, at certain times of the day when the early morning or at night. So that way you can get an exchange of air. Right. Because stale air is a big problem. My air handling system, I use higher MERV rating filters at least a 13.

What's a MERV?

That's a classification of, you know, how well something actually does. Does filters. Right. So MERV ratings basically stand for minimum efficiency reporting values.

Okay, gotcha.

So you can look up MERV ratings. So a higher MERV rating to kind of hit, you know, a smaller you know, micron, a particle. I will use, you know, ions from time to time. I created a little ion machine myself that just, you know, hooks up to a voltage converter and I.

Like a negative ion generator, you mean.

That's correct. Yeah. So there's that. And then of course, I'm a big fan of the enviro cleanse, which is an electrochemistry purifier, not a pico, like a molecule, which I find to just be a really inferior product. I know that steps on a lot of people's toes, but I've tested them all and that's the difference. I mean, everything that I recommend or say that I do, I don't biohack it. I freaking. I put it through a rigorous thing. But anyway, so little things like that for air, that's what I do. And of course, you know, my water is all remineralized and structured, all that kind of stuff. My lights and things. I don't have all the.

That we'll get into in the water and lights, for sure. I want to stay on air for just a second longer because. What about when you travel? Because that's what I run into is, you know, I have like, like peace lily and English ivy and a lot of these plants that were studied in the NASA clean air study kind of scattered around the house. I've got. I've got one of those molecule air filters. You know, I also have one of those air doctor air filters. And I'm married to either of those. Just the two that I happen to own.

Yeah. Any of those help mitigate? I'm just talking about, about.

Yeah. And, and yeah, we keep the windows open, we got. We got a central air filter. But then when I travel, it's just like all that gets thrown out the window. And you know, I'm. I'm curious, like, if you walk into a hotel room, are you traveling with anything or are you just kind of like undoing the damage and you get home?

Well, exactly. Right. So in other words, you mitigate the best you can when you do travel. I call it the controlled burn. Right. Life has to happen. I'm not, of course, I'm not traveling anytime soon. As long as they're being mass Nazis, I just won't do it. And I have in a year, so. But yeah, you do the best you can, you know, I mean, you. You have tons of things, little stuff that you do, your hotel room, same kind of stuff. You know, I am a fan of the. They're called first defense nasal screens. You know, you Put the little screens, you know, like they look like little band aids. Just cover your nostrils. Gonna be in, you know, that pressurized tube called a. An airplane or a bus or something like that. And it's not so, you know, overly doing. And that's just particles. Of course, it doesn't block a lot of things like exosomes, AKA viruses. But. Yeah. So, you know, I do a nasal cleaning, right. So I'm a big fan of the Navage. So I keep mymy big old nostrils cleaned out and bathe those bad boys. Or then I'll astringe it with somesome vodka. Right. Just rub it up in there.

Yeah. It's one of those old Ayurvedic tactics. I just interviewed a gal from Ayurveda. She cleans out her nose every morning. And I actually didn't start doing that yet. I do use, like, intranasal glutathione spray. Spray that's got some essential oils and things like that in it called, called Glutastat and that. That does a pretty good job. And then I often keep my nasal passages pretty well lubricated. I have a little bit of sesame oil that I travel with and just dab that inside the nostrils when I'm, you know.

You can do that? Yeah. You want to put the moisture back in there. I've used anything from a Burt's Bees, lip balm, aquaphor. There's what, whichever ones, you know, there's, in other words, astringent. Wash it, flush it, and then keep the good stuff in there and then in the shower. That's one of my other big things. I'm a big fan of what I call nasal clearing. I stick my fingers up in my nostrils, open up those passages, and just get a few blows out there and just blow the whole thing out.

Yeah. You know what else I like for that is Happy. Like the Amazonian herbal medicine that you can just, like, huff up your nose. That cleans you out big time.

Yeah. I mean, so there's little things like that. But again, I try to let people know that, you know, balanced protocol is truly freedom. It's not dogmatic. It doesn't. It's not an approach to where you have to be perfect all the time. But there are different things and approaches and protocols that are for some and for some not. And that's one of the big things that's missing out there in the info space is most people are just going to tell you all the things that you need to do without any context of you no Exclusionary criteria, but well the sciences, I said okay, you're absolutely right. I love the literature too, but I'm not in that study so just might that I might be that age and gender and that category, that's not how I live mine. So I want to be an outlier in that statistic set. So the thing is, is there are people who don't qualify for the study and there's certain things that sound really great on paper but are contraindicated to people. You know, speaking of air, there's a, there's a lot of times where, you know, ozone and hyperbarics is absolutely contraindicated for people and we hear about all the benefits of it from that. If that's the person's niche you're going to tell everybody could do it. I'm going to say hey, it's a very powerful and highly potentially clinically beneficial thing, therefore then it could also have a tremendous ability to do harm. That's the balanced understanding people have to realize is that not everything is for everybody. And if you're going to look at something, you have to find out what's my inclusionary and exclusionary criteria for my current situation. Because I've seen people wrecked by keto. I've seen people absolutely marvelously their life turned around by it. I've seen people wrecked by vegan, I've seen them absolutely brought off death bed by vegan. You name a therapeutic, you don't care if it's a diet, a cryotherapy, a water therapy or light therapy. I've seen benefit and I've seen detriment on all of it.

Dr. That makes sense. Uhm, now, now what about. So youyou talk of course about air and then you talk about water and obviously there's a ton of different places that we could go with water. And I've done plenty of podcasts about water. Butbut of course kinda, kinda similar to that. You know, if you were to come over to my house, I've got a. Basically what I have is well water. So I've got got to passes through a manganese and an iron filter first and then it hits a carbon block and then finally like a vorticing device to restructure it. Then it goes into my home and then often I'm putting a pinch of sea salt in there to remineralize it or some trace liquid minerals. So that's how I drink my water. And then I also drink just because I like my fancy food drinks, I drink Pellegrino or Gerald Steiner I often have some bottles of those in the refrigerator and I used to just drink it straight out of the bottle. Now I pour it through one of those hands held water vortexing devices so I can structure my fancy sparkling water and I drink that. What's like your water filtration hydration setup look like for you right now?

Like that? I mean I have a really good five stage RO system and I built it off the backbone of an APEX system.

What's that mean if it's five stage? That means it gets filtered five times?

Well yeah, we'll go through five different steps, right. So of course you got a sediment filter, you're going to go through a carbon and you're going to go through like a KDF medium and then you're going to you know go through the RO stuff and you're going to go through the structuring part or excuse remineralizing and then I add a structuring device that you know that I make and I have that run hard. You know, I have a whole house system which can't do a whole house RO for realistically. But then my RO system goes to like my ice maker in my refrigerator and my pot filler over my stove. So that's if ever I need my water I just go to that tap. So that's what I use.

Do you have any I guess non water based beverages that you really stuck on during the day that you like to drink? Like for me some. Sometimes it's a Zevia soda. Sometimes.

Yup. Listen, I'll. I'll rock some Lacroix from time to time. Sometimes some Waterloo. It's pretty benign, right? Those things are pretty good. Sometimes I'll use them for the basis of, you know, using my magnesium hydroxide converted to mag bicarb water and I'll do that various salts. I'm like a collector of salts from around the world. All salt is sea salt technically.

What's your favorite salt?

Oh man, it's so hard to say. So you're trying to, trying to get me there. I like some La Flor de salt. You know the French, I'm a big fan of that. Himalayan's got a little too much iron, you know, for me. But you know it's, it's again you determine it based upon, you know, you test, you can quantify what's better for not. But I love some tapo Tico mineral water that's really tasty. Grill standard because it has a higher TDS in it. A variety of things.

Now in the prime protocol you throw around the word chromophore a lot, especially in the water section. And a lot of people might not really realize that about water. What do you mean when you see the water inside of us, like after we consume the water, it's a chromophore. What's that mean?

Well, the thing is chromo 4, right? So in other words, the thing, the understanding is first of all, I tell people back to the energy frequency vibration thing. The cells have a lot of stuff in it. You know, I always kind of laugh at the space because, like, oh, mitochondriac. And I'm like, well, I'm an endoplasmic reticulomat. All the organelles are just as important as the others, right? And so there's what I refer to inside the cells, a tremendous amount of turb. There's so many things in there, right? It's not like this floating bag with these things like you typically see in a book, the sum total of everything that's in there, whether it be, you know, gases things or whether it be minerals or metallics, different things on the, on the table, right? It's going to make up how your body responds to other things, even including different photobiomodulation things that we do. Everybody's all into red light, but I'm like, listen, there's tons of healing that can happen from blue light, tons from tangerine, tons from, you know, turquoise. How your body responds to those has a lot to do with, number one, the voltage that's in your environment and going through your body. Various EMFs you gotta control for, which is why the pendulum stuff can't work. These people are doing thesethose pendulum things in offices that have, you know, flickering, you know, light. Just don't get me started. But so chromophores basically means that when light, visible light particularly hit. Hits a. Hits a chromophore. It basically it has to do with the excitingness or the excitation of various electrical components that are within the cell, right? So there's what we call conformational changes. You know, our friend, you know, Bruce Lipton, right. Biology. Oblique is a great representation of a signal or a stimuli outside of the cell. And it's conducted through that protein linkage and then it goes through and it has a conformational change. It literally opens or closes and hits another thing. So there's that on the middle membrane, but there's also that along the membranes of the various organelles. Also remember, there's these doors within doors, like in the matrix. You Know, the gatekeeper, the key keeper, that Asian guy was running through all the doors as the keys. You know, you have a door that goes into a room with another door and another door. That's why I say the body is a chromophore. And the different things that are in there based upon all these different adjacent electrochemistries affect the way that water within in it acts and conformationally organizes based upon light. It goes like ez, you know, we discovered that by shining light on it. And they saw that that caused things to exclude the light, stimulating those things that are in and around the cells to conformationally change. So that's what I mean by being a chromophore.

Okay, gotcha. And basically, when we have water inside our bodies and we're getting exposed to a full spectrum of light light, along with healthy hydration levels, then that chromophoric activity is kind of like upregulated.

It's effected. So the chemistry of your various fatty acids, amino acids and minerals within there is going to determine how you react or not. Because like, for instance, there's some people who will do photobiomodulation and not get anything out of it. The question is why there's some people who will take various minerals because it all depends upon the last name of the mineral, like zinc. Picolinate is not the same as orotate or monoxide. Right. So that mineral on an amino acid is gonna act different in light or exposure to various voltages or EMFs. And so you gotta, you gotta, you know, kind of account for all of those things. So, yeah, you can do a lot of the right things, but there'll be certain things missed. And if you're not doing in the right order, you're not gonna get the same clinical result.

Okay, now, you mentioned light a few times. Obviously we, we, we pair that quite perfectly with. With adequate hydration and water intake. But I noticed that in the light modules, I. Your prime protocol that you say to avoid some of these common wearables like the Fitbit and the Apple watch. Why is that and especially why would that be in the light module?

Well, because the thing is, they're emitters of light. How they get it back, it's kind of like, you know, you go to the hospital or, you know, you do some, you know, McEwen's work. You know, so the thing is oxygen advantage.

Oh, yeah. Patrick McKeown.

Yep. The pulse oximeter on your finger. Interesting enough, that's a 660 nanometer light on there, by the way. That's how they're looking in it. But the thing is, is. So when you put that light over your blood, like Fitbits and Apple watches, it's more on the green spectrum. You have it constantly on a very powerful convergence of points per TCM and meridian theory, right there at your wrist. Right. If you've ever gone to a TCM practitioner, you know they're going to do your pulse, right? They're going to put their fingertips on there.

Right. And that's right where that wearable is emitt emitting typically like some kind of a green light on the underside of it.

Yep.

Yeah.

So you have all these other chromophores, like your blood whipping by there and getting that, that particular harmonics program to it. You know, aside from the fact that it's, you know, a power source there, I don't like to keep a power source on the body all the time either. There's a electromagnetic field for that then the light. I just don't think they're there. I just don't think it's a very beneficial thing. Thing. Some people, you can look at it and like, well, it's not because they were wearing it and having an allergic reaction, but they have a very interesting reaction. And maybe, you know, in the comments of this podcast, people can put in the comments and share that if they have had what I've seen on dozens of times in patients, that there's this odd reaction that happens there due to wearing those particular devices.

I got that. Like, I'm not going to name them right now, but one company wanted to sponsor the podcast and I messed around with their device for a while and it emits a light on the backside side of it as a, as a wearable, you know, daytime and nighttime wearable. And my sleep suffered, my HRV dropped. I. I didn't like the way that that wrist and arm felt during the night and eventually had to go back to just using. You know, what I use right now is the OURA ring, which doesn't really create any light at all. And then on any other wearable that I use, like, I have this other thing called a Hap B which uses like a magnetic signal to, to sit, simulate. Gosh, they simulate everything. Like freaking ketamine, mdma, cannabis, like caffeine.

Yeah, it's neat.

You name it, it's kind of cool, but it has an annoying green light on it. And, and for anything like that same thing with like the little juv light I keep next to my bed, I just go ape nuts. With the electrical tape, I tape over all little lights and that, that usually does a pretty good job. But I'm, I'm kind of unable to do that with the wearable because there's a, you know, the light is there to function, to take a reading and kind of defeats the purpose.

So it's more of a prolonged use for me. I mean, if you put it on real quick, got a reading and took it off, I don't think that's an issue.

Right, right.

But you know, that's why I talk about. I have a principle I call source form, dose, frequency and duration. That what's really makes if something is going to be potentially detrimental or beneficial to you, you have to take into consideration not just it, but the context of how long and to what degree. You see what I'm saying? Like Chinese water torch. Like, like one drop of water is not going to bug anybody. Hits your head like, okay, great. Okay. But have it place in the same volume over time and you'll see it's a big difference.

Yeah, yeah, okay, got it. So careful with your wearables, folks. If they're emitting a light, I think that's a, that's a really good tip because a lot of people don't realize that. Now you also. I know we're bouncing around here, but I just want to like get into the flavor of a few of these things because I love picking your brain sound. You got a sound module. And one thing you talk about in sound, I don't think is a term I've brought brought up much before on the show is toning and self toning. How do you, how do you sound to tone and self. Tone?

Well, you know, you were, you mentioned earlier the term like ancestral and stuff. We look at previous history of people doing things right. Things are common. You'll always find everyone's always got a fermentation. They always have alcohol. They all have a different thing. Well, one of the things they always have is a sound. They always have a rhythm and a beat. Well, sound is profound. It's one of the big missing things for so many people. Now, of course, sound is an EMF too, right? Everything is energy, frequency, vibration, but it's a different frequency. But the thing about it is, so toning yourself, toning we do all the time. It's like when you get injured, you're gonna go, you know, or like the Peter Griffin, you know, I'm a family guy, you know, he's angry and he just milks it. Ah, right. Same thing. When we, when we have sex sometimes we're sucking our teeth. That's a toning. What you can do is you can also, whenever you want to relax, you can induce a physiological response by the things that we just naturally do. You just do it more like you do that kind of a thing multiple times. So breathe properly, hit your control, pause exercise and then start to do these. Ah. And it will relax you like nobody's business. So you're invoking a sound. Of course then there's tuning forks and singing bowls. My concern with those sides because I've been doing sound for a long time before it was cool. People try to do too many at once. Right. Remember, keeping in consideration if you don't know what the turbulence is within your cells, don't be throwing all that cymatics in there. Right. So you don't want to do too many tones at once. There's some that are, that are complimentary, some that are building, some are destructive and sometimes we need those. I mean we can induce certain things for more catabolic, more anabolic. There's all kinds of stuff. But first toning and self toning. One of the good old fashioned ones through the sands of time is the oh ohm learning to chant an om. You know, you don't have to sit in lotus and do your little fingers either.

Yep. No, I love that. I'll ohm when I walk, you know, like from one telephone pole to the next, I'll just say okay, I'm gonna ohm until I get to that telephone pole. My wife and I will sometimes om during sex, my kids will om during breath work. But, but yeah, just, just. I mean the way that you feel when you move the energy up your body and do that.

Yeah. Churches and singing in choirs to over talk a nice little tone there. But yeah, brother, I'm telling you, the sound part is I think one of the biggest things that I think most people haven't explored. Maybe because all the niche pickers haven't jumped on it yet, but yeah, yeah.

Well it just, it just kind of works its way up your spine as you do it. And you talked about the, I think you said the enviro cleanse device that you use, which I think is a, that's I believe like a rife frequency based device.

They actually use minerals to capture elements that neutralize it through an electrochemistry. Yeah, there's no.

Okay, yeah. Have you, have you used a biocharger? Yeah, okay, yeah, I have one of those and it's got a chakra setting on it that Just does kind of a body sweep, like from. From your root all the way up to your crown chakra.

Based on my clinical experience evaluation, it's not something that I align with. So that's. I would say that. But everyone has their experience.

I certainly align with. Makes me feel amazing. Matter of fact, I have this other device called an AO scan, which kind of like your energy centers. And I'll sometimes come back from a bunch of travel and it's lit up like a Christmas tree as far as reds and yellows and. And ideal is green. And then I'll pop in and do that. That chakra balancing session on the biocharger with some omi and come back in and scan. And it's just like all perfectly aligned. And I feel great.

Sure. Have you ever. Have you ever worn a wooger?

A wooger? Does that measure how woo I am?

No, man. It is a sound vest and it's dope sauce.

How do you spell that?

W O, O, J, E, R. And you can you put that vest on and it tunnels it onto your body.

You know, I have. I have worn something like that at. It was Peter Diamondis's event, his longevity and anti aging event. They had a bunch of AI people or not AI. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it would have been AI no VR. And it's like a haptic sensation vest.

That you can wear some Call of Duty with that thing on. Man. Talk about tasking your autonom. Holy moly. But the strap. Not a fan of the vest, man. It is the dope sauce. I tell you one thing. And if you get your right tones and channeling, because it does have a Bluetooth thing. But I don't do that. Of course. I do it with the stereo plug. Oh, man. Nice. You know, you get.

Oh, wow.

It's. It's a great experience.

I have a sound healing table. I have the. The biocharger came with the bioacoustic table. And I'll like get massages on that and. And just play really, really great sounds, you know, like. Like the composer, Michael Tyrel. Some really good, like, sound healing, like whole tones.

Yep.

Oh, yeah. It's amazing. You know, one of my buddies, I think he wore that. He. He. He's like a plant medicine practitioner and he got talked into wearing this wooer, like during a plant medicine protocol to enhance the effect. And he said it was just like the. He said he didn't like it. It was just like the weirdest thing ever. Was almost like distracting.

It is. Yeah. You got. Don't overdo it, of course everyone's going to do it. Of course they're going to go Ben Greenfield on it. They're to going, gonna take it to the extreme. But, but you'll dial it back in. So have fun with it. But remember, anything that has the potential to be helpful, it can also be harmful. So you gotta do it in the context correctly and you, you can overly tune and tone your body for sure. So just, just be mindful of that.

All right, got it. Another thing that you talk about, of course, is EMF mitigation.

Yeah, sure.

And obviously I've done a lot of shows on that and unpacked it quite a bit. But I'm curious, do you, have you ever looked into like biogeometry or this concept of using almost like sacred shapes to create a kind of like a black hole that absorbs a lot of these EMF based frequencies?

Yes, I've studied extensively. I've, I've done it with meters and oscilloscopes and I have come to the clinical understanding that none of those do any mitigation at all. Haven't found one that does. Not at all. None of these, you know, organites, none of the pyramids, you know, none of those, those things. And I have done so much in it because, listen, I love the geometry. I mean, it's God's signature and on everything, right. I mean, when I, matter of fact, when I look at the periodic table of elements, I look at it in a spiral, not in the chart that people do. Right. There's some amazing shapes that no one has seen. Only if you train with me, as in my preceptorship program, you learn that stuff, but it just doesn't. I mean, crystals, everything, all the shapes, you know, the C60, I've played with all that, that stuff using quantifiable, measurable repeatable stuff and then, and even with biomarkers associated with that intervention. I don't, I don't. It's not in my toolbox to use or to teach. I just don't. Yeah, it's cool though, man. I mean there's a lot of really neat stuff out there.

Yeah, I've tested a ton of those. The only, the only one I found that actually causes my HRV to near instantly rise. Like if I use the moment function on my Oura ring and put it on is the pendant, the biogeometry pendant that you just wear around your neck. That one just seems to work.

Well, be mindful. Some of these devices get a Geiger counter and take a Look at the radioactivity on them. Of course you can. Of course they'll do some things. There's various poisons that'll make you feel good and a certain amount of radiation can actually make you feel good. Again, we're talking broadly here. I have found some of those pendants to be radiation radioactive.

Like they produce ionizing radiation.

That is correct.

Really? Even, Even if they're not electrical themselves, even just the shapes themselves.

That's correct. Because you got to look at the company and where they get the minerals from that they press into the pendant.

I interviewed this lady who wrote a book on hormesis, and she's involved with Blackhawk Minerals that sells radiated stones that, that you wear that emit things like uranium. And she sent me some cross. It's like King Solomon's stone.

Sure.

And it's irradiated stones. I put that thing on and almost immediately felt nearly sick. I mean, it's producing a substantial amount of ionizing radiation. Interestingly, I kind of stuck with it. The longer I wore it, the more the feeling kind of went away. But still, when I put that thing on, like I feel it right away, you know. And of course they say, oh, you're detoxing or whatever when you, when you put it on. But, but man, some of these things you hang around your neck, they, they do produce ionizing radiation. I, I didn't think of measuring the biogeometry one with a Geiger counter or anything like that, but that's an interesting idea.

You got it. It's a really fun thing to do. And then the other thing is like I one of these things and quantifying the environment, because that's my principle. Q square, M square, qualify, quantify, measure, monitor. You'll learn that in the balanced protocol prime course. But like the, our smoke detectors, they actually use radiation to actually do the detecting. So there have some of these americium, you know, Americum, americium. It's actually in smoke detectors. Right. And I've had some people that have been in their environment, they like to sleep on the floor and there was a smoke detector underneath them. So in other words, there's things that you have to look at differently than what most of the time people are saying. Again, I'm not dogmatic about it. I mean, I have a phone, of course, I don't have any EMF in my house. Everything is all wired and stuff. And I talk about all that, of course, on the EMF module. In the balanced protocol enviro course, you got to be Mindful. That's why I always tell people quantify for you. And in broader consideration than just that thing, sometimes it's not good for you. Based upon your current status of systems.

Biology, what would be the number one thing that you have in your home for EMF mitigation?

I have a server in my garage that everything comes into and everything is wired, so that's the first thing. I don't have any smart technology in my house at all. Not my mouse, not my keyboard, nothing. I mean, I don't have anything that does any of that stuff.

What do you do for Internet?

I don't wired. I ran shielded Cat 6 to all my. All my locations.

Yeah, yeah, that's what we do. Is Cat 6 metal shielded ethernet?

Yep, absolutely. My house is awesome. You take a meter to it and you're like, oh, people, they feel it too. They're used to it. But again, you know, if I step outside, I'm still getting some, you know. In other words, don't be dogmatic about, you know, emf, but limit your exposure. But there's a lot of that. I cover that exhaustively in the EMF module for sure.

Yeah. Yeah, you do. I went through all that. Yeah. One of the questions I wanted to ask you was. Was about minerals. Like our whole last podcast was all, well, not all about, but a big part of it was about mineral imbalances and electrolyte deficiencies. I think that that's how I first met you was when I was using that, that oral IV supplement for some of my racing and you were working with that company, you know, and I know you're big time into electrolyte replenishment, but you talked about salts, for example. But do you have anything else that, that you're big on for addressing mineral and balance imbalances or electrolyte deficiencies?

Yeah. So, I mean, you get it by default if you follow balance protocols. Environmental inputs. Right. Air, water, light, sound, EMF and food. It kind of self lubricates, however, depending upon certain stressors that you put yourself onto. Like you and the, you know, all the spartan races and the world's toughest mudder. That kind of fun stuff. Remember that day? Oh, my God.

Oh, the, the one at the one out in Vegas.

Yeah. Remember when we were out there with.

Oh my goodness, got so cold at night, literally I could barely feel my legs. I thought I was getting competing out in the desert covered in sweat and I'm just like hypothermic.

It was so bad. I would never do that again. But Anyways, so the thing is, is that I'm a big fan of minerals in my water and in my food. And then of course, you know, proper testing to evaluate them to understand the nature of minerals in your body, you've got to do it through blood and secondary is hair. And so the thing is, is, is those will give you the better picture and you, you can adjust for there. I mean I'm, I'm more in love with potassium than I am sodium, that's for sure. It's rare that any money is sodium deficient. That's why all these electrolyte products with all that sodium is kind of crazy. Potassium is for the win. So there's that. But then I'm also mindful of the difference in the different combinations. Right. Because you can have a, it depends upon their valent charge. Right. On the, on the, on the periodic table we're talking about a monovalent cation or a monovalent anion. And then are they bound to a monovalent anion or cation? Right. So it just depends. So they're going to act different. A zinc citrate is going to be entirely different than a zinc picolinate. Okay. A sodium chloride is going to be different than a sodium citrate. The actual full on construct of the molecule itself is going to determine its, its chemistry and its effect on your, your, your electrochemistry chemistry. So sodium chloride can actually, you know, coagulate blood, but sodium citrate can thin it out and increase its zeta potential. Right. So minerals are awesome, you know, and that's, I like them by their independent, you know, source them separate from anything else. But of course we do supplement different ones for different things. It just depends upon where do I want to keep that zinc. Do I want it to go into the cell? Then I'll use a zinc or rotate. Do I want to keep it in circulation, in the blood to exert its effect there? Then I'm gonna use citrate, zinc citrate. So it's different.

Do you test people for mineral balances?

Every single one of my patients. It's mandatory.

What kind of test?

Well, pound for pound, dollar for dollar. I like the, the Genova diagnostics, Nutrival plasma. So that way I can some, you know, zinc, copper, magnesium, manganese, potassium. Those guys in the proper source of where we're getting, there's a difference between rbc, zinc and plasma zinc. It's different.

That's a good test.

Yeah.

So this balance protein program, people would sign up for that and then can they just like Tackle it all on their own time like I did. Just like download it all and go through it and read all the PDFs and everything.

Yeah. So Balanced Protocol Prime. It is the. Remember, that's the introduction to Balanced Protocol. The method, overall Balanced Protocol Enviro that covers the first key of Balanced Protocol, you know. And then of course, my coming programs are Balanced Protocol Gastro, which is key number two, balance protocol neuro, which is of course key number three, and so forth. So enviro is about 50, almost 50 hours of instruction and videos broken up into the air, water, light, sound and EMF and nutrition rounds. So there's that prime is free. You gotta invest in Enviro because it's a heavy course. It's not one of. And you know, it's not one of these ones where it's the quick little.

Yeah, I converted it all to MP3s and listen to it while I was, you know, out walking and stuff. And then just, just after I'd go for a walk, I'd review the PDFs during lunch. It only took me about a week to get through. Oh, nice. All said and done, but us, I, you know, I'll do that stuff and just like take a deep, immersive dive.

Yeah.

And so it's a really good program, though. Really good. You know, and again, Leland kind of turned me onto it. Then I checked it out and then got you on the show to talk about some of this stuff, because I actually think it's a really great one for people who want to optimize their environment, you know, for the things that we've talked about today like air, light, water, you know, electricity, sound, etc. So pretty darn comprehensive.

Yeah, it is. I really was long winded in it because I did. I didn't want to have people spend all the time going around to all the different sources for it and try to put it all together. And the big differences in there is including inclusionary and exclusionary criteria and methods to quantify it for you specifically. So, yeah, it is really good. I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's one of the things that it's a starting point for everybody, regardless of what you're trying to do, increase performance or try to resolve any type of chronic disease. And I know that sounds like a commercial. Okay, got it. I'm a capitalist, but at the same time, it's robust. I mean, it's pretty exhaustive of topics.

And practitioners can do it too.

Oh, sure. And all the doctors who train with me, all my clinicians they go through a long training procedure with me personally and they all realize that I gotta make this pretty. Not mandatory, but hardly emphatically encouraged for all of them to enroll and go through because it saves them a lot of time too. Because you can self steer. Because, you know, when we're consulting with patients, we only have so much time, right? There's only so much time and there's just so much to. For a person to get in transfer from one person's brain or thing into theirs. And so that type of coursework is really beneficial for doing that and saves them a lot of consulting time and money, you know, so I'm quite proud of it. It's a wonderful thing. The upcoming programs for Gastro and Neuro, Monero and Immuno, those are mind boggling too. I just, wow, I have to hold myself back because I could, I can just go in for so many areas.

Well, you know, I wish, I wish I had a full list of all these different. At the beginning of the podcast you listed all those doctors and all those books. There's. There's so much there. But yeah, but obviously, you know, if you've already studied up the guys, you know, I'm all about the, you know, another McCown you talk about, Patrick McCown, this guy named Greg McCown, he wrote a book called Effortless. And you know, big part, part of it is don't reinvent the will. Some expert has already studied up on a bunch of stuff and saved you the work of having to read all the books. Just go to that expert and listen their stuff because they distill down the information a lot of times in a culturally appropriate manner. Meaning if some book was written in the 1700s and you've read it and distilled down that information to something that someone in the 2000s can more easily digest. I am all about going that route and working smarter, not harder. So if any of you do want to work smarter, not harder and dig into Beck's brain, I'll link to his programs and everything else that we discussed along with my. I'll link to my first interview with him as well because we talk about some really cool stuff there like, you know, shrooms and plant medicine and, and the dangers therein. Potentially, you know, eating seasonally, you know, lectins a whole bunch more. So.

And there's a second one, this. So this is our third time on here together.

Yeah, that's true. This is our third time. Yeah. Because we did one on, on minerals and electrolytes as well. So. Yeah, so I'll link to all that if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com prime podcast. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com prime podcast. And Anthony, as usual, it's been amazing having you on the show, your wealth of knowledge, and I like that you're a smart doc, but as you said, you're a good old country boy, too.

That's it.

Much love, man.

Thank you. Much love to you, too, Ben.

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