How To Biohack The Ultimate Healthy Home: Part 1

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Hey folks, it's Ben Greenfield. And on the call with me today is one of our favorite podcast guests, a repeat guest who I featured several times@BenGreenfieldFitness.com and his name is Dr. Jack Cruz. Jack is a neurosurgeon. He is the CEO of a health and a wellness company called Optimized Life, which is basically dedicated to helping patients avoid the healthcare burdens that they typically encounter as they age. But his information goes way beyond just anti aging. On previous podcasts we've talked about ketosis, we've talked about fat loss, we've talked about sleep. And in today's podcast, we're going to talk about how to create a healthy home. In other words, all of the little things that might be surrounding you in your house that detract from your health, detract from your performance, and detract from your sleep. We're going to attack some of those and figure out how we can biohack our home to lead to better performance, recovery and health. So, Dr. Cruz, thanks so much for coming on the call today.

No problem, Ben, anytime. And Merry Christmas to you.

Hey, thanks. Merry Christmas to you too. If you're listening to this podcast over the holidays, we're about four days out from Christmas right now. So Jack, let's just jump right in, man. Homes are obviously a place where we spend a lot of our time and there are a lot of potentially health dangerous items in people's homes today, things that might threaten our health. And obviously there's a ton of different things we could choose from. But in your opinion, what do you think are some of the biggest barriers to health or sleep or performance that are just like common household objects that you see in most people's homes?

Well, the number one thing I would say prioritize top to bottom. And obviously when you take a 24 hour day, sleep is clearly the most important. The reason it's the most important is because that's the time we regenerate. So I would tell everybody, if you're looking to get your shit together, so to speak, focus on where you sleep first. And you want to make the sleeping environment absolutely pristine and Ideal, you know, as best you can. It really obviously depends on, you know, your sensory surroundings. And the way that I like to tell my patients is I look at sleep and I look at performance and optimization on a three tier stand. The first one is the analog level. And the analog level is really with a receptor mediated response. You know, those are like the five senses or the six senses, however you want to look at it. The second level would be the digital level, which is the nervous level. Then the third level, which is kind of where I'm bringing most of the people you know, on my blog, is the quantum coherent level. And what we're finding out in research is that's actually the most important part, and as you well know probably from reading much of my blog, is that that level is the hardest one for people to understand because many of the basic foundational principles are counterintuitive. But the practical applications for sleep are not very difficult to understand. You know, most people know about sleep hygiene, turning the lights off, paying attention to light and dark cycles. But when it comes to emf, the single most important thing in my view is probably turning off the electrical panel to the area where you sleep. And that's what I do.

So you actually do actually like go out to the breaker box and turn it off there?

Well, when I started out eight years ago, yes. But now I actually have a button that's right by the side of my bed that kills the bedroom. And anybody who's an electrician can help you do that.

That's, that's basically the, that's the kill switch.

It's not hard to do. The other thing is I also do not have anything plugged in my room at all. And the reason for that should be intuitive. If you don't kill the electric current in your bedroom, this is where some of the physics comes in. An electrified circuit still has an electric and a magnetic field. You don't want that when you sleep. So that's the reason why you really want to turn it off at the circuit box where you sleep. Now, if you leave it on and you have things plugged into the outlet, remember anything plugged into the outlet through its wires, through, you know, any kind of like extension cord you have that also generates an electric and magnetic field. And if you're a tool like I am, and you test all this, you're going to find out that anything that has an electric cord or extension or like, say the worst offender is when you have your computer tower all plugged into it and it's in your bedroom. Or a tv. You will not believe the amount of electromagnetic radiation that you're delivering when you sleep. And these are the things that hurt your sleep. These are the things that demolish them. And they're really easy to apply. Because the only one, I guess, that's tough is if you live in a city, it's kind of hard to turn it off. If you still have fuse boxes, you can actually pull the fuse out and do it that way. You're not really saving yourself, though, because all the other people around you, likely in the building, are also electrifying and magnetizing you as well. So that's another issue completely. But that's probably the simplest way for you to focus in on your home is focus in on the area where you sleep.

Now, in terms of something affecting the area where you sleep. And I think that's an awesome suggestion to get an electrician to put a kill switch in the bedroom just because that makes it easy, right. Rather than unplugging everything, per se. But another thing that's not in the bedroom that I've heard you talk about before is the WI FI radio signal from the. From a WI FI router in your home or unfortunately, even your neighbor's home if your. If your neighbor's house is close enough to you. But what do you do about that? What do you do about WI FI router?

I just turn it off. I mean, it's as simple as that. There's no reason for it to be on. With my kill switch, everything goes off. You know, we've got it wired. So anything that can generate a WI FI signal. I'll give you just a personal example. We found that one of the new refrigerators we bought on our new house had a smart meter in it. And I made sure that the electrician wired on the circuit that was with the kill switch that. That got turned off at night as well. Wow. So most people don't even realize it. Like, new washers, dryers, anything that uses remote. And I hate to tell everybody this, but just about anything out there now, everything's going to microwave technology. That's not good news for our biology. So you need to, like, probably sit down with your. Your lifestyle and see kind of how you live, see what you use. Like I'll give you, for example, many people use propane fireplaces. Well, those propane fireplaces almost all use RFID or microwave technology. So if you've got a remote, you got a problem. If you've got DirecTV or Dish or even some cable TV, almost all of Them are going to microwave technology. So if you use that or you have that stuff in your bedroom, that's something else for you to think. I tell everybody to take all that crap out of their bedroom just from a sleep hygiene perspective, because the last thing you need is blue light when you're sleeping.

Right? Right. Yeah. Now, do you. During the day, as far as the WI fi router goes, do you keep it on during the day or do you try when you're, you know. Because I know you do a lot of blogging and work on the computer. Do you keep the radio signal on the WI fi router turned off and just hardwire into it, or do you just kind of like turn it off when you sleep and have it on when you're awake?

Well, the interesting thing is usually I'm at work and I'm getting my ass kicked at a hospital, which is a far bigger risk. But, you know, my wife's at home and my wife is not a computer person, so we actually turn it off. I very rarely leave the WI FI on because the way I blog and the way I do things, my blogs, I usually write on a program called Scrivener. And it's very simple. I don't need WI fi to do it. I just type it in and save it directly on the computer, and then I upload it into WordPress. You know, when I'm getting ready to do it. Like, for example, you know, I'll have a blog post after I get back from Paris in a couple of weeks that'll be ready to go. But I don't. I tend to really limit my WI FI exposure. We've gone back to a lot of hardwired stuff. You know, we'll hardwire the computer that we use. My real risk then, to be quite honest with you, my n equals 1 are really from my job. And my house has been pretty much EMF proof. And I learned that lesson, you know, seven, eight years ago when I was in Nashville, because my house, I built an amazing man cave. I mean, most men came to see my. My place where I had my wine cellar, my football and all that. And they were just floored. And then when we tested it, I was floored.

Yeah.

And after spending all this money in this place, I very rarely went in there.

You know, if we get a chance later on, I want to talk to you about how a healthy man might be able to build kind of like the ideal recovery. Man, cave, man or woman. But you actually mentioned something a few minutes ago about microwaves. Now, as Far as the actual microwave oven itself, is there any issue with having a microwave oven in the kitchen? Like if you've purchased a house and the microwave oven is there in the.

Kitchen, take it out.

You should take it out. Why is that?

I just bought a brand new house eight months ago and the first thing I took out, literally the first thing I told the realtor, do not show me any houses with a smart meter from the utility company. Number two, I want to make sure that the electricity coming into the house is at least a full acre away from my front door. I also want to make sure that the transformer from the street is at least 150ft from the house. And obviously this limited is that the.

Microwave is releasing a microwave signal even when it's not in use.

Well, not any. Remember I told you before, anything that's plugged in, so if it's plugged into a circuit, it's a problem. Now you can put a kill switch on the microwave if you want, but I have another problem, microwave that I was just getting ready to tell you about. Most people don't know this, but within six months of you buying a microwave, if you look at your door, it has a seal and that seal almost always becomes ill fitting within six months. And when you put the microwave on and you test it with a trimeter, you will be absolutely shocked at how the trimeter spikes when the microwave oven is on. And if you happen to be one of the people that likes to watch your food cook like most people are, like most kids do, you are absolutely irradiating your upper torso when this happens.

Wow. Wow, that's scary. So toss the microwave out if you've got a house and I guess just put a nice piece of artwork in that hole in the kitchen where the microwave was. Right.

Well, I mean, I can tell you what's in mine now is actually, believe it or not, a dummy bread warmer. We don't eat bread and we don't. It's not electrified, so it just looks like a stainless steel drawer.

Oh, there you go. Nice, nice. You know, another thing you talk about quite a bit is water. And of course you have some very comprehensive blog posts over@jackcruise.com about the importance of water in the human body. But when it comes to the practical aspects of setting up the kind of like the perfect water scenario in your home, do you have suggestions for folks as far as like the proper way to filter water or structure water or the way that we should set up our water scenario?

Yeah, well, on my site I did a big EMF boot camp for people and this was a big, big topic because it's very, very confusing for people because again, it depends how you live your life. For example, if you live in a rural area versus an apartment, the things that you need to think about are far different. So I'll give you just some. I'll take it from the ideal state to different things for you to think about. The ideal state is to go build a house like Frank Lloyd Wright did called falling Water and have your own waterfall within the house. The best way to structure water naturally is to let the earth use its normal electromagnetic field on the water, collect it, then purify it utilizing charcoal. That's absolutely the best way to do it. The second best way, like if you're a modern human is, is probably to have a well. That's what I have in my house. And of course I tested the soil to make sure there was no crap in the well. But I have a well. And the reason why a well is good, you could probably figure out is because you're, you're basically in the native electromagnetic field of the Earth at 7.83 Hz. So that structures the water normally.

Yeah.

The only thing that you have to do to unstructured is basically pulled out of the ground through the pipe system. And remember the way water becomes unstructured through piping is anytime there's branch points that are 90 degree angles, you lose some of that ability. But here's the beautiful thing. If you have enough money, you can buy a magnetico sleep mattress. And this is what I started doing a long time ago. We pull our water out for drinking coffee, things like that, and we would just sit it on top of the magnetico like when we're at work all day and let it stay on it and then just put it, you know, in the fridge when we needed it. If you happen to be an apartment dweller, a lot of people, especially where I grew up in New York City, have basements. I tell people to, you know, go get 5 gallon non BPA containers either at Home Depot or Lowe's and put it in the basement and just let their water sit there and use it, you know, as they see fit. It really screws you, you know, when you're dealing with showers and things like that.

That's what I was going to ask you was it was if you do anything about, about the issue with, with showers and like water absorbing through your skin.

Yeah, well, I mean, I don't again, I'm a little bit of a particular kind of cat. When I built my place where all the docks live, I don't live. They live in a subdivision that's got fluoridated water where you can see the wife next door taking a shower. It's just not my bag of tea. I live out in the country. My next door neighbor has 2,500 acres. So my water is non fluoridated. It's well water. Even my grass that I walk on barefoot is irrigated by well water.

But do you worry at all about structuring the water that you shower in or bathe in, or is it primarily your drinking water that you would use, for example, like put on a, in a pitcher and put on the magnetico sleep mattress?

The only water that I really worry about. I don't worry too much about showering water where I live. Now, if you live in a city, that's a different ballgame, but I don't. The water that I worry the most about where I live is actually my swimming pool. And when I built the house and I put the well down, I made sure that I had big enough pipe that I could pull out high volume water to fill it up. But ironically, since I've only been there for a year, I've decided not to empty my pool in the winter because I live down on the Gulf coast, so I don't really have to. In fact, I was in the pool last night, it was 80 degrees here. Wow. So.

And do you use. That's exactly what I was going to ask you, what you use to filter.

I have a soft water pool, but I don't want anybody to think that salt water absolves you of the chlorine bromine factor because even saltwater pools still use halogens. So even though you think you're doing well by yourself, there's still a detriment. But compared to, say, a chlorinated pool, that's an issue. I had an ozonator on my pool that really worked well, but the problem was they kept breaking and it was a real issue. But when I first built the pool, the ozonator was on it for the first six months and then it wound up costing me several thousand dollars going through the ozonators. So I've gone straight to saltwater. And the amount of chlorine that I'm dealing with is not very bad at all.

Yeah. Yeah, Interesting. So that's kind of the water scenario. I like it. And by the way, as Jack and I are talking, I'm taking some notes for the podcast show notes for those of you who want to go check out some of this stuff, like the sleep mattress he talks about or that EMF boot camp that he mentioned. I'll put all the links over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com now. Jack, how about lighting? I've heard you talk a little bit about lighting and like lighting systems and light bulbs. Do you have specific light bulbs that you think are best for a house?

You're going to like my answer here, no light bulbs. How's that? In my house, if you come over.

At night, just torches, baby.

You'll see. Yeah. Why I have fireplaces. And I will tell you, Ben, even when I was in Nashville, I used real wood burning fireplace and my favorite light. Anybody who's just at my recent Christmas party will attest to this. I save all of my old wine bottles and I put lantern kerosene in there and I have something called Aveeno Glow and that's what I use all over my house. And literally I have probably 50 or 60 of them in different places.

That is awesome. What I do, I'm writing down this idea for myself. Even though I don't have that many.

Wine bottles, when I do use light at night, it tends to be red amber bulbs. Better choice is LED versus anything else just because it lowers the amount of disruption of melatonin. In the past, like when I used to read at night quite a bit like out of a book, it was hard to see. I would use a thing from the Bass outlet store that was like a headlight that a miner would use. That was a red light. It was low, and after about five or six minutes, your eyes adapt and you can read perfectly well with it. Right now I can read with a vino glow very easily with no problem. And I mean, literally, I use them everywhere. I have them everywhere in my house because we just had a whole bunch of people over. One of my new friends that I just met who is a big rock climber and goes all over the world to do it, he made the comment. He goes, this is absolutely, you know, amazing how many of these wine bottles you have all over. When you light them up, the house is really well lit.

So tell me how you do this. Like, how do you actually, how would you take a wine bottle and make this into a light?

It's the simplest thing in the world. You hopefully you drink good wine, you save the wine bottle, then you go to Walmart or Kmart or Target and you look for a lantern fueling source. They usually cost about 4 bucks for 32 ounces. Get a funnel, pour it into the wine bottle, and then there's this wick that connects to a ceramic attachment that has a heating piece of glass that goes right over the neck of the wine bottle. And it's called the vino Glowing. Spelled it V I, N O dash G, L O. And I think there's a website called vinoglo.com. i literally have 50 of them everywhere in my house. And you basically wait until the wick gets soaked with the camping fluid and put it on, and you will just rock your house. Plus, when people come over, they just think it's the coolest thing ever.

That is awesome. I'm definitely writing down this idea. I'll put a link to that in the show notes, too. For those of you who want to check out Vino Glow, I'll find it and put a link for you. So that's how you light your home. We've talked about water, a little bit about lighting, a little bit about sleep. Now, I wanted to touch on exercise. Jack, do you have a home gym or do you have kind of, like, preferences as far as, like, home workout equipment or setting up your home as a place to exercise?

Yeah, everybody has a home gym, Ben, and they just don't know it. It's called the environment. It's called nature. It's called the forest called rocks. It's called moving naturally. It's called embracing your inner animal. See, the problem is guys who have gyms, and I will tell you that up until a couple years ago, I had a very exquisite home gym. And when I moved, I literally sold every last bit of it because I stopped using. I started actually going out and climbing on trees. And what people don't realize when you start doing is these trees are connected to the ground. That means you're actually getting grounding effect. And it doesn't matter, you know, rain, shine, or any time, go out and do it. Climbing on rocks. One of the places I grew up in when I was a little kid, never realized I was doing this until recently when I met my new friend Jeremy Tomley, who's a huge rock climber. All those big, huge granite formations in Central Park, I used to climb on them all the time, Ben. And, you know, when I got a little bit older, like 7, 8, 9 years old, you know, instead we went to, you know, a park and climbed on monkey bars and things like that, and we became zoo animals. And that's not what we're designed to do. We are designed to be creatures of movement.

Yeah.

And you know, you know that I'm a neurosurgeon, but I will tell people that you need to understand our movements, our sensory perceptions, and our receptors are wired directly into our motor cortex. And this is why just about every single neurodegenerative disease shows that exercise improves cognitive function. So the way we move naturally is built into our evolutionary design. So if you tell me you're going to bike, you're going to, you know, lift weights, you're going to pick up kettlebells and this and that, well, that's all well and good, but that's not my idea of what the ideal exercise is. The ideal exercise outside of everybody's house. I want you to start looking at trees and rocks and hills and different things in your own environment differently. That should be your. Your natural obstacle course, and those should be the things you do build your kids a tree house. A tree house is a great way for you not only to help your own kids, but also to help yourself. Do something outdoors. Tie into nature, Tie into that tree that's been in your house for 120 years. It's just amazing to me how disconnected we've gotten from our natural environment. And it's really. It's really something that's just happened the last 120 years.

Yeah, you know, I hadn't really thought about that too much, how climbing, like a granite rock formation or climbing a tree was actually at the same time kind of enhancing the grounding or earthing effect as well. That's. That's pretty cool. I love that.

Huge effect, you know, and when one of my new friends that, you know, I just met, he actually came to my, my Christmas party I mentioned earlier. His name's Jeremy Tomley. He's got a website. You should check it out sometime because you and him are kind of bedfellows. It's called mohawksteel company Calm. And he's a cat with cystic fibrosis who was told that he was going to die at 6 years old. He's now 31 years old. And this guy goes and climbs with no shoes, no hands all over the world. And, you know, when I met him, I told him, I said, jeremy, part of the reason why you live so long is because you don't realize you live in existence and you do exercise that completely keeps you grounded to the earth while you're also in the photoelectric effect of the sun. And he just looked at me because he doesn't understand the science, because. Are you kidding me? I said, no, I'm Not. And he sat down with me the last six months, and I've explained all this to him, and he's just absolutely floored about how much better he feels when he does certain things. And I try to explain to him, this is the reason why. I said the reason why that you gravitated to rock climbing is because your disease mandates it. Your disease requires you to do this, and you don't even know. You're not even aware of it on a conscious level, but subconsciously, your central nervous system is directing you to do this.

Yeah, I'm actually. I went over to his website. I'm looking at him right now. The dude's a beast. I'll definitely link to this. For folks who want to go check out Jeremy Tomley's blog in the show notes. And this Mohawk Steel Company. This looks way cool. I'm gonna have to explore this now. Okay, cool. So we've talked about exercise and the home gym. And by the way, folks, I would definitely listen to the podcast that I did with Daryl Edwards, the Fitness Explorer. If you want to look into kind of like using the outdoors for fitness a little bit more. Let's talk about recovery. Jack, if you could biohack kind of like a perfect. And this returns to what I was mentioning about a man cave. Like the perfect recovery type of scenario. Like if you were going to have like a float tank or like an infrared sauna or one of these things in your home that could help you to recover, or a combination of any of them, what would be your ultimate perfect recovery scenario?

I gotta tell you, Ben, I laughed when you sent the questions to Haley for me to look at because to my new house. Jeremy was over there. He remarked about my bathroom. He goes, I've never seen a bathroom like this in my life because that's what I built. I built a recovery room for when I'm in the operating room. It's got a fireplace in it. It's got a special cola tub that has infrared light, specifically only red light.

A tub that has infrared lights in it. And what. What just. Just for people who are listening in, what those infrared lights do for them.

What people don't understand. And this, this is maybe where we'll have to get into a little bit of physics. What I want people to understand is every cell in our body has a cell membrane. This, the resting membrane potential of everybody, including all life, is big time negative. When you really look at it, it's amazing how negative it is. That negative charge sets up the redox potential in your body. When you have inflammation, say, from exercise or a triathlon, like you do, that generates a positive charge. What people don't really understand is the electromagnetic force, which is the strongest force in nature, only acts on charged particles. So you may begin to understand that the background of how life has to act is on a negatively charged film. The things that we do in the environment create a positive charge, and the brain senses that positive and negative. That positive and negative creates, you know, spatial maps. And that's actually what determines how we recover. Now, if you're understanding all this, remember that light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, right? And blue light is very oxidizing, meaning it's very positive. And red light happens to be very negative. In other words, it brings us back to our resting membrane potential. That's also the reason why red light happens to stimulate sleep and it increases melatonin levels. If you are interested in recovery, I tell people, and I've told you this before, that I don't look at food as proteins, carbohydrates, and fats. I look at food as protons and electrons. That's what really makes me different. Maybe you're beginning to understand why I do. Because the whole film of what life acts on is negative and positively charged particles. So the goal when I see food is I think about the photoelectric effect. The photoelectric effect is how sunlight is codified in foods. Well, let's take it to light for recovery. We want as much red light around us as possible, since humans and basically all life forms are designed to eat sunlight. And I mean that literally and figuratively when I say it, because that's what we're doing when we eat food. But with recovery, you should be eating red light. Now, infrared also, you know, helps, but that. That effect is a little bit different. But red light can be delivered underneath your tongue, intranasally, through your eyes, even through your skin. So in my tub, I have, I think it's nine lights around me, and I can set the frequency exactly how I want it, say, for a day when I'm in the operating room putting tentacle screws and working around, you know, X rays, which are very ionizing radiation. That means that's a day that I'm going to need a lot of CT and I'm going to need a lot of red light. So those are the things that, you know, that I do in my bathroom that I have set up. I usually will make a fire. I will be the only light that I'll have. And I'll be in this huge tub. And I can fit both me and my wife in this tub. And the tub overflows into another tub.

Nice. By the way, just to interrupt you real quick, are you talking about like infrared light bulbs that you can just get like off of Amazon or from Home Depot or whatever?

They're very easy to buy these days. I mean, probably seven, eight, nine years ago, they were tough to find. But when I went out and specifically looked for this tub, I made sure that I dealt with the manufacturer where these bulbs are easily interchangeable. And Kohler, you know, has a tub just like that. But it's not limited to Kohler. There are several other options. It was just for my bathroom design that this, you know, 10 foot by 4 foot wide tub was perfect for what I was looking to build. I put it in and it's got all these red lights in it. And I activate also believes it not has a ozonator on it, so I can alter that effect. And he used to have a vibrating thing in there. And I told him, take that crap out because that would make too much emf. Right.

When you say an ozonator, you're just talking about those ozone generator. Are they air purifiers or water purifiers or both?

Yeah, they are. And they're made. I'm trying to think of the name. I think it's called Zern. Zern makes them.

Okay.

I think that's who mine is. Mine's made by Zern. And they also do the water system in my house. And the reason I use them is because the. The entire system is where all the electric crap is, is far away from where our living space is. And they were able to do that. And it also generates both hot and cold water immediately, you know, which obviously with my CT protocol is a big deal for me. So that's kind of how I do it. I also have music in there if I want to use it to soothe me. I actually also use ultrasound waves, like if I'm really having a bad day. But the one major effect that we haven't talked about that you may find very interesting is I will do something that I talked about in my hot tub, probably to my people on my site. But I now can do it in my bedroom, I should say in my bathroom. I use a fournier effect where I can actually heat the water up to use infrared light in the water and then on my torso, place cooling strips all over to do ct. And what I'm looking to do is I'm looking to get a temperature differential of about 40 to 50 degrees from my lower half to my upper half. And that's called the Fournier effect. And I've told my people on my site during my webinars why I do it because it increases the current flow on our semiconductors in our body. And it's very, very helpful for regeneration. And it's something that you probably should look into, especially considering some of the things that you put your body through, because it's a huge effect.

Now what did you call that? The Fournier effect?

Yeah, Fournier effect. You spell it F O U R N I E R apostrophe S. And it's a physics effect. It's very, very difficult mathematics. But the take home is basically what you're looking to do. It's basically using thermocoupling, where you use hot and low temperature. One of the effects that most people do know about, if you take two dissimilar metals and put them together, it's called Peltier's triangle. That's actually how you can actually generate cold from an electric current from two dissimilar metals. Well, you can do the same thing utilizing water of two different temperatures. So believe it or not, are you.

Using like, are you using actual cold water or. You mentioned cooling strips. Are you using like these cooling strips that are like the chemical cooling strips you'd use for like a, like a headache or something like that?

I use a lot of different things, Ben. Like I told you, I'm a tool. If I'm working around a lot of X rays in surgery, like putting a lot of hardware in, I will actually use metal strips. And do I advocate that to people? No, because you can get in a lot of trouble if you don't know what you're doing. Because metal really transmits cold very quickly. And that's what plastic surgeons use, you know, when they do cool sculpting. I don't recommend that to anybody unless they know what they're doing, you know, And I did a webinar like two years ago about deep ct and we talked about how I use that stuff there. But most people are going to use ice, they're going to use, you know, cooling strips, like gel pads, they're going to use the rice cakes, you know, where you can freeze them. I even have some of my members use frozen peas in a bag.

Yeah, well, you know, ever since I started using cold thermogenesis protocols, my wife gets just annoyed as hell because our freezer is always full of these different kinds of cooling packs and varying sizes and you know, everything from the, from the cool fat burning vest, huge frozen pack, to these tiny little frozen peas packs that I, that I put in different spots and yeah, it's pretty amazing the variety of different ways you can alter your body's temperature. But I was just curious if you were.

You can.

Now you're keeping one section of your body cold while you're keeping another section warm. So you're doing like lower body warm and then like cooling on the upper body. When you're using this infrared pool, are you using anything like, like Epsom salts or magnesium salts or anything like that in there to kind of get a float tank effect?

Yeah, I always use Epsom salts. I mean, again, I know you and I probably haven't talked about my members know that I tell everybody as soon as you get in to a tub, no matter what you're doing, you need to use Epsom salts.

Have you ever used magnesium bath flakes, like with the magnesium? I know those are more expensive than the Epsom salts. That's, that's what I use.

They actually work good and usually can get pretty good deals if you buy them in bulk. Oh, yeah, I've used that. You know, those are, those are steps that I'll go to when my risk levels are up. You know, certain days where I'm not in the operating room, I don't have to do this stuff. But the days that I'm in the operating room, like, for example, I told you, I'm down in New Orleans right now. I had a pretty restful day yesterday, but believe it or not, last night I was doing deep CT in the pool in New Orleans. It happened to be really nice. It was 80 degrees out, but the pool was 57 degrees. And I got the heating effect by running from the hot tub to the pool consistently. And a couple of my friends were there looking at me like, dude, I don't know how you do this, but I try to explain to them all the moving, all the lifting, all the stuff that we're doing, I was trying to recover so I would feel good today so I could get, you know, up. I had to get up early this morning to go to the Apple store to get my computer fixed. So I knew I was not going to have a lot of sleep. I was only going to have about six hours of sleep. So I think about my life. I mean, people are probably going, you know, I don't know if I plan that far in advance, but I know what you do, and I'm sure that you think about these Things as well. And I don't think people need to do this like I'm doing it, but I live a lifestyle that puts me at risk like you do. And I just want people to understand there's a lot of things that we all can do if you just think about things and then apply what you, you need to based on how you live your life.

Yeah, yeah, it's a great point. And you know, again, I know some people are probably chuckling at some of these concepts, like building up a room with, with a tub that has infrared light bulbs and an ozonator and you know, sound waves and magnesium bath flakes and, you know, all this stuff. But some of this stuff is super duper practical too. Like, like a, like unplugging your question for a minute.

People that are chuckling at this, they have no problem going out and spending 30 or $40,000 on an outside kitchen, you know, with TVs and Bose speakers. It's the same thing. And the crazy thing is that stuff will get you sick. This stuff will keep you well. So you may think it's crazy until you really understand the science behind it. And if you're interested in being well and healthy and not, you know, deprecated when you're 60 or 70 years old, I think your attitude will change.

Yeah, absolutely. Jack, this is awesome information. Is there anything that we haven't talked about that you wanted to touch on as far as like biohacking a healthy home or making your home a healthier place to live?

Yeah, there's one other thing that I think people can do that's really cheap, especially if you are married or you say, just have a cool roommate. I think massage is another one. In fact, tonight at 6:30, I'm going out an hour and a half massage. It's something that I do a lot, I tend to do at least once a week. I actually massage my wife just about every night. It's something that she's come to really enjoy. It started off a little bit quirky, but I think it's something that we can do with each other. And not only that, it's another way for you to actually share electrons with each other.

Interesting.

It's, you know, it's one of the. It's one of those things where it doesn't cost anything except maybe some of the time for you to think to do it. And you know, you don't have to do it for 90 minutes. You can rub each other or give each other a foot massage while you're watching TV or whatever you're doing for five or 10 minutes that I think makes a difference.

Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point. And that there's a, there's a, there's a pretty big effect on, on neurotransmitters as well. I always make it a point when I'm down near Sacramento to go visit fascial therapist down there named Herb Akers who I've had in the podcast before. And he does a lot of research on fascia and neurotransmitter production. And it's pretty amazing, like how much it can change some of the stuff we already talked about, like sleep and recovery. I personally use a lot of home soft tissue or therapy devices, you know, like a lacrosse ball and I've got a foam roller with little ridges that stick out of it. But you definitely don't get that personal touch and that electron sharing effect that you mentioned when you, when you're doing massage. So, yeah, I love it.

Well, cool.

We've covered a ton of stuff, Jack, and for those of you listening in, I'll be sure to put links to all this stuff in the show notes. I know that Jack also has this EMF boot camp where he delves into a lot more of the electromagnetic field stuff. I think we just scratched the surface on that, so I definitely check that out. And I'll also link to the other podcasts that we've had with Jack where we talk about ketosis, cold thermogenesis, nutrition. And I'll also link over to his website, which is one of the blogs that I personally follow on a religious basis in terms of, of reading the, the materials that he produces over there. Really, really cool stuff. So, Jack, thank you so much for coming on the call today.

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