How To Easily Measure The Human Energy Field, "Chakras", Organ Function & More.

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Hey folks, it's Ben Greenfield. And it was about four months ago at a biohacking summit in London that I watched on stage my friend and fellow biohacker and self quantifying nerd Reuben Salinas, who's actually been on this show before, give a fascinating presentation that revealed a host of these cutting edge methods that Ruben uses to keep his body and brain optimized. And he mentioned that each day he sticks his finger in a device called a bio well, which measures parameters like his chakras and energy field and even the health of specific organs. And although I was skeptical, I was actually quite intrigued by some of the graphics that Rubin was displaying of the measurement of these fields and, and how one could actually quantify energy produced by the human body and even the energetic, I suppose, potential or frequencies expressed by different organs. So I did some research into this device called the biowell. And I discovered my guest today who joins us from St. Petersburg, Russia. His name is Dr. Konstantin Korotkov and he's professor of Physics at the St. Petersburg Federal Research University of Informational Technologies in St. Petersburg. And he's well known for his research on the human energy field. He developed something called gas discharge visualization, or GDV as it's more popularly known among the self quantifying nerd community. And he was involved with the development of this biowell device. So during our discussion, we're going to jump into what GDV is, what this thing that you stick your finger into does, how you can measure the energy in not just your body, but also the Environment surrounding you and much more. So, Dr. Korotkov, thank you for coming on the show.

Okay, thank you. Same game. It's a pleasure for me.

So this gas discharge visualization, I'm just curious, tell me the story here. Was this something where you're just tinkering in your physics lab and you discover a way to visualize the human body by sticking one's finger in a device? Or walk me through how this development of gas discharge visualization was developed and how you play a role in this.

Okay. In principle, it's a long story. It started in 18th century when German physicist George Lichtenberg found light coming from different subjects in electromagnetic field. So it is a physical effect that was known for now more than 1200 years. Then it was found in 19th century that this faint light coming from human body has some connection with psychological features, physiological features, state of health. And it was a lot of research done, even by Tesla, known everywhere. Then in 20th century, it was many people who did it. But it became known to the world due to Russian scientists, family Kirillyan.

Okay.

In mid-90s of last century, they redeveloped this effect. They've been studying this again. They found this faint line coming from fingers and tones. Depends on psychological features. And they developed this way how to make a photography of this. Again, there wasn't the first, but it became known to the world as Kirlian photography.

And how do you pronounce that? Kilion photographing.

Kylian photographing.

Okay. Is that, how is that spelled? K E U L I N I.

R L I N. K I R.

L I A N. So what, what they developed, and this, this was later on in the 1900s, was the ability to actually take photographs of the. The power produced by an object such as a body.

Absolutely. So it was, it became very popular. And you can find hundreds of papers, articles, tens of books published on this topic in 19 20th century and became known in the United States due to Thelma Moss and Kendall Johnson, who've been visiting Russia, Soviet Union by that time, of course. And they published book Science behind the Iron Curtain, where they described a lot of different type of research. I should tell that in Soviet Union it was a lot of money and attention spent by the government on psyche research, really, because.

Why is that?

Because they were developing ways of, for example, communicating between people. And I was personally involved in studying telepathy. Telepathy, Communication with submarines, with satellites, with our cosmic station. Satellite station. And it was well developed by that time. So another topic, it was psychic control of people and mind control.

So the psychic control of people and mind control of people. You're starting to freak me out now. But when you say that, you're saying that somehow the research behind gas discharge visualization photography in Russia was linked to this idea of being able to psychically control people.

What we study and now we using name electrophotonic imaging, so it's much easier to understand and to pronounce. So this electrophotonic imaging allow us to come deep into understanding of human psychology and physiology. Now, we are based in medical research on four, I would say I name it four pillars of biowell analysis. Those are, first of all, endocrine system. This is a gastrointestinal tract, our digestive system. Those are autonomic system, sympathetic parasympathetic balance, and our emotions and stress. And if we can make analysis of all those topics, we can have very clear understanding what's going on with people.

Right. So essentially you'll take each of the different body systems from the endocrine system to varying organs. And when you use this GDV technique, you're analyzing the actual emission, the, the. The light emission produced by the human body.

Absolutely. So what we do.

Wait, wait, wait. I want to back it up real quick before you get into what you do like, because I need to close this loop. What does this have to do with telepathy?

How. Absolutely.

Yeah.

Again, Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, I go step by step.

Okay.

So as we can have excess to understanding what's going on in the body. And in parallel we have another subdivision of our problem that allows us to see psychological emotional response of people, their stress level. Then we can see how they respond to different interventions. For example, let's imagine experiment, someone is sitting on submarine under the water. Another person sitting in St. Pilgrim or in Moscow. They are wired to different technology. Of course. It is electrons holography. It is measuring brain waves. It is our GDV equipment. And we see response of people being in the state of deep meditation, to signal sent by other person. So we have a sender who is sending signals at some moment. And we have a recipient whose subconscious response to those signals. Do you understand the principle?

Okay, got it, got it. So what you're doing is almost a form of. I suppose it'd be something similar to like biofeedback, for example, in which you are analyzing what someone's response is to anything from meditation to hypnosis, from another person, to words or thought patterns projected at them by another person, to environmental signals, I would imagine, like temperature, you know, heat and cold. To stress levels, et cetera. And you're trying to figure out a way to visualize someone's actual organ response or nervous system response or any other body system response to what's going on in their environment, including what people around them are doing.

Yes, thank you very much. You got it. I can give you another example, very clear example. We know that we all have cycles. We can tell about circadian cycle during the day, we can tell about monthly cycle, year cycle. And this is very important for doctors and for psychologists to understand those cycles. So one of the way to measure the cycle is by measuring saliva. And this way we can measure the level of cortisol through saliva. So we know that cortisol should be high in the morning. Then you're full of energy. You can do a lot of things in your work day. Then it's slowly coming down. It may have a little bit ups and downs during the day, but then it's coming down at night. So you are sleepy, you go to sleep, and then when you sleep, it coming up again. But to measure it, it's very complicated. With biowell, we can reach same result. We can follow up this cycle in a very precise way by a very simple measurement.

So when you're using the analogy that you've just described, for example, you obviously, as you've alluded to, normally one would need to take a salivary or say like a urine hormone panel to determine cortisol measurements throughout the day, which can be inconvenient and cause one to need to, you know, send results back and forth to a lab. For example, what you're saying is that via the use of something like gas just discharge visualization, you can, you can keep a running value of something like cortisol values throughout the day. And I understand what you're saying there, but how is that actually visualized? Like what? Like. Because obviously, you know, in a typical situation, you look at like nanograms per deciliter of cortisol or something like that. Like, if you were to look at the results of gas discharge visualization, how is cortisol, I guess, visualized or quantified using the analogy that you've given?

Okay, so first of all, let us use the term bio. Well, because this our latest development, our latest instrument and the most popular at the moment. So with biowell, we are measuring human.

Energy.

And in reality, from physical point of view, we are measuring energy of light coming from fingers. Then we are using ideas of traditional Chinese medicine to make connections between different fingers and different organs and systems based on so named Chinese mediums. You know that we have a lot of now correlation and a lot of clinical studies that make correlation between level of cortisol, level of different hormones level, blood pressure, different physiological parameters. And it's, it's, it's demonstrated that we have about 80% precision in correlations. So when we are measuring energy, for example, during the day and we do it for athletes on regular basis, then we can see this variation of energy that has very precise correlation with level of cortisol. So it's just parallel measurements done for laboratory study. Then we can tell. Okay, so we did it for experiments, now we can do same for our athletes. And we show this to them, to their culture and tell them, look, you have this level of energy in the morning and this level of variation of this energy. And if you have this particular level of energy day by day in training time, then you are very well prepared for competition.

Okay, got it. So let's go ahead and delve into the actual technology here. Walk me through how one can stick one's finger in this little device. And I'm looking at it and I'll put a photo by the way, and also some more information over in the show notes. If you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Biowell just like it sounds, as in biology wellness BenGreenfieldFitness.com biology bio well, it's almost like this little box, you know, like, like a, you know, the size of several cell phones stacked on top of one another that it appears that, that you put your finger into. Walk me through what's going on from a technology standpoint as far as how you could stick your finger into this and actually get information about an organ system or about cortisol. How is that being done?

First of all, this technology is based on the most modern achievements in electronics, in optics, in computer science. So this is really the latest development and we use, we follow up the latest trend in all those fields because I'm professor in big university and I'm traveling worldwide. So we know what's going on worldwide in all these technologies. So when you apply your finger to the electrode that's inside this box, then at electrode, we apply very short electrical impulses. It's microseconds. So millions fracture of a second. And this impulse stimulates emission of photons and electrons from the subject. So we just pump out photons from the body.

Okay. So basically when I put my finger into this device, I'm getting an electrical current that's applied to my fingertip for a Very, very short period of time. And when the body gets shocked, even if it's a very, very tiny shock, it responds by producing light photons. Do I understand correctly?

Yes, absolutely. So, but this current is on the level of current exchange between cel. So it's so tiny that it's totally, absolutely non invasive. Even more than that, this current is stimulating current, so it helps the body to activate the particular medium. Because as I mentioned, we are based on idea of medium and from research mediums. Thus a transfer of electronic sighted states along connective tissues.

Okay, so, so when my finger releases a bunch of light energy photons, how does that then go on to indicate what's going on with the rest of my body? How do you go from finger to the rest of the body then?

That's the most interesting part of the story. And it took me almost 20 years of deep, deep research, even 30 years of deep research to find these correlations. It's all based on a lot of clinical trials. We were collaborating with more than 20 different universities worldwide. It was top medical universities in Russia, in Moscow, in St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Vladivostok, other cities. It was medical universities in the United States, States, in France, in England, in London. So in all universities they did their part of the study. For example, one university, they've been studying different types of cancer. It was in Moscow, in Georgia, in Bbilisi, in United States, all in different. And we found the way how we can detect particular type of cancer using sophisticated mathematics. And it's published on very good journals.

Okay, so, so what you're saying is that if you were to take someone with say cancer and subject them to a series of electrical pulses, whether via the finger or or to other parts of the body, they're going to produce photons which you are photographing and then you have a way to produce some kind of a, an image of what's going on in terms of their body, the amount of, I suppose, light or electricity that that person is discharging.

Yes, absolutely. But of course we never tell about cancer because it's next step in FDA to prove it and it's our next level of development. Now we tell not about detecting some diagnosis, but on doing some energy analysis. Because diagnosis, it's conclusion that may be done by medical doctor or medical professional based on different analysis. So we give energy analysis, we provide it for medical doctors, for medical professionals. And then based on this, based on blood analysis, on different type of conclusions, they can mix their own conclusion.

Okay, got it. So does the actual, sorry to Interrupt. But does the, does the photograph of a person say with cancer? Like, how does it change? How does it compare to someone who say, does not have cancer? What are you looking for in this photograph?

We have very sophisticated mathematical analysis. So it's all based on mathematical analysis. Every program that we present, for example, we present image of energy field around the body. We present image of chakras, we present image of different yin yang mediums. It's all based on very precise ideas how it may be related with organisms and than on sophisticated nonlinear mathematics.

Okay, got it. So as far as the actual things that are being measured, when I put my finger into a device like this, then it generates an image of my body. What is it that I am seeing? If I were to do this on a daily basis, let's jump down to the brass tacks. And as far as actionable information one can collect about their body by, not to use this term too much, but sticking your finger into this bio. Well, what can I, what can I learn? What are some of the practical applications of this?

Okay, first of all, you determine, determine your level of stress. That's number from 0 to 10. You determine your level of energy. Those are numbers again from 0 to 100. And over there we have optimal level that's in green zone. And we have level of increased or dangerous. So it's all like green light, yellow light, red light that shows up what's going on. Then we have different diagrams that show interrelation of energy with organs and systems. And for every organ and systems, we have parameters that define whether it is in optimal range based on hundreds of thousands of apparently healthy people, or it is in some range which needs attention. So based on all these problems, trained doctor or practitioner can define, okay, first of all, what issues people have, whether it is related to level of stress, whether it is related to level of anxiety, how it influenced endocrine system, how it influenced, for example, different digestive tract features, how it influenced autonomic nervous system, how its interrelation between all those. Because what we are doing, it's a part of new trend in medicine. It's a part of preventive medicine. So the goal of this trend is not to treat problems, severe problems. No severe problems. We have our powerful medical means and our medicine is quite powerful to treat severe problems.

Okay. Yeah. And you know, I'm actually looking over a booklet and I'll link to this in the show notes over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com booklet bio. Well, you have a little book called Electrophotonic analysis. In medicine where you go through some of the research that has actually been done on GDV and one of the. Well, you actually list a wide variety of conditions in this book like autism and bronchial asthma and pregnancy, et cetera. And perhaps pregnancy would be a good one to start with here. What you're saying is that, for example, someone could put their finger into this device and it would show a specific pattern that you guys have found through testing. A whole bunch of people would be a light based pattern that is consistent with someone who is pregnant or consistent with someone who has autism or consistent with someone who has at that time a high amount of salivary cortisol. Things along those lines.

Okay, absolutely, absolutely. So we have all these parameters and all those features that allows trained people to define. For example, let's talk about pregnancy. It's a good example. You can imagine a pregnant lady in the morning, apply just two fingers to the electrode and she has green light, everything's fine. Yellow light, be careful, stay at home, home, don't go to the party or red light, please call your doctor because you need some attention. It's all based on signal that we got only from two ring fingers. And as I've mentioned, we are doing complicated analysis of the signal. And then we can define potential problems with miscarriage. You know that it's a big problem all over the world, potential miscarriage. And it's easy, it's totally non invasive that you can do it every moment. If she feels that something is not very good with her, she can define whether it is just some dizziness or it needs serious attention of medical doctor. And if program tells her okay, please call your doctor, then she calls doctor and that's it.

Interesting. And I'm looking at some GDV images and it looks, it kind of reminds me, Konstantin of Iridology, this concept that you can take a high resolution photograph of one's iris. And I'm actually, I'm doing a podcast episode on this soon and determine specific parameters, very detailed parameters about someone's health by photographing their eye. In this case, you have pictured in this little. And again, I'll link to this in the notes what a perfectly healthy photograph of a finger would look like versus a person who's showing different positive or negative symptoms depending on how their finger actually produced light in response to this electrical stimulus. So I suppose if I'm understanding correctly, when the finger produces this light, it is when looked at under the eyes of a trained practitioner who knows how to read these GDV results. You can actually tell just by looking at almost like a fingerprint what's going on inside the body.

Absolutely. You're absolutely right. And it's very good example of iridology because we have very precise correlation with radiology conclusions and our conclusions.

Could I, could I measure with this something like an acute reaction? Let's say I eat a food and I want to know if I'm allergic to that food. If there's like some kind of an acute, acute physiological reaction to that food. Can this be used for n equals 1 experiments like that? In an acute sense?

Of course. Even more than that, you don't need to eat this food to see response of your body.

What do you mean?

It's enough to take measurements from your fingers and then you can take this food, this product in one hand and we take measurement from another hand and you will see response.

Oh, you mean like muscle testing or cardio testing or something like that?

You see, it's all response of our subconscious mind and doesn't matter whether it's response of muscles or response of energy.

I'm skeptical. Are you saying that the energy field produced by, let's say, let's just use a stupid analogy. Let's say an egg. I'm holding an egg in my hand and I'm allergic to eggs. Without me actually consuming that egg and it producing like, like an IgG or IgE antigenic response to say like the albumins or the other proteins in that egg. How is it that photography of my energy fields is telling me that I am allergic to that egg? What exactly is going on with, with the egg and with me to allow for determination of something like that?

You see? Yeah, your body would understand that this egg is not good for you because you have this previous experience and your subconscious mind knows that this particular product is not good for you. So that's why it would be response. Like in kinesiology test. You don't know what you keep in your hand or what touch your skin, but then your body responses. Same. Same principle here. Because we are mostly based on our subconscious mind, our front law. It's just a little part of what's going on in our mind. We receive signals from environment every fraction of a second. But our subconscious mind make analysis of all those signals and then separate what should be sent or allowed to penetrate conscious mind.

So as far as this device goes, talk to me a little bit about usage. Is this something that people would wake up in the morning and put their finger in for like a minute? Is it like an hour Long measurement. What are the practical aspects of using this type of equipment?

Okay, first of all, of course, it is designed for professionals, for medical professionals, for practitioners, for people who are involved in alternative complementary medicine who are doing different type of treatment would be conventional technique or non conventional treatment. Because they can define what's going on with people before and then it allows them and helps them to define their way of treatment. For example, we did a lot of study in medical universities of people before and after surgery. And it was found that there are very specific parameters that tell us what is, is really significant for people if they have surgery and whether it is sometimes it's better not to make surgery when people are not ready for this. So this is the first and the most important application for professionals in different field in conventional, alternative and classical medicine. Next level, this is sport and for athletes. Now we use it for all Olympic Paralympic teams of Russia. And now in Rio de Janeiro, there will be a lot of athletes who are using our system because again, it allows them to define their level of energy in the morning, at night, and to see their cycle and to see in what conditions they are, whether they need some rest or they need extra training, and whether they are ready, how their emotional state. And then our professional psychologist can help them to be prepared.

Okay, got it. So in terms of this technology, if I understand correctly, you can not only use it to say, discover information about your own body, but also information about your environment. And you have this biowell device that you put your finger into, but then you also have this thing called a Sputnik that if I understand correctly, is used to measure the environment. How does that work and what exactly is that?

Yes, absolutely. We name it environment energy sensor. It is special application to biowell that allows to measure the parameters of environment. We name it an energy of. Of environment. But in reality, of course, there are some parameters, you know, that we have different situations in environment that depends on the weather, on sun position, on sun flakes, on geomagnetic situation. And of course it all reflects on our health. So it is very important to have simple and affordable instrument that would allow to take these measurements. So we have this instrument, we have this sensor and it is based on very interesting physical effect. I can tell you, of course, in physical terms, I maybe have audience who would understand it. So it is. It depends on propagation of standing electromagnetic waves in space and capacitance of the environment. So if it's understandable.

So let's say that I've got like mold or fungi or I want to Find out if there's like mold, older fungi in my basement. Could I use something like this to, to determine that? Is that what you're referring to when you say environment?

Of course, sure. You'll detect signals and we have parameters that we name energy of the environment, activation level of environment. And this level may be normal, in normal range or very high range. So if you see that this range is high, then it's not very good for life. For example, we can measure in the bedroom and we can define particular place where there are not beneficial for life. And we suggest people to move their bed maybe 2 meters away or 3 meters away and then they have much better sleep than before.

Interesting. Do you, do you use this in your own personal day to day routine? I mean, are you walking around with one of these devices, devices like, like this Sputnik and this biowell tucked into your briefcase and just kind of pulling it off to keep constant tabs in your body and your environment? Or how do you personally, from a practical standpoint, use these in your own life?

First of all, I carry it with me all the time when I'm traveling, when I'm coming to somewhere.

You carry, you carry the biowell with you? Oh, you carry both with you. How large is, is the environment? Environmental 1. How big is that?

It is just a little tube, maybe several inch in size.

Okay.

It's very little. Yeah, it's not that big. So it's easy to carry in any bag.

Okay, so you carry these and how do you use them during the day?

So first of all, if I feel that something is not very good with me, then I take my measurement and I immediately see what's how it's rated. Then this, our programs allow to define biorhythms day by day and to see what are beneficial days, what are not beneficial days. And it's quite precise, I should tell you. So I'm doing this measurement for myself every day. Then if I have my go to my friends, if I have my friends, of course we repeat it with my friends as well. If I have some colleagues, then we do it with our colleagues, not to tell that we work with athletes and I supervise this research all the time, this practical activity. And again we take these measurements. Then very often I have some people ask me to take measurement of environment in different places and we do expect experiments. For example, I can tell you about one of the most exciting experiments in last time, okay. I was allowed to take measurement nearby. Very holy Russian icon in Russian church. Because the high priest of this church, it Was good friend of us. And we agree that I make this measurement. And this icon, it was presented to Russia from Byzantine in 12th century. So I can imagine. So it's very old history and it's very. It's considered as holy icon in Russia. So I did measurement nearby this icon for two hours. And then I repeated this measurement in different parts of the same church. And outside results was absolutely different. So nearby of the icon, parameter of energy was very, very calm, very low. So during two hours and it was ceremony in the church, it was very, very calm parameters. Outside of this church it was very high parameters because it was big Moscow street. So it was very high energy. And of course not very good for life because it was big traffic. But inside the church, in other parts of the church, maybe two meters from the high parameters were still different. They were much higher. And it's not the first time. We are measuring pieces of arts. For example, paintings, I love paintings. And we are measuring paintings and we're measuring their influence to environment. At the same time. We can measure response of people to this because this sensor, it allows us to measure both environment and emotional influence of people to the environment. So if there are a group of people meditating in the room, then this sensor can detect a change of environment in the process of meditation.

Now when you use this sensor, are you hooking it up to something that displays the output like a computer or a television, or is there an actual digital display on the device itself?

We have this sensor is connected to biowell device. And biowell device can operate walls for computer with laptop. Now we are having it with mobile phone as well. It's not on the market still, but we have it in our lab. So you can display it on anywhere. Doesn't matter. Even more than that, you can take measurements offline without seeing what's going on. And then later on you can see what's going on. So it's much more interesting for me because it's so named block blind experiments. You don't see on the way what's going on. And on the later by processing data, you see this effect.

How much do these things cost?

You see Biowell cost 1295.

So $1295. You buy this. And what about the software?

Software? You need to subscribe for software. And it cost $20 per month.

Okay. And it looks like you've got like some accessories here. Like you can get a water sensor for this Sputnik that will allow you to test water's response to environmental stimuli. It looks like There are some other devices where you've got like the Sputnik along with the Biowell where you can get both. And then of course you get access to this software online. And just so people know who are listening. And I have no financial affiliation with this company whatsoever. I just really wanted to learn a little bit more about this gas discharge visualization. Now, how does this compare to the people? Because I know there's, there's some folks out there, physicians, chiropractic docs, etc. Who are doing full photographs of the human body using this, this Kirlian photography or using GDV technique. How does this compare to using something like a full photograph of the human body?

You see, my idea to make instruments that would be affordable to people, that would be easy to use, that would be simple for everybody from doctors to home customers. And this is Biowell. Of course, in our lab we have a lot of other equipment that allows us to see whole body, different topics, but it's only for the lab, it's not for everybody. And to my mind, system should be medical system or system for practitioners for home use. It should be simple in use. You don't need to know how many buttons to press and it should give you very clear results.

Okay, got it. Interesting. So I'm going to put a link to this book because it's a pretty comprehensive book on the research. I have to admit I'm a little bit on the fence having not tried one of these myself. Although in going through this book, and I know that many of you listening in are probably skeptical, I'm actually quite floored at the amount of research you guys have done over there, especially in Russia, on the use of gas discharge visualization techniques. You know, I, I suppose I always thought that this was something unproven by scientific research, but it's actually quite interesting how you have research on everything from like altitude acclimatization and being able to look at that, being able to look at again, environmental parameters like water and mold and fungi and psycho emotional states, asthma, all sorts of really interesting things. So I'll put a link to this little book in the show notes too because it's just like a PDF you can download to go through the results yourself before you throw too many rocks, so to speak. And I personally may try and trial this thing in the future just to see if I can get anything out of a device like this. And I'll keep you guys posted in the meantime. Konstantin, anything else that you want to tell our listeners about this device or anything that you wanted to cover regarding GDV that you haven't had a chance to go into yet.

You see the main idea that as I mentioned now we came to technological society, so we know that everything that we have in our life is based on technology. And technology should be simple. You don't need to know how to press many, many buttons, how to make any complications. So that is first, that should be done for any practical instrument. So we have simple instrument biowell that anybody can use. It's very simple, it's very easy. We have very, very sophisticated algorithms. But they are all on server and we use Amazon server. That's why all this is absolutely safe because you know that we live now in dangerous time and computer terrorism, it's one of the big issues in the world. So now we have, everything is totally protected, totally secured and it is very convenient.

Yeah, you wouldn't want someone stealing your gas discharge visualization data, right?

Absolutely, absolutely. So it's all very well protected.

Yeah.

And we have several thousand of practitioners, medical doctors worldwide in more than 70 countries now that are using this. So it's to my, my mind, it's the best answer to our skeptics. And I tell all, if you are skeptical, please try, don't believe, please don't believe what I'm saying. Please don't believe what's written. Please try it yourself. Take it and try it. It's easy.

Yeah, awesome. Do you guys have, at the, at the risk of potentially getting shut down or do you guys have guarantees on this? Like if people buy it, what is the return policy? What is the, what is the policy should they not get results?

You see, first of all, we have two years of guarantee and if people don't have results, if they don't like it, they can return it. And we have normal typical conditions because we are interested for people to use it.

Yeah, interesting. Okay, well that's, that's, that's good to know that you actually have that policy. All right, well, well folks, if you have questions about this, just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Biowell if you have your own experience with gas discharge visualization, good or bad, let me know. Hop into the comments section there because it'd be interesting to hear some of your own information regarding what you found if you've used this yourself. And again, as I delve into this and perhaps try one of these for myself, I'll keep you guys posted on what I find in terms of the value of the self quantification I get out of it. And you can access the show notes, this little ebook that I'm talking about, everything else, including the BioWell stuff, just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com BioWell that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com Biowell and Konstantin, I want to thank you for coming on the show today and sharing this stuff with folks.

Well, thank you very much, Ben, because I was very, I was enjoying our talk. You are very, very deep in everything what you're talking about. So it was big pleasure for me.

To talk with you.

Thank you.

All right. Well, good. I try not to sound like an idiot. All right. Well, folks, this is Ben Greenfield and Dr. Konstantin Karotkov signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com have a healthy week.

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