Is "Drinkable" Seawater The Future Of Health Tonics?, How "Quinton" Works, Isotonic vs. Hypertonic & Much More With Water Researcher Robert Slovak.

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My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. Well folks, I got a 3Peak guest on today, which means you must be good or at least have something remotely interesting to talk about. His name is Robert Slovak. Robert is, is, if you haven't heard my other two podcasts with him, pretty much my go to guru for all things water and not just water, but like minerals, water filtration and pretty much anything that has to do with H2O. He was first on my podcast called water and water filtration everything you need to know about water filters where we talked about alkaline water and structured water and hydrogen rich water and deuterium depleted water and. And then he also joined me in a podcast that we really just focused on for hydrogen water where we talked about like timing and dosing and delivery mechanisms and hydrogen tablets and hydrogen water machines and hydrogen inhalers and a whole lot more. And I'll link to those previous podcasts if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Seawater that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com seawater and the reason that I'm calling this podcast BenGreenfieldFitness.com seawater is, is we're actually going to talk a lot about this so called drinkable seawater. Even though that might be bastardizing exactly what it is because I get so many questions about it. And that in particular is something that I talk about a lot, something called Quinton. So we're going to dig into that. And Robert's also got some other things that he's been up to behind the scenes. He's always got his fingers in a lot of super interesting pots. And so after we chat about King Ton for a while, I'd like to get into a few of the other emerging trends in the water industry and some cool sexy new stuff to, to kind of get your guys wheels spinning when it comes to taking care of your bodies. Now if you don't know who Robert is, he's. He's a mechanical and aeronautical and astronautical engineer who way back in the 70s founded a company called Water Factory Systems and was one of the early developers of reverse osmosis technology, which most people now, or many people now just have in their homes. Robert was behind successfully innovating that and bringing that into homes and offices, these so called RO drinking systems. But he retired from the US water industry in 1996 and began to travel to Brazil, to Asia, to international markets. And as he kind of filled us in on his last podcast while in Brazil, got super duper sick and got into something called Quinton Marine Plasma, which we're gonna get into today. He'll, he'll kind of refresh the backstory on that with you. But now he's also researching this new deuterium depleted water and, and started a company called Light Water Scientific, that's a form of deuterium depleted water. He has helped to develop some pretty cool hydrogen water tablet variations and pretty much is again the guy when it comes to all things water. So, Robert, welcome back to the show for the third time, man.

Thank you, Ben, thank you for the illustrious introduction.

Yeah, well, I love what you do, man. I find it intriguing. And you know, every time that I interview you, I just get inundated with questions about the stuff that you talk about. So I figured, I figured first of all I should tell you I had two hypertonic vials of Quinton minerals to get my body charged up for this morning show. So I thought of you as I was preparing my giant glass mason jar. And I also had three of the of the hydrogen tablets in there. So I wake up every morning, I've been doing this for the past six months. I wake up every morning one to two of those Quinton hypertonic minerals, three hydrogen tablets, vitamin C, baking soda, about 32 ounces of water in a giant glass mason jar. And if I'm really wanting to amp it up, I go and set it out in the sunlight for a little while or I do one of these biocharger sessions and I set it next to the biocharger which produces a bunch of infrared light and man, that's that. That thing is just like almost up there. Not quite up there, I gotta admit, but almost up there with my morning cup of coffee. So every time I interview, there's like one extra thing I gotta add to my morning glass of water, man. So it's, it's kind of a love hate relationship.

Well, if I even make one little correction or suggestion. Yeah, I'd like to see you split up those three hydrogen tablets. I know it's a little more of A pain, but. And, you know, you can always take three, but it's, it's. Hydrogen is, you know, it's fast acting, fast moving fast everything, and it really be good to split it up. Like, having three hydrogen tablets in a row at the same time would be like doing your exercises all at once for an hour instead of doing them throughout the day. Like, you know, you're. You're kind of, you know, why I rarely. You're the why I rarely sit guy. Okay.

Yeah.

And hydrogen is really a lot like not sitting and being active all the time. It just fixes lots of things in the body.

And hydrogen very much acts the same way.

Well, I think. Wasn't it you, or maybe it was Tyler LeBaron who I was talking to, who advised that the best way to drink hydrogen would be like a diurnal dosing, like a morning and then an evening dose, rather than like, like taking small doses throughout the day. So I actually do three tablets in the morning, and then I do three tablets in the evening.

Oh, okay. I, I will. I will back off on that. I didn't know. I thought that was the only thing you did. And, and you're right. It's. It's great to, to have it present in the body. It doesn't stay in the body for a. A very long time, maybe an hour and a half.

So.

Yeah, that's great. I didn't know you were doing an evening blast.

Yeah, I do. I do a morning blast. And I, I say evening more like kind of like, you know, late afternoon, early evening. If I take it too close to bedtime. I find hydrogen is a little bit stimulating in the same way that I find, like, the Quinton hypertonic minerals, I also find those kind of stimulating. So in thein the later afternoon, I'll do another big glass Mason jar of hydrogen, and then I typically will take minerals before I go to bed, but I use. And we'll get into that on today's show. By the way, I wanna ask you about the difference between, like, thethe hypertonic and the isotonic minerals, because the last podcast that we did, you alluded to the fact that the isotonic might be little bit more kind of parasympathetically stimulating, whereas thethe hypertonic more sympathetically. So I do the hypertonic in the morning, then I do the isotonic in the evening before bed. But yeah, I do a lot of the hydrogen. I find I feel really good on the higher doses. But, I mean, you're talking to a guy, you know, for whom, like, A microdose of psilocybin is 1 to 2 grams. And you know, I gotta take like 250 micrograms of like MDMA to even feel anything. Like I'm. I didn't elephant sized dose of just about everything I take, it seems.

So I think because you're very active.

Yeah, it could, could be, I don't know, active, but also, you know, pretty. Based on my genetic testing, high activity of some of the CYP enzymes or liver. I turn stuff over quickly.

All right, that's a good answer. But one thing before you leave the hydrogen thing. You know, there was a time and probably the first time we talked that if somebody asked me, you know, there was, or there was a time somebody says, you know, what is this molecular hydrogen all about? I pretty much had three fixed answers. And I said, well, it acts like an unusual antioxidant to the most egregious free radicals in the body, Hydroxyl radical and peroxy nitrite radicals. And it doesn't suppress redox signaling molecules and it acts like a regulator for the endogenous is antioxidants. And there you go. Isn't that enough? But now those three have become, since we talked, have become like 300. Okay. And it's gone crazy, probably. Hydrogen is the surprise of my career in that it was a hundred times more than I ever imagined. So there you go.

Well, the other thing I wanted to ask you about hydrogen. We might as well get into this before we get into to, to, to Quinton is, you know, your, your website, your, your water and wellness website. You, you have this active H2 hydrogen and that's generally the one that I will use like that, that's the one that I'll take three capsules of and, or three tablets of and put in my morning glass of water and then in my evening glass of water. But don't you also have one that, that you've blended with some other minerals, like almost like a. Something you could take prior to like a, a higher carbohydrate meal or something like that? That's the. It's got chromium in it. Yeah.

The traditional chromium atom is related to glucose metabolism and is often called glucose tolerance factor. So we have combined because one of the other surprises about hydrogen is that suppresses or controls or supports metabolic syndrome. Okay. That miraculously it's like unparalleled in dealing with it. We thought, what if people are a little beyond metabolic syndrome and moving in the wrong direction? What could we do to help that their metabolism and the obvious thing was something called Chromax, which is kind of a brand ingredient, very highly researched, that.

Has many metabolic benefits.

So we thought by combining them it would be great. And it, it like hydrogen turned out to be greater than we thought it would be great.

Yeah, because. Because chromium is really good. You know, almost similar, you know, to like the idea of metformin as a glucose disposal agent or at least an insulin sensitizing agent. Yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, when I formulated our product at Kion the Kion Lean, I almost put Chrom there and I wound up going with. With a formula called Innoslim instead, which is like Astragalus and Panax, not a ginseng, along with wild bitter melon fruit extract. But the cool thing is, you know, when, when I go out to a restaurant where I. If I go to a restaurant, I tend to to have more carbohydrates than I would at home. I have a little Ziploc bag that's kind of like. I know a lot of people in the, in the health and fitness industry do the same thing. You show up to a restaurant with your little Ziploc bag of whatever pills you pop before you eat. So I' my digestive enzymes in that little Ziploc bag got a little bit of gluten guardian in there in case I decide that I'm going to consume any of the bread that's brought to the table. And then I've got two of my Kion leans. And then I put also along with that, three of those, those active H2 Chromax tablets that you have that the chromium. So I'm kind of, you know, and I wash that the Kion Lean down with the Chromax tablets that'll just dissolve in a glass of water. So I can, you know, I can punish my bread and my rice and my rice cakes and my sweet potato fries. Anything else when I go out to a restaurant, you know, kind of have my cake and eat it too. But I kind of like to combine that Cromax with the Lean and man, my blood sugar stays so stable.

Can I give you another suggestion more, I think, on behalf of your audience? So one of the things we say on Cromx is do not take more than one a day. Only take because it has the maximum dose recommended now, you know, give or take, it has the maximum dose recommended for chromium a day, which is 1,000.

Micrograms or 1 milligram.

So it's really, if people are Going to take people with some metabolic reason to take hydrogen. To take hydrogen with chromium, we recommend that you still limit yourself to one active H2 chromax, and then the other two should be regular active H2 hydrogen tablets. And that's, you know, look, you're a biohacker, you're an experimenter, but I think it's just right for me to tell people that we wouldn't want all of your people taking three hydrogen chromax a day because it does exceed the recommended daily dose of chromium.

Yeah, you are right. Most of the studies on chromium do say 1,000 micrograms and many of them split that into like 2,500mcg doses during that. During the day. But I think the reason I feel so good with dropping three is the. Is the extra hydrogen I'm getting. Honestly, I don't think it's the extra chromium. I think it's the extra hydrogen, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So back. Back to Quinton. You have an interesting history of how you actually discovered this stuff that I think is just intriguing. So before we get into the ins and outs of of what Quinton actually is, because I think a lot of people are confused about it, just give us a brief background of how you discovered this stuff in the first place, because I just love this story. I'd love to hear you tell it again.

After retiring in 1996, I did go to, at the request of certain people and the government in Brazil, to go and help Brazil with their water, to.

Improve their water technology infrastructure, because Brazil.

Has every mineral and resource that you can imagine, but they don't have a lot of technology and you need water to develop minerals. So I went there. I thought I'd be there for whatever, three months, and I was there for five years. So as part of that, I ended up doing research in an area of Brazil that was, let's say, a little.

More remote to discover why certain pollution.

Was coming into certain. Certain cities, blah, blah, blah. And I became deathly ill. It was in an area that had no doctors, no clinic. That was it.

So I became deathly ill.

I knew what it was.

I had bacterial gastroenteritis from, you know.

Being a bad boy and, and not eating well, etc. And probably, you know, a lot of bad food that was contaminated, not prepared properly. So I became extremely ill. And I knew that this required me to be airlifted out of that area to Rio de Janeiro Hospital. And that wasn't going to happen. And a young man who was on.

Our team, came up to me and.

Said, listen, you need to take this. And he shows me that, you know what it is, that the six glass ampoules in a little cardboard package of kin of this stuff he called canton, which is the French pronunciation.

Canton.

Canton. That's the real like. Like, can't see it. Like, it's C A N, T O, N. So.

So. And this was the canton isotonic, okay? Not the one you and I take every day, but it's. Let's say it's more the medical one.

And I'll explain why when we go on. Okay? So I'm going, seriously, Marcelo, really, you know, I need a helicopter. Not like, what is this anyway? He said, it's made from seawater. And he said something that I will never forget. He said, this is our doctor, and I'm going, you know, I'm. I'm in a primitive area. So anyway, out of desperation, he's. I said, how do I do this stuff? He said, just take one per hour, six of them. I went back to my house, vomiting and the whole thing back then, by.

The way, was it still in like a little vial packet or. Well, there's two ways to get. Foil packet or glass vial. Is that what it.

What it was or it wasn't in a foil packet. That's something we all did, but it was in that glass ampoule, we call it, since 1897, okay? That's how it came out for the first hundred and some years.

So I took those six ampoules dutifully.

And I will tell you, I didn't know if I had died, because all.

I know is I felt incredible.

And I knew that was impossible. And so I just got cleaned up. It was close to midnight. I ran down to the only thing that was open in. It wasn't even a town, it was a village of sorts. And I went into the bar, the only thing that was really open or even existing, and I said, marcelo, I gotta have more of this stuff. And that really changed my life in a dramatic way. So I recognized that I got more. I never had to go to a.

Hospital, never had to go to a doctor. And when I went back to Rio.

De Janeiro, after months, when I was.

Done with this project, he said, I'm going to introduce you to the man.

The Argentine biologist who brings it to Brazil. I went to see him. I knocked on his door at 9 o' clock at night with an apology, and I didn't leave. He said, come on in, no problem. Brazilians work late at night. And I left his house at 7 o' clock the next morning with him telling me about Canton. And it was. My jaw was dropped the entire time. And I thought, I don't think I want to be a mechanical astronautical engineer anymore. This is where I want to go. This is blowing my mind. How could I not even know who Rene Cantone was? And I spent the next two years studying it in Brazil and ended up bringing it to America in 2004. That's the end. And with a new career in health science.

So does that mean like any when you say you brought it to America? When I got all these different websites, like you know, not just your water and wellness website, but like, you know, Quicksilver Scientific or even like Amazon. Do you get royalties or something like that every time Quinton is sold in the US Based on the fact that you brought it back from Brazil?

Yes. So until 2000, from 2004 to 2016, my brother and my company, Original Quinton of North America was the sole importer of this product. Okay. But my brother passed away via an accident in 2016 and it was a life changing event for me to lose a partner of 50 years. And I decided, hey, I don't think I want to do this day to day business. I just want to train and teach and so on. And because we were part owners of Quicksilver Scientific and the original investors in Quicksilver Scientific, my brother and I, I.

Just said, hey, can I park this product to. And you know, crocheted.

Can I park.

Chris, can I park this product with.

With Quicksilver and, and you guys be the master importer. And he goes, robert, I don't know about drinking seawater and so on. Well, you know, now that's a long story, but it's one of his of course, favorite necessary products. He has it all throughout his facility for his employees, et cetera, et cetera. So they are the importer and both the master distributors are both Quicksilver Scientific and Water and Wellness. So that's how it works. And there is many sub distributors. We sell to doctors and other stores. We sell to Air1, we sell into Canada.

And I took that product.

The success was so great in terms.

Of this small company called Labratoise Canton that had moved from Paris to Alicante, Spain. I mean, an exquisite company. If anybody ever gets a chance to.

Visit it, it will blow your mind. And you can see the Canton Museum as well in gorgeous Alicante, Spain.

But I ended up bringing it really to much of the rest of the world.

I was the speaker who really knew Quinton in English better than probably anybody in the world. I brought it to Asia, it sold in China, and it's sold everywhere in the world now. So that's the story.

All right, so there are a ton of different kind of like, electrolyte beverages out there, as well as, like, trace liquid minerals you can add to water. Some people just go old schooly and we'll add pinches of salt to water. You know, arguably all of these are going to do a decent job replenishing electrolytes. But. But I get this question all the time from people, especially, like, house guests, who I'll have over. And I'll be like, you guys, let's have some Quint before dinner. And they're like, why, why couldn't we just do, you know, like, you know, one of these effervescent electrolyte tablets you'd get off of Amazon or a pinch of sea salt or whatever. And some people even ask, why couldn't you just, like, drink filtered ocean water? So can you walk me through what exactly Quinton is in terms of, of how it's derived from the ocean? Like, like, what's, what's going on as. Because I understand that phytoplankton and zooplankton and these plankton blooms have something to do with the way that Kington is made, but can you kind of open the kimono on exactly how this stuff is harvested?

Very good. Okay, first of all, recognize what no one has correctly answered since I brought this to America. In any of my classes, trainings, etcetera, no one has ever answered correctly. What is the ocean?

I ask this to almost every group.

What is the ocean? Tell me what. It's salty. It's this. I get all answers, but no one knew or knows or realizes that the ocean is the only aqueous solution of the entire periodic table of the elements.

In the solar system.

And probably the universe, it is that unique. So the ocean encompasses every single thing that God made to construct the universe. And if we just. If we can just like, accept the God intervention here. It's like, we know if you were a God and you wanted to go, hey, you know, I'm thinking of having this new thing called life emerge. Man, like any good parent, you'd give it everything you had, and everything that.

God had was the entire periodic table of the elements.

So it is accepted that life began.

In the ocean with, you know, very interesting microorganisms and separate mitochondria, et cetera, et Cetera.

So it is really the life giving solution. And what everyone overlooks is that the proportions of the elements, and let's say there's 70 plus elements because some of the elements are gases and we don't really include this in the calculations, but there's 70 plus elements that are in the ocean. And all of those elements have unique solubilities in the ocean. Each one has a particular PPM or PPB or PPT of concentration in the water. And this is what life used to evolve. And that's why you and I and every other, mostly mammals, have virtually identical proportions, ideally of those elemental electrolytes in our body. That's because I think I'll use Rene.

Quinton's great historic statement.

The only way life could leave the ocean, and it evolved in the ocean.

They believe for over 2 billion years.

Before leaving the ocean. He said the only way life could leave the ocean was to take the ocean with it. And the fact is your blood and blood plasma are basically, let's say, corrupted seawater. You don't have, we don't have all those 70 plus elements. Why, why don't we when. When we were supposed to have them? It's because the grand design said once you leave the ocean, you can get these from what you consume. But that's not the life we live anymore.

You mean like produce and animals that have harvested minerals from the earth and from the water, Arguably, if those were in a pristine state, then we would actually be getting a lot of these electrolytes and minerals from things like produce and meat.

And the proportions, right, the proportions of the elements that your body creates naturally through its genetic code, etc. The proportions are at the same proportions as seawater. That's the magic. That's why sea salt, as beneficial as it can be, it never can become seawater. Once you remove water, and water is the magic, you never can reconstitute it even close back to seawater. And that was something that Rene Canton investigated. He goes, geez, you know, what if we just ship the dehydrated seawater around and they reconstitute it. It never worked. It never performed its physiological functions. Now I'm not saying you can't perform a simple electrolyte function, but the minerals and trace elements have, I don't have.

To tell you, I mean, hundreds of thousands of functions. Neurological, you know, mitochondrial protein folding, they're involved in everything. Genetic transcription.

So it has to be in the seawater state. Now what's seawater? Well, the bioreactor created by Phytoplankton and zooplankton exists in rare places on the earth. And Rene Quinton said this is as close they recognized what plankton rich areas were.

Wait, I'm going to interrupt you right there. What do you mean bioreactor?

Well, okay, well let me finish. So there's, there's assemblages in the ocean, huge hundreds of kilometers across of phytoplankton. That's near the surface, within the first probably 50ft because that's the zone of light and phytoplankton needs light. But in nature, in oceanographic nature, hundreds of feet below, there's also zooplankton. And zooplankton is like krill is a zooplankton. Copio pods are zooplankton.

They're microscopic, I don't know, you could.

Call them microscopic shrimp if you like. And very much like cows at a farm going to pasture, eating grass and coming back to the, coming back to the ranch. The zooplankton ascend upward through those 300ft say and consume the phytoplankton. In the consuming of the phytoplankton there is an incredible, we will call it biosynotic event, meaning it's a bioreactor of unimaginable biochemical reactions that involve not only all the elements of the periodic table in the water, but all the things that are being produced, the fluids, the chemicals, the phytochemicals, et cetera, by both the phytoplankton and the zooplankton that goes on between those two layers. The phytoplankton on top, the zooplankton on 300ft below and in the center. It is actually referred to as the zone of biocenosis and that is the birthplace of Quinton. Okay, so are if you just say well Robert, I don't want to get my seawater from there. I have a, I have an island off the coast of the Philippines. I will tell you the value of all the periodic table that you would consume from that ocean are incredible. Use it, do it. But it won't do all the things that plankton bloom derived seawater is able to do. And what is that? Well, for 124 years now Cantone marine plasma in those little glass ampoules has been perhaps we can call it one of the top three or four medicines, not just nutrients of all time. It was in the European physician's desk reference from about 1930 to 1999 as a medicine, Right. Along with whatever penicillin and all the other pharmaceutical medicines. It was indistinguishable from those other things because of what it did from when? The time that Rene Canton discovered it or produced it in 1897. And then to prove to himself this was the most life compatible fluid known, the most famous thing he probably did was to transfuse the whole blood of six dogs in 2004.

You mean like an intravenous administration of Quinton?

Yes, but a full replacement.

Meaning replace as much blood as you.

Can get out of the dog. It wasn't a cakewalk for the dog.

Jesus. Poor dogs. Jeez.

Yeah, okay, so he did this. But the dogs survived and thrived and several of the dogs that weren't healthy dogs became healthy. And he wrote a 500 page treatise that describes this event in minute by minute detail. And this has been produced several other times in history that like this is beyond belief. So he did it. Now, just shortly after 2004, Europe was raked with multiple pandemics already. Cholera was in play from the 1800s. Tuberculosis, typhoid, gastroenteritis. Here we go. Syphilis, influenza, etc. All the diseases of the early 1900s that were killing approximately 50,000 people per month. So what happened was there were no pharmaceuticals then. There were potions, homeopathics, herbal elixirs, et cetera, but no real medicines. So when Jean Jericho, the preeminent physiologist of the time, was part of the solution of getting, of overcoming the pandemics, he asked Rene Quinton, what about your stuff? And they said, well, let's do it. Let's take sick people and let's administer Quinton in a variety of ways. We don't have the time to get into it.

But they did.

And it became a worldwide study. And Europe and northern Africa set up 69, they were called in French marine dispensaries. But they were places where the sick came in to have only Cantone administered to them. They administered it by subcutaneous injection, they administered peritoneal injection, they administered it orally, they administered it rectally, they did everything consuming, drinking it, depending upon the affliction and the disease. They had figured out the best way to administer it. And it became legend. By the time Rene Quinton passed away.

In 1925, it had saved Europe from.

Virtually all of the pandemics. And he was revered. You know, like something like, I can't.

Remember, 150,000 people show up at his.

Funeral and there's statues all over Europe acknowledging Rene Quinton. So this continued on, it was still in this book called the Vidal.

And I have a copy of the book.

You know, it's like a 3 inch thick book that has Quinton as a cure.

What's the book called again?

It's called the Vidal, the Vidal V I D A L. It's the physician's desk reference of France. But in those early days, France was so ahead of everybody in medicine. It was the physician's desk reference of Europe. I have a copy, I have, you know, I have have copies of all the entries in there and what it did and what it was doing in 1934, really the first medicine really that was serious came out and that was called penicillin. And that took some of the thunder away from Quinton because it was much easier to use. And you can imagine in those days making a sterile solution that could be injected it out of seawater without. And this is the key, everyone must know Quinton is never heated, it's never taken above room temperature. It's all sterilized and made apyogenic for pyrogen removal by very specialized microfiltration.

What's pyrogen removal?

Pyrogen are fragments of bacteria that are the activators for the body to raise its temperature, to react and beginning to build a defense against microbial diseases. So pyrogen, they're really polysaccharides and the pyrogen activates things in the body and that's what start pyro, meaning heat. That's what starts you to have a fever.

To eliminate microorganisms. And of course it can get out of control, the fever can, etc. Etc.

So when you inject something, all injectable.

Solutions to this day have to be.

Bacterial free and pyrogen free.

And it's very, very difficult to do.

So that product went right through the 30s, the 40s, the 50s, it was used in hospitals routinely. The biography of Rene Quinton was written in the 50s that even stimulated more the 60s. And in the 70s, France did something that is wild. They elected to make, as part of their national health program, to make Quinton free of charge for every French citizen. Okay, and this is where the crap hit the fan. Well, in the 1970s, this was a booming period for the pharmaceutical industry as well. And they hated Quinton from the very beginning because Quinton, Quinton's use was really.

A multiple use to replace many of.

The pharmaceuticals we know that today.

Okay.

They've always been wary of Quinton. Well, what they did was the pharmaceutical.

Companies, they passed Laws like we're seeing.

Happen now with the pharmacopoeia of Europe and said, hey, here's the new rule. If you want to inject something, IV something or whatever, it has to be heat sterilized. And that's what drove the product Cantone Isotonic out of the market as a viable modern medicine. And Canton was driven kind of underground. It was just teeter tottering. And the schools of Quinton, the French school, the Swiss school, the Spanish school, the Belgian school, each country had its own approach to using Quinton. These schools kind of, you know, they withdrew back into their countries. And it wasn't until 2004, and I hope this isn't getting too, too much, but in 2004, the very year I discovered it, France, Ministry of Science. The Ministry of Science held a 100 year celebration of the humanitarian and scientific contribution of Rene Quinton in Paris for one week. And they invited those schools back. But what those schools came back with shocked everybody. They said, in the 25 years we've been isolated and just worked with Quinton in our own countries, we discovered that you really don't have to inject it for most things. You can use this product orally. They didn't imagine that. And so they released a document that is the new oral application of Quinton for a lot of afflictions that I can't even mention on your podcast now.

To interrupt you real quick, because when I was at this place called the Swiss Mountain Clinic where I led a retreat a couple of years ago, I brought a bunch of people over there and we spent about two weeks engaged in all these forms of European biological medicine we couldn't get in the US and customized diets and hyper therapy and ozone therapy and, you know, it was kind of a cool trip. Cool little clinic like way up in the. Way up in the mountains about 90 minutes outside of Milan, Italy. Well worth visiting for anybody who's.

Beautiful, isn't it?

Yeah, like, almost like a health vacation. They were talking a little bit about, I think it was called percutaneous hydrotomy, where people were actually getting injected. I don't believe it was intravenous administration of Quinton, but I think it's either intramuscular or subcutaneous repetitive injections of Quinton. Are you familiar with that form of administration?

Yes.

Percutaneous hydrotomy is a procedure that's taught in Nice, France to this day by Dr. Goyaz. And it is a procedure for people who have back injury, ruptured discs, et cetera, anything with the spine and what they do is they. They have. Like an octopus. Imagine an octopus of subcutaneous needles of, say eight of them, all connected with a manifold of plastic tubes that lead to a bottle of Quinton Isotonic. Okay.

Okay.

Those little needles are inserted around just subcutaneously, not, you know, whatever, a couple millimeters into and around the spine. And they just allow the ketone to flow by gravity to. This is an oversimplification to rehydrate the spine and heal. And once you change the matrix, and I think you already know this, the matrix, meaning the fluid in which all our cells live, is the magic of the body. It is the regulator par excellence. And it's what we inherited from the sea. It's the master regulator. If you live in the sea, you're living in the regulator. And that's why sea life has it quite easy, except the fact they eat each other. It has it quite easy because the regulator is already the ocean. When life left the ocean for a terrestrial existence, it had to do something like, how am I going to handle the temperature change? Oh, my. You know, it's this. It's. Many things are happening now. You had to do it by manipulating the extracellular matrix. It's called. And that's what Quinton is. It's a replacement for the matrix. So when you use percutaneous hydrotomy, it's incredibly healing to the spine. And, you know, there is a clinic in San Miguel de Allende in Mexico that is actually started by the gentleman who was the. I think he was the. Like the vice president or something, the administrator of the Miami General Hospital, one of the largest in America. And he went down and started a.

He went.

He sent a doctor to Nice. They got trained, and he now has a. He now has a clinic there. And interestingly, your friend and mine, Tracy Dues, whom you recently did a podcast with, just a year and a. I think about a year and a half ago, at the last a 4M, she comes walking up. I was in.

I was a 4M being the American Academy for Anti Aging Medicine Conference. Right.

Yeah. That was the last time they had it.

A live one. Anyway, so I was. I was manning or part of the quicksilver booth to show Quintone that's what my purpose was there. So she comes up with a young man, very buff and so on, and it was her cousin Stephen, but he's walking with a cane. I hadn't even met either of them before. And she goes, hey, I'm Tracy Dewes, and I want to learn about Water and stuff. I said, said, but I'm interested in this young man's problem. What's going on with you?

I mean, he was like, you know, in his 30s.

And he goes, well, this is. You know, I was a military guy, and I had an accident, and I have just been suffering with this. I've done everything possible. And I said, have you ever heard of percutaneous hydrotomy? I mean, you're going to just blow.

Your mind at this story. He goes, no, what's that?

And he is a doctor. He is like a doctor's assistant.

He has, like, almost a complete doctor's.

Degree, so he knows the physiology. So I said, well, I described the procedure to him. And I said, interestingly, there is a clinic in Mexico, in San Miguel de Allende, and you might call the guy and find out about it. I'll send you information. He said, san Miguel de Allende. That's where my family is from. Okay. So before I knew what happened, he was down there. And he's probably been down there three times for the percutaneous hydrotamine.

He's probably the happiest guy.

Happiest guy in Texas right now.

Wow.

So very effective for that kind of problem.

Okay. So that really helps me wrap my head better around where it's coming from. So harvested from these plankton blooms.

Yeah. There's nothing like it. And not being heated. If you heat Quinton, will it have beneficial minerals and trace elements? Absolutely. Will it be able to do all the things that. That are promised in that Vidal Physician's Desk Reference? Not on your life. That's why it's difficult to understand. That's why you really have to use Quinton for the most therapeutic reasons. From the glass ampule. That's the only thing that can protect it adequately.

Okay. Because after the phytoplankton and the zooplankton have processed these minerals, they would then undergo some type of filtration to ensure that they're pure. So that. That would be why you can't just say, like, drink seawater and get the same effects.

You know, I mean, I think it's. You have to be very careful just drinking seawater. Okay.

That.

That's on a regular basis.

But I just want to say that seawater in moderation will always give you a beneficial supply of minerals and trace elements.

Always. This. All the sea has the same stuff.

What form they're in is another story. And the form has a lot to do with the capability of seawater.

What do you mean by that?

The form that they're in when I say the form. So in this zone of biocenosis with the phytoplankton and zooplankton, like all of the minerals are organocomplexed in ways that science has no clue yet and no one's spending money to find out. It's a very complex solution. They remove all those organisms, but left behind are not just minerals and trace elements of the ocean, but there is a complete list of phytonutrients. There's DNA, RNA antifungals, antibacterials. The list is like 100 items that can be detected in Quinton that are the result of this interaction of this, the phytoplankton and the zooplankton in this special area. That's how it's all connected.

Okay, got it. All right. So when it comes to the actual electrolyte composition, obviously based on the fact that this is harvested from seawater and comes from these phytoplankton and zooplankton, I know that that's what's responsible for kind of the unique bioavailable electrolyte rich chemistry or something like Quinton. But is there anything else in it? Like, does it have any fatty acids or amino acids or anything else, like.

That many fatty acids? Because the fatty acids, I mean, what? Some.

Some of the best DHA comes from algae, right? Or plankton. I mean, they all produce the best dha.

So, you know, polyunsaturated fatty acids are, are, are in micro amounts in Quinton, but they're all there. It's just one of the most complex solutions of all. And it acts.

I mean, it's both.

It's homeopathic. It has energetic qualities. People always use ketone to program it. And no one fails a muscle test with ketone.

I mean, it's like. I mean, you know, for the last almost 20 years, people would go, what is that stuff? Let me muscle test it. And they go, what is this stuff?

So, you know, it has a magical quality beyond biochemistry.

Does it have based on that calories? Like, Like. Because I know people are gonna ask this now, you know, because we. It has like some fatty acids in, et cetera. Like, Like, Because. Because people who are fasting, for example, right? Like, and wake up, have this in.

A fasted state, it would be less than a micro dose of polyunsaturated fatty acids.

Okay, okay.

Like, less than taking a fish oil capsule.

But it might be linked to something that nothing else can give you. Are you with me? It's really that unknown because. Because, you know, there's no money into examining the micro biochemistry of Quinton. Who's going to pay for that?

Nobody cares.

They just said, listen, this stuff has worked for 124 years. We're just going to keep on using it.

Okay, got it. So that's helpful. And, you know, the other thing, and I may rapid fire a few questions at you here that might take a little bit longer apply. But, you know, we touched briefly on the fact that there's two different versions, kind of the isotonic and the hypertonic. Can you help me understand the difference between those two and when they should be best used? Because up in my pantry, I've got both. I tend to like the hypertonic better just because it's more often that I want energy than that I want more of a parasympathetic stimulus. And that's just based on not only my own understanding of my body, but the fact that I do a lot of heart rate variability testing. And one thing that I test often is parasympathetic versus sympathetic nervous system balance. Balance. And I always tend to have really, really good parasympathetic drive, possibly because my background in endurance sports, possibly because I'm just not a super stressed out person anyways. And so I find I turn to the hypertonic more frequently. But can you help me and my audience understand more the actual difference between ISO versus hyper and how we use those?

Okay, so hypertonic is the solution exactly as it's removed from the plankton bloom and then subsequently goes to extensive a month of quality control and inspection.

And then it goes through this very.

Elaborate micro filtration system and put in the ampoule so it's straight seawater that is micropurified. The isotonic is diluted now, so the actual concentration of seawater and hypertonic is 3.3 grams of the periodic table per liter. Okay? 3.3 grams.

Imagine taking 3.3 grams of whatever, salt.

Or something, and putting it in the liter of water.

If you heat hypertonic, a bowl of.

Hypertonic on the stove and evaporate the water. If you do it to a liter, you'll end up with 3.3 grams of the periodic table. Now, they take hypertonic and dilute it to 0.9 grams per liter. That is what is called isotonic. And it's the same concentration as your blood plasma, but your blood plasma, you and I are exceptions. I don't know the rest of our audience, but your blood plasma is always 0.92. It's just. Or 0.9 also. It's just that it doesn't have the variety of minerals and trace elements of the entire periodic table. Your electrolyte balance is probably a mess. And it does more to control your health long term, your ability to ward off chronic diseases than most anything. It is the foundational nutrient that doctors and consumers and biohackers all overlook its importance because they just don't know the history, the chemistry and all the details. So this one is the one that is identical to your blood plasma in both World War I and World War II. Labratoise Canton made this isotonic as a blood plasma replacement for the Allies. And this established largely its credibility. It is also used, it is forbidden in the United States for reasons you.

And I don't have to go into, but we know.

Wait, which one's forbidden in the U.S. no, this procedure. Oh, the procedure. Okay.

To use Quintone isotonic because it is made in an IV bottle. Okay. It's actually produced in an IV bottle of 250 cc's, but this cannot be.

Imported into the United States because it.

Violates the FDA that, hey, unless something is an approved pharmaceutical, you can't use it. But this product is a. Looks like saline solution, but it contains the whole periodic table. It is the magic when someone heals with this. And that's why when it's used in other countries, it is perhaps one of the most revered products in the entire history of medicines. But unfortunately, we cannot bring it into the United States. But, you know, some doctors do use subcutaneous injection of isotonic, and it has an identity with, with your own blood plasma. And a doctor who is familiar with this, any doctor worldwide goes, I administer.

All my medicine with Quinton because the.

Body just takes in the Quinton and uses whatever is added so efficiently. It's quite a magnificent thing to really understand and observe. So the isotonic eye call. If a doctor comes up to me.

And says, Robert, you have 30 seconds to tell me the difference between isotonic and hypertonic, I say this.

The isotonic is the medicine. The hypertonic is the nutrient.

So basically, in a nutshell, the isotonic is equal to the blood in terms of the plasma concentration, equal mineral concentration.

Well, better than anyone's blood.

But you and I have the right concentration because we take Quinton, our body, even though you and I take hypertonic.

It'S going to sort out the concentrations. I mean, it knows that's its design.

It's going to put the right proportions, the right amounts of the 78 minerals and trace element electrolytes into our blood. We are lucky guys for this.

Yep, got it. Okay, so. So for many people, especially like non athletes, people who perhaps aren't sweating frequently, people who don't have a robust sauna protocol, et cetera, I have talked to people who find that hypertox, Hypertonic almost feels too energizing, too overwhelming to their systems. Those people should probably be using more of the isotonic solution or use a half a hypertonic. Okay, got it. Or dilute the hypertonic with a hefty amount of water. Right.

Look, I cannot impress upon your audience the importance of truly having all the complete periodic table. You were born in it, you evolved in it, and that's what you came out of it with. And now we are violating it. Our food no longer has it. Nothing has it in anymore except the ocean. So when you treat yourself to this, to hypertonic, say, you know what? People go, geez, I can't afford that, you know, a dollar a month kind of product or something. I go, you know what? Take one a week. I've even told people, take one per month. Treat your body because the number of atoms of each of the element in there is in the billions. Okay?

Okay.

And so let your cells enjoy what it's expecting.

Now, the hypertonic, that's definitely something that should be considered by heavily sweating people. Athletes, endurance athletes, folks who really want electrolyte replenishment and who also might be a little bit more hard charging and have a higher mineral turnover, et cetera, even though they could take the isotonic before they go to bed at night. Because the hypertonic is, from what I understand, like three times the mineral concentration of blood. That would be more. Something for the people who really need more support for strenuous physical activity. Sweating, perhaps people who are sick and need more rapid electrolyte replenishment, that type of thing.

Precisely.

You've nailed it. And also, one of the appropriate times.

To take isotonic is before you go to bed, because Dr. Michael Kessler.

I don't know if you know Michael Kessler.

He's, you know.

A very incredibly informed.

Guy who is an expert in heart rate variability. And he proved to me, I mean.

I think it was probably about maybe.

Seven, eight years ago now, I get a call on Sunday morning and, you know, and. And he goes, are you Robert Slovak? I'm going, yeah. And he says, I'm Dr. Michael Kessler. Do you know who I am? I go, no, I don't. And he goes, listen, I'm an authority.

In heart rate variability.

But he said, I have tested this with whatever, 50 patients. Do you know that one ampoule of isotonic shifts virtually everybody, based upon my heart rate variability from sympathetic to parasympathetic. Do you understand that? I go, I didn't know it. And that guy was so great. He used to come to our conferences where we had a booth and we're.

Showing products and so on, and he.

Would just have his heart rate variability and he'd say, hey, come on over.

Here, let me show you something.

He measured them. Boom, 10, 15 minutes later, the people would be in sympathetic. So I tell doctors, listen, the greatest thing you can do for your doctor's.

Office, and maybe there's not too many doctor's offices at this time, but I.

Said, the greatest thing you can do for a patient who's most certainly in sympathetic in your doctor's office, okay?

Because you're either going to stick them.

Or take his clothes off or do.

Something crazy to him.

He, you can. A great gift to your patients is to give them an isotonic while they're in the waiting room.

Okay, interesting. Now the, the other thing that I wanted to ask you about the, about kind of like, like the use of, of Quinton would be this idea, and you mentioned Tracy Deuce, for example, and we just did a podcast about this whole idea of structuring or vortexing water. I've used like water vortices in the past. You know, set water out in the sunlight, like I mentioned earlier, in front of infrared to help with the actual structuring and the formation of the so called exclusion zone that, you know, guys like Dr. Gerald Pollock at University of Washington have looked into in terms of enhancing the electrical potential of the water. But do you ever do that with Quinton? Do you ever like put it through a water vortexer or set it into infrared light or something that would enhance the absorptability?

Absolutely.

If we had our video and I would show you how I do it, I have a couple bottles with a little inter bottle vortex device that we sell called the Vortex Magnetic Energizer.

It's beautifully made, it's quite inexpensive.

And I put in a hypertonic into a liter of water or maybe even a half a hypertonic, depending on what.

I'm going to do with the water. And I expose it to the vortex, which is kind of what, maybe it's a science that very few people know about. And it's kind of based upon the.

Work of Victor schauberger from the 1920s and 30s about moving water in A.

Vortex is an implosive force that pulls in, let's say, energy from the zero point. So when you expose water to a vortex, it's typically going through at the apex of the vortex, what is called the zero point. And this entrains energy from the zero point. The universe is filled with this energy, and for all we know, it could.

Be part of dark energy.

But it entrains this energy into the water and gives it certain properties. Now, what is it doing, like, to the molecules? Well, it's not configuring the molecules. It's probably adding resonant energy to the bonds that the molecules of water are connected to and making some kind of enhanced connection between the water and the minerals that you've put in it from the hypertonic.

Okay, got it. Yeah. Like my. Have you talked to my dad, Gary, recently?

Not recently, but of course I've talked to him.

Yeah. He sent me a photo the other day because he's been developing like a new handheld vortexer that you can just, you know, to. He told. He knows I drink a lot of Pellegrino. And he said, dude, you got to start vortexing your Pellegrino by just pouring it through my water vortexing tube to allow it to get. To get a lot of those same extra hydrating properties you'd get by passing water through, basically like a toroidal vortex. And so I told him to ship one up to me. He hasn't yet, but, you know, I'm looking forward to get my hands on that.

I think it's the most viable form of water structuring. Now, what I don't agree with, with.

And my jury I'll say is, is out on this. I can't prove it, and neither can anyone else. Everyone wants to make easy exclusion zone water or fourth phase water. Okay, HBO to everybody wants to pretend.

That this is what they make. But here's what I think when you subject most structure, let's say we make a configuration in water of hexagonal, hexagonally oriented molecules of water. This has nothing to do with the bonds now, nothing to do with resonance energy. It's just the molecules. When you have this configuration that you've.

Done with whatever method you're working on.

I ask all researchers, do you believe and can you prove that that this can survive passing through the stomach? This is such a destructive force when you go through the stomach, I mean, it can dissolve a sirloin steak in 20 minutes. And I ask myself, does everybody know how delicate the structures are in water? I mean, they're fickle, they're flighty, they change every picosecond. Can you imagine putting a drop of hydrochloric acid in water? Do you think those bonds are all going to, like. Oh, like, line up like soldiers, like they did when you first structured it? So this is a big question, Ben, that I have for the whole industry, and I hope people, like, examine this more when researchers say, robert, I made a structured water, and I'm going, let me recommend you try it this way. You can have people drink your water, see what it does, et cetera. But if you want to see what your structured water really does, have them nebulize the water. This goes directly into the bloodstream through an aerosol that's made by the. That you inhale from the nebulizer.

Yeah. So, and that. That's kind of similar to like this. This desktop thing sitting right beside me right now, made by life science technology called the ENG3. Also goes back by the term a nanov. And that actually, yeah, that structure the water, it's not a nebulizer, but it's got a nasal cannula as well as just like this little, like, mouthpiece. And I can just breathe that during my day of work. I do have, across the desk from here next to me, countertop or desktop nebulizer that I bought when COVID Pandemic first started to nebulize glutathione and. Or colloidal silver and. Or hydrogen peroxide.

Have you ever nebulized hypertonic so I.

Could nebulize Quinton with this?

Absolutely. Hypertonic. You want to nebulize hypertonic because it gets too dilute in the nebulizing process. Do hypertonic. It is fantastic. I mean, the minerals are so, you.

Know, I've done it before. Dr. Matt Cook had me nebulize it when I was down at his clinic. He had me nebulize that. Nebulize glutathione. But I haven't been nebulizing Quinton here at the house. But that's a good idea because obviously I'm a fan of. Of multitasking. So anything I can do like nebulizing while I'm working on an article, you know, at my desk, that's easy for me. So maybe I'll try. I've got a writing session later on this afternoon, so maybe I'll try nebulizing it.

Well, here's a cool thing to know. In Barcelona, there's a clinic called the Pros Clinic P R O S. Okay. And the pros clinic is a respiratory disease clinic. I've been there two times with my jaw open.

Also, almost everything. Quinton makes your jaw drop.

And all they do for all. I mean, they handle everything from cystic fibrosis to pneumonia. Everything you can name. And all they use is nebulization of Quinton. And you nebulize a liter of Quinton.

Oh, wow.

And they have these special nebulizers.

You actually take your shirt off and.

It nebulizes, not just as you would through your nasal passages, but, you know, it gets in your ear and the nebulization is dripping down your chest.

They've been around for, whatever, 25 years.

And they handle all the respiratory diseases just with Quinton. Isotonic and hypertonic.

I mean, it.

It's mind blowing.

Fascinating. Wow. Well, you know, this is super interesting.

I know you.

You have like. Like I mentioned, Quicksilver Scientific has the. Has the Quinton. But. But I know on your website where, based on our previous two episodes, you have a lot of the other stuff we've talked about, like the high hydrogen tablets or the hydrogen tablets or the chromium. You have the Kington as well. Yeah. And I know we have a 10% discount code, greenfield, for anybody who wants that at Water and Wellness. You can use that code or I'll link to it the show notes@bengreenfieldfitness.com seawater that's bengreenfieldfitness.com Seawater and I would recommend you go to the Show Notes because you should listen to my episode on Hydrogen water with Robert and then also my episode on water filters, because I get a lot of questions about both those as well. And a lot of people are unaware that we've kind of unpacked that quite a bit in previous podcasts. But I really want to devote this show to Quinton just because I'm asked so much about it. And honestly, there were a few things about it I didn't fully understand that I do now. So this has been incredibly helpful. And I think if you're listening in, just grab a little bit of the isotonic. Take some of that before you go to bed at night. Get some of that hypertonic and take some of that when you wake up in the morning.

Yeah. 30 minutes.

Minutes before you eat.

Oh, 30 minutes before you eat.

15 to 30 minutes is the best.

Time to take Quinton before a meal.

Why?

Because the meal will entrain and react with all the minerals.

It's unpredictable how it will do it.

But you really want it to get into the bloodstream as directly and unencumbered.

Oh, you're saying just don't drink it on an empty stack stomach.

No, drink it on an empty stomach or do.

I'm sorry, do drink it on an empty stomach. Yeah, yeah. Well, I just do the two. Well, typically, depending on how rigorous my day is going to be, basically I just do 1 to 2 of the hypertonic, like I mentioned, in the morning with my morning big glass of water with the hydrogen tablets and the vitamin C. And then I just do the isotonic in the evening or in the later afternoon or early evening. Evening.

So we just came out.

I don't know if you've seen it.

We just came out with the 10 milliliter, which is the same as the ampoule sachets of Quinton for like traveling.

Or guys who are into sports, etc.

Yeah, yeah. And those work well too, if people don't want to mess around with the glass or have one of the little glass vials, you know, explode in your bag. So. Well, cool. Robert, this has been super helpful. You know, I'm gonna have to have you on again in the future because I know you've got, got, you know, so many other things we've been bouncing back and forth from, you know, new, new, new research on hydrogen water to, to different forms of reverse osmosis technology. You know, there's so much that we haven't had a chance to talk about, but we were having a quick discussion before we started recording, and you said you've got some cool little, little things you've been doing that might be better demonstrated via video. So if, if you have some, some, some. Some of the technology you've been messing around with that you want to send over to me, I can also, I can put those in the show notes as well for people who want to check out some video demonstrations of some of the unique water technologies that you've kind of been using. And I think that would be kind of cool to put in the show notes. So if you send any of that over or send me a Dropbox link or whatever, I'll put that in the show notes as well for people.

Very good.

Appreciate it.

Awesome. All right, folks, so BenGreenfieldFitness.com Cwater S E A Water is where the show notes are. Water and Wellness is Robert's website code. Over there is Greenfield. If you want to save 10% on anything at Water and Wellness or you can just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com WaterAndWellness and also listen to my other two podcast episodes with Robert about water filtration and about. About hydrogen water, because I think they're fascinating as well. I also have an interview, like Robert mentioned, with Tracy Duze from San Diego, where we discuss water quite a bit, as well as with my father, Gary Green Field, in which we discuss structured water quite a bit. So all of those would be good resources for you as well. I'll link to those in the show notes. In the meantime, Robert, thanks so much for coming on the show again, man, and sharing all this stuff with us.

Very welcome, Ben. I'm going to give your dad a call soon.

Oh, yeah, you should. You should.

We got a chat.

Yeah, you got. You guys should definitely do it. All right, folks, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Robert Slovak signing out from BenGreenfield Fitness.com have an amazing week.

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