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Performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. He's back. The great Dr. Matt Cook joins us again today. The episode you are about to hear, we actually recorded at my house. And we recorded some time ago, we actually, before this whole coronavirus pandemic or anything, Dr. Matt Cook, who's been on my show like five times, one of my favorite functional medicine docs in existence, he flew up to my house. As he does occasionally, and as we are prone to do, we did our cold pool and our sauna and hot tub and geeked out with all manner of body optimization. And. And then we. We sat down, we stuffed our face with microphones and talked to you guys for a while about gut health, everything you need to know about small intestine, bacterial overgrowth and fungus and how to fix your gut. I think you'll. You'll really dig today's show. And at the time that we recorded it, I was actually having gut issues that Matt was working with me on. And I have seen a profound improvement ever since implementing the system, the system that he's developed for healing the gut. So I think you're gonn today's show. Welcome to the show, everybody. I'm sitting at my kitchen table here with the wonderful Matt Cook. You don't have any smoothie on your face. How's my face look?

You look great.

Clean. Did you like that smoothie?

You look like the face of God. And the voice of God.

The voice of God, the deep. We've established possibly male booming voice. Matt and I have been geeking out all morning. What have we done so far? This morning, before I tell people the smoothie recipe, we got up, we did vibration foam ro and the five Tibetan longevity exercises and a bunch of body work. And then we both did the full body joov light. But to get our circadian rhythms going, we did the. What were those? The recharger glasses. The re timer, glasses, the ear things, and the human charger. So we got the circadian rhythms going because kind of gray here in Spokane, a rainy day. So we wanted to get a blast of both near infrared and red light, but then also the regular sunlight exposure. And then Matt did some. Some pulsed electromagnetic field therapy on his back, which was amazing. Did you like that?

That was awesome.

Yeah. This opener that I have, and if you guys are listening, I have this one on YouTube. You lay on this pulsed electromagnetic field pad, and you kind of, like move your hips back and forth, then flip over and do the same thing on the front side. Just releases all the low back and the hip muscles and the psoas.

It's amazing because when you do the pemf, when you roll over onto your side, you feel it hit the psoas and the iliopsoas.

Yeah.

As you' holding. And it's, like, crazy how intense that is.

Yeah, it's a really great move for the hips. And Matt's pouring himself little French press. And we did a nature walk where we worked on vagus nerve activation by keeping our eyes really wide open and using the peripheral vision as we walked through the forest and did a lot of deep breathing in through the nose to awaken the senses and kind of kept the ears open. And then we walked in silence for a while through the snow, which is a really great way to just kind of connect to nature. In the morning, we were talking about, when I'm at home, I always do typically the sauna with cold pool or go on a walk, just because I like to ease myself kind of parasympathetically into the day and then go. Go crush the gym later on in the day. And so we've done all that. And then we had a smoothie.

Oh, we had a hot tub.

Oh. And then we. Then we jumped in the hot tub.

Yeah.

So we had planned on starting this. To record this podcast for you in the wee hours of the morning. It's already noon. Just getting what was in the smoothie. Well, let's see the base. So there's always, like, a base, right. Sometimes it's bone broth, sometimes it's coconut milk. But lately what I've been using is I have camel's milk. I order camel's milk from the. I think it's just called the Camel's Milk Company down in California. So it doesn't have the inflammatory A1 protein that cow's milk has. It's all A2 protein. And what I do is I've got these kefir grains and I ferment the kefir grains in camel's milk for about 24 to 36 hours. I just kind of give it a taste as it goes. And when it gets mildly sour, that's a good sign that the kefir grains have digested any lactose sugars and basically fermented to create this wonderful probiotic rich compound that's got L. Rooteri in it. It's got it. Actually I found this out recently. It specifically causes the production of collagen peptides when you consume kefir. And so you're actually producing your own peptides in the gut when you create this kefir when you drink this ke. So that was the base we used, but I mixed the kefir up with a bunch of colostrum. So I put a bunch of colostrum from these grass fed goats into the camel's milk kefir and that was the base of the smoothie. And then to that we added some organic raw cacao powder from Addictive Wellness to give it that those theobromines and dopamines, added a few scoops of the organifi super greens powder. We put some creatine in there, not only because we're trying to get swole, but also for the little nootropic effect that creatine can give you, we put a really potent antioxidant in there called C60. C60 in olive oil. For those of you who don't know what C60 is, go and listen to my podcast with Ian Mitchell and I'll link to all this stuff I'm talking about. If you guys go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com GI reset because our whole podcast or a lot of our podcasts today is going to be about the gut. So BenGreenfieldFitness.com.

I love him by the way. He's like super great.

Ian Mitchell.

Yeah.

So we get. So we had C60 in there with the camel's milk and the greens and the cacao powder. And then I put a little bit of Ceylon cinnamon in there to kind of stabilize the blood sugar. A little bit of organic stevia. I get this wonderful stevia from a mica organics to give it a little bit of sweetness. We put a little bit of this nut butter in there. That's a blend of flaxseed, chia seed, almond and pumpkin. So we had this nut butter in there. And then before blending, was there anything else I threw in there? I think those were Those were the biggies. And then after blending, you add a bunch of ice. Right. To get. So I get, like, this thick ice, creamy texture you can eat with a spoon. So. Oh, remember the last thing I put in there for texture? Organic pumpkin mash, which is wonderful as, like, a secondary base for a smoothie. So we've got, like, those. Those nine, ten different ingredients in. Then we blend it all up, and we topped it with organic dark chocolate chunks and unsweetened coconut flakes for a little bit of texture. And that was it. That was breakfast.

That's the mana of heaven.

We would have had to have paid, like, 50 bucks for that at a coffee shop.

Yep. Yeah.

But it's fun to make these things. I love making my morning smoothie, and.

I think I love watching you make it more than you love making it.

So, yeah, it's a ton of fun. So anyways, though, so to give you guys some background on this podcast, first of all, Dr. Matt Cook, my guest on today's show, this officially, once this episode is released, will make him the most. What would you call it? The most frequent guest on the Ben Greenfield Fitness show of all time.

Nice.

Yeah. Because this will be your fifth podcast you've done with me, and we have covered in the past everything from ketamine to vagus nerve reset resets to ozone therapy to placental matrix and peptides. Matt and I have covered a ton of stuff in previous episodes, and I'm going to link to all of our previous episodes if you guys just want to geek out. If you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Gireset on about a quarterly basis, I actually fly down to San Jose and I go see Matt at his clinic, and he geeks out on me for, like, two to three days with all these new protocols. And he occasionally comes up to my house too. And right now he's got a suitcase full of. Was that ultrasound imaging stuff? So we're gonna do like, an ultrasound imaging and nerve hydrodissection on the go later on this afternoon, so we might.

Shoot some right on the kitchen table.

Videos for you guys. But Matt is the founder of Bio Reset Medical, Bioreset Medical, and it's a whole regenerative medical clinic just doing a ton of things that you've probably never before seen in a facility. But he com that with functional medicine and self quantification and even some. Some things to treat PTSD and trauma like ketamine. And so he's got all these different things going on at his facility. And he also advises A bunch of different medical companies. He does physician training programs. He works with sexual performance optimization as well, which we're going to touch on today for those of you who have no interest in the gut whatsoever. But I was down in San Jose about five months ago, and I had what's really a difficult conversation for me because you guys. For those of you listening in, just so you know, it's sometimes hard for me being a person that people look up to as a guy who's supposed to be the icon of health, who's supposed to present this perfect picture of himself to the world to admit that he's having health problems. And for the past two years, I have increasingly, and I spelled this out to Matt about six months ago, I have increasingly been dealing with gut issues like bloating and gas in the afternoons and even like, low back and hip pain that seems to be related to some type of inflammation going on in the gut and just a change in my bowel movement patterns. And it's been kind of humbling for me because I'm supposed to have everything figured out, right? Like, I'm supposed to perfect icon of health. And I talked to Matt and I was just like, dude, can we look at this and see if maybe you can identify what's going on? And A, we found some really interesting things that a lot of other people deal with too, which is why we wanted to record this podcast for you. B, Matt came up with some very unique protocols that he's turning into this entire system for resetting and rebooting the gut that I thought you all would be really interested in. And I really think those are the two main things, A and B, those are the two things we came up with. And so what you're going to learn today, in addition to some of the discussions Matt and I will have later on about what he's doing for Sexual performance optimization and for PTSD and some of these more cutting edge protocols. He's doing, like, ozone dialysis, which is absolutely amazing. What you guys are going to learn is how to figure out what's going on in your gut when you have these type of related to things like mold, mycotoxins, small intestine, bacterial overgrowth, biofilm. And that's just a preview of all the. All the shit, literally, that's going on in my gut right now. And you're gonna have to learn how to kiss that goodbye with a specific protocol that Matt has designed to be able to go after some of this stuff. So did I set us up pretty well? Matt to dig in.

You couldn't have done any better.

Okay. All right, so that's where we're at, folks. So, a. A, Ben is having health issues. B, a lot of people are struggling with these same issues, and Matt's seeing this over and over again in his clinic. And C, we're going to talk about not only what to do about it, what you can do about it, but also some other really cool advanced health concepts that Matt's working at. So to begin, Matt, guy like me comes to you, dude, Doc, stuff's going on in the gut. What do you do? What do you look at? How do you quantify?

So that's so awesome that you're sort of talking like this, because I think that this, what is happening with you is probably one of the most common presentations. That's an antecedent to all big problems. And so when people start to have problems in their intestines, that's where your entire immune system is. And then that creates immune system dysfunction, and then that creates inflammation and stress throughout the body that can begin to start to affect other organ systems. And so. And based on what I found, it's kind of surprising how amazing. It's amazing that you have the voice of God and the face of God.

I think the way you put it to me was that. That the fact that I'm still put together based on what's going on in my gut, the fact that I'm even, like, getting out of bed in the morning and traveling all over the world and doing what I'm doing, it's probably just all these biohacks and stuff that.

I'm doing, because you're totally dialed in, but you're totally dialed in downstream, right? And so then I'll dig in. So then what I said, and I thought, oh, this is gonna be super easy because he's super healthy. And so I have to admit I took it only semi seriously. But then what we did is we did some very advanced stool testing, and we did stool testing. And the first thing that I do is I do stool testing with multiple different companies, because often one. One company may miss something, and they use different techniques to look at it. And then I also have someone who looks at your stool with a microscope, and then they go in and they look for trophy sites, and they look for cysts, and they look for parasites, particularly under the microscope.

And which test was that?

That was the stool test.

That was the Genova Diagnostics?

No, that was the Echo University stool test.

Called an Echo University stool test.

And so then this is, and that's kind of a boutique one that we actually just mail it to this doctor, Dr. Ibrahim, who's a famous parasitologist. But then what, what we found is, is that you had roundworm.

I'm gonna brace everybody. Brace yourself. This is everything we found in my gut. And remember, like, for the past 20 years I've swimming in sewage filled water and triathlons in Thailand to walking barefoot through the streets of Bangkok to all sorts of crazy stuff. So this was incredibly surprising to me. But go ahead and dig in, Matt.

So you had two roundworms and then you had an amoeba. So you had three parasites. And I had seen giardia in you in the past, so you had four parasites. And that's kind of almost like an occupational hazard of your lifestyle. So you were probably always going to pick those up. And what those tend to do is they tend to burrow into the wall of your intestine and your small intestine and then they tend to create a biofilm around them. And so then now they're just living there and food's being washed down, but they create this biofilm that looks kind of like pond scum that protects them from being washed away. And then they have life cycles where two week life cycles where sometimes they're in a cyst form, sometimes they're active. And so it's hard to kill them because the, if you kill them today, some of the cyst forms are isolated and protected and then they come back out.

And so this is like something out of the movie Aliens.

It's kind of like, it's kind of like it. Yeah. And that's it. And, and honestly, if it, if it, wait, if it goes long enough, they start to bear, burrow all the way through the intestines and cause mass problems.

Wow.

And so then you've got, you've got, you had four parasites.

And, and, and for me, considering this has been going on for like about two years, these things have had a lot of time to do some damage.

Right. And so then when I see that much stuff going on and when I, when I hear people having symptoms, I begin to think, oh, is mold involved in this? Because whether it's Lyme, whether it's GI things, if somebody has mold illness. Mold illness plus Lyme or mold illness plus parasites presents differently. And so then it takes us down a different sort of algorithm. And so I did a test where I looked to see if you had mycotoxins in your urine, which you had a lot of, and then I did a test. Which test is the Great Plains? That's a Great Plains mold urine test.

Okay.

And then I did a test that Andrew Campbell, who's one of the. I think, the smartest mold guy in the country, and you should have him on your podcast. And we did the MyMyCo. And the MyMyCo looks to see if your immune system.

That's a blood test.

Exactly. And it's a test of antibodies to see if your immune system is making antibodies to mold toxins. And mycotoxins are basically a byproduct that mold makes when it divides. And so you had incredibly high levels of mycotoxins or mycotoxin antibodies fluttering around in your bloodstream.

You sent me over the results, and it was lit up like a Christmas tree.

A moldy Christmas tree.

A moldy Christmas tree.

Yeah. And then the final thing that you had is a couple things. You had low bifidobacterium, which is an important part of your immune system in terms of the microbiome analysis. And then you had Candida. And what happens is when there are parasites and immune dysregulation, and the immune dysregulation in the gut comes from the combination of the parasites and then that mold. Because what happens with the mold is that your immune system is looking for the mycotoxins, but it can't get all the way into the intestine, where the mold actually is living in that biofilm. And so then the immune system ends up being really stressed. And so then what happens is you get Candida, and Candida is yeast. And that only shows up as an opportunistic. Opportunistic infection when other things are going on.

Okay. All right. So we're talking about round worms, huge levels of mold, and mycotoxins, probably a biofilm. Candida albicans.

And.

There was one other thing. Oh, it showed high levels of GI inflammation, which is no surprise. And then low levels of the bifidobacterium, low levels of the lactobacillus. So just essentially like a storm in the gut.

And one gram negative bacteria.

One gram negative bacteria. And usually something like this would start with, for example, a parasite or start with mold and mycotoxin. Or is it one or the other that this typically starts with for people the way that.

I think. So if you. If you step back, usually there's one thing that happened, and in your case, I predict you've been running around and being adventurous. And as a result, I think you picked up the parasites. Right. That led to the biofilm, and then you got exposed to a little bit of mold. Some people will have work in a mold damaged building, and so then they're breathing it in. And then that was their initial thing. If they also had a parasite, then they'll have a respiratory effect from breathing it in as well as a gi. But if they don't, they may not have any effect on their gi. Other people may be eating a lot of mycotoxins and mold, and they could get it in that way. But I think you probably picked it up somehow. But the mold probably came after the parasites, and then the combination of those two things created basically stress for your immune system, and then you just haven't been able to get past it.

Right. Okay. So once you've established that, soso, just to summarize for people, we did a mymyco blood test, which looks at antibodies that would be produced if you'd been exposed to mold and mycotoxins, a Great Plains laboratory mycotox urine test. And that one looked at, again, what.

That looks at the mycotoxins, at the.

Actual mycotoxins toxins themselves.

And so then how to think about that is if you've seen a piece of bread and you see the green that is on, that's the mold.

Okay.

And then what happens is mold releases these little toxins that are neurotoxins and have a whole bunch of negative effects in general and on our immune system and create inflammation. And those are nanoparticles that the mold releases, but they're not actual mold. And so then if you have mold living in you and it's secreting those mycotoxins, what your body is reacting to is the mycotoxin, but it's not actually reacting to the mold, although it may actually the mold in the biofilm can be having an inflammatory effect as well.

Right. And that's what the urine test is showing. Then finally, the stool analysis, which looked at, like, the yeast, parasites, fungus, things like that, and bacteria and bacteria.

Basically everything you could have, you had, had. So you had the Happy Meal, which is crazy.

I had the Happy Meal.

All right.

For me. All right. Yay.

All right.

So once you. You gather this data and you find this stuff out about what's going on the gut, and I realize that we'll rabbit hole a little bit as we go through this. And. And again, for those of you who are trying to keep up, I'm going to be spelling all this out, too, at BenGreenfieldFitness.com Gireset Once you find all this stuff out, then what's the protocol? Where do you go from there?

So then the most important thing is to try to get a sense then of who's the person. And so I'll have two people show up in my office. And this is so sort of awesome to kind of wrap your head around with these same things. I'll have one person who can barely get out of bed and as sick as a dog and has like 45 things going on. And that's because they didn't do any of the biohacking stuff that you do. And their detox pathways aren't working. Nothing else is working. And they have this. Right. So that's.

And they also possibly do not live in as clean an environment as I, as I tend to spend a lot of my time in here at our pristine compound. But then, you know, at the same time, you know, who knows how many condos, Airbnbs, hotel rooms, apartments. You know, in the other half of my life, I live throughout the world, right. Getting this stuff aggravated.

Right. So then the other one is you. And so then the goal is to start to onboard a series of things that I put in the category of GI detox. And so in broad terms, I need to do something that's an antimicrobial that's going to kill things. In broad terms, I have to do something that is going to break down that biofilm. And then in broad terms, I have to do start to restore and reset your microbiome, the balance of the good and bad bacteria. And then I specifically, you have to go back to the beginning. Where did this all start? And I think this all started with the parasites. And so we need to fix that because that is what's causing you these symptoms in the afternoon.

Okay, got it. Meaning, like the increasing amount of gas bloating, et cetera, that builds up throughout the day with really, for me personally, you know, having messed around with everything from a carnivore diet to a low fodmap diet to, you know, all sorts of different protocols to see if I could control this. The only thing that eliminates the gas and bloating is pure straight up water fasting, which of course is not sustainable for life, especially for very active guys like myself.

Right. And so then before we kind of walk through treatment, let's chat a little bit about sibo.

Okay.

Because I think that's super useful in, in the, the perspective of this because.

This is very common.

This is super.

Especially even if people don't have say roundworm or candida. The SIBO thing is quite common. Spell that out for people.

So SIBO stands for S, I, B, O, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

Okay.

And so then in bit in big terms, and I just try to kind of think about this. The. The food goes from your stomach into the small intestine. And the small intestine is the size of my pinky, but it's 30ft long. Okay.

Divided into three parts, meaning it is the diameter.

The diameter of. It says tiny.

Right.

And then.

And that's smaller than I think a lot of people think. I think some people think it's like more like a garden hose, but it's about the diameter of the pinky.

The inside's kind of like the diameter of the picture. It's real small. And then the. The colon is the size of your biceps. Gun Joe.

Yeah, it's a good size colon.

It's a good size colon. And so then what. What happened?

Are you saying that. That people's poops should be as big as their biceps?

They should be. They should be about.

In which case I'd have some pretty damn big shits. It would be because I got me some.

You're going to. When I'm done with you, you're going to.

Okay, wonderful.

So then what happens is the small intestine is sterile. So there's not supposed to be any bacteria, yeast, fungi, parasites, nothing in there. However, things can attach and start living in there. So you can have a parasite that can start to live there. The other thing that can happen is some bacteria could go on a road trip from the colonial and come up and start to live there. They're trying to get ahead in the food line. And so if there's bacteria living in there, we call that small intestinal bacterial growth or overgrowth. And so now yeast can also be living in there. Now what happens if you feed sugar to bacteria or yeast?

It's going to multiply. It's going to lesser food.

Yeah, but the way they eat it as they ferment it. Right. And so then if bacteria or yeast ferment sugar in your small intestine, which is the size of my pinky, what that does is that that creates gas and bloating. Right.

And I don't want to derail you here from the explanation of sibo, but I think a lot of people, and I realized this after I did some digging, don't realize that even, you know, meat can ferment to a certain extent. And so this is not something where you can Just switch to like a carnivore diet and necessarily get rid of the potential for bacterial fermentation, especially by some of the sulfur producing bacteria.

Right. And how I think about. I'm kind of liking how I'm thinking about this too lately, is that just like there's a spectrum of autism and Asperger's, or there's all of these different spectrums of health conditions. I think there's a little bit of a spectrum in terms of Sibo. So some people can have a little bit of overgrowth, some people have a ton of overgrowth of bacteria or yeast. Now if I've got this thing that's the diameter of my pinky and I've got bacteria making gas in there, then that gas starts to distend the wall. And then if it distends the wall, it creates leaky gut. And if it creates leaky gut, all of a sudden little bits of undigested food or other things that are in the biofilms in there start to get into the bloodstream. And now your immune system sees undigested gluten or undigested corn and goes, oh, my God, I'm being attacked. Because it doesn't know the difference because it's not used to having undigested proteins in the blood. And then that creates immune dysregulation with food allergies. And that's like a whole nother thing.

So you're saying that in Austin Powers Fat Bastard, who says, I've got pieces of corn in my crap bigger than you, basically somebody with distention and sibo has pieces of corn in their blood.

Yeah, Fat Bastard had Sibo.

Fat Bastard had sibo.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So then, so then now what I would say is that you've had a couple Sibo breath tests that were very mildly positive. And because in your lifestyle, you eat a very small amount of sugar and you eat a relative carnivore diet, and you're doing everything to kind of minimize the amount of sugars that come in. And having a pretty low glycemic diet, you have some bacteria that are kind of got into the house party that's going on in the biofilm that you have that has parasites and mold. But it's not overwhelming. And so your symptoms are not as bad as they could be. If you ate sugar and went to McDonald's every day, you would have horrible. You would have horrible sibo. Right.

And that's backed up by the fact that if I do include fermentable foods in my diet, this can just be a self test for people with probably the two biggest fermentable foods in a FODMAP type of protocol being onions and garlic. Right. The very, very worst that I have felt in the past six months was when I took my kids to Dubai where we were eating tahini and garlic and onions, all these fermentable foods on these Mediterranean plates, and I literally would have a balloon in my stomach every afternoon. And so if that describes you and you're listening in, especially if you do garlic and onions. And it's funny because when this first started a couple years ago, one of my favorite things to do at the whole food salad bar was get the roasted garlic. And I would get a rotisserie chicken and some sweet bits, But I'd always put a giant few tablespoons, probably like 12 garlic cloves in, along with the potatoes and everything. And I would just be a balloon afterwards. And so if you eat garlic and onions and get this kind of bloating, it's a pretty good sign that you probably struggle with some type of a small intestine bacterial overgrowth.

Right. And so then the thing that you can do that's almost like a home run for this is to go onto a low fodmap diet. And one. One of them is called specific carbohydrate diet. One of them is called the gaps diet. There's a bunch of different sort of just dietary approaches. And what I like to say is if you imagine that biofilm is like a castle, we got to starve them out to some extent. And so in general, a good strategy is to avoid those fermentable things, Avoid vegetables that are high in sugar, and avoid all fruit while you're kind of going through this. And to the extent that you do that often, that starves them. The only caveat that I'll say is sometimes if you are gonna. And we'll kind of work our way through this, if I'm giving you things, they're gonna start to kill the bacteria and the parasites and the sibo, Then it's okay to take. Give them a little bit of. Give a little bit of sugar right before you do that, because it's kind of like chumming the water. And so you're going to bring them out, and then we're going to just kill them.

Okay. All right. So that's what SIBO is. For those of you who want the brief overview of sibo, now let's get into what this systematic protocol is that you use, because there's a Lot of little pieces of it. And I think it's important that people understand because this information is out there. I know that you can't just do something like, you know, whatever, a tincture of oil of oregano in the morning and the evening or just go low fodmap or perhaps just take some kind of anti parasitic medication. There's this entire step by step protocol that you've created and I want to hear more about what that is. If you can walk people through this.

Okay, so then first there's gonna, we're going to have to look at this and get a sense of the severity and when the first point to make is that when I see something this complex and this many parasites, I made a decision that we're going to go for drugs to kill the parasites in addition to my protocol. And so I'm doubling down on fixing this. But generally, and most of the time I go with herbal and natural approaches and I start with two or three things at a time. If people are sick, I'll start with one at a time and I'll onboard them to that and then work my way through. And so then the first thing that I'll start with is an immunoglobulin protect which is, it's bovine immunoglobulins and they take. And these are immunoglobulins from cows and these are basically like antibodies and they bind on to gram negative bacteria which you have. They'll bind onto parasites and it's, it's like a, it's like a very rarefied version of Colostrum. And then, and yeah, because that's what.

Colostrum has in it is a lot of those immunoglobulins. But you'd rather use that than colostrum.

Well, so for the sickest, almost nobody who's sick will react to that. Even some people will react to colostrum. And so that's like my 1.0. Colostrum is an amazing 2.0 to add on. And so, and, and so then I'll work my, my way through, through that part.

Obviously mostly because your skin is just glowing from the tablespoons and tablespoons you just out of that. I know, in your smoothie.

Yeah. If you're the face of God, I'll be the face of Jesus.

There we go.

So then, So then the next thing is to start to break down those biofilms and I will start to add in biofilm busters. Now the issue is I'm trying to break down these biofilms I've got five or six different strategies and different products and different companies that I use. And sometimes when you start to give people biofilm busters, they will start to have detox reactions because you're killing. And then the bacteria that are yeast, that are living in there are parasites, will start to activate and grow and try to recreate it. So then digestive enzymes, which I've been having you take, which really haven't been that helpful, but I got you going on the protocol. And the two that I like the most is serrapeptidase and baluc.

And what are these ends? Because most people will think of digestive enzymes as something you'd use to digest fats or proteins or carbohydrates, depending on the specific enzyme, prior to a meal. But they can also be used therapeutically to break down biofilms.

Yeah.

When taken on an empty stomach or do you take them with a meal?

Well, you're gonna take them on an empty stomach if you want them to break down the biofilm.

Biofilm, not in the food. Because that's important for people to know. They can't just continue their digestive enzyme protocol taking it right before a meal. You'd. Instead, because I've been doing is on an empty stomach in the morning and in the evening beginning to use enzymes.

Right. And so those enzymes are important parts of so many different protocols for different organ systems and people in use for cancer. It's like. But when those digestive enzymes go down through the stomach and then they go into the small intestine where that biofilm is, they start to break up that biofilm just like they would break up food. So they're going to break up the collagen and the biofilm. And so we've got those two. There's one, the next one that is doloroseidin, which has monolaurin in it. And monolaurin is a fantastic biofilm buster that does not cause much flare.

Now loricidin, is that related to the, the lauric acid that you'd find in something like coconut oil, which some people will use as like an antiviral or anti deteriorate. So this is an extract of that that you could use without, for example, the calorie punch of just like consuming a bunch of coconut oil.

Exactly. And so you get. So you get a little bit of an antimicrobial effect from that, but then you're also getting a biofilm busting component to that. Interesting. You know, the stevia that you put in our drink has Some biofilm busting effects too, by the way.

I knew that when I put it in there. I said sweetness, but I really just.

You meant it, you meant it in your. You were just quietly in your mind. Yeah. And so I'm smarter than you think. I would like to say. I knew that, but I didn't. I can't, I can't have known that because you're smarter than I thought.

Yeah, exactly.

So. So that's hilarious. But. And what I'll do. And I kind of did this with you because I started you on the protocol and you didn't get worse, which is awesome because then that means now the protocol. So we're. I'm going to layer in the monolauren and then, then I have another biofilm buster that I use that has EDTA in it.

Okay.

And that will start to chelate out any minerals that are in the biofilm and that further starts to break down the home where these things are. So now and then what happens is I have to put you on some herbal approaches that are going to be killing both the parasites, yeast and bacteria in the small intestine. So we're going to be hitting those and I got three different ones. So we're doing artemisinin and then we're doing GI synergy, which has a nice synergistic approach to. To killing. And they have a parasite, a bacteria and a yeast within that.

So you're hitting all three, by the way, the artemisinin, you know, because I, I do so much like, you know, plant foraging and out in the wilderness, I love to learn about natural ways to get some of this stuff. But that's essentially wormwood, isn't it?

Yeah.

Which grows like weeds outside. So if it was spring or summer, we could have just had a wormwood smoothie this morning.

Yeah. And then you would have been cleared the need.

Yeah.

And so then I'll do. And then. So then now. And then in parallel to that, I'll give liposomal glutathione, which will help restore basically the antioxidant and health of the intestines as we're doing this. And then I'm going to, I'm going to stagger you with a series of different probiotics. And that series of probiotics starts to restore and reset the balance.

Now, question, because I know people are going to ask this, so I'm going to save us some work in the comments section of this show when you're taking the probiotics, but you're also taking these things that Kill bacteria in the small intestine. Aren't the probiotics also being killed?

Right. So you're trying to separate them a little bit. And so I'm taking probiotics generally at night, and then I'm just spritzing them through. And it's slightly different times than when you take everything else. And then, you know, another thing that you can do is you can, you can take probiotics and then you can mix them up with saline and then you can put them in an enema. So there's. And so then you're getting them straight into the colon.

Yeah, and that's actually what I was going to ask you about, glutathione as well, because that fellow we've been talking to, Dr. John Laurence down in Sarasota, who knocked us both flat on our ass.

I don't just call him the Sandman.

He's the Sandman. So, you guys, I've already talked about John. He's actually gonna fly up here next, I think in two months and we're gonna record a podcast. But amongst other things, what this doc in Florida is doing is he's making suppositories. He's got like glutathione suppositories, probiotic suppositories, but for sleep he has this travel hacking kit and it's essentially intranasal glutathione spray. And then a high, high dose, like 100 milligram melatonin suppository and a 300 milligram CBD suppository. And last time I was in San Jose, I gave one of each to Matt and he used them. And it was really funny because we were going to get up and go to the gym the next morning at like 7am and I'm texting Matt at like 8:30 with no reply. I didn't want to go upstairs and wake him up because I was just crashing on the floor of his, his, of his living room. And he woke up I think at like 8:39 and we finally headed to the gym. And I think you were literally like falling asleep in the locker room at the gym still.

Oh yeah, I woke up. I woke up that day at one o' clock in the afternoon. But, but I mean, like, I, I sleep like a baby with, with no, with no melatonin. So like 2mg melatonin is amazing for me. Like, so that I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I. And you know what's interesting? This is an interesting thing in life. As you handed it to me, I looked and I saw that it said the Sandman. And then I thought, I wonder what that means. And then I thought, oh, it's from Ben. I'm sure it's gonna be fine.

Of course.

But I should have, I should. My, I should have. That should have tempted me to ask another question.

And by the way, I, I wouldn't necessarily endorse using something like that every night, but I'm actually looking because I just discovered this. I'm going to India in a couple weeks, so I'm going to take this on long haul travel to kind of reset my circadian when I get to where I'm going. So anyways, yeah, it's called the travel hacking. I'll find a link and put it in the show notes for you guys. I think it's called the travel hacking kit. So anyways, you've got, you were talking about how you wanted to do liposomal glutathione or. And then, and then the probiotics.

Yeah. So now basically we're breaking down biofilm, we're doing herbal approaches to killing, and then I'm hooking up with glutathione, and then we're restoring your microbiome through a diversity of different things. Okay.

All right, so we've got that whole stack. And that would be considered the parasite reset component.

Exactly. Except for the fact that you're going to do albendazole and you're going to do a, a course of three antiparasitics and it's only going to be a total of 12 days of treatment.

But these would be the pharmaceuticals.

These are the pharmaceuticals. And so what that's going to do is that's going to, by a drug mechanism, start to kill those. And what I'm doing with what I found is people do way better because that biofilm exists. And what will happen a lot of the times is I'll see people and when they come in and see me, they said, oh, I saw somebody, I got treated. And then it came back. And then I got treated and came back. And then I'll sit and try to figure out when this happened. And I'll typically hear like, in your case, it's been like two years. I talk to people all the time. It's like, oh, yeah, we had this, I've had this problem for 8 years, 10 years, 15 years. And so it's super important to do this comprehensive approach where you're restoring the microbiome, you're breaking down that biofilm, and you're really comprehensively doing something. And I started saying this to everybody. I said, we're going to spend six months to a year and you're going to go on kind of a healthier diet. And it's going to be fun, it's going to be amazing. It's going to be awesome.

Not necessarily a healthier, because my diet was already healthy, but more like a diet that eliminates some of the fermentable compounds that while healthy, such as the wonderful kimchi and sauerkraut we have in there in the refrigerator, or such as things like apples or onions or garlic. We're not vilifying those as being unhealthy, but saying that in the case where you have these type of issues going on, those are giving the bacteria highly fermentable compounds that they can use to multiply and grow, right?

And then if they grow, then they're starting to release toxins that can have all kinds of side effects. Lipopolysaccharide, it gets into your. It creates brain fog. And so we see people with kind of crazy things. And so I kind of approach it as, this isn't the rest of your life. Next year, you're going to be able to kind of go out and have a great time. And then even in the short term, let's say in the short term, we decide to go back to the Middle east, because I would super like to go there. Then when we are eating that stuff, then we're going to be prepared to be. Because if we're chumming the water with that garlic, then what we're going to do is we're going to layer in a bunch of antimicrobials to kill what we brought out.

We can also just do lamb, roast chicken, and tzatziki and still be fine with that. Okay, so that's the parasite reset component. But then there are a couple of other things that you throw in there for what I believe you call your GI reset. And then like this cellular detox type of protocol.

Right? So what happens is so many people are they're toxic, not just at the level of the gut, but they're toxic at the level of the cells. And so we're trying to help people basically detox at a cellular level. And so I have a protocol that uses the same glutathione, but then we're using a zeolite, and it's a really small form of zeolite that helps shuttle toxins, including mycotoxins, but then also including metals and metals can be a big situation for a lot of people. And so then now you start to shuttle and move toxins and metals out of the cell, and then it moves down a concentration gradient, and then it moves to the liver and then gets pushed into the gut. And then once it gets pushed into the gut, then we give a binder, and that binder, and we use four different binders in our binder binds onto all of those biological toxins. And one of the other things that it does is it binds onto those mold toxins. So now this is a real important part of this parasite thing. And this, I think, is going to really make sense to you because the mold that is living in you was making these mycotoxins. Some of the mycotoxins are just staying in the intestine, and then some of the mycotoxins are getting into your bloodstream, and we found them in your urine. Now, the situation with that is if I give you a binder that binds onto that and mops all of that up, and if I do that, then it's just going to get pooped out in that poop that's the size of your biceps. And then that's going to. Once I take that away, then your immune system isn't facing those mycotoxins all the time. And so then your immune system is going to stop making antibodies to mycotoxins. Gotcha now. So a binder is real important now. There's a bunch of different binders. There's some that just use bamboo that I like, and it tends to be clean, but it's not very powerful. Some people like cholestyramine. That's a resin. The problem with cholysyramine is cause a lot of constipation. And so I've got this clean binder, clean cell detox. So we're starting to shuttle things out and then grab those mycotoxins and pull them out, while in parallel, we're breaking down biofilm, killing everything in there, and then resetting and repopulating your. Your. Your microbiome. Amazing.

I've got a thing for pandas, by the way. So I would have preferred the bamboo approach, but I get your logic.

Okay. I like pandas. Yeah. Kung Fu Panda is Kung Fu Panda the greatest animation movie of all time.

It's, it's. It's pretty good, but not as good as the old school panda joke where the panda walks into the bar and he saunters up to the bartender and he says, I'll have a. Have a shot of Tequila bartender. And so the bartender hands over, slides across the counter, the tequila, and the panda throws back the tequila. And then he whips out a revolver and he starts blasting around the room. People are ducking right and left, and he's shooting up the bar and shooting the bottles, and shit's breaking the. All over the place. And then he stands up, saunters back out of the bar, and the bartender kind of comes up from behind the counter like. And he looks down at the guy who's. Who's down the. Down the other end of the bar, who's sitting there watching the whole thing. He says, what in the hell just happened? And the guy. The guy down at the other end of the bar, he says, you ever look up a panda and the encyclopedia? The bartender says, no. And the guy says, panda eat, shoots and leaves. Anyhow, so. So you got the cell detox.

That's amazing.

That's a good joke. She's got the cell detox.

I love that. So then the next thing is energy reset.

Okay, now energy reset. So so far we've got parasite reset, we have cellular detox, we have. Have GI reset, and now we get to energy reset.

And this may be, like, the biggest thing that people come to me for, because so many people come with low energy fatigue, and they're coming because they're interested in nad, and they're interested in trying to figure out ways to improve their energy. And a lot of people have heard about nad. And so what we have is a product called NAD Fuel. And what NAD Fuel is has something that drives the salvage cycle that allows you to reuse NAD in your body. And that's combined with trimethylglycine. And trimethylglycine has to do with methylation. So if you want to dig into this, we can a little bit, but.

I've actually discussed this on other podcast episodes before. And essentially, in short, when you're using NAD or supplementing with NAD or getting NAD IV or injection or anything like that, you're up regulating these methylation pathways pretty dramatically. And so consuming a methyl donor like trimethylglycine or betaine or acidinosylmethionine or something like that, when you're using NAD will amplify the benefits of the nad.

Exactly, exactly.

Now, see, I paid attention in class.

That's good. That's really, really good. Now, do you want to digress on that for a second? Because.

Go for it.

It's amazing. There's a guy named Mansoor Muhammad who I'm working with.

Yeah, he's he's been on the podcast before his DNA evaluation. I just finally convinced my dad to test it because my dad was adopted. I've always wondered on my dad's side, like, you know, what's. What's going on genetically. I want to see. I want to know. I finally connected my dad with Mansoor, and. And they're doing it. I think they did a genetic test last week.

Okay, perfect.

Yeah, the. The. What's it called? The DNA company. It's his company. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'll link to my podcast with him, too, for those who want to listen.

So this one's nuanced and interesting because when you drive nad, then what happens is it turns cell signaling on, and then it does, like 50 different things. And in the process of doing all those things, you need to use a lot of methyl groups, and so it uses up a lot of our methyl groups. And so tmg, trimethylglycine has the least side effects and is the easiest one to kind of onboard people with. Now, what Mansoor discovered is that. And this kind of goes into. One of the things that I'm really thinking about within trauma and PTSD in the brain, which we'll get into later, is that he can look at how dopamine works in your brain, and then he can look and see how you metabolize dopamine. Does it hang out for a long time or a short time? Do you have a lot of dopamine receptors or a small amount of dopamine receptors? And then he can look at how methyl donors can affect dopamine, and it'll totally affect you differently depending on how long dopamine hangs out. For example, when you give same. So some people can tolerate same super well. Like, I feel amazing. And so that's an amazing methyl donor for me, where some people get real anxious and fidgety because of their genetics. And so then the whole genetic kind of interplay is kind of an interesting thing. But what we discovered is we said we're going to put nmn, which is, I think, the best NAD driver, which is why we call it NAD fuel. And then we combine that with tmg, and then we combine that with cell reset. And what that is is that has resveratrol, and it has a whole bunch of sirtuin activators and a whole bunch of mitochondrial activators. And that is basically the fuel to drive mitochondrial biogenesis, that is making more mitochondria and then also helping your mitochondria stay healthy. And then while we do that the higher levels of NAD are going to have an effect on the nucleus, they're going to have an effect on sirtuins, they're going to have an effect on DNA repair, and they're going to have an effect on all of your detox pathways. The other thing that NAD does, and I wanted to kind of talk to you about this nad, everybody hears about nad. But let me tell you this. This is amazing. NAD is in a cycle, and it's constantly being converted into nadh. So the oxidized form is NAD and the reduced form is nadh. Right. So then in our free pool, we want about a 700 to 1 ratio.

Because if we have NAD to NADH.

And so if we have a high amount of NAD, we can drive oxidation. And then what that does is that keeps us to have a high charge on our membrane, which allows us to get a lot of stuff done. And that's either on the membrane in the cell or in the membrane in the mitochondria where our electron transport chain exists. So that's part one. Part two is we have nadph. We like to have that in the reduced form because it drives antioxidants. And so then you begin to see that in our body, we're constantly driving oxidation to keep our batteries super strong and to drive signaling. But then we're also driving antioxidant pathways. It's kind of like a yin and yang thing, and we're driving them in parallel together. And then as that happens, then the NED drives our ability to oxidize sugar and turn that into energy in the electron transport chain. And so in our cell reset, we also put in CoQ10, because that's the final electron acceptor and allows you to do that. Now then what I do is I have all kinds of people who come to see me, and I put them on IV NAD and IV nad, if you haven't had it, is probably one of the most transformative things in terms of resetting cognition and. And life in general. But what I found is when I start to put people on these protocols before I start to reset their pathways, and then when people come in to see me, I give them this stack, and it helps their body utilize NAD better. And so then they have a more functional experience when they go through the process.

Okay, got it. So that's the cell reset component is you combine the NAD fuel with the. With the cell, with. What's it called?

Cell reset.

Cell reset. Okay. And then you also have two other things that you throw into this mix. So now I'VE got energy reset, GI Reset, cell detox and parasite reset. And then you also have mineral reset. Mineral and sleep as the last two.

Yeah, the mineral reset is easy. And that one. And I use the Quinton sea minerals.

Right. And I've talked a lot about those before.

They're amazing.

Gosh.

And so we just do the hypertonic.

Although I pronounce it Quinton, but it's Q, U, I, N, T, O, N for those of you looking for it.

How do you say it?

Quinton.

How did I say it?

Quinton.

Quinton.

Quinton.

You know what? We're from Montana and Idaho, so. So probably every. Probably everybody else is more right than us, but you're probably more red than me.

Yeah, well, I've. I've. I've progressed from my Rocky Mountain accent to more of a French flower, so I'm gonna go with Quinton.

Nice. Okay. I'm gonna take that. I'm gonna take that. The. The French. I love. I went to France, and I love being in France, but I kept accidentally speaking in Spanish, and I got in more trouble than.

It's a Latin route. It's close.

But so. So. So then the. The hypertonic. And the reason we. I'm doing the minerals is people seem to be real depleted in minerals. And then if you end up getting in a situation like what we're talking about with you, I'm gonna have you taking some binders, because I want you to bind on to those toxins, but the binders can bind onto minerals as well. And so if I replace those with minerals, that's real helpful.

Okay, Gotcha. So people aren't getting mineral depleted when.

They'Re on while they're going through this protocol. Yeah.

Makes sense. Okay.

And so then that's a. That's a super easy one. And then if you said, what's the most common complaint that people have when they come in, other than brain fog and low energy? I would say that it's sleep. And so we have two products. One that kind of helps you go to sleep, that has a little melatonin and CBD and gaba, and then one that helps you stay asleep. And the idea is that you keep that by your bed. And so if you wake up in the middle of the night, you don't want to take an extra melatonin and cbd because you may be a little bit hungover in the morning. And so then what you do is you just have.

Which you experience.

Which I've experienced. So then you just take a little bit of the gaba. And that will help you stay asleep. If you took CBD and you were a little bit too sleepy in the morning, then one thing that can relieve that right away is lemon. Seems to squeeze half a lemon.

Yeah, it's the limone. You can also use lemon essential oil if you want more concentrated sources of limone.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, so you have it. So that's the sleep, the sleep reset. You're essentially using CBD with, with like a gaba, like a inhibitory neurotransmitter. And the inhibitory neurotransmitter, something you'd also take if you wake up during the night.

Right.

Okay. That is a pretty comprehensive protocol. There are probably some docs listening in who are also taking notes, but I know there are also all these, you know, self quantifying biohackers out there listening in who are gonna be trying to, you know, whatever, order this stuff off Amazon, find it, you know, kind of piece together their own protocol. All I would imagine is some of this stuff. Things that you would only get through your physician or through, obviously the pharmaceuticals, unless folks are using some kind of an online, you know, overseas pharmacy, which is quite dangerous. But I know people do stuff like that. Like how important is it to have this stuff overseen? And, and how, how much emphasis do you place on retesting as you go? And finally, sorry, sorry for all the questions, but how many docs know this? Like, how many docs are going to do stuff like this?

I think the most important thing is to start low and go slow. So we kind of started casually, just you called me at like 11 o' clock at night, and so then we're just kind of chatting. And so then I started with some simple GI stuff. And then we're building in the protocol and the key thing is not to try to do all of it right away at the same time, because if you do that, sometimes you get a big detox reaction. It's too much and it's kind of overwhelming. My goal of putting this together and kind of putting out a framework of understanding the prebiotic components, the bioflambustin components, the killing components, and being able to wrap all of that into kind of a structure that you can think about is going to allow people to start to biohack themselves a little bit. And so, so most of the, all of these supplements are going to be things that you're going to be able to get yourself in terms of. And one thing you could do is you could do all of this and you'd be fine. As 1.0. If that doesn't work, then you can start to go on to taking antimicrobials and stuff like that. But I think it's important to have, if you don't have any experience with this, to have somebody kind of coach you, because often there's one, somebody could be thinking they're doing amazing and they're doing all of this stuff, but they're eating onions all day just because somebody told them to eat onions. They didn't know that one thing. And so putting kind of having a comprehensive protocol around it. And interestingly, the synergy of this stuff is, for example, if you get your energy working and your NAD level sometimes up, that really drives the ability of your immune system to start to work better. And so as you put the different pieces of this together, everything helps. Everything else, if you're sleeping better, your immune system starts to work better. And you've been doing almost all of this. But once we get it kind of dialed in, we're going to heal your gut. And then now we've kind of taken away your number one Achilles heel. And so then you're like, my confidence that you're going to do amazing is super high.

Amazing. Amazing. All right, you guys. So I'm going to take a brief pause here and summarize for you that in addition to everything that we've just gone through, what I'd like to do if your game, Matt, is would you be willing to take a PDF of this or something like that? Could we put it in the show notes? Like the same PDF PDF you sent to me? We could do something like post that.

Yeah.

Okay, so we'll put a PDF of this for those of you want to review or maybe even show it to your doctor if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Gireset.

The other thing, if you're a doc and we kind of teach people how to do this, is it works a million times better for me if I have a PDF like this. So it's super organized and I give it to people and then they know exactly what they're supposed to supposed to do. And knowledge is power. And the better you communicate this, the better the outcomes can be.

Okay, got it. So I want to ask you about some other things while I have you as a captive audience at my kitchen table, because there are some other cool things that you're doing, particularly probably the three that I think would be the highest priority for us to outline for people on the podcast is a. You had an amazing story. You Shared with me about how you. You've helped men who have erectile dysfunction and sexual performance issues, and kind of like how you're approaching that now. So I'd love to hear about that. I'd love to hear about any updates on what you're doing with PTSD and trauma. You know, we've talked about ketamine and things like that in previous episodes, but kind of want to hear a little update on that. And then finally, I want to feel focusing on ozone dialysis.

Oh, cool.

You game to go into those three? So walk me through the second sexual performance piece and what you're doing now for that.

So the 1.0 is you heard about Gainswave, and you heard about the P shot. I like to break down. If you think about sexual performance, I break it down into five categories. So category one is people have no problem. They're working great. Category two is just a small problem, but if you do something, all of a sudden it's working, working. So it's a small problem, but if you take Viagra, the erection is perfect. Category three is that if your hard on is not good, and if you take Viagra, it's a little bit better, but it's still not fully hard. Category four is that no matter what you take in terms of phosphodiesterase type of drugs, nothing happens. Okay. Now then, within category four, some of what. What urologists will do is they'll start to give people things that they can inject into their penis. And so the first one that they.

Inject, you do realize I'm known as the penis guy now on the Internet because I've done these injections, and I have yet to live down the. The idea of me gallivanting around the globe injecting stem cells. Cells into my dick. Yeah, you feel a lot better by being a certified physician on the podcast episode now actually saying that this stuff is okay.

Yeah, it is okay. All right, so then category four is what happens is a lot of times the urologist will give something called Bimix, and that's an injectable that will help guys get a heart on. People will do that, and then that will stop to work, and then they'll be in category five, and then they'll be doing something called Trimix, which is even more powerful, but it creates a lot of scarring and hardness in the. In the penis.

Okay.

And then I guess you could say category six is they're taking. They took Bimix, Trimix, Viagra, and nothing worked. And they don't have Any hard on and they're at the end of the road.

And so I didn't realize guys were going through all of that.

All of that.

So they're doing everything from injections to Viagra to different pharmaceuticals, on and on. And you are still seeing people who have erectile dysfunction and sexual performance issues even after all that.

Yeah. So one of my. A dear friend of mine who's a doctor who's engaged to a lovely woman who's 30 years younger than him, comes in and he's in category six. And so did all of this stuff and was doing the Bimix and Bimax and Viagra had worked for a while and then eventually that stops working. And then so then he finally Trimix and then that stops working. So he came in and he said, I just came in to say hi because I just wanted to have a conversation with you, but I just wanted to see who I should go get my, my penile implant from because I'm an implant. That's the end of the road. Yeah. And basically what they do is they tunnel a pump in and it's plastic and then they put something that's inflatable in the penis and then you pump it up and it gets hard. Or they can put a silicone one in. But interestingly, I've never seen a. It's very common whenever you put implants into the body for them to be contaminated. And Andrew Campbell will talk a lot about this with breast implant illness, where if people have mycotoxins and a lot of chronic infections, a lot of times those mycotoxins will start to affect implants. So this guy didn't really want to get an implant, but he was at the end of the road. And so then it kind of is, it's kind of amazing. So what I started to do shockwave therapy and then I started to do the P shot. And interestingly, one thing that I figured out is if people want to come and learn how to do this, I'll show them. I started using ultrasound when I do my P shot and then I can.

Look into platelet rich plasma shot into the penis using ultrasound guided images.

Yeah, because there's a little tiny artery in the penis. And what I do is I look and I can, when I put my needle in, I avoid sticking my needle into that artery. Good. That's good thinking.

Good, good thinking.

So. So then, and what happened right off the bat is when I first started treating him and I've got a whole bunch of people, like a ton of people in this category of guys in their 70s and 80s. When I first saw it, his penis looked like it was a hundred years old. It was gray and super hard because there wasn't much blood flow. And it was all scarred up from all the trimax he had.

Yoda dick.

Yoda dick. Yeah, that's an. That's trademark.com and. But you know what we need to do? We need. We are in the process of turning that from Yoda deck into Skywalker dick. Baby Yoda dick.

Oh, baby Yoda. Okay.

Is baby. I think baby Yoda may be like the greatest character of the last 12 months. But anyways, so then it started to look better, but it still wasn't working, which is kind of interesting. And so then what I started doing is I started doing something super amazing called Hydra dissection, where I would use my ultrasound and I would look at the penile nerves that are on the top of the penis. And then I would go in with my needle and I surrounded those nerves with peptides. And so I surrounded the nerves on the top of the penis with BPC157 and thymosin beta 4. Now, those peptides are the same peptides that you've used, obviously, for systemic treatment, right? But I found out they work for.

Joints, for inflammation, et cetera.

They work great. And I use them and I use them in hydrodissection and other areas in protocols with placental matrix and exosomes and stem cells. But I started hydrodissecting the penile nerves, and then when I did that, all of a sudden he started getting hard ons again. So he started getting spontaneous hard ons. And I've done this with other people, and that's been working. Then what I said is, in addition to doing some exosome P shots, I said, let's start doing some peptides that have a sexual effect. And one of them is PT141. And so this is an injectable peptide that you can give yourself that will help with erectile function. And it's. Interestingly, it really helps women for sexual performance as well. And so I have a lot of couples who come who both. Both want to do something. And so then what I'll do is I'll. I'll do similar therapies for both of them, and then I'll give them both the peptides. And. And I'm. It's not perfect, but each time I treat him, it's lasting longer and longer and longer. And he's. And he's having. Like the other day I. I said like, how. How's it going? You? He was, ah, it's not perfect. And I was like, well, how long is your heart on lasting? It's like, not. Oh, he gives us this breath sprint. I go, oh, how long is the sprint? He goes, half hour. So I go, I'm taking that as a win.

That's not bad.

And I think that I'm getting kind of another 10% better at this every couple of weeks because we're starting to stack these protocols. But what it.