Magic Chocolate, Holotropic Breathwork, Grounding, Earthing, Vortexes, Crystals & More With Shamangelic Healer Anahata Ananda.

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Hey, folks, it's Ben Greenfield. And it's been about four months since I went to, for the first time in my life, Sedona, Arizona. Everybody was telling me, you got to go to Sedona. You got to go to Sedona. Go, go do some sound healing. Go meet with some of the crazy folks over there who are forward thinkers, especially in the realm of spirituality and spiritual healing, and also go experience the magical energy that is in that place. So finally I went to Sedona. And I knew that when I went to Sedona, there were a few things that I had to do. A, I had to go to a place that my friend highly recommended to me called Chocolatry. Crazy good restaurant there, chock full of just what it sounds like, like mostly chocolate infused superfoods. I was also told I had to go see this dude named Porangay and go do, like, some, like, he has this crazy vibrating sound table and like plays didgeridoo and gongs and heals you with sound frequencies as you lay on his table. I stayed out at my friend Aubrey Marcus's Spirit ranch out there, peaceful place on the middle of nowhere. And I met with someone who actually Aubrey had really recommended to me to meet with for an energy healing, an emotional release session. Her name is Anahata. Anahata Ananda. That's a N a H a T a Anahata. And so I drove into Sedona, pulled up in front of Anahata's house in my little rental car. It was the first stop I made when I got into Sedona. And I went into her house. And what ensued was a couple of hours of Anahata just basically taking a deep, deep dive into what I really desired in life, who I truly was, who I truly wanted to be in terms of my authentic self and being able to express that to the world in a really meaningful way that help people out. And I was so excited after those couple hours. I remember this Anahat, I rushed out to the hills back behind your house, and I found this little hiking trail. And I actually shot a video. I shot a video and it was like a Facebook Live video. I put this out on Facebook. You guys can watch it right now. I'm gonna put it in the show notes. I'll tell you how to go to the show notes in a second. But I shot this video in which I took a deep dive into and talked about all the things that I experienced while working with Anahata. And you can go watch that video over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Anahata A N A H a T A Anahata. Who is Anahata? She's the founder of something called shamangelic healing. It's based in Sedona, Arizona. Like I mentioned, her website is shamangelichealing.com as in like shaman angel. Shamangelichealing.com she does spirituality and energy healing, self empowerment, emotional release, couple and family work, visualization techniques, breath work. A lot of things we're going to talk about today. And she's an incredibly nice person, described as someone who blends the compassion and tenderness of an angel and the wisdom and strength of a shaman. So there you have it. Shamangelic. See what she did there? So, Anahata, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Ben. What a beautiful introduction. And it's good to connect with you again. We certainly did have, like a deep dive into soul awakening. And it was such a pleasure to introduce you to just kind of go outside of the box to kind of explore emotion and energy and soul awakening and emotional clearing. And it was so powerful having you because you were so willing to feel it, to address, you know, where things are going great in your life and where they're not and what could be improved and where there's opportunities to shine, to be more balanced. And it was just an epic journey. And I love working with somebody like you who's, who's open and willing, you know, to do the work and to explore and to experience. So I'm so grateful for our time together and that you were open minded enough to try some wacky, far out Sedona experience which is not a mainstream offering.

Yeah, you're talking to a guy who does coffee enemas and Ironman triathlon. So I'm all about approaching the edgy and challenging myself. I think I cried at your house too. I did some crying.

Yeah. It was really tender and really profound and deep and so.

Yes. And before we talk more about what you do, what's up with Sedona? Like, it's this place that people go to and I never really realized until I went there. You know, I've been to some places that seem to have a strong spiritual energy. Like there's this springs near my house that's like a hot springs. And you go there and it's like this, just this healing energy and you feel amazing when you get out of the hot springs. And it's an ancient Native American kind of like a holy location. And when I go to Sedona, I get the same feeling. And there's a lot of, you know, folks there who are sound healers. A lot of, you know, it's kind of hippie, you know what I mean? And why is Sedona such a center for that type of thing? Did something happen thousands of years ago in that particular plot of land in Sedona? Or is it just that, you know, they put up that chocolate tree restaurant and all the cool hippies move there. What happens?

Right, great question. Sedona is absolutely just a Mecca for healing energy, spiritual awakening. There's a vast number of different modalities accessible here, but that's because they're really rallying around the potency of the land. You know, when you're in hot springs, that is energy spiraling up in the form of water levitating. You know, a spring is really water levitating out of the ground, whether it's a hot spring or a cold spring. And all of the major temples in various religions, most of them are built around springs because they know that those are holy waters that are levitating out of the earth. So first of all, we have lots of springs here in Sedona, cold springs. But the other thing that we have that is so unique here are the Sedona vortexes. Now there are vortexes around the planet which is just spiraling electrical current energy spiraling out of the earth crust. You know, that's happening a lot of places in the world. What's unique about Sedona is that we haven't built over top of it. Let's say there's vortexes in Europe, but it's built over with cities and churches and buildings. And so this is raw land here. It's also very old land. So, you know, the mountain that you did your recording right behind, you know, right behind my house, you know, the top of that mountain is a couple hundred million years old. So the, the soil in this land has crystals in it, and it also has high concentrations of minerals, and those amplify electricity. So we have hundreds and hundreds of vortexes in Sedona that are also being amplified by crystal veins, minerals in the soil, and also springs which all amplify electrical current. So what happens is we're the same thing, made of minerals, water moving through, or electrical current moving through water and minerals, you know, our bones and all of the fluid. And so when you put our body on top of earth's body with all of that electrical current moving through it, it starts moving energy in the body. Whether you realize it or not. Yeah, people come here to heal. They come here to write, they come here to awaken, they come here to connect spiritually. And Sedona is like, is like a whole nother healing energy that I get to co create with. So it's like working with another co facilitator because she, Sedona kind of primes people to go deeper because the energy is already pushing on those things that, that need to release or expanding. Where there's maybe creativity or spirituality, it'll expand that. The veil between this world and the spiritual or the cosmic world, or, you know, whatever you want to call that, the divine, the universe, it's very thin here, so it's easy to access other dimensions here. And it's going to bring up things that are out of balance too.

Yeah, I want to talk about that. But this idea of a vortex, you know, I ran into this way back when I interviewed this guy about structured water, Dr. Gerald Pollock from University of Washington. And he goes into this idea that you can like stir water or even use like a water filter that has a vortices, a vortex inside it. And what that does is it actually creates what are called hydrophilic surfaces on the water. And so vortex is like this mechanical perturbation. It's like an agitation, and it builds up these little air bubbles in the water. And this increases the electrical potential of the water, increases the voltage of the water. We see the same thing with grounding. He actually talked about this a little bit when he was on my show, that the simple act of placing the soles of your feet on the ground allows you to absorb negative electrons from the earth because the earth has a greater negative charge than your body. And when you talk about, like, the minerals and the crystals that are in Sedona, and the fact that Sedona is considered to be a vortex, where, you know, they're actually spirals of air and spirals of energy in different regions. It's. It's very. It's very similar to the discussion that I had with him and similar to the way I live my life here at home. Right. Like, I sleep on crystals or like I've got, like, a biomat with amethyst and tourmaline crystals, and I structure my water and I go outside barefoot. But when I go to Sedona, it's almost like all that's done for me. Like, it's just.

Yeah, it's. I mean, I live in that. And that's why I based my healing center here very strategically, because this is. It really helps prime people to go deep to feel, because it, you know, it amplifies emotions that we kind of kind of hold at bay. And anything that's out of balance, anything that's kind of stuck, Sedona is going to try to bring that to the surface a little bit, you know, to help work through it. And so it's perfect co facilitator and location, because sacred destinations, there is a power and an energy to certain places, you know, on the planet, negatively or positively, you know, what's happening, happened on the land, what the frequency of the people are and the power of the land, it's very vital. And so that just kind of is this powerful support for people that are. Maybe they're just stuck. Maybe they're just wanting to expand. Maybe they're just curious or maybe they're going through a big life change. All of those reasons. People that are on any part of their path, whether they've just had a loss or they're about to have a new baby or get married or start a new business or write a book, either way, whether it's the clearing or the expansion work, both are really powerful here because it's just amplified by the energy of Sedona.

Yeah, it is very interesting. You're talking about rocks and crystals, and I know that those seem to be a pretty big theme there in Sedona as well. Is it just this basic concept of a vortex that makes the rocks and the crystals different in Sedona? Or why does Sedona seem like a place where rocks and crystals and all these crystal shops are so prevalent?

Because, like you were saying, hey, there's this technology that we can leverage with spiraling energy. People that are living here in Sedona and working here realize, wow, crystals do amplify energy. And different types of crystals have different functions. Some are more for clearing. Like, I, too, in my healing room, I have an amethyst crystal biomat as well. And specifically, amethyst has certain qualities, which is different than rose quartz, which is different than crystal quartz. And so since Sedona is kind of a Mecca for spiritual awakening and core healing, people in that field know that crystals are fabulous amplifiers and conduits for different intentions for healing, for awakening, for relaxation, for grounding, for spiritual expansion. And so it's a very common tool in this industry to be used. We don't mine here in Sedona for crystals. They're actually. Crystal quartz primarily is in the soil, and there's lots of crystal geodes here. But we don't mine anything from the soil here because that amplifies all the energy. And we want to leave it put. We want to leave it where it is.

What do you mean? You don't mind? Like, where are all the rocks and crystals coming that are in all the shops there?

Well, those come from all around the world, because different crystals are found in different locations, because amethyst crystal needs a certain format in order to form, you know, a certain geological arrangement in order to create crystals. And so, like in Brazil, certain geothermal activity will create really, you know, large crystals in that area of a certain type. And so we actually have crystals all around the world in different types, growing in certain areas. And so those countries or those states that do mine then will produce all of those different crystals. And so these are going to be imported from all kinds of places around the world to find some of the best clear crystals from where they're ground.

And you can actually go to one of these places where there's really intense spiritual energy, these intense energy spirals. They call them a vortex. And. And so is there like a. Like a map of different vortices that are around Sedona or.

Yeah, they're they're all over the place. There's map for some of the main major ones, but being in Sedona, you're in it. And then, of course, there's sacred, there's. There's secret kind of places on the land. There's caves, there's an ancient medicine wheel, there's cliff dwellings, Native American cliff dwellings back here, because this was Native. Native American land, you know, pottery shards. And the canyons themselves are just powerful temples of, you know, clear conduits for relaxation, for, you know, support grounding your body, you know, just allowing the earth to hold you. This is a wonderful place to connect with nature because the vortexes are happening just all over the place. Plus the beauty of the red rocks and the crystals in the soil. It's a wonderful place to ground, to rest, to heal, to awaken. So, yeah, and there's lots of people like myself and others that take people out on sacred journeys on the land to sacred destinations, you know, so that you can sit in a cave, so that you can sit in an ancient cliff dwelling, or you can, you know, hike to an epic, you know, amazing epic view and kind of drop into the beauty here as well.

I love it. How'd you find Sedona? Like, what's your story?

You know, it just called me, like a lot of people. It's not on the map. It's not on the map. It's not on the map, and all of a sudden it's on the map. And so I came here years ago to visit a friend, and I just. I fell in love with it. And I could feel the energy because I had been doing retreats around the world to sacred destinations for almost two decades. And so I'm interested in locations that have a powerful energy, whether it's taking people to Peru or to Bali or to Hawaii or here in Sedona. It became one of my favorite spots to travel to and bring people to, to deepen their experience. And then, you know, years after living in California and running my business from there, I was like, I think I'm just going to move to Sedona and, and build a whole healing practice here full time.

So in terms of what you were doing before you came to Sedona, I mean, how does one actually become, as you say, shamangelic? I mean, like, were you just like a barista at a coffee shop one day and decided to go off and become a shaman? Or leading up to when you went to Sedona, there must have been something that, where you learned what you're able to do now because you do a lot of stuff that we'll get a chance to talk about here in a second.

Yeah, you know, I was in mainstream everything. You know, I was in corporate. I was, you know, really not on my spiritual path. I was fit and healthy and into nutrition and all of that. But my soul wasn't happy and I really wasn't doing what I meant to do. I was great at what I did, but it wasn't soulful. And, you know, there was a lot of unhealed stuff from childhood and life experiences that were just kind of lingering under the surface, Ben, where it was just like, I'm not thriving, you know, I'm not happy and I'm not feeling nourished at a deep soul level. And you know, so I was going through a divorce at the time and you know, that was a big part of my awakening is, was, was just, you know, not being in an unhappy marriage and things weren't fantastic and kind of looking at, well, what can I change? You know, what can I do differently where what is going on inside of me? Because it's not, you know, it's, it's not ever about what he or she or the other is doing or not doing. You know, there comes a time where the soul wants to wake up and mediocrity or things that aren't in alignment or our core wounds are just saying, hey, if you really want happiness sustained and thriving, you've got to do your work, you've got to heal, you've got to release, you've got to come back into who you really are meant to be. And so it was that dark night of the soul and I wasn't going to. You know, years and years ago I had tried different kinds of counseling work and I'm like, this is just not getting me anywhere. This is not addressing the question core issues at all. So I wasn't inclined to go into traditional modalities. And so a friend of mine recommended a shaman in, in la. I was living in Orange county at the time in Laguna beach. And I'm like, shit, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm motivated to try something else. Kind of, you know, like you, you were open minded and to try something else. And he went so deep. And Ben, I had no idea that there was so much rage and grief and disappointment in my body, you know, that was sabotaging other things in my life. And it's not like there were huge traumas that happened as a kid. You know, it was just you know, all the disappointments and breakups and. And, you know, some bummer that happened. It's all, you know, part of life, but it hadn't ever resolved. A lot of the. A lot of those pains, a lot of those imprints hadn't really ever healed or had the right support to actually be transmuted and evolved so that I could come back to center again, you know, or a lot of the sadness and grief, you know, in our society, it's oppressed. Oh, don't feel, don't cry, don't talk about it, you know, just move on, you know, stiff upper lip, get back in the game. And that's all great, except that doesn't allow things to actually heal. Sometimes when you fall off, you have to get back up, which is fine. You definitely need to get back up. But you. But there's also. I need to make sure that this wound is healed. Otherwise this wound is going to continue to sabotage me and every. Every time I get back in the game. So I went to a shamanic healer and like, powerful shifts. I mean, a lot of deep old stuff was coming up and out. And I was so affected by how efficient the work was that I trained with him years ago. And it just opened up. This whole. Whole Pandora's box of curiosity is like my soul just became so hungry for shamanism. Emotional clearing, spiritual awakening, working with chakras, yoga, meditation, nutrition, cleansing, fasting. And I just woke up and I was so hungry. I started working with all kinds of different things. And by cleaning out my emotional body, by clearing up my physical body, then these healing gifts that were dormant, like clairvoyance, which is being able to see, you know, see things, visuals, see into the future, see visions, clairaudience, to be able to hear messages, clear guidance and clairsentience. This is being able to feel things and claircognizance, which is being able to, you know, just kind of this inner knowing, knowing things, all of those abilities. When I cleared out my emotional body and I started meditating and I was cleansing and detoxing and fasting and doing breath work, my whole physical, energetic, emotional and spiritual body shifted completely. And then all of those abilities that were latent before came back on my hands. I could feel energy and electricity moving through my hands. I was seeing visions, I knew things, I could hear voices. And that was all naturally created. And it woke up all of these latent abilities within me. And then coupled with my passion for everything that I was learning about shamanism and kind of also woke up some natural talents that I had of skills that I already had, whether that's from past lives or whether that's just from divine knowing. And it just, it moved so quickly for me that I was just like, this is what I need to do in life. This is no longer a passion just for me to heal. I have abilities, I have gifts, and I have passions. And all of the pieces started fitting together and my ability to hone in on exactly what people were dealing with and have insights in a session for what tools to use. And I had a lot already in my inner awareness. And then I was learning. I just spent years and years of all kinds of learning different modalities that just made a nice huge medicine bag of possibilities that I can tailor. Every time I meet with a client.

You remind me of people like, you know, like, like Paul Check, for example, who, who can, you know, not diagnose, but have great insight into people's spiritual issues or physical issues, like, from afar. Or there's another guy named. Have you ever read the book Medical Medium? Yeah, Anthony William? Yeah, he. Same thing. Like, he can actually determine what might be going on with you from a health standpoint or a physical standpoint, literally by just being in the same room with you. And that might sound like a Snopes.com article for a lot of people listening in, but certain people seem to possess, so to speak, these, these powers, whether it's the ability to be able to, like you mentioned, heal voices or hear voices, or to sense certain things about people and what's going on with them without actually talking to them, or to be able to even heal people, you know, both, both near and afar. So, so it's, it's very interesting. It sounds to me like you, you were probably born with some of that potential, but it took actually completely clearing yourself out from these other, like, like healing sessions that you did to really, truly enable yourself to, to be able to do that. And I actually, you know, a lot, a lot of people listening in, like, like, they, they, you know, this blue sky stuff is entering, but they kind of like to get down to brass tacks, like how this stuff actually works. And so that was what I was curious about. You know, when. When somebody tells me, oh, you got to go see like, this energy healer, you know, Right. It's kind of vague. It's like, what exactly is that?

Somebody would have thought, you know, told me, oh, you're going to be doing this. I would, you know, I would have laughed in their face, like, now, that's ridiculous. That's kooky. Stuff, you know, I. You know, that I was so not interested or not. It wasn't on my radar at all. This is. Yeah, I'm sure that many of us are born with those ability with different abilities to see, feel, or hear things. But a lot of that for a lot of us goes dormant because we start sedating with foods that actually clog our cognitive channels. You know, because you are so such an advocate for mind and body fitness and keeping a pure channel. If you think about the minerals that the glands run on, those are required, you know, a clear pineal and pituitary gland are required for higher consciousness. The diet I was eating, the beliefs I was believing, the thoughts I was feeling, the emotional density I was carrying was all things that were blocking, what, the 6th and 7th chakras that are connected with the pineal and the pituitary glands, and those are what's responsible for higher consciousness. So when I started clearing out the density and clearing out the physical toxicity, it was easy. These things come really naturally and would be considered totally far out at another time in my life, is just really natural for me now. And I ask divine Creator, source, spirit, whatever you call that, to guide me in sessions, to only know what I need to know, to feel what I need to feel, or to hear what I need to hear in a given session.

The point about the pineal gland, though, is really interesting because that's where you produce a lot of your dimethyltryptamine, your DMT, the same stuff you might make that Dr. Rick Strassman talks about in his book DMT, the Spirit Molecule. And it's not just for tripping, so to speak. It's actually for having, I think, what you just described as like, a clear consciousness, like the ability to be able to be conscious and to be able to be fully aware of your own body and also in many cases, the body or the energies of others. And, you know, it's really interesting. You know, there's even a, you know, like a Bible verse about this. I think it says something like, the light of the body is the eye, and if your eye is complete or something like that, your whole body is full of light. And, you know, there's, you know, from the Romans to the Egyptians to the Babylonians to the Greeks, you know, Buddhists. Yeah, yeah, The Catholic Church has a bunch of, like, pineal gland imagery in the Vatican Square. Yeah, it's very interesting. So, you know, before, on other podcasts, I've talked about, you know, care of the pineal gland, ensuring that you're Taking care of melatonin and serotonin levels, Levels and neurotransmitter balance, adjustment of the air, the light, the water, the electricity that surrounds you. All of that's important for the pineal gland. But then spirituality and energy work is a big part of this, too. And that's actually what I want to delve into with you. I walked into your house when we first met there in Sedona, and we sat down, we talked for about an hour. Fill me in on what you do. Like when someone first walks in. What is it that you're doing? What are you looking for? What are you exploring?

This is where I'm just completely present with all of the information that you're giving me. That spirit is giving me. From the moment you walk in, how you walk in, you walked in with your toe taped and limping. So immediately I know something's out of balance. I know something's injured, you know, that isn't just your toe, you know, so I'm trained to look for all of these different clues so that I can really dive into and open up the puzzle that is Ben or the puzzle that is anyone walking through. What is their energy? Are they scattered? Are they late? What are they talking about? What is their body language? And so we spend an hour just kind of sharing this, you know, you, we. What I. What you came for was a shaman jellic healing journey, which is kind of like my signature session. It's a two hour session, and usually the first.

That's like the big Mac and fries. That's what you go to McDonald's for. I got your signature dish.

Yeah, exactly. So. Because I can tailor that session whether. Whether somebody's walking in the door because they're grieving the loss of a loved one and they can't seem to, you know, get over their grief, or they're really just coping with, you know, the loss of a loved one, or they're going through a divorce or relationship challenges, or they're stuck. They've reached this plateau in their career or in their life, and they just. They're stuck. And they just. They're not happy. They're not going. They just don't know what to do. Other people come here when they are, you know, opening. They're wanting to open into spirituality and consciousness. And a lot of people are motivated by pain, you know, some core life shift that's happening in their life. They just got the diagnosis, you know, or there's some loss or trauma. And so a lot of people are motivated by that so the first part of the session is discovery. I'm discovering the puzzle. I'm looking for where the energy is leaking. I'm looking for what is out of balance. I'm looking for where people are giving their power away. I'm looking for the cast of characters in their life where they feel victim to. I'm looking at the story and where are the repeat patterns? So I'm listening, I'm scanning. I'm hear. I'm hearing what you're not saying.

What are you hearing? Like. Like when I'm sitting there. Like. Like when you say you're hearing, are you actually hearing voices?

I'm hearing.

Are you schizophrenic?

I do hear voices.

Tell me about it. Tell me about what you're hearing.

Well, it's. It's. It's more when somebody walks in, we sit down, and I set a clear intention, first of all, because I'm opening the session and I'm also opening the doorways to higher consciousness so that I can be. So that I can hear, that I can understand what I can really help them with today. So when, you know, if you're telling a part of your story, whether it's about a competition or whether it's about a family member or a relationship challenge or whatever it is, I'm listening deeply into the energy of what you're saying, how you're saying it, and why you're saying it. And then you noticed. You may have noticed that I ask other questions. Now. Tell me more about this. And what is this really going on and is this happened before? So I'm looking to find where the source of it is and this imbalance, is it a pattern? Does it happen over and over and over again? And so in that discovery, then I'm going to start going into reflection and into counseling and guidance and saying, hey, here's another way to look at this. Or do you realize this is happening or this is what happens when this imbalance stays out of balance, or this is really where the energy is leaking? What is this belief really about? Is it true and are you ready to release it? So then I'm going to start perspective shift. Whether it's about somebody that is dealing with a grief or a divorce or whatever their story is, then I'm going to start perspective change. I'm going to start looking at, you know, tools to kind of help them shift their perspective and, you know, give insight and guidance and some counseling right there on the spot. And then, you know, and that's building trust and that It's a safe space.

I felt like when we sat and talked in your living room for an hour and you were taking notes as you interviewed me, we were kind of preparing for the next thing that was to come, which was when you brought me into, into the room next door and you whipped me repeatedly with a cat. O9. No, I'm just kidding. You laid me down on a table. You laid me down on a table and then you did this. It was just like this crazy, almost like ceremony. What was the second part?

Well, that's the journey. See it's never the same. And this is where that ability to connect to divine guidance is super important in that place. Because when I'm walking in that into the healing room with you or any other client, it's a blank slate. I will have received insights and perspectives and maybe a spirit guide or somebody comes in during that time that wants to come into the healing room. So in the healing room, I'm listening, I'm a conduit and then we go into the journey. So maybe there's a guided visualization. There may be hands on clearing, there may be a, a journey back into the past to kind of heal an old trauma. We might bring in a spiritual guide. There may be hands on work in different chakra energy centers of the body or organs that are having a challenge. So that's where it's always a new creation. Ben and I get to just be a conduit to allow a tailored journey based on what I've discovered in the first part of the session and what spirit is telling me in the moment to say, use this guided visualization, bring in this guide, go back in time, put your hands on here, pick up the drum, use a sound tool and it's never ever the same. And I completely trust in the moment of allowing the divine to guide me as a conduit, to create a tailored experience that will go deep and profound and shift the energy as whatever the client is ready for at that time.

Give me an example like, like, of, like. Well, really a specific example. You could use me or you know, any, anyone else, you'd obviously came anonymous or you could name them and get someone really off. But give me an example of, of what you mean like in terms of taking someone like deep into a memory or something like that. You just like ask them questions or are you playing certain music or sounds or smells that induce that or give me like a specific example.

Yeah, all of that. My healing room has gong crystal balls. There's all kinds of sound tools. There's crystals. There's. You're laying on an amethyst crystal biomat. Also there's essential oils and tuning forks and all kinds of different things in there. And so let's just say somebody comes in and they have a trauma. Just a client last week, you know, she had a trauma at around 13. And so, okay, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna take her back in time then, if that's what I think. And that's what the divine says is, is like the best pathway to go. Okay, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, kind of regress back to that time before 12, before that kind of 12, 13, and kind of get with the wisdom of, of her soul before the trauma happened. You know, like, oh, wow, this is what I used to be. Like, this is, you know, and there's wisdom. Our 12 year old, our 6 year old, our 2 year old, our inner child. Like, you know, we have it together before it starts getting dismantled. You know, we know things as kids, then we start getting socially programmed, then we start getting oppressed, then we start getting, you know, distorted and we start bartering what we know for the programs that we're given just to kind of fit in. And so an example might be going back in time to the six year old or the eight year old that was happy before this trauma happened. And what wisdom do they have? And then we might go forward then to the 12 or 13 year old at the time of the trauma and bring in the healing energy, the wisdom, the support, the safety that they actually needed that they didn't get at that time so that they can actually hold a space together with me and whatever other spiritual guidance I bring in at the time. Maybe a grandmother wants to come in, maybe the villain comes in and we actually do some healing work with the actual person that they experienced the trauma with so that we can get to know their inner child or their, you know, who they are at a deeper soul level when they're not playing the victim. So. Or you know, who the person that is playing the villain in their story to get to know them at a deeper level when they're not playing the villain. So, you know, oh gosh, he's just a troubled little boy too. Wow, let's go back into his life. And so the journey might take us back in time to that trauma and to give that person the support that they didn't have or a different perspective, to kind of heal and release, to open their heart to forgive, to say, you know, screw you or no, it's not okay. You know, so that their voice could be expressed at a time. Maybe that at 8 or 6 or 12 or 15, they didn't have the ability to say no or express what they needed to. They can do that now and reclaim their power and, you know, create clearer boundaries and to learn to receive. What did I learn from this? What is the most powerful gift that I'm taking away? That my voice matters?

Yeah. I remember for me, like, you were. You. You brought me into this. I was really kind of like in this. This half awake, half asleep state once I kind of got settled down. I think you were playing some musical instruments. There were some smells. I think there were. You had some sound frequencies going as well. And I began to. I was visualizing my children, my wife coming up to me and saying certain things that were actually very meaningful. I mean, if people want to go watch the Facebook video that I'll put over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Anahata, you know, like, my son Taryn said to me that I needed to remember to just have fun in life. And my son river told me that the very best thing is love. And my wife Jessa appeared, and she told me to be present. And so it was really interesting. Like, for me, it was a big connection to my family and certain members of my family saying things. And there was, like, this old tree that you had me visualize, and the old tree was encouraging me to have a deeper connection with the earth and to basically do what I did right after, which was just like, get outside, be barefoot, have a deeper connection with nature. And a lot of those things that I think are very Sedona esque. So that was really interesting. And then I rushed out full of energy, and I felt amazing. But we didn't even do some of the other things that you do that I'm aware of that I wanted to make sure we had time to ask you about, like, your shaman Jellic healing session. It was really interesting, and I highly encourage. And by the way, I don't have a financial affiliation with Anahata or anything like that. I just think this is super interesting stuff that she does. Plus, everybody's got to go to Sedona and have, like, a superfood chocolate smoothie anyways.

Definitely.

So breathwork. Yeah, I've done holotropic breathwork before. It's the highest I've ever gotten without the use of any type of pharmaceutical or drug. I didn't do holotropic breath work with you, but you do like special forms of breath work. Talk to me a little bit about the breath work that you do and what's happening kind of like physiologically when one enters into one of these altered states through breath work.

Okay, so when, when deep breathing occurs, we're hyper oxygenating the body and we're also, we're also clearing what we were talking about earlier. Deep breathing exercises are one of the most powerful and efficient and free ways to clear the brain of toxins. But it also floods the pineal and the pituitary glands with oxygen blood flow and it is actually opening up those higher states of awareness. So we're kind of like clearing the mind. But when the breath goes down into, and it's directed into the emotional body and the energetic body, I explain it like using a broom to kind of sweep out the basement of stuff that we just don't want to deal with. You know, those traumas, insecurities, pains, wounds that we kind of just stuff over in the corner that over life just get heavier and heavier. Breath work is a powerful way to kind of clean the basement out of those kind of dense emotions that are blocking your higher states of awareness, your productivity, your success, your, you know, depth of, to be vulnerable in relationships, all of that, because we have all of those emotional traumas and limiting beliefs kind of holding in our lower energy centers of our body. And so what I, what I do and actually what I teach is a version, what I call shamangelic breath work. Because we're going to use the breath to kind of go in along with, you know, the breathing and powerful music I'm working hands on with people, you know, people's body to help them move the energy deeper. A question, I might, you know, just place a question right in your ear or you know, put my hands on certain parts of the body to kind of move the energy or to clear something out or open the heart. There may be some guided visualizations or questions that just kind of get you to go deeper. What are you afraid of? You know, what it, where, where you know, what's holding you back and kind of those deeper questions of who's in your way, what's in your way and bringing it up.

How long does it take to get into like that, that altered state where you're receptive to that type of thing.

Through breath work, you know, that really is a very personal thing because some people can, can drop in a lot faster than others. And that's very personal. And it also depends on how deeply, how deeply you're reading. And some People can drop in very quickly and sometimes it takes people a little bit longer to really go for it and trust the process. And you know, I actually teach, I have a whole training course of how to facilitate, how to train other people to facilitate breath work. But Ben, one of my favorite, it's one of my favorite tools because it can so quickly. Usually I do a whole session that's like a two hour experience where we talk about the whole process, get people ready, explain everything, have a full hour of breathing that's kind of deeper and then it's also more expansive and spiritual and awakening and softer. It kind of goes through ebbs and flows and ups and downs, allows emotion to move and consciousness to come in and it's so powerful and it's one of my favorite things. And you can do that with an individual or couples or a whole group. In fact, I'm headed to Onit, Aubrey's place to do breathwork facilitation for all of his yoga studios out there and OnIt in Austin, Texas at Black Swan Yoga. And so I lead, you know, big ceremonies for this as well. And you absolutely can reach altered states of consciousness. Sometimes it's more physical because that's what needs to happen, is clearing out physical density in the body. Sometimes it's emotional where rage, anger, crying, sadness, grief or joy or elation.

I cried. I cried a lot like, like for me because it was all choreographed music. It was about 90 minutes long. This was at US CrossFit in Encinitas, California actually where I did this one after an event called Kokoro which is like Navy SEAL hell week for civilians. So I was probably kind of open spiritually anyways. All my chakras are wide open and bleeding by that time Baby and I went through this session and literally a total out of body experience. So it was a lot of, a lot of like almost like Wim Hof style hyperventilation. Like and then you know, you do that for a long time, like four or five minutes and then you'd breathe everything out, hold your breath for as long as you can, take a deep breath in and you'd go into like box breathing for another two minutes and you'd cycle back and forth like that for like a half hour, right? And then just lay there in a trance like state. And the whole time the music is pounding and you're also feeling the energy from all the other people in the room which seems to have a place profound effect because I've tried this by myself and it's way different with other People in the room and.

Yeah, because somebody else. Somebody else that is, you know, maybe reliving a trauma and just like, no, you know, stop. It's not okay. Or somebody who's screaming or crying kind of opens up people's inhibitions to say, well, gosh, you know, it's okay for me to express, too, because there's such intense programming. Don't feel, don't cry, don't express, and certainly don't do that in front of anybody else. And so I just did this with six men last week, and it was so, so powerful. These are all like bodybuilder construction, you know, running construction companies. And these are, like, buff, kind of, you know, tough guys that are in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. And, you know, they're pretty intense programming not to feel. And every single one of them emotional meltdowns, totally transparent and authentic. And they were able to really release things that had happened from childhood that they never told anybody, ever. And they're finally free of that in one session. And it just. And that they were also able to be that vulnerable. And so it's. It's a powerful process, and it's quite efficient because you can move density out and within the same session, okay, if you let go of that trauma, what are you putting in its place? Bring in more joy, bring in more bliss, bring in more confidence, you know, put in new beliefs about who you are and the value of your, you know, voice and your potential. So I love that as a. As a process, I do that individually.

People can show up with you, either individually or as a group, and go through what that actually is, like holotropic breath work. Because I know there's. There's actually apps. There's like holotropic breathwork apps and websites, but from what I understand, and I've actually never tried in the apps, I. It seems a little bit gimmicky versus the actual experience. But I mean, if people are listening in, if you're listening and you've tried one of these holotropic breathwork apps or have some other way to do it, feel free to leave a comment and fill us all in. And I didn't do the breathwork with you, Anahata, but I find it fascinating when I did it in Encinitas. It's super powerful for anybody listening.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why Aubrey turned you on to me, is because that's one of the things he first experienced is a couple shamangelic healing journeys and then a couple breathwork sessions and it just knocked, knock, you know, knocked his socked off socks off and just expanded, cracked him wide open. The difference between an app and being in person and shamangelic breathwork. What I do is I'm actually diving into your emotional, energetic body with you. I'm not just turning on the music and shaking a rattle. This is like focused on you and whoever else is in the room with us to kind of help navigate those deeper places of your psyche that you can't get to otherwise. And so having it facilitated allows you to go deeper. And journeying does happen sometimes. Like I said, sometimes it's physical, sometimes it's emotional, and other times it's an out of body experience. And it isn't so completely safe to not, if you are going into interdimensional travel, to not have a steward being able to bring you back.

Yeah. You know, you don't want to get stuck out in the dimensions. Yeah. Floating around for the rest of all time. Hey, what other, what other modalities do you do? You do like we talked about breath work and, and some of the sound healing. But are there, are there any other kind of like unique things that you do in terms of like healing modalities or energy modalities as far as what's in your, what's in your bag of tricks over there?

Yes, so many things. So I work with people primarily on relationships as well. There's a whole, you know, whether it's, hey, I want to attract my soulmate or I want to be better in my relationships or I want to be a better parent or I want to be a better spouse. So I work with individuals that are wanting to up their relationship game, be more better with my, be better with my employees. So relationship tools and also within couples to help them navigate the ups and downs and the ins and outs to have a healthy relationship. And especially those that are also parents so that they're able to navigate their children through the different stages of, oh, an 8 year old is different than a 16 year old, which is different than a 26 year old. And so since I've been through that process as, as we share twins. You have twins and I have twins.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

You know. Yeah. So that's another thing that we share in common and having navigated those changes in a really beautiful way with my kids. So I work a lot with family dynamics and couples. One of my core things is working with people going through life shifts. So a big life shift might be, wow, I got the diagnosis, you know, like, I'm going through or someone in my family is going through, you know, a big diagnosis, whether that's cancer or some other kind of disease. You know, how to navigate that. I work with people on expanding their spiritual practices and spiritual awakening. So I have a whole deep meditation set of meditation practices and sessions that I help people to be able to access those higher states of awareness and deepen their meditation practice, getting people out on the land. I do shamanic wisdom teachings and shamanic wisdom walks and like an ancient medicine wheel ceremony. So I have a background in. In a shamanic wisdom and shamanic training.

And so what's a wisdom walk?

A wisdom walk is connecting with the wisdom teachers in nature. So that's the elements. Water, air, earth and fire. That's talking to the mountain, that is getting with a tree, that is paying attention to what animal spirits are crossing your path to determine what message are they having. When a blue jay crosses your path or when a crow comes or a snake or, you know, coyote. What are the animal spirit kind of wisdom teachings and kind of really getting with the nature wisdom teachers that the Native Americans would call their relationship, you know, so really connecting with the elements and also the different relations. Trees, flowers, plants, mountains, bodies of water for their wisdom as well, and teaching people how to access that when they're in nature.

Interesting. Interesting.

Yeah. It's like going to church, but through the Native American, with a Native American lens. Because you can get a sermon from a mountain, you can absolutely get a very specific message from that church.

I like to combine them. Like, I sometimes will. Like, I'm all about fellowshipping with other people and having a room full of spiritual energy and what happens at church. But I've also. A lot of times we were traveling, I've taken the kids and my wife on, like, a hike, and we will find, like, a nice spot up in the mountains. Like, we did this last time we were in Boise. We hiked up the mountain and we'll have like, a little, like, church service, like right there, like under a rock or sitting cross, lay on top of a mountain. And it's amazing. It's a whole different energy.

So it's a wonderful place to send prayers or to ask for healing or to get guidance.

You know, that's why, like, yeah, the whole concept, like, I get that you can kind of, like, worship and experience spiritual energy anywhere. But, like, how many churches are in, like, shopping mall malls and freaking, like, strip malls? And like, the main. The church I go to in Spokane, it's in. It's in a strip Mall. But like, I would love to see more. Like, I think that's the one thing that. That like Catholicism has nailed is like they've built these huge freaking cathedrals with amazing energy. Right. Or you go outside in more of like a Native American format and you worship in nature. And like, to me, the environment is huge when it comes to a true spiritual connection, you know, versus being sandwiched in between McDonald's and a Walgreens.

Yeah. So that's just leveraging. And it can go in complete integration with other people's spiritual beliefs, whatever denomination or whatever spiritual belief you have, there's certainly space to have that support and work in conjunction with whatever your current spiritual beliefs are. Absolutely.

A lot of people are. A lot of people are interested in plant medicine in ayahuasca and dmt, but they don't know where to start. They don't have someone like walk them through that type of process. I don't even know if I can legally ask you this question, but do you do those type of things as well? Are you a plant medicine person?

There's all kinds of different types of shamanic healers. And a medicine man, or a plant medicine man is actually called an ayahuascaro if they are facilitating plant specifically.

You say ayahuascaro. I say plant medicine person because I.

Didn'T know that word.

Okay. Ayahuascaro. Thank you for expanding my vernacular specifically.

In Peru, you know, and I've studied and trained in Peru and in Mexico and North America and Eastern Asia. Yeah, all over the place. But there are lots of different types of shamans. And one is the kind of. More the shamanic healer that's kind of doing soul retrieval and emotional clearing and the ceremonialist. And that's kind of my. More. More my ray and my calling. There's a whole separate calling that is specifically and breath work, because that is like a journeying type of experience, but non medicine based, just breath based. And it is a whole separate calling and a whole separate study to really deeply understand each of these medicine teachers. Because in shamanism, something is only a medicine. You hear this term all the time, Medicine, medicine. And in shamanism, a medicine is only something that leaves you more whole. And if it's not in the right dose, if it's not the right time, if it's not for the right ailment, if you're going for the wrong reason or it's not held in the right container, then it will become a poison, even if it has medicinal qualities. Just like wine may have medicinal Qualities, if it's taken at the right time, at the right dose for the right reason. Same with, you know, ice cream might be. Or spirulina, you know, anything if it is not taken in the right dose at the right time for the right reason, for the right ailment.

Yeah. Unless it's spirulina on ice cream, in.

Which case there you have it all.

The time, you know. I did, yeah. My last experience with ayahuasca and dmt, you know, was a tea ceremony leading up to it, DMT inhalation and multiple DMT inhalations. And it was wonderful. It was absolutely wonderful. I had no purging, I had no vomiting. It was just all a completely magical experience where I saw fractal light and had a very, very near experience with God. And it was amazing. And for me, what's funny is for me, because I know people who do 40, 50 trips for. For me, after that particular journey, I finished that one and basically I was like, I have zero desire now. Zero desire. I'm good. I've seen God, gotten what I want to. Maybe someday it'll come back on my heart to use that medicine to get a more extreme release of dmt. But I almost feel like it got me so in touch with that pineal gland that we were talking about that I don't need. I now see those fractal lights. Wherever I'm at, it's in me now. It's really interesting, right?

And so this is really powerful because this is something that can, if it's used properly, if it's the right time, like, you already know, it's not the time anymore. Like, I got this, I'm done for now. And if you were to go back to it, because everybody else is going back to it and you've already gotten the instruction, I don't need this. It will become a poison for you. So this is what I recommend with people, because I'll tell you, Ben, I see the light side and the dark side of plant medicines because I have a lot of people that come here that don't know where else to go, that have overdone it inappropriately. They've been in the wrong space, they took it for the wrong reason, they got the wrong dose, the container wasn't held, and maybe the substance wasn't totally clean, or their energy body and emotional body, their matrix, if you will, was not primed or ready for that experience. And so it actually fries people's circuits. And so actually people. I have so many people a year, probably 50 a year that are coming to me that are messed up from stuff. They haven't slept in two weeks. They are having psychic kind of fissures. They're kind of in a paranoia state. They can go into all kinds of different kind of psychic abnormalities where they're seeing visions that aren't there and they're in dream time. They're having some dark stuff happen, and they've opened up portals. They've opened up portals and kind of fried their circuits a bit.

Exactly. Yeah. I've always thought it was dangerous to just have. Have a shaman over to your buddy's condo. Right. To do. It's just like that. Yeah. I don't. I don't like that. It does. It doesn't seem right to me.

Like, when I. Walgreens and the Catholic Church.

For me. Yeah, for me, I was like, fasting the whole day prior, and there's a whole ceremony leading up. It was extremely, like, we took it very seriously. Yeah, yeah. It was sacred.

So let me answer. Let me ask just a couple things on this, just because. Because I want to be a voice for people to be aware when they're navigating, whether or not they should do a plant medicine ceremony. And so here's a couple questions. One, are you personally drawn to it? Just like you said, hey, now I'm not drawn to it. I was drawn to it before, and now I'm not drawn to it. And so this isn't about, oh, my friend, my neighbor, my boyfriend, my girlfriend, whoever, are they drawn to it? First question, am I actually drawn to this medicine? Not curious, but am I drawn? Second, is it the right time? Because sometimes you may be drawn to the medicine, but this weekend I just. It doesn't feel like it's the right time. Second, is it the. Third, is it the right facilitator? Because there's lots of people pouring and creating all kinds of different medicines that are not Iowa scarrows, that are not trained. It's getting shipped over here. They don't even know what's in the jug. And they're disseminating it as if they're actually, you know, brewing it. And so if they're not actually brewing it, if they're not really trained in understanding how to create that substance and understanding it enough to know what the impact is on somebody else, a real trained ayahuascaro does the brew. They also hold the space because not everybody that pours medicine knows how to hold a container to keep dark energies out and to keep psychic energies clear. Like, that's a whole other training and then also to be able to interpret the visions that happened afterwards. So what I have found a lot of times is that people are getting way overdosed because the person wasn't really being mindful and scanning each person as they come in. Because when I was in Peru taking medicine for my first time many, many years ago, and I feel very complete at this point too. But the ayahuasca scans people. No, you don't need it today. It's not up to the individual to decide. And a drug dealer in shaman's clothes with a rattle will not ask you, you know, they'll just take your money. And so is it the right person? Like, do you deeply trust them with your psychic and like, mental safety? Is it the right container? Because a lot of times the container isn't really safe or clear, you know. So those are all questions that if you're not getting a yes all the way across, then absolutely no you might be called, but it might not be a clear container or the right facilitator. And most of the people that land in my healing practice messed up have not been that discerning about those five questions that I just gave you.

Okay, so for review, one more time, the five questions.

Are you called?

Are you called?

Is it the right time? Is it the right facilitator? Definitely do your research on people because there's. There's some charlatans out there for sure that are taking advantage of people. And is it the right location? Oh, and also is it the right group of people because you're going to be exposed to all of their energy when you're in that room journeying with them. Yeah, so I've had. I've had. People have had some not so excellent experiences, like really, really intense traumas and things that they did not recover from. So I take it pretty seriously. It is the perfect thing at the right time. And then you just need to know when to step back. Or if it's not your thing, then it's not your thing, no matter how much it's great for everybody else. It's only a medicine if it leaves you more whole.

Yeah, I like it. Well, you do retreats there in Sedona and you also have special resources on your website. You had even mentioned giving something to the folks who were listening in before we started recording. You said you had something you wanted to give away to them. Do you just want. Do you want to fill us in now or just send me the info after? I can put in the show notes or how do you want to, how do you want to give people some goodies here?

Okay, cool. Well, first of all, I'm here. Check out the website shamangelichealing.com I'm here based in Sedona and I do individual sessions and multiple day sessions, like a private retreat for people that want to go deeper. There's also group retreats that are happening. There's a women's empowerment retreat, a shamanic soul retreat, and I also teach courses on empowerment and awakening where you can learn a lot of this stuff in group settings. And also those that are interested in the healing arts, I run a whole shamangelic healing school. And then yes, I will put a promo code for some free gifts. I'll give you a link to put on your page there so that people can land and get a free gift and also discount to some online courses or an upcoming event for sure so that people that are drawn here, you know, or you know, I'll give a coupon code for a breathwork session, a discount off of that. If people are really drawn to experience.

People can go experience the same crazy energy in Sedona that I experienced. I'm going to come back at some point, I believe in the summer I'm going to. I plan on coming back to Sedona myself. So I'll definitely connect with you when I'm there, unless I happen to see you in Austin at the ONIT facilities at some point because I really dig all the folks down there and make it down there every once in a while. So in the meantime though, what I'm going to do is put your kind offer along with everything else that we just talked about over in the show notes along with the Facebook video I shot right after I met with Anahata the last time I was down there. That's all going to be over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Anahata Just like it sounds like a N a H a T A Anahata, thanks so much for coming on the show and sharing all this stuff with us. You're a, a magical, insightful, very, very cool person. You were able to open up some pretty intense insights for me personally. So I thought exposing you to my listeners would be a very good thing and I hope some folks look you up.

Thank you. And I just want to thank you, Ben, for everything that you're doing to really be a maverick. Just going after all of these modalities and tools, leading edge fitness, mentally, emotionally and phys. And so thank you for being such a leader in this industry and continuing to bring best practices and tools to your audience. And I know that if people have listened all the way to hear that there's something powerful here in what we've.

Already shared, they made it this far into the woo woo. It must be powerful.

There's something talking to your soul. Then I look forward to meeting those that are really called to go deeper. So thank you, Ben, and blessings to you and your family and the boys. And may you have an amazing summer. We'll see you here in Sedona. Definitely.

Awesome. Well folks, there's your interview with Shamanjela Keeler, Anahata Ananda again. All the shownotes are@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Anahata have an amazing week.

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