Part 2: 67 Steps to Getting Anything You Want Out of Life Health, Wealth, Love, & Happiness with Tai Lopez

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Hey folks, it's Ben Greenfield. And welcome to part two of our very special podcast series with my mentor, Tai Lopez. Now, if you haven't yet discovered Ty, I'd recommend that you go back and listen to the first podcast episode that we did with Ty. And it's really not the first ever podcast episode that we did with him, but it's the first part of this series that I'm doing with Ty where you get to sit back and hear as Ty mentors me in my business and my life and you get to basically be the fly in the wall as that happens. So part one of this series, you can go listen to it as@BenGreenfieldFitness.com TY1 and in that first podcast, Ty and I talked about things like how to stop multitasking, how to reprogram your genetics by doing things like reframing the way that you view the use of your phone by checking your email less, and by basically increasing productivity by embracing the chaos of getting less involved with things like emails and your phone. We talked about a lot of different books as well that I also had in the show notes of that episode. So again, all that is@BenGreenfieldFitness.comTY1 along with a link to Ty's online video series called 67 Steps to Getting anything you want out of life, health, wealth, love and happiness. And today, if you want resources for anything that Ty and I talk about, you can go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Tai2 that's T A I Tai2 and you can get resources for what we talk about today. And you're about to hear what we're going to talk about today. So Ty, thanks for coming on. Once again, thanks for having me.

I always like talking to you, Ben.

Yeah, and it was kind of funny because last time, it was about a month ago or so when we did our first mentorship podcast and you told me that I just needed to ditch my phone and kind of get rid of it for a while and do what you called embracing the chaos. Like get used to just not being connected. Get used to not checking your email frequently. And that night actually I lost my phone. Just completely lost it. It was totally serendipitous. But yeah, so I got forced from the frying pan right into the fire, but ended up being really weird because when I actually got my phone, it took about two days or so to get my phone back. It's like the world hadn't ended. There really wasn't that much that I had to do aside from be able to use all the free time that I got by not having my phone run for a while. So it actually turned out to be a good thing. And you know, the other thing that I've been doing quite a bit more of since we last talked is really getting into this concept of not feeling bad about just ignoring emails for long periods of time. You know, with the caveat to that that I have like one folder that all of my important VIP clients emails get poured into and I check that one folder. But other than that, I can ignore everything else and sometimes I'll do so for one to two days and again it turns out to be just fine and nothing blows up. So.

Yeah, I wanted to ask you, I was like, how's it going since the last one? So you answered that. So feeling good about it. And life's all about experimentation. So every person ends up tweaking. Like Freud says in Civilization and Its Discontents, when he talks about happiness, he gives like nine factors that people use to try to find happiness. And he says at the end, or kind of his conclusion, it's just an essay. He says, each of us has a different constitution, so you have to find your mix. So as you're doing this, as you experiment, which it sounds like you're doing well, you end up coming to equilibrium at some point and going, okay, here's the happy medium that seems to work for the environment I'm in now. So you feel like you're kind of getting closer to that?

Yeah, I do. And it's nice because it's just that much more time that I have to chill, you know. Like, my kids now are going to school. I homeschooled them up until this year, and now they're going to this little private school and they get home from school now at 3 3:50 in the afternoon. So it's always my goal now to just have nothing to do at 3:50 in the afternoon aside from just open the door to my kids. And it's just, you know, like yesterday actually was. It was kind of fun. We went hunting for a couple hours in the backyard and, you know, we didn't actually find anything or shoot anything, but it was fun. To just have that time to just walk around in the forest for two hours and be thinking about nothing but showing my kids how to, how to explore and how to track game and just be in nature.

Awesome. Well, that's awesome, man.

So what else?

What new things have popped into your head over the last 30 days?

Well, I've got one thing that I want to talk to you about, and it might almost be more of a philosophical question, but one of the few TV shows that I watch is Shark Tank on Hulu. Actually. I have this giant TV in my house. It's like this super fancy 3D TV and I've never actually used it. I don't know how to use it. It's not hooked up. Like, I don't have TV reception. So anyways, though I do watch Hulu sometimes on my little 13 inch laptop screen. And I like to watch Shark Tank where these people come in and they pitch their business ideas and ask for venture capital from a bunch of different sharks like Mark Cuban and, and some of these other folks. And one thing that I've been thinking about as I watched that show is a lot of these folks are coming in and many of them are very successful, right? They're pulling in up to several million dollars each month. They seem very happy, fulfilled, but they want to go from like seven figures to eight figures or eight figures to nine figures. And what I've been thinking about when I watch that, and also when I take part in some discussions in some of the entrepreneurial circles that I'm a of, is when do you say I'm good? Like, you know, when do you say I'm as big as I want to be and maybe money and growth and going public and going from, you know, making the amount of money that allows you to have what you want in life versus an amount of money that is some, you know, big figure on paper. You know, when do you say that you found that ideal balance or when do you strike the ideal balance between making money and then just, you know, saying, okay, I'm good and sitting back and living life? And one of the main things I've struggled with is, you know, is one of the main reasons for making more money so that you can make a bigger difference in the world? And, you know, where do you stop between making a bigger difference in the world and just being happy and living life and relaxing and, you know, walking around with your kids in the forest? So that's, that's a big philosophical question I've kind of been dealing with lately.

Well, I Think there. You know, whenever I bump into questions like that in my own brain, the way I start with it, that kind of frees me up. I think, to find the answer for myself is knowing that there's no black and white. I call that, you know, in 67 steps. I call that the medieval mind that most of us have unknowingly grown up around. And it's basically, you know, 1500s. If you said the world was round, not flat, or that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, you know, you might be burned at the stake. So back then, everything was very black and white. It was like, no, you know, the Earth is the center of the universe, is what we believe. And any contrary advice, you know, gets you burned as a heretic. And although that doesn't happen anymore, per se, that methodology of thinking has still lingered into our brains even now in, you know, the 21st century. So the first step that frees you up to getting an answer is to go there really isn't an answer. And when you talk like, if you sit down at a dinner table and ask this, you're going to get people on sides, very adamant, like, oh, yeah, and they're both going to be able to make compelling cases. And the answer, I think, is like, Will Durant, the Pulitzer Prize winning historian, when he talks about the great philosophers, he says, everything is thesis on the left side. On the right side, if you put up your left hand, it's like thesis on the right side is antithesis, the antithesis. And you got to find the synthesis that's in the middle. And it doesn't necessarily always mean literally in the middle. It's just saying the blend. So I was reading Bob Marley a book on him when he died. He died of cancer. He got cancer in his toe and it spread. And he's the great musician, the reggae artist. And he was with his son, was holding his hand in the hospital room, and his last words to his son were, was, money can't buy you life. And so at one level, you have that way of seeing life, like, at the end of the day, money can buy you life. So that's the thesis. That's the one side, the people that will argue that you must go beyond money and you just have to live and enough is enough. But there's also the other side, which is like Jeff Bezos says, we are here to get things done. One of the most innate human attributes that you'll see. And even the smallest child, if you give them blocks, Legos, if you lay Legos, on the ground to a very young child, two years old, they'll start to put them together and build because that is your humanness. So on the other side, kind of like the Bible says, if you're Christian or religious or Jewish, it says man's here to, you know, by the sweat of your brow, you will get things done. And that we are. Your purpose is to get things done. Even if you're an atheist. It's the same evolution you see, that drive in humans. So I think at some place, whether, you know, if someone's listening to this and they're making a thousand dollars a month or a million dollars a month, what the better way that I like to look at it is what John Wooden, if you haven't read any John Wooden, he's the great UCLA basketball coach, the most winning coach in college basketball history in the US he has a triangle, a pyramid of virtues and character traits that he would teach. And one of the most important ones, he said, is ambition. You have to have ambition. He considered that, but it had to be kept in check by the other character traits like teamwork and so on and so forth. So, you know, honesty and all those things. So I think every. And he also said, you know, God only made one Kareem Abdul Jabbar, the great basketball player. And I think one of the. So I think to me it's fine to be ambitious. One of the issues, I would say, as you come with this left hand side, right hand side, and trying to find the balance for yourself, is that we are bombarded by the media with images, even if you don't watch tv, but just culture with images of people who are different than us, yet subconsciously we feel we have to become them. And John Wooden, like he said, God only made one Kareem Abdul jabbar. He was 7 foot 2, graceful basketball player. You and I, Ben, we're not going to be Kareem. So when we see Kareem in the media, we can very easily become dissatisfied with our life, no matter how hard we try to be ambitious, because we can't be him. So John Wooden said, you're in a competition with yourself. And so that's to me, the middle ground, where you go, what's the natural aptitude I have? And one of the things in the 67 steps, the most important one for those listening who may be in it, is the one where I talk on oil Arian business destiny. So it's a concept of you have to find out what the max you can hit with the given circumstance. And then you go for broke for that, while at the same time maintaining the four pillars. So that's kind of a litmus test for me too. If you start violating some of the four pillars, health, wealth, love and happiness, or some of the other three, I should say health, love and happiness just to get wealth, you can do that for a short stretch, but if it starts becoming prolonged, then I think you have to check yourself. Hip hop saying goes, you know, you got to check yourself before you wreck yourself. If you start completely, you know, for a week or something, you're working really hard, staying up late to get something launched for business. But if that week turns into a month, turns into a year, and you start degrading your health, then it's a little bit like Bob Marley said, money can't buy you life. Like, you can't sacrifice health for that.

When you lived, for example, with, with the Amish, they obviously live a relatively simple life, but I think from what I've heard you say in the past, they actually do pretty well for themselves financially while still living this simple life. And they're obviously not lazy. And I know that they're very productive people. Did you find that they were motivated by money and growing their enterprise and, you know, growing their, their legacy or whatever? Or did they seem to be motivated by other things? Was just like a built in work ethic where you get out of bed and it's just like, I'm gonna work just because work feels good? Or was. Was that kind of based off of wanting to, to make more money and to build up the bank account?

Well, so that's an interesting question. So with the Amish, you have a combination of very German work ethic and German still. You know, my grandma's from Berlin and I'm a half German. And if I was just actually in Germany last month I got, I met a guy at the Berkshire Hathaway meeting who turned out to be one of the wealthiest men in Europe. I didn't know a real humble guy said, oh, come talk to my company, I'll fly you to Germany. So I flew there last month and turns out this guy, you know, I didn't realize Wikipedia, he's this huge mogul in Europe and had me, has 500 employees. It has me speak to all his executives. And I was like, wow, this guy is humble. So humble. I don't realize who he was, but at the same time I said, when did you start your business? He owns some of the biggest publishing companies in Europe. And he said 12. And he was German I mean this guy's probably 65 or 70 and had that German work ethic on time. So the Amish retain that. And at the same time they're very, they're deeply religious Christian and so they strongly believe in that. In the Old Testament, you know, man will work by this, live by the sweat of his brow. And you know some of the New Testament stuff talks about, talks about these things. And so they are not money motivated per se the way I look at it. And I think this applies to the Amish and non Amish. I built this, I'm trademarking this personality typing system and I use it for, I teach business guys how to close sales and get more customers. And so it's called PACE P A S E. So practical action, social and emotional. And each of us have a component but usually have one dominant. So practical people generally are much more motivated by money. So that's a P A people action. They're motivated by the newness of doing new things in entrepreneurial ventures by activity. Social people are motivated by interactions just not because they want an outcome. They just like interacting with other people. And then E emotional people are often driven by feelings and so on. So within even the Amish you'll see the P practical people without coming out and saying it, they are probably more motivated by monetary gain. And yeah, there's lots of millionaires. The thing about the Amish that's nice, that's very interesting and applicable to you and I in the modern world is basically nobody really ever sacrifices the other things to get money. That's very looked down upon as a society. If you're a young boy and you're too money hungry, you know no girl's going to want to marry you. And that's one of the best motivations for you know, if you look at how society motivates males, it's primarily about what women want. So if you are made fun of or shunned in terms of no one wants to marry you, you won't do that activity anymore. So you're definitely. They don't sacrifice their social life, they don't sacrifice their spirituality to get money because they'll be kept in check by social norms. So in the modern world, you and I, because there are, we live in like a just this non homogenous society where it's just like do whatever you want. You could easily get out of line and nobody's going to stop you. Like if you right now just were like forget it, I don't care, my kids come home, I'm Going to put them in daycare and you know, they don't see me. I see them at 9 o' clock and I'm doing emails. So if that was what Ben, you wanted to do, there's no one societal, you'll be able to find a group of society that encourages that activity. So that's what makes modern life much harder in that no matter how crazy your life becomes, no matter how dysfunctional it becomes, you'll find some segment of society that will back you. Whereas at the Amish it's not. If you start getting just pure money hungry and screwing people over in business deals and sacrificing, not coming to church for them is a big thing, you would pretty much have so much social pressure on you that you'd come snap back to reality.

Interesting.

That's why I say for you and for everybody, for me, you have to find a group of people that will be able to, you know, tap you on the shoulder and be like, hey man, this isn't you. Snap back, get back, get back to it. If you don't have that. The human are ambitious by DNA, man, we're ruthless by DNA. And like Will Durant says, you know, we have, you and I are here on an evolutionary basis because our parents were a good blend and your grandparents and great great grandparents were the blend of altruism, caring about others and ruthlessness, caring about themselves. And I still think you have to strike that balance.

So if you could, if you could think of people like, examples of people that you know of well known people who you think strike that good balance, you know, if I wanted to go watch what they were doing, maybe read their biography, if they have a biography, you know, read their blog, whatever. People who you think strike a good balance between doing well for themselves from an income standpoint, right, like making enough money to live really comfortably but also be able to maybe give money, charity, help other people out, that type of thing, but who also seem to be living life to the fullest, right? Like not just making money, but also going on adventures and exploring and, you know, having, having time for their family and enjoying things in life that go above and beyond just the, you know, the ultimate goal of making more money. Are there any people that come to mind for you as folks who you would say kind of strike that ideal balance?

Well, you know, my first mentor, Joel Salatin, I would say he's about as king of pulling off the good life that I've ever met. I just, I launched has he ever.

Has he ever written a book about his Story. Like, I know he's got lots of practical, like, you know, how to. How to make chicken coops or whatever, but I mean, but does he actually have a store like his story written anywhere?

So he has 10 books he's done. Some of them are philosophy, some of them are, like you said, how to. I'm not sure if there's one just on his life. What I did do read. So I launched this new series called Millionaire Mentor Interviews. It's obviously a business oriented one, but it's about mentors that I've had and that I, you know, people that are friends and advisors. And the first one I did, when I just released this, launched this this month. And the first thing I did was sit down. Joel Salatin was out at my house. He was doing the Joe Rogan podcast. And then he went up to Berkeley with Michael Pollan, Omnivore's Dilemma author. And so Joel was here and he stopped in my house and I recorded like two and a half hours. And in that I talk about, you know, I've never, I don't. He hasn't done. So I'm his first person he ever mentored, his first apprentice, besides his own son, who was 12 when I went there, but I was like 18. And so that is probably a good glimpse into Joel, that interview.

Where do you find that?

So it's on my. If people are on my, you know, on Tai Lopez.com on the LIT. Yeah, I'll give you a link. That's probably the best way because we. It's just in pre release now. It's called the Millionaire Mentor Interview Series. I'm not sure where it is.

Yeah, okay, cool.

It's really cool. But so Joel is the epitome of. So if you. Let's just take the four pillars. So health. Joel not only is a very healthy guy, I mean, you know, he's getting older now, but Joel is one strong dude. I will tell you this, a man you would not want to wrestle with. Joel is one of the strongest guys I've ever been around. Just pure strength, farmer since he was.

Yeah, like farm on a farm. Farm boy. Strong.

Yeah. It's funny. His son Daniel is also super strong. And one of my brothers was an MMA fighter, you know, professional fighter, and came to visit on Joel Salon's farm and somehow he decided to wrestle Daniel. And Daniel was like five years younger. And I remember Daniel picked him up and my brother is not small, picked him up like a toy and tossed him. And my brother was like, oh, this guy's Strong Ty. I was like, he was like 16 and picked up, you know, 180 pound man and just tossed him. So Joel definitely has health. And in addition to his own physical health, he's in the health space in terms of, you know, him and Alan Nation really pioneered grass fed at that movement, even though now you have the Joe Robinsons and the Sally Fallons and all that. But the guys that were pushing it back in the 70s, that was Joel Salatin and Alan Nation. So not only is he healthy himself, but he is in that space and spreading health around the world.

Wealth.

Joel is a multimillionaire now. You know, he. But that was never his aspiration. It just came. It's kind of like the Amish. But he's definitely has wealth, love. You know, he married his high school sweetheart. They got married, you know, right out while they were in college. I think he only dated. That was the only woman. You know, they both only dated each other. So his love there, you know, Joel always told me a good sign, a good test of how well you've done as a parent is whether your kids want to stick around once they get older. Because a lot of kids just leave, right? That means they didn't, they didn't have much effect. Now, not that that's the ultimate test, but for Joel, his son has stayed on and pretty much now runs the businesses and lives, has a house basically on the farm about a half mile from Joel and his daughter Rachel, still in their life. And now Joel has grandkids. He told me, you know, one of my dreams was always to have my farm and my business and my family and my kids running around my feet and all the, and my grandkids running around my feet. And that for sure, if you want to be happy. As I say, nature laughs last. If you try to break, break that rule of the human brain, one of the great purposes for humans is to have great grandchildren. Whether you're religious or an atheist, you, you would both agree on that. And so he has that, that pillar, the third pillar, and then the fourth pillar, fulfillment, happiness, working for a goal larger than yourself. So Joel Charlie Munger, the billionaire, says the earned respect of your peers is one of the sweetest feelings of fulfillment you'll ever have. And Joel has the respect. I mean, I've never, you know, I've not met many people who have a more strong group of people interested in them. And he has, you know, Joel's here in my house. He's almost, I think he's almost 60.

Wow.

He said, ty, you'll see it. In his interview, he goes, ty, I don't know how people sleep for all the opportunity in the world. So he's tap dancing the work. He's a religious guy, he's Christian. So he has his faith, he has his family, he has his grandkids, he has a thriving business. He has the respect of his peers. He has real wealth. Not just, you know, he's wealthy in that sense, but lives very, you know, he drives the same car. He told me he bought a car for the first time in his life, probably bought a $3,000 car. He probably drove 5,000. So his mom, his mother who's like 95, lives on the farm there. So at the end of the day, what else do you want? He pretty much pulled off the hat trick. That's the hat trick, all four, you know, and there are other people like that. And you can, you know, Warren Buffett. But Warren Buffett, you know, his love light, I think his love was a little more complicated. Not that you can put people, not that I can judge and say, oh, he did right. But you know, I think by his own admission he had some, some real painful points. But he, Warren Buffett's done a lot of things right. His son is his right hand man at Berkshire Hathaway. So he's done that. And, and he has the earned respect and he certainly has wealth and he has, he's pretty healthy guy, even though he didn't eat that well. But he's doing something right. You know, he, he owns 10% of Coca Cola. So I think he drinks Coca Cola partly just to show it off. And you know, he's not the, he's not like Joel Salatin necessarily doing as good as good for the world and health. But he's pulling off Richard Branson. I think. You know, what's up?

What's the best Warren Buffett to like hear his life story? Is there a book like a biography of Warren Buffett?

If you go on my book. And also there's another good book that I have on my, if you go to tai lopez.com books or you can put a link on your site to my books thing. I have one called A Few Lessons for Investors and Managers by Peter Bevelin and it's quotes of Warren Buffett. He's never written a book. And it is a tremendous, I mean anybody whoever, just ask yourself this test, will you ever need money? If the answer is yes, then you must read this book. It is one of the great books on wealth and money and how to make money. And it's sound, it's solid.

Which one is that?

It's called A Few Lessons for Managers and Investors by Peter Bevelin. It's basically a compilation of Warren Buffett's words on money because he mostly has just does speeches and does, like newsletters.

Right.

So it's tremendously powerful. So, you know, a lot of these.

I'll find these books for those of you listening in and get a. Get a link for you in the show Notes. I actually read Seeking Wisdom, and I own Seeking Wisdom by Peter Bevelin. Fantastic book. I didn't know he had any other books, but Seeking Wisdom is like one of my favorite books. It's right on my bookshelf over here, and it's called Seeking Wisdom from Darwin to Munger. And I didn't know he had another book, but it's called A Few Lessons for Investors and Managers from Warren Buffett.

It's better than the wisdom one, in my opinion. It's more honed into finance. But one of the quick, the tests that I look for, because you're asking this question and there's celebrity, I think Richard Branson, some of these guys, I think the way to test, because you'll find people that are also unknown, that are passing these tests, is the tap dance to work test. So you got to ask yourself, Ben, every morning when I wake up, is there an energy level there that's not artificial? It's not coming from coffee, even though there's nothing necessarily wrong with coffee. It's not coming from delusion. It's not coming from just some false ambition goal that you set in front of yourself. But is it genuine tap dancing out of bed? And the interesting thing, and this is controversial that I'll say this, I see this along a broad spectrum of people, even people that maybe you wouldn't want to be, maybe you don't look up to, let's say Hugh Hefner. He's a very controversial person. Certainly not a role model for a lot of people. But there's a twinkle in people's eye that I see in Joel Salatin. I see it in the Warren Buffett's. And you see it even in people that I said, you know, maybe you would think, wow, that guy doesn't, shouldn't have it, he's money hungry or he's, you know, going after, you know, shallow things like Hugh Hefner. So I think I see it in some athletes, and you see it, you don't see it in others. So I think it's something that, that's why I said that's why at the beginning I brought up Freud and what he says about there's different constitutions for people. And that's why you're not in a competition with Michael Jordan or Warren Buffett or Joel Salatin. What you have to do is what is the, what creates the twinkle in your eye, the tap dance effect for you? You know, one of the things, I'll tell you, Ben, one of the new things that's been on my mind, I always kind of pick a new topic. Once a week I pick a new person to study. That's kind of a pattern with me. I'll get interested in Julius Caesar or, you know, Andre Agassi or whatever. Just right now I'm back on Michael Jordan. For the last week I've been doing, before that I was doing some World War I veteran guys. And then I also pick a concept like I'm glad you're doing this. You got this concept of you're rolling around in your head. What's going to make me, Ben, find that balance between over ambitious and under ambitious. And I think the thing, this new concept for me, I've been not new, but what's really been mulling over my head is the concept of what Socrates and the great philosopher said back thousands of years ago. They talked about the oracle of Delphi. It was a place you went to get wisdom. And the oracle started by saying, know thyself. And I'm at a place right now where everything I'm focused on for myself and other people is how can you figure out yourself more? I'm telling you, if you can crack that nut, if you can get to the bottom of that one, you are light years ahead. And I think that's what attracted to me to some of the stuff you talk about in your book. It's like you have to figure out your body and there's people that body that's completely different. This inheritance book we talked about last time with Dr. Sron Molam, talking about how DNA some people, if they eat fruit, they're fructose intolerant. One piece of fruit would have them drop over dead. So when you give blanket things like, oh, not you, but when the USDA says oh, everybody should eat fruit. Well, what about what if a fructose intolerant person is reading it? They're dead. So what you have to do is find that health combination that works for you. And there's probably some universals like McDonald's. Food universally is bad for everybody. But there's nobody that's getting healthier, eating McDonald's. So we can put that in the universal truth, so to speak category. But then all the other stuff's up for grabs. Some people, and that's what Dr. Sean Mullen says, the day will come when some people are like, do not drink coffee. And some people are like, drink five cups of bulletproof coffee or whatever it is. And so when it comes to this ambition question, health, wealth, love and happiness, you gotta find your one. And so I recommend. I don't know if you've done this, Ben, but there's a link you could put in your show notes to test@humanmetrics.com there's an exact link, but it's at Human Metrics for your Myers Briggs where you get the letters like I'm an.

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It's a tragedy of education that we have not. You and I haven't spent 100 hours of our life doing personality tests while before we even hit 18. It's a tragedy. People, you know, lament the education system and a lot of it is lamentable. But I'm like, imagine if you and I, when we had all the free time at our disposal, if we had sat down and taken every Myers Briggs test, every, you know, choleric, sanguine, melancholy personality test, if we had taken career aptitude tests. What could be better than doubling down, investing in your own brain and understanding yourself and then moving forward? Like, that's the problem with college. It's not college. There's nothing wrong with going to college. There's something wrong with going to anything where you spend four years and 100 grand with no focus. If you know, hey, I want to be a brain surgeon, well, my advice is go to medical school because you're going to go to jail if you try to be a brain surgeon without that. And university works pretty well at putting out good brain surgeons. But if your focus is marketing, you know, there's millions of marketing majors. I'm like, well, you may be better off doing some other stuff, interning with Ogilvy or this, that or the other thing. And so again, the question of university, the question that you brought up at the beginning about how ambitious should I be? Well, some people are machines and you want them to. Some Leonardo da Vinci's. The advice for Leonardo da Vinci, that is best for him and society would not be, oh, you need to spend more time twiddling your thumbs and getting in touch with yourself. No, you were built to create ideas and come up with innovation. Stephen Hawking, man. Sure, you need to spend time with your family. And he does. Believe it or not, Stephen Hawking has kids and wife. But Stephen Hawking is a man built to innovate and see things that you and I don't have the aptitude for. So that's why I said, you know yourself as my third mentor. A guy named Mike from Ireland told me, he said, ty, it's horses for courses, meaning you got to put the right racehorse on the appropriate race course. So that's why I said the real answer for you. And I know I've gone long and naming all these things, but you're going to have to use the next month, maybe till we talk to just hone in more and more. It's like. And you're very in touch with yourself, knowing yourself kind of person, especially physically, with all the training and things that you do there. But take it further, take the sculpture and refine the sculpture even more down. And you start with knowing yourself more. Take some of those tests again. What's wrong? If somebody came to me and said, okay, I've got 50,000 good hours in my life, which is probably what you have in your prime. Maybe more, depending on how healthy you are. Okay, 50,000 hours, I would say, well, put 100 of those into knowing your own strengths and weaknesses. That would sound reasonable. Out of 50,000, put 100 into investigation of yourself before you proceed. But yet myself, you, the world we live in, people haven't spent more. They go to their grave not having spent more than two or three hours taking tests, aptitude tests, personality tests, interacting with people who know how to read. It's a tragedy, man.

Yeah, that's really interesting. So the Myers Briggs is the one that you recommend kind of starting with and then start there. You're also developing this other one, this pace.

Yes, I have that. Yep. And just keep going. Just Google and go beyond just personality tests, do career tests, do love tests. There's, you know that book, the Five Love Languages? It's kind of a cheesy sounding book, but that's another form. Now, one thing people get off this is back to the medieval black and white mind. They go, well, Ty, I don't believe in the Meyer Brigg. Well, first of all, who cares what people believe? What if I believe the world's flat? Doesn't make it flat. People are too in love with their beliefs. I'm like, experiment, try, go out there. What's the downside if you take the Myers Briggs test or if you take the Five Love Languages test, if you take, there's a new one, it's called strength finder. It's a lot of new scientists putting in. You take those tests. Who cares if you don't. If the results seem to be stupid, then just dump it out of your mind and move on to more. The end of the day, though, and like you show people with your body, take tests, swab your. You were going through with me, you mentor me and telling me the test that I should take, whether it be lactose intolerance test, whether it be the saliva swab stuff or the stool sample, all those different parasite, all that stuff, that's more testing. And the more you know about yourself, the more clearly you move forward.

Yeah. And it's really interesting how we get a lot of people who are into self quantification and I was actually just down there in your neck of the woods at the biohacking conference. So it's all fresh in my mind, right. All the different apps and self quantification wearables that we have available to us. Yet I think that a lot of the type of people that listening to my podcast, at least I know, and a lot of them are these self quantification biohacker types. I don't think a lot of them, and I know I'm not personally are doing many of these tests to find out more about just themselves and their personality as much as their skin temp, heart rate variability, perspiration, etc. So that's interesting. And I've never really, you know, I've taken the Myers Briggs, but I haven't gotten too carried away or infatuated with personality tests. So I think maybe just based on your recommendation I might go in and take it again just to refresh myself. I've got it pulled up on my computer now anyways, just so I can put the link in the show. Notes for folks. So Myers Briggs. And then for the PACE test that Ty is talking about, if you're listening in, I'm sure that Ty can shoot me over to link to that and I'll put it in there for you guys too. Ty, we're kind of.

And also don't forget, so try to do all four pillars. So for you and the health, you're teaching on health, you have your set of tests. So for wealth you can do the Meyer Briggs. There's also something called Strength Finder. I'm not sure. I'll try to find the links. It's a book and a series of books by a lot of psychologists and some guys in MBA programs, some of the top guys. So look at that one because that's a test about your career and wealth. And there's also a component of Meyer Briggs that helps you with that. So Meyer Briggs is kind of an overarching one, but take a specific one for your career aptitude because you may not have to quit your career, but you might make a small adjustment based on the findings that you get. Thirdly, when it comes to love, a good simple one is take that, read that book. And I'm not sure if it's an exact test, but read the one, the five Love languages. That one's great at showing you why a lot of people who are married or dating or not dating have issues because they're speaking. There's five leveling. I can't remember all of them, but there's gifts, time, acts of service, touch, and words of affection. I think that's all five. By finding out what you are and what the person you're dating is, you can move forward and perfect the sculpture. It's not a lottery. Life's not a lottery ticket. Most people are waiting for the lottery. Oh, magically, I'll meet the love of my life. Magically, I'll come up with one business idea that makes me the next Mark Zuckerberg. Magically, I'll find one diet and in seven days I am in shape. No, all of that. And same with happiness. Oh, magically, I'll just come to a place where all of life is good and I'm happy. It's all a bunch of bunk. It's the refinement of the sculpture. And then it's not one moment, it's not one lottery ticket you scratch off. And now I'm perfectly healthy. You've been doing this health thing for a decade plus and it's the same thing. You do that with your career and you get a sculpture. And then the last one on happiness, you find. And that's where the Meyer Brigg one is pretty good. And there's some other ones where you can find that happiness kind of test. In the 67 steps, I give you that book, Peter Drucker's book, Managing Oneself, a very short book. And he talks about knowing yourself, too, and he has some tests in there. So what I'm basically saying, Ben, for you and anyone listening, and definitely for myself preaching to myself, continually take every test that you can bump into. Dr. David Buss, the famous evolutionary psychologist and my friend, he told me once he got his PhD in these type of tests and he developed his own. He said he can tell in four minutes of sitting in a room with a couple if they're going to get divorced or not. So he says I could have helped them either not get married to start with or adjust their personality. So become a test. Hungry person, aptitude test, health body test. The more the merrier. Some of them will be not very valid for you. Just cast them off and keep going, taking more. The concept is. Right.

Cool. Well, folks, if you're listening in, last time that Ty came on the show, he actually recommended several books. And I gave a challenge to those of you listening in to read each of the books that he talked about in that show. And it was the Shallows what the Internet is doing to our brains, inheritance, how our genes change our lives. And the one thing the surprising and simple truth behind extraordinary results. And I told you that if you shot a photo of you holding all three of those books hard copy formats in your hands and you sent that photo to me on Facebook or Twitter, I'd send you a signed copy of my book. I'll do the same just to just to drive those of you listening to action. I'll do the same this time around because I sent out a lot of books in the last podcast. But if you read the Snowball Warren Buffett and the Business of Life, if you read a few lessons for investors and managers from Warren Buffett and if you read the Five Love Languages and we'll say that if you wanted to, you could even throw one of Joel Salatin's books in there as well and do that.

One of those Strength Finder books. There's like Strength Finder 2.0 in any.

One of those books, a book by Joel Salatin, the five Love Languages Strength Finder. I'll put them all in the show notes to make this easy for you guys. Just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com TY2 anyways, upload a photo to my Facebook page or tweet me a photo of you holding each of those books and this will just be a trust relationship between Ty and I and you guys listening in that you actually read the books and you're not just holding them at the lobby of the library. Then I'll send you a signed copy of Beyond Training. So do that. And also be sure to check out Ty's online video series, the 67 Steps to Getting anything you want out of life, Health, wealth, love and happiness. And I'll put a link to that in the show notes over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Tai2 also, that's T A I the number two. So you can also leave your comments below the show notes for this post if you have your own thoughts about how to strike the ideal balance between being over ambitious and under ambitious and how to know when you're actually making enough money and also focusing enough on life, love and happiness. So head over there to the Show Notes if you want to get in on that discussion. So Ty, any last words? Sounds like you're on death row.

And.

Anything else you have to say for this podcast?

I would say the takeaway that I'm going to work on the next month, hopefully you and other people were let's go the next time we talk 30 days from now or whenever it is. Let's have some insight. I'm going to try to have new insight on myself, things that I learned from aptitude tests, books, things, whether it be on health, wealth, love and happiness. Maybe let's focus on some. Since the question of the call today was about business ambition, let's maybe get some insight from that book. Strength Finder on our career, Are we, Stephen Hawking, Are we Bezos here to get massive things done or are we here to strike a nice balance where we're financially independent? I think we can get some insight just from some of this career testing, aptitude looking inward kind of thing.

All right, sweet. Well, I'm adding that now to my task list for the next 30 days is I'm, I'm ordering that book now off Amazon and I'll have that test done by the next time we talk and hopefully we'll have some more information for our listeners.

And I think there's a 2.1 version. There's a newer one. Yeah, look for the Strength finder, I think both of them.

So whatever, the newest Strength Finder book is on Amazon.

Yep.

Okay, cool. I'll hunt it down and put a link for everybody listening in. All right.

Well, cool.

Thanks, Ty.

Thank you, Ben. Always great talking to you, man.

All right, folks, this is Ben Greenfield and Tai Lopez Signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com TY2 thanks for listening.

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