Podcast Episode #28: What’s the Deal With Dairy?

Podcast episode number 28 from BenGreenfieldFitness.com welcome to the BenGreenfieldFitness.com podcast. My name is Ben Greenfield and I'm a certified personal trainer, nutritionist and exercise physiologist. Each week I'll be bringing you cutting edge fitness, diet and wellness content to help you reach your goals. So whether you're an Ironman triathlete or you're just trying to shed a few pounds, grab that MP3 player, put on your exercise gear and listen in to this week's podcast. Hey podcast listeners, this is Ben Greenfield and we're right in the middle of the holiday season, so I'm full of good cheer and I'm gonna start off today's podcast with some discount codes before I get on to our interview that's all about the dangers of dairy with Paul Eastwood. And he's full of good information and he has a great accent. So you're gonna want to stick around for that interview. 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I've written those training plans with that in mind and you can automatically get $20 off either of those training plans by using the discount code bgf. I'll also put a link to those in the Show Notes. Now, I know that everybody that listens to this podcast is not a triathlete, but I'm going to give out one more Triathlon discount code. If you live in the Northwest and you're a triathlete and you're familiar with the Triathlon Northwest race series, that's@trinw.com I am offering a training plan to get you ready for any of those races and you can view those at the link that I'll put in the Show Notes. But the discount code to get those if your Triathlon Northwest member is available to you by simply contacting Triathlon Northwest. And it'll get you $20 off any training plan for Blue Lake, Pacific Crest, Black Diamond. So if you're in the Northwest, the Pacific Northwest, I've got training plans for a lot of those races that are available to you. Okay, I know this is a really long intro, but I'm not done yet because the best question this week that means in the space between December 29 and January 6, the best listener question that I receive either in my email box BenGreenfieldFitness.com or in a comment on the blog, I'm going to give away a free Premium subscription to TrainingPeaks. Now if you're not familiar with TrainingPeaks, it is the online training software that I use to coach all the athletes that I train as well as some of the clients that I work with for personal training. And you can read more about that@trainingpeaks.com I'll put a link to that in the Show Notes, but that is a $50 value for a three month subscription to TrainingPeaks. And basically it's something that you can use to plan out your training year, to write out workout calendars, have access to detailed daily workouts, exercise photos and videos. And that is all going to be free. I'm literally going to give you a code that you can go type in on the website and bam, you're in. All you have to do is ask the best question this week and I will feature it on the podcast, keeping you completely anonymous, of course, but you will be awarded that free subscription. And I'm not done with the intro yet, but because I know I've been droning on, I'm going to take a break from the intro because I do have a couple more announcements. I'm going to go straight on to this, this week's Listener Q and A, and then I'm going to come back, finish up the announcements, and take you on to the dairy interview. Listener Q and A. This week's listener Q and A is from Allison, and Allison says, I've heard you talk about probiotics, but what about prebiotics? What are they and where can I get them? Okay, in podcast episode number 16, I talked all about probiotics, the good bacteria that you can actually take in supplemental form to not only enhance your ability to digest foods, but also to support your immune system and your overall health and wellness. I take probiotics every day. I'm a huge fan of them. They're not just something that you'd want to take, you know, say, if you're on an antibiotic regimen or if you're sick, you can actually take them every day for digestive support. I personally take them because I have a little bit of a problem digesting gluten. I have a little bit of problem with some celiac function. And so basically, I take a probiotic just to keep my digestive system in tune. If you've got a perfect gut, you might be able to get away with not taking them, but most people need to get some good bacteria in their diet to balance out all the bad bacteria that you're getting right now in your food supply. Regardless, though, that's a probiotic. And this question was about a prebiotic. Well, basically, you can take certain things that make probiotics work better. Basically, a prebiotic is kind of a long chain of sugar molecules called an oligosaccharide or saccharide, as well as something called inulin, which is not to be confused with insulin, the hormone. Inulin is just a soluble fiber that you can find in grains, fruits, or vegetables. Prebiotics also have something called a phenol in them, which is an antioxidant rich compound that we find in plant foods anyways. So the idea is that you can take some foods that contain prebiotics if you're taking probiotics already, and the prebiotics will help the probiotics work more actively. They basically feed the good bacteria, not the bad bacteria. A few examples of these would be asparagus, bananas, barley, oats, beans, onions, berries, peas, cherries, red wine, dark chocolate. I like that one. Soybeans, eggplant, garlic, rye, most fresh herbs, and whole wheat. Now, I know that there are many other considerations to some of the foods that I just mentioned, other than the fact that they're prebiotics, but whenever I get advice like that that says, oh.

This food is good for you, or.

This compound is something that you should be taking, what I do is just make sure that that food appears on my grocery shopping list. I don't necessarily write out a meal plan that says that I have to consume that food every single day. I just make sure it ends up in the house. You know, for example, almonds are full of all sorts of valuable compounds for our bodies, But I don't have a meal plan hanging on my refrigerator that says, have a handful of almonds every day. I just make sure that that's something that I buy when I go to the grocery store, and when I run out, I buy more. So don't take a laundry list of things like that and think, oh, crap, how am I going to get that all into my meal plan? You just make sure that some of those things appear on your grocery shopping list, and that way it becomes a part of your lifestyle and not something that ties you down and basically almost makes you jump ship on your nutrition plan. If you're not able to fulfill it, which I see a lot of people do, they just make their meal plans too hard, too strict, too regimented, and then they're not able to keep it up. So just make sure that you stock your cupboards and your refrigerator with good foods, like some of those that I listed, as well as many others that I've talked about in the past. And that'll really put you in good shape for a proper nutrition plan. So, great question, Allison. And we're going to move on to finish the announcement for this week. Okay. I've got three final announcements that I'm going to list in chronological order. The first is very important because you have an opportunity for me to be your personal nutritionist and personal Fitness Trainer for 2009 to help you achieve your goals. I've mentioned this in the past couple of podcasts. And this offer expires at midnight on December 31st. It's 1:49 for a month. And basically what you get out of that is complete unlimited access. 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Basically, I'm going to be going over some very pointed, very specific techniques that you can use for fat loss that involve way, way more than just going on a diet. So I know that in the announcements today I went over a ton of material and I know that even though all the listeners to this show are brilliant rocket scientists with photographic memory, I'm going to put a link to all that stuff up in the show Notes for podcast episode 28@BenGreenfieldFitness.com so you can go check all that out. And if you haven't yet, be sure to subscribe to the newsletter on the website because I send you weekly updates, videos, photos. We're doing kind of a fun thing in the newsletter right now where we're tracking one of the clients that I'm training and putting out photos and videos and audio testimonials and things like that with her. And as a matter of fact, we just put out a half hour nutrition consultation so you can kind of hear what it's like when people are talking on the phone with me when I'm consulting with them. So you can see if that's something that is up your alley. So we're going to move on to this week's interview with Paul Eastwood. Paul wrote a fantastic article that I read in a personal training magazine about dairy. And the article was very stimulating and inspired me to get Paul on the show to talk about a little bit of what he presented that article.

Hey podcast listeners, this is Ben Greenfield, and as promised, I have someone here to actually talk about dairy. And one of the questions that we actually had in listener Q and A in a previous podcast was what some alternatives to dairy were. And the listener was asking about rice milk and almond milk and soy milk. Well, I thought instead of just answering that question that it would be helpful to step back and take a look at dairy, whether or not. It's something we should actually be worrying about and what some of the considerations that we should have should be when we're talking about dairy. I have a gentleman named Paul Eastwood on the phone today and I want Paul to tell us a little bit about himself. But first of all, Paul, welcome and thanks for coming on the show.

Thank you very much for having me, Ben. I'm glad to be here. I'd like to give you and your listeners some good advice and some things to take home with them and definitely help them with their future training program and recovery from exercise and health. More importantly, I'd be very happy to answer every question.

I'm just going to go pour myself a nice tall glass of milk and then I'll. What I'd like to do is actually give me a little bit of your background. How did you become involved in the health, the fitness and the nutrition industry?

Well, I started out a long time ago as a tennis coach and I soon realized that no matter how good a coach I was, it was not all about the skills that I was teaching Michael Barnes and pupils. It was a lot more about the fitness and health of these particular people. So I went to university and I was very fortunate to study under Professor Bruce Davis who is the ex director of the British Olympic Medical center. And he's a massive advocate of health and fitness because his specialty is coronary heart disease and obviously looking at all the risk factors there, it encompasses health and fitness. So his first degree students, which I was fortunate to be one of, were highly educated because he wanted his reputation as the ex director to be imbued, if you like, into his first lot of students. So it really gave me a real taste for how important health and fitness is because I don't know how keen some of your students are, but it doesn't take you long to be in this field that when you realize if it's not healthy, then your fitness will only go so far. If there is a lack of health in the body, the fitness will only take you so far because you need certain things or the body to be a certain way or to act a certain way or to recover in a certain way. And that really does obviously point heavily towards what kind of nutrition you intake.

Absolutely. And if I can interject, that returns to something that I mentioned. I had a recent interview over on the website everymantry.com and I knew that I was talking to a lot of endurance athletes and that's one of the things I said was one of the biggest mistakes that you can make is to eat as much as you want or anything that you can and then.

Exercise.

As much as you can to fight that. That's one of the biggest mistakes you can make. So sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.

No, that's right. That's a bit like trying to run a marathon on your hands instead of using being educated and training smart, just training hard. Because not all food is created equal, unfortunately. So just like there's quite a lot of equipment and training methods in a gym or in a studio. Just like there is a group of foods that we need to look at, there isn't one food that hasn't anything in it. That's why it's all about education, really. I just read a lot and I research a lot. I like to write articles and I've looked at the Czech teachings, I've looked at NASM and acsm and I always just constantly look to keep my knowledge up and try and identify myself as a somewhat strong in the industry, but more so to just pass on the best knowledge. I'm sure you're the same, Ben. You obviously have a tremendous passion for your listeners and your students because you're just passing on great knowledge. I'm very happy to be here for that. And I don't think you can. If you've got somebody that you know who has that passion, then you're always going to have the best advice and you can just do. What we're doing today is look at it all, review it and take some of the gems and also the weaknesses and decide for yourself what you're going to do with it.

Absolutely. Well, let's cut to the chase. I've got this big glass of milk that I'm drinking. Is that a good thing? Paul, should I be drinking this?

No, no, you shouldn't. Ben, please don't drink that. Well, you see, we have lactose intolerance to consider. We have the pasteurization process to consider and we now have the fact we know what estrogen and IGF1, which I'm sorry to do that there are two hormones which really not very good for human consumption at all. To have milk is in today's standards, it isn't really something we need to drink. I think a long time ago it had a really good benefit to society. But these days we can just get everything that milk got much better source.

Why do you think that milk used to be good?

Milk used to be good because in the 1940s, late 1930s, there was a big case of rickets, especially in poorer cities where There was not a lot of natural sunlight to cure that. Scientists knew at that time that vitamin D or vitamin D was obviously very important. So they needed to come up with foods that were high in vitamin D. Milk was accidentally stumbled upon because if they exposed it to an ultraviolet wavelength, it converted estradiol, a hormone, into vitamin D. Fortunately, that broke down the hormones that I described earlier and made milk very safe, or a lot safer than it is today.

The hormones that you described earlier, you mean specifically estrogen, which I believe you pronounce estrogen. Oh, you do soout here in Washington and Idaho we pronounce it estrogen. And the other one that you said was IGF1. And for our listeners, IGF1 stands for insulin. Insulin like growth factor one. And both of those hormones are broken down by this point process where they exposed milk to ultraviolet light.

Yes, that's right. That is correct. And unfortunately, with today's new technology, it's actually a lot cheaper to synthetically add vitamin D to milk. And unfortunately they don't treat milk anymore with sunlight or ultraviolet. These hormones pass into the body undetected and they work in a very good duo. One shuts down your ability to identify cancerous or natural mutations. And estrogen increases the natural occurrence of mutations. They're definitely deadly. It's something we really don't need to have. It's only for young calves and young babies. In fact, cow's milk is exactly the same as mother's milk. And it really only designed for people who don't have an endocrine system or hormone glands that need this type of fluid substance to develop them. Once we've got our own system in place, it's something we don't really need.

So let me get this straight. The estrogen and the igf, these compounds in milk are no longer broken down the way that milk is made today. And when they're floating around in people's bodies, they can increase people's risk of cancer.

Yes, yes. Namely prostate cancer and hormone sensitive breast tissue cancer in women. Because if you think about, and this is why you're so good, the advice you gave to those endurance athletes, if people think about their body as a painting and if you get black ink and you throw that at your painting, even if you try and wipe the black ink off because you realize that it's not going to mix well, it's too late. Anything you put in your mouth has to combine with your body. You're organic, it's not just going to go through and pass out. You put something into A body that's designed to absorb that and use it in some way. Unfortunately, these hormones travel to certain receptor sites in the body and the particular gene sites that they attach to are in prostate and breast tissue. There are other sites, but these are the ones where these receptors are the highest.

What about if you're trying to lose weight, what happens to or what effect can those hormones have then?

Actually, do you know what? I think this is a terrible thing to have if you're trying to lose weight. IGF1 is a growth factor, you said that. And that doesn't take a lot of knowledge to realize that that's something that's not really going to help you lose any weight. It increases your ability to put on lean tissue. So if you're obviously whey protein powders, for example, are very popular and we see milk adverts these days with athletes that are of a strength type nature. So this is the bomb. They are better for strength athletes anyway. As a weight loss substance, it's something that's not really going to do you any good. And estrogen, gosh, then the only thing you'll find estrogen linked to is fat in the research journal. So I don't think that's going to help you lose any weight either.

Well, what about raw milk? Does it have the same type of hormones in it that people should be concerned about?

Actually it does. It's better than store bought milk because it's not pasteurized, which is a whole other discussion really, but it's difficult to get hold of. And you get all linked up into all kinds of FDA battles and rules and things because in some states it's actually illegal to have raw milk just because of the lack of knowledge. A long time ago, Louis Pasteur decided that pasteurization would be safe to kill a certain amount of bacteria in any given product. And unless those standards still apply today, and unless they're met, then it's actually considered illegal. And there are very few states that actually have that ability to sell raw products.

So raw milk is technically, it's a little bit better for you, but it's still got some of those estrogens and IGF or all of them. Okay, well what about alternatives, Paul? I mean, obviously I would say the top three that I always hear about would be soy milk, almond milk or rice milk. What do you feel about those in terms of their efficacy as alternatives to dairy products? For people who like dairy products?

Pretty good. Pretty good. Rice milk and almond milk are excellent. Soy milk, it's better than milk. Cow's milk. It's still a little dodgy because it does have what they do when they make soy milk. They put the whole soybean in there. And the actual outer layer of a soybean is very toxic and sort of poisonous to humans. It's there only to prevent insects from eating it when it's obviously growing. And just like banana skin. We can't eat banana skin, so we wouldn't want to put that into our bodies if we bought something where they just crushed up the whole banana and the skin and diluted it. Soy milk isn't great. Soybeans are fantastic. But almond milk and rice milk are great alternatives. They're very safe. They don't quite have the same amount of protein in there. They're great sources of calcium. They're still low gi more almond milk than rice milk. But no, they're very safe. Very safe. And you can mix your cereals and your protein powders and you can put them in your cereals and things and you'll be fine.

So the almond milk, the soy milk, the rice milk, if you could classify those in terms of which you would like, your clients who would be trying to lose weight or trying to choose the healthiest product, which one would you recommend as the top choice?

I would go with rice milk, almond milk, and then soy milk just very quickly. The reason why I did that is almond milk is an omega 6 fatty acid, which is an essential one. But omega 6s, I don't know if you know, are actually inflammatory. And we have way too many Omega 6s. So without going off topic, I won't. So if I. If you have that high in omega 3s, then almond milk is great. But we really do hit our bodies with a lot of Omega 6. And as people that train and work out, we get enough inflammation from our workouts. We don't really need to be taking in too many foods that also cause inflammation. Rice milk gets the winner for them.

Well, obviously the dairy industry could refer to animals other than cows. And the animal that particularly comes to mind for me is goat, because there are, I know, goat whey protein products on the market and goat milk on the market. What about milk from animals other than cows?

Unfortunately, they're still going to have those hormones in which do the most damage. And if people haven't heard about that yet, it's just because Ben Greenfield is obviously half the mark and knows his stuff. This is. This is just coming out now, and I will give you guys some reading materials to look at at the end. But unfortunately, every animal that produces milk is producing it for a young baby or calf or it's young and will always have those poisonous hormones in there. The only good thing about goat's milk is that it's pretty much lactose free. It's very low in lactose because of the way that a goat's stomach and digestive system was.

So you refer to those as poisonous hormones. I guess the way that I think about it is they're natural, but adults basically would have a deleterious or a bad reaction to consuming something that was designed for a baby to grow with. Is that what you're. What you're basically saying?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes, that is correct.

Because I don't want to give people the impression that, for instance, a child to be drinking even something like breast milk would be poisonous. But what you're saying is that these compounds that were designed for people to grow shouldn't necessarily be given to people who are trying not to grow fat or not to grow cancer cells, right?

Yes, correct. As I said, always go back to that painting example. Anything you throw at the painting or put in your mouth has to combine with you. And if you don't need will do you some harm. It will have an adverse effect. You can't take in IGF1 and estrogen and not expect it to just go away. It will actually combine with you at some point at some site. And the research now tells us that this is what it does. Estrogen causes cancerous mutations and IGF1 suppresses your killer cell ability to detect these cancerous mutations. So you shut down your ability to protect yourself from cancer. It's just paramount that you really do look at ways to reduce your dairy intake.

Here's a question that I get a lot from, especially women that I help lose weight. They get concerned about osteoporosis if they cut dairy products out of their diet. What would you say to a concern like that?

Right. Well, there are many alternatives to calcium. We often tricked into thinking that milk is pretty high on the chart if you look at how much calcium you get from that source. But we can get it, it's nowhere near the highest. If you look at cooked green collards, for example, or spinach. Green leafy vegetables are very high in calcium and they obviously absorb calcium through the soil. So we couldn't just think of calcium when it comes to milk. Calcium is a, is a mineral and it's obviously in the soil in vast quantities. So certain plants actually absorb more of that than others. And it tends to be the green leafy ones. But even a can of salmon actually has a tremendous amount of salmon in there. I'm sorry, calcium in there. You don't have to look too far and it's easy to google calcium or look at my article on teacher on the net or talk to yourself. There's many things, even calcium tablets these days. Obviously keeping up your vitamin D would be helpful because it enhances your calcium absorption. But no, there's much, much safer alternative. Now I think, I hope to see the vitamin D and the calcium type, what's the word kind of excitement towards milk will be dampened because it really isn't that high anymore. It isn't really such a valuable source. We have far more better alternatives which have higher amounts of nutrition in as well as the calcium as well.

Gotcha. Now let's talk about the glycemic index. Dairy on a lot of these glycemic index charts is listed as a low glycemic index food. And one of the ways that I help people lose weight is by helping them to choose low glycemic index foods. But is dairy truly a low glycemic index food? Because I've seen controversial statements about that.

Yes, yes and no. I think you have to be careful of anything that's low gi, that's fluid based because it just enters the body so quick, its absorption rate can be very high. And milk notoriously does come up pretty low on some journals or on some websites. I don't think it is too much. One of the reasons why people mix it with a protein shake is because it actually delivers. It can help deliver sugar to the body reasonably quickly. Otherwise you just use water instead. If you look at soy milk and almond milk and rice milk to a slightly lesser extent, these are all low GI alternatives. So without debating whether it is or not, I think I've given my opinion. You don't have to worry about what the alternatives are.

Okay, now in terms of books, sources, I know there's a lot of information out there about dairy. What would your recommendation be to the audience in terms of websites or books that you'd recommend they use as a resource to find out more on this topic.

For the people who really want to know the most current information and and don't mind a book that gets quite technical at times? I would have to say the Deadly Dairy Deception book that's just come out. It has tremendous references in every chapter as well as a chapter kind of review. It's written by a great doctor who I've had the pleasure of meeting a couple of times. Dr. Robert Bibb and that's a great book. 2008, he just been published. So that's as current as it's going to get. And that's the only reference I could really find. Had strong references for the cancerous links unless you go to the journals themselves. So that was good that there's finally a book out that's actually bringing that to everyone's attention. There are a couple of other books though that go into the more dynamics of the pasteurization and lactose intolerance and. And also that milk isn't really as relevant today as it was say 60 years ago. There's a book, Richard Aorsky wrote a book called Don't Drink youk Milk that's quite a good one. Again. It's a nice health type perspective and actually Paul Check wrote a book Eat, Move and Be Healthy and and does go into detail about dairy and the Curse of Louis Pasteur, another good book. He mentions that in very nice, easy to read format. Go over some of the downsides of dairy, not just milk but other things that we probably haven't had a chance to discuss today. But certainly how bad it is for your health in response to what pasteurization involves exactly. And what lactose intolerance means and what it can actually do to your body, especially when it comes to things like your abs and leaky gut syndrome and things that we don't tolerate very well. What can happen to us as a result. I think those are really good. Nancy Applegate wrote the Curse of Louis Pasteur by the way and those are really good sources to look at. Just wanted to find out a little bit more about what milk can do and is doing right now.

Fantastic. I'll put a link to these in the show notes. And how about you Paul, where are you located out of.

Yes, I'm actually just getting ready to move to LA and work for Equinox in Westwood. I have some clients that were here in North Carolina that are just moving to that part of the world. I've been in London obviously for the last seven years and I've managed to rack up a couple of high profile people which would like to keep a hold of my services for once. I'm moving with them which is very exciting. I do want to work in this particular part of the world as it's such a health and fitness driven nation. I'd like to work with a lot more people there. I think people are a little bit more open minded onto what is good and bad. I'm Always trying to be on the edge. So I think it would be an environment would be really good for me. If anybody ever wants to ask any questions, they can just get hold of me on my email. I know today we rushed through a lot of things and if you do want to ever come and speak to me, you can get hold of me@paullifefitotmail.com.

That'S the words Paul life and fitotmail.com.

Yep.

Okay, fantastic. I'll put a link to that as well in the show notes. And as well, I'll also link up to the deadly dairy deception. Don't drink your milk. Eat, live and be healthy. Well, it sounds like you have quite a bit on your plate, Paul. Getting ready to move from North Carolina to la. So I'll let you go. But I want to thank you for coming on the show and would look forward to perhaps having you on as a guest again sometime in the future.

Absolutely. No, I'm really pleased to do that. It's nice to meet people who are in the industry and not so selfish and really do want to share the knowledge and just do the best job we can. I think you can't ask any more than that. I really appreciate the opportunity to come here and speak to you. I'd love to come back.

Thanks, Paul. Have a great day.

Will do. Thank you very much.

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