Q&A 390: Is Nicotine Healthy, How Long Does Stem Cell Therapy Last, A New Way To Fast & Much More!

In this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast. Is nicotine healthy? How long does stem cell therapy last? A new way to fast, zero gravity beds, and much more.

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Hey, Ben, I. Do you smell something weird? I smell something strange.

Is that.

It kind of smells like liver. Is that possible?

Liver?

Not.

Not pate, and hopefully not fatty liver. But as you and I were just chatting before we hit record, I am indeed doing a liver cleanse this week.

Ah, it smells like delight. Clean liver.

Yeah. I'm venturing down into the the den of satanic hedonism this weekend in Vegas to watch UFC. UFC 229 is coming up.

I thought you were going to that island that's called Hedonism, where everybody basically, I think it's just like a orgy sort of island.

I think there are. There are multiple places like that. I'm sure a whole bunch of single listeners ears just perked up. Including Montego Bay, Jamaica. I think that it's like a couple's resort. Isn't that how some of those resorts work? Like Sandals Resort in Jamaica? I think it's just one giant swingers compound.

I think so, yeah, that's sounds about right.

I don't know about this hedonism island that you allude to, but as a happily married man of 15 years, I'll probably not visit that place anytime soon.

Oh, I didn't allude to it. I came right out and said it.

Yeah. I don't know how we got into that from liver, but yes.

You said you're going to Vegas.

That's right. I'm going to Vegas to see UFC 229.

I have some seats, of course, because her show is shutting down.

So right next to the cage, I've got seats. I don't think I'm going to go out of my way to go see Celine Dion, but my wife and I are going to go watch guys beat each other up. The thing I'm doing though, this week is I'm cleansing my liver, though. I'm doing a liver cleanse. I Just finished competing in Spartan World Championships, where. Where I won the title of the World's Fittest CEO. Assuming you judge the world's Fittest CEO by how well they crawl under barbed wire and sure, carry. Carry a sandbag.

I do. How else would you.

Yeah, and I figure I got a few days to. To sit on my ass, or at least a few days to where I don't need to work out super duper hard. So what I'm doing is just this very passive cleanse, and I'm actually liking it quite a bit. I just finished breakfast and for breakfast, and actually also for the majority of my meals, for lunch and dinner, too, I've been eating Kachari and drinking celery juice. Like, those are the kind of the two main components of the cleanse. Aside from not eating red meat, not drinking alcohol, not consuming caffeine. Aside from the caffeine. I'm shooting up my butt every morning as part of the cleanse, which I guess makes it a little bit more than a simple cleanse, since I am doing a coffee enema every morning. I'm drinking Epsom salts at night, which tastes like ass.

Like seawater.

No, Way worse than seawater. Way worse. Yes. Yeah, like seawater. But I'm mixing it with Acacia fiber. So basically what this means is I wake up every morning feeling as though I've been clinching my ass while laying in bed for the past eight hours. Yeah. So, anyways, I'm going to test my liver enzymes. I published. I don't know if you listened to my last PODC podcast, my solo episode.

I sure did.

What are we going to call those now? The solo solo. Yeah. So I'm a little bit concerned about my liver enzymes. So decided, what the heck? I'm gonna try this liver cleanse, which is. I know it was bouncing all over the place, but let me spell this out for Bring it home.

Bring it home.

Kachari. Kachari. And I'll tell you what that is in a moment. For most of my meals, celery juice, which is a fantastic liver cleanse. It just involves me juicing about five stalks of celery at the same time. I'm heating up my kachari to eat, so that. So that's really simple.

So, like, a shot of celery. That doesn't sound like it would make much juice.

No, it comes out to about maybe 8 to 12 ounces or so. Really, by the time I've juiced it all. And I mix that. I mix that with malolactic powder. Because part of this cleanse is supposed to involve drinking copious amounts of apple cider. But I don't like apple cider and I didn't want all that sugar and so I am using malolactic instead, which is just a powder that you get off Amazon. It tastes like apple cider, but it actually does a pretty good job at enhancing several phases of the liver detoxification pathways.

Wait, just to clarify, not apple cider vinegar and not fermented apple cider that would get you drunk, but like just, just juiced cider?

Just juiced apples? Yes.

That does seem like a lot of sugar.

Yeah, it's part of a detoxification protocol developed in, in Europe and in Switzerland, actually, by one of the fellows who puts on the. Or developed a lot of the protocols that will be following when I take a whole bunch of people over to Switzerland next year. I'll put links to that in the show notes. By the way, if anybody still wants to get in, I think there's a wait list, but it's at BenGreenfieldFitness.com390 where we'll spend like two weeks up in the Swiss Alps hiking and detoxing. But anyway, so. So there's the, the malolactic powder that I mix in with the celery juice, drink that eat the Kachari, do a coffee enema every morning, do the Epsom salts with the fiber source, which can be psyllium husk, it can be acacia, it could be triphala, just anything that kind of gets the bowels moving the next morning. And that's really it. Aside from just omitting anything that would be considered slightly acidic or something that would require more processing by the liver, such as, of course, alcohol, you know, anything like, I mean, Tylenol or something. Right. All those marijuana edibles that I eat entire chocolate bars of every night, all of that is out the window. So it's about a six day liver cleanse and the last day involves a few other little protocols, basically just like a longer fast and more of the Epsom salts. And I know we're really geeking out here, but a castor oil pack placed on the gallbladder and liver area and then you finish up and then I'll hop on the plane to Vegas and.

Go do feed your liver right back up with toxins.

Fantastic things I've done to my liver.

So, Kachari, one more question. Oh, yeah. Before you get to the guitar. So this isn't one of those cleanses that you just basically are increasing the Amount of waste that you're pooping out. This is like, like on a different kind of level, right?

Yeah, it's a different kind of level. It's really weird. I was laying in bed last night and I could feel my liver. This sounds really odd, but it was almost like it was twitching, like contracting. It's very odd.

I don't think it has those kind of muscle fibers.

Well, it could have been my gallbladder in terms of, it's, it's, you know, the liver produces gallbladder or the liver produces bile and the gallbladder stores the bile. So my gallb have just been churning out bile. I don't know. Something is happening down there on my upper right quadrant, however, can tell you that. So Kachari, Kacharo, Kachari. It's essentially a one pot meal of split mung beans with a little bit of basmati rice. And then there are a whole bunch of different herbs that you put into that as it's, as it's simmering on the stove. And I literally made myself enough for the entire week, so I just had to do this once. But you mix things like cumin and fennel and coriander. Coriander, ginger, turmeric. I put some fenugreek in there, black mustard seeds. And then I used especially for the sulforaphane, which is actually really good for the liver and is enhanced by the presence of the mustard. I put kale and cauliflower and some cruciferous vegetables in there as well. You simmer all of this with a little bit of coconut oil and coconut cream. Right. So it's got a little bit of a creamy texture and I think that makes it far more palatable. And then you simply serve with, and this is how I've been doing it, a little bit of fresh lime and a little bit of coconut yogurt and some sea salt to taste. And that's it. It's actually pretty pleasant. I could get used to this. Like, I'm not sick of it after having eaten it already this week, like eight times.

Other than the coconut yogurt, that sounds very similar to a lot of the stuff that I ate when I was in Peru last year.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

I mean, very fancy beans and rice.

Yeah. The Peruvians must have fantastic livers. So. So, yeah. Anyways, if I, if I combust in a pile of explosive diarrhea during today's podcast episode or my liver turns gray and falls out, we know why.

And we know why.

News flashes.

News flashes.

That's pretty good news flashes. You know, I've thought in the past about how maybe it's a little bit gimmicky, how we have like the music and the radio announcer voice in between each of the little sections of our podcast, but at the same time it's kind of, kind of old schooly, like, you know.

Yeah, I feel like it's, we're like 1950s radio drama.

It breaks things up. Well, I think. And I don't know, I kind of like it. Yeah, it's like what era did you say? 50s?

Yeah, I said 50s. But it could even be 30s maybe.

Yeah. Yeah, 30.

Back to like War of the Worlds.

I don't know. I didn't listen to radio much in the 30s, but yeah, yeah, you missed out. It's, you know, I remember back in the day like all the podcasts used to have like garage band sounds. They all the same ones in them, almost like Creative Commons and they use the same music. And some podcasts like ours still kind of have like the little music interludes in the radio announcer voice. And maybe someday I'll get rid of it, but for now I think it's kind of fun.

It's fun.

Anyways, if it annoys you and you're listening in, just leave us a comment over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com 390 and then, and then of.

Course, go to hell because we don't care what you think.

Yeah, we, we may not fire our radio announcer. So anyways, this is the part of the show where we talk about interesting things that came across my plate this week and one I thought was going to just be a silly article, like a, you know, have you ever seen the Sit and be fit on, on public television? The fit workouts, which are probably also on YouTube. Just go to YouTube and do a search for sit and be fit if you want to be entertained by a ridiculous workout anyways, though. So this article is about how to sit in a chair properly and it has this very pleasant older woman who's, who's demonstrating via these wonderful animated gifs.

Pretty damn fit looking too. I'd listened to her.

She's a hot old lady. So anyways, Jean Couch, age 75, she's a Percher. She teaches people how to sit in chairs without back pain. And I thought some of her tips were really good. And we'll link to this if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com 390 but three of the more potent tips shared in that article, if I could describe it to Folks listening in who may not have time to go read the article. One is, when you sit in a chair, you want to sit on the edge, the chair which allows you to keep your pelvis from tucking under your spine and keeps your back from being in a C shape. So essentially what you want to do when you sit in a chair, you move yourself towards the edge of the chair so that you're as close as possible to having your knees below your hip sockets. So when you are leaning back on the chair, your knees are kind of like at or above the level of your hip sockets. And you want the level of the knees, you know, if you draw a horizontal plane from your hip sockets out to where your knees are to be just a little bit below the level of the hip sockets. And one of the best ways to do that is you simply, when you sit in the chair, kind of push yourself just a little bit more towards the edge of the chair. So pretty sell you the whole chair.

But you only need the edge.

Pretty much, yeah. We've made like half the chair useless with that tip. The next thing that she does is she recommends you build a perch. So this kind of remind me of a mother bird, you know, flitting through the forest and gathering sticks and leaves and branches. Oh, that's great sound effects. Brock. You do a very good. You do a very good mother bird. You also chew up your food and spit it into your girlfriend's mouth before she eats. That's gross. Sorry. So anyways, you perch and the way that you do this is you find a pillow or you could take like a blanket or a jacket or a shirt or a rolled up yoga mat or whatever. And. And when you're sitting towards the edge of the chair, you make yourself this wedge shaped pillow. What that allows you to do is it tilts your pelvis forward so you're just slightly elevated above the chair. So again, your hip bones aren't kind of falling back and resting towards the back of the chair, but that wedge is almost keeping you pushed towards the front of the chair just slightly. And most people have some kind of a coat or something that you can just roll up and put behind you. If you had a restaurant, you could probably just ask for a whole bunch of napkins and do it that way. But you build yourself this little bit of a perch that. I guess the best way to think about this is you put it just a little bit underneath the back part of your butt cheeks. It tilts your pelvis forward and it's a great idea. So I'VE actually been trying a lot of this stuff since reading the article. And most of it works. Your back feels far more comfortable. And then the last one is when you're like sitting in your car or you're sitting on an airplane or anywhere where you really are relegated to, you know, you can't sit towards the edge of the chair when you're in your car or else your boobs are going to be stuck in the steering wheel and your chin's going to be, you know, close to the dashboard.

You're steering with, with your chin.

Right. So what you do is you take your shirt or your jacket or your wedge or your yoga mat or whatever else happens to be in the car that you can use. Small child would probably work.

Yeah.

Or an animal. Yeah. A bird. You would actually put the cushion that you create right in the middle of your mid back or in the mid back, firm pillow, blanket, sweater, whatever. And then you elongate your spine by just kind of stretching your back over that pillow. And you've turned that painful, slouchy chair or car seat or airplane seat into a really comfortable support. But also you keep yourself from slouching. You keep your back from again turning into that notoriously damaging C shape that you don't want to have. And those are the three tips. Those are the three tips. Sit at the edge of the seat, build a perch, and then put some kind of a cushion behind your mid back when you're in like a car seat or an airplane seat.

I took away a fourth thing from her images. If you look at the way her legs are positioned, she doesn't. She has like them sort of out in front of her. So she's not increasing that flexion that's happening in, in your hip flexors. So she's actually like opening up a little bit by keeping her legs more or less straight. And one often straighter than the other too, which kind of mimics that way that we always talk about the Captain Morgan stance. When you're standing at your desk, you should have one foot up occasionally. It's sort of the same idea.

Yeah. And a bottle of rum in your hands.

And a bottle of rum.

So check out that article. And then another one that I like is this new study on express weight training. Have you heard about this? A new study that found you can build strength in just 13 minutes. So this was pretty interesting what it looked into. And this would not be a way to build copious amounts of athletic performance to allow you to go and, you know, Compete in the CrossFit Games for EX.

However, a bunch of muscle, like gain a bunch of muscle mass either.

Yeah.

This is only a way to build strength, which is great, but.

Yeah, right. Build strength, not hypertrophy. That's a good point. These folks weren't actually building muscle, but what they did in this study was they took a whole bunch of young men and they had one group complete five sets of each of the different exercises that they use. They use common exercises like the bench press and the lat pull down and the leg press. And a set of any of these exercises simply required the participants to lift to failure. And please note that they were lifting to failure. That's important. And One group did five sets of each exercise to failure with 90 seconds of rest between exercise. So at the gym for about 70 minutes. So pretty standard.

I think that's. That's the general way most people do it. Including me.

Yes. And then the second group was asked to complete three sets of each exercise, and for them, they were at the gym for about 40 minutes. But the final group, they only had them do one set of each exercise, and it took that group about 13 minutes. So they did this for a relatively long period of time. They did it for eight weeks, and they were working out for three times a week. And they did before and after measurements of muscular strength. They also measured muscle size and muscle endurance, neither of which seemed to be significantly affected. But. But after the two months of training, after these eight weeks of training, all of the groups were stronger, including the group that did just one set. And in fact, the group that did just one set gained as much strength as the group that did three sets, and even the group that did five sets. So the caveat is that the group that did five sets definitely had a significantly greater amount of muscle mass development, so they gained better size. But when it came to strength, it turns out that these brief forays in the gym can do just fine in terms of allowing you to maintain functional strength. I personally do this kind of a variation of this quite a bit when I travel. Probably the difference between me and the group in this study is that I'm in the gym a little bit longer, probably closer to, by the time I've warmed up and everything, 20 to 25 minutes. Because what I do is a single set to failure for five different exercises. The chest press, the pull down, the shoulder press, the seated row, and the leg press. But I do super slow training, which means that I'm doing any of those given exercises for about two to two and a half minutes. And furthermore, I finish off each set with a quick kind of partial range of motion series of explosive reps so that I completely exhaust the muscle. And, and this is important, I use my fast twitch muscle fibers, so I'm hitting those and not just the slower twitch fibers that you use during the super slow training. So that's kind of the variation that I use is a little bit more of a super slow approach. But I'm still doing just one single bleeding lactic acid out the eyeballs and ears set to failure, and then I'm done. And this study backs up the fact that that really does allow you to maintain strength, but also hack your life, so you've got more time available. So I think it's just, it's good for people to know that you don't have to spend that much time in the gym. Although I don't have. If your gym is your, like, getaway, if that's your meditation for the day, going to the gym for an hour and putting on an audiobook or the nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Ben Greenfield fitness podcast. Because this is definitely a podcast that's longer than 13 minutes. If that's your meditation, fine. But if you just want to get in and get out quickly, please know that a single set is all that it really takes.

Hey, let me ask you this. When you do your workout or when you would tell somebody to start this workout, how would you determine what weight to start with? Like, what would you load up the bar with, let's say, for a chest press single set?

You know what, my, my method is pretty rough around the edges, but the way that I do it is I do the first rep. And if I can't do the first rep with really good form, moving super slow, if I'm already arching my back, for example, on that first rep, then I reach down to the little pins on the weight stack and I decrease the weight by, by a, you know, a, A plate. Right. And some of those machines have the micro adjustment little knob that you can turn that'll decrease it 5 or 10 pounds. So I do a little bit of tweaking on that first rep. If I can maintain perfect form on that first rep, and I can also sense that I'm not going to be completely toast within like 30 seconds or after one or two reps, then I'll keep the weight where it's at. But yeah, it's a little bit of kind of a foggy science. But the more that you do this style of training, the more you get used to just kind of knowing Whether you've got way too much weight loaded up or not enough. And then the other thing that you can do is you can strip set. You know, as you go through the set, if you get to three reps and you've had maybe 60 seconds of time under tension, and you know that you want to get two to two and a half minutes of time under tension, you can just decrease the weight a little bit. That's why I like to do this type of workout on machines because it's very simple. You know, on the chest, press to reach down, adjust the machine, keep going, versus with dumbbells where you got to go rack them, you know, or, or the, a barbell where you gotta, you know, remove plates, add plates, etc. And so yeah, that's okay.

That was a good, a good measure because like the, the time under, under stress is probably the, the most important thing anyway. So instead of thinking about it in terms of weight, just think shift for two minutes without stopping or your form falling apart. Yeah.

And if you want to read a whole book about this, if you need to read an entire book to learn how to super slow train, which I don't think is necessary, but it's an interesting book, is Body by Science, by author Doug McGuff. Doug McGuff, great, great book on that.

All right, okay, I'll stop bugging you on this one. Move on.

The last thing was a simple method of fasting that produced some pretty profound body fat and metabolic results. In a nutshell, what this study did was they simply had people delay their morning meal, their breakfast by 90 minutes and then eat dinner 90 minutes earlier. Right. So they were creating essentially a compressed feeding window for these subjects during this 10 week study. So you call this time restricted feeding, which is a form of intermittent fasting. So the participants were split into two groups. The group that of course ate meals as they normally would eat meals just sprinkled throughout the day, and then another group that waited an extra 90 minutes to eat breakfast. Let's say you have your breakfast at 10am instead of 8:30am and then they move their dinner back. So instead of having dinner at, let's say 7:30pm you would have dinner at 6pm what they found was a significant response in fat. And as a matter of fact, the researchers found that people who changed their meal times lost on average more than twice as much body fat as the control group with this simple switch. What I like about this is it is a very simple switch for reduction of body fat via this compressed feeding window. You simply take Whatever time you normally eat breakfast. And even if you're just gonna try this for a week to see what happens, just shift that breakfast time forward by 90 minutes. And yeah, that might mean that you're having breakfast at your office while you're working. And breakfast might be whatever, a smoothie or a handful of nuts and berries or you know, say, like maybe a cup of coffee with some superfoods or mushrooms or oils or something like that blended in so that it's something that you can eat while you're working. And then for dinner, you simply have dinner earlier. Which of course also requires some, some shifts in your schedule. Like let's say you go to the gym normally in the afternoon or evening after work. Well, maybe you would actually have dinner and then get some things done, play with your kids, hang out, redo whatever it is you're going to do and then go to the gym at, let's say like seven, because you've had dinner earlier. So it would require some switching of some of your schedules. But ultimately it's pretty significant the amount of fat loss that occurred by the introduction of this compressed feeding window. And I think this is a very logical and simple way for people to wrap their heads around it because that's, that's all they did in the study, delay breakfast by 90 minutes and then have dinner 90 minutes earlier.

So I wouldn't suggest this for. I mean, most of the people who are listening to this podcast right now are probably already doing a compressed eating window. They're probably doing like 16 to 18 hour overnight intermittent fasts. Now, this isn't, you don't want to add this on top of that?

I'm going to interrupt you. I don't think most people are doing a 16 to 18 hour. I think most people are probably doing a 12 to 16 hour. But think about a 16 to 18 hour. That usually requires completely skipping breakfast in most cases because you're not eating till, you know, noon or 1pm in many cases, if you're doing that type of fast, these folks are still eating breakfast. They're just eating breakfast later.

Okay, sure. So if you're already doing intermittent fasting though, like, Even if it's 12 hours, this isn't necessarily on top of that. This is for people who aren't already engaging in some sort of intermittent fast.

Yeah, exactly. But anyways, we'll link to the static.

I just don't want a whole bunch of people running off and being like, well, I'm only eating for like six hours now. I guess I have to Chop another three hours off of that.

Right. Another way to think about this is just have an 8 to 10 hour compressed feeding window.

Yeah.

Whenever you normally just, just try to spread all your meals within about eight to 10 hours, you know, preferably not between like, let's say midnight and 8am try and choose something more conducive to circadian rhythmicity, like have all your meals between 10am and 6pm, for example. So the only other thing I should throw in there is that in our household, the Greenfield household, I have sacrificed the health benefits and the circadian rhythm benefits of an earlier dinner for the social and happiness benefits of having a family dinner. Because by the time my kids finish jiu jitsu and tennis and piano and post school activities, by the time I've finished, all I have to get done during the day, by the time my wife has actually, you know, gotten done with the goats and the chickens in the yard and everything we're doing, sometimes we just don't have the time to sit down together as a family until 8 or 8:30pm for dinner. And yes, that's not ideal because ideally you should have your dinner done with about three hours prior to bedtime. And ideally you should have this compressed feeding window. But I also, you know, in our household, family dinners are a must. Like that's the time when we gather around and we play table topics and we'll play some games game together Pictionary, which I find annoying because I have to stop every two minutes for meeting to draw something. But we really prioritize this time when the whole family can get together at the end of the day, we can't do it at breakfast because everyone's running around getting ready for the day, getting ready for school, lunchtime, the kids aren't here, and lunch is kind of an afterthought for me anyways. And I usually am working through lunch. And so dinner turns out to be the meal that allows us to have these family dinners that, in my opinion, are one of the things that kind of keeps our family together and all on the same page and lets us catch up on each other's lives and not be like ships in the night throughout the entire week. So, you know, for those of you listening in who feel like this could disrupt family dinners, for example, I personally think the importance of family dinners and a good social relationship with your family trumps any metabolic issues that might arise from having a slightly later dinner.

In fact, even in that study, they said in the questionnaire after the study was done that the response or the Respondents indicated that social eating and drinking opportunities were negatively impacted even by this 90 minute thing. So. Yeah, right, it's a problem.

Exactly. So don't do this if it means you got to sacrifice beers with the boys in the evening. Just not worth it.

Listener Q and A.

Hi, Ben. Several different bed and mattress companies promote these zero gravity beds. Do zero gravity beds or incline beds improve sleep quality or impact core muscles.

In a negative way?

Also, can disconnecting the bed plug remove the electricity to improve sleep? Thank you much, John.

So I honestly had never heard of gravity beds before.

Really? I went under a rock. Everybody's talking about gravity beds.

Yeah, well, apparently, according to John, I'm. Yeah, I am living under a rock, but I've had gravity boots, I've had inversion tables. I've never tried a gravity bed.

Well, they were developed by NASA, so we automatically know that, that they must be well researched and efficacious. That's pretty much like if you want to claim that anything is worth someone's penny, or in this case, many pennies, you tell them it was developed by NASA or that it came from Russia or Japan. Right. Those are the best ways to lend instant credibility to anything you say. And ideally, it's like NASA researchers working with Japanese and Russian researchers to develop something.

That's the trifecta.

That's the trifecta. That's the best way you could ensure that you get instant credibility. So the zero gravity position, though, all joking aside, it actually was something that NASA came up with. They invented this neutral body posture for astronauts to sit in as they would launch spacecrafts into orbit. So astronauts, of course, encounter zero gravity as a spacecraft changes speed as it orbits. And that's necessary to keep atmospheric pressure from, from pulling the spacecraft back in. And the centrifugal force that is used to accelerate the space vehicle works to offset gravity. And so they call this zero gravity. And NASA created a zero gravity seating position to alleviate the compression forces of pressure on the spine and the body of astronauts during these space shuttle takeoffs.

And that's basically the La Z boy position, like the recliner position, right?

Yeah, it is. It's popular. And a lot of these like massage beds or relaxing beds that you'd sit in before you get your massage. There are some companies that have developed special beds, like a lot of pulse selectomagnetic field companies, PEMF companies like Beamer or pulse centers that develop these beds that you sit in that kind of blast your body with PEMF frequencies, which are great. I like those for Freaky. Decrease inflammation, increase blood flow, you sleep better. But they originally all came from NASA and then bed manufacturers. And some of these biohacking device manufacturers realized the benefits that zero gravity would have if you somehow figured out a way to work these into a bed or something that you wouldn't necessarily find in a spaceship. So the zero gravity position, what it does, it relieves the pressures of gravity from the body by distributing your body weight evenly. So in most cases, it's an adjustable frame that allows for your legs and your head to be raised at a different angle to reduce back pressure and increase circulation. And so in a zero gravity position, the angle of the thighs and the torso get aligned and the upper body and the head are raised just a little bit, the knees are slightly bent, and, you know, if you can't picture it, just go to Google images and type in zero gravity and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. But what they found is that this results in less back pain and less neck pain because, excuse me, because a flatbed adds pressure to your body's natural S shaped spinal column. And once you eliminate that flatness and you evenly distribute pressure, you actually can get relief of any pain or the production of, like, you know, soreness and discomfort in your back and your neck when you're laying flat in your back. They've also studied this for snoring. And they found that the head gets slightly elevated in the zero gravity position. The airways open, it prevents the tongue from slipping back during. So if you have sleep apnea or you snore, then this is something that can help with that. So you actually get better, specifically rapid eye movement sleep cycles or REM sleep cycles when you do this. They found that it takes unneeded pressure off of heart muscles. So if people have heart issues, they've had cardiovascular incidents, they've had heart attacks, you get better flow of blood through the heart. And so the zero gravity position could be good for people who are concerned about cardiovascular issues. People get heartburn and acid ref reflux often. They just should not be eating so much damn food before they get into bed at night. But laying in zero gravity, if you do decide you just want to, you want to stuff your gaping maw and then, you know, stumble up the stairs and into bed. It does elevate the upper body, so stomach acids don't come easily back up. So it could help to ease heartburn and acid reflux. Although again, I think there are, there are other underlying reasons for that, and you should fix a few things before you rush out to buy a zero gravity bed to fix your heartburn. Probably you get less swelling because the legs are elevated. Obviously you get better breathing, especially for people who have like allergies or asthma. They have used zero gravity beds for this and found that people breathe better in those type of situations. And sleep overall appears to be somewhat improved in terms of actual sleep cycles and circadian rhythmicity. So these zero gravity beds actually have a lot going for them. And there are companies that, that sell them. You know, I'll put links in the show notes. Probably one of the more popular ones. It's called, it's got a great name. It's called the ghost bed. The ghost bed. And it's an adjustable zero gravity bed. You can literally like push buttons on it and get the bed to be exactly at the angles that you want to be at. And they sell like this curvaceous base that allows you to adjust it to your needs. And compared to some of these like $10,000 organic mattresses is they're not that expensive. I mean, like, I think it's about 3,000 bucks to get like the whole kit and caboodle. Like, like the whole zero gravity base and the zero gravity curved mattress. There's another company on Amazon called Zero Gravity G Force. Same thing. They've got like this, this big, like California King style adjustable bed. That one even has a massage option on it. So you can get a zero gravity that way too.

It's like the beds in the old motels where you put a quarter in and it goes. It just shakes like hell next to.

Your heart shaped hot tub. Exactly. There is also a company called Dynasty Mattress that has a pretty good one. I don't sleep on one. I don't sleep on one. Even though I do have one of the pulse centers PEMF tables that actually is a zero gravity table. So I'll sometimes nap on that. So I can double up and get pulsed electromagnetic field therapy at the same time that I'm napping. And I'll put a link to my podcast with pulse centers in the show notes. But I don't have one of these beds. What I have is something called an intellibed. It's an actual intelligent bed. As the name implies, the intellibed does math. It uses gel. It uses gel and it's this double layer of gel. A lot of people ask me what kind of matrix that I sleep on. It's called a gel matrix that they use. So they blend gel with foam. So it's very supportive of the body. But it feels like you're laying on memory foam. Like it's actually a firm surface, but it feels like you're laying on memory foam. They call the technology they use in that dynamically adaptive cushioning. So it just kind of adapts to your body when you lay on it like a typical foam mattress does. But it's about three times more firm than a foam mattress. And they had a bunch of sleep scientists work with the company to develop this. Admittedly, the mattress that I sleep on is more expensive than any of these zero gravity beds. Like, I think that the total for my actual mattress was something like 7K. So. So that's a little bit more expensive. But I mean they've got like this cooling technology fabric in it. It's got a 20 year warranty. They use copper infused latex. I mean it's a, it's, it's a pretty nice bed. Like, like I've laid in some of these zero gravity beds and the angle of your body is cool, but man, I mean these Intella beds can't be beat. And I just want to point out the elephant in the room here. It's also incredibly difficult to have sex on a zero gravity bed.

I'm just saying, like somebody's bent in the wrong direction.

Yeah, some of them are, are like I mentioned, they're, they're motorized and have the ability to like flip a switch so they can kind of go flat. But ultimately I like the intellibed. Like if you like to own nice things. I think the intellibed is top of the totem pole. I think these zero gravity beds are pretty cool. I'm actually building a guest house out in the forest behind my house and maybe I'll get a zero gravity bed for that. Just so that people who come over or if I ever want to go sleep in a zero gravity bed after I've been traveling a lot or something, I want to drain my legs. I could. But yeah, it's an interesting question. And ultimately to answer John's question, yeah, I mean they, they can definitely help. John also asks if unplugging them could help to remove the electricity to improve sleep. Yeah, anything that you have plugged in your bedroom that could be unplugged while you're asleep, it's a good idea. But what I do in my own bedroom is I just have these things called dirty electricity filters. And anything that's plugged in in the bedroom is plugged into one of these dirty electricity filters. So it pretty significantly limits any amount of electrical pollution and I did this big podcast with a building biologist that was fun. And he, he definitely found with his little testing monitors that these dirty electricity filters did indeed keep me from, I don't know, sprouting a third green eye while I was asleep from electrical pollution. So there you have it. That's the skinny on zero gravity beds.

You know what I've been sleeping on recently that I just absolutely love and.

Is really cheap sheep bed of nails.

How did you know that's exactly what I was gonna say? Bought some plywood, put some nails in it, Boom.

Hey, guys, my name is Andrew Ben's podcast with Tyler LeBaron, and the recent hydrogen water generator giveaway that you did has gotten me really interested in hydrogen water. In the podcast, you guys mentioned that the antioxidant effect of the water doesn't blunt the hormetic effects of exercise. Could you you explain a little bit more of what you mean by that to me and whether or not hydrogen water would counteract any adaptations to, say, muscle hypertrophy or endurance training. Thanks. Love the podcast.

So apparently I can't say hydrogen rich water.

Hyde Wojun.

It comes from very much like Elmer Fudd hydrogen.

Yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to necessarily create an enormous amount of redundancy considering that, as Andrew alluded to, I interviewed Tyler Labaron on the director of the Molecular Hydrogen Institute and a friend of mine and we geeked out on this for like an hour. So I'll link to that podcast in the show notes if you really want to take a deep dive into molecular hydrogen. But in a nutshell, what it is, is, is molecular hydrogen, or H2, also known as diatomic hydrogen. It's a tasteless, odorless gas. And kind of like my own gas. It's tasteless and odorless. I've tried many times. Doesn't taste, doesn't stink. It's just gas. I'm like a, like a, like a little baby, you know? You know how babies are at that certain age when they're very young and their. Doesn't stink. I'm like, no, I'm like that with my guess. I guess you don't. You're not a father. Yeah, but I can tell you, like.

Children when they're babies, poop at all costs.

When babies are very young, their stool does not smell that bad at all. Like, it's not sulfurous and nasty. And I think it's just because they're, they're just so freaking clean when they first pop out. Well, even doesn't stink. So anyways, what H2 does is it mediates what's called the NRF2 pathway, which is an inflammatory pathway and that can regulate your levels of glutathione and superoxide dismutase and catalase and all these really beneficial endogenous antioxidants that you create. And in addition to that, very similar to say nitric oxide OR CO or H2S or these other gaseous signaling molecules that are found in our bodies, it can modulate protein phosphorylation and gene expression and signal transduction. And that's the mechanism via which it provides a lot of its anti inflammatory effects and anti allergy effects. It's got some pretty cool what are called anti apoptotic effects, which means it can limit cell death, it can limit excess cell death. And one of the things that Tyler Lebaron and I talked about in that podcast episode was the fact that unlike many antioxidants like especially antioxidants like synthetic vitamin C or synthetic vitamin E, molecular rich hydrogen, specifically like when you drink it, when it's been dissolved in water, it can actually allow you to decrease inflammation and recover more quickly without blunting the hormetic response to exercise. Meaning when you exercise, you would want for example, satellite cell proliferation to occur so that you can repair muscle cells so they grow back bigger or stronger or you know, so that you get the muscular effects of the workout that you're doing. And when you dump too many antioxidants in the, in the body, the inflammatory pathways necessary for that mechanism to occur get shut down. The same could be said for example, for the response to training in terms of the buildup of mitochondrial density. You can blunt that when you take a whole bunch of antioxidants or you like take a 20 minute ice bath after a workout. Well, there are some anti inflammatories and antioxidants that don't do that. Green tea polyphenols is one example. Ketone esters are another example. And hydrogen rich water is yet another example of something that can ease inflammation, ease pain, it can assist with sleep. There's a lot of really interesting studies behind it it.

But how about curcumin does Curcumin does.

Not blunt the hormetic response. Exercise curcumin would actually blunt the hormetic response to exercise. Like that's. Yeah, yeah. Based on any of the studies that I've seen, you would want to time your turmeric or your curcumin intake for several hours after your workout. And not pop something like that right after your workout. And then there are other companies and I'll put links in the show notes to a few other options. Like there's one company, I'm totally blanking on the name of it, but I've got a bunch of their cans up in my refrigerator right now, now. And they do hydrogen rich water infused with fermented beet juice. This stuff has some really good research behind it for things like nitric oxide production. That's a really potent way to get your hydrogen rich water. Again, kind of spendy. But I'll put some links in the show notes to some other options. But even if you just have the tablets that you travel with and, or a hydrogen water generator, it can be a really cool way to get some of these benefits. And, and I asked Tyler about this after our podcast and he definitely backed up the fact that conventional antioxidants can negate the benefits of exercise training. And there's some pretty good research behind that. But there's zero studies that show that molecular hydrogen would impair exercise performance or training adaptations. And at the same time, there's several clinical studies that demonstrate pretty significantly that H2 can improve exercise performance and enhance exercise induced training adaptations. And you do definitely get a mild increase in free radicals, but those serve as signaling molecules to the body when you consume the H2. So it ultimately is probably one of the better forms of water, in my opinion, that you could be drinking. So I'm a huge fan of it. And hydrogen rich water is kind of, I don't like to throw this term around too much, but it's like one of those biohacks that I, I, I use and drink on a, on a daily basis. I can, in addition to my kachari and my coffee enemas, of course.

Yeah, I can attest. I've met Tyler at the A4M conference a year or so ago and dude is fit. So if he's using this stuff, it's, it's working for him.

Yeah, he's fit and he's smart. He's also the same guy who informed me when I was sitting next to him at a conference having lunch that I was making a, a big mistake by taking 5 grams of creatine a day because creatine is only absorbed maximum at like 2 grams. So if you're, if you like, you still use, yeah, use 5 grams of creatine a day but just like have a, have like just a basic creatine monohydrate powder on your kitchen counter and when you have a glass of water, like put one and a half or two grams into the water, preferably warm, stir it up and drink it. That way, rather than taking all your creatine at once, like in the morning or pre workout out. Hey, Ben, Gabe here. In the last year or so I've gone from smoking cigarettes to vaping to snuff pouches. And then more recently I've discovered this stuff called Zyn, which is non tobacco nicotine pouches. And I was wondering what your thoughts were on them and what your thoughts were on nicotine in general, whether it's all good or all bad, and when it should be used and not used. Thanks. I think I need to go take a big drag in my cigarette reply.

You smoking parliaments?

Do you make a cigarette sound effect? Are you able to do that along with your bird?

Could you hear that?

Pretty good. That's pretty good.

It's me blowing a smoke ring.

I like that. I like that. Well, cigarettes, we of course know, have been proven time and time again to be awesome.

And not addictive at all.

With a cowboy hat or after sex.

If you want to look sexy, everybody.

Should have a pack of cigarettes around. They keep you lean and thin. But contrary to common opinion, because it's been thrown under the bus along with cigarettes, nicotine is not a carcinogenic substance. I should note that if you already have a tumor, there's some evidence that nicotine may actually play a role in angiogenesis to tumors. Meaning, like if you already have a tumor, it's probably not a good idea to be using nicotine. So if you have cancer, don't rush out to buy Habitrol gum. The same could be said, for example, for protein, right? Like I'm a huge fan of protein for its anabolic benefits, its appetite satiating benefits, the fact that you know the amino acids and it can act as neurotransmitter precursors. But if I already had a tumor, I would eat very, very low amounts of protein because it could allow for tumor growth. But I mean, I mean, with nicotine, unless you already have a tumor, it's not carcinogenic in the least and it actually has a lot of really good things going for it that I can fill you in on right now. So before it's not a tumor. Yeah, before filling you in on this, I should note too that I probably consume close to 3-4mg of nicotine a day, whether via nicotine lozenges like dissolved in the mouth pre workout, which I absolutely love. Nicotine Gum. I chew on nicotine gum, usually a couple pieces a day. And then you'll occasionally find me, like if I'm out at a dinner and it's like a late dinner and I want to be up a lot of times, have like a nicotine toothpick sticking out my mouth. I also am a big fan of writing in my book with a nicotine toothpick and a cup of coffee. It's a writer's best friend. That's a great one, two combo. You feel badass with a big black cup of coffee and nicotine toothpick hanging out the corner of your mouth. Mouth. Just a good look.

That is a good look. That's very dirty hairy of you.

Yeah, I like it. Yeah, I'm all dirty hairy.

So you don't use the nicotine spray at all, that like, thing?

No, I don't use a nicotine spray. I know what you're talking about. I just don't. I don't. It's, it's available for sale in Canada, but you can't even buy it in the us.

Oh yeah, that's right. It's a. Yeah, it's a Canadian, I mean, invention and things.

Yeah, it's, it's not impossible to get. I mean, I have Canadian friends. I, I could get an import. I just, I just don't, you know.

So I just like it because it freshens your breath while you're, while you're getting your hit of nicotine.

Yeah. Well, you're becoming addicted to nicotine. You have wonderful breath. That is something that, that I should note before I get into the benefits. You do need to be careful. Nicotine is addictive. And just like when you try to quit smoking cigarettes, when you try to quit nicotine, you can get strong cravings and increased appetite and sleep disturbance disturbances and a little bit of irritability and restlessness. But I think that if you use it in moderation and you're already aware that it could be addictive, like me, like, I limit my use because I'm aware of the addictive potential. So I'm just careful with it. Like I mentioned, you'd want to be careful because it could be an angiogenic type of substance if you already have a tumor. And then there is some evidence that for adolescent users, like in people, this is the same reason. Like I don't let my kids, kids smoke weed. In addition to the fact it would annoy my wife and my kids don't like weed or the smell of it, it could impair the prefrontal cortex in adolescent users. And when you impair the prefrontal cortex, you of course limit cognitive performance. And they've shown that nicotine use during adolescence in studies can increase the risk of cognitive impairment later in life. They've shown the same thing with marijuana. And most of these studies you're seeing these type of effects in anyone who is a user under about the age of 25. You know, I didn't go near, I didn't go near nicotine at all until.

I, that's what's wrong with me.

Yeah. 36. I didn't touch marijuana because I was well aware of its, its, its ability to affect gray matter and cognition, et cetera. I was I think 32 when, when I first even went near marijuana. I could say the same thing for alcohol and liver formation prior to the age of about 80, 18. So there are certain situations in which you just want to wait until you're a grown up to use some of this stuff.

When did you, when did you wait to lose your V card?

My V card? My virginity.

Yeah. Like 37.

No, I was, I was 15. But I can also proudly say that my wife and I actually waited until we got married to have sex. I'm proud of that because that was very hard to do. We were madly in love. We just wanted to be special. So yeah, so we're still, we waited. Yeah, we're old school, we're, we're Christian Baptist fundamentalist puritans. Yeah. So anyways though, to nicotine, back to nicotine. So nicotine increases wakefulness, motivation, alertness, creativity. It's been shown to increase activity across both hemispheres of the brain. So in folks who like microdose with LSD you can actually get some of the same type of what are called bilateral neocortical activations via the use of nicotine. And it also increases your alpha brain wave state so you get better attention, better creativity. If you're an athlete, you're better able to enter into the zone. In addition to that, it has been studied and proven to improve your fine motor skills and also your short term memory, your long term memory and what's called your working memory. So it can actually improve your ability to multitask, which is very interesting and significantly helpful I think for a lot of people. It's been shown to help with ADHD and ADD symptoms. It acts as a neuroprotective, meaning it can reduce inflammation in the brain. It stimulates what are called cholinergic receptors in the brain and by doing that it can act as a neuroprotective but it also via similar pathway blocks estrogen. So it has anti estrogenic effects, which is also important, especially for example men who want to have more free testosterone availability and less aromatization of testosterone into estrogens. Nicotine can help with that as well. It has been studied and shown to be beneficial for treating Alzheimer's, for treating Parkinson's and for treating Tourette syndrome. Three different neurodegenerative conditions conditions and for all of those it seems to act primarily upon what are called acetylcholine receptors. And so it's something that actually pairs quite well for similar reasons with any type of nootropic or smart drug. It's very good to include in some of those stacks, let's say Qualia or Alpha Brain or Siltep. None of those have nicotine in them. But you can literally just use nicotine, nicotine gum, nicotine spray, whatever and have that at the same time as you have a nootropic or a smart drug. And it seems to enhance the effects. It also acts to lower inflammation, reduces TNF alpha production and cytokine production. It can assist with patients who have inflammation due to ulcerative colitis as well. Although the caveat there is you do need to be careful because a lot of these gums and lozenges, they do have things like artificial sweeteners or toxins or preservatives in it that could aggravate your gut if you already have a pre existing gut condition especially. So you'd want to be kind of careful to choose pretty clean sources of nicotine if you were going to do something like that. And in addition to that, it's been shown to reduce pain. So people who are on nicotine score their pain much lower after surgery injury. It can be protective against ulcerative colitis like I mentioned, but also enhance the production of intestinal mucosa. It actually can increase the thickness of mucus in the colon. That's with slightly higher doses, doses close to 5mg which could make you kind of jittery and be a, be a, you know, like an incredible pick me up. But even in smaller amounts it seems to have the same anti inflammatory effect. It can help in weight loss and insulin control probably because it's a potent appetite suppressant like chewing on a little bit of nicotine gum is a potent appetite suppressant, but it also seems to be able to increase metabolism via what are called melanocortin MC4R receptors, meaning you can actually see a little bit of a Bump up in metabolic rate because it has that angiogenic potential I talked about earlier. Yeah. If you have a tumor, you'd want to avoid it, but because it can increase growth of tissues and blood vessel capillaries is it can help with tissue repair. And there's a few other benefits of nicotine. But, I mean, the real big picture here is I'm a fan of it. You have to be careful because it can be addicting. You need to be careful. If you're young and you use it, it pairs quite well with a lot of other nootropics and smart drug like compounds. In the show notes, if you go there, I'll put a link to the pixetine nicotine toothpicks that I own. And you use really like the cinnamon flavor, for example. I had my personal assistant go through and kind of do like a spreadsheet analysis of which of the nicotine gums is the lowest in preservatives or artificial sweeteners or chemicals. The brand Habitrol appears to be the best. And so I'll link to that one in the show notes. And then there are also these nicotine lozenges. And again, same thing. Like a lot of these lozenges are. Or lozenges, however you want to pronounce that. They're really big.

Never heard anybody say it that way.

Yeah, the bigger they are lozenges, anyway. I don't know. Yeah, I'd say lozenges, but yeah. Yeah. So Nyquitan makes these ones that are really small, so they're almost like tiny little mints, and they have less of the artificial sweeteners and preservatives in them. So for gum, I'd go with Habitrol. For. For lozenges, I'd go with Nyquitin. And then for toothpicks, I like this brand called Pixotene. But I'll link to that stuff in the show notes. Most of those, I think all of those you could grab off Amazon. So there you have it. Nicotine with a asterisk is healthy.

I'm gonna throw in one little warning there. If you weren't a smoker, you haven't experimented with nicotine before. Go easy at first.

I've seen.

Seen a couple of people do a couple sprays of the stuff that I was talking about and get really sick. So don't. Yeah, don't go whole hog until you know how you can handle it.

Have you ever done a snoose nicotine snooze, like under the lower lip, like at a party or anything?

Like that, not at a party. My. My uncle used to carry those around. He was a farmer.

Potent. Those things are potent. You get like slightly dizzy and then you're just like on fire for like an hour, an hour and a half. Those are pretty crazy.

It's like chewing tobacco. Same thing, just gross. And such a huge hit of nicotine.

Yeah, exactly.

I have a question about stem cell therapy. Love the podcast with Dr. Adelson. And my question regards is whether this is a permanent or temporary effect. It seems to me that it would be permanent. That is, after the therapy, you're essentially rolling back the clock on the treated area such that it is newer tissue and if taken care of properly, you know, you've essentially added years to your life of that area. The problem I have is at the end of the podcast, Dr. Adelson said that this has. This affects his patients for years and indicated that a lot of them come back and see him. He expects to see them in the next three to six years. That, to me would indicate it's a temporary effect that needs to be retreated to obtain the same benefits. But based on all the theory you've described, it again, doesn't. Doesn't truly add up that it's a temporary treatment. Would love some clarification. Thanks. I love the podcast.

You know, I had this exact same question, Scott. Good question. Dr. Adelson did talk about people coming back occasionally and getting treatments again and again, so that. That raised that same. Huh.

In my gain and again. Yeah, so I, I took a little bit of a dive into the studies on how long stem cell therapy can actually last because they have actually looked into this. So there was one study where they took a whole bunch of patients who got treated with bone marrow concentrate, which is exactly what I did when I did the. That full body stem cell makeover at Dr. Adelson's clinic. And they followed them for 30 months with laboratory and radiographic and MRI studies. Every single patient after 30 months was still receiving therapeutic benefits. There's another study at the University of Paris, and they followed over 500 patients for 18 years after bone marrow stem cell treatment. And that study, they showed that of all those patients, only 15% of them needed to actually go on to receive any type of additional hip treatment, hip replacement, hip surgery, anything like that. So 85%, approximately, of those patients, the stem cells seem to stick with. And again, that was for 18 years. There was another study where they did.

This is a brand new treatment, isn't it?

No, no, only in the U.S. yeah, only in the U.S. exactly. Thank you for asking that question.

Sorry, I just, I had a. I could hear everybody out in the audience going, 18 years.

Yeah. There was another study where they looked at knees, and this I believe was also a European study, and they found an average of 6 years of pretty much complete reduction of knee pain. And they looked at everything from complication rates to knee function scores to just the overall patient satisfaction. And so for those patients, it appeared that six years at least, like that was. I'm not saying all the benefits disappear after six years, but that was how long they followed people in that study. Another more recent study followed. This was a 2015 study in the journal Cell Training Transplant. They followed over 1,000 patients for about four years and they found that 63% of the patients maintained their improvements in pain and function and 91% of the patients had at least a 50% improvement in function. So that showed that we were seeing benefits at least as long as four years in that study. And then there were other studies. There was one in Korea where they had patients and they followed them for about two years after stem cells were injected into their arthritic knees. And what happened after two years was the majority of the patients in that study had pain that had decreased by over 40%. And they also had an increase in cartilage production that was very significant. That was over 20%. There was another study in Iran of all places, where they again had a bone marrow stem cell injections into the hip joint, the knee joint or the ankle joint. And they noted that after a 30 month case study, follow up, all the stem cell treatments lasted for the entire 30 months. So in most cases we're seeing that these treatments aren't something like, like Botox that lasts maybe six months or a year at maximum, but we're talking about many years, in some cases up to 18 years. Dr. Adelson, when I reached out to him, sent me some other studies on the mesenchymal stem cell availability. One study looked at following up patients for about 600 of days and they found significant survival of the stem cells and efficacy of the treatments after that period of time. There was another study in which they did like, what was it, a 90 month follow up, a meta analysis where they followed up patients in a whole bunch of different studies and some of the studies were up to 90 months and they found that there was a significant increase in outcome of anything that the patient had done for up to 90 months. And then one final study that I noted looked at folks for up to about 48 months and found that they had significantly improved what they call histological and radiological outcomes and then also improve improved arthroscopic scored healing rate. So essentially, just like the function in this case of the knee and knee osteoarthritis after stem cell injection. And then I can also tell you just from personal experience that my ding dong is still getting it up like I was 15 years old.

Nobody wants to know that.

Since I and I got my stem cell injection, my first one, I guess it's been about four months and that's definitely still with me. I've talked about acoustic sound wave therapy and the effects of that last about a month and are pretty profound. But the stem cells just haven't ever seemed to have worn off, period. So I think that this isn't one of those things where it's some type of a conspiracy theory by stem cell docs to, to get you to come back over and over again for a protocol. It seems to last a pretty significant period of time. I don't know if it's permanent permanent. But based on the stem cell theory of aging, you know, the fact that your endogenous stem cell availability seems to decrease as you age, just having more stem cells available for your body to draw upon seems like if you can afford it, a good idea. And what I'm doing now is I just get them systematic chemically injected via IV one to two times a year because I have all my stem cells from when I was 35 years old stored by the US stem cell clinic down in Florida. And I can just get those injected and then those will basically migrate to whichever areas of the body where they are most needed for repair and recovery. So even if a stem cell, a, a full body stem cell makeover does not last forever. You can harvest and store your stem cells and just inject them on a regular basis to just keep that stem cell availability elevated.

So why do you think these people are coming back to Dr. Adelson on a regular basis? He was mentioning, I think farmers in particular were coming in with like bad shoulders and stuff from multiple treatments.

You know, I don't know, I think maybe he's doing different joints at different times. He has never expressed to me that anybody who does this full body stem cell makeover has to come back in for like touch up stem cells or anything like that. I guess if you re injured an area or something like that, you know, like if you strained your knee or you know, got in a car accident or something and you had a more acute need for an immediate stem cell injection. That would be a case where maybe you'd want to go back in for some touch up work. But I think the idea is this is supposed to be for life doing something like this. That full body stem cell makeover, it's not cheap. You know, if you do the full, I think the full meal deal like I did the cosmetic procedure, I did the sexual procedure and I did the musculoskeletal procedure. You know, I think all in, you're looking at north of 40,000 to do something like that. But you know, some people will spend that much on a car. I'll spend that much on my body.

So yeah, I guess that's a good point. If they're not doing the $40,000 version, they're doing the $2,000 version for their shoulder. That tends to be the or is the biggest problem in their life. Then maybe they're coming back for the other shoulder or the knee or something.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah, exactly.

So Harry needs to work on his, his sales pitch.

Yeah, well, I will, I will link to his, his clinic and his stuff and the US Stem cell clinic as well where I have my stuff soared along with where you can buy your nicotine gum. Over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com390 Some great questions today. Oh, and we need to give something away. You want to give something away?

We sure do.

Okay. This is the part of the show where if you've gone to itunes and you've left us a review, preferably a five star review, although that's not required, and you've said something interesting and you hear your review read on the show, just let us know your T shirt size. Email it to gear@bengreenfieldfitness.com your t shirt size to gearngreenfieldfitness.com and we will send you. Why am I yawning right now? You're starting to yawn. That was crazy. I think it's because I'm talking too much. I'm not getting enough oxygen in. We'll send you you're good gear. Pack a piece, PCB, BPA free water.

Bottle and PCB free.

Yeah, I won't have PCVs in it either. And then also really cool tech T shirt for your workouts. Same one I wore to the gym quite often because I like to shamelessly plug my show.

Have you ever noticed when you get really sweaty and you lay on a bench at the gym with that shirt, it actually leaves the logo like on the. On the bench.

No, but I never lay on the benches. That's good to know.

Check that out. When you're doing like, bench press or something, if you're really sweaty, get up and look at the bench, and it's just like. It's like a sweat outline of the. Of the BG logo.

Amazing. Free advertising. All right, well, there's this cat, Brett W. He wrote in and he left his five stars. He says my go to podcast. So what do you think, Brock? You want to take this one away?

Do you want to throw in the parts that are in quotation marks so it's authentic? Let's try it. It'll be good.

All right, so basically, it looks like Brett left a review and made fun of everything. I happen to say a lot.

Just all the things that you. You like to throw in on a. Yeah. On a regular basis.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now let's not make it complicated. Just read it.

Okay. Ben is one smart cookie, constantly offering a copious amount of information from his gaping maw for his listeners. Further, he pushes his guests to get into the practical brass tacks, often recruiting only those who have techniques and products that work like gangbusters, for which he in turn offers us sweet discounts. All told, Ben's show is a fantastic source of knowledge and consistent part of my weekly routine.

I do use a lot of those things, like gaping. He nailed it. Gangbusters. Copious, sweet discount codes. Yeah, yeah, that's a. That's a pretty sweet review. So thanks. Thanks for the copious amount of information, Brad. And just getting down to brass tacks, I'm gonna say that this podcast is done. And if you follow everything that I talked about in the show, it's gonna work like gangbusters for you.

That's cuz you're one smart cookie.

Check out the episode for some sweet discount codes. So that all being said, Brock, have an amazing week. Go eat yourself some kachari.

Get yourself gaping Ma.

That's right. You're gaping Ma. And we'll be back next week. But in the meantime, stay tuned for an amazing episode coming up this Saturday on DNA and genetic testing. And head to BenGreenfieldFitness.com 390 for all the show notes. We'll catch you on the flip side.

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