Q&A 431: Psychedelics, Morning Glory Seeds, Bliss-Producing Oils, Cannabis For Sex, How To Have Way More Sex In Your Marriage & Much More!

On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Show. Psychedelics, morning glory seeds, bliss producing oils, cannabis for sex, and a whole lot more. Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. Foreign. We have finally connected for today's live Clubhouse Q A. And by the way, for people listening, we record These Q&As live on Clubhouse, usually 10:30am on Wednesday mornings. Usually try and get the word out about it somewhere on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram or whatever. So any of you who are listening in right now and want to join. Well, I guess you won't be listening in right now. If you're listening right now, you're listening to the recording. But for future recordings. And join us on Clubhouse. All the show notes for everything we talk about for this episode, episode number 431 are going to be over@bengreenfieldfitness.com 4, 3, 1. Because we're brilliant and inventive like that. Jay, how you doing, man?

Dude, I'm doing well. You actually probably don't even know this, but it's a special day for me.

You want to know why you're getting neutered? Close. Oh, because it was a special day for my dog a couple days ago getting that wonderful protocol done. He's been giving me stink eye since. But what makes your day special?

Well, today is actually my birthday, so we're recording on my birthday.

Dude, Happy birthday. What? What? What is one tradition that you adhere to on your birthday? Like deadlifting your body weight or, I.

Don'T know, 33 pounds? Yeah, that's what I go for. 33 kg kg.

Wouldn't be too bad if you were 90.

Exactly right, if I was 90. So, okay, so I have, like one of these. I won't say it's weird. I just tend to be such a kid at heart when it comes to different holidays, like Christmas and Halloween and then my birthday. Just one of those I've always enjoyed. And that's just because, like, I typically do, like, some type of family celebration, which when I was younger equated to us either eating out at a restaurant of my choice, which is always fun, or just like gorging myself on as much refined carbohydrates as possible.

Jay, if I could interrupt you briefly. We don't refer to it as gorging yourself or gluttony or anything like that. What we refer to in the nutrition industry to make this all sound quite laudable is refeeding. That's the vernacular.

Okay, I'll go with refeeding. Thank you for your advice on the vernacular there. So refeeding. And the big cake guy, like, I love cake. And so my wife actually was gonna surprise me with these. We love this place here in Greenville, South Carolina. It's called Farm Farm Fresh Market or something like that. Can't remember that. Doesn't matter. But they make vegan donuts that are actually sugar free. They use, use stevia. And so for me, like, it helps to. I don't know, I guess it's kind of that satisfying, the sweet tooth without kind of getting all the negative, nasty shit that you might find in other, you know, refined carbs. I. That's what we normal. She decided to forego that idea and she went to this place that's brand new here in Greenville, this local cookie shop that makes just like, absolutely not so healthy cookies. And she, her and my sons brought that over to us or to me here at my office. And I partook of one of those. So I'm feeling a little bit gutty right now, but so nice.

Well, a vegan stevia donuts just don't sound appetizing. They need to come up with a better name. Like, yeah, well, they satisfy the sweet.

Tooth, but they're like, yeah, I mean, it's just not the same, dude. I grew up kind of similar to you. Like, I grew up on like just refined carbs and like cereals and donuts and Little Debbie cakes and Twinkies and so like, my brain was so used to that and then it learned to not be used to that. And then when I. So when I have anything remotely sweet nowadays that is like, you know, whether it's, you know, fake sugar or real sugar or whatever is sugar in between. Like, it's always satisfying to some extent, but still nothing beats just like a good old gluten filled, sugar filled, linoleic acid filled cookie.

I tend to disagree. I've come across some pretty, pretty good baked goodies. And I mean, even not to toot my own horn, but like in my, my new cookbook, there's a donut recipe in there. I mean, like, baked donuts actually aren't that bad. Like you use little almond flour or coconut flour. Typically they got, they got a couple eggs in them. Typically, you know, you use like a, like some monk fruit or a little bit of maple syrup and vanilla extract as a sweetener. It's not hard to make. You just, you just put your, you know, a little bit of shortening or any of your fat sources into a mixing bowl. With some eggs and, and a little bit of like a creamer, like a coconut milk, some of your flour, a little bit of baking soda, a little bit of salt. Anything else you want to add in for flavoring. Like let's say you want to do blueberry, blueberry powder or whatever. And then you just whisk all that together to make batter. You fill it into these donut molds that you can buy on Amazon. And then you basically just bake your donuts for eight to 12 minutes. And they honestly are really good and you can dip them in a cup of coffee and like, I don't mind them to be fair, to be honest.

Well, to be honest with you, I should just not be so lazy and learn how to do those things. Maybe I should pick up your cookbook or I should have a friend send one over.

I'm not kidding you. You could whip up a batch of donuts in like 20 minutes flat when you wake, have them baked and ready to eat after your morning workout. That's not bad.

Well, the sugar free vegan donuts that we have here, dude, they're like 40 bucks a dozen. And I'm sure that it doesn't cost nearly that much to make, you know, on my own.

You can make your own donuts for pennies on the dollar. But, but I digress because my first point was that my second point was if you do have a cheat meal, you know, case in point, I took my wife out for her post birthday dinner last night to a wonderful local restaurant we like called Wild Sage. And we get polent and we get pork belly and we get like salmon with lox. And I had some duck confit and she had some halibut. But you know, their sourcing is decent, but it's still not quite as good at home. Right. A lot of their cold cooking they use extra virgin olive oil, but a lot of times in the warm cooking they're still going to use peanut oil or canola oil. And so, you know, I still go with a activated charcoal as soon as I get home, which mops up most of the mess. And then in the morning I do a little bit more activated charcoal and just get a deep sweat on in the sauna, sweat everything out. And I mean, you could take things to the nth degree and you know, give yourself a coffee enema and, and fast for 24 hours or whatever, but you know, just activated charcoal and a sauna and clean up a lot of it.

Yeah, well, you know, the thing is, is I had a planned run for the day because I've been really into Zone two training here and I did it. I didn't know they were coming, my family did. So they brought over the, the cookies. I ate one and shared it with my son. Then I was like, well, I wanted to get in a hardcore run afterwards. So I did, but felt like absolute gar. But I feel better now. Like after the run was. I was like a 45 minute run. So wasn't anything too short, wasn't anything too long, but I got a lot of the similar, similar detoxing effects. Just like it was a, it was a pain to run after eating that cookie.

Physical activity can also cure all ills. I used to eat a super sized Big Mac, supersize fries and a giant root beer on my way to tennis practice every day in college I'd go hit the ball for three or four hours, do hill sprints for another hour, go lift weights and by the time I got home I was ready for another Big Mac. But of we also know that most of us in our college years are pretty immortal anyways when it comes to especially the gut. So you obviously feel that later in life. Anyways though, we have a few research studies and then we should just jump into our live Q and A with all of our wonderful clubhouse listeners who are sitting here bored listening to us talk about donuts that are their drooling. But indeed, yeah, let's do our news flashes.

Let's go.

For some reason, I've chosen as the majority of the research to delve into these days, at least on today's podcast the topic of drugs, because it seems that several research studies have been coming my way of late. The whole concept of everything from psychedelics to cannabis seemed to be a hot topic due to perhaps Michael Pollan's new book, perhaps due to this sprinter recently getting banned from the Olympics for the use of cannabis as a a performance enhancing aid. Because we all know, you know, smoking a joint makes you run faster and, and I've actually got a few interviews in the can that I've, that I've kind of built up on topics such as cannabis and psychedelics and entheogens and, and the like. So a lot kind of coming down the pipeline on that. But you know, one thing is that an argument that's commonly made for, you know, this emerging trend of everything from ayahuasca retreats to psilocybin therapy etc, is that this has been woven into human culture for eons. But it's actually kind of interesting because vice recently came up with an article entitled Psychedelics weren't as common in ancient cultures as we think they actually say there's very little reliable evidence to actually back up that claim. For example, we'll hear that like ayahuasca has been used in the Peruvian Amazon for millennia, when in fact if you delve into the research, you know, a lot of indigenous peoples from that area remember adopting that in like, you know, the, and this was in research published in 2011. And I'll link to this article in the show Notes, like adopting that in the past 50 years and that, that ayahuasca actually only diffused through the Amazon in the last at most like 300 years. So that's kind of interesting. And then this article goes on to highlight the fact that, you know, drugs like, you know, DMT and mescaline and psilocybin and anything else that activates these serotonin 2a receptors aren't necessarily something that all of humankind and a lot of these indigenous hunter gatherer tribes have used extensively themselves for quite some time. I mean, even the Chinese who knew about magic mushrooms since at least the 400 AD period knew of them, but actually considered them poison and didn't actually use them. And then what's also interesting is that when you look at the traditional use of a lot of these compounds, you know, from like the, the Levites in Judaism, like the priests who would use them in the temple there to, to shamans in the Amazon, typically it's not the person who needs like the treatment or the therapy or the so called journey who uses these substances. It's instead like the shaman or the priest uses said substance such as ayahuasca to go to that, that place that these type of things bring you to, like that, that sacred journey space on behalf of the people or on behalf of the person that needs it, and then comes back to them with the messages that they need or the healing that they need and that you, you almost have this person kind of like going through the journey for you and you aren't actually going through it yourself, which is quite interesting because a lot of like mess themselves up, don't integrate properly and really aren't necessarily in the right place mentally to be, let's say, whatever, taking 400 milligrams of ketamine or using ayahuasca or taking a heroic dose of psilocybin or whatever. These were instead reserved almost like in a very sacred and ceremonial way for the people who are well versed in using them and not necessarily for the local Peruvian tourists who want to sip the brew and come back and tell their friends back in New York City about it.

Yeah, super interesting. I think like whenever I started kind of getting into studying the effects and of psychedelics, the history of psychedelics, I think I also like had this mental image of like indigenous Americans like utilizing peyote from, you know, just centuries ago. And like these are the kind of like just it was commonplace and so to kind of read this, to see that was no more like specialized than anything. And it doesn't really go back nearly as far as what we may think it went back to. Yeah, it's just really interesting because it kind of changes the paradigm a little bit. Mean, because I still see kind of a place for this, I still see a place for psychedelics, especially in the modern day society. But I think that coming from maybe a different kind of theoretical or conceptual framework, it just tends to shift the paradigm a little bit. And for me, like one of the big things is that I don't over like glamorize it because there is glamour to it in one sense, but another sense, like I want to just be real with what it is and what it isn't.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I'm not saying that just because it doesn't have as extensive a use in ancient indigenous cultures as we might have been led to believe of late, that people can't still use those kind of like Johns Hopkins has shown in their psilocybin research for things like reducing attachments and addictions or having personal insights and breakthroughs. But it's definitely, I think, been blown out of proportion in terms of this idea that everybody on the face of the planet should be using the this stuff because human beings have for all time, if that makes sense.

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Anyways though, we'll link to that paper or that article really from vice@bengreenfieldthentist.com 431 as I will for anything that we mentioned on today's news flashes or elsewhere. But kind of related to this was an article that appeared on Inverse about morning glory seeds. I didn't even know this until I had somebody visiting my house and they had morning glory seeds tattooed on their thigh. I'm talking to this girl in the sauna and she tells me, well, you know, I got this tattoo after a very, very meaningful LSD experience that I had. And it turns out that and Home Depot is probably going to sell out of morning glory seeds now once I put out this podcast. But those seeds actually contain Delysergic acid amide, which is lsa. And it's very, very similar to lsd. And as a matter of fact, in my opinion and from my own personal experimentation and usage, because I tend to use these type of things as microdose to enhance creativity or productivity during the day. LSA is actually a better microdosing compound for productivity and creativity than LSD is. You get the same type of left and right hemispheric merging and kind of like that combination of creativity and focus but with less of the, I guess, jitteriness that it seems that LSD produces. So I actually do think LSA is a little bit better. You also tend to be more personable and less robotic when using something, something like LSA as compared to lsd. And it turns out that these morning glory seeds, like popping and chewing morning glory seeds, kind of like nutmeg, is the prison drug of choice because it naturally is a psychedelic. Especially if you combine it with something like, like cinnamon for example, which will actually affect some of the enzymes in the liver that allow for nutmeg to be more psychedelic. It's really interesting. I'm working on a whole, I'm actually working on a whole article about this kind of stuff. But anyways, the, the morning glory seeds that many people are munching on as I guess a surprising way to spice up their, their gardening day. But it turns out that, that they're actually a pretty potent source of lsa. So I, I would imagine that you know, some of the built in plant defense mechanisms that we would find in some of these seeds and stuff and the amount you'd need to take might dictate that, that finding a reliable source of LSA that's more pure could be a better idea. But it actually is quite interesting that morning glory is a, is a natural source of this, this Lysergia mind, this LSA and even LSD discover Albert Hoffman was a, was a morning glory seed chewer himself. I haven't actually ordered morning glory seeds to kind of like compare them to a microdose of lsa, but it's actually, it's kind of interesting.

Yeah, I don't know if you've seen this anywhere. If you have any information or like willingness. I know we don't want to you know, say too much because of liab, but have you heard of like what even you would like what is the dosing for that? Like obviously like they're microdosing and macro.

Sure. I'm not a doctor, this is not to be considered as medical advice but because I'm not a doctor, I am actually allowed to say this. Typically if you get the seeds, apparently the strain of the Hawaiian baby wood rose seeds is one good way to go. And that would be like four to five of those. Or if you get like morning glory seeds from I don't know, you know, Home Depot or the local gardening store or Amazon or elsewhere, it's apparently like around 20 to 30 seeds that you would chew on. Although if you go to the website where a lot of psychonauts hang out, which is Arrowid E R O W I D seasoned recreational users are reporting chewing on anywhere from 100 to 400 seeds and praising kind of like the, the dreamy and euphoric psychedelic effects. I'm not sure how many seeds would be more like kind of like a microdose, just enhance the, the brain type of effect. But anyways, so. And apparently the only side effect is, is is violent vomiting should you consume too much.

Oh, no worries, no worries. Yeah, well, it's just, it's interesting to me. I mean, I guess I'm so tentative with things, especially like if I'm kind of like locking down in some work or if I'm actually like meeting with people. Because like, for me, as you know, and as listeners know too, that I've done a microdosing protocol for a while now and really enjoy it, I would just be as afraid that I would take too much and end up kind of tripping and I wouldn't want that because obviously that's gonna pull away from potential productivity of things that I have focus on. So. Yeah, yeah, interesting.

But if you don't wanna buy acid tabs in a back alley or high school parking lot, there's a, there's a potential out for you. So. Yeah. And you know, a lot of these compounds, they result in the production of anandamide. Now anandamide is pretty interesting. It's actually a fatty acid neurotransmitter and it's an endocannabinoid similar to what you'd find in cannabis. It binds to cannabinoid receptors and it causes, it's owns the bliss molecule. Right. It causes joy, bliss, delight. And it's actually something that can be supplemented on its own. But it's most well known for its feel good effect in response to the consumption of say cannabis. But the other thing that it causes is almost this craving for having more anandamide. So they can be a little bit of an addictive effect which anybody who has used cannabis knows is one of the reasons that it's difficult stop that particular compound if you're, if you're a hefty or regular user. But the other thing that it has is anyone who has consumed a THC rich source of cannabis is aware of is it can cause munchies, you know, basically appetite cravings. And anandamide is one of the reasons for this. Well, a recent study. It actually isn't a recent study, but it recently came to my attention. It was published in 2012 in the journal of Obesity. There's something else in addition to cannabis that elevates anandamide. And it's really interesting because we've, we've known that, that gluten in wheat, and especially high levels of gluten, as you would find in, like, modern wheat, bred for a higher crop yield, which tends to concentrate a lot of the gliadin and the gluten compounds in that wheat. And those can interact with opioid receptors in your body and cause a little bit of an addictive effect to things like, you know, bread, scones, biscotti, donuts, J, et cetera. But apparently dietary linoleic acid. Acid, right, Such as we would find in vegetable oils like sunflower and safflower and soybean and corn and canola oil, that dietary linoleic acid directly elevates anandamide. And they found that it induced obesity by sparking appetite cravings and almost like this addiction to the consumption of vegetable oils. So it turns out that if you have a high vegetable oil diet, and I've said this many times on the podcast, if you're going to do one thing for your health, don't eliminate sugar, eliminate vegetable oils just because they are what's used to comprise your cell membranes and kind of make up part of your body for months on end after you eat them. Well, it turns out that their addictive potential is related to their ability to act similarly to cannabis in terms of elevation of anandamide and interaction with these endocannabinoid receptors. Isn't that interesting?

Yeah, super interesting. I mean, you know, I think it's one more reason to continue to villainize, at least for now, the high consumption of linoleic acid. Because it sounds like just kind of on so many different facets. This is just some, some dangerous stuff, both physiologically and then also too neurologically.

Yeah, yeah. Or, or on the flip side, if you don't have enough cash in your wallet to afford marijuana, you could just go out and. And guzzle some vegetable oil.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm gonna do.

After this. So there's that and that's why donuts are so addictive. Ch. Jay. Throwing you under the bus for that. Now here's also something interesting related to cannabis and this was an article that came out on Project CBD on women and cannabis. Well, it turns out that in women, and especially older women for whom sometimes libido tends to wane a little bit, some of the research on cannabis shows that it is one of the best, especially in women, not so much in men, because in men it can be a little bit estrogenic, it can be kind of reduce libido a little bit, reduce drive a little bit. And that's because it's kind of a female plant. Cannabis is, and has these estrogen like effects. But in women the effects on orgasm length, pleasure during sex, libido and everything you'd be looking for from a can of sexy standpoint is very much enhanced via the use of cannabis, particularly prior to any type of erotic stimuli. It has what's called a bidirectional or biphasic effect on sexual functioning and even in small doses can increase sensitivity and arousal and so internally, I guess, pun intended in this case I have supplied my wife with a vape pen and a cannabis infused lube and she has absolutely just again pun intended, just exploded in terms of her sexual desire and her sexual pleasure in response to the use of cannabis. And this is coming from a woman, you know, my wife, who's really not interested in much of this stuff at all, but she actually really, really likes to take a hit on a vape pen. Now prior to sex and this, this paper backs up the fact that in women especially, and again not in men, like she'll take a hit and I pass it up because for me like I feel better just basically, you know, having all senses turned on otherwise. But for women especially, cannabis can be amazing for sex. And so if any women are out there, want to kind of like enhance libido, enhance orgasms, particularly like multiple orgasms, orgasm length, etc. These cannabis sex lubes or even some of like the more like the sativa based vape pens and there, there are certain strains that are quite good. Like there's one called Love Potion, there's another one called Voodoo, there's another one they developed called Brace yourself, the Purple Panty Dropper. And, and these are specifically designed for women's sexual enhancements. And yeah, when it comes to juicy sex, it seems that, that cannabis seems to, to turn things up quite a bit.

So yeah, it's like men Go get your ladies some CBD ladies. Get your men a nice juicy ribeye. You're good to go, man.

Man. Yep, exactly. Whereas for me personally, you know, sometimes I'll. I'll, you know, just. Just basically, basically do something that is a little bit more elevating prior to sex. Like sometimes I like this, this kava stuff. It's a little bit more energetic strain of kava. Sometimes I. I just like to have like an afternoon cup of coffee, you know, sometimes any type of blood flow precursor like beetroot. I have a bunch of recipes and boundless for different kind of like, kind of like you have pre workout stacks, pre sex stacks. So I tend to go over something more energetic and I think that works out better for men. But for women, there you have it. And related to that, I've got one more for you. I discovered this guy named Adam Lane Smith. He's got some pretty good articles on his website, but one in particular is how to have more sex in your marriage. How to have more sex in your marriage. How to have way more sex in your marriage is the title of this article that he wrote. And I read the article. I tried the strategy that he outlines in the article and it works like gangbusters.

So here I like that you're doing like infield testing of this stuff then, right?

Yeah, it's very, it's very important that I do personal research on this. So basically it all comes down to this. If. If you want to increase her sex drive by developing emotional intimacy with her through trust and respect, through making her feel more valu and more useful and more secure to keep coming back for sex. Based on this idea that emotional intimacy, especially for women, is a strong aphrodisiac. What you do is if you have a problem, guys, if you have a problem, you go to your woman and you share with her the problem that you are experiencing. You state what you're feeling about that problem. Like, I'm really feeling confused about this or frustrated about this or lost trying to solve this issue. You explain your solution. So, babe, what I'm thinking about doing is xyz. And then you ask for feedback on that solution. Like, so what do you think? What do you think I should do? And I've been, I've been pulling this out on date nights. Not just. I mean, it's not just for sex. Also for conversation and for emotional intimacy. I mean, this isn't just so I can get laid. Clarifier. Basically, this idea of vulnerability seems to turn women into like happy sex leopards so, yeah, I don't know if we're offending women by, you know, with this kind of chatter, but I would hope not. But yeah, guys, if you want your woman to be more turned on and more attracted to you, be highly vulnerable and take problems you're experiencing rather than thinking you're going to annoy her by sharing problems. Share your problem, state your feeling about the problem, explain your solution, then ask for feedback on your solution. And it works. I read the article, I'm like, yeah, everybody knows this. But then I actually tried it intentionally and yeah, it actually works quite quite well.

You know, this really, Ben, it just comes back to the centralized theme that good sex is always surrounded by good communication. And I think one of the things that I've noticed, you know, I learned this obviously in, in schooling and in training, but also too just intuitively and I realize what I'm about to say tends to be controversial for some people, but I'm willing to kind of state science and then also to kind of my own personal beliefs and thoughts in the matter is that so many times communication is impeded, especially from a male perspective, because of porn culture. And what I mean by that is that a lot of men kind of go into this thinking, well, I don't need to communicate. That's not how they do it on porn videos. They just kind of go. And then, you know, magical sex ends up happen. And dude, that's not the way it works. Like, life just doesn't work like, you know, a porn movie. And, you know, some people might argue, you know, kind of for or against porn. I'm not going to say like, you know, that, that your idea or beliefs on it are right or wrong, good, bad. But I do think too that if we kind of get caught up in this idea that, you know, we don't need to communicate, we just kind of do, we just allow it to happen. That's not the case. That's just not the way it works in real world life. When we engage in good quality communication where we're, we're clarifying kind of what we need, they're clarifying what they need, then again, we close the loop on that end and then you just see that there's not as much dysfunctional kind of sex that we're having, but we're actually having good quality sex because we're open, more communicative, and then we help to solve problems instead of just carrying the problems forward. So again, a little bit of a soapbox.

Yeah, you just offended a lot of directors of Highly meaningful and deep pornography videos. And you reminded me of a joke that, that I heard. It goes like this. How many porn stars does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Oh, geez. What's coming after this?

I don't know. I skipped the intro. They try sometimes in in pornography to set up some kind of magical story, but we know that in most cases, people don't pay that much attention to that. And I think I. Porn is just a horrific aspect of society and makes men objectify women and causes dopaminergic issues in the brain and just absolutely cheapens the sacredness of sex. That's my personal view of porn, and I don't go anywhere near the stuff. But anyways, it is. So sorry if I offended anyone with that joke. I in no way endorse porn. I'm not a fan. All right, so anyways, I guess on that note, we should begin to open things up to Q and A from a wonderful audience. What do you think? Think, Jay.

Yeah, man. Excited to hear from them.

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Actually, I raised my hand, hands when you guys were discussing about the sex and stuff. And this is something I've been experiencing and playing with and, you know, trying to master myself. And, and I find that while communication is key between a man and a female for great sex, I feel like what I discovered for myself, that's a mechanism and the, the key essence is really trust, right? The communication is a vehicle or a mechanism for deep trust. And I find that the deep trust really is sort of the bedrock or the foundation of just incredible intimacy and sex. Just wanted to get some thoughts on that.

I, I guess the answer would be yes, I'm sure if I have anything else to add to that. Jay, you got anything?

Yeah, yeah. You know, I think one of the things that probably you and I were implying then with this conversation on communication is that communication is the thing that leads to the bedrock, that is trust and respect and dignity for the other individual. So, yeah, I, I appreciate the comment. I'm not sure if there was a question there, but I do fully agree.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's a great thought and kind of backs up we were saying, Steve. So, yes, I guess kind of like a brief head nod to, to those thoughts. And I, I totally agree that trust is absolutely essential for intimacy and in many cases, just trust overall, being in a set and setting where you feel safe, anyone who has gone through a stressful incident or tried to, let's say, pop up from a busy workday, as guys like me who have a home office are prone to do for a quickie, unquote, if you, or if your brain is still hardwired into work and busyness and some of the fear and running from a lion that sometimes a state like that can produce it, it flies in the face of, of getting it up. That's for sure. So great thoughts. Let's, let's, let's go ahead and bring somebody else up. First time talker, long time listener. I just have signed up for my first obstacle relay race and have my children engaging as well and want to know what tips that you suggest for training children as well as, you know, biohacking to make sure that I'm 100% ready and prepared for this. Great, great question. So my kids, my kids did a ton of everything from triathlons to Spartan races growing up. They're a little bit more into like jiu jitsu and tennis now. But I can tell you a few of the things that I did and that I do with them. First of all, extensively, until they were about 7 or 8 years old, I had them doing animal flow exercises, meaning coming with me to a park and following me and often mom around the park in almost like a follow the leap leader type of approach. And we used wonderful books and resources. Particularly one that comes to mind that we used quite a bit was Darrell Edwards and some of his books on paleo movements and animal flow. And all we would do is we would go through the park for like a half hour, crawling on our hands and knees, backwards, crawling, crab crawling, alligator walking, balancing on park benches and fences and posts, picking up objects like rocks or logs that we'd find and carrying them on our back, picking each other up and carrying them around. And we would go on walks as a family. But rather than just walking, the kids would follow us through these different animal flow exercises. And it was kind of fun because mom and I would do them too. So early on, I love the concept of animal flow. The next thing is that I built in our backyard a bunch of different obstacles for the kids to play on. And I made them big enough so that adults could play in them. Them too. So I had balance logs, I had horizontal ropes. I not had, I have vertical climbing ropes, monkey bars and log weave. What else did we build? A short wall for climbing, A high wall for climbing. As a matter of fact, I don't talk about this too much, but another guy who races in obstacle course racing named Hunter McIntyre, he and I had a podcast for a while called Obstacle Document Dominator. If you go to obstacledominator.com One of the things that we made as a part of that podcast was like a create your own obstacle course ebook where I, I saved all of the construction materials and all of the diagrams and layouts for how you can yourself or how you can hire a contractor to build this stuff and kind of litter it throughout your backyard. And if you have stuff there, I found that you build it and they will come like toss that mousetrap in your backyard. Hopefully not an actual mousetrap. And the kids will head out and play on it if it's there. So we had that erected in the backyard. Of course, anytime I'd go to a spartan race or a triathlon, I would sign the kids up for the kids version and take them along with me. And then finally, still, because I love to foster this idea of natural functional movement for a young man or a young woman, every Sunday night I sit down to a shared Google Docs that that's literally now hundreds of pages long because I've been been producing every week on this Google Doc for like the past four years. And I write out the physical education hoops that my boys are to jump through for that week. And it includes everything from breathwork protocols to ice to sauna, to different workouts that I'll have for them. For example, you know, their, their workout this week, one of them is pick up a 60 pound sandbag, carry it down to the bottom of the driveway. Driveway. And then back up the driveway at the top of the driveway when you've got the 60 pound sandbag all the way up to the top of the driveway, do 30 burpees and do three rounds of that, right? So I always choose workouts that the boys can do in about 20 minutes or so. So it's down the driveway, up the driveway, 30 burpees and they go through that three times and then they finish with one round of Wim Hof and two minutes in the ice tub. And so I weave stuff like that in throughout the entire year. And this document, it's literally got like hundreds of. I should turn it into a book sometime. It's got hundreds of kids workouts in it. From breath work to heat and sauna, to cold pool to meditation to different functional exercises and being able to sit down as a parent and just take whatever knowledge is inside your head of what kind of workouts that are gonna, that your kids are gonna like and that kind of fit into your property or your backyard or your home or nearby park. And then what I do, because both of my, both of my boys now they've got Gmail address addresses is I just share that document with them on Sunday night and they see everything that they're supposed to do. And the only final thing that's an understanding between them and I is in the morning they figure out what time of day they're going to do the workout and then they tell dad so that in case I have the ability, I join in with them as part of the workout. Because, you know, a lot of times I'm working out anyways during the day and if I can do it with my, with my sons, all the better, you know, and then we just hook up a Bluetooth speaker and, and, and jam on some music and all work out together. So those are, those are a few of, of the little things that, that I do with river and Taran that have kind of like, you know, allowed them to build up skills and everything from like animal flow movements to obstacle course racing to, to breath to heat to cold and beyond. So hopefully that gives you a few ideas. Jay, you got anything to add in?

Yeah, my, I don't think my 3 year old or my 14 month old are quite ready for a Spartan, but maybe next year. I don't even know what age do they start that, Ben? Because I'm serious, I'll get them in. It's probably about five or six.

Oh. River and Terrence started doing their, their first triathlons when they were four and Spartan races by the time they were, they were six or seven. I mean they, they, they scale these for everything from like a quarter mile to two miles. You know, like mini triathlons all the way up to like almost sprint distance triathlons. And so, so yeah, there's plenty out there for kids.

That's awesome. Yeah. And so if I heard Daniel correctly, I believe he is also talking about doing this himself. And, and again, if I heard correctly for his first time, one of the things that I would say because I've worked with so many elite athletes and a lot of people who are Doing more like functional training as well as who are doing obstacle course racing. And I just again, like, I know again, I'm not picking on you, Daniel, but I know you said kind of like, what are the, what are the biohacks you might recommend? And there obviously are things that Ben and I would recommend in that area, but I would say just again, getting down the foundational basics, like not over training, not overreaching. Utilizing your data and biometrics to kind of indicate when your nervous system has had a little bit too much or maybe you could kind of ramp it up a little bit through the use of different heart rate variability metrics. So kind of my big go to is utilizing like elite HRV as a good way to kind of spot test in the morning. HRV for training is another really good one. And then the other thing would just be like, I know it sound like a. Like I'm being a dead horse here, which I kind of am. But it's kind of my frame of reference right now is just protecting the body in any way that you can. Yeah, that means allowing for recovery. Recovery. But the biggest thing that I see, and this is myself included in people who are high performers is that the first thing that tends to go or the thing that they tend to look over more than anything is protecting their knees. And again, I know I sound like a broken record, but that's, that's a huge one I think, for obstacle course racers because over time, again, when they compound their training over and over and over again, like their weak. Their knees just give out. And it's something that for a lot of people, like they don't realize it's going to happen until it happens. And that's how it was for me with tennis. And I'm kind of working now to really strengthen that area up. But I would say that's just one thing. Just make sure you're protecting yourself. Make sure that you're recovering the way that you should be recovering. And kind of the biohack in that is just using your data, not really a biohack. It's just using common sense. So that's my two cents I have. I know that's not really kid friendly on that end, but for Daniel, for you running an obstacle race, definitely useful.

Yeah. One other thing I'd throw in there is that the number one thing, thing that I found to be most beneficial for obstacle course racers when I work with them is this idea that it throws people for a loop when you have not yet experienced the requirement to be able to Run and then lift something or hang from something or do some more intense physical activity, then get back into efficient running form again. So the best form of obstacle course training would include at least a weekly session session where you are running for anywhere from, you know, 400 to 1500 meters, stopping, doing something heavy like deadlifts, overhead press, sandbag carry, farmer walk, you name it, and then going straight back into running while you're still tired without walking. And that adds up over the course of a race in terms of time savings because the people who do the poorest and obstacle course racing are the people who run, run, run, and then they get to the first obstacle, then they gotta walk for like a quarter mile after because they're gas from that obstacle, obstacle. But if you train yourself to just start running, buffer lactic acid efficiently, and be able to transition from lifting to running back and forth, back and forth, that's probably the best skill you can have in your back pocket for obstacle course racing, in my opinion.

And learn how to throw a spear. Teach your kids how to throw a spear, because that one screws everybody over.

Learn how to throw a spear and an axe and a rock while you're true, these all will come in handy during the zombie apocalypse. Anyways. All right, let's, let's go ahead and bring somebody else up to stage.

Hey Ben, thank you so much for having this. And I've been a follower for quite a long time and I did have a couple questions. One is, have you experienced any or do you have any experience with supplements that increase NAD? So I know Coq10 you speak about L, tryptophan and rhodiola. I use those three. And I was wondering if you took like a specific supplement to increase that or if you did it more naturally through food. And the other supplemental, I guess supplemental question is I love how you hit on the morning glory seeds. Do you have experience with any other plant teachers when it comes to those type of, I guess, spirits?

Two great questions. And first of all, if you go back, Elena or anyone else and listen to podcast number 430, I believe it was our last clubhouse Q and A. I talked about these NAD salvage pathways and how to increase the recycling of NAD more efficiently in your body, rather than me repeating everything that I said in that episode, I would highly recommend that you go back and listen to that episode@BenGreenfieldFitness.com 430 Now, a few things I could tell you to tell you that I did not mention during that episode is certain natural compounds that could increase your NAD without you necessarily supplementing with NR or NMN or NAD or any of these other variants of a compound that's been shown to have a potent anti aging and DNA repair effect. I think that the benefits of any NAD source for boosting energy levels and reversing the aging process and lengthening health span and, and assisting with workouts and reducing the risk of many chronic diseases, it's pretty profound. So I'm sold on increasing cellular NAD levels, but let's say that you are supplementing and you want a little bit more or you can't afford supplementation and you want to just go the natural route. Whatever your reasons may be. First of all, nicotinamide riboside, which is the key ingredient in NAD supplements that was actually first discovered in milk. In milk. And so if you can tolerate dairy products, and that would include fermented raw dairy or even non cow based dairy products in smaller amounts like goat milk or water buffalo milk or camel milk or something like that, Although cow milk seems to have the highest amount of NR precursors, you can include that in your diet. NR is also found in fermented foods, particularly in beer. So again, if you have access to like good beer from grain sources that you can tolerate and a beer isn't something that messes up your gut, I'm not necessarily endorsing going all Homer Simpson on your NAD levels, but beer can actually be one other way to increase NR levels naturally. Now, niacin rich foods, niacin can be converted into something of these NAD molecules pretty efficiently as well. And there are foods with pretty high levels of niacin. Tuna is good. Chicken, turkey, salmon. Right. So any of these things you would get in a meat based diet, they're good sources of niacin from a vegetable standpoint. So is broccoli, carrots, mushrooms, sweet potatoes, kale, cauliflower and tomatoes. So you could include any of those niacin rich foods in your diet or even because it's a little bit less explanation expensive supplement with niacinamide, which also gets converted pretty well in the last podcast on NAD salvage pathways, like allowing yourself to recycle NAD better. I also talked about the importance of vitamin B. B like boy. And many of the foods that contain B vitamins can also be useful to include. And you know, that would include things again like, like turkey, for example, is a meat source. It's very high, high in B vitamins. Broccoli, which I already mentioned, is also pretty high. And then sweet potatoes, some nuts, brown rice, eggs. So anything that's heftier in B vitamins. We also know fasting can increase NAD somewhat. Sauna can increase NAD somewhat. Lifting weights, particularly from an exercise standpoint, is one of the best ways to increase nad. Vitamin D and sunlight exposure can help to raise NAD levels, particularly in fat cells. And so vitamin D supplementation or exposure to sunlight can help out. Anything with resveratrol in it can raise NAD levels, particularly in your mitochondria. And we would find that in things like blueberries and grapes and red wine. So now you can double fist, you know, have a glass of red wine and a beer simultaneously and you'll never need NAD IV again. Leucine, such as you would find in amino acid supplements that also can not only activate sirtuin enzymes to help out with the DNA repair that NAD is already giving you, but it can can help to boost NAD production too. So that would also be something to throw into the mix. So hopefully that gets your wheels turning about different things you could include to naturally increase nad. Jay, you have any others that you would throw in?

Yeah, I mean you kind of highlighted everything. But my three biggies, especially kind of just more from a natural, holistic perspective would be exercise, different dietary changes like fasting, short term keto, ketosis as well. And then my, my biggest one, you know, and Rhonda Patrick has hit on this a lot, would just be, would just be sauna. And you know, the other thing that I do, again, I wouldn't consider this, you know, more of kind of like a natural way of doing it, but I guess you could argue that it is, it's just, I love just ingesting just kind of more like small dose transient nad. So my biggest thing is I use that peak gum from Craig Conover and that stuff is just frickin amazing, especially from the cognitive performance. Again, a little bit more on, on the not. So I guess I don't know if I consider that natural or not so natural. Just different than what we're, what we're discussing. But yeah, those are my main ones.

Okay, cool, cool. And then onto the second part of the question, you know, because we talked about like morning glory and those Hawaiian baby rood rose seeds as pretty potent sources of lsa. Choose also asking about other kind of like natural ways that we could introduce, you know, psychoactives into the diet without necessarily, you know, going to the, again, the high school parking lot or the back alley and buying a acid. And yeah, there are a few interesting ones. First of all, one of my favorite guys whose brain I Pick about this is Dr. Nick from Essential Oil Wizardry because he has all these lucid dreaming compounds and essential oils for both vaping as well as oral administration and topical administration that in many cases places are designed to either enhance a plant medicine experience or allow you to get many of those anandamide or other effects without necessarily using, you know, a substance that you might not be able to get your hands on. So check out my podcast with Dr. Nick of Essential Oil Wizardry. But but a few that he turned me on to and a few also that I found. One is a Salvia divinorum that's known as Sage of the Diviners. And you can get it as like an oral essential oil oil and it produces a, a very fast acting almost like a, like a psychoactive experience. It targets the opioid receptors in the brain and it causes dopamine to drop a little bit. But for something like that, a combination of plant medicines or use prior to a meditation session or breath work session, that one's pretty good. So, Sylvia, Divinorum, not too hard to get your hands on. And that'd be one to, to look into. Another one would be if, if you can find it and, and it's not impossible to find. There's a certain type of honey called Himalayan red honey and it's also known as, as mad honey. It's, it's like this hallucinogen that they get from bees that primarily harvest different rhododendron flowers and they process it into these hives that are just like chock full of, of psychoactive honey. And so it's called mad honey. And I actually haven't bought mad honey yet, but it's known as Himalayan red honey and you can actually find it. And so that'd be another one to look into. Although the euphoria and hallucinations that it causes are induced primarily by a neurotoxin called grayanotoxin. And so you would want to be very careful with this and use it in smaller amounts. But preferably nutmeg, which I briefly alluded to, that's actually, it's got myristicin in it and that's a natural compound that blocks the action of acetylcholine and it breaks down into a substance that's basically very similar to Ecstasy called mmda. And so nutmeg, typically the equivalent of a couple. What do you call, Jay, what do you call nutmeg? Is it cloves? Like is.

No, I'm not sure.

Like a piece of nutmeg. Why am I Blanking. What do you call nutmeg? It's a. I think it's like a piece of, you know, like. Like what, what do you call now? I feel like an idiot. It's, you know, it's like, it's like a seed, you know, like if you were to get a whole hard piece.

Of nutmeg is a seed.

Yeah. Okay, so it's the equivalent of like a few seeds of nutmeg, basically. You don't, you don't need a whole lot, believe it or not. You can grind it, you can turn into a spice and, and nutmeg again, particularly when combined with cinnamon, which helps to inhibit some of the enzymes that would cause the MMDA to disappear more quickly from your bloodstream. It can also be a good one. And when you combine it with myrrh, and this is related to a big article that I'm working on, it enhances that effect even more. So myrrh, nutmeg, and cinnamon blended all together is a pretty good mix. So you've got that. What else? As something for pain killing or with an opioid, like effect. I feel like a druggie on today's podcast, but I guess that's kind of like the theme of today's show. Wild lettuce actually has a very similar effect to opium poppies. And you can get wild lettuce tea or make wild lettuce tea with a much lower risk of addiction due to the absence of actual opium itself. And that would be another one to stock in the pantry along with the nutmeg and the mad Himalayan bee honey. And then finally, one that's super interesting is Blue Lotus. That's a water lily. It has this psychoactive alkaloid in it called aporphine. And you'll find it in all these ancient Egyptian art carvings and paintings. And it produces psychoactive effects and sedation and euphoria and also libido enhancing and sexually stimulating effects. Usually you would consume Blue Lotus, also known as Blue Lily, in the form of a tea. Dr. Dr. Nick sells it as an oil. I like to sometimes vape a little bit of organic tobacco and a touch of cannabis. And I'll put a few drops of Blue Lotus and a few drops of nutmeg essential oil in there. And it's actually quite a pleasurable little mix to vaporize. And the interesting thing is that I first learned about Blue Lotus as a fragrance because when I was down in LA once at this place called the Human Garage, I think we actually talk about it in a podcast I do with Them that you might be able to find find on my website. I don't think they exist anymore. But I remember I was there and somebody was talking about using Blue Lotus as a fragrance. And they said like male dogs in the neighborhood were like coming up and like humping their legs when they, they had this Blue Lotus fragrance on. And I actually have some fragrance and Blue Lotus fragrance, it's just Dr. Nick's essential oil that I apply to my neck like prior to date nights for example. And my wife really likes the aroma. Aroma, let's just say that. And for both men and women, it's like an aphrodisiac like fragrance that you can wear this Blue Lotus. So those are just a few little ideas for you. So hopefully that, that, that gives you, gives you just a, a little bit of fuel for, for toying around with a few of these things. And of course I would recommend that any of these type of compounds are appropriate, approached with an acknowledgment of the sacred intelligence of plants, with an acknowledgment that these things weren't just put on this planet by God to be used willy nilly to spin up or spin down dials in our brain, but in most cases should either be A, used in small to moderate amounts for enhancing mental function or as like a nootropic to enhance productivity, focus, creativity, etc. Which is my number one use for, for these type of things. B, for enhancing something like a sexual experience or a meditative experience or a breathwork experience with someone else or even, you know, for something like breath work or meditation by yourself in a, in a very intentional manner. And then see in very occasional instances, if you use something like plant medicine based journeys for personal breakthroughs or for introspection or for, for, you know, or for partner connectivity or anything like that, then these can be used to enhance that type of experience. And even that, you know, I'm one of those guys who's on board with say Jamie Wheel and this concept of hedonic calendaring, meaning that, you know, the use of something like a plant medicine journey would be, for example, something that, you know, a young man or woman who is going through a rite of passage into adulthood might do. And then perhaps again like on your wedding night with your lover and then maybe again when you turn 40 years old, like we're talking about like every few years doing something like this and not being that person who's like their 38th ayahuasca retreat. And so I think that very few and far between should be the heftier use of these compounds. I think many people overuse these type of things or don't recognize that something like a journey might be a once in a lifetime or very seldomly in a lifetime type of experience. And I wish more people would kind of approach these type of heavier uses of such compounds with that mentality, if that makes sense. So Jay, you got anything to throw in?

Yeah, admittedly this is not an area or there's parts at least of this discussion. That's not an area that I have a ton of knowledge and education on. However, my quick Google search, 32nd Google search, I found this really interesting article, Ben, that we might could link to in the study in the show Notes, but it's called it's actually in the Journal of Current Neuropharmacology and the study was published in 2017 and it's titled Herbal Highs Review on Psychoactive Effects and Neuro and Neuropharmacology. And basically it's looking at the different trends of utilizing kind of more commonplace plants or herbals, herbal medicines that have like partial or at least contain some level of psychoactive substances. And so you know, they talk about the effects of things like Ayahuasca. Yes. But then also they go into things like you know, morning glory seeds and they go into like Christmas vine and Christmas pops snake plant, just these different kind of, I guess you could say more common or maybe uncommon psychoactive plants or at least plants have psychoactive properties. Very in depth review, peer reviewed article here again, 2017 herbal highs. So yeah, kind of cool.

Great title for a paper, Herbal Highs always. We'll link to that in the show Notes will link to everything that we talk about in today's podcast over at BenGreenfieldFitness.com 431 now we are approaching the end of today's show and that's probably the last question that we'll have time to get into. But we also want to give away a goodie. Now if you like this show, go find it wherever you listen to podcasts and leave a review. And if you leave a review and we really like it and we read it on the show show, then we'll send you a handy dandy gear pack with a cool Ben Greenfield fitness tech shirt, a BPA free water bottle, a cool little beanie which will come in quite handy if you're living in the 107 degree heat wave that many western states are currently in. There's nothing like a beanie to enhance that sauna process even more. But anyways, if you hear us read your review on the show, just email gearngreenfieldfitness.com Let us know your T shirts up. We get a package out to you if we read your review on the show. So Jay, you got a review you want to take away?

Definitely got one. So this one is from Scarletina79, who titled this review as Stellar. She he says, ben, I seriously cannot thank you enough for all of the hard work that you put into your podcast. They are outstanding. I've been binge listening to them and learning so much, much thank you exclamation point. Praying hands emoji or thankful hands emoji?

Hands emoji. Is it actually praying? I can never tell. Sometimes I'll text someone and tell them I'm going to pray for them and include the praying hands emoji. But then sometimes somebody will do something really nice for me and I'll also put it in there as like a kind of like a. Oh, thank you, thank you.

I think it goes both ways. I think it's a praying hand emoji if you kind of specify it that way or kind of makes sense within context and then also a thank you.

Emoji or just a hello, but I'm not going to touch you because of COVID emoji.

It could be that as well. I think just invented something new, kind.

Of like the fist bump. All right, well, that was a fun show. And for those of you who want the show notes again, they're going to be at BenGreenfieldFitness.com 431What was the name of that person left the review? Jay Scarlettina 79 all right, Scarlettina 79, email Gear@ Bengreenfield Fitness with your T shirts size and we'll hook you up. For the rest of you, the the best thing you can do to support this show is go, go leave it a review or a ranking pop in. Leave your questions, your comments, your feedback, your own tips to add on anything from, well, I guess having more sex in your marriage to bliss producing oils to morning glory seeds@bengreenfieldfitness.com 431 and I think we're gonna wrap it up. Thanks for all you who joined us live on Clubhouse and thanks for showing up. Thanks for asking the wonderful, wonderful thought stimulating questions. And Jay, I'll catch you on the flip side, man.

Sounds good, brother.

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