Read Yourself Like A Book, Figure Out Exactly What Makes You Tick & Increase Your Potential For Meaningful Personal Interactions: How Human Design Works With Luis Portillo.

On this episode of the Ben Greenfield.

Fitness Podcast, the word invitation resonates a lot with the projector because they are here to guide us, but they need their investors.

Going with your gut can be foolhardy versus checking Google Maps, for example. So, I mean, where do you draw the line using your gut, not using your mind?

Where is your openness? Where is your conditioning? That is basically, we all say that, but how we say it and how we integrate it and examples, etc. We're all different.

Hey, so the podcast you're about to hear might sound a little bit woo because we're getting into this whole, like, personality typing, human design stuff. And so what I've done to really help you out so you can better wrap your hand around your head around this is after I finish the interview here with Luis Portillo. What you're going to hear after that is I'm going to transition the podcast. You're going to get to hear the entire reading that Luis did with me so you can better understand, like, what a reading actually sounds like and how it goes and what a guy like me learns from doing something like this. Because I feel like my podcast with Luis was good, but it still needs something for you to be able to get your head really wrapped around what a human design reading sounds like and looks like. So when it sounds like my interview with Luis is ending today, then keep hanging onto the podcast because after that you're going to get to hear his actual reading with me. So. Should be pretty cool. This stuff has been helping me out a lot. So despite me not fully understanding it, but I hope it makes your life a little bit better somehow, because God made us all different with different unique talents and gifts and skills. And this is a pretty cool way to figure out what those are, using the power of planetary readings and a whole bunch of other stuff. So check it out. Here we go. Well, folks, my wife and my sons and I all went through this process recently called a human human design reading. I know that sounds kind of like tarot cards or something like that, or palm reading, but this was really interesting. So I was having dinner with a friend of mine who recommended to me that I look into this concept of human design as a way to know more about yourself. Almost similar to like a strength finder assessment or an enneagram or something like that, but far different in that it takes a lot deeper dive into our decision making processes and how we tick and how we interact with other people. She recommended of all the different people who could do a human design Reading for me initially, I did one I thought was so amazing, I had my whole family do it as well. She recommended this guy named Luis Portillo. Louis, am I pronouncing your last name correctly? Is it Portillo? Portillo.

Portillo.

Portillo. All right, I got it. And do you like Luis or Luis?

Luis is. Okay. Okay.

All right. These are probably all things I should have sorted before the show, but I didn't. I'm lazy. So anyways, this. This human design process with Luis was so amaz, mind blowing. Like how he's able to read me like a book. Armed with very little knowledge besides like my birth location and my birth time and my birth date, I had to get into the nitty gritty of how this works. So I'm just super curious. And Luis is the guy who knows this stuff inside and out. I used to work as a lawyer at an international corporate law firm. Luis did on the Mexican side of the Tijuana San Diego, California border. And then he relocated to Puerto Vallarta and Nayarit, Mexico, where he started to investigate and explore all these different forms of self knowledge, like meditation and breath work and sweat lodges and tapping and reiki and transpersonal psychology. And his journey led him also to this concept of human design. And he. He had his own human design reading. I'll let him tell you his story back in 2010. And since then he's. He's taken a deep dive. So. So, Luis, welcome to the show.

Thank you very much, Ben, for the invitation. Happy to be here and to share what I know and our experience also. Cool.

Cool. Well, I mean, it sounds like you had kind of an interesting journey before you actually got to the point where you discovered human design. So how did you find this stuff out?

I sure did. Like I mentioned, I'm a lawyer or I used to practice law at a corporate law firm. And then I took a sabbatical and I went to Nayarit and Jalisco, which is in the Pacific coast of Central Mexico. And then I discovered I wanted to know myself. And I discovered the sweat lodges and tipi ceremonies, breath work, like you mentioned, transpersonal psychology and all of these tools. And then I discovered through a reading, human design. And that was the first time that something clicked that was. That 100% resonated with me. I mean, all of the other elements I mentioned, they were beneficial in some way or another. And human design was like, spot on. Yeah. Oh, this guy knows me when I had my reading done.

Okay, so you had a guy down in. Down in Mexico Do a reading for you?

Exactly.

Okay.

I had a. He did my reading and I was like, first I didn't understand what I was getting into. I'm like, I've already had my natal chart done and numerology and this and that. But I'm like, okay, there's nothing to lose.

Yeah, I'd also done some of that stuff, by the way. Sorry to interrupt. Before I met with you, I'd done a lot of that stuff, but this, this one seemed the most accurate. So anyway, sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.

Yes. No, no, no problem. And he started talking about me, about my type. And type is about how our electromagnetic field interacts with others. And Maya, type, it's called reflector. And he mentioned. So you're like a mirror, you're sensitive and others might consider you lazy or that you cannot keep up with the energy of others, like the physical energy of others to work and this and that. All, all of these characteristics that were 100% spot on. I didn't tell this guy anything, just my date of birth and time and place and that was it. And I was hooked. I started to work with him, to learn from him. And I had some contacts in radio and television. So we did a tour. I was just really there as listening and learning and I got into it. I loved it. And ever since, I have practiced human design, trained in human design and still learning. Every day we discover something. And this is a never ending process of self discovery. And I really enjoy it and love to share it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's super interesting. So I guess it kind of begs the question. Everybody's wondering now, so. And we have time to get into this. So you can, you can give me as long a reply as you want. I'll interrupt you for clarification if necessary. But what is human design? Explain this to me.

Human design is a logical system. It is a new logical system and it combines ancient knowledge and modern knowledge. Ancient knowledge, like we mentioned, astrology is one element of human design. We also use the I Ching or the book of mutations from the Chinese. We also use the Hindu Brahmin chakra system and also Kabbalah, the tree of life of Kabbalah. So this is the esoteric aspect of human design. And some people, when they hear this.

They'Re like, yeah, like a lot of.

People, Louise, they don't know what half that stuff is that you just listed off. It sounds like it's a mashup of a whole bunch of different charting and personality typing systems. But I mean like, who, who came up with this, who mashed all this stuff up together and decided to call it human design.

A guy from Canada, his name was RA Uruhu. He. He wasn't interested in astrology or anything like that. He was a. A music producer, he was a businessman. And he was in the island of Ibiza in Spain. And he downloaded this information. So this sounds like science fiction because he downloaded this information that he has a testimony on YouTube, he calls it encounter with the voice. So he thought he went crazy. He's like, what is this voice telling me? And this voice, or in this download, told him about astrology, the I Ching, our genetic code. Because human design also integrates genetics and quantum physics. So, for example, this, in the download, the voice told them about neutrinos. Neutrinos. This, this was in 1987. In 1987, the boys told them about neutrinos, which are subatomic particles that have mass, a small amount of Mass. And in 1987, for science, neutrinos did not have mass officially. So it wasn't until the early 90s that some Japanese scientists discovered that neutrinos have mass. So the neutrinos, they emanate from the sun and other stars, so they have mass, they carry information. This information connects with planets, then with us. So we are bombarded. We are in this stream of neutrinos. And that's why we have certain characteristics. And according to our day, month, year and time and place of birth, the neutrinos imprint us differently. So with human design, we are able to read and to see the imprint of the neutrino stream in our body, in our body, and also obviously in our mind.

When you say this guy got this through like a download, do you mean was he like doing ayahuasca? Was this a plant medicine based vision? Did he just randomly just have these voices in his head or do you know exactly how that shook down?

He. No, it was natural. It was a shock to his nervous system. So he felt numb, he felt paralyzed when the voice was speaking. And this guy didn't believe in anything, not religious, he wasn't on ayahuasca or any psychedelics. It was just this voice for eight days and eight nights continuously, when the voice was speaking, he was writing things. And the voice told him, grab this book. It could be the Old Testament, grab this book. And it was the I Ching, this Chinese ancient book of more than 3,000 years old and the Tree of Life and Kabbalah and the Big Bang. So it was this whole download, this Guy Ra Uru Hu, that was his name. After this experience, he was extremely intelligent. He was above average iq and he was able to download this information and to share it, but he thought this was just that. He went crazy. But then he started to experiment with what this download told him and it worked. It is practical information. We do not have to believe in it. Here we experiment with it in human design. We give tools to personally individually experiment with these tools for decision making. If you ask me, well, what's the benefit of this self knowledge and on the practical level to make correct decisions according to our own blueprint to our own design.

Yeah, well I'm super skeptical about the origins of it because it's always interesting when you hear that somebody just had some vision and something was downloaded to him. But yet for me, as a man of faith, as a Christian, there's stuff like that in the Bible all the time. So who am I to say that somebody's not going to get something revealed to them like this. And of course the fact that it read me like a book was what I found absolutely crazy. So it starts with you getting the birth time you had me give and my sons and my wife, the same thing. The birth time, like what time we were born at the birth location, the birth dates, you know, I had to go get my birth certificate and show you the place I was born and the year, the day, the time. I forget what time I was born. I think it was like 7am or something like that. But anyway, so what do you do with all that information once I give you all that? Why do you need the birth time and the birth location and the birth date?

One of the elements is astrology. So with our birth date we track the position, the planets in that precise moment. So we use a software, initially it was done, it was done manually, but now we use a software and we do it in seconds. So this chart as you as you have seen, has triangles, has squares, has figures, has numbers, symbols. So that's why we need your date of birth to chart where the planets were and how they impact your individual design.

So, so everybody, when they're born, the planets are in a certain type of alignment. And you're saying that, that when the planets are in a certain type of alignment, it'll influence kind of like the characteristics or the, the, the, the, the interpersonal or extra personal intelligence or the way people interact with somebody else. Like all that can be influenced by how the planets are aligned when you're born.

We go back to neutrinos also so neutrinos impact the planets, the planets receive that information. It bounces, let's say it bounces off the planet. Then it comes to us on Earth and to our body. And that's why we have certain characteristics. Some of us can be more emotional than others, or more mind oriented or intuition oriented. So that's when we look at the chart, individual chart. Each chart is different. There could be similar charts, but how we experience the energy of the chart is always different. Like in twins, for example.

Yeah, I know. Well, my twins wound up being pretty similar. It wasn't a whole lot different between them. Didn't surprise me. Like they're very, very similar, these twins. But just to back up here just a sec, neutrinos, these are like, I think they're called the ghost particle in physics. And then there's like trillions of neutrinos, but apparently a lot of them are produced by the sun and the rest of them are produced by other stars in the galaxy. And what you're saying is that the way that these particles, these neutrino particles happen to be traveling at the time that you're born, that's actually like all of them carry information, you know, in the same way that photons, we know, based on some principles of quantum physics, can be, you know, information packets, you're saying, so can neutrinos. And when you're born, the type of neutrinos you're exposed to can dictate, like your, your, your nature, the forms of interaction, the way that, the way that you're designed to a certain extent.

Exactly. Okay, there is a new, a neutrino stream. So when we were born, we, we map, we chart what energy that neutrino stream had, what information it had, and how that resonates with us, how that gives us our unique design.

Okay, got it, got it. And so from what I understand there, there's kind of like four different designs that people are born with. Is that correct?

That is correct.

Okay, can you get into what those four different types are?

There are four different types. Two of the types. One of the types is called manifestor. So when we talk about types, we are talking about our aura or our electromagnetic field. So there are four electromagnetic fields, four type of auras in humanity. One is called the manifestor. Manifestors are about 8% of the population.

Okay. And that's my wife, by the way. My wife was a manifestor.

Exactly. The aura of the manifestor is closed, it is tight, it is repelling. The manifestor is the only aura type that is here to initiate action. They are here to take the initiative. The other three types which we will look at, they need to wait for others to initiate them. The manifester is here, like I said, like 8% of the population. They are here to inform others before they are going to act. They need to give us information. They can be extremely misunderstood because they are very independent organically. They are independent. They are here, for example, as children, that they need manifesto. Children need more spaces, more permissions, or more permits to wander around, to feel more free.

Right, because they're initiators, they're not responders. So manifestors are almost the people who are coming up with the ideas.

Exactly. They are here to initiate. They are here, they want peace at the end of the day, they want to be left alone and to be able to be at peace, to not be interfered. That's great for manifest, or when they are not interfered and we let them be themselves.

Okay, all right, so we got the manifester. What are the other ones?

One of the other types is called generators. Here there's a subtype which is called manifesting generator. So we have generators and manifesting generators. They are the majority of humanity. 70%, more or less, is a generator.

Yeah, and I was a generator, by the way. My wife was a manifesto, I was a generator, and both of my sons were those manifesting generators. Which obviously doesn't come as a surprise.

Exactly. You are a pure generator. You have the. To be a generator. You have the sacral center or the sexual chakra, ovaries, testes, center for reproduction, for fertility, for creativity. 24, 7. On. It is always on, since the beginning, since you took your first breath. You are here to create, to know yourself. But the thing is, the generator and manifesting generators, they are not here to initiate action, because that is the role of the manifesto. So let's say we go to a training, a seminar, and they tell us, and we are generators, and they tell us, just do it, go for it, initiate, you can do it. We will be pumped after the seminar. But when we engage in those activities and try to initiate action and go after things without waiting, we encounter resistance, interference, and we can feel frustrated and then we can quit as generators because we didn't follow our correct strategy each time.

Because our strategy should be to respond, not to initiate.

Right, Exactly. The manifestor initiates. The generator strategy is to wait and respond. It doesn't mean that you're going to be laying in bed scratching your belly. No, it means that the generator is going to be active in Whatever they love to do and available because they will be receiving stimulation from the outside. You will be receiving invitations, questions, recognition, other will stimulate you to get into action. So they will start your engine, others from the outside. But when you think you. You need to initiate, that's when frustration can come in, which is a theme for generators operating, operating incorrectly, frustration versus when you are operating correctly, satisfaction.

Yeah, that was a big takeaway for me. When you were going through my generator chart with me was this idea that what I should do, for example, when I walk into a room, I don't necessarily do as well with initiating conversations as much as kind of going into the room, getting settled in, and then waiting for someone to come to me to begin to respond to them. Otherwise, I can get frustrated if I'm trying to initiate a conversation or initiate an action. You also told me that as a responder, I also should do well listening to my gut or listening to my heart more. Can you get into what you meant by that when it comes to the Generator being somebody who does better with making decisions from their gut versus making decisions from their heart?

Exactly. Well, the generator has this sacral center defined always on, so it makes sounds. Before we were able to articulate words, way back then, we made groans, naturally. Groans and moans and. Mm. Mm. So generators are connected to this ancient part aspect of our DNA, and you connect through those sounds, guttural sounds from your gut. And as you probably know, gut, divine and gut, they have a similar root. So when our gut is speaking, also divinity might be speaking through us, or as we say in human design, our inner authority. The inner authority, for example, for you, Ben, is to listen to your gut, to respond and to listen to the sounds, the guttural sounds that you make. Huh?

Yeah, that was one thing. That was one thing that was interesting. You told me, like, when I'm having conversations, I should actually be making noises like that. Like, huh? Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Because that helps me maintain a better connection with my gut and the signals that it might be telling me.

So you are. You are attuned with your inner authority, with your body, with your body's intelligence, with your gps. And then you are with the correct people in the right place at the right time when you follow that. Because if you follow your mind, I'm looking here at your chart, Ben, and you have a defined mind, which means that your thoughts, your concepts, your ideas are always on. So if, let's say, you give the authority for decision making to your mind, you would be making decisions that are incorrect or not. Organic, because you are designed to make decisions below the mind with your guts, with your. Aha. With your sacral center, your center of creation, of fertility, of sexuality.

Right, right. Okay, so that makes sense. So we got the manifestor and we have the generator. And then we have kind of like the hybrid of that, the manifesting generator. And then what are the other two? The other two personality types types that you find with this human design?

The other two types are the projector and reflector type. And I forgot to mention the manifestor and the generator. They are energy types. So the manifestor is here to initiate. The generator is here to create and to sustain energy. Energy types. And the other two, the projectors and the reflectors, are non energy types. So, for example, the projector is about 21% of humanity. That projector does not have the energy of the generator to sustain activity. So they can burn out more easily than generators. So a generator is here, is like a guide, a coordinator. A projector can. Can. Sorry, the projector can guide, can coordinate. That is part of their nature. Their aura is focused and absorbing, is like a sponge. So they can be very intelligent projectors because they know what's going on. They can take samples of the energy of others, so they can be excellent coaches, excellent guides. But they are not here to work as generators because they don't have it in them. They don't have the motors that the generators have to sustain activity. So projectors, if they are not operating correctly, if they are making mental decisions, they can burn out easily. They can feel they are lazy, they can feel bitter bitterness is one of the things that pops up with projectors when they are not operating correctly. They are here to be successful in life, but they are here to wait for the correct invitations, for the correct recognition. The word invitation resonates a lot with the projector because they are here to guide us, but they need their investors.

How is a projector? You said a projector. Like their communication styles, they should wait for the invite. They shouldn't necessarily be the initiator. But how's that difference than the generator? When you say that the generator strategy should be to respond, what's the difference between like waiting to respond and waiting for an invitation? Does that make sense?

Yes, it makes sense. Well, for the generator is just available. You don't need an invitation. You just need someone looks at you, maybe they are flirting, and you respond, hey, you want to dance or you want to drink or whatever, you want to get coffee, you know, that's. But for the projectors, it's specific. It's like, huh, I see that you're doing this great. Why don't you come to our school and give us a chat about this activity that you do? It's more formal.

Okay. It's more got.

It's different. Generators can make decisions. Like, right in the moment for projectors is like, okay, they recognize me, they have seen my talents, and they don't have the aha. Like in your case.

Okay, okay, got it. That makes sense. So we got the projector, we got the manifestor, we got the generator, we got the manifesting generator. And what's the last type that you find?

The last type is the reflector type. Reflectors are about 1% of the population. Reflectors have all of their centers or all of their chakras white, meaning they are receptive. They are the most receptive of all the energy types. It's of all the types. It is a non energy type reflector is very attuned to the cycle of the moon. So for a reflector to make a decision, they need an important decision. They need to wait at least 28 and a half days, which is the cycle of the moon. So for reflectors to know this, I'm a reflector, and to know this was life changing, I'm like, oh, So I do not need to jump into things. I need to take my time and it is okay. And if others, if other people say to me, hey, we need this response asap, I say, well, it's not for me if you cannot respect my waiting period.

So it sounds like if you're working with a reflector, if you'd have to know that someone is a reflector because that's the type of person who does best. If you're giving them a decision, you need to allow them to sit on it, to wait, to actually kind of like ferment and stew on a decision or an initiation, you might pass their way.

Exactly. And our aura as reflectors is like Teflon, so we can take samples. An analogy we use in human design is reflectors are like the canary in the coal mine. We can see what's different, we can see what's coming, and we can tell our community, hey, be careful with this food or with this whatever, because it's not useful for us or pay attention to this. This is great for us. So ideally, a reflector in a classroom, let's say in a school, if I was a teacher, I would put the reflector in the middle of the class so I can get a sense of what the Energy is around the classroom, looking at the reflector.

Okay, got it. Now, each of the different designs has like this graph overlaid on the silhouette of a human body. It's a little bit hard to describe via audio, but if anybody listening goes to BenGreenfieldFitness.com HumanDesign I'll link to some of the graphs and what they look like. So I'm going to keep all the show notes for you. If you want any of the show notes or you want to access any of this information, information for yourself, go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com HumanDesign but anyways, Luis, what I wanted to ask you was you described to me how we're all used to seeing this traditional seven chakras going through the body. You'll see that in a lot of eastern medicine and a lot of meditation books. And the front door of the yoga clinic that you might go to has a plastered there and these seven chakras from the crown down to the root chakra. But I think the way you explain it to me is you said that's kind of like wrong, that there's a new chakra system that we should be working with. And that's kind of like what you guys have incorporated into human design. Can you explain that to me?

Yes. We used to have way back when, five chakras. Then we had seven for thousands of years, which is what we know. Like you mentioned, if we go to a yoga class or Reiki, they tell us about the seven chakras according to human design, which is part of the download. In the year 1781 there was a mutation in our DNA. 1781, industrial revolution, American independence, French Revolution. So all of these changes resonate with the changes in our DNA. So we went from seven chakras to nine chakras. So what is difference that our ancestors before 1781, they were designed to make mental strategic decisions. That was correct for them. But what is new for us humans, our nine centered human composition is that the mind is no longer the authority for decision making.

Now how did that change happen? Is that again due to like planets and these neutrinos or like, because a lot of people don't know about this. You said we used used to have five chakras and then we had seven and then we had nine. Like who's, who's actually keeping track of all this?

Yeah, it, it was due to mutation, it was due to heath and our DNA change, the influence of the sun of a higher temperature and we evolved. We can debate this not Scientifically, and it can be, obviously go one way or the other, but this is part of the download. So we say there was a mutation. We now have nine chakras. So we operate differently. That's why when we say in human design, our inner authority is never in the mind. We have an analogy in human design. We have the vehicle, the consciousness of the body. That's one. Let's say we have a limo, a limousine. And that is the body, our design. We have a passenger that is the mind. And the mind is here to take the backseat and observe what's going on, to measure, to observe, take the back seat. And we have a driver integrated in our vehicle. And our driver has a gps, has a compass, and knows where to go, where to be, at what time. So our driver communicates with us through our inner authority. In your case, Ben, it is through your guttural sounds. It is through your gut. That's when you know to take a left or a right or to jump or to duck or whatever.

Don't get me wrong, I still pay attention to what's going on in my head and make logical, rational and scientific decisions. But since my. My consultation with you, I did start A, making more noises like, huh? Yeah, Just. Just like even when I'm by myself, to be able to listen to my gut more. And B, I've been trying to make more decisions from my gut, and they actually seem to agree with the decisions that I used to be having a harder time making through my head. So it actually is really interesting. And this idea of these nine chakras, if there were seven before, where are these nine new ones? Are they just overlaid on top of the other ones? And then there's just two extras, or how does that work exactly?

Yes. One is the spleen center, which emanated from the sacral center. It used to be one, the sacral, and the instinct. And the sacral center used to be one. And another center is the small triangle, which has to do with willpower. It used to be in the center, in the middle of love and direction, orientation, identity. So there was an upgrade. So we have two more. And you can say, well, I don't believe it, or someone that is listening. And we say, in design, you don't need to believe it. Here we have. This is no. There are no gurus nor outer authorities. It's all about experimentation. This is an empirical system, logical, empirical. And you can give it a try as you have done it, Ben, and say, oh, it's turning out pretty good. Listening to my Gut. And don't get me wrong, the mind is wonderful tool. We couldn't be communicating right now without it. And we say, just give it its correct role. To observe, to measure, to hold on memories and concepts and ideas and be inspired and debate and exchange. And the funny thing is that our mind can be an outer authority. For example, you can give us advice then for our healthy lifestyle and you can tell us about your discoveries, and we can make decisions out of what your mind is telling us. But the thing is, you are not here to listen to your mind. When your mind says, oh, let's quit or let's keep on going, or let's compare to the other and this and that, all the stories. And we say, because the mind is conditioned, the mind we can do retreats, we can silence the mind, but if we still make mental decisions, we are not in tune with this upgrade.

You mean when you say in tune with this upgrade, you mean we're still operating like the old school 7 chakra system?

Exactly. If we are making mental decisions, we are attuned to the old school seven chakra system.

But do you still like, research and become informed before making a decision? Like some of this seems like if you don't know whether to turn left or right at a stop sign, going with your gut can be foolhardy versus checking Google Maps, for example. So I mean, where do you draw the line behind using your gut and not using your mind?

Right.

It's about experimenting. You can say in this part, I will not use it. You can experiment with it, or you can go all in and say, okay, for a week, I'm just gonna trust my gut and see what happens.

See what happens when I turn left or when I make up my own way to get to the airport. Interesting. Okay, so basically there's like a chart. And the chart has different symbols that are over each of these different nine chakras with little lines going between each of the symbols. And from what I understand, like the way that these lines flow from symbol to symbol kind of dictates how you, how you operate and how you interact with other people.

Right, exactly. The, the centers are the chakras. We call them centers. And they are connected through channels. Channels are consistent life force energy that gives us our distinctions. For example, I didn't know who you were when we, when we did our reading. I just, I googled you afterwards. But in the seeing here, your chart, Ben, you have a lot of connections to individual energy, to this part of you. Survival of surviving. Like I think I mentioned to you in the reading, you can be in China, in Mexico, in Indonesia, wherever. And if you are attuned to your intuition, you will survive. Even if you don't have the GPS there. If you trust your instinct, you will survive. And you empower others through your individuality. So your. Your design is very individual, meaning it is different from your family, from the. From society as a collective. So individual people that have individual energy are here to bring what is new. So obviously, you're gonna encounter resistance because dogs don't want to learn new tricks. But you will empower others. Your instinct, your intuition. You are attuned to acoustics also. So words, music that gets you into rhythm. Also, we mentioned nose to trust the smell. And you're a hunter. No, I learned that you're a hunter. So you can trust that.

I don't know if I'm a hunter, but I like to hunt. You're saying that I can use my. My senses of hearing and my senses of smell. And the chart that I have shows that those are two senses that I would tend to be very strong with.

Yes. And they are consistent. So what is. What has color and what has white? What has color? It is consistent, reliable energy that is yours versus what is white. It is inconsistent. It is open. It comes and goes. It is intermittent. So you cannot trust the white centers for decision making because the white centers are open spaces to sample the energy of others or of the outside.

Hmm, interesting. Okay, so are there. Are there like, certain. Just. Just for illustrative examples here, who are some celebrities that would fall into certain categories if people. Do you ever do that? Like, you know, because a lot of these personality typings, you know, like an enneagram, will say, oh, you're like Oprah Winfrey, or this personality is the same as Michael Jordan. Do you actually step back and look at certain celebrities that would have certain human design readings? Or have you seen certain celebrities actually get these type of human design readings just so people can better wrap their heads around like, oh, okay, I understand. That person's a manifester. That person's a generator.

Yes. For example, famous manifestors, we have. Robert De Niro is a manifesto. So you can see that energy. They are not. In Mexico, we say a golden golden token or golden coin. No, I'm not a golden coin to be. So everyone loves me. So manifestors are like that. They're not so open as a generator. So Robert De Niro is a famous manifesto. Jennifer Aniston, some manifesto. So in the example of Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt is a projector. So like we mentioned, the projector is here to wait for the invitation. Jennifer Aniston, as a manifester, she's here to initiate action. So she, she's designed to initiate relationships. So she was, she's designed to be the one to, to take the first step in a relationship. So Jennifer. Also another famous manifesto is Jerry Seinfeld and the comedian Jerry Seinfeld. And if we look at Jerry Seinfeld's chart, he has a channel that relates to making money to the material, very attuned to the material. So, and he has accomplished that. He has lived his design. Also another famous manifesto. Manifesto's are here to have impact. So another manifesto is Adolf Hitler. So Hitler certainly had an impact on humanity. So these are famous famous manifestors. We also have famous generators. Famous generator is Elvis Presley. Elvis the pelvis. So he was very connected to the sacral with all his movements of the pelvis and this and that. They are here to generate, to create. Madonna is another famous generator. Muhammad Ali, Bruce Lee, Tiger Woods.

And so each of these individuals and each of these different types that are associated with each individual. One of the things that was a big takeaway for me was if you're acting out of correspondence to the way that you should be responding to someone, like as a generator, for example, if I'm using more of my head than my heart, if I'm not making those guttural sounds, if I'm not waiting to respond, but instead attempting to initiate myself, the signature fallback that I have is frustration. But then when I am acting within my, you know, responding to my gut and making those guttural sounds and waiting to respond, the signature theme is, is satisfaction. So I can be either satisfied or frustrated. And I think you told me that for my wife, for example, who's a manifester, for her, if she's operating in tune and being that person who leads, who informs, who initiates that she would be at peace. And then the opposite of that would be being at anger. And I assume the other two have, have their, their own, their own signatures or their, you know, what would happen when you're with self or what would happen when you're operating outside of what you're naturally oriented to do, right?

That is correct. For, for projectors, they can feel bitter if they are not operating correctly, if they are making mental decisions or if they do not wait for invitations, they can feel bitterness. Projectors are here to be successful. They are great at mastering systems of studying, going very deep into, into systems, into knowledge. So Another analogy, Ben, is we have a soccer team. A foot. Yeah, football team. Soccer team. The manifesto is the strike is the forward. You know, they get all the glory or all the booze, all the blame. They're. They're gonna. Their reputation is on the line. The generators are defenders. So they are waiting for the stimulation. They are waiting for the ball to come to them. And then they can, they can give a pass or they can score a goal, but they are not going after the ball. They are, they are responding to what the. The offense is doing. Then the projectors, which are the guides, they are here to be the midfielders. They direct the game. Usually they are the captain of the team, the midfielder, so they can, they can give the pass. So the forward or the manifesto or the generator scores the goal. So they coordinate. And that reflector would be the goalie. Different rules apply. Like we mentioned, they are more attuned to the moon, the cycle of the moon. So the goalie can use their hands. Reflectors have, have another composition now.

Now, do you ever have like, I guess like corporations or teams, you know, sports teams, corporate teams, et cetera, Take the human design and learn how to interact with each other based on the results. Very similar to how some corporations, you know, like at Kion and at Ben Greenfield Life, we use the enneagram to, to type our employees and figure out what role that we would best shine in. Other people use the Gallup strengths finder assessment. Do you find that corporations will use something like this as well?

Yes, and it is extremely beneficial for corporations. I have done it for some corporations and it is great because everyone knows their role and they don't feel frustrated.

Give me an example of what that looks like. Give me an example.

For example, a projector. A projector that is not operating correctly and is the first one to get to work and the last one to leave. We're like, hey, take it easy. You're going to burn out. It's just a matter of time before you burn out. You need to delegate. You need to take your naps, you need to take your breaks, you need to take your vacations. It's great for you. Because projectors tend to carry like the atlas, the weight of their team on their back. So we're like, hey, relax, take a break. Or we can tell to the bus, hey, give some days off to the projector or tell them that they need to not come or to leave early or generators that try to initiate. And oh, my project didn't go through or we had to suspend it because this or that. We're like, wait, wait for the stimulation. And the stimulation might be from going online, Googling, or listening to a podcast. And then, boom, an idea pops up. And to manifestors, we say, initiate. Do not feel bad for rejection. Manifestors need to be open to rejection because they are the starters. They start things, they initiate things. Sorry, famous projectors. We have Steven Spielberg, the director, Bon Jovi, Mick Jagger, and Mick Jagger. In one of his songs, he's singing about the generators. He's like, I can't get no satisfaction. But Mick Jagger is not here to get satisfaction here. He's here to get successful as a projector. Another, Denzel Washington is also a projector. A lot of people that are in the entertainment business are projectors. They can be great actors or directors. Also. Woody Allen is a projector. Penelope Cruz, Barbra Streisand, among others. And famous reflectors, we don't have a lot of them, but this girl, Sandra Bullock, is a reflector, which she has the potential to be a great actress because of all of the openness. Richard Burton, the actor, Dostoyevsky. And I don't know if you remember Uri Geller.

No, I don't know who that is. But regardless, it's really interesting to hear examples of the different celebrities that would fall into these different categories. And one question I have for you also is, let's say somebody wanted to get this human design thing done. Do all practitioners do it the same way? Because you were recommended to me as a person who was really good at it, but I don't even know what that means. You know, you're the only person I've ever talked to about this. So are different practitioners kind of like different personal trainers, different nutritionists, like, trained in different ways with different approaches, or do you guys all just practice this stuff the same way?

Yes, we're all different. I mean, there is the official institute that the lineage from the founder is one. I personally have learned from that lineage and also or school, to put it more precisely, but also from some that are rebels that do other stuff also or integrate part of human design and then add a little bit extra. I like to follow my intuition, to listen to my gut. And in a reading, I say words that were not on script or are not necessarily on the chart. But I just feel like I need to say it, and so they resonate or I can get my message across. And I have a different background. And I also, yes, I flow. I follow intuition. I try to listen, I try to adapt to the moment. Basically, we're all different. But yes, there are certain rules. No matter if you take a reading with analyst, we all are going to mention your genetic type. What is your strategy? What is your inner authority? Where is your openness? Where is your conditioning? That is basically, we all say that, but how we say it and how we integrate it and examples, etc. We're all different.

How do you know my genetic type? If you're not taking saliva or something like that? Do you just know based off of, again, the. More like the planetary, the astrologic typing.

Or how's that work exactly? And it's a mystery. It is a mystery, Ben. For example, an element of human design is the I Ching. The I Ching, it's an ancient Chinese text and it has 64 hexagrams. So why. No, so why 64? And it turns out in our genetics we have 64 codons in our DNA. So how did the Chinese learn thousands of years ago that there is a correlation between the X, the hexagrams and our DNA? It is a mystery. We do not know how they were able to get to acquire this knowledge. So I did a reading once. The person was extremely skeptic or skeptical and she said, do you need a hair, A sample of my hair so it can be accurate. And really? I said yes, yes, I need your hair. I really didn't need it. I just said for this person to be able to be open, to respond.

A little placebo effect there.

Yeah, yeah, placebo, exactly.

Now, when somebody does this, I walked away with this printout, this chart that showed my actual chakras and the different lines, you call them, the channels that connect each one so I can start to understand how my different nine chakras all work, work together. And then also like, like a, like a printed guide that walked me through all the different ways I can and should interact with people based on my type. And then he gave me like a recording of the actual video. So I was able to kind of go through it. And that was super useful. I'm assuming that every, anybody who, who does this with you would get something similar. But the, the, the thing that I wanted to run by you was, you know, once you have all this information in hand, what if like the other people you're interacting with haven't done the human design process? Like, like, do you, you know, if you don't. What if you don't know if somebody's a manifester or a generator and you don't know how to interact with them? Like, you know how you interact with people? But you don't know how they're going to respond to it because you don't know their type. Does that make sense? Is there a way to, like, know what somebody else is if they haven't had their human design done?

Well, no, because let's say someone is a manifester, but is, is not initiating and is acting as a generator because they were conditioned to not initiate because she's a woman living in Mexico and women, let's say the 20s, and they don't start things. They need to wait for the men to do it. And you know, it's. We, we need to, to know. We get, we need to get their chart to be certain. I mean, I can sense, I can guess, oh, she looks like a generator or a manifesting generator, or she's. Or she's emotional.

You, you could probably do it pretty well because you've done so many of these.

Yes, but we need to pass it through the software, to be precise.

Right, the human design software. Now, these nine chakras, you know, a lot of times people will have different types of meditations where you're breathing through the different chakras, or they'll have different types of, you know, chakra sweep protocols and some of these energy devices. Do you, when you're working with the nine chakras, are there, are there different things that you would do? Because it seems like everything that we use right now from a medical standpoint or an energetic standpoint, is based around the seven chakras. Does that make sense? Like, like should, like, do we also need to be meditating differently or doing chakra sweeps differently or doing acupuncture differently? Or is what I'm asking making sense?

Yes, it makes sense. No, not necessarily. We don't necessarily need to, to come up with a new meridian system of acupuncture or anything because these centers were already there. We all, we had them, but they mutated and now they're in a different place and have different influence. But it's not necessary to do a different meditation. Basically what it comes down to is decision making. So you do this type of breathing. I would say, okay, Ben, it doesn't. If you do the wim, HOF or whatever. Holotropic. Okay. Listen to your gut. I will, I will sound like a broken record and I would say listen to your gut.

Yeah. Now if somebody wants to actually get this type of test done, then basically it involves them hunting down their birth certificate or even, I guess they could call their parents or the hospital or find out what time they were Born at the location, the date, and then they would just basically send you all that information. You feed all through the software. And then you had like an hour long call with me and also my sons and my wife and just walk each of us individually through our results. And so if somebody wants to do this, is there like a specific way they can work with you? Like, is there just like a. Should I just link to your website in the show notes or what's the best way for people to actually work with you if they want to do that?

Yes. Old school. Ben, you can email me.

Okay. You might get a few emails if you give that out, but you can feel free.

Okay, you can email me luis portillosmail.com you send me your date of birth, day, month, year, time. We get in touch and I prepare your chart. And as you mentioned, it's a, is about 60, 60 minutes. The reading, sometimes less, sometimes more. And we take a look at your chart specifically what your type is, what your inner authorities where you can get distracted. Distracted. The not self, yourself. What is the organic way to make decisions as yourself? So having a reading has a lot of benefits. One of them is to breathe finally in relief that, oh, I am able to be myself. I am weird or I am different or I'm unique and it's okay. I don't need to compare myself to my, my brothers or my neighbors or whoever.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's honestly been one of the more helpful assessments that I've done and I think it could be kind of cool for people to try this out if you want to. I'd never heard anything about it. And as is my, my shtick on this show, anytime I find something kind of cool that really helped me out with something, I like to share it with people. I can't explain that. I have my head fully wrapped around how this works. I do kind of understand the idea of these neutrinos and planetary assessments. I realize some of it might sound woo to you guys, but I also step back and I look at the fruits of anything that I do and like my wife and my sons and I now know how to communicate with each other better. I'm making more decisions with my gut. I'm being a little bit more audible when I'm listening to people or in conversations. I'm giving myself permission to respond. When I used to feel guilty about not being the initiator and all those things actually have really been resonating with me. So there's something to this I don't fully understand. It but there's something to it. And so I just wanted to make sure that you guys know that this exists. And if you do want to go do something with Luis, I'll put his email address that he just said in the show notes as well as link to. If you guys want to check out my own chart, I'll link to that in there too. And I'll also give you a little bonus and let you listen to the to the audio that, that Luis did with me in which he really walked me through my whole own human design reading, if you're just curious as a fly on the wall what that actually sounds like or looks like. So Luis, thanks for coming on the show and sharing all this human design stuff with us. I hope we did a decent job explaining it to people, even though I really think the best way to get it is to just like do it. And then you'll see the chart, you'll get your eyeballs on your chakras on your channels and I think it's the best way for people to proceed. So I'll put all that information@BenGreenfieldFitness.com HumanDesign Luis, thank you very much for coming on the show, man.

No, thank you very much for the invitation for the confidence in me. And I'm gladly would tell your listeners to get a reading, contact me or contact another analyst. But it is extremely important and practical information for these times.

Awesome. Awesome. Cool. I agree, it is really practical information. Sounds a little, sounds a little far fetched on, on the show, but once you get into it, it gets super practical. We now transition from Ben's interview with Luis Portillo to the recorded call of Luis reviewing Ben's human design reading just to make sure.

Ben December 20, 198081 at 7:12pm Yep. In Lewiston, Idaho.

Yep.

Perfect. Okay. Yeah, that's the number one question.

Did Trina tell you a little bit.

About this or not really?

Well, Trina told me a little bit about it because we were having dinner and we were sitting by each other so she filled me in a little bit. And then, you know, I also, I worked with a doctor once down in San Francisco where I did a podcast with him and he does, he does like, I think it's more Korean, but he uses like the Chinese calendar and kind of does more like diet and the medications and things like that based on your birth date and birth year. But from what she was telling me, what you do is a little different. So I figured it would be kind of cool to connect with you.

Cool yes, yes, it is. It's called a human design system. It's a synthesis of ancient knowledge, like for example, astrology, the I Ching, which is this ancient Chinese text, also the tree of life of Kabbalah, the esoteric part of Judaism, and the chakra system. So those are the, the ancient or the esoteric aspects. And we also have modern elements in human design, like genetics, astronomy, physics. So this synthesis gives us the human design system, and it's a practical system for us to know ourselves. You know, sometimes we say, oh, I wish I had a. An instruction manual for to know my children or to know myself. And I think this is pretty close to having an instruction manual. What I like it is, it is, for us Westerners, Ben, you know, it's not mumbo jumbo. It's like practical information. And you can apply it, you can experiment with it and see if it is worth it or if it's just another fad, you know. So there are two columns, as you can see. One is in red and one is in black. Those two columns represent aspects in your genetic blueprint that are activated, your life force energy that is activated. What makes you different from others. So the red part, it is aspects of you that are unconscious, and the black part, those are conscious aspects of you. So sometimes it resonates with us more the black than the red. Both of them are within us. As you see, there are numbers. They correspond to the I Ching. The I Ching has 64 hexagrams, or symbols. And in our DNA there are 64 codons, or ways that amino acids combine and form, give us information. And as you know, the chess board has 64 squares. You have Nintendo 64. 64 is all over the place. And here we're going to see up the 64 archetypes or hexagrams, which ones are highlighted in your DNA. Also in the middle we have centers. They correspond to the chakra, to the Hindu chakra system. If you go to a yoga class, they talk about the seven chakras. Here in human design, we say there was an upgrade around the year 1781. It has to do in the era of the Industrial Revolution, American independence, French Revolution. There was a mutation in our DNA. Now, according to human design, we have nine chakras instead of seven. This has a lot to do with how we make our decisions. We'll get to that in a bit. As you can see, of the nine centers, or chakras bend, in your case, six have color and three are white. So the difference between the white and the colored Ones is that the ones that have color, that is consistent, reliable energy that is activated in you since you were born. It is there. If I. If I tell you, Ben, you're going to be. Or there's a potential for you to get to the bottom of things, to investigate, to have the information, to have the basis, to have the pillars of stuff that is, since you were born, till the end, it's gonna be there. That part of you that investigates, it's. It's on, it's highlighted in your DNA. So that is consistent, reliable. That is part of who you are. And the opposite are the white centers. The white centers are inconsistent. And that is where you are open to the influence of others, to the energy of others. And we're gonna look at them one by one. So the difference colored, reliable, and it's always on. And you give out that energy. The water has color, you give it out. If I were sitting next to you right now at a coffee shop, even though we didn't speak to each other, I would receive the centers that you have colored, and you would be a receptor in your white spaces. Okay, so the white centers, I like to start with that. Because the white centers, usually we can get off track because of the energy of others, the influence of others, the conditioning of others. In your case, there are two pressure centers in our design. The one on top is mental pressure. The pressure to have answers, the pressure to be creative, to have ideas. That is one center of pressure. And the other center of pressure is the one on the bottom. That is the root chakra, or the adrenaline center. The root center has to do with your adrenal glands. And that also is open or it is white. So in your case, Ben, you are open to the pressure of the outside, mental pressure and physical pressure. Let's say you have clients, and they need the answer for yesterday, asap. And that pressure of them, you can feel it. And if you are not aware, you can amplify that stress, that pressure, and give them answers. Just so you don't feel like the hot potato and you're like, okay, here's your answer. Don't bother me anymore. You know, just to take off that pressure. But you are not designed to succumb to that pressure or the mental pressure. What is the answer? Why? And tell me, explain to me. And this, what's going to happen? The lockdown, the vaccine, that this and the that and the inflation, and all of that pressure that is in the environment, you are open to it. So the key for you, Ben, is to distinguish what Is yours and what is from the other person or the collective? And you can say, you know what? I don't have the answer. I don't know what is going to happen. And it's okay, like, for you to say, I don't know and I don't care, really. It's very healthy for your mental system, for your mind when you say, I don't know. This is not even mine. This is not my question. You know, like, hey, this is, this is. Yeah, doesn't have anything to do with me. So because you can be open to distractions, open to mental distractions that have nothing to do with you, it has to do with the others. So then you can be distracted and not be on your. Your correct path. So that is that the mental pressure. And the one on the bottom is this pressure to do stuff. Now, like the pressure, let's say you're driving and the person behind you is very close to you. You can go past the red light. So you don't feel that pressure. So that would be obviously a not correct thing to do for you. Because you're here to say, hey, wait.

Chill.

The light is red. You need to wait instead of reacting and doing it just so you don't feel the pressure. So those are two centers that are, that are white, that are open to the conditioning of others. And also the other center, bend that is white is your emotional center. Actually, it is totally white. No activations there. So people can say, oh, you're, you are cold. Like, like emotionally and like, you're not here for the drama, you know, for the drama of a soap opera relationship and this and that. You're like, no, you're here to be empathic. You can be, you can, you're very sensitive. So you can feel what the other is feeling. Their feelings, their emotions, you can sense them. But you are not here to make decisions out of an emotion that you are feeling. So the most important thing of this system, human design, is decision making. So that's why I like to start where you are not wired to make decisions. You are not wired to make decisions out of the emotion. Say you're in a fight and you say, I quit. This is over. We are gonna end this relationship, partnership, whatever that is not correct for you or to make a mental decision. You're not here for your decisions. And it's funny, or not funny, but it's funny. Like when you said, I'm going hunting. In your case, your decision making, it's all about the instinct, the intuition, and a spontaneous body decision. Your decisions are from your gut. Then you are designed to make decisions with your gut, not to think about it. This is one of the most revolutionary aspects of human design. It says since the upgrade in the late 18th century, we are not no longer designed to make decisions with our mind. In your case, it has to do with your intuition. It has to do with your guts. Your decisions are here to be made in the now. Like a hunter. You know, I bet you were responding to the environment, to what was happening. Oh, the rain, the clouds, the weather, the wind, the smell. You know, you have it in you. And that's how you are designed to make decisions. You have a very, very individual design. Meaning you're not here to follow the crowd. You're here to be rebellious. You're here to be, to inspire others, also to stimulate us with ideas. One of your gifts is to share your ideas, your stories, your experiences. Like, you can be a great with your, with language, with words, with speaking, with influencing others through your throat. This is the throat, the third one from top to bottom. And there's a channel there that connects with the ashna center or with your mind center. So you have a lot of ideas constantly since you were born. Abstract ideas. Some are logical, some are abstract. The abstracts are connected to your right hemisphere. And it has to do with inspiring others through your stories. You're a, you're a storyteller. So if you tell us your stories, you're going to have influence over us. And also you can be great. You can be like a filmmaker, you can be like someone that manages and markets. You can sell anything. And you can play with your character to sell us a product, an idea, a truth, a way of life, you know, with your, with the way how you respond spontaneously in the. Now let's say you are talking to teenagers from high school. You can play, your character can play like a coon.

Cool dude.

No, that's talking to the guys and the girls in high school. And if you're with seniors, you can also play with your character and adapt. And you're gonna dress differently, you're gonna speak differently, and you're going to get different information or you're going to make it more attractive. You can make things beautiful. You can be like, you can make the form beautiful. The form can be the body, your home, your office, where you live. Like architects have these that you have, architects, designers, people that love or that they work with to making things more beautiful. So what is extremely highlighted is this intuition you can trust in advance. The challenge would be to not Let your mind make the decisions for you here. What is funny is that your mind is for others. You can tell me a story and I can be stimulated and say, oh, now I get it, you know, but your mind is not for your own decisions. Your mind is great for what we are doing. We're talking, we are processing information, getting ideas. Beautiful. But in your case, Ben, if you're going to do a business, it has nothing to do with the numbers, with. With what others tell you about, about this potential partner. It's about your instinct, because you're very attuned to the acoustic world, to the world of vibration. So people can talk to you and you can spot the bullshit because you can listen not necessarily to the words. You're more attuned to the vibration of the words, to the tone, to the what's, you know, under the iceberg, what they really mean. So this hunter in you, that. That survives, you can be unsurvivor, you know, like. Like that kind of energy. You have the energy to survive when you are attuned to the now, to the present, because you survive when you are present, when you are in the future and your mind takes you there, oh, it's going to happen in the future. And the lockdown and the this and the that, that can lead you off your organic path. You know, when you're in the future and, oh, what will happen? Will I survive in the future? Will this change? Will this be like this or like that? You're here to share a lot of love. That is, if you look at your. I'm gonna send you your chart when we finish. It's called your incarnation cross, or the energy that you bring. It has to do with a lot with love. Different kind of love. Not necessarily Hollywood love. No, it's love of yourself, love, love of the form, love of the body. Universal love. You know, you can love your. Your pillow, your car, your. Your bow, whatever. You know, it's that kind of love. Love of the senses. Like, oh, I have a body, I can eat, I can have sex, I can sleep, I can have a massage, I can kiss, I can feel the rain. That sensualness is there. Love of nature, magnetism. When you are in your center, when you are aligned, you shine and people will notice you. You have this strong, strong magnetism in yourself. And when you are attuned to the correct resonance or speed or rhythm, you shine more. If you're too fast, there's a potential that you are going too fast because of the pressure. You're open centers that you feel the pressure. And you can distort the pressure and the stress and that can take you off your organic rhythm. But when you are in your center, in your rhythm, no influence from the outside. There is this huge strong magnetism and people will be attracted to you and you will influence them with whatever you investigate. And you are here to share your investigations. No, you're always going to be studying. That is in your DNA to study, to get to the bottom of things. Let's say there's a two story house. It's very important for you to know what is, what are the pillars, what is at the base, what is holding this construction. And after you have your investigation, your information, to share that with the others, to influence others and to keep close to you, your allies. Be with your eyes open with strangers. You're not so much here to resonate with strangers. It's like you and I met through a friend of yours. So it is a correct path. But if I would have approached you on a coffee shop, hey, I'm Luis and I do this and that, it wouldn't have resonated with you. So it's great for you to have your allies close, your network of friends, your allies. That's where your opportunities arise, through your network. And important that you let go. If you're going to let go of something, be sure to have the other thing here, like trap, assist. I don't know if that's the correct word. No, they let go, but they have the other one here. If you're gonna let go of a relationship or an income or whatever, be sure to have the other in the other hand. Because otherwise if you just let go. Like, like. So it takes longer for you to, to recover. No, so the center, when I, when I mentioned love, I'm speaking specifically of the, the yellow chakra. It's, it's when we say me and now we touch our heart, that's the one. And that center has to do with influence. Also part of you influences others through logic. Also I mentioned storytelling words, but also with having the correct facts, like, oh, this is the scientific name of this plant or this animal, or this is the scientific terminology for this device. You know, to have the facts, the information. You're here to have mastery in whatever you do. If you sell bubble gum, you'll be the best of selling bubblegum. You'll know where the. What's the name of the bubble gum tree, the origin stories, lore about it, etc. So you're here to be the master of whatever you do, to have mastery. You're here to empower others through being yourself, through being rebellious, to being this rebel, this man that does things his own way, that, that might upset others, but you're not here to, to feel sorry for them. Because this very individualistic path that you have, it's for your, if you, you teach us how to survive because you have this survival instinct in you which is the center, which is the intuition center. The first consciousness that we had as humans before the mind, before the emotions was the intuition, the instinct, not the fight or flight. So that is highlighted in your DNA, Ben. So others will feel extremely safe with you. Oh, I'm with Ben. I will survive no matter what happens. That also attracts, it can attract people that do not have that center colored like you. Because opposites attract. And people will be attracted to you. But just keep your eyes open because some people can be just codependent and I don't know the word. Yeah. Taking energy from you, you know, like, like your well being, your, your, your, your health. So you're here to tell us, oh, this is how I survive. You can do what I do or you cannot. I, I, I'm gonna do it anyways. So you survive. You can trust your, your nose. You know, you can smell when something smells. Stitching a person, a proposal, whatever, it's a red flag. And then you can, your body is talking to you. No. And this consciousness that leads you to survive also gives you the message through your mouth. Like this smells funny or this doesn't sound right. The words are marvelous. But you know what? The energy behind the words, the vibration, the tones, I smelled bullshit there. So you're here to trust that when I mentioned earlier Ben, that not to make mental decisions. Your mind might say, oh, come on, let's do this. Let's sign this agreement with this person. Because look at their resume and look at their background and their history. Their the best. But if your body says I smell something fishy, your body, you're here to listen to your body into that consciousness, into your gut feeling that says or I don't know so far, Ben. Sometimes I just go and go and so let me know if you have comments, questions, if it's clear.

All clear.

Okay. There are four genetic types in humanity according to human design. And it has to do with your, with our aura or electromagnetic field in your case. I emphasize on magnetism because your genetic type is called generator generators, magnetic aura. The generator's aura is magnetic. It is open, it is enveloping, it is welcoming. So people will be attracted to you. Like a magnet. And generators are not here. Your mind might be. Oh no, this, this can be correct. But generators are not designed to initiate action, to go after things. Generators are here to respond. So if you are present and you are responding to the stimulation from the outside, that is correct for you. But you're not here to, to go after and to knock on doors and to just do it. It's like if there is a stimulation. Yes, just do it. If they invite you, for example, your throat and connected to your mind, you can be a speaker. People can invite you to speak. But you are not here to tell everyone, hey, I'm a great speaker. I can entertain your audience and educate them. I can give you the best information. You're not here to do that. You're here. Okay, if they ask you, hey, Ben, what do you do? Then you tell them. That is like the difference between another type that's called manifesters. Manifesters are here to initiate. Generators are here to respond. You manifest. Yes. The thing is out of response, like you, you. You attract so people will recognize you and they will invite you. Why do you come here and speak to us? Then you're like, okay, I charge this much. You can be good with, with money, with numbers, with. With knowing your value. And speaking of money, important for you to. To work like, like to get to this ratio of working less and earning more because you have the willpower is the little red triangle that has to do with willpower physically. It has to do with your gallbladder, with your thymus gland, with your stomach digestion, with your heart muscle also. So if you do not rest, that can take its toll on the. On your vehicle, not your body. So to be able to. Your compromises to make them not out of pressure and not because you feel sorry for others. Like, okay, they can get you, oh, can you come to our wedding? And maybe you cannot because you're busy or whatever, or you don't feel like it. And if they pressure you out of your white centers, oh, come on, everyone's coming. And I went to your wedding and whatever, and you say, okay, I'll make a commitment and I'll go. If you do that, it takes. Install on your body, on your vehicle. So it's very important that your compromises, your commitments for them to be coming out of a place of your inner authority, which is your guts. Like, huh? Like your body is going to decide. That is the thing. The generator. Your genetic type is generator because you have the sacral center, the red one, the second from bottom to top. Where your testicles are, your sexual center, your sacral center. It's colored red. It is defined, so it's always on. You're here to be creative, to build, to create, to generate the Generator. So to know yourself. So the generator makes sounds, guttural sounds, like. So if you listen to those sounds, you will be making the decisions that are correct for you. Someone said, hey, you want to come over tomorrow? Let's have dinner. You're like, if that is your answer, that is your answer. It doesn't have to go through the mind. But why, Ben? Why don't you want to come? You know what? To be honest, I don't know. I just. My body told me, you know, that that's the experiment of human design. To listen to your inner authority. In your case is your sacral center, your. Your. Your sexual center, your. Your guts connected to your guts. So when you. It's great as an exercise band that people ask you questions. Someone that you trust, that is not your partner, that asks you yes or no questions about you name it, you can write down the questions and you give them the list. And they ask you, are you satisfied with this? Are you satisfied with that? Do you like this person, that person? And just to answer, like.

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Thing that comes out of your body. That way you'll discover a lot of stuff that you really want. And you will be also surprised about things that. Or people, places that you don't really like. So that is one of the experiments of the Generator. To not initiate, to just wait. Patience is one of the challenges of the Generator. To be patient. Especially if you live in the US because you have to just do it and now and this and that and everything is so fast. And the competition, this, that, in your case, your mind will tell you no. Can. Can tell you no. Luis is crazy. Because if I don't initiate, nothing will happen. I need to just do it. But if you. If you experiment with. Okay, I'm gonna take a pause. I'm just gonna let the others invite me, ask me, recognize me, and see what happens. It will be a smoother ride than if you go chasing after. Because your energy, your body speaks, your auras is speaking. The Generator is attractive. And it's always attracting opportunities, invitation, business, relationships, travel, whatever. So you're just here to be present and go. Or that. That is the experiment of the. Of the Generator. The. The Generator is here. You cannot go to sleep unless the Generator, organically, a generator wakes up and their. Their tank of gasoline or fuel, whatever, is full. And you need to burn it. That's. Maybe you didn't burn, maybe all of your energy hunting and you're like, hey, I'm going on the walker. I'm going to move my body. So the Generator cannot go to sleep unless they have spent all of their gasoline of the day, because otherwise, if you still have gas in the tank, you will just be tossing and turning in there for you is to let it all out, generate, be active in stuff that you love. One of the challenges of the Generator, most of them do not do the things that they love. They work, doing boring stuff, and their hobbies are really their passion, and they're not doing it. But if you're doing what you love, the Generator is satisfied. Satisfaction is a word that resonates with the Generator. Frustration would be the opposite. If you are doing stuff that you don't love or out of pressure of others, you can feel stuck, you can feel frustrated. The Generator is here to be satisfied. The generator is here to be present and to respond and to listen to your body. Your body can, can go like this or it can go like that. You know, like if it expands, it's telling you, yes, I want to try this. Contracts. Not really. So you can play, play with your characters, your. Your artistic aspects. You can play with them. You can be like an actor, for example, if you're giving a talk or a pitch or whatever, you can act. You can play different roles and be like a trickster. Also to play, to trick, to be like a child, to be sometimes innocent, to be playful, to be, you know, like this, this young spirit in you don't. So the, the mystical aspects of your design. You also want to know what, what more you are. You are curious, Ben. By design. You were born to be curious. And the thing here is that you are someone that is a seeker. You know, you're looking for stuff to discover stuff. Things, ideas, new ways of doing stuff, to discover yourself. You're a seeker. And the thing is, I know it sounds cliche, but there is no goal at the end. What's up, you're seeking. That is the path. You know, if you are speaking, you are doing your. Your genetic imperative, you're fulfilling it, but there's not going to be, oh, the price at the end of the, of the, the goal line. You know, it's like, because if you meet God, let's say you run a retreat or you have this mystical experience in a ceremony or in a meditation or what, a dancing, whatever, you meet God, and then your curiosity is going to say, okay, I Met God. What about the counterpart of God? What about what? What is it like? And then you meet the counterpart and then there's going to be a new curiosity, a new stimulation. So that's why your stories are so important, because you stimulate us also. And that can be like, oh, Ben, lived through this. Maybe I can also leave it. Maybe I can also experiment it, experience it. But there is no goal like, oh, I will be illuminated when I do this and have this money in the bank. And my aura will glow and flow and this and that. For you, it's about the experience. It's about the adventure. You know, Is it like if you, if you had upset, if you would have said, oh, we didn't hunt any deer today, it sucked. Not. No, not really. For you it was the adventure. Like you said you were with your kids, you had. They will never forget about it, I bet, you know, so it's about that. It's about the adventure, the experience, the story. It's about telling us your ideas. You can be like a teacher also. A lot of teachers have energy that you have. So you can educate us then with your unique ideas, with your. Advanced ideas, you know, you can see like the trends, what is coming. So you can educate us with all of the investigations that you do. You can share your curiosity with us and ignite that curiosity within us. You empower us by being yourself, Ben, just like that, by. By being this love that you are incarnate. You're the vessel of love, is your incarnation. Cross. Hey, why? Why are you happy? Why? Why? Because I'm alive. Because I'm a survivor. You know, you can love yourself if you love the world, if you love your body, if you love your form, then you're like, I love myself and I spread this love. And others. You will be contagious with that. You can, you can be. We can feel that you can. You are attuned to what is coming. So to the future, you can download stuff from the, let's say the quantum cloud, then that is in the future, you can download it. My teacher said that most Mozart had that archetype that you have. He just like saw and felt music and the notes and did a download. And that's why he was advanced for his era. So you're here to take advantage of that, to learn when enough is enough. You know, when something is. When something is dead. No, it's not giving anymore. To close the cycle and say, okay, next, what's next? What's coming to have timeouts during your day, Ben, because mentally it can be overwhelming sometimes that you want to be creative or to have an idea and you can go like over and over with that idea. And maybe the answer doesn't come or the inspiration, but when you're in a pause, maybe on the hammock, then boom, the eureka comes and your answer arrives. So it's a design, your design band. It's a design that, that is here to empower others through being yourself and being this part of you that is selfish and without guilt. Like, oh, why didn't you invite me? Oh, because I wanted to go by myself. I wanted to be like. A lot of athletes have this archetype that you have, and it's not necessarily team sports. It can be like, oh, I'm an Olympian and I run by myself. I'm not a soccer player. With others, you know, it's like that, kind of like an Olympian, you have this archetype of an Olympian of being human. You know, when we started to walk upright and we learn how to fish, how to hunt, how to handle fire and this and that, that is in your DNA, like extremely highlighted. So when you survive, there needs to be this selfishness for survival. It is what it is. So you're not here to feel guilty about it. Okay, first my well being and then I can share this with others because if I am doing correct, if I'm well, my family is going to be well, or my partners or my clients. But it's about you. And obviously there is a line. For example, self love, it's in you, it's in your DNA. The extreme, the polarity would be narcissism. Okay, it's just me, me, me. I don't care. I never care about others. That would be a shadow. No, there, that, that's in your DNA. But it is self love. It is magnetism. It is finding like, like being curious and going also to your heart like the, the mystical. A higher cost, a higher principle. I don't know you're religious or not, but it has to do with maybe, okay, this is for humanity or this is for my seed for the world. Or look, you have in your DNA the potential for a higher cost to say, okay, I'm going to have a, I'm going to be devotional with this cause, with humanity, or with my family or with this higher principle. It's there of you being lovable. And it's like I said, different types of love. And your willpower, it's always on. Like according to design, about 35% of humanity have the willpower others do not have it constant consistently. So it's a little red triangle here. And like I mentioned before, your commitments just pay attention. Where are your commitments coming from? Not from pressure from your inner, inner authority. From your.

Uh huh.

Yes, I want to do this or I will not do it. I need to rest. Because you can be like, you can be a doer, like, yes, yes, I will do it. I have the willpower and I will not rest until I get it. Yes. But be aware of when you are over overloading or I don't know if that is the correct word of overworking because it can lead you to burnout. Like I mentioned earlier, your work and rest need to be to as. As you grow to work less, rest more and earn more money because you, you know how to make money potentially. It's there in your DNA and you have it in your blood. It's there so you can, you can do a presentation to sell us bubble gum and. Oh, Ben, but your bubble gum is more expensive. Yes, but mine is organic and it's from Chiapas. And the indigenous will be, will have benefits because 10% of our proceeds go, okay, I'll buy it from you. You know, that's a thing that you have. You can sell us your message, your truth, your product in a way that we say, okay, I'll buy it from you. I'll get it, or I get your truth, or I get your idea, or I get your inspiration or your information. So studying, informing yourself, feeling information gives you security, gives you like, okay, now I can debate. I have all the facts, I have all the information. Bring it on. No, it's. You will be. The people will invite you, recognize you. And that's where the stimulation comes from. From the outside, just by being yourself. As an experiment. You can go to a dinner, maybe you don't, you don't know a lot of people there, but you just sit down and not initiate anything. You know, you just sit down maybe. Hello, the classical. Hi. Hi, how's everyone? Okay, but then do not initiate conversation. Just sit there by yourself. Sit there as an experiment and you will attract the attention of others. Hey, what's your name, man? What do you do? And boom, there you go. I do this, I do that, and this and that. Boom, boom. That's how you have impact. Instead of going there and initiating. Hey, I'm Ben, nice to meet you. And let me tell you what I do. And let me tell you, it's like, wait, it's an experiment for the generator, like I mentioned before, Ben, to be Patient to have the patience to wait, wait to respond. And you're a hunter, you know, you can be patient. I bet like. And being present, sensing what is happening, smelling, hearing, and then you react. Oh, I saw a movement over there. I heard this. Then you react. And so in life, in your case, Ben, as a generator, you're not going to. I bet you were not chasing for deers and running, and you were looking and pausing and look at. Seeing what's happening, your surroundings, being present. And that is part of your design to be present, to be here, to trust your intuition, Ben. Because the thing is, your intuition only speaks once. And if you do not listen to it, it's gone. Oh, I knew it. I knew I should have done this or should not have done it. Well, I told you so. Your body will tell you, but then the mind comes and, no, this cannot be true. So it speaks, or it talks to you, your intuition, through your body. It has nothing to do with your inner language inside your head. It has nothing to do with that voice. It can go through your lymphatic system. You can feel it. You can like, oh, this feels funny. I smell danger. I sense it. I will go the other way. Oh, I smell an opportunity. I will go this way. It's about that. To be aware, present, so you can hear what your intuition, your instinct is communicating with you because it has led you to survive all these years, and it will continue to do so now. Others will be attracted to you with your survival. Like I said, when something is dead, it's okay for you to let go. Like, okay, this is not generating anymore this relationship or this business or this attachment. Okay, I'm gonna let it go. This is not for me anymore. No, you can be good with food, like cooking, or if not cooking. Well, a lot of chefs have this. That you have this archetype. If not with food. The Chinese call it like the pot where you make the soup. You know, you can integrate the correct elements to form a team. You can be very good with teams. You can be like the captain and say, okay, you belong here and you there. You'll be with the numbers. You'll do the marketing, you'll do the presentation and mix the elements of a team so they can thrive. So it's in there, the cooking, knowing the right elements, the correct amounts. You will know who your allies are. And if you do not learn a lesson with John, let's say, well, Mary will come back with the same issue until you learn it. No, like. Like cycles. If for you're here Too, Your encounters, like the people meeting, coming to meet the meetings that you have, the people that you meet, your nemesis, your allies. And. And when. When you. When you learn a lesson, the universe says, okay, he. He passed the test. If not, the universe will say, okay, here's another trial, another experience. So let's see if this time he passes the grade with your encounters. And like I mentioned, be careful with strangers. Just keep your eyes open. You don't resonate much with strangers. It's more like your close allies, your network, your friends. And I will. This is an overview, Ben. I don't know. Comments, questions, let me know.

Oh, this is fascinating. I really like it. Thank you.

No, no, you're welcome, Ben. I will. When we finish, I will send you the link of our session. And also, obviously, I'll send you your chart since you are an investigator. Also some files regarding your genetic type and regarding the centers also. So if you're curious about it, I love human design. There's a lot of resources also online. And it's. After all, it's an experiment then. And it's a very cool experiment because it's about us. And what I like about this, Ben, is it says, be your own authority. You know, it's not about, oh, they're going to save me, the guru, my teacher, my this and my God and whatever. No, it's like, hey, be your own authority. Make decisions out of your inner authority and see what happens. So I love this experiment and I'm glad we connected, Ben.

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Well, I guess my only comment, I really liked this and it was really informative. Can I hire you to do the same thing for my wife and my sons?

Sure thing, Ben, of course.

Okay. Send me a payment link or something like that on WhatsApp or email, and then I will send you their birth dates and, you know, everything that you need because I think this would be really interesting for them too.

Exactly. Yes, it is. And actually that the founder of Human Design said, this knowledge is for children, you know, and he said, I agree.

I think this would be something very useful to know about yourself, early age. So, yeah, I think I would really like to have you do a session with the rest of my family. So let's do it. I don't even know what time it is. Right. Oh, yeah, I got to go pretty soon, but yeah, this is so interesting. I really, really like it.

Thank you.

Thank you for your time, Ben. And I'll send you the information and we'll be in touch for. For your family's session.

Oh, that's perfect. I'll tell them about it at dinner tonight. They're going to be super excited.

Alrighty, Ben.

Okay.

Thank you for your time.

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