The Ultimate Human Recharging Station - How To Reboot The Human Battery, Get To Sleep Faster, Increase Energy & Restore Your Cell's Proper Electrical Voltage With A Biocharger.

On this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness Podcast.

In modern life, we just don't spend enough time in nature, which is where our bodies can absorb these vital energies.

And that's what we try to do. We're not using cloud structures and things like that to generate unique sets of harmonics and frequencies. We can vary harmonics and frequencies in each and every one of our lightning discharges that we're generating. You know, they have their series of biohacking ideas that they'd like to do and they'll stack that. But that one I was almost a little nervous with just because of the.

Health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. All right, so if you've been following me on social media much, you may have occasionally seen me standing or sitting or bouncing up and down on a trampoline or doing any other weird fringe things that biohackers like myself do in front of this rocket ship shaped device in my basement. It's called a biocharger, and it makes all these crazy lights and sounds and whistles and hums. And myself, my kids, even my wife, who. And that's impressive because it's very difficult to get my wife to use anything, have been using this thing every day for about the past month and a half. And I have yet to wrap my head around all the nooks and crannies of exactly how it works. But the thing fricking does something like if my wife gets a headache, she goes and stands in front of it and pushes the little headache recipe that it has on it. I think it's called Clear Head, and her headache just goes away. I put it in the morning. I play that Clear head one in the morning. I use another one called nitro before my workouts, and it's absolutely mind blowing as far as what it's doing. But again, like, there are so many things going on with this device that, that I wanted to get the folks who actually designed it on the show to talk about it because I find it intriguing. I mean, it combines infrared light therapy and pulsed electromagnetic field therapy and sound therapy. And I think it has some kind of a noble gas or an ozone type of therapy. It uses these old school rife therapies, if you've heard of, which are a form of pulsing frequency. So, I mean, it's pretty crazy. And like I said, I think that the people who make this thing and who came up with this crazy idea would do a much better job explaining it than I can. And I'm also, honestly, I'm a little skeptical about some of it and I have some questions to ask about the science behind it. And also I want to know a little bit more about how it can best be used. And again, if I'm using something every day and it's definitely, definitely helping with a wide variety of functions, I want to make sure my audience knows about it too. So I decided to invite the masterminds behind this thing again called the Biocharger on my show. So I've got Jim Law and Jim Gerard with me today. Now these guys are involved with this company called Advanced Biotechnologies. And Jim Law is the managing member of Advanced Biotechnologies. He co founded it back in 2013. Prior to that, he held executive positions primarily in the technology world at companies like Apple and Next, then Jim Gerard. He has a huge background, more than 30 years in energy research using a lot of these frequencies. If you've heard of for example, Nikola Tesla and who hasn't, at least you've heard of the car. Jim has done a ton of experimentation with Tesla coils and with what are called wave oscillation technologies. And I know it's a lot of what is kind of woven into this biocharger as well. So I've got both of these guys on the show today. And just so we can differentiate between who's who, as is always the annoying case when we're having an online Skype based conversation. Jim Law, go ahead and say hello and introduce yourself, man.

Thanks, Ben. Pleasure to be here and able to address your audience today.

Awesome. So that's Jim Law, Jim Gerard, say hello ma'. Am.

Hi. Awesome to have us on here. Appreciate the opportunity.

Did you guys do a biocharger session this morning?

Yes, I did.

I'm down for two so far today.

I know I've actually been hitting it during, during the quarantine because, and I, I have to be careful about this because I know that you guys have, have plugged in some specific viral frequencies into that and I have to be very careful with my language nowadays it seems I can't really, you know, talk about, you know, cures and remedies and all that jazz. But I've actually been running the, the viral protocols that you guys uploaded to that when this whole quar started. I've been running those every single afternoon. I've been doing something like clear head or one of the other kind of wakefulness or the chakra balancing recipes in the morning. And then typically at night I slip into my little, I Call it the Zen den at night. And I typically do something a little bit more relaxing or meditative at night. Like you guys have your pineal gland one and then another really relaxing one, a solfeggio one for alpha waves. And I'll go in there and do my devotional reading or scriptural reading night or do a little bit of meditation with it. So I'm literally hitting it like three times a day. And this morning I actually did the Solfeggio frequency 1, the one that's more musical based, which I just wanted to mess around with. That was one I hadn't run much and felt really good after that. So all sorts of uses for this thing. I have found that when I use the like the five hour energy recipe or I use one of the more pick me up recipes, if I do it too close to bedtime, I'm screwed. That thing just jacks you up for a few hours. But aside from, I've been using this thing quite frequently. So I'm glad to hear that we're all biocharged for today's interview.

You got it?

All right, cool. Well, let's jump in. So this, this biocharger, it's got a lot going on and I don't know who's best equipped to answer this question, but I guess my first question is what, what is this device? How do you explain it to people?

Jim Gerard can go deep on pretty much any of these subjects. And if it's okay with you, I'll start out kind of give a 60,000 foot level and then we can drill down as you know, you'd like. First off, the biocharger is not a medical device. We make no claims, it doesn't cure anything, and we don't advertise it as such. It's a subtle energy revitalization platform. And we'll explain more about subtle energies in a couple minutes. But the biochargers affectionately referred to as kind of the ultimate human recharging station because it simulates and amplifies four distinct energy types that exist in nature and frankly are vital to our health and wellness. These energies are essential for proper cellular function. And that's what it's all about. I know, Ben, that you've been a follower of Dr. Jerry Tennant and read Healing is Voltage.

Healing Is Voltage is a great book, by the way. I just gotta jump in and say that. But explain what that has to do with the biocharger.

Sure. So what Tennant first did was prove that healthy cells have three common characteristics. One is uptake in nutrients Two is dealing with toxicity and the third is voltage. And he goes on to explain that all chronic disease has a common characteristic of inadequate cellular voltage. And in fact, chronic disease can only occur when you lose the ability to make new cells that work properly. So at the cellular level and healthy cells, healthy body, you have to have energy and you have to have the right amount of energy for the cells to function properly. And you know, our bodies are making cells, new cells, at a rate of 2 to 3 million per second. Our bodies are also self healing, self regulating and self regenerating, but they're all dependent on making healthy new cells. So we look back and we say, okay, 45% of Americans have at least one form of chronic disease. Why the energy shortage? Why is there a shortage in cellular energy? And we think it boils down to a couple primary factors. One is that we just don't spend, as in modern life, we just don't spend enough time in nature, which is where our bodies can absorb these vital energies. I mean, think about how much energy you had when you went to the beach or spent a day in nature, right?

Or even just walk outside barefoot. I mean, which I don't know if Jerry talks about that much in his book. But just to clarify with folks, when you're talking about Jerry's research and that book, Healing is voltage, it's basically typically a negative millivolt potential that is required for proper cellular function. And that's related to the entire process. For example, for turning fatty acids into glucose, you know, the Krebs cycle, that is converting ATP to adp that is necessary on a proper electrical status to keep the cell functioning. And if the voltage drops, then you get into an electron donor status that causes a change in polarity. And when the voltage drops really low, that's where Jerry talks about disease setting in and some of the cell membrane function actually being affected pretty significantly, which is actually something I've recently been talking about. And Robert Becker gets into this book in his book, or this concept in his book, the Body Electric as well, this whole idea that these electrical feedback loops are very important, but these, these voltage gated calcium channels where you get this steep influx of calcium causes this huge positive charge inside the cell. And that can ultimately lead to a lot of cellular dysfunction. And you know, when you, when you go outside barefoot, for example, you're getting exposed to negative ions that can help to reverse some of that charge deficit. In contrast, when you get exposed to, let's say, a real hefty. Well, we, we know, for example, now that 4G and 5G signals activate that vol calcium channel significantly and cause a sharp influx of calcium into the cell. And this is something we could probably talk about for hours. But ultimately this idea that the human body and the cells in general are a battery is something that is pretty profound when you think about whether you can charge that battery or drain that battery accordingly based on your activities.

Absolutely. It's similar to a cell phone. I mean phones work great until you get down around 5% and there's not a lot of life left in them and if you don't charge it. And our bodies are essentially the same way, one of the other things. So lack of access to the natural energy sources we think are contributors. But also when you're inside, we live in a shielded box. We're not even, not only are we blocking those healthy natural energy sources, we can talk about the specifics on those, but we're also being bombarded by man made emf, which isn't necessarily good while we're on the inside. So we put it this way, when we're outside, you're inside nature. The biocharger brings you inside nature again by being able to sit next to it, spend 10 to 15 minutes, you don't have to touch anything, exert yourself, you can relax, you can do it with a loved one or you know, two to three people simultaneous. And the common changes that people notice are improved sleep, more energy, better clarity, faster recovery. And essentially whether you're young and healthy or older and maybe not so healthy, there's something in it for everyone. Because in general, by being able to help restore that energy at the cellular level, your body can function and reproduce and that's the only way it knows how to heal.

Yeah. And I'll link to a really helpful article on PubMed about energy medicine and about how some of these voltage channels work in a cell. And this concept of restoring a positive or not really positive, really, it's more of a negative millivolt potential inside the cell. But specifically, what are the technologies that are used in the biocharger to allow that to happen? Because from what I understand, it's not just like pulsed electromagnetic field frequency or negative ion generation or something like that. I'm curious if you guys can, and we have plenty of time for to rabbit hole on this, explain the technology behind the different things that are woven into this thing.

So at a high level, pemf, and you're, you're very familiar with PEMF and the mats, the, you know, there's different devices that have Apparatus or tables and.

Chairs, pulsed electromagnetic fields. For people who aren't familiar with that.

What'S different about the biocharger in the way that we're creating and emanating that that energy is that we're able to build a high enough concentration of PEMF so that by sitting next to the biocharger, your body's being bathed in it. We can also control the range of frequencies that the PEMF is being emitted.

I'm going to stop you as you go through each of these. But pemf, you know, that's a mild electrical magnetic current. And usually in my own experience with pemf, because I actually sleep on a PEMF mat and then have this table called a pulse centers table that'll get a massage on or apply certain coils that are attached to that unit to different areas of the body to cause that magnetic field to have the effect that these PMF frequencies can have on, for example, pain, inflammation, blood flow, even those voltage gated calcium channels, for example. In my experience, I've always had to be touching the device, laying on the device, or having it touching my body. Now with the biocharger and the PEMF that it produces, how is it that those are having an effect on me without me actually touching it? Do they actually travel through the air, these PMF frequencies?

Yeah, so it follows like your normal inverse square loss. So if you have a strong magnetic field and like, like you're saying the pulse system, that's one of the high energy instant pulses, you know, if you get away from that, you know, five, six, seven inches away, you'll probably still pick up some of that field. So the field will drop off on the, you know, the distance of the square. But the, you know, the way in which the PMF interacts is definitely interesting. In each four of those different energy types has a different effect on the body. So with the pemf, for instance, you know, it's not working like your traditional electric field. You know, the electric field is a pretty straightforward mechanism that works off of, you know, gating those, the cell membrane, as you'd mentioned earlier. So you make that inner and outer cellular, moving the ions in and out and creating that charge that way. Whereas with the magnetic field, you're not really per se inducing the voltage in anything. But what you're doing is you're affecting the charged particles as an ion form. So you have all these ions, different ions, sodium ions, that are surrounding the outer and inner cell membrane. And what it does is it helps to arrange Those in such a way that it will make the concentration of those ions if it's sufficient enough to allow it to gain naturally. Whereas with the electric field, you can make that gate whether you have any of those ions or not there. So the magnetic field works a completely different way than the electric field. And each one of these have a profound different effect on how these ions are being moved back and forth, whether it's intercellular, outer, cellular, or in between. The electric field and the magnetic field both have its own unique functions.

Okay, so. So there are two different fields that are being produced by the biocharger, Both an electrical field and then also a magnetic current.

Yes.

Okay. And the magnetic current, I.e. the pulsed electromagnetic field current.

Exactly. That's more what you would see with the MATS or anything like that. It's producing, whether it's a sudden impulse where it's a short duration of a very strong magnetic field, or some of the MATS where it's a lower energy, but it's just a continuous wave of a magnetic field.

So if those magnetic fields are being broadcast through the air, how far do they actually travel? You mentioned that the power of the field will decrease as a function of the distance from the device, but we've established you don't need to be touching it. How far away from this thing do you actually need to be to get that effect?

Well, ideally right around, you know, if you're within a couple of feet, the magnetic field is the one that breaks off the quickest. So the magnetic field we're measuring, you know, we can measure 3000 milligauss 6 to 8 inches away from the biocharger.

Okay.

But the, the electric fields are much further one. So if you've ever had the fluorescent bulb, for instance, if you like the fluorescent bulb, you're going to light that a much further distance away. That's going to be maybe six or seven feet away, where it's, It's. You're producing enough of an electric field to cause the, the gases inside the fluorescent tube to ignite to fluorescent. And then you also have that visible light which goes much further. Visible lights going to go as far as you're going to be able to see it. And then the radio frequencies and harmonics are the same way. That's also breaking down as the distance squared. But if you have an oscilloscope or spectrum analyzer, you can measure that 10, 20, 30ft away very easily.

So one of the actual therapies that is being produced by the device is the pulsed electromagnetic field therapy. And that's something that is going to impact, for example, everything from the. I know it impacts, for example, red blood cell flow, inflammation, oxygenation. And, you know, I've been using PEMF for a very long time. I have multiple podcasts on it. And so I think that my listeners might be familiar with that. But then there, in addition to pemf, what are the other, I guess, currents or features that are built into this?

Yeah, so part of that magnetic field is out of phase with it. We have an electric field also. So the electric field is completely different. That's the one where we're not gating, we're not arranging the ions with the magnetic field. But the electric field responds completely different on the cell membrane. So if you look at the cell membrane, it acts like an insulator or dielectric, much like a capacitor. And when you apply voltage to it, you can stress that excitable membrane. When you do that, you start to create tiny holes in it which become ion channels. So with the electric field, you begin to create different types of holes that are in within the cell membrane. And these different ion hole sizes create different channels for proteins, amino acids. There's all sorts of different things that could be carried in on that electric charge with it. But it all begins with creating that tiny hole in order to create everything to happen. So, you know, I look at it, the biocharger is not so much as like a true battery charger, like your cell phone. So if you look at your cell phone and you plug it in, it charges up a battery. How I look at how the battery actually works is it's not so much that, but it's. So if you could imagine having power coming to your or not having power to your outlet and you're plugging in your phone to charge, nothing's going to happen. Even though you have power on the other side of the breaker box, right. And you're plugged in to do it. Nothing's happened until you flip the switch on. And what the electric field does is actually flip the switch on to allow the sodium potassium pump to kick. It allows all your normal cellular functions to happen with it. So it's that gating of the electric field through the cell membrane, that's an important feature. Whereas the magnetic field, it's all about arranging the ions on the outside and on the inside, which is a completely different effect. And then we also have the frequencies and harmonics. So if you think about it, everything vibrates first on an atomic levels. We have atoms vibrating at the speed of light.

Now the frequencies and harmonics. I'm going to interrupt you again. We're getting into a different territory now than the electrical fields or the pulse electrode, the pulsed electromagnetic fields, which are two of the features that are built into the biocharger. I got a comment, by the way, you mentioned its potential effect on the sodium potassium pump. And I got to throw this in there because I know some of my listeners may question that because I've commented before that I think that Gilbert Ling pretty much disproved the concept of a sodium potassium pump. Suspect that the electrical field is more acting on the actual cytosolic components. In terms of the actual, the gel like form of water within the cell in the intracellular compartment. I think that's what's being affected by the electrical field, not necessarily the sodium potassium pump. And I think the voltage gated calcium channel is likely being influenced as well by the magnetic fields and the electrical fields. But I don't necessarily, I'm not convinced that the sodium potassium pump is that important. But nonetheless, the exposure of these electrical fields is of course very important for maintaining that negative charge within the cell, as you've alluded to. And so we have the pulse electromagnetic field, we have the electrical field. And then you were starting to talk about these frequencies and harmonics that it produces as well.

Yes. So frequencies and harmonics are responding completely differently. So when you look at frequencies and harmonics, as I stated earlier, everything is vibrating. First you have atoms that are vibrating at the speed of light. So in physics class, when you study the light frequency spectrum as it relates to color, they'll excite different gases to fluorescent, they release photons of light. So atoms are vibrating at the speed of light. Now when you take atoms and you make molecules, they vibrate slightly slower. So they'll vibrate at the molecular spectrum. So the molecular spectrum is more lower frequencies because you have these different energy states between atoms that go in to create a different vibration and that goes from about a half a gigahertz up to nearly distal light. And then you have your, the magnetic, the nuclei, atomic nuclei vibration. And that's sort of what the MRI is based off of. So with an mri, they put you in the magnetic field and they bounce radio waves at it. How they absorb and emit frequencies, you can determine specific characteristics of almost anything based off of its electrical signature. So what we're doing is we produce a wide range of these frequencies and harmonics and the idea is to resonate them. You know, the idea is that I always like to use the analogy of Two tuning forks of the same pitch. So if you hit one through sympathetic vibration, the other one starts to vibrate. Similarly, on a cellular level or an atomic level or a molecular level, if you hit that right radio frequency, you can begin to transfer energy. And that's the third source. So you can design recipes or programs to target for specific outcomes based off of that idea.

Based on, based on the actual hertz.

Frequencies, based off of the hertz frequencies that have been laid out, from whether it's Wright's original works to physicists laying out the whole spectrum, to scientists, universities, colleges that are investigating the effects of radio frequencies. And a lot of this is getting very well documented, and those are sources for a lot of our recipes.

Okay, I want to, I want to back up and clarify just a few things here. First of all, lightning, when lightning strikes the ground, I know that it, that it charges the earth with these negative ions. And then the energy from those discharges, if you were to go outside barefoot, for example, are something that's going to help with that cell voltage. However, I believe, from what I understand, that some of these frequencies, some of these harmonics, are actually also something that are related to the striking of lightning, which is one of the primary ways in which the Earth kind of maintains its electrical charge. Now, when I'm using the biocharger and I'm looking at it, especially this top little kind of stick coming out the top, it looks like I'm seeing thousands and thousands of lightning bulbs or lightning bolts, you know, literally at like every second. So I'm curious, what is this very similar to bringing lightning into your home? And if so, how exactly does that work?

Yes, it's exactly what it is. And that's where the basis of all this is, is, you know, the, I believe in the electric universe. So if you think about it, we have 100 lightning strikes every second. Each lightning strike produces a unique set of harmonics and frequencies that span all the way up to the gigahertz range. Am, fm, shortwave, long wave, uhf, vhf, millimeter, all the way up to visible light. When you look at it, when it's exciting the, the air and stuff, and you get the photons of light from it. So lightning is a very important part of it. And if you think about it, every other planet's doing the same thing, you know, so those are our sources of these wide range of natural EMFs that we're really not getting when we're inside, shielded in a building, it's got rebar in the walls, or you got a metal roof on it. You're blocking a lot of that natural energy as well as we get it from the sun. And, you know, the sun's the largest source of EMF in our solar system, and that's still just a small part of what we get outside of our solar system. So if you think about it, everything that's spinning in the universe is generating these plasma discharges that generate unique sets of harmonics and frequencies. And when you look at it on the spectrum analyzer, it looks like it's a continu thing, but it's actually like you say, it's a series of lightning discharges that are occurring everywhere. And that's what we try to do with the biochargers. You know, we're not using cloud structures and things like that to generate unique sets of harmonics and frequencies, but we figured out, using electronics, we can vary harmonics and frequencies at each and every one of our lightning discharges that we're generating.

Okay, and are you using. Because I know that there are are different tubes. If you look at this biocharge and folks can go to the show notes for this episode, if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com BioCharge as in just biocharge, Just what it sounds like. If you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com BioCharge I'm gonna have a picture of what this thing looks like, but there are multiple tubes inside it that, from what I understand, are full of gases. Are you charging these gases to create that lightning bolt kind of effect, or are those there for a different reason?

Yeah, so the lights are actually the fourth part of it. So what we're using is the energy from the coil to excite the gases into tubes to release photons of light. So if you ever went outside and wondered what causes that blue in the sky? So the blue in the sky is a result of all these different gases in the atmosphere that get excited by solar radiation. It excites the gases and releases photons of light. So what we've done is we put individual gases in each tube, and you'll see what spectrums of frequencies that they're producing. And like I mentioned earlier in physics class, when we're studying it, that's what they do. They put different elements in each one of the tubes, and you'd see specific spectrum lines associated with each type of gas produced. And for instance, the neon produces that far infrared. Infrared. And that's why it's that orange. And that's why you see devices like joovv that utilize that. It's because of the type of gas that they're excited to fluorescent, actually releases those spectrums of frequencies. So what we're trying to do instead of like what you is where you're just focusing in on one narrow spectrum of the visible light spectrum is we wanted to add different spectrums of frequencies. So by adding gases to, we've actually added, I believe, about 152 different wavelengths in the visible light spectrum with all the different gas tubes that we're doing, instead of just in a narrow band where you're only producing a handful of.

So these tubes are full of things like argon, krypton, neon, helium, mercury, etc. Those are actually vibrating and producing photons of light. And we know that's just basic chemistry. We know that biophotons can be produced and that's the visible light that we might see. But when it comes to the actual nanometer wavelength, you know, when you look at something like Joov light or a lot of these red light therapy devices folks are using, typically it's like 600 to 900 nanometers of wavelength or so. What, what exactly are we getting from something like a biocharger?

Well, we go much higher into the visible light spectrum there that just the far infrared. Infrared, that's slightly lower than that. But like those spectrums of frequencies, it goes, I can't say offhand the nanometers, but the frequency spectrum would be between 10 to the 12th Hertz and 10 to the 16th Hertz are the spectrum of frequencies in the visible light spectrum. And the type of tubes that we're generating are within that spectrum.

Okay, got it. Now, does this mean that when I'm using it, I need to actually be looking at the device to get the beneficial effects of that light or what. What exactly is the best way to be absorbing that light? And what's the proposed biological effect that light is having?

Well, I think light is a big part is it's, you know, I look at is almost the, you know, our bodies are photosynthesis designed also not just plants grow off of it, but our bodies do. And if you think about it in the morning, how important light is, you know, light. Light isn't just about waking up our mind, but there are so many different functions that are awakened when that happens. And if you think about how much more energy we have during the summer months where we have more light from that perspective of that full spectrum and how it works, I mean, there's many different mechanisms that have been defined. And you just spend A couple hours and scholarly Google, you'll find hundreds of different articles that define all sorts of different benefits of these different types of light. You know, they use it in the form of seasonal affective disorder, to bone healing, to stress, to recovery, to, you know, the infrared stuff helps to flush the detoxify, that sort of thing. So many different functions that are associated with light. So Max Planck Institute was investigating the effects of these natural EMFs. So what they ended up doing is shielding completely a group of people, not shielding completely a group of people for short periods of time, over a long period of time. So they didn't want to create long term effects, but they were studying these short term effects of natural EMF and the blocking of it. And they found so many different things, whether the sleep, anxiety, hormones, secretion and so many different aspects were affected by that. And what they also found within that study, that when you reintroduce the natural ones, like the circadian rhythm frequencies, many of these, or if not all those things were completely restored in a very short period of time. So there is an aspect of that our bodies are really designed to be in this white noise, wide spectrum of frequencies and harmonics. And you know, a big question always is, you know, really what is the difference between these natural EMFs and these man made EMFs? Because when you look at it, you know, they're both producing a type of frequency and things, but you know, what are those really the differences? And why is it that one may be helpful, one may not be helpful? And I think that that's partly what, you know, science is starting to really investigate. And, and I really think that the big difference is, and why the biocharger is different than man made is the fact that in nature, as you alluded to, that we're constantly having plasma discharges everywhere in the universe. And each one is its own unique event. It's creating its own unique sets of harmonics and frequencies. Therefore a short period of time their pulses off and on. And when you see, as you mentioned earlier with the biocharger, you have these plasma discharges that occur, but they're bunch of single events that are happening. And it's that pulsing off and on that makes it unique or difference. Whereas like with WI fi and things like that, you're dealing with a continuous wave where you have to have that continuous wave of information going. You can't chop it off off and on, you lose the signal and the power, like our 60 Hz power line, you can't turn that off and on all the time. And the advantage of why you want to have it off is to allow the cell to go back to its own natural resting potential and allow it to be its own resting potential, which.

Would occur if that signal were pulsing, for example.

Exactly. Whereas with the continuous wave, or what you would see with WI fi and things like that, it doesn't allow the body or the cell to actually go back to its natural resting position. And that's why it's so powerful and that's why the biocharge is powerful. And that's why you see some of these pemf, these systems that are out there that are working. It's because of that.

So basically, in a nutshell, we've got the pmf, we have the actual voltage, which is what you'd get very similar to if you were outside barefoot or you were exposed to say like a lightning storm or something like that. And then you have these frequencies or harmonics which are sounds like hear them when you're using the biocharger. And that's more also related to the effect of the discharges that are brought in by the Tesla coil that's built into this thing. And then finally you have the so called photobiomodulation, the production of light, specifically by charging the gas particles that are in these tubes that are inside the biochar. Those are the four different energies that are being used in this thing, correct?

Exactly.

Okay, I got it. So I have a few follow up questions. Obviously first of all, as I briefly mentioned, but I wasn't quite clear on this. With light therapy, in many cases folks say you need to be looking at it, or sometimes you need to even have your clothing removed so that you actually get something like infrared or red light exposed to the skin without the clothing blocking that effect. Any best practices as far as getting the most out of the photobiomodulation, the actual biophotons of light being produced by this thing?

I mean, with the light part, I, you know, from our experience we've always kept the clothes on just because that's a, you know, it gets a little bit a different experience. I think if you're standing, sitting around naked, especially if you have a group of people doing it. But from our experience with the way we've had it set up, it's worked very well for us. I think that there are parts that even with your eyes closed or, you know, there's a part of the light is going in you anyway, if you ever shut your eyes, you can see some of the, the different shades that are going on there And I know that as light is pulsed, it responds different than continuous light. And that's why if you see many of these devices that they're using, they're not using continuous light, but many of them vary the way which they pulse it. And that's partly because of the way the wave hits the body when you're turning it off and on like that. There's different things that have different effects as a result of that. That's been pretty well documented.

Well, that's my understanding as well. I mean, that's based on a lot of the research of the Russian biophysicist Alexander Gurech, I think his name was, who showed that there's a certain amount of cellular mitochondrial stimulation in response to some of these light frequencies. And they're not dependent upon retinal exposure. We're talking about either photoreceptors on the skin that are exposed to light or even the UV radiation that you get mild exposure to from these light frequencies. So I've never been convinced that you got to have your eyes open. I think probably if you had your skin exposed, you get a bigger effect compared to not having some of those photoreceptors on the skin exposed. But I personally don't necessarily stare at the biochar the whole time I'm using it. Often I'm reading a book or stretching or, you know, doing something that does involve. That doesn't involve me looking directly at the charger.

Yeah, and that's my experience, too. I mean, sometimes I'll leave my eyes open, sometimes I shut. You know, sometimes I sit and meditate. Sometimes I focus in on my breathing, sometimes I focus in on an intention. Because as we all know, that intention helps. You know, it's been proven that the placebo effects work. So if you have a positive intention while you're doing it, you know, things like that, all those little subtle things will help in the experience that you have with the biocharger.

Okay, got it. My next question is regarding the actual. And this is something I told my kids. I was going to interview the folks who designed this biocharger, and they wanted me to ask you this because they like to touch it when it's turned on being used. And you get this arcing of electricity from the device to your fingertips, almost like a lightning bolt bolt into your fingers when you touch it. Is it safe to touch? Is it therapeutical to touch? What's the deal? What's happening when you actually put a finger on the device while it's on?

Well, what's Happening is, technically speaking, you have a higher potential at the top of the coil, and your body's at a lower potential because you're standing on the ground. So it will naturally want to arc to the lower potential. So as you bring your hand closer to the arc rod or other points up near the toroid, you will see sometimes sparks that will jump out.

Okay.

You know, they may startle you. You know, it's. You know, they're. You know, depending on the frequency it's running at, you might notice a little mark or something like that on your hands more at the higher end, but definitely not necessarily necessary to do it. You know, the idea of why we use the high voltage is to allow to sit comfortably a little further away to, through the air, conduct the voltage, and by the time it gets to our bodies, it's not nearly as high voltage. So you don't really have to worry about actually sparking over or anything else like that. And, you know, conversely, also, like, if I was sitting near the biocharger and somebody else came up close to me, they would also. And they touched me. They may also feel slight shock between them. And that's also as a result of, you know, those difference of potential between the two sources. Horses.

Okay, got it, got it. So just very similar to if you were to rub your feet on carpet and then go touch someone. You're just getting electrical discharge now. It makes sounds. I mean, it makes a lot of sound. Like it'll go from low pitch to high pitch, back down. I've noticed that different recipes, I know you call them in terms of whether you're choosing a recipe for headaches or a recipe for Lyme or a recipe for digestion or anything else. The sound frequency CPU seem to change quite a bit. What's actually producing the sound frequencies as these sounds change from low pitch to high pitch and back down as you use it.

Yeah. So there's a specific function behind why we have those different tones or pitches. So as I was mentioned earlier, in music, you know, when you have two different notes, you generate harmonies or harmonics. And if I vary one of the notes, I generate different sets of harmonies or harmonics. And that's the principle behind what Royal Rife was doing. So as you change these pulse frequencies, you hear those different tones changing. But, you know, from a scientific perspective, we're generating unique sets of harmonics and frequencies. So as we. As you hear those different tones changing, just know that we're also generating literally hundreds of thousands of different harmonics, and they're constantly Changing every second. So depending on how we create our programs or recipes, determine on how we space those out, or do we just slightly change it by a thousandths of a hertz, or do we increase it by hundreds of hertz each time? Helps to drive on the type of harmonics and frequencies we want to generate.

And who is creating these recipes? That's what I'm curious about. Because when I scroll through, I mean, there's over 800 different options, you know, and I've got about 20 core ones that I tend to use. But you know, in terms of deciding which frequencies are going to target which cellular functions, or which frequencies might target a specific virus or bacteria or elicit some kind of an effect like energy or relaxation, for example, as you're programming the frequencies into this biocharger, and I actually have mine plugged in via an Ethernet cable. So every time you guys add a new recipe, it'll just automatically kind of upload there if I, if I click the little fetch button on it. But where's the actual research you guys just coming up with theoretically, which cells would respond to which frequencies? Or are you relying upon some kind of a research body to determine how frequencies are going to affect the body in a certain way?

Yeah, that's a great question. So we have many sources for how we create our recipes. So each recipe has four characteristics. They have frequency, duty, cycle, output and duration. And there are many sources beginning, like I mentioned earlier, with Royal Rife, he began to document some of these frequency lists. And there are open source frequency lists that he's created as well as physicists has started outlining the atomic spectrum, the molecular spectrum, the magnetic resonance spectrum. We also have sources like scholarly Google, where there's universities all around the world that are investigating all four of these types of energies. So as we scour some of these research documents and we're finding research that points the way that certain frequencies or magnetic fields or voltages or light creates a specific effect, we could create recipes based off of that. We also have sources like the Frequency foundation list. So there is a group of people, researchers that are investigating different frequencies and publish those particular frequencies. We draw on like sound research or brainwave research. So, you know, you hear about the binaural beats and the brain waves and circadian rhythms and the sofagio frequencies. So that's driven from more of a, an esoteric perspective. So the Safeggio frequencies were based off of the early religious music that was developed and you know, Safeggio or the Gregorian chants and things like that. So we have many different sources that we draw. And as well as you know, we have many, many practitioners that are using the biocharger and they have years and years of age experience working with other frequency devices as well as their own. And they've also helped to create some of these recipes that we've created. And then what we always do is we vet all that information. We create the recipes, we make sure it's working within the parameters we need to work in, and then we make that available, like you say, to the general public. Or we could customize the recipes and make it for you specifically. So, you know, we've done it all different ways with that. And the beauty is, is the platform. The platform allows us to be creative on how we find our different recipes and programs that we use.

Interesting. Have you found that people tend to combine recipes with other, I guess, biohacks or supplements or foods like, have you, in your discussion with people who have begun using this seem found people stacking multiple modalities when they're using the biocharger. And what I mean by that is, for example, just yesterday I used a topical transdermal peptide that's supposed to be really, really good for mental function. It's called Dihexa. And I smeared that on either side of my carotid artery, which is technically where you're supposed to put it. But then my research reasoning was, well, I want to engage in some amount of vasodilation afterwards. So I went down and ran the nitro program on the biocharger, which is kind of like a nitric oxide releasing type of frequency, and then paired that with something like a topical nootropic. That's one example the type of thing I'm thinking of. But if you guys come across and all the folks you've been talking to, certain things that seem to pair really well with this biocharger, I could touch.

On some of that benchmark. And so we work with several biohacking centers. And what we found is typically that the biocharger as an augmented therapy complements, whether it's something like cryo, even the chambers, hyperbaric chambers. If you're doing a breathing technique, Wim HOF breathing, or you're meditating, it tends to enhance that other therapy or that other practice. If you look at osteostrong, one of our clients, the fastest growing biohacking center worldwide, they have 100 locations, US are growing internationally, and the biochargers become a standard issue and one of their top therapies. But they're all about showing how to Increase bone density. And they have some very cool biohacking techniques, techniques to do that. But the biocharger as a complement to that has shown even better results. And then when you go into kind of uptake of nutrients and think about at the cellular level, you know, the importance of nutrient absorption. Jim can touch a little bit more on it. But high voltage enhances as a drug delivery system or as a nutrient delivery system.

Okay, got it. Yeah. It's very interesting when you say something like hyperbaric therapy. You know, I actually have a hyperbaric chamber and could, could I theoretically put the biocharger on, have that biocharger running outside the chamber, go into the chamber and still be getting some of the effects of that biocharger while I'm inside the chamber?

I would recommend that one to. Just because of the oxygen part of it, you know, there is always those issues with sparks and things like that. But doing it like you say, as a stack in the series, not a problem at all. I think people, I know many people that do both that, you know, you know, they have their series of biohacking ideas that they'd like to do and they'll stack that. But that one I was almost a little nervous with. Just because of the pure oxygen.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, with the home models at a slightly lower pressure, typically you don't have to worry about things like, like spontaneous combustion or sparks flying or anything like that. But I was just curious just because I happen to have a hyperbaric chamber next to the biocharger. Now, what about pets or kids? Is this safe for kids or pets to use or the people that should not be using a device like this?

We have kind of the standard fare of contraindication. So if you have a pacemaker or some kind of electrical implant, we don't advise using it within a six foot radius. But as far as kids, if you, you know, with, with adult supervision, no problem. In fact, it's kind of interesting. The, the biocharger in a family setting has proven to be one of the few. It's kind of like sitting around the campfire. We have several clients who's, who said, you know, we can't get our kids to sit down with us at the dinner table. And if they do, they're on their phones or they don't want to talk. But we have the most wonderful experiences biocharging together.

Yeah, that's. My kids go down there and read, you know, they're homeschooled. So they go down there and they'll do their Work next to it and just flip a recipe on. And I like it because I know they're getting four different forms of therapy the whole time they're sitting down there reading a book.

Yeah, no, that's great. And then as far as animals, they love it. And so you know that you've heard us a hundred times, you can't, you can't use placebo with the animals. I have, I have two older dogs, a golden, that's 12, and a golden doodle or labradoodle that's 14. They biocharged with me and have been for the past four and a half years. They're the most energetic 12 and 14 year old dogs you'll see. And what's great, they don't get sick, you know, they're drawn to it. And what's even more interesting is we live in a wooded setting and animals actually come into the yard when the biocharger is running. And my dogs who are normally on top of it would know if, you know, if anything set foot near the house. But they just kind of are zoned out and no telling what might show up at the window.

Yeah. And speaking of gathering around and using it, one thing it does seem to really interact with is phones and computers. I like it seems like you can't use the touchscreen on a phone and the computers kind of act funny. If you got a computer in there, why is that? What's it doing to phones and computers that make them act kind of funny when they're in close proximity to the biocharger?

Well, the main thing is it's your touch capacitor on your screen. So your, your screen works by you touching on it and your, there's a voltage change that's going on to the screen. It finds where your finger is. But what happens with biocharger is it's, it's acting like you're touching the screen all the time. So if you actually had your phone off and in your pocket, not a problem. But if you actually leave it on, not that you're using it, but at least the screen is enabled where you can do the touchscreen part, then it's not going to be a problem. But we've had people use the biocharger. Fifteen minutes later they get a phone call from a friend frantically saying, what's going on? He just called me a hundred times.

Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. I was just curious. I typically require if anyone's going to go in this special room I have downstairs, it's got the sauna in it and the hyperbaric and the biocharger, you know, it's again, my special place. I don't let anybody in there with their phones on unless. Unless they're in airplane mode and typically frown upon computer use in there anyway, so that's just fine with me. I like paper books and magazines in that room. It's just my safe little sanctuary. So how about the little arc rod that sticks out the top of this thing? You sent that to me after I had already installed the biocharger in my basement. And it screws onto the top and it's got a little cylindrical container that goes on top of that. What's that doing? And I also noticed if I take that off after I run the biocharger session, it smells a little bit like ozone. So what exactly is going on there?

So the arc rod, the function of that, we look as a couple different things. One is that it's that wow factor. So when you look at it, it's, you know, Gronk is a big fan of it and he. That's what he calls it's the wow factor. But, you know, there's also a safety part of it. But as you, as you noted, also, there's generating some negative ions with it. But when you look at it from a spectral frequency perspective, with or without the arc rod, you're generating virtually the same harmonics and frequencies. You're generating the same amount of voltage, you're generating the same spectrum and light. The only really big difference is it would be the. A slight bit of ozone. And that's what you notice inside that container.

Okay. All right. So. So having that thing on top of it is actually allowing for a better concentration of some of these frequencies.

Well, with the arc rod, it's not so much the concentration normally. What happens if you don't have the arc rod on? The voltage is stored on the toroid itself. That's a big aluminum doting at the very top below it. When you put the arc rod on, it allows some of that voltage to leak up. And that's what you're seeing it as in corona discharge. So from a. From a technical point of view, they're virtually the same. Whether it's your harmonics, your frequencies, your voltage, your light, they're all the same. The only slight difference would be, is a little bit of ozone that you're getting from it.

Doctor Got it Now. Now, in terms of these recipes, you know, I've alluded to a few that I really like. Like the clear head for the morning. It's like a cup of coffee for my brain or when my wife gets a headache, it destroys it within like 30 to 60 seconds. I like the nitro pre workout or a lot of times if I'm using a supplement or a nootropic, I'll run that one. I love just the peace of mind of the whole viral and immune system ones. And again, I have to be careful with my conversations around that. But I mean, I know that Mr. Royal, Raymond Reif, who originally designed a lot of these wave generating devices, had found that they could have some effect on things like bacterial cell walls or even. He caught a lot of flak for this. But many of his machines were used as alternative cancer treatments. And I think that's a whole discussion for another day, the controversy behind that. But there's obviously a lot of different cellular functions and a lot of different biological systems that can be affected by these frequencies. Frequencies, especially when you combine them with things like the light and the pemf. Now, what have you guys found to be some of the more popular recipes? Because I know at a Tony Robbins event, I know Tony Robbins is a huge fan of these things, you'll get thousands of people using a bio charger over the course of a weekend. And I'm sure you've gotten some amount of feedback over which recipes people really feel or really dig.

Sure. To use the example of. But Tony Robbins event, which, as you know, can go on four or five days, you're in at 18 hours a day. And Tony's such a fan, he wanted to allow his participants to benefit from the biocharger. And so now we set up these biocharger lounges at some of his Premier events and 8 or 10 biochargers and people just coming in all day long. But the things that they're running there are. We have one called Ultimate Adrenal. So obviously, you know, our adrenals are overused now. We break a fingernail, it kicks in our fight and flight mechanism. So that's a very popular one, one called get the Edge. So when people start to dip a little bit with clarity and, you know, brain fog, that kind of puts you right back into. Right back in the state. We have one called Pineal Mattress that activates the pineal gland, that gives you that kind of third eye and different perspective. That is a great one to do if you're sitting down for a brainstorming session or is, as Keith Cunningham calls it, thinking time, just awesome to just kind of get you to the next level for sleep theta wave. And so people with the events they may only get four hours of sleep total per night. They'll come and biocharge. Folks that know us, they'll come and biochar just before they leave. This might be one or two in the morning, and their head will hit the pillow, and they are in the deepest stage of sleep, and they wake up refreshed.

Which one's that called?

That's called theta wave.

Interesting. Okay. And then this one called Happy Days. I actually really like that. It puts me in a amazing mood. If I run that thing in the afternoon, I'm like, a real treat to be around it by dinner time. Not that I'm not normally, but I'm even better with that Happy Days one. What's that? Is that more like an alpha brainwave or what's that one doing?

That one was created by our head chef that we call him David Defebo. He's a nature path, and he's been with us since the beginning, and he's really talented when it comes to. To creating special, special recipes. And that's just one of the ones that he pulled out of the quiver that we created early on, and that's been a favorite for many people.

Okay, a little bit of background on that, because that's a really good point. And an example is that when we first started, we were, you know, we did some case studies and, and we, we tested athletes, the, you know, old, new, old, young, current athletes, injured athletes. And one of the things that we weren't looking for that emerged in the study was that they felt happier, that many of them due to concussions or injuries, had difficulty sleeping, they had, you know, difficulty focusing, depression, in some cases, anxiety. And David had created this Happy Days trying to be an anti anxiety, anti depression type recipe. And that has become one of the number one downloads worldwide. And, you know, we see people use it all the time for. To kind of get them in a better, happier state.

Yeah. And I think it's pretty slick. Again, I got an ethernet cable. I have it plugged into the back, so I don't even need to have WI fi turned on. Anytime you guys have a recipe or I ask you for a new recipe. Recipe from theI guess you got like 800 plus recipes. I don't want them all in my biocharger just because I don't want to have to scroll through them all. But I've got about, like 30 of my favorite ones on there. And when I hear you guys talking about a new one or, you know, like the other day, youyou emailed me about the pineal gland one, and I just go press a little fetch button and voila, it's there within a few minutes. So it's actually, it's pretty slick. I like the idea of this whole concept of having your own collection of recipes. And I know you can have different users on the device. Like, I can have my own collection of recipes and Jessa can have hers. So I think it's really cool. I like the way that you've done that. Now, a few other questions that I have. Could I theoretically be overusing this? Like, if I'm using it two or three times a day right now, is.

That too much if it's after the first couple weeks of use? Ben, you listen to your body and you can use it as you feel compelled to. Two to three times a day is not out of range by any means. I'm kind of a three time a day guy, as long as I'm not traveling or as long as I had access to a biocharger. What can happen early on is because we're very effective at detoxification, you can have a healing crisis if you use it too much before your body has a chance to adjust to it. So what we'll normally say is, you know, if, if you were coming in, you had an issue, let's say you had some back pain and you tried everything else. We might, you know, and we have recipes in support of recovery from back pain. So you might come in and run that on a, you know, three times a week. And we'll say three to four times a week for two weeks. And 90% of the time in the first week, people are saying, okay, now, yeah, this is definitely doing something. And they haven't put their bodies through a healing crisis once they've gone through the first couple weeks, you know, have at it. We're at those events and we're doing it for 12 hours straight. And we sleep like babies. We never get sick, and we have more energy and clarity than a lot of people. Especially by day five and six.

Oh, yeah. It's amazing. On a day where you have low sleep, you go and run one of the more energetic sessions and you're good to go again without having to tweak your neurotransmitters by drinking an extra cup of coffee. So, not that I want this thing to sound like one huge commercial for not sleeping, but at the same time, it's pretty impressive to have this in my back pocket where I can slip downstairs. I wish you guys would have, like a portable fold up version I could have in my hotel room for when I, when I travel. But, but ultimately it's very, very, very cool to have this in my basement. Now the, the thing that, that I know a lot of people are probably going to, to balk at is the fact that I, you know, I think the, the price of this is like 14, $15,000, something like that. Right. To actually just buy a biocharger outright.

Yes.

14, 9, 90.

Okay, got it. Now I know you guys are offering my listeners a $500 discount on that, but I think more importantly, you do have options for financing, don't you?

Absolutely. So we work with, we work with two different companies, one for commercial financing. And even if you have, even if you have a sole proprietorship and you know, a one man band, we're able to generally work something out through, through that financing partner. They have programs that require no down payment, no payments for 90 days, and there's no prepayment penalty. So especially for a business and with these times as we're coming back into business and into, you know, into real life again or whatever the new version of real life is, it's great to know that you could have a tool like this and be in positive cash flow before you have to write your first payment.

Okay, got it. So couple hundred, 250, around that per month, somebody could be able to get their hands on this thing and have it in their house or in their training facility, you know, physical therapy, clinic, anything like, like that.

Absolutely. And then, and then we have, for consumers, we offer financing through bread. So if you go to our shop page, modal will pop up and you can apply instantly for bread financing, which doesn't quite cover all of the price. You still have to put a down payment down, but it's pretty good setup.

Okay, cool. And I know you guys also have a special VIP package you're putting together for my listeners, all the folks who like to own nice things where you get the 800 plus different recipes, you get the biocharger, you get a personal consultation with you guys, you get a training session with you guys, and then any software updates you ever need, those just automatically happen. I think you guys are given like a $4,000 discount on that. And that's also all. I'll just put all the information for all this over in the show notes. If you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com biochemistry charge. And oh, and by the way, there's one other thing I wanted to ask you. It's from what I understand there's like a Built in speaker on it and you guys are going to start allowing for the production of music or the overlaying of music on top of these frequencies, is that correct?

Yes.

So one of the things that we've done and making the biocharge our platform versus the product and by building out the cloud infrastructure infrastructure, it gives us the ability to continue to enhance it, as you pointed out. So all the software updates and more importantly, believe it or not, we're now over a thousand recipes. So that whole idea of it wasn't just the ability to technologically be able to provide people a dynamic database of multiple recipes, but it's more of the community inspired recipes that that researchers and practitioners that are using the Biocharger platform are able to work together on. So that's more than a dream come true for us. So one of the things that we provided up front when we developed the biocharger is some additional hardware that gave us future capabilities. And part of that was audio modulation hardware. Another part of it is there's an optical port on the back of the, of the biocharger. So we are very close to releasing an audio modulation feature that allows you to stream music, voice sound through the arc rod. So you're actually hearing sound play through the biocharger. You know, we also support sound therapies today, but just this takes it to a whole new level and every, every client will be getting that.

Oh, that's cool. I can't wait. Because I love music and I could see it pairing really, really well with this. So that's very cool. So obviously this thing is one of the more advanced or spendy tools that I've talked about, but oh my gosh. I mean, it's been a game changer for me and I've got all sorts of crazy devices littered around my house, but I'm not joking, you guys. I've literally been using this thing like three times a day. So it's, it's, it's something I really appreciate and I want to thank you guys for coming on the show and explaining this to everybody.

Thank you for having us.

Thank you.

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