Two Female Biohackers Reveal Their Top Tips For Enhancing The Feel-Good Effects Of Dopamine, Oxytocin, Serotonin, Endorphins & More!

On this episode of the Ben Greenfield.

Fitness Podcast, it seems like some of these practices that are very big trends in biohacking, I've actually found that they put me in a state of fight or flight.

The idea is to take a product that you traditionally see on a health food store shelf, but infuse it with a luxury spa experience. We have to honor that and that there's different things out there, like technologies and supplements and ways of living that support our hormonal cycle that we need.

To honor, help performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and much more. My name is Ben Greenfield. Welcome to the show. All right, folks, I don't get to talk too often on this show to I guess what you might call female biohackers. And it's kind of funny because actually the last time I was talking to my guest today, they asked me if there was like a good word for, for a female biohacker. I have no clue because biohacking, hack, hack, hack does sound kind of like a, an edgy, masculine male type of, type of term. And it seems as though the industry is also just a little bit supercharged with a whole lot of, what would it be? Is it, is it yin or yang? A whole lot of yang yang. A whole lot of yang yang and not enough yin. But anyways, my guests on today's show, they are, well, a couple of female entrepreneurs, as you may have guessed by their, by their voices that chimed in there just a second ago. But they actually, they're really, really, like, steeped in this whole industry of brain and body optimization. And they actually kind of originated in the spa. Let them tell you their story. But they have been just blowing my mind with all of these cool, like, revolutionary infra light, infrared light technologies that they've started to delve into with their own company, Pulsed electromagnetic field technologies. Cool. Basically what I would consider probably at first glance to be like beauty products, but stuff that goes way beyond that, like ion charged dry brushing bristles and red light face masks and these special PEMF mats that are portable for on the go and sauna blankets that you can wrap around you. Just all sorts of cool stuff. So their names are Lauren and Katie. And I just had to get them on my show today. And it's because they've just blown my mind every time I've talked to them about all the cool ideas that they have that are pretty cutting edge in this whole industry. So, yeah, like I mentioned, Lauren and Katie are female entrepreneurs. They came together to change the spa industry. Starting off with Infrared light technology. Lauren is a nutritionist. She's a health coach. She hosts the series the Women vs Workout, which is a video series you can watch. I'll link to in the show notes. And Katie is one of Lauren's friends. She's a former investment banker at Merrill lynch and was international employee of the year at Tough Mudder, so knows her way around obstacle courses, too. And anyway, she in the past has been a conservative consultant for a bunch of different health and wellness companies, but then came on board with Lauren and Lauren's tack for infrared light technology. And between the two of them, they have launched this company called HigherDose, which is based out of Brooklyn, which is just absolutely transforming the wellness and beauty industry with this whole concept of technology and biohacking. So you may have seen them in the New York Times and Forbes and NBC News and Entrepreneur, whole bunch of other major publications are kind of picking up what Lauren and Katie are doing. Everything that we talk about, I'll put in the show notes. If you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com HigherDosePodcast that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com higherdosepodcast Lauren and Katie, you probably get this sometimes, but when you first started working with me and sending me some of your stuff to try and we started chatting on the phone, I actually thought you were like a cannabis brand with the name like Higher Dose. Do you get that?

Sometimes we actually do, and it definitely bothers us. And our tagline is get high naturally. So that doesn't also help.

Yeah, you may have painted yourself into that corner, unfortunately.

It's so true.

But you know what?

We feel like we're one of the very few health and wellness companies that are a little bit more edgy. You know, the way we communicate health and wellness. Dose stands for dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins, which are your four main happy chemicals.

Wait, wait, what does it stand for again? Because I don't think you ever told me this before. What does dose stand for again?

Oh, yeah. So dose stands for dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins, which are your four main happy chemicals. And we're all about getting high naturally by doing things that release those happy chemicals that ultimately make you feel good. So we're definitely more on the edgy side when it comes to, you know, wellness brands, let's just say.

And by the way, we came up with that name way before the CBD boom, like six years ago.

Claim it yeah, yeah. Before the. Before the whole. I don't know, it was the cbd. I think the three biggest booms have probably been cbd, keto, and I'd probably say, like, plant medicine. Seems like it's in there now, even though it's probably categorized in the same category, cbd. But it's funny how we see all these wellness trends like the marathoning of the 80s and the bodybuilding of the 90s and the biohacking of the 2000s and the CBD, keto, carnivore, plant medicine, whatever, of the 2020s, comma.

Exactly. Which we've dabbled in all of those.

Yeah, I was gonna say, comma, Covid.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah. So I actually first discovered you when you sent me one of your sauna blankets to try a. I thought it was going to be something I wouldn't use because electrical blankets are notorious for kicking off shit, tons of emf. And so I just, like, ditched all my electrical, like, heating blankets when I found that out and just had never gone near anything that was like a blanket that heats your body. Since then. I did a video on my website about how I took one of those biomat devices and wrapped myself in the silver Mylar blankets that you would use for camping or survival or sometimes even after one of those tough mudders, they'll wrap people in those things to warm them back up. But I have a video still on YouTube about how you can do your own DIY sauna by turning on something like a biomat and just wrapping yourself in all these Mylar blankets. And when you sent me your infrared blanket, it kind of reminded me a little bit of that, but it actually worked. And it actually got surprisingly hot in there. Like. Like, I was able to get a super deep sweat. And then you told me it was low emf, which actually got me kind of excited. And then I gave one to my mom, who absolutely banished all of her hip pain. Like, she would just climb into it every night. She had really bad hip pain and just disappeared after she'd been using it for, like, a week. I have a client right now who I'm training for a movie role in Thailand who doesn't have access because he's kind of, like, having to travel from. From, like, set to set as he. But he's really trying to kind of slim up for the role Detox. And so he's wrapping himself in that blanket every single day and also walking around in Thailand, which is a sauna in and of itself. And then what I've done And I especially like this when I get sick. It's kind of like the old school, like take a shot of whiskey and wrap yourself in a bunch of blankets and sweat it out type of remedy. But what I'll do sometimes find a detox or I also like it for just like a nap in the cold winter months is I'll wrap myself in this, this sauna blanket, just climb inside. So that was how I, how I first found you guys. But, but was that your first product, the, the infrared sauna blanket?

Yeah, it was our first direct to consumer product. I mean, you know, we originally started out with 11 infrared sauna spas in New York City.

What's in, what's an infrared sauna spa?

Pretty much that cool infrared sauna that you have in your basement. We did somewhat of a tanning salon model, but without tanning beds and rather infrared saunas. And we had partnerships with, you know, high end hotels and you know, gym brands like Equinox, where we had locations within these facilities and you know, our clients would come do the infrared sauna, do a cold water shower afterwards and that was it, that was the whole experience. And so in a way the infrared sauna was definitely our first product. But the issue was, you know, really not everyone can afford a big sauna that's really hard to take care of. So you know, we really wanted to create, you know, the infrared sauna blanket which gives you the same benefits with the same technology, but you know, obviously it's a much portable, much more affordable version. But really, you know, it came from the idea where we were asked to do pop ups, you know, with different brands and we really, you know, couldn't lug around a 600 pound sauna. So we were like, what are we going to do here? You know, we want to bring these amazing benefits and let people experience it. But you know, this sauna is a pain in the ass to bring everywhere.

And these clinics that you were running in New York, were those actual sauna blankets or were these like full on saunas?

Just saunas.

And people would just come there and sit in the sauna?

Oh yeah, we definitely made it a really cool experience, you know, by thinking about like, you know, red lighting in the room and like kind of cool music when you come in burning essential oils and you know, there was complimentary products in there and it was in a luxury hotel, so you get your own hotel room and then you have like, you know, access to do a cold water shower right afterwards. So it wasn't just an infrared sauna. I mean, we really nailed that whole customer experience and really thought about how do we get our clients high throughout the whole experience. High, naturally.

Right, right. Which is actually kind of true, and I'm sure we'll probably get into that. But I mean, like, the endorphin release that has been made quite popular by scientists like, say, Dr. Rhonda Patric is something that is such a rush and that you feel so much, whether you're using an infrared blanket or infrared sauna, that people actually get, like, addicted to the sauna, Especially people who struggle with, like, depression or feeling good or are, you know, stricken with seasonal affective disorder in the winter months. And that happens to me. Like, I will on days I don't do the sauna, especially during the winter in Washington State. I will actually feel it in my mood.

Well, yeah, so endorphins, but then also serotonin, which is probably the most powerful happy chemical that you get from light therapy, especially infrared therapy. You release a shit ton of endorphins through your skin and through your eyes. And that's really the happy chemical that combats seasonal affective disorder. But then we just thought through the whole experience, too, and it's like, well, how do we release dopamine? We play really cool music and create a vibe with red lights, and then we have really big saunas. So we promoted bring a friend with you. So this was, like, a healthy thing that you could do with a friend instead of going out and drinking, which is kind of like what you do in New York City. Right. So to, like, provide a healthy experience that you could do with a friend, a significant other, a colleague, you know, we also took, like, phone calls all the time in there. So we used it as, like, our office. And that releases oxytocin by, like, spending intimate time in a small box, naked with a friend, sweating and getting high off all these happy chemicals. So really, like a transformative experience. Experience when you came to higher dose locations. Because we were so thoughtful of the experience.

Yeah. And you actually nailed one of our taglines was addicted to Dose Ben. So people definitely got addicted to it, just like you were saying you did.

Yeah. And when it comes to the actual blankets themselves, like, this was a thing. I guess it was a little bit of a barrier for me. Not only the EMF piece, but also the piece about me being concerned that it wouldn't get hot enough. And it does get hot enough, as a matter of fact. We can get into this later on. And correct me if I'm wrong, you guys have one of the actual mats now kind of similar to that biomat device that's probably one of the more popular ones in the industry. But it's that same deep penetrating infrared heat combined with pulsed electromagnetic field therapy. Right, the electromagnetic waves.

Correct. We also have 25 pounds of crystals in there. Crystal therapy can be extremely powerful, especially when heated.

I want to ask you about that shortly, but sorry to interrupt, but before we get into that, what I was going to ask you was I resisted the blanket for a while for the EMF reasons I talked about. I only use a low EMF sauna at home and even the PEMF mats, many out there produce a lot of so called dirty emf. I would love for you just right off the bat because this was my biggest concern. So it might be other people's biggest concern. What is the actual way in which you're making it so that this thing doesn't kick off as much EMF as say, like a normal heating blanket might?

Yeah, I mean, at a high level, like we were very aware of the issues with, you know, some devices like this creating high emf. And going into product development, we wanted to make sure our model was as low EMF as possible. So we actually tapped one of our advisors, Raleigh Duncan, who's the CEO and founder of Clearlight, who's been in the infrared industry for over 20 years. And he was very experienced in, you know, creating low EMF devices. So he actually came up with the design in partnership with us and our manufacturer to make a low EMF model. I don't know if you want to go into any more detail on that.

Lauren, but yeah, no, I mean, I'm sure, you know how important especially clearlight feels about having low EMF and low ELF in their devices. But we took it a step further, you know, when thinking about these products and just thinking about the materials too that they come with and making sure that they pass VOC standards of California, which is a very, you know, high standard. Because again, if you're going to choose a, you know, technology where you want to make sure it has clean energy, you also want to make sure that the materials that it's made with are not off gassing all these chemicals, which is also like in a very important part of the process. So in terms of technology and design, this is something we were very serious about. And we didn't want to just come out with any version just to have a product out there. We wanted to come up with a product that we wanted to use and wanted to share it with our Families too as well. So on top of making sure that it was low EMF and low elf, all the materials are non toxic. And then of course we've added all these balancing layers to an otherwise hot product, which can be quite intense for people. So it was just about like layering in other technologies that really like complemented, you know, the infrared. That's kind of what was our thought process and how we got it done.

So, so this blanket, you know, I think I have like two of them now. I might even have three. I don't know. When people come over, I just like having closets, all of them plugged in the wall. And everybody loves to like climb on them, wrap themselves in them, lay themselves on them, read. Last night my sons and I were watching a new nature documentary that we really like right now, is new nature documentary called the Riot and the Dance. Which is, it's really cool. It's produced by a friend of mine who lives close to my house. And so my sons and I. My wife was gone last night, so we decided to have nature documentary night. So we made ourselves some steak and we went downstairs and we lay all of our like infrared blankets and infrared wraps down on the floor. And our dogs love it. The dogs come down and just curl up on these blankets. And that's like our downstairs living room. You know, we don't watch TV that much. Maybe like twice a month we might like slip downstairs and do something like that. But we literally have the whole living room floor just plastered in all these higher dose infrared sauna blankets and then your PEMF mats and it's literally just like this. It's just like cozying up to a cuddly teddy bear or something like that. But the idea behind these blankets, what I'm curious about is aside from just like gathering up as a family with our hairy dogs and sitting on the living room floor watching TV on these blankets, how do people actually use these? Like, like what are the common uses for someone that has never used a sauna blanket before? Like, do you just like climb inside it and sweat like you would with a sauna? Or how do people actually wind up getting the most out of these things?

Yeah, I mean, I would say for night, you know, 80% of people basically climb in and use this as a sweat, like a deep sweat session that they would expect to be getting out of a sauna session. So I would say, like, you know, often people use it on their off days for recovery or some people like the idea of a workout without working out because you can get a passive calorie burn just from laying in there. And I think, you know, a lot of the people who are most grateful and excited about the product are ones who, you know, use it for traveling and need to be on top of their game and have great energy. And we're always like, grasping to find an infrared sauna wherever they were going, but if there wasn't one nearby, they were kind of screwed. So the blanket's a great solution for them. And then during lockdowns when people couldn't come out to the spas, this was kind of like a godsend in a way for those folks too. I think it's more so than like using it in creative ways. Like you mentioned with your family, you're giving me all kinds of ideas for kids, forts we can build and stuff. I think it's just that traditional sweat session people are looking for, but just in an at home or a travel format.

And so when you say that you burn extra calories inside it, is that actually true? Because the reason I ask is I know it increases your heart rate when you're hot just because you're having to push more blood through the body. And sometimes I think some people will correlate an increased heart rate with the idea that, oh, therefore I must be exercising and burning calories. Is there actually, and I haven't looked into this too intensively of late, but is there an appreciable increase in calorie burn when you're hot inside one of these things?

We definitely have clients that use wearables that tell us and confirm, oh, I burnt 350, 400 calories in my hour session. We do have that data from clients and we.

I doubt it, though. I doubt it because, and sorry to push back on this, but I think those wearables are correlating calorie burn based on an increase in heart rate, not an actual increase. Like they're not measuring via what would be called like indirect calorimetry, the actual amount of carbon dioxide you're producing that would indicate, say, like burning more carbons or burning more carbohydrates or increasing fat oxidation or something like that. And, you know, I think that the long term effects of regular sweating and sauna exposure and heat does result in better cellular efficiency, which could, you know, indirectly increase metabolism. I'm not convinced you're burning a ton of calories in these things, though.

I mean. Yeah, another I guess, data point is we have a group of affiliates called the Keto Twins and they documented their weight loss journey using the sauna blanket over, I think it was like 10 to 14 days. You can find their documentation of this on YouTube. But they, you know, they had a very significant drop in weight over that period of time. And to your point, you know, it could have been the fact that your body's just working more efficiently when you're increasing blood flow and circulation. And like, some of these other benefits of infrared are contributing to weight loss. You know, I think it's probably a combination of variables that people see themselves getting more fit using the product.

Yeah, yeah. Now, the blankets, if you wrap yourself inside them and you get into this deep sweat, which I've done multiple times, like, you sweat just as much as you do inside a sauna. What's the deal as far as like upkeep and cleaning on them? Because I usually just like kind of open mine up and wipe it down with just one of the natural cleaning supplies that I have here at the house. But I actually haven't asked you guys much about, about how funky they can get and how you guys actually take care of them. As people sweat regularly inside these blankets.

First thing is definitely choosing really amazing material. Like I said, it passes BoC standards, but it's also melt proof, fireproof and waterproof, which is actually a really hard combination to get without adding all these chemicals in it. And people always. That's like the first question they have is like, how do you clean it? Sounds so gross. But because it is a water, waterproof material, it doesn't absorb the sweat, mind you. Just like anything, you know, just like a yoga mat and what whatnot, you know, as soon as you're done, we do advise that you do clean it. We've always just like said, mix some essential oils or something that's like not harsh on the sauna blanket and just spray it down and wipe it down and then let it air dry and then. And also cool down too before you, you pack it away. But we are launching essential oil cleaner that has probiotics in it too, that is very gentle. You can actually clean your whole entire house with it. Because there was such a demand and curiosity around, how do I clean this thing? And then we also, you know, really listen to our clients because you are supposed to wear clothes while you go into the sauna blanket to absorb a lot of the sweat. We decided to create something called a sauna blanket insert, which is really just two towels sewed together that is the same size as the sauna blanket. And what we've done is we made it out of organic cotton and bamboo. One, to absorb all that sweat while you're in there. And you don't have to wear clothes so you can go in naked. But two, to also have something that doesn't have chemicals in it. Because if you're going to go through that process of detoxing, which mainly when people go into an infrared sauna or infrared sauna blanket detox is top of mind. You don't want to be putting any chemicals back into the body. So really, the sauna inserts mixed with the cleaner that we have really makes it so easy to clean. And both the products, the sauna blanket cleaner is called high maintenance because it's the total opposite. It's so low maintenance on how you care for your sauna blanket.

Okay, got it. Now, you mentioned the idea of the electrolyte loss and replenishment of magnesium, particularly that you think is important to go hand in hand with this type of deep sweat. Now, do you guys actually have ways that you're particularly kind of like optimizing magnesium or electrolytes in general?

It's funny that you ask. That was always one thing that people would ask, like, what are the contraindications with using this on a blanket? And of course, if you're pregnant or breastfeeding or like have a pacemaker or any sort of extreme condition, you should definitely consult with your doctor before. But the number one thing is, you know, being dehydrated, which is such an epidemic, I feel like here in North America, you know, people are not getting enough water, they're not drinking the right kind of water, that it's really mineral dense. And then we drink alcohol and coffee and sweat a lot. We don't get that water back into the body and definitely don't have the essential minerals in there to keep your body hydrated. So we were just really inspired by magnesium in general. Katie and I are both huge fans of magnesium, and we feel like as a baseline, everyone needs to be taking a magnesium supplement, mainly because it's responsible for over 300 functions within the body, which is insane. And it's mainly, you know, one, it's an electrolyte, so it helps you stay hydrated, but it also, you know, helps you stay calm and relaxed. It helps with detoxification, recovery, mood, all the main reasons why people were coming to us in the first place. So we just thought, like, we were just so impressed with magnesium in general and again, feel like everyone should be taking it. So our next line of body care products and ingestibles is inspired by magnesium and has all different types of forms of magnesium. As you know, you need to be taking all different types of forms of magnesium in order to get the inadequate amount. And plus, different forms are responsible for different, you know, functions. So we just felt like this was, like, such a hero ingredient for us and that we were going to, you know, use this ingredient across our ingestion and topical line that we're going to be coming out with hopefully in the new year. And the idea around the topicals and ingestibles is really just how to complement the devices and enhance the benefits and the reasons why people are using our products in the first place.

Okay, got it. And so would you say that based off of what you've seen, magnesium appears to be the most important thing to focus on replenishing if you're doing a lot of heavy sweating in these type of devices, or are you looking at a range of other electrolytes or minerals?

So we do have a specific hydration powder that has a range of minerals and electrolytes and different salts that are important for hydration. And that one specifically is a hydration product. But we actually are using it also, you know, for example, in our detox bath, which is magnesium zesting, which is a very different types of magnesium and Epsom salts. And we also added things like kelp and different types of algaes in there. We added a clay and then apple cider vinegar. These ingredients are all really good for detoxifying the body. And it's also just a very different way to get magnesium in the body. So it's not just hydration that we're thinking about. We're really thinking about how to use magnesium to really enhance all of those functions that I mentioned earlier, which is more mood detoxification, recovery. And these, again, are the top reasons why someone's coming to us and using our saunas and our sauna blankets. We have all sorts of topicals and ingestibles that has magnesium.

Now, when you talk about these bath products, are you saying this is stuff where you'd go from the sauna straight into the bath, add this stuff to the bath, and take a bath after your sauna? Are you just making sure that you get a bath in these products a few times a week to replenish everything transdermally through the skin, or do you have, like, a certain protocol that you use that combines the bath products with the sauna? Like, how does that actually look?

Yeah, I mean, we're definitely building out rituals around it, you know, and we're building out rituals that are focused on detoxification, one that's focused on recovery, one that's focused on more like skin, and then another one that's focused on energy. And then also these products are standalone, as you say. If you wanted to just buy the detox bath, you're still going to get amazing benefits from it. You don't need to have the sauna blanket. But as us biohackers love, we love to hack things and stack things. You know how we said we really focused on the customer experience and journey when we had this buzz. Now we're really thinking about how do we curate the customer experience and journey while at home. And you do that through products that you do pre, post and during to really enhance the experience and the reason why they're using the sauna blanket or the mat in the first place.

So you've got the sauna blanket, but then we've mentioned a few times this mat now mat, since you're not wrapped inside of it, you're not getting as hot as the blanket. But it's what I was sitting on last night when I was watching the nature documentary, and you get pretty warm. But I think, Katie, you mentioned there's like 20 or 25 pounds or something like that of, of crystals inside the mat, which immediately makes everybody's woo woo radar go off anytime you say crystal. But tell me about why you would actually. Because, I mean, you know, it's like a. I guess the whole map probably weighs like 30 pounds. You know, I drag it out of the closet and lay it out in the living room floor. It's a hefty thing to haul around. But these crystals, I think are what's making it weigh a little bit more. Can you describe why you would put. Why you'd put crystals into the mat and how that works when you combine it with the heat and the pemf. Like, explain to me what's going on with this infrared PEMF mat.

Yeah, definitely. So we added the crystals to appeal to the LA crowd. Kidding. Not kidding.

That's right. Everybody at Erewhon wants their crystals.

This is something that we haven't really talked about yet, Ben, but part of our brand ethos and how we've kind of shifted our philosophy from just around dose and get high naturally to now we're looking at ways that nature inspires health and longevity. And, you know, Lauren and I started doing some research on what actually promotes longevity. And we found that there are like, common threads with people living in blue zones where they, you know, tend to live longer. And what we found is they have a lot of exposure to the sun, which is like infrared. They have a lot of like time in nature, which is similar to our grounding PEMF technology. And, you know, all sorts of other things that they experience in nature, like for instance, mineralized water, which is part of our magnesium line. And we felt like this infrared PEMF mat was like really a step in the direction of bringing the healing power of nature indoors through this PEMF technology, which is similar to grounding. And then I guess the crystals are an extension of that, where crystals are known to emit negative ions, especially when they're combined with heat. And negative ions are again, something found in nature that help balance, like the positive charge that we have around us that comes from things like technology and like electronics and just is more of a charge that's not as healthy for the body. So the negative ions help kind of like neutralize your charge and make you feel grounded and reduce inflammation. So I guess that's a long winded way of saying that these crystals basically promote negative ions, especially when combined with the heat. The mat really just gives you this magical feeling of feeling rested, feeling relaxed feeling in your body. We kind of sometimes say that getting on that gives you the sense of meditating without the effort because you're immediately able to drop out of your head into your body and just. Just kind of like feel like you're in nature and relaxed.

Yeah. Negative ions really is interesting because you'll find them all over the place. I mean, they float around in the air or the atmosphere, and they're literally just electrically charged ions. You know, you'll find them in like UV rays from the sun or a lot of times discharge of electricity. And that fresh smell you get after like a thunder and lightning storm. You'll find them a lot of times where water is colliding with things, you know, like in a waterfall or like on an ocean shore, which is another reason you feel so great when you walk barefoot along the beach and you're breathing in all these negative ions. You'll find them in many plants, you know, like that NASA clean air study. Yeah, a lot of those plants will clean the air, scrub the air, but then they also produce negative ions. I mean, I have a whole house negative ion generator made by a company called Aller Air in the central air ducts in my home. I buy these little negative ion generators and I'm plugged into every room of the house. In my, you know, in my, in my home I've got things like the air doctor Air filter that produces negative ions. Like, I'm constantly just bombarding my body with negative ions. And it's really interesting, the research on kind of like the endorphins from a sauna reducing the symptoms of depression. They can help with cognitive performance. I'm not just pulling this out my ass. Like, there's actual research on this. If you look it up on negative ions, they have antimicrobial activity. I mean, it really is cool to kind of like you would do with say, like natural light or infrared light or frequency of exposure to heat or to cold or movement of the body to circulate lymph fluid and blood and strengthen mitochondria and muscles. These negative ions, or anions, as they're also called, they actually are pretty interesting. Not a lot of people know about how good you feel when you're just constantly bombarding yourself with negative ions. And as you noted, I think, Katie, there's a little bit of an effect too, in terms of mitigating some of the constant exposure to emf, like WI fi and smart home appliances and things like that that dictate it's a good idea to introduce these things into your atmosphere.

I actually have a question. Most of these devices that you use to emit negative ions, are they using gemstones, crystals, minerals, or how's the technology there?

The technology varies. Some of them are crystal based, like the PEMF mat that you talk about, and some of them are just earth based, you know, being outside, you know, getting exposed to waterfalls, beaches, etc. The actual negative ion generators, I believe they're just generating them via like a. Like a conductor that's. That's inside the device, like the central home generator, not via a crystal per se, because there's a variety of different ways to Actually, you know, all you're doing is you're ionizing, you know, you're electrically charging air molecules. And so I'm not quite sure if a lot of the commercial negative ion generators are using crystals per se, as much as they're probably using some form of like a metal plate that ionizes the atmosphere and then passes those negatively charged ions into the air, if that makes sense.

Totally, that does make sense. And I'm sure even some of them use crystals. And the generator. The generator too, on top of that. But yeah, it's just pretty profound. I mean, we have a setting that you can leave the mat for 12 hours, which, you know, I always do at my house. And. And like you said, everyone is just like constantly wanting to Hop on my kids. You know, my husband falls asleep on it every night. Like, forget it. If you have an animal, you cannot get your animal off of our infrared penf mat. So funny. And it's really just like laying on a hot stone out in nature and that feeling that you get from that. So that's really what we were trying to replicate. And the thing is that, you know, we're so inspired by bringing nature indoors because Katie and I lived in New York for, you know, New York City for 10 years. I mean, both of us are actually in Miami currently for obvious reasons, because of the sun, the ocean, fresh air, walking barefoot. It's just like, you can't deny the amazing health benefits of it. But we really are inspired to bring, you know, these technologies to people that don't have access to the outdoors in nature, which we did for so long. And, you know, we really saw such huge benefits from us living in concrete jungles.

Yeah. So this red light producing mat, you actually can't see the light that comes off of that one, nor can you see the light that comes off of the sauna blanket. Can you explain to people why that is?

Yeah, so we actually use infrared, not red light. So red light is visible to the eye, whereas infrared is invisible to the eye. It's funny because when you're in our saunas, you don't see the light, but if you start to film it with your. Your phone, you can see the wavelengths. So infrared is very similar to the, to the sun. You don't actually see the light shining off of the sun. So it is an invisible light spectrum. And, you know, some people are confused with red light, which we're very fascinated about. And we actually are launching a red light infrared face mask where you do see the red light. But like I said, the infrared PEMF mat and our sauna blanket just uses infrared light, which is invisible to the eye.

Right, Exactly. Now, now, you mentioned the red light face mask. I remember you telling me about that in one of the phone calls that we were having where you're kind of filling me in on all these different products that you're rolling out. And this is interesting because a lot of times I'll do like the Alitura clay mask. It's kind of like a detox and rejuvenation protocol for the face. I typically do it on a weekly basis, but I always try to go out in the sunlight afterwards while I have the clay on. Or I'll go down to my office and flip on my infrared light panels and make sure I'm shining those on my face for like 20 minutes until I go and wash the clay off of my face. And he told me about this red light face mask and it kind of reminded me of those type of like red light producing hats that you see in like the back pages of an airplane magazine, you know, for growing hair. But is it literally like some kind of a device that you pull around your face or how does it actually work?

Yeah, we're really excited about our red light infrared face mask. Like you said, traditionally, people have come to us for beauty enhancements. And just as female biohackers, women are always thinking about how to hack your anti aging treatments. We discovered red light therapy a couple years ago and we're just fascinated by the amazing benefits of red light therapy. Like blown away. It's so comparable to infrared when you actually look into the research and data on what it can do. And one of the main things that it can do is, you know, it pretty much feeds the cells within your skin and builds collagen downs inflammation and redness in your skin, increases blood flow and circulation, evens texture and skin tone. And it does this all in one session. And you know, paired with infrared, you know, it's an amazing technology to pair with infrared because red light is more of a topical light. But infrared light, especially near infrared light, penetrates the tissues at least 1.5 cm, which is much deeper than, you know, the red light therapy and the infrared actually does a lot of the same things that red light does, but on a much deeper level. So when you pair these two technologies together, it's the most amazing anti aging beauty hack that there possibly is. And you're already starting to see this. When you go to like high end facialists and estheticians or just like skin experts, they're charging you an arm and a leg to lay in an infrared red light bed or to put a red light face mask on. And that's because you literally see such amazing benefits within just one session of it. So on top of all of these, you know, great anti aging and skin benefits, there's also mood enhancing benefits that you get from red light and infrared. You know, it's a really great tool to balance female hormones and boost testosterone in men. It's crazy because the more and more you look look into these technologies, you know, the more you like realize, like, it's just crazy. It produces stem cells, you know, it creates ATP, because pretty much the light feeds the cells within your skin. And it just really helps the skin operate at a much Higher level. And it allows the skin to do what it needs to do in order to heal and regenerate and help you stay youthful and younger longer. And, you know, the reason why we put this into a red light face mask is, you know, it's really great add on to do while you're laying in our sauna blanket or laying on our mat, because both of those two technologies, you don't really get any of the benefits directly on the face. So that's why we developed our infrared red light face mask as a great add on to the sauna blanket and matte.

So this face mask, if people want to see what it looked like, I haven't used it before, nor have I seen it. And I'm keeping all the show notes@bengreenfieldfitness.com higherdosepodcast where I'll be sure and include some discounts for people to be able to get some of this stuff. But does it. Does it actually like pull over your whole face? Like, does it cover your eyes and everything? Or what's it actually look like?

Lauren's probably not gonna like that. I say this, but it looks like a Jason mask, except it's light blue.

What's a Jason mask?

You know, like the horror movie Jason the guy.

It's such a dumb question. I don't even know what the horror mask is.

Oh, my gosh. So pretty much it is a mask that covers your whole face minus your eyes.

I'm grab my phone while you're talking. I'm going to Google Jason mask. Keep going.

Doesn't cover your eyes. And, you know, it has this nose piece so that you can breathe through it too as well. And then it has like a hole for your mouth so that you can breathe really easy.

I'm looking at it now. I used to wear a mask like this when I play hockey sometimes. Okay, interesting.

I mean, in a weird way, it does kind of look like that. But, you know, where the innovation again lies for us is we did not create red light therapy, we did not create infrared therapy. But what we did do is create a way that you can easily use this technology, you know, three to four times a day without it being a pain in the ass pretty much. So, you know, with the eye holes you can see through, so you can continue to do whatever you're doing, whether that's working, watching TV or just being present, you know, with, you know, friends or family. Then it's also cordless and it has, like, a chargeable battery so that you don't have to be plugged into the wall and you can't move. So you can like, you know, walk around your house and you know, continue to do whatever you want to do. And then it also has three straps which secures it very nicely to your face so that you can do a workout like do Kundalini do. Like again, it's all about like, you.

Know, yeah, I'm not gonna be working out this thing on, but. Well, I don't know. I say that, but I've worked out with a training mask on. So. Yeah, you know what, it's cool. You got to send me one. I want to try that. I want to try this with my clay mask and get the inside of it all clay e. But I would totally use this once it's ready. You guys, you guys got to send me. I'm sure I'll do some crazy creepy Halloween esque Instagram video wearing this thing. But actually it, yeah, it looks pretty cool. All right, well, I'm in.

I'll try anything, that's for sure. And we'll definitely send you one. So I'm not sure when this podcast is launching, but we are launching our red light face mask on Monday. So I'm sure that by the time the podcast goes out that you'll be able to go to our website and check out how cool this mask is. Okay, cool, airy. But just to say like, my kids find it the funniest thing. I have two year old twins and they just think it's hilarious when I like walk around the house like cleaning my house with it on. It's like such a funny little tool.

Okay, I got, I got more questions for you because you guys have all these cool products that, that honestly most of the male biohackers don't think of, but the female ones apparently do. So when I go in my sauna, people laugh at me because I'm so woo. And I, I do dry skin brushing and a lot of times like companies will send me stuff that they say enhance the effects of red light therapy on the skin or draw more sweat to the surface or allow for more transdermal absorption of electrolytes when I'm in the sauna, et cetera, et cetera. So, so kind of a two part question for you. A dry skin brushing. I know you guys, I think it was the last time we talked on the phone you told me about this whole idea of like an upgraded dry skin brush. So I want to ask you about dry skin brushing and then I also want to ask you about things that you could rub onto your body when you're in the sauna to enhance the effects. So which one do you want to tackle first?

I would say dry brushing, because it's such a powerful practice to do that I really do believe everyone should be doing and can benefit from.

All right, so the dry skin brushing, obviously that's something that's very useful for lymph circulation, for moving blood up to the heart. And it's one of those things that you feel really good after you do. You know, I always start at the base of my feet and brush up towards my heart. And then I'll go from my head and my neck and my hands and my wrists again up, up towards the, towards the proximal part of the appendages up towards the heart. But for you guys, when you're looking at a dry skin brush, tell me about this whole idea of like upgrading the dry skin brushing. Experience what you've done.

So, I mean, having infrared sauna spas, we really know the importance of detoxification and draining the lymphatic system. Actually, if you go to one of our higher dose locations in Brooklyn, we actually pair the infrared sauna with magnesium oil. It's like a magnesium wrap. And then you go straight into a lymphatic drainage massage, which is like the most epic combination in our opinion. So again, you know, we really wanted to launch a product that we truly believe is just as powerful as our lymphatic drainage massage. Because, you know, pairing these two technologies together, you just see such great results. Especially like you said, when it comes to draining, like lymphatic system detoxification, increasing blood flow and circulation, exfoliating skin. And it just has this kind of like charging feeling where you're like, you feel energized afterwards. And you know this. It's an ayurvedic technique, actually that's existed for thousands of years and it's extremely powerful. But like you, we always want to find ways to just make it more enjoyable and add things on a traditional dry brush that just makes kind of like it, like the best bank for your buck in a way. And we were really looking into, you know, copper and copper bristles. So when you add extra fine ion charged copper crystals, it encourages more negative ions, which we've just talked about the importance of it. And it allows it to be absorbed into the skin at a faster rate, which speeds up the detoxification process, which is so important because that's the reason why you're doing it in the first place. It's extremely energizing. And, you know, well, I don't know if everyone knows, but, you know, Ben, we really look up to you. And we've always, like, had, you know, talks with Ben and, like, ran by our product lineup and what we should, you know, be thinking about adding into our products. And, you know, copper really came up as, like, you know, such an important element. And, you know, we really were, like, inspired by just copper in general and the benefits of using it topically versus ingesting it, which, you know, again, is why we put it into our copper dry brush. And it just makes it, you know, people think it sounds like, maybe rough. It's actually extremely soft and really easy to use. And it makes the dry brush just look really beautiful too. And it lasts forever.

I want to try it. So you're basically getting, like, ions that are being released along with the exfoliation because the copper bristles are actually ion charged. So it's almost like a techy biohacking version of dry skin brushing that you do inside the sauna.

Correct.

Okay, cool. And then the oils or like the topicals, what are you putting on your body before you get into your sauna wrap or your PEMF mat or your sauna? What are the best oils that you guys have actually found or that you're developing as things you would put onto the body before you get in?

Yeah. So again, we were really inspired by one of your podcasts that you did with Dr. Pollock, and you guys were talking about a magnesium oil that you put on the skin because magnesium and salt holds current, which is very interesting. Right. So we definitely added magnesium into our body oils. And again, we use it before you go into the sauna because it also, on top of holding current and energy, also speeds up the detoxification process, loosens up the muscles, and, you know, really starts to help you, like, sweat a ton. I don't know if you've ever used a magnesium oil, Ben, before you go into the sauna, but it's pretty epic. You sweat like you've never sweat before. And traditionally with dry brushing, you know, in Ayurvedic, you always use an oil after you dry brush. And this really nourishes the skin and calms the skin down afterwards. And it's a perfect solution. It calms down your nervous system, actually. So we put in Ayurvedic essential oils too, as well. And we used more like traditional oils in the body oil like jojoba and sesame, which is more traditionally used in Ayurveda. And then Putting the magnesium in there to hold the current of the, you know, matte or sauna blanket that you're using in the first place. And then again, we're really fascinated by just earth elements. So we added, you know, a clay in there. We added algae oils. Again, you know, have natural sources of magnesium in it. So this is an amazing oil that you can use before you go into your sauna blanket if you want to do dry brushing, body oil, sauna blanket, or if you just want to use it every day, like traditionally how people use ayurvedic dry brushing techniques. It's where you dry brush, you put the oil on and then you go into the shower. And it's actually a really great hack. If you do cold water showers, it actually just like helps you adjust to the cold much easier. It's really awesome.

I dig it. Yeah. A lot of times I've done things like drank black pepper tea. I've done like the, like the hoppe intranasal, like the Amazonian plant medicine spray. Those are actually two of the top things I'll do before I get in the sauna. And then my topicals vary just because I have so many crazy stuff to sprinkle and rub on my skin that people send to me. But I would totally try this stuff out. Does it smell pretty good as well?

Oh, yeah. So the idea is to take a product that you traditionally see on a health food store shelf, but infuse it with a luxury spa experience.

I like it. I like it. Okay, so kind of a bigger picture question for you guys. And I'll link to all this stuff if you go to the show notes@bengreenfieldfitness.com HigherDosePodcast I realize we've talked about a lot of, you know, a lot of products like the sauna blanket, the PEMF mat, the infrared light for your face. These topicals you can put on your body when you're in the sauna or after the dry skin brush, the magnesium bath products. I feel like I could just go shop on your guys website after this and kind of upgrade my entire personal home morning care therapy protocol. And I think I turn into more of a princess every day. I'm almost bypassing my wife. The only thing I don't do now is I don't wax my vagina. But if I had one, I probably would be doing that. What do you think? And this is kind of like a big picture question. I'm just curious to hear your take on it. When we first started talking, I mentioned how prolific male biohackers are and how common it is to see biohacking being kind of a thing that a lot of dudes are doing. But there's not a lot of big female voices in the industry. What do you think when it comes to women and biohacking would be any noticeable or appreciable differences or just thoughts you have in general on the field of biohacking for women's wellness in particular?

Yeah. So I think, you know, it's interesting because if you look at the medical research, you know, most studies are done on men, I think like 75%. And even when, you know, animals are in studies, it's six times more likely that they'll use a male, you know, animal versus female sex.

Sexism in science, it's very, very common.

Right. So I think, you know, and you definitely see that, you know, in terms of there's not as many women who are basically taking part in some of these biohacking activities and reporting their experience. And that's something that Lauren and I definitely wanted to lean into in terms of making ourselves human guinea pigs to test out, for instance, keto and nootropics and see how our body responds and just in general how a female body would respond versus a man. So we're excited to lean into that role. And I think in terms of a high level difference that I feel very strongly about is just that it seems like some of these practices that are very big trends in biohacking, like keto diet, intermittent fasting, intense nootropics like nicotine or modafinil. I've actually found that they put me in a state of fight or flight where I feel like my cortisol is higher versus as a woman, I find that I'm function more optimally with more low cortisol relaxing activities, for instance, the infrared sauna. And I think it makes sense, you know, if you look at it from an ancestral point of view. Typically, you know, men were the ones who were the hunters who were going to go out and fight wars and women usually stayed back with the tribe and nurtured children. So if you look at our roles from an ancestral perspective, it makes sense that, you know, women would be more suited towards things that lower cortisol and men could handle activities that raise cortisol. So I think that's like one key difference that I found interesting. And I know Lauren's had a lot of experience with, you know, raising children, giving birth, and how her hormones differed from that of a man. I don't know if you want to talk about that.

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I feel like women are the original biohackers because we've had to be. We go through many more hormonal cycles than men do. You know, first of all, we have two hormonal cycles. One's a 24 hour cycle, which is what men have. And then we have our 28 day cycle, which for all those guys out there, you all know that your female partner can be kind of totally different in certain phases of their 28 day cycle. And just we have to honor that and that there's different things out there, like technologies and supplements and ways of living that support our hormonal cycle that we need to honor. I've spoken to a lot of women that are in the biohacking space and we all agree that like some of these, you know, different philosophies that we've tried out that are backed in science and research and as Katie said, shining light on the fact that most of the research is done on men. Actually there's a fact that, you know, women weren't even required to be in any studies since, you know, 1993. I think that's when they changed it. 1993 is when actually required females to be in studies, which is mind boggling. So we've, we've had to like, you know, really tap into our intuition, which we've always done since day one, and figure out what really does work for us. And just because science or research or friends says that it's supposed to be amazing for you, it's not always. And you know, like, I experienced that when I like got really heavily into ketogenic diet and you know, bulletproof coffee. And you know, the next thing you know I was like not even getting my, my period anymore and my skin was breaking out. And on top of that, my energy was just so aggressive, like I could have bitten off anyone's head at any point, which that's not a female goal. Like, we don't actually necessarily always want to like, be the fastest, strongest, smartest or do the best at things. Actually most of the time we want to balance our energy and just like, you know, feel balanced and good and calm. And you know, maybe that's because we have different roles in life. On top of, you know, being entrepreneurs or biohackers, we're also mothers, you know, wives, you know, more of that, like kind of calmer, nurturing energies is much more effective in that way. So, and just myself personally, you know, and a lot of women out there that have children. Oh, my gosh. Like, just the hormonal, like, craziness that you go through, first of all in stages of life and then before you get pregnant and then while you're pregnant, and then after you're pregnant, it's like a whole different body that you're dealing with. And, you know, different things work at different times. So, again, it's. It's been really something that I've had to lean more into my intuition and, you know, have a better relationship with just myself and checking in to say, hey, how do I feel? Is this working for me? Is this achieving the goals that I have that I want? And most of the time, a lot of these technologies that are out there that are supposed to be optimizing and really, you know, improve your health actually did quite the opposite for me at different phases of my life. Just something to note for all women out there, and, you know, Katie and I are very passionate about it, actually.

We're.

We're doing a show called Biohack her, and it's gonna be on YouTube.

Biohack her. There you go. You just came up with a new name for female biohacker. Biohack Her.

Yeah. Because really, biohacking has kind of a negative stigma amongst women. You know, when we talk to our, like, you know, women, you know, community and talk about biohacking, they're like, well, and like you said, like, hack. Like, that's not even a word we think about.

Right? It's a very hard word.

It's a hard word. And, you know, there's a lot of intense technologies out there, and we really want to show everyone that there's such amazing things within this industry that can really help you and take you to the next level. And we just want to shine more light on it because we love playing in this, you know, in the biohacking world and testing things out and using ourselves as guinea pigs and then kind of like reporting back to women, you know, letting them know that there. There is some really great stuff here.

It's kind of interesting because a while ago, I had published an article on my website about nootropics and smart drugs. And as part of that article, and I'll link to it in the show notes, it was about this biohacking company called Nootopia, but I published a nervous system optimization cheat sheet on there, and it listed all the things that would be considered more parasympathetically activating and more of the things that would be more sympathetically activating. So, for example, the parasympathetically activating supplements would be like reishi and L theanine and CBD and lavender oil ashwagandha magnesium exercises would be like tai chi and yoga biohacks rather than a lot of cryo and cold therapy would be more like meditation, float tanks, heat, sleep. You know, music would be more like classical soundtracks and flow music versus like, you know, metal and rock and rap and things of that nature. And even like, you know, the emotions, you know, more of emotions of joy and peace and serenity and happiness and gratitude versus drive and willingness and boldness and courageousness and pain. Yeah, even brainwave, you know, things that enhance brainwaves. Right. You'd want to focus from a parasympathetic standpoint more on alpha theta delta, less on beta, less on gamma. And it's almost like kind of like a yin yang list. And again, painting with a broad brush. And I'm. You know, I often get accused of being sexist when in fact, you know, I actually simply acknowledge the amazing magical differences between the sexes. And I think that's wonderful. And I think it's a travesty how much our culture has, in a very embarrassing fashion, strayed away from acknowledging the unique differences between men and women and taking pride in that, taking pride in the yin versus the yang and the providing and provision and procreation driven aspects of men versus the caring and the fostering and the matriarchal aspects of women. And I acknowledge and value all of that. But it sounds to me like what you've kind of struck upon is the idea that to really have a full experience, to say like a female biohacker as a female trying to optimize the body and the brain, it seems that a lot more of those parasympathetically activating activities seem to agree more with the female Persona and physiology. Am I kind of on the right track there?

Exactly.

Exactly.

We need that cheat sheet.

Yeah, we need that cheat sheet.

I'll link to it in the show notes. Yeah, the article where I have it is over there. We could add, I guess, what do we not have on there? We don't have the infrared face masks or magnesium baths, but yeah, it's almost like we could add to that cheat sheet some of the things we've talked about today.

Yeah, if you could post that in the show notes, that would be amazing. I know Katie and I would love to see that for sure. But yeah, just on that note, I mean, men thrive much better with higher cortisol levels than women do. And that's Ultimately what it sums up to which is huge, right? Because a lot of these things and cortisol is healthy in small doses too as well. But you know, from a female's perspective, you know, we're more about balancing than we are, if anything, boosting in a lot of cases. So yeah, we're really excited about this YouTube series too. So, you know, for all you women listening, if you want to deep dive more into female biohacking and learn more about what kind of like female biohackers are looking to do and what their goals are, I think you'll really love this show. We deep dive into all sorts of subjects like anti aging, mental health, sex and intimacy. Even like sex and intimacy is going to be like totally different needs than, you know, a man might have. Maybe, maybe I shouldn't say totally different. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of technologies that you know, would work for men, that they do for women. And I know you've covered this a lot, Ben, with you know, like radio frequency and sound waves and stem cell injections and whatnot, but just the way that the female brain interprets sex and intimacy is very different than men. You know, we want to feel more safe in a lot of ways and there's just, it's just a totally different way of thinking of it. So, yeah, if you guys are interested, check out the show. We're really excited about it.

Yeah, yeah. Well, if you guys send me a link to the show, I will. I'll totally put it in the show notes. And then also what I'll do is everything we talked about, like your products, I think you guys have some somewhere. I have tucked away like discount codes on all of your higher dose stuff and I'll hunt those back down and put them in the show notes for people because I think you've got some pretty good discounts you can pass on to folks. And I'll just find all that along with all the other things we talk about and I'll put it at BenGreenfieldFitness.com HigherDosePodcast where the shownotes will reside. And I love what you're doing and I love the products and I now have a wish list of stuff I gotta add to, to my repertoire like these like that copper brush and the topical oils and the face mask. So if people see me on Instagram with all this crazy stuff, you can blame Lauren and Katie for turning me into yet even more of a, of a personal care and beauty princess. So anyways, any last things you want to throw in there, Lauren and Katie, that you have on your minds before we part ways for the day.

I don't know. I feel like we've covered a ton. Katie, do you have anything you want to add?

Yeah, no. Just thank you for inspiring us. Like, we really look up to you as a leader in the space, and it's meant the world to us to have your advice and be on this podcast today. So thanks.

Awesome. Yeah.

And shining more light on female biohacking as we really do encourage women out there to get involved and focus more on increasing vitality and your energy levels. Because, honestly, I feel like there's nothing more important than being healthy now. Now, nowadays.

Yeah. Awesome. Well, I appreciate everything you guys are doing at Higher Dose. I mean, a little jealous you're in Miami right now, but you know what? You. You aren't going to get a chance to bow hunt elk like I am out here in Washington state in the next few days, so I've at least got that going for me. Although you admittedly probably have way more negative ions than I do, so I'll. I'll just have to come down and visit sometime. We can all lay in a sauna blanket in Miami, which seems kind of redundant, but. But we'll do something anyways, though. So again, for all you listening in, show notes are at BenGreenfieldFitness.com HigherDosePodcast Lauren and Katie, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It's just been awesome to get to know you, and I love what you're doing, and I love that I can support it.

Thank you.

All right, folks, Juan Ben Greenfield along with Lauren Berlingerie. Did I even pronounce your last name right, Lauren? Is it Berlin Berlangerie?

It's kind of like Ben and Jerry's the ice cream, but not. It's. It's Berlin, like the city in Germany. And then Jerry.

Berlin Jerry.

You should change it to accent if you can do that.

Berl Lingerie. Berlingeri with an Italian accent.

Berlin Jerry.

Easy Berliner. Jerry and Katie Capps. Caps is easy. Katie Capps with a K. Caps with a K. All right, folks, thanks for listening in. Have an amazing week. Well, thanks for listening to today's show. You can grab all the show notes, the resources, pretty much everything that I mentioned over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com along with plenty of other goodies from me, including the highly helpful Ben recommends page, which is a list of pretty much everything that I've ever recommended for hormones, sleep, digestion, fat loss, performance, performance, and plenty more. Please also know that all the links, all the promo codes that I mentioned during this and every episode help to make this podcast happen and to generate income that enables me to keep bringing you this content every single week. So when you listen in, be sure to use the links in the show notes. Use the promo codes that I generate because that helps to fit float this thing and keep it coming to you each and every week.