222. Diet and Nutrition and How to Maximize It

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I believe we are live. Welcome back. Welcome back everybody, to the all in podcast where we talk about what it's like to be a father and a man living in today's unprecedented world. Chaotic world. And I have my co host with me, Alex Renieri. I'm Lin Trinh. And together both our names make all Lin. So, Alex.

Oh, man.

What's happening? How's your week?

Good, bro. Yeah. Getting back into it. Had a little family trip away, which, which was nice. And then back into the. The chaos of life as, as we, as we're all aware of being fathers, running businesses, providing for the family, maintaining great relationships, looking after ourselves. Been a good week of training, man. Getting back into that, I think that really helps you. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, it's. I can't. I can't let you get too far in front of me. As strong as possible. I gotta get that back.

I saw you doing some training on our, on our meetings, on our sales meetings. So you were at the dentist today, were you?

Yes.

Yeah, man, yeah, yeah.

What'd you get done?

Checkups. I just check up on the, on the teeth, make sure they're. They're nice and nice and healthy, man. They're really bad. I had like 11 fillings back in the day when I was a kid. It's horrible. Horrible nutrition, horrible diet.

What were you eating as a kid?

What?

Yeah. You're half Italian, half Aussie. Yeah, yeah.

Mountain load of pasta. The boys will laugh at this too, man. Like I'm one of four boys. It got to a stage where I used to hide the coke and I go to the, I go to the bathroom and hide the bottle of Coke so no one else could, could take it because there'd only be a little bit left. Like everything, man. I was a pure glutton. 114 kilos, Lynn. At between sort of 10 and 12 years of age. I was overweight between 8 to 16. It's bad, man. Like, it's just everything hoarded. Everything. Snacks, treats. Definitely the opposite of what we do now, man. Fruits.

Just like Lillian. Just like Lillian. All right, so speaking of which, I'm interested to dive into the topic of fuel and nourishment today because I think it's important. Like, it just triggered a thought about your diet and how my diet's changed quite a lot. Like, how did, like, we talk about how we've grown up eating? What is that? The, the, the normal pyramid diet where you eat a lot of.

We. 6 servings of breads and soups.

You eat a lot of vegetables. Okay. And, and the least, the, the, the least important things were meats, right? Meats and fats. Yeah. So how did, how did we come up to this concept? Like, I know for me personally, like, I've shifted my diet over the last two years. Specifically two years. And prior to that, man, I've been in the fitness space for as long as you, like, 17 years or something that I've been working out ever since I was 17. I started off as a personal trainer. I was really into dieting. Like, I did bodybuilding contests. I did if it fits your macros, I've done flexible dieting. I turned vegan because Carrie turned vegan for a period of time, for two years. So I was vegan, man. I've done paleo, I've done keto, I've done intermittent fasting, and it wasn't until two years ago and all of that stuff, at some level, it didn't feel quite right. Like, at some level, I've always grown up overeating food. Like, I've always gone, man, I, I'm always hungry. And if there was a diet that, you know, I could eat whatever I wanted and how much I wanted to lose weight, I would be on that diet because I always knew that my problem was overeating. It was always like, man, I'm always hungry and I'm always overeating. And then I, I just never felt full all the time. So, bro, if I rocked up to a cafe, like, if I would stay at a hotel, you know, there was an all you can eat buffet, I'd be fucked up. Right. Game over game. Like, I just knew what would happen, right? And so no matter what diet I went on, I was always hungry. Like, I was always not satisfied. And it wasn't until like two years ago that my diet actually changed drastically. And it wasn't specifically for weight loss or anything. It was specifically because Ocean, like my daughter's skin, she had eczema. And you know, I might go into conspiracy theory land, but, you know, for the first two years she was completely fine. And then she had her first vaccinations as a kid. You know, all those vaccinations that you get as a kid, and she had three of them in one day because we needed to catch up. And then after that, her skin has been shitty as hell. Like, she's got itchiness, she reacts. She wakes her up and keeps her up at night. She's got a lot of like, redness in between the thighs. And it's, you know, she's quite irritated by that. And so a couple years ago, we started to take food really seriously because it started off with her. And so she couldn't eat bread anymore because bread would like, flare it up, right? And then she couldn't eat like muffins anymore. So obviously, like, she couldn't eat shit anymore, which is what I'm trying to say. Like every time she would eat crap, processed foods, things in a packet, you know, Nachi was, you know, she couldn't have nuts and. And we had to get her better through a series of elimination diet. And then the only thing that she could actually eat was a lot of oxtail. We could feed her liver because we wanted to make sure she had all the vitamins and minerals. And so liver was a choice. And fruits. And so she really stemmed off. So she was eating a lot of root vegetables, like potatoes, carrots, meat and fruits. And basically she was the catalyst of how I changed my diet. Because if she can only eat that, me and Kerry were like, well, you know, we should, shouldn't be having ice cream around her because what kind of shitty parents would have ice cream around their kids when they can't have ice cream, right? So Ocean was the catalyst and it kind of led me down the road to all these people, like the message that Liver King was sharing, which is a really good message, by the way, just not the delivery and how he shared it. There's this guy called Carnivore, Maryland. And these people that were talking a lot about the Carnivore diet that really opened up my eyes. And so two years ago, I Gave it a really good try. I went carnivore for 30 days straight. I felt like, like I felt good because part of it was I could eat. Part of the carnivore diet is eat how much you want to eat and let your body kind of tell you when you're full. And I was like, like that. That's what got me solid. I can eat as much as I want. Like, I don't want to be hungry on a diet, right? And so the thing about when you're eating a lot of meats and fats, you're. It's so satiating that you don't want to eat anything else. Yeah, it's like, bro, I. There's only so much steak or there's only so much lamb shoulder that you can have until you're like this. I'm. I don't want to eat food, right? So I was on it for 30 days and it was good and bad. Like the good parts were I was full, I was losing weight, I was, you know, I wasn't having constipated shits like I thought I would because I wasn't having any vegetables. But the bad thing is that I notice like a lot of my energy levels plummet. Like I just wasn't getting, because I'd been training in the gym for like 17 years that you need an amount of glycogen and glucose when I strength train. So my strength went down, my cardiovascular system went down. Like I was doing 30 minute high intensity training with Kerry on the peloton and I was like, I can't keep up with my score. And then that's when I decided to add in fruits to obviously get the sugars back in to get the fructose and the glucose back. And ever since then, bro, I haven't looked back. I haven't looked back over the last two years. And I can say that I feel generally the best. I don't have to think about my diet anymore. Moving forward. I'm not really thinking about, oh, what am I going to eat. It's really like going, hey, if it's meat, okay, if it comes from beef, if it comes from lamb, lamb is better than beef for me because it's not as scaled, it's not as mass produced. And so the quality, I reckon in lamb, especially in Australia, New Zealand, is better. And it comes from fruit like watermelon, oranges, mandarins, you know, then I'm gonna eat that. And so it's just not changed the game for me. But more importantly, ocean skin has Been amazing over the last year and a half since getting on the diet. So I've kept telling you, I've gone, bro, like, you know, I saw your kids come over, and I was like, bro, we've got to fix their diet. We've got to fix their nutrition. And it's funny because, you know, even though they don't have the symptoms of eczema, it's like. It's crazy how eczema and having a consequence of eating shit, if there's a consequence that ocean flares up, then she's gonna want to eat well, right? And it goes back to needing those reminders in our life that we need a consequence if we do bad things straight away to remind us to do good things. And I think that's why the adherence has been so easy to stick to the diet. So that's kind of my backstory regarding diet. What about yours? How did you get on to, like, meat and fruits? How did we get to the same destination?

You just told me to. So I just do whatever I'm told.

Correct? Correct.

Good. Podcast. Similar things, man. You know, in a different way. I think being. Being an elite athlete for so long, one of the biggest challenges was when I had my knee reconstruction. I still wanted to pursue rugby league, but I would swell up, man. Every training session, my knee would just be a balloon. They try and get me back because you just like it. You're like. You're like the meat market to them. If you can't produce, you're out. Right? They look for the next. The next town, the next superstar. So I was forcing myself to get back on. And as a byproduct of that, man, I was smashing anti inflammatories. And this then progressed into CrossFit. Being able to snatch 120 kilos, clean and jerk, 180 kilos, like lifting big weights, man. Again, the knee would swell. Even though my biomechanics were better and I wasn't doing contact sport like rugby league, I look back, man, over a span of similar to you, probably a little bit less. Maybe, maybe the last year, maybe 18 months, I've been following this regime, but before that, 15 years in elite athlete, I try and outwork my diet. I. I made protein a priority, sure, but I was never as clean as I could have been. But also 15 years chasing that after initial trauma with my Knee back in 2007. Yeah, yeah, man. Like, it was always swollen. Anti inflammatories for 10 years, Lynn. And. And I think the reason why you're talking about Consequences. Right. And this brings me to my point with Ocean, it's easy to see because those inflammatory markers, and I think that was a big lesson for me, the inflammatory markers of eating bread, bread won't kill you, but there's no consequences. Right. If you're someone who hasn't had that susceptibility like Ocean has, or like my children, they eat meats and fruit, great diet, but we definitely sprinkle in more treats, so to speak. And because there's no consequence, it's something that's more widely accepted. However, the hard part for a lot of men watching this and fathers is you enter your 40s and 50s and whatnot. When you turn side on, it just looks like you've got this cancer that's growing on you. That's literally like when you look at people's sideline, you can almost shave it off and be like, man, look at that, get rid of that. There's an optimal human being and that's a delayed long term byproduct. But for me, man, it was pure inflammatory markers. Since I've been eating meat and fruit and cleaning up, I don't take any inflammatories anymore. My gut is heaps better because it was really bad, man. Anti inflammatories are really, really bad for your gut and you're your gut health. So bringing that in, man, I feel I'm not as lean, I'm getting there, but not as lean as when I was an athlete. But I'm training a tenth. But I feel so much more healthier now through having that, that, that wholesome nutritional protocol.

Well, I think, I think a lot of men get fat per se and I don't necessarily think that it's their fault. And the reasons why I say this is a lot of food is manufactured to taste good. A lot of food is manufactured to prolong its lifespan. There's a lot of artificial ingredients added so that the food has a longer use by date. And by doing that they, they manufacture food to taste good and they manufacture food to be addictive. They manufacture food to live as long as possible. We generally know that and be convenient.

And so what happens, isn't it, it's really been weaponized against slowing us down.

Yeah, I, I, I would say that it's, it's, it's food's been manufactured for profit. And so when you're looking at profit, you're not looking at what is the best ingredients to put into a mouth. It's kind of like going, hey, how do we increase the Lifespan of this? What additives do we need to add? How do we make this more addictive so that people come back to buy more and eat more of this so that we can actually increase our profit margins? It's part of capitalism, right? And so there's a negative consequence here, and that is the food's becoming more addictive. Okay? The food that we eat isn't necessarily food or feel that our body actually wants. Our body can use it. Like, a lot of people go back in the days when I used to follow, if it fits your macros, it's like, bro, as long as you get your macros, you'll be fine. Like, just follow your macros. And I go, and. And I bought into that belief. And I go, yeah, but just because it fits my macro doesn't mean I should be eating McDonald's. Doesn't mean I should. Like, if a pile of fits my macros, and I literally take poo dung, right? I put flavor into. I sweeten it, I turn it in, I add dye to it so that it looks like ice cream. Should I still be consuming that dung? Fundamentally? And the answer is no. And I think the reasons why I say it's not our fault is because our biochemistry has been changed such that we don't know when we feel full. We're not intuitive with our bodies anymore.

I can.

For a long time, I wasn't intuitive my body. I was like, if I'm hungry, I'm losing weight. If I'm. And so I'd get into this cycle of, like, I'm starving and then I'm hungry, and then I'd overeat and I binge and I get hungry again. And the only way I knew how to maintain my weight was to be hungry. Like, and if I wasn't hungry, then I'd be fat. And I was tossing in between, like, hunger and being inflamed. Because I'd get inflamed by eating, like, bread and fucking. Like, you know, me and Kerry at night, we'd have, like, jam and whipped cream because it fits our macros, right? So we'd starve all day, right? We'd push back breakfast all day to have dessert, and then that would inflame the heck out of me. But then I'd be lean but inflamed. And it was really, really weird. And it wasn't until I started to go down this weird, intuitive way of eating what we all know is good for us, which is meat and fruits, okay? And I'm going to talk about vegetables a Little bit. Because I constantly have this debate with my sisters and my family. When they come over, they're like, hey, should we not eat vegetables? And I go, well, it consists of pros and cons. What are the pros? What are the cons? And it comes down to vegetables are being oversprayed. There's a lot of shit inside of vegetables. And you're going to get a lot of antibiotics, you're going to get a lot of things. It can't be broken down. It probably destroys the gut. Oh, my camera.

It's got their own defense mechanisms.

Yeah, yeah, it's got its own defense mechanisms. Okay. And so it's not, it's not necessarily good for us. So just going back to that, I think it's not men's fault because we're overeating because the food causes us to overeat. The food causes us to lose our intuition on what to eat, how much to eat. The food causes us to go, hey, we can no longer. Our body can no longer communicate to us the signals, the right signals to tell us when to stop. And so quite often we get into the cycle of we're hungry and then we'll eat and then, oh, shit, we're now really full. And then it's like, oh, now we're really full. And then two hours later we're really hungry again. And so I think that's. That's become a problem. I think it's important to address because I don't know how we're going to go into the future. I don't know what the future looks like regarding food. It looks like, you know, we're all going to be plugged into a tube and people are going to manufacture food and then they're going to feed us all our calories, you know, as like robots and shit. So that's a little bit scary. But I think food's important because it's the nourishment of our body to nourishment of our kids. And seeing firsthand what it, what bad food has done to ocean skin has kind of just like brought, brought out the awareness. Does that make sense?

Yeah, definitely, man. And you're right, we're heading into a. A tough territory to navigate because traditionally, if you go back only a couple of generations, here are our fathers who know exactly the A to B process because they're in the agricultural revolution and farming. They knew what was involved. They knew exactly what they were eating, what they're putting into themselves. You know, you, you see, even the explosion of cereals coming in, in the 1900s or mid-1900s where it's like all of a sudden you're going from eating bacon, eggs, the eggs came from the chicken that you looked after and fed on the farm and you're eating steak. And the fact that even today, mate, that we need to label it grass fed. Could you imagine like 100 and not even 100 years ago, like saying, oh yeah, that, that's grass fed steak. Like the farmer would be like, what are you, what are you talking about? That's what cows eat, hey, grass. So there's so much confusion. You're right, man. And there's so much where I agree. I think fathers with the amount of stress on our play and whatnot, we're not here to point the finger. It's not your fault, man. If you're feeling lethargic, run down fatigue and you've, you've, you've been bought into or seduced into a state of convenience, comfort which has changed your complete biochemistry to then become dependent on something, you throw that on, on top of the mix of all the other chaos. Like it is very tough, man, for fathers to zoom out and then even explore the standards of what they've accepted, let alone do something about it.

It's also too, funnily enough, you mentioned that. And I want to make a point that I've come to the realization that food, as anything scales, the quality of it decreases. Because as you scale something, and this is where you look at chickens, right? You look at chickens and, and I don't eat a lot of chicken because I, I don't react well to chickens. I eat chicken and my skin starts to hive. So there's, there's something there that's happening and whether it' antibiotics or whether or not it's the conditions by which the chickens are being grown, but when you scale something, the quality decreases. It's why my preference of meat, red meat, is kind of lamb, because I look at, they, they haven't quite scaled lambs in the sense that they, they don't have the big farming factories, they don't have like the way that chickens and pigs and, and cows are actually let in and, and they've kind of like added all these steroids. Lamb's quite abundant in Australia and New Zealand. Fingers crossed right at this time that it will stay that way. But I think over time, when you look at things that are popular, like I remember drinking milk when I was young and I was completely okay with milk, like I didn't have lactose intolerant like back in the days, you know, you'd go to the milk bar, you'd buy a bottle of milk and you could drink it. Nowadays everyone's lactose intolerant and I think the reality is we're not asking why, we're not investigating. Well, how has milk, the production of milk changed, how has the production of milk changed such that my body, it tasted like really good milk back in the days and now it doesn't taste like proper milk. I don't know if you've had milk lately Al, but the taste has changed. And in order for me to get that same taste or that same thing back, I now drink cold pressed milk which is like a different way for them to refine, refine and process that milk to get rid of the bacteria and process it. And it's cold pressed, it's not pasteurized, not heated up. It's actually just used a lot of pressurized through cold pressing it. Right. But when I drink that milk it takes me back to the childhood, takes me back to going, oh my God, this is what milk used to taste like. And I'm not lactose intolerant. And so it comes to this place where it's like we have all these things such as gluten intolerant, lactose intolerance coming as a byproduct of scaling food so quickly to meet the demands of what people need. I think it's an important conversation. I'm definitely no expert by it. I'm literally just pointing out my observations, my changes with it. But I, I genuinely think that, you know, if you want to have, live a good life, if you don't want to be inflamed, if you want to have your weight under control, if you want to feel full and satiated, I can't recommend going back and just getting your body really good foods to eat. The meat and fruits are probably my first recommendations and remove everything else. And if you do something as simple as that, if you eat as much meat, how much meat should you eat, man? I would say I'd say 80% main and 20% fruits. It's probably what my diet is. Fruits is kind of like the topping. But I'm trying to always try to, trying to look for fatty cuts of grass fed meat. Organic. Right. It's even funny that you mentioned grass fed and how we have to say that it's grass fed because it's actually used as a marketing ploy. What I mean by that is companies have gotten onto this and so they've only, they're only grass fed, right? The craziest part is that butchers can state that their stuff is grass fed if they've only, if they've only spent like a little bit of time eating grass, but then they finish with grain. And that's also a little bit fucked up too. Like that's the craziest extent. And so when you go into your butchers, it's really important. Kerry told me this, that you asked for a hundred percent grass fed, grass finished. And it's crazy that we even have to consider these conversations to us, because there's such trickery everywhere, right? There's so much trickery, everyone's trying to trick you. And so food's become one of those things that when I, when I was starting out I was like, food's so easy, everyone's so complicated with food and everyone's over complicating with food. But it is actually as, as time's gone on, I've actually understood it is a complex process because it's ever changing. Like there's like, you have to think about it, there are less nutrients inside of our soil. Everything comes from our soil. And because we're trying to scale up and we're trying to farm things so quickly and we're trying to like mass produce these things, right? The soil produces the grass, the cows eat the grass, we eat the cows. Like there's a whole circle of like that's the most basic summary. Now if, if we're trying to scale up our food production and we're producing more animals, more cows, we're injecting more steroids and they're taking more grass out of the soil, then there's fundamentally, there's less nutrients, there's less ions, there's less minerals inside of the soil. What? Every time, every time we go through a cycle, there's actually less nutrients in the soil for the. And therefore there's less nutrients in the grass, there's less nutrients in the meat. And so when we look at scoured productions, our food is actually becoming less nutrient dense even though you're eating the exact amount of same beef, same things. I think that's really important to understand. I'm quite scared about the future of food and where it's going to come from. I'm actually quite scared of us as human beings losing our intuitive nature with like going, oh this. Even though we can eat a shit ton of food, we can put maccas in our body, we can process it. Our body's amazing for us to survive on that, like, you know, As a student in the uni days, man, I could survive five off me goring, like two minute, like, you know me go ring. It was the most amazing thing. I was like, but this. But now that I think about it, I think it's the most processed, crazy MSG amount of chemicals that I would never even bet, bro. I went, like five years just eating meringue for lunch every day. And so the conversation of food needs to be had because I. I generally think that most people don't know what to eat or how to eat. And they don't have intuitive. They're losing their gut intuition when it comes to recognizing food. Like, they're losing the receptors and the responses of what their brain says that they got. They're losing, hey, am I full? Am I hungry? And I found this paradox, too. And I think that the craziest part, man, is this. The fitness industry, the people that are the fittest, though they look lean, they're not the healthiest. In fact, they have such. They. In fact, they live their lives in such a regiment regime that they're. They're so obsessed about weighing everything out. Okay, that's not healthy to me. That's obsessive. That's like, I don't want to live my life fucking weighing. Bringing a. Bringing a scale to the restaurant because I need to weigh up how much my food weighs. I think, you know, our bodies should tell us when to eat. Our bodies should tell us when to stop. And the reasons why we're losing this is because of all the chemicals and not being able to process the right foods for our body. And so our body's confused as to going, hey, man, I know you ate a lot of stuff. I don't know what the hell it is. So I'm going to tell you that we're full now. And then, oh, wait, where are all the nutrients? We're now hungry again, right? It's this complex. And it's really funny what the fitness industry portrays, especially bodybuilders, that that's the pinnacle of health, and yet it's so far away from what health is. It's ironic that the fitness industry portrays health, okay? But it's got nothing to do with health. Like the bodybuilders on stage that are absolutely shredded, they're jacked up with drugs. They've got steroids jacked up in them. They're at their most weakest state on the show. And yet we. We idolize that. Some people idolize that. We look at that. We go, we want to aspire to Be that. And what you're going to recognize is that person's dehydrated, they've got no fluids inside of their body, they're hungry as fuck, they're also weak as fuck, they can't do shit, they're drugged up as hell. And so. And so that's idolized as health. And I think this conversation, as I've matured over time, don't get me wrong, I was part of that crowd at one stage, bodybuilding, competing, going, hey, like I know about health. And yet I was eating tons of chicken. I wasn't looking for organic. None, no grass fed, you know, I was having bread and grains as long as it fitted my macros. And yet I was anything but the pinnacle of health. And so having a look at Ocean and really being responsible for her and her food has opened up my eyes as to what health actually is.

Isn't it funny? Yeah, it's an extremely unbalanced approach for what should be the beacon of light in the health and fitness industry. Right. When you look at it, got nothing.

To do with that. The craziest part, it's like, it's all a bit of a scam. It looks like it's like a. It looks like a Ferrari on the outside, but then you open up the engine and it's like little Toyota. It's worse. It's got no engine, it's got no, no, absolutely no fundamentals. Now, Obviously, if you're 100 kilos overweight and you do some of the things that the fitness people talk about, sure, you're going to be more healthier than you are. However, there's another line where you're not really optimizing for health now. You're optimizing for looks. I think that's quite dangerous as well as, you know, as, as society evolves and we all get sucked into how somebody looks, but not how they feel, how they're functioning, how they're performing.

Longevity.

That's my little rant on, on nutrition, man. And I'm really glad that I've. I can push you and tell you, man, like, this is important. I say it's important because I want you to be healthy. But I have that, I have that gift where if Ocean doesn't eat well, we know straight away we're penalized straight away. And so that keeps us in the lane. Does that make sense? Whereas other people might not have that and so they don't get that gift. So I see ocean skin as like, not a hindrance, it's a reminder for us to eat well and every time we don't eat well, there's a consequence.

Yeah. And one of the fatiguing things for a lot of people, including myself, man, and a lot of fathers out there is I love it from David Goggins, as crazy as he is, it never ends. Like you guys are never going to get there and be like, awesome, I'm set. It's like, no, no, you need to eat another 21 meals this week and this week and that the game never ends. And when I say fatiguing, what I mean is life gets in the way, man, and we, we slip and fall back. And for me, when I lost my voice back in September, I mean, you remember we caught up in Darwin, right? I was in, I was in good shape, man. Everything was humming along nicely and you know, obviously fell, fell ill with this irritation my throat, which lasted over six months. The unfortunate reality is psychologically, physically, I couldn't train, couldn't get my heart rate up. There were so many different things that pulled me away from being an optimal human being where it just became this domino effect. And guess where it led to. The nutrition fallen again. And then I look at this to and fro. There's Christmas, there's parties, there's New Year's, then there's, you know, we're getting ready for other family celebrations. All of a sudden between December and March. I look at a lot of the food I was eating and because it was my throat, everything passes through there. So pure exposure as well as from the inside out. I look at how inflamed I was, Lynn, and I was checking my blood pressure because I've got the history of it because that was another thing that the doctor made me go and do, man. I was hitting like 160, 170 diastolic, you know, sorry, systolic. Like the, the diastolic when it relaxes was always low. It's always between, they say 80. Mine's always been between 65 and 75. But that was, I look at that, man, and, and the nutrition failed me. And it was. And for someone who was an elite athlete, this is where I say for a lot of these men, it's so fatiguing in, in the life and what we face where you just, you pack it in, you give up and, and you feel yourself in this whirlwind again where you've, you've essentially, you've tolerated and accepted a standard again and it's so detrimental and it pulls you away from where you need to be.

Well, I Apologize for my segue in food. I think it's a good segue to cover. I think I do have quite a substantial experience in it but I wanted to bring it up because you of your tooth this morning but now that my camera's back so food's important. I think the thing that I'm going to ask is how do you raise. The thing that Kerry and I have difficulties is ocean being at school in kindy. How do we raise and lead our kids to eat better food knowing that as kids we would eat junk food ourselves and we would know what happens in primary school and kindergarten and, and preschool where we would want to share food. We. I would want like I would want the packet of chips, I would want the lollies. How do you go about navigating that with your kids such that when they go to school they make better decisions?

Yeah, well I believe the process is something that needs to be lived as well. And what I mean by that because I made notes when you were talking earlier about you know, the reason, the reason why we find ourselves especially as men, talking mostly to men as well, but everyone. We find ourselves in this slump with nutrition and wellness. What about the exploration of well, how do we get out of this funk? So the reason why I say that mate is for you to be able to give your children the right direction pathway. It's got to be something you live and breathe first. And what I wrote here was the very first thing is actually looking at experiential outcomes. So what I mean by that for those listening or watching is the only way you're going to change and get your shit together with your food, your nutrition, your health and wellness is actually looking at and going what kind of life do I want to be living experiential? Like what does that look like? What am I doing with my children? What are my energy levels going to be like as a grandfather in 15 years time and, and really painting that picture and that vision. But then with that looking at what's the generational impact I can also have and I think every father and mother should do that first and then tie that into the. The answer is communication to your question. How can I. Now I know you're getting to. I'm sorry, doing that thing again.

I asked him, I asked him a simple question then it gives me the meaning to life. This guy, he does this all the time. I love it. I asked you a very simple question. How do you lead. How do we lead our children so that they don't fall into that trap well, Lynn, let me give you pies. The, the square root of life is. I'm like, bro, talk about the Big.

Bang theory you've got.

How would you do this? How would you do this with Lillian? How would you do this with. How do this, kids? So I'll share my take.

Yeah, exactly, man. But just as that layer for these guys, like, you can't be a hypocrite is my point, you know, so for, for Lillian and the kids, what I do is I tie into what they value in life. So a lot of, a lot of around them right now is netball, dancing, sports, physical performance, because kids are so easily tricked into the taste, everything explained about the chemical imbalances and tasty food. So I tap into what they value and then I leverage a higher outcome and better experience of what they value and tie that into something that I know is good for them where they don't have the knowledge, information or buy in. So when it comes to food, Stella, you need to eat this meat. This meat's going to really help you. It's going to make you jump higher with ballet. And I'm finding what their perception of value is, tying in what I know is for their own good and connecting the dots for them. That's the answer. And it works. Fucking works so easy. But it's having that awareness and applying it to yourself first.

But you're right, you're right with communication, I think, I think the first thing is if we want behavior to change, we have to change. Like for, for, for myself in particular. Like, we don't have any sweets, we don't have any junk food around the house. Our fridge, if you open our fridge and our freezer, it's got meats and we have fruits. Like, fundamentally, that's it.

I think the 50 blocks of Lindt chocolate.

Yeah, yeah. 70% dark chocolate, right?

99% shout out to ABS.

But, but I think, I think when it comes down to leading them, it comes down to communication and playing it out with them. So, for example, when Ocean goes to school and she eats something bad or she wants to eat ice cream, I think me and Kerry play this out and we go, cool, we can eat ice cream, let's have some ice cream. And then it's easy for her because she gets a direct reaction. She starts getting itchy, she starts getting red. And so we can process this out. And he says, hey, it's going to make you itchy, you're going to get red, you're not going to be able to sleep at night. You're going to feel tired all the time, you're going to feel grumpy. And so there's consequences. And we allow our kids to experiment the downfall and process it with them such that we can be in the shit with them to go, hey, man, like, this is your choice. You wanted the ice cream. But here are the consequences. And I think for a lot of people, like, I'm thinking about Lillian and I'm thinking about Stella, your kids, I'm like going, hey, like, if you want that bag of Lollies at 3pm in the afternoon, sure, like, here it is, let's try it once. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to advise you that it's a bad idea, but let's play it out. If you keep insisting, sure, let's do this together and let's run this as an experiment. Have the lollies on an empty stomach. Recognize that you're going to have a stomachache and a stitch for the next two hours. Recognize that that was a consequence of having the lollies on an empty stomach at that time. And then pull into going, well, you're not going to have dinner at night. You're not going to be strong, you're weaker because you're not, you're not nourished. You don't have nutrients inside of your body. And then give them the consequence. So that we educate them on the consequences of their actions and then the future. Cause I don't particularly like it when I see parents say, no, no, don't do this, don't do that without actually like processing it through with them first. Because that's how we learn as humans. Everybody does this. You know, I can tell you what to do. Like, we can go through, hey, Alex, this is how we should build out the sales team and we should have a sales manager doing this. And we should actually keep them accountable and do this, this, this. And you're like, yes, Lynn, yes. And then what happens? Nothing happens, right? And then we learn and then we go through the pitfall and the consequence of not actually implementing that change. And then we go again. And then what happens? Changes. Change only happens when we get so fed up of changing that changing in itself is, is, is the pain that we don't want to go through this whole experience again. That's the driver to now fully change once and for all. And I genuinely think that if practice, if giving this away practically, it's like going, hey, like, sit down. Have the patience to process this out with your kids. Let them make mistakes, show Them and educate them through their mistakes, of. Of what happens and the consequences, like you said. Al, does that make sense?

Yeah, man. This is why parenting is a real. It's a real skill. It's an art form. None of us are born with it. Well, Lynn says that I'm genetically a phenomenal father. I don't know how that works, but I'm trying to process it.

But, yeah, look, phenomenal father. I. I genuinely think that you've had a good environment or from what I've seen to bring you up, to not have the bullshit to tackle that I've had to tackle. Because when I say, like, my upbringing was pretty tough, it wasn't tough in any sense, like, we're in Australia. There's nothing tough about being in Australia. But I mean, tough in the sense that I'm growing up. I'm the youngest of six kids. All my parents want me to do is become a doctor. All they want me to do is be successful. All I get to do is have no friends, okay? Because friends are evil. Friends will. Friends will take me around on drugs. Friends will steal my shit. Friends will rob our houses. There's so much fear around this. And there's such strong conditioning that has taken me a long time to process through my own conditioning of what is right, what's wrong, what's right versus what's wrong for myself, as opposed to what's right and what's wrong for my father and process through that so that I don't pass bad negative traits onto my kids, but I passed the good ones. When I look at you in the way that you parent, I. I think naturally you're in a better place to not put a lot of shit on because there wasn't a lot of shit put on you. Or maybe that you've just naturally come in a better place to have more patience and enjoy more life. Whereas I've always been built as like, yo, you are a soldier. Go work. Go study. Have you studied? Did you do that? Yep.

Cool.

And so a lot of that drives my actions and my ability to see the world. Whereas I don't think you have that. You might have other things, but I think not having that set you up better for parenting. Because if you're consistently rushing all the time and pushing all the time, parenting is all about being patient. Parenting is all about flowing. Parenting is all about going, hey, here's what I think will happen. But I'm okay if this shit doesn't happen either way. I was very built in, like an army military style kind of like communists, I would say, you know, my parents hated the communists, but they put communism on us, right? Very structured, very regiment. And so when it comes to parenting my kids, that doesn't actually help at all because it creates a lot of rules and conditions and I pretty much set all of us up for failure. So I'm saying that that's an example of how I've had to. I've had to work through something from my past that doesn't actually tailor or doesn't actually benefit this side of my life, which is parenting. On the other side, I can see the flip side, because having that structure really sets me up to win in like business. Or it sets me up to have really good structure and really good discipline, really good drive. But on the parenting side, it's like completely useless. Does that make sense?

Yeah, we find that too, don't we? Like a lot of guys coming to hpf, they try and not that I'm saying you're doing this, you're very aware of it, but they try and run their family like they run their business, and it just doesn't work. You got to be reading the room, you've got to assess, listen. They're all got different mentalities like Stella's men. And this is, this is, I guess, my frustration, maybe for another day, talk about how things get pushed onto our children so much that are such big issues adults can't even psychologically handle. Stella's brain operates completely different to Lillian's, completely different to Romans 6, 4 and 2, male and female. It's obviously there's only ever two and only ever will be. But that's something that you need as a parent to understand. Is the type of conversation I'm going to have with my 9 year old going to be exactly the same as my five year old who's a boy and my nine year old's a girl. Definitely not.

I'll tell you, man, I see that. I see, I see ads like that, like, run your family as if it's your business or run your life as if it's your business. And I think, I think there's one thing, like, I want to get this straight on record. I'm only interested in business. I'm only interested in business. Not because I'm interested in business, but I'm interested in living a good life. And the only way to live a good life is to build a good business, right? And that's my only interest in it. I've come to recognize that I don't want to do business for the sake of doing business, I would rather enjoy life. But in order for me to live the best life, I have to have a good business. I think the distinction needs to be quite clear. And here's where a lot of people go wrong, including myself, on how I've looked at my life as business. Life is art form. The kids are continually changing. If you have two kids, you have so many variables. You know, I've got Atlas, who is six months, right? And he's now starting to, like, sit up. That's fine. There's not. There's not a lot on with Atlas, But Ocean, from three to four, within, like, six months of her life, she completely changes into a different person. She's adopting different things. Carrie, my wife's gonna change. She's gonna want something this year, and the next year she's gonna want to do something else. There's so much variation happening inside of life that in order for you to put in structure and assume that, hey, this is how it's going to go is setting yourself up for failure. Because that's not how it is. You're boxing everything up, and you're not allowing the form of art to actually flow in business. You want predictability, and you only deliver a product or service over and over again. If you consistently innovate in business and you're always changing your product and you're always. Every month you're creating a new product or you're trading an entire new business model, then you cannot run your business systematically or put systems and processes in because whatever systems and processes you put in last month are now redundant this month because you have an entire new business model. The fact is, with life, you have entire new business model every three months, like, Ocean's going to be a completely different person. She's going to be. She's going to go up to be a little girl going into, like, prep school. She's going to be a teenager. That's completely different. I'm going to have a few more kids, hopefully down the track. That's going to be different. The dynamic is going to be different. And so when you run your business as if you're trying to systemize your life, you're set up for failure. You can only systemize your life if you're a man that's single and, like, you're like, yo, I want to create this system and I'm going to run my life this way. But it doesn't work. If you're trying to build a family and you're trying to encourage growth and you're trying to encourage them to self explore and be who they want and be the best version of themselves and actually work together to create art. Because art cannot be systemized. Does that make sense?

Yeah, definitely. And there's a ratio, isn't there? When you think about it, all the stuff you're explaining which causes the chaos, not from men lacking the awareness you've just explained. It caused, it's caused from them trying to control things. You can't. It changes, man, like every three arguments you can influence. And you can try and overpower Ocean, of course you can. You're a large man. She's a little girl. But yeah, they try and control things.

Every, every little bit. And I, I just want to go back to that point. I, I think that you can have principles. You can have, hey, on the weekends, this is when we play and we're going to do a date night and we're going to do a date day and wait Monday to Friday, this is, you can have a routine. But if we try to box everything in as a system, then the people eventually start outgrowing the system. Ocean outgrows my system and then I'm consistently having to come up with new systems for the new person. And that just doesn't work. You set yourself up for failure, like, and, and that's where a lot of the times you get into arguments, you get into disappointment. There's a lot of chaos. How I've dealt with it, I think this is where you deal with it really well, is I see you and you're around your kids and you're like, I just let them be kids and we're gonna have fun. And like, you're patient. You don't have zero expectations that anything's gonna get done, right? Yeah, like zero. None. You're gonna travel with three kids. When you first landed in Fiji, what was your expectation for the first day? Nothing. Like, if we make it there, we're good. Nothing, nothing can be done. We're not trying to, like, do as much as we can. We're not trying to get to something on time. You're literally going, hey, I'm with my kids and shit's about to happen. I know shit's gonna happen. We're gonna. You set the expectation really low so that even though you have your standards, this is the difference between standards and expect that you expect nothing from your fan. Like I expect, man, if we get a dinner and we can get the kids to bed on time. That's sweet. And even if we don't, how it is what it is, right. I think a lot of us create a lot of the chaos, the anxiety. I know for myself, because I put expectations on things, and if I stop expecting anything, then I expect the worst. Then that's when you become really happy and you become really fulfilled and patient.

Agreed, man. And I think where a lot of men, and a lot of us probably get it wrong is we have an expectation of outcome instead of an expectation of principles and standards to be upheld, that there's a difference. Your children are going to fail. Mine fail all the time. So what I. What I love is this.

You have to fail to learn, right? Like, if you're not failing, how are they learning? So Kerry makes that good point to me, because, trust me, like, I'm. I still tell Ocean, don't do this or don't. Don't do that. It's gonna fall. And I'm like, well, Ocean's like. Kerry's like, but if she doesn't fail, how will she learn? I'm like, good point. Right? So she's actually my guide when it comes to parenting. But. Sorry, what were you going to say?

Yeah, no, but that. That's exactly it. That's what I was going to expand on around. Look, our kids have hurt themselves grazing A's and whatnot. I don't want them to go through a traumatic experience like, okay, jump off three steps going downstairs, you might fall. Okay, well, let's jump off 10. There are lessons that don't need to be learned through traumatic expression. But. But also. Yeah, agreed, man. They. They need to learn about their failures. And that's what I. I love. Because whilst I don't have expectations, I know they're going to fail millions of times, just like you and I have through all the stages of life, especially as a child. They change every few months. Like you said, the biggest thing is making sure that us as men, we combine that and that acceptance and I guess not tolerance, but having that open nature and that support coupled with challenging them. So I do challenge my children. I challenge them to pursue. I challenge them to stretch, to grow, to try things. But I don't have an expectation that they'll be successful. Because I know, man, if they keep doing that, Lynn, and they learn from their failures, that's. That's a lag measure, right? They will become successful. They're resilient, persistent. But also, we haven't taken away the joy. And a lot of people forget that, man. Joy is so important in life. And that's not a. That's not A fluff word. It's, it's vital, I think. Otherwise, why are we here?

I agree, man. I, I, I think. Do you think there are any similarities between parenting and running a business.

Or.

Do you think that there are more opposites?

I think both.

Okay, what are they?

Fundamentals. So similarities would definitely be principles and standards. They could be different things, but they need to be established and in place. That's a painful lesson that you've obviously seen me go through time and time and time again.

Culture. Like the culture. Exactly.

For sure. And then opposites, I'd say would be, I'd say probably leveraging between the emotion and the logic. As a man, they have their place for sure in business, but they also have a different place inside of parenting and our children. So there, there are opposites in terms of the goals. What are we going to set so fundamentally? Yeah, you could have goals in business and family. You could have standards in business and family. But I think inside of those men, at a strategic or tactical level, I do believe they're applied sometimes completely opposite.

I think, I think you're right. There are some similarities. There are some complete differences. Similarities in running a really good business is to have predictability and systems in place and organization and structure. It's really important for everyone to know what they're doing. And every day you want things to relatively be the same, and every week you want to relatively look back at last week and improve on the function inside a business, whether it's marketing, sales, fulfillment, or whatever the case, like you're just trying to build a steady ship in parenting. Quite often you have to be prepared for the worst. That's chaotic. And quite often I find myself trying to like, systemize, like create order. Right? Create, like, hey, this should be done this way. And by, by 6:00pm tonight, you got to get into bed and you have to wake up at this time. And this, this needs to happen. What can happen is you lose the joy of what you talked about. You lose the joy because you're so busy just getting parenting done that you're so exhausted at the end of the day, your kids are crying all the time because they don't want to do stuff. They don't know why they're being so moved. They don't know what's the rush. They're so present in the moment that they're like, yeah, I just want to play cool. Why do we have to pack up playing Kids ask the best questions, which is, why do I have to not play anymore? And I often come up with the answer, because, you know, I don't know. Like, I really don't know. Why do we have to. I don't know. We just have to do it because it's on the schedule. That's what mom said. Why did mom say this? I don't know. So what. What really happens is. The answer is when kids ask that, the answer is, because I'm afraid that you're going to break the schedule and shit will be chaotic, and I don't know how to deal with chaos. Like, the fundamental, the fundamentally the thing that we're afraid of is, like, we don't know how to deal with chaos. We don't know what would happen if Ocean sleeps at 9 o' clock at night or she doesn't sleep. We're so afraid that she won't sleep at all. But that's not the case. Like, if you play it out, we're so afraid of dealing with chaos that we're just seeking structure all the time. Seeking certainty, seeking certainty, seeking comfort, seeking structure and what we know to be comfortable. I think that's one of the hardest things of parenting, man, is literally to just be in the space with them and be like, okay, take your time. Let's let. I. I don't know. When do you want to finish?

You know?

Cool. Hey, like, it's a. It's, it's, it's trying to be in collaboration with our kids and, and talk them through. Hey, do you want to have dinner? What do you want to have for dinner? Okay, cool. What time do you want to have dinner? Do you want to have dinner now? Do you think we should go to bed now? And I think somebody that can collaborate. Kerry does this phenomenally well. And I follow her lead because when she first did it, I'm like, you think you're going to get the right answer? You think, you think Ocean knows what time, but over time, it works phenomenally well. And that's been the most impressive thing, and it surprised me the most because I grew up just being told what to do. And if I didn't do it, I'd get smacked. You know what I mean? So, like, there was no. There was no processing. It was, do this or die. Does that make sense? That's the choices I had that I had as a kid. And so I realized that there's. There's a better way. There's a better way to. To lead kids.

And I think it's a gift that children bring us, man. Like, have a look. They are. They are the embodiment and essence of life. Because what they're doing and what you're explaining then is they're experimenting. They come into this world with no boundaries other than the limits we impose on them. Shefali is great with this stuff. And when we're looking at. Obviously she knows her stuff and she's phenomenal. But it's really understanding that our children. Yes, boundaries and structure and order is important, not just from. I don't like using the word safety. It's been abused the last few years in my eyes. But definitely from a safety, security point of view and their wellbeing for sure. However, we can't do that at the cost of the essence of life, which is evolution through experimentation and trying new things. That's what our children. That's what they thrive on, man. And I think that's why communication is so important, because I love unwinding the mind and what they're thinking, how they're creating some of these drawings. Man, you just laugh. And it's so funny when Lillian draws pictures of us. And why do you have the curly hair and I have the curly hair. And funnily enough, me and her look very similar. And the other three. So my other two kids and Corinne or all have straight hair on the drawings. And I'm unpacking that and. And that's.

That's so fascinating.

Some guys might find that boring, but I think as a father, that's how you connect and. And that's how you become like. It's funny. The dichotomy of life, man. You talk about predictability in business. We. We need that. But then what our children need is predictability in us. Like we spoke about before with disciplining our children. Can you stay on the level and actually not. And have your own self control intact so you don't seek it over them and give them the predictability. Predictability. Whilst allowing them to flourish and thrive. And that I think that's where the joy really is, man. Seeing creation every day. Because they are in that constant state of change that we can see so much more than between 25 to 30. Between 30 to 40 men every few months for the. For the first 18 years.

What was that, what was that stat that you shared with me?

Like 80% of your relationship with your children is in the first 18 years of their life?

Yeah. Is that because people spend the most time with their kids? Like they're. They're obviously looking after their kids. By the time they're 18, the kids are out, they're off with a girlfriend, boyfriend, they're starting dating, they're starting work, they moved out.

Is that the environment, whatnot? For sure. So it's not that it's a negative stat. It's a, it's a realization of how much, how precious the times that you have with them to influence and raise and build them into creating an amazing human being in themselves. Because that is very limited. Even you and I, with our sons or with our children, creating businesses and things. Because I definitely want to be part of my children growing up. I want to be a heavy part of life. Where I've got, regardless of where they live in the country, I've got houses everywhere and I can go, stay there and see. Even though, that being said, yeah, they're not under my roof anymore, man. They've got their life to live and it's still going to be a very small percentage for the next 40 years, 50 years of their life, as opposed to the first 15 to 18.

I've got a question. Would you homeschool your kids like 100? Yeah.

Well, we need to create a school, don't we? Isn't that our next business venture?

What point?

Creating schools?

No, no. What point? At what age will you homeschool your kids? When, when's. When, when is the school environment to go? Now?

I, I don't, I don't think eight or nine. Eight or nine? I wouldn't want to go past that, to be fair.

How old, Stella?

Six. We got, we got two years to make it happen.

Okay, Right. And why, why, why would you choose the homeschool?

I just think there's more value and impact you can have with the time that you give as opposed to what they're currently running through in a mass produced curriculum.

Okay. Why else?

I believe it gives you more opportunity and chance under the environment that you're exposed with them to install and influence and reinstall, reinstate the right values because they, you gotta look at this, man. Like, even Netflix and all social media aside, like, they're going to be exposed to so many different upbringings and environments for other children. Saturation is important. And it's not about controlling my children. Like, we, it's our family. Like, we buy into these values. We're a family, we're a unit. I think that's vital. And that gets, that gets thrown away. Where other people are raising your kids. Right? I mean, that's just an observation.

The other people are raising your kids. Okay. Who may not have similar values to you. Okay, great. Two, they're not learning a curriculum that or a skill set that they can actually apply inside of their life. It's quite generalized. We know this. Okay, so the schooling system, obviously, how many things, like there's, like, if we have to process this out and there's a argument for. Argument against. I hear this quite a lot. And we'll start argument against homeschool, like, what will happen to the kids? Will they be social? They're really scared, right? So, like, you know, there's, there's a valid argument. Will my kids be able to socialize with other people since they're not actually brought in to like, you know, they're, they're locked at home is what people think homeschooling is. I think the, the other argument is will they be as quick as other people? Right. But the argument for homeschooling is going, hey, I don't want my kid to be educated or taught by another person who doesn't have similar values or principles as I do. That's very hard to control. They're learning generalized information, whereas I can teach them specialized information. Does that make sense? Like if we just do like, you know, I think about it, if we're going to create a homeschool, ocean can learn a language right now. She can learn how to build things, she can come in to learn on, you know, she could learn how to do like a ninja school, she could learn ballet, or she could learn something very specific to her skill set and she can run classes every day. And if you focus specifically on things that are practical, then they get better, their road to mastery increases quicker. She'll become a master at things by like 8, by 9, by 10, just by through repetition of the same thing. Very interesting.

I'm sorry.

Yeah. So what's the plan to homeschool then? If, if you know you're going to take stellar out, what's the plan? Like what, what needs to happen?

I think the biggest thing would be to identify, I think first and foremost, not so much what will we teach her? What are the time and energy requirements? That's where most people, like you would ask anyone right now, would you home school now? I don't have the time, I don't have the energy. Like, that would be it. First. How can I can connect and, and commit the time and energy that's required? Required.

Yeah.

And then the second point would 100% be, okay, cool. What would I do that's different to the masses and what, what they're trying to make for every other normal, average person? Because I don't want that life for me.

It's Such a big thing, isn't it? It's like, hey, like, if, if she's at home, then like, who's going to look after her? Will I have to look after her? How does that even work? Will I even have the time? And I think a lot of people are getting to that point where they do want to do a homeschooling. I think that we're opening up the conversation because we're seeing such a bad curriculum inside of school. We're seeing what they're teaching inside of school. And a lot of us generally don't agree with everything. And so there's always that spark of thought. But it's too, but, but, but in order to take action on it, it's too much of a leap. It's too much of a jump in order to take action on homeschooling because we don't have that time. We don't know what to do. And so, you know something that I proposed last week is we got to build our own school. We got to look at building our own school, figuring out how that works so that we set up the curriculum. And inside of this school, you're going to have life skills, okay? You're going to have like self defense skills, you're going to have like sporting skills, like teamwork, sporting activities. You're going to learn about money and you're going to learn about how to create things, you're going to learn how to make things, you're going to learn how to sell things. You're going to learn about taxes and money at some stage, like every time you sell something, we take 10%. That is what it is, you know, 20%. You got to put that aside. Like, we're not going to teach taxes. We're going to like teach taxes by actually taking the money that they make when they sell shit, right? That's like, you can't teach taxes in theory. You got to teach taxes by principle and application. So that's tried. Yeah, that's a very, very interesting idea. But I just wanted to bring it up because I think we touched on it last week. I want to sit down next week and figure out what the plan is. How are we going to create this homeschool? We can put it out to the tribe, we can go fund me it. We can actually get it running as a business to figure out what memberships would cost. What would we do? I reckon that would be a good segue for the next podcast episode to go. Hey, if we were going to create the perfect school, what would we Include what's involved. Who do we need? What are the teachers? Is it going to be regulated unregulated in terms of is the government going to need to approve this or is this going to be. How do we even get across the regulations or the boards or whatever is required and saying, hey, we're going to set up a community place for people that want to homeschool. But this is like, you want to homeschool, but you can't homeschool. But this is the next best thing because we do this, this, this, this, man. I reckon it's going to be as expensive as private school, to be honest. You know, 20, 30 grand per. But even that's not expensive. That's actually cheap because it's. What's the cost of your kids, of having the right education?

Success.

Yeah.

Properly, proper. Yeah. My brother currently homeschools his kids. He lives on farm and acreage, so.

Yeah.

So it is interesting, though, because I.

Think with homeschool, everyone's got a different way to do it. Right. I think. I think we. I think the solution is to present an alternative, because I want to get this ready. By the time Ocean's ready to go to school, I go, no, no, no. You're going to go into this school. This is. I don't know. That would be a solid business idea. I think there'd be a lot of men supportive of that. And it's probably just figuring out how to build it out and taking a look at the curriculum, taking a look at the skills. What are all the skills like? It's got to be real practical skills. It's got to be cool, it's got to be fun, and it's got to be worthwhile as an alternative. I think an alternative is needed, but figuring out what that looks like can be our job to lead the next generation. Sound good?

Exciting. Yeah, man.

All right, well, let's. Let's wrap this up. That's. That's all we got for you guys today. If you liked this episode, leave a comment down below. Let us know what you think about homeschooling. We obviously touched on nutrition, and then we're going back with kids. But, you know, is. Is a new homeschool or is an alternative to the schooling system needed? If so, what would you add to your homeschool? What activities would you want your kids to learn? Would you want them to learn self defense? Would you like to learn? Would you like them to learn how to make shit and sell shit? Would you like them to learn gymnastics? Would you like them to Learn music, all of the different things that they can actually learn, as opposed to sitting in the classroom and going through the normal education system, which obviously has its pros and cons. It's produced, you know, adequate people thus far. It's worked thus far. But just seeing where it trends and how dangerous things can shift, such as, what was that book, our. The Shift that Everything's Normal? That book that went viral on social media last week. Just seeing how certain trends and certain propaganda messages can be infiltrated inside of our schooling system is a time that, you know, we create something for the people and for the children by the parents and not by the education system. And so, yeah, I'm interested to hear in your thoughts comment down below. Let myself and I know next week we're going to put together a plan of, like, what is the best homeschool that we're going to create? What would be the best system? What would be the best syllabus? What would be cool, what would be fun? How much would it be worth? And obviously, this is a problem that's going to be solved by entrepreneurs. And I think this is where I want to dedicate, you know, my time to figuring out how we can better the life of our kids.

It's a very valuable mission, man. I believe. Anyway.

Yeah. All right, brother, well, we'll see you next week. Have a great day and thanks for tuning in. Bye Bye, everybody.

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