270. Legacy in Motion: Callum Francis on Fatherhood, Leadership & Living with Intent

Welcome to another episode. But just before we start, if you're someone who really loves and enjoys the podcast, what we stand for me dropping the occasional F bomb, sometimes a bit more frequently than occasional, but nonetheless, the passion and the will and desire to help fathers and their families reach the next level and live a rich and prosperous life for themselves and their families, then, look, take this opportunity, take this moment to please share this with someone who, you know, needs to hear these words and listen to these podcasts and it could be your significant other. We have a lot of fathers who, their wives now listen to these episodes. Essentially, you could start them off with something as simple as episode 200 with my wife and I. But look, there's so much value in here, not just for the fathers, but actually for their wives to see the perspective and the angle and the lens from which we as men making our way through this world, busting our ass and really sacrificing so much how we operate, how we see things, and how much our family actually means to us. So again, enjoy the upcoming episode, appreciate your support, love and respect to all of you. But if there's someone who you know needs to hear this, whether it is your wife, your brother, could be your parents, anyone who is in your circle of influence and significant to you, I urge you to share this with them and continually build and promote this very valuable message in the modern world today that's so heavily needed. And again, much respect to you for giving back to yourself through these episodes. Welcome to a special episode we have today with Mr. Callum Francis, one of the HPF members. Actually, Cal's been with us for 22 years now in HPF, would you believe? So quite a seasoned veteran, hey, we'll be able to say that one day, man. One day we'll be able to say it. Not there yet. We're into our eighth season as a movement and organization. How are you, mate? You well?

I'm very well, mate. Very well. Some. Some people just know to. To get onto HBF bandwagon straight away, don't they? Then when they're 10, 12 years old, they're like, that's it.

That's right, exactly. High performance teens. High performance man. And then in high performance father. Absolutely. The jetsetter. Traveling around the world, mate, coming back from holidays and whatnot and working and. Very ambitious, man. I remember, actually, when was our call. I remember like it was yesterday, but it's been. How long has it been, mate?

I've been back, what, three and a half weeks, so it would be about five Five or six weeks ago, probably. I think I got you early on while I was just over there.

Yes, I meant the call when you came on board with HBF, but.

Oh, that call. Sorry, last call, mate. Every six weeks. No, so I've been. What, HBF? I'm in season two.

Yes.

Two months. So it's about. Yeah, 14. 14 months ago. Yeah.

So last May. Last May or June. Crazy, man. How quick does it go? I was thinking about that earlier with. With. We got some big projects we're working on every month. Here's August again. It's like, you know what? You only have four shots at this because the week goes so quick. Most of your calendars already locked in and locked and loaded. So it's like every week passes like that. So it's like I've got. We've got four shots this month to move the needle forward a bit more. Not just stuck in the whirlwind, but to move more. It goes so quick, man, but 14 months, what an incredible journey too, mate. You've been nothing short of inspirational, obviously. And even sharing and having you in part of our advertising, some of our advertising campaigns, sharing, you know, just, just. Just going for more and. And you're a great story. Just like all the other men. Callum, where it's not, hey, my life was falling apart. We all have different parts along the journey, so I'm really keen to get yours and, and really dig in, man, and talk about, hey, you know what? Like, this is. This is where life was and. And I just wanted fucking more. I'm an ambitious man, high standards. Things I wanted to fix and change. But let's rewind that a little bit, man. Share a little bit about yourself and I guess your story, your journey, native in Australia or came over or.

I came over. I'm. I was technically born in Scotland, but I grew up in Norway, which is why it was important. We just went back there and it was important to take the kids back to where I grew up and also celebrate as my. My in laws 60th birthdays next month. So we went, it was a big family to Norway, had a great time and so, yeah, so. And then moved to Australia sort of. I think it was 11 or 12. I think I moved to Australia and then obviously growing up here ever since been a bit back and forth and again turned 19, went traveling back across Europe. So, yeah, a bit of a jet set. It's probably someone. Some who wander on to lust all the time, but met my wife while I was traveling, living in London and yeah, Been. Been together, what, now? It'll be 10, 10 years this year we've been together with my wife. So married any couple because of COVID and whatnot. But yeah, got two. Two beautiful kids, about to turn five and about to turn two. So. So young kids and sort of, you know, it was. Everything early on in, you know, prior to hpf, everything seemed, you know, fairly good. I've got a good relationship with my wife, got a good relationship with my kids, but I'm starting to see patterns of a. Of a man that I. That I wasn't happy with. You know, my wife and I may have an argument and, you know, early on in the relationship, it might be, you know, once a year we'd have like a big one, you know, where maybe you don't talk to each other for. For a couple of days or whatnot or, you know, you're still. You're still there. You still say, I love you, whatever, but you're like, we're not ready to talk yet. And then that became, you know, maybe twice a year, and then it was becoming like once a quarter, and then it was becoming, you know, once a month. And it was. And then it got to a point where I was like, I could see where the progression was going. I was, you know, thinking to myself, if this continues the way it's going to go, then I'm not going to have the great relationship with my wife and kids are going to not want to be part of. Part of my, you know, they don't want me part of their lives, which is more important. So I started seeing that quite early on. And, you know, I'd seen. I think. I think I'd actually seen an ad for HBF probably a year prior to me actually signing up, one of your sitting in the car saying, you know, you know, what sort of man do you want to be? And so I think I'd saved that. And then, of course, you know, I jumped back on Facebook, came to you, you know, made the call, had the chat with you, and then I haven't looked back since, to be fair. And it's been. It's been a very, very powerful, you know, moment of my life joining HPF to. To the point where even. Even my wife, to a degree, she still calls it, you know, oh, is that. Is that your dad, friend, your little cult, whatever it is. But she finds, but she. It's. It's again, she's now starting to see, I think, the benefit of the sort of man I've been through, going through it. You Know, she was very, very adamant that I didn't need something like hbf. You know, I could just work on it, we could work on it together, et cetera, et cetera. But getting amongst like minded men, men in maybe different, you know, different circumstances, different, different positions in their lives with their wives and their kids, but getting on men who ultimately want to become better versions of themselves, you know, what you call 2.0, 3.0 and eventually 15.0 when you're 80 and on your deathbed or whatnot. Hopefully, hopefully later than that. But you know, that's, that's the sort of man that I want to be around. And amazingly, what made me actually sign up again for season two wasn't necessarily the course content or whatever it is, it was the community. Because I'm, I'm the first of all my friends to have kids. You know, I still have all my mates, they're either, you know, newly, newly married or about to get married or you know, they've got, you know, puppies. So they decided, oh, we don't really want kids. So all my close mates have not had kids and they love being around my kids, they love being aunties and uncles and whatnot, but they get to have the kids back. But. So I don't really have, amongst my group of friends, other dads to speak to you about stuff. No, I have, I'm very fortunate. I have an amazing relationship with my father. I can talk to about mostly anything and I have a good relationship with my father in law as well. You know, any sort of dramas or anything like that, he's happy to take a phone call and whatnot. So you know, again, you know, I do look at this and no offense if they do end up listening to this, but the elder statesman, you know, you take from their wisdom and you put it through, but there's no one who sort of at my age, my experiences being a new dad that I'm close with that I get to talk these things through. So going through hbf, it was all about the community. It was all about giving back to those guys and it's all about, you know, connecting with them because they're going through something very, very similar to me or they're in the same sort of mindset as I am wanting to better themselves as dads. So, so yeah, that's, that's season, that's why I'm here for season two.

Yes, mate. And look, the interesting part is like it's, it's. And I talk about this and, and live and breathe this the path to receiving is giving, you know, And a very common, easy example is, look at Christmas time, you know, do you like opening your presents or seeing others open up presents you bought for them? And some might argue both, and that's fine, but. And everyone's different. But I would say a large collective would be like, oh, man, I feel really, really good when I see that my wife or my children or my brother or sister or my mother or father open up a gift that I've genuinely gotten for them. And to see the look on their face helps me feel important, you know? But with hpf, it's like, well, you come here for a service. You're here to take mate and please take fuck mate. Take as much as you can, please, because your results in themselves will be speaking volumes on modeling the example of what's possible and showing the other guys when they have tough moments and dips and we all do mate. Myself include, like, it's a crazy year with the wife number four in the way. Her breaking a tailbone. Like, it's been getting a crin on for a podcast shortly, which will be. Which will be interesting. Interesting. The bands has already begun. But, I mean, you stepping up in that leadership role and giving back is. Is then another pathway to receiving because it reiterates yourself, your journey and your standards. And I love that about you. And it's interesting too, Callum. Like, it's not. And it's not women's fault too, but that is a common thing. Like, hey, oh, you don't really need this, or you'll be okay. But a lot of the times, because the way they're wired with their emotional volatility with women, they're living in a state of emotion more than logic and vision. So in that snapshot, in that moment in time when there is harmony, hey, well, you don't probably need that, or I don't think you need that, but. But that's the whole point of being the father and the man and the leader, seeing more and before. And like you said, things just crept in, the frequency crept in. And it all comes down to standards, right? It's like, okay, what's my ultimate fitness regime? Like, what's my body weight like? And okay, what's my relationship like with the children? Like, yeah, I love them, but. And I provide for them, but am I present? Am I doing special time and engaging with them with my wife, with the greater community and even men who are highly successful season on season with HPF by next challenge is, okay, cool, mate. How many people are you mentoring, how many people are you helping rise up this weird never ending game. But what I love, man, is your awareness. Especially given you didn't have the environment around you of other fathers. So your awareness is second to none. But also the priority was important too. Like a lot of men listening to this, that they'll feel, you know, deep in their gut and their intuition, they'll be like, yeah, things aren't. But it's, it's not just the awareness in, in that gut feel, it's also prioritization. Like you, yeah, you saw us a year ago, but then you reached a point where like, well, things haven't fallen apart or haven't fallen apart yet, but, but let's go, I'm curious on that.

Like, what.

Where does that come from for you? Because you weren't in an environment of other people who had kids in your friendship circle that said, ah, Callum, you need to do this, man. It's like, that seems very self driven. Like what's. There's a common thing about. It's a commercialized that the books start with why Simon Sinek great book. And a lot of people say, what's your why? But for me it's like, what drives you, man? Like what drives you towards that, what gives you that desire and reiterates that purpose? That's what in today's day and age, where some do and some fucking don't, to put it blunt. And look, guys, listening this podcast, you've got something in you. Otherwise why would you spend your time, why'd you waste your time, quote unquote, listening to this? So you've got it. But yeah, some guys have it, some don't. But tell me about that, man. Where did that come from, that drive, that ambition, going, hey, you know what? I want more, I want a high standard. I want to build on it. Because you didn't have to, but you did.

I think, if I really think about it, I grew up in an environment like I have a. And I'm trying not to get emotional. I have a great relationship with my father and I'm very fortunate that now in, as I grow up, I get to work with them on a more personal level. It's not just father, son, it's now, you know, co director, director, we're driving business together. And. But my, even from a very young age, I think just, I genuinely just think the environment, my, my parents have been great parents. And what's really funny is all my close mates come from broken families to a degree, you know, they've had Parents that have had a couple of divorces or been remarried a few times, whatnot. Whereas. And they always come around and they speak highly of my parents. They go, you know, I can't believe your parents are still so affectionate. One another and very lovey dovey. But, you know, I really have had a great example of what a good father is. Not even a good father, an amazing father. And you know, he. My father gave everything to his kids. And yeah, look, there were times, there were times when we grew up in Norway, like he was very involved with the rugby out there. He was the international coach for a period of time coaching the international team. And so there were times where the weekends where he was away, you know, he'd work like dad's dude leaves early in the morning, comes home late. And then the weekends he'd be flying off somewhere to play rugby or to, to coach rugby. And so there were weekends, you know, where he wasn't around. But I never felt like my dad was never present or never there, which I think is. Is crazy. And I think, you know, the standards of father that I had, the bar's high, you know, and my wife as well, my wife's father, I can't speak high enough of him. The standard, you know, we've both come from very loving families and so I do know what great dads are supposed to be doing and what the standards are there. So I do think that's maybe partly, if not a massive part of it. You know, I remember I'm gonna cry actually. This is emotional shot. But on my first date of my wife, my wife said, oh, you know, we're doing the classic, like, you know, what's your favorite color? What's all this, you know, the small talk, sort of trying to get to know each other is our first date. And she goes, who's your hero? And I was like, my dad. And she's like, did not expect that on the first day to be so open. And. And I generally said, you know, I said, if I am half the man my, my dad is, I'll be all right. You know, my dad's, my dad's amazing. So I do think that a lot of it comes from being and sort of growing up in an environment where, where I know where what good men do, what great dads do. And even though I don't have my mates, they're not sort of, they're just different life choices. They're just not in the same sort of circumstances. But I, I do think. Cause I've been aware of It. For such a long time that I demand more of myself, you know, particularly with this. And, you know, my wife deserves it. She's come from a very loving family. I don't want her to, and she's moved over to the other side of the world, you know, she's from. She's from the uk. She's. She's got no family out here except. Except me and the kids, you know, and to the extension, my extent of family. But, you know, it's. She doesn't have a mum or dad here or her brother's here or anything like that, so she's made a tremendous sacrifice. So my wife deserves having a good man and a good father at home, you know, definitely for. Just. For the sacrifices there. So, yeah, I don't know. That's. That's probably where most of it comes from. You know, Again, even when you talk about the good things, about the good habits that men have, you know, they eat well and they don't, you know, your alcohol consumption's at a minimum. Like, my parents never drank around me. Yeah, they'd have a glass of wine with their friends, but it was never around the kids, you know, they ate reasonably well. My dad's been. My dad's ex military, so very fit, you know. And again, I was just looking at patterns, you know, before hbf, I was very unfit. I wasn't eating well, you know, okay. I wasn't really drinking because it's never really been a massive thing for me. I'd like nice spirits and whatever, and I'll sit there and have a tipple every once and again, but it's never. I've never been really into binge drinking or anything like that. So, you know, from the. From the get go, I've been given a good example as a kid and subconsciously sort of absorbed that in, I suppose, is. Is where all that comes from.

That's a really powerful share, man. Really powerful share. What do you. What do you say to then, men who might be listening to this who are like, well, man, fuck, I didn't have that upbringing. I didn't have a father like that. Like, is that. And what advice would you have? Is that like, well, is that then an opportunity to try and become the father you never had? And where would they model that from? I mean, HPF sets an example, but, yeah, what. How could a man embody that? Because then it's like, okay, well, yeah, Callum, that's awesome. Thank you for sharing, mate. But you know what? I didn't have that upbringing. You had I want to have drive, I want to have ambition, I want to have that fire back. But I don't have good standards that are ingrained in me from being a young boy. But I definitely want to be the father that I didn't have. Or change the. Break the chains, man. Or is it chain breaker, legacy maker. Love that the boys put that together for Aidan and that was an epic trip that the guys had over in Perth. But what. Yeah, man. What would be, I guess, some food for thought on that for men who might not have had that. How could they start or light that fire or try and embody those standards?

You mean aside from join hpf? I mean, look, I say that a little tongue in cheek, but also not I the most. You're the sum of the five people you train yourself with. That's a thing that we've heard as old as time. I don't think that remains so true. It's unbelievable. I think if I'm feeling down or I've had a rough week, you know, maybe I've not worked out, maybe I've, you know, my habits have slacked off. Maybe not being as productive, whatever it is, you're feeling a bit critical about myself, the jumping into the network, chatting to the guys and whatever, you know, I pull immense energy from these guys. Even Winter wars that we're currently doing now, I've got two guys who've literally been in a week. And the energy, they're obviously very high in energy. They want to. They want to change themselves, want to grow to 2.0 second version of themselves. And yeah, I do think trying to find people that are like that is. Is the best way you have to model, I think. I think maybe. I think Alex and Mosey's talking about this. You want to become rich, you've got to find people that are way richer than you are. You want to be the poorest amongst your group friends, and once you get to that level, you want to find even richer friends. I think the same principle applies to being a dad. I think you want to be surrounded by good men who are, you know, honest men with integrity and discipline and that embody the values that you want, you know, And I think if you go, well, if you even. If you look back and even do a bit of. A bit of an audit and a life order of what you had as a kid and you go, okay, well, you know, maybe. Maybe dad wasn't great at this area and I want to be great in this area. And, you know, Mum wasn't great in this area and whatever and their relationship was a bit like this. And these are things I notice and I don't want these things. Okay, cool. Right. Well then go find examples of those things, of the opposite of those things and model that. I think, I think it's, you know, not to say it's easy. It's not easy. Being, being a good man should be easy. And it's not you. There's, you know, I've said this to my friends, my wife and my, and my daughter particularly now she's, she's turning five. She's, you know, having a bit of a voice around. They're very critical of Daddy. When Daddy does the wrong thing, you know, they know they hold me accountable very much and I've asked them to do it. You know, it's not like I say that, oh, you know, and get all defensive about it. I've asked them, you know, hey, you know, Daddy's trying his absolute hardest to be the absolute best he can be. If you think that daddy's slipping, you need to tell him, you know, so it's, yeah, it is big pieces that accountability from those that are around you and to get those that, around you that you want to, to be like you need to surround yourself with, with like minded men. I, I do. I, I think that's probably the, that's 80% of it. The other 20% of it becomes down to just being disciplined in, in what you want to do. You want to eat well, you want to work out well, you want to make sure you've got energy for your wife and kids. You've got to be able to deal with whatever crap life throws your way. So I think that's a, that's a big part of it. Yes.

I remember hearing a quote. It's a, Your life is a result of the actions you take, not the aspirations you make.

So here's another one, here's another one for you. Talking about the thing and doing the thing. Fight for the same resources.

That's a good one. Yeah, that's a really good one. It's so true. Your brain, 20% of your calories used up by your brain and sitting here

talking about, oh, I'm going to be like, you know, I'm going to be the next CrossFit champion, you know, and then actually going out and training is the same resources. So one, one of them is going towards the thing you actually want and one of them's just talking about it.

Yes, it's incredible, isn't it? You know, it's also Just mentioning the, the women in our lives, like, it's why, fellas, I genuinely believe that as men, we do not need to retain anything or have any memory at all because our wife and our daughters will always remember and remind us of our shortcomings. So. So you don't have to remember anything, mate, about that. Lillian, who's the same, oh, she just turned 6, but she's. Oh, mate, she'll cut me to pieces. So clever too. So clever too. Special Time with. So it's Special Time with Stella. So for those who haven't listened to other podcasts. I don't know, it's. For us, it's a term that was created by Shannon Brenton, one of the amazing men and experts that we bring on the inside, where he, he discussed in a session. It's about filling up their buckets of power and attention. And you give them status and you give them, whether you have one kid or five, you're giving them just your time and not a slave per se, but you're filling their buckets of power and attention. They can do whatever they want within the realm of safety and time. It's only 10 minutes, 10 minutes once a week. So I was doing that with Stella and Lillian was complaining a little bit, you know, just impatient and five and six year olds, man, it's like, just clicks. Like you said, they, they just the gender changes. And you know what she said? She said, but please, daddy, she's like, I was the only one that said your name first when I was a little baby. I was like, how could you pull that? How could you even remember that, let alone pull that argument that Roman and Stella said. Mum first. I was like, man, they are, they're so clever. That, so clever. It's crazy.

My daughter knows how to get away with me. You know, you sit there and you're like, you kind of ice cream, like. But Daddy, you said only the best daughters get ice cream and I am the best daughter. And you're like, oh, yeah, I did say that. Okay, let's go get ice cream. That's right.

Yeah, I do it all the time. Like with, with Roman, I'll say, hey, you're my favorite. And Queen will look at me and I'll be like, son, you're my favorite son. But he's my only son. So I could say that just like you are at the moment. Environment, man. It really is. And it's, it kills me that I heard that for so many years from all of the either motivational speakers or entrepreneurs or people who've created wealth in. In their own right. Family, self or service or a collective. But the sum of the five people you hang around, you're the sum of the five. And it's so true, man. Like, I could have great friends that I'm really aligned with, I don't know, a footy team. But they hate the gym, they hate their wives that complain about them all the time, they hate their jobs and they don't want to do anything fulfilling with their work. And man, if I hung around, that's driven and as ambitious as I am, you can't not take that subconsciously on board, that would deflate me. But not even that, Callum, even if it didn't pull me away, it's a distraction which stops me from reaching further. So I could operate at L 3.7, but I'll never go to L. 3.0 or 4.0 because I'm always neutralized. I'm always like coming back to neutral again, neutralizing all the negative. And I've used up all that juice, like you said. Talking about it or doing it, I'd say it'd be the same thing with environment. Like just negating and stripping away all the negative things around you use the exact same power that if you started at neutral, you could use to enhance and build and become more. And the accountability you mentioned, I never thought of this way. So we're big on accountability, obviously. But if you're in an environment where there are people who are performing better than you and it's got to be wholesome and genuine and holistic, which HPF is. There's no judgment, no fuckwits, it's a great crew. But if you're in an environment of people who are better than you, then you're naturally more accountable because you're subconsciously and actively aspiring towards not copying, but modeling parts of their life they're doing. So what is accountability? It's the follow through and answering to a pursuit of becoming more than you are with your actions, your habits, your outcomes.

So otherwise to a future person, to a future self. Yes, I think it's an important bit because I think I remember you talking to. I think how to your podcast of Hara. You discussed this and I, in my head, subconsciously, while I was listening to it, said you can't be accountable to yourself. That's just discipline. That's just you doing the things you said you were going to do. It's nothing else to it. But future Callum will be thankful and I'm accountable to him for the things I Do now, you know, slightly different frame on that, I think.

No. Agree. Yeah. No agreement. What a legend. How good was a great podcast. Yeah. No jokes. No jokes today had I made. We've done. He's a great man. Doing well with his shoulder recovery. He posted in. Because you're a squad leader as well.

Yeah. So every week I chat with. Chat with those chance. They are great. You know what we just did just a little sidetrack on this. We did the 16 personalities quiz just before we all caught up yesterday evening.

The commander.

We're all. Yeah, so I'm the commander. But what I found crazy, and I think Eric thought was crazy. We are all different. There was two squad leaders the same. So we've got commander. You know, Hudden. I can't remember what had. I was off the top of my heads. You know, Luke was.

He was the advocate, the old dude. I'm not going to say a joke, but the picture was very interesting.

Yeah, nice. You know, we had an architect. We have a logician. Like it was. We were all so different. You know, Wayne was the adventurer. So all these different personality types. We were all completely different, which I think is really well, because, I mean, that's. I think it's a testament to the fact that we sit here as that squad leader position and, you know, help. My way of definitely giving back to community that's given me so much is that when we sit there and we have these conversations every Tuesday night about what's going well and even personally what's going well in our lives, what's not, you know, and then we talk about what we can do better for hbf, et cetera, et cetera. We all have different opinions and we all have very different views on things. And I mean, the fact that that came up was just like, oh, that why we all look at things completely differently, yet we're all in a leadership position here.

Yeah, absolutely, man. I saw Jimmy was the entrepreneur of business.

There we go. I like that one.

That's so awesome that 16 personalities is so good, man. Like, it's. Yeah, yeah. And Eric. Eric's done a phenomenal job in. In recruiting and. And then well deserved, too, for you guys to become squad leaders. It's. That's incredible. But yeah, Harto made the joke, not me, talking about how he. He. He matched his. The picture of the advocate, which is the personality type of the diplomats. But now, incredible, incredible spread. And just for those who aren't aware, unsure. So with hpf, we've got squad leaders. Right. So all of our Squads. We've got a group of like the top 1% so to speak. And then these are members. Like I need you to understand how valuable this is. And these men are like, it's the people, man. It's the members, the squad leaders, the vision. All three of those trump any fucking personal agenda I have. And through pursuing something so much bigger than myself, al fucking wins anyway. That's, it's so crazy, mate. Like, I can't believe it took me so long. Not that I was self centered or selfish. I mean you can go through the history of hpf, but to, to. So it's not about that, it's about understanding the power of that and buying into that now. It's like I'm here to serve and here to, here to really with the squad leaders, you know, give them everything they need and that these are members who are now driving the culture. And so I just want you guys to, to understand this. These guys are catching up. They're reading through things like 21 laws of leadership by John Maxwell. And so they're having their dojo meetings and walking through how they can help support guys, engage guys even more who might be struggling or the shit's hit the fan at home or. It's just incredible man. Like just, just see that, that, that energy and that, that power of the, the. It's not a one to or it's a one to many through many, you know. And that's, that's extremely inspiring that you guys don't have to give, you give additional time but then, but that, that's the cascading approach too in me wanting to serve and, and go above and beyond for all of you, man. And look at what you guys are doing for others in the community. Mates. It's so awesome. Callum, that was you that's been on the podcast lately, yourself obviously. Hutto, Lee and, and, and, and Luke actually all of you boys are squad leaders.

James has been on a couple of times I think in the past. Isn't he as well Jimmy as well?

Yeah, yeah, powerful. And we've got obviously squad leaders in the other groups like the Knights and, and, and whatnot. But the, across all the, all the four squads. But incredible man, incredible. How have you found, have you found that like I guess being, being another leader is that then drive more accountability again, is it like what do you find the value is for yourself out of this or.

I mean the reason why I actually put my hand up firstly was almost selfishly I like, you know, I, I, I enjoy not even for my own self development and whatnot. I really enjoy my calls with Eric. You know, just, you know, we'll spend, you know, good 20, 25 minutes actually dialing in. Sorry, dialing into to what? I'm. What I'm doing, whatnot. And then we spend the next, you know, five, ten minutes. I always try and try and book it towards the end of his day so that I get a little bit extra time, you know, sounds like these little things because I love catching up with him. And I really just saw this. This is another level to connect with Eric, connect with yourself, connect with the other coaches, you know, and, and connect again with, with the guys you like. You said are the, the top performers. Yeah, top, yeah, the top guys in, in the squad. I generally was like, yeah, this is, this is the group. You know, I'm, I've just done season one. I feel like I'm, I'm good and I could, you know, in theory. I did think there was a, was a week there where I was like, maybe I don't need HBF anymore, whatever it is. And then Eric was like, hey, look, squad leaders come around. You know, this is where you help other guys. And I said, well, I've got immense value out of it. So, you know, the secondary part was I really want to make sure that other men see, see what HPF can do. Do for them, you know, and, and, and give back in. In a way that I, maybe not previously, I mean, maybe I was just doing the same thing before, you know, constantly sharing. But again, I think my style of things, I don't share too much publicly with, with the guys. I don't put too much in the chats. You know, I did early on, but not so much anymore. You know, I do, I do a couple of posts into the general community occasionally, but I'm very much a advocate from, from, from the sidelines. You know, I will message guys privately instead and I will do these things, you know, separately or, you know, maybe not in the HBF mining network, but I'll, I'll text them and I'll call them and I'll do these things. And every week I do that. And I've got immense value out of that myself. You know, speaking to other men, connecting with other men. Again, I get a lot of energy from that. It motivates me to, to be better. You're right. With the accountability piece, it's. I'm now seen as, as in a leadership position. I now have a bunch of other men that I need to make sure that I'm Performing for. So it's. Yeah, it's. Apart from that, it's a lot of fun. You know, I love the Tuesday night catch ups that we have at the dojo. It's, it's great, you know, Ness, but

also, like, there's nothing wrong with your personal intent too, man. Like, I understand what you're saying too, but I've said this before, like, everything that we do, and then obviously you expanded on how much value you get out of giving value to others, which is the given. So, guys, everything we do in this world, we do for ourselves. Well, that's not true. It's like, well, no, it is, because even if it doesn't positively impact you and positive impacts others, and that's what the risk is with being a martyr and sacrificing and giving, giving, giving for your family. Because whether it's real or not, whether you're broken or you keep going, you've justified in your head a story of significance that has then validated your position on, quote, unquote, killing yourself for others. Right? It's like jumping in front of the speeding bullet. You've prefabricated in your head that you're a hero through society and saving others, which is why you jump in front of the bullet and save a stranger and sacrifice your own life. Look at that. That's true. So it's not focusing on that. That's an absolute. And in human beings, we all have personal agendas. Call it selfish. I get so much out of hpf, man. So much like my perspective, my lessons, my learnings, every podcast. There's no way, no way an individual up with all this. No way. I get so much out of this, man. Like, it's just I feel truly blessed in the environment. The question is better. A better question. Better is a question to ask, which is so everything we do in this world, do it for ourselves. But what is it that through everything that we do, we do for ourselves? Our actions can then also impact, improve and enhance the life of others, the lives of others as well as the lives of ourselves. Because you've got to be 100 to give 100. So that's the question. So, hey, I wanted to redo this and be a squad leader for myself so I could speak to it, but then have a look at the benefit and that. That's the power, man. Like, it's knowing full well, hey, yeah, look, everything I do, I do for myself with some sort of agenda, whether it's through the eyes of my wife and children providing or not. But what Is it that I can do that keeps me at 100 so I can give a hundred and that through my personal agenda like going to the gym and saying no to the family. I can't help you right there. Oh, you need to go for a walk. But what is it across the board that gives you the lens to go hey, my actions in family self and service every single week whilst it's driven through me, I'm the common denominator. I'm living my life and my, my, my world. Look at the impact and the ripple effect has on everyone else's world. That's children man, what a gift. Like nothing will bring you bring. Nothing will bring you back to center on that epiphany more than having kids, that's for sure. What may walk us through.

I'm just, just curious.

I'd like, I guess not, not, not tactical but would love to understand just a couple of the key tweaks you've made. So you spoke about health and fitness and whatnot but what were some of the challenges you were having like with the Mrs. And these are the things which is going to be very impactful for a lot of these men listening because like oh yeah, that's not so bad. It's like well no, no, this is what it actually means. Like you know, the whole what do you want for dinner? Nothing, whatever you want. They get frustrated. Like it's a lack of connection. You're driving more decisions and logical processes and masculine energy into your wife choosing dinner all the time. You wouldn't believe it but there it's true. But, but walk me through man. What were some sticking points or struggles or challenge with the Mrs. And what are some things you did to correct that and, and navig and build a stronger bond? Again

the look there was always a, one of the big sticking points I genuinely think and is still to, to a degree much less so now than it was when we first moved back here to Australia as a couple is. You know my wife was basically with the visa situation and everything like that when we first moved over. She wasn't able to work whatever it is. So she was basically stuck at my parents house. We moved back stuck at my parents house while I out working. No, didn't know really anyone. You know we had a couple of friends but again they were all working away, you know and so filling her cup up with things, building the social circle. I think a lot of, a lot of the frustration stemmed from that at a, at a deep level I suppose. And you know, and then I'D come home and I'd be like, you know, and this is before we found out that we were having kids. This is, I think was always a big, big thing and to a degree is because my wife's now stay at home. We're very fortunate, you know, I've. I think we're very fortunate that in, in my line of work I'm able to provide enough income that she doesn't need to go out and work. And yeah, it's money tight occasionally every month, occasionally, but it's. I much prefer. And we both agree that we preferred that one of us was at home with the kids. We think the kids get way more out of it than they would from a child care or, or whatever it is. And the couple of days off that she gets, you know, they go to my parents or whatever it is. So I do think that a lot of it stemmed from that. But then of course it was all the small things then that come from. Because I come home, I'm tired from work, you know, she's been around all day, bored. And it's a. It's an environment where friction will naturally occur. These things then just start. Every little thing starts to. To nag. Whatever it is, it does become very, very small things that blow up and I hold my hand up occasionally and still occasionally the emotions drive what I say, you know, and then you sit there and you say it and you immediately go, you know, now you're like, I should not have said. That's not what I meant. You know, I meant this other thing which had I thought about how to say this, I would have got the same message across. But I've said it in a way that now my wife's even more pissed at me. So yeah, it was just sort of, you know, that's where it stemmed from. And then obviously she able to start working, whatever it is, we're both tired, we're both, you know, we found out that we were pregnant. We found out we were pregnant during COVID I was working in hospitality at the time. So then we have all those other stresses and we were on different wavelengths. Is probably a good way to describe it. You know, we. Everything that we were talking about we were just disagreeing on and it was small. It would be as simple as, you know, not deciding what to have dinner tonight or, you know, my wife might turn around and say, hey, you know, I've spent all day with your mum, can we go out? And I'll be, I've been out all day, I want to stay home you know, it was, it was generally as trivial as that to begin with. And I think even, even now a lot of the stuff comes from just the fact that, you know, she sees, she views me as, I'm able to get away from the kids and go out and do my thing and I crush it at work and whatever it is. And then I come home and yeah, okay, I'm tired, whatever it is. But she's been chatting to, you know, a five year old all day. She wants to have an adult conversation and she's been touched all day by the children, so she doesn't want to hug. And the first thing I want to do is come home and give her a hug, say I missed you, how was the kids? So it's, it is these, these little things that come back and then it's amplified by the fact that again, yeah, she, she misses her family. You know, I've been the uk, we go back as often as we can. So again, when I was talking about the social circle something when we first moved here, yeah, that's, you know, we have more friends and definitely. And she's got more friends and whatnot. Again, it just, it's those sorts of different environments that I think that we're in and that's, that's where a lot of it stemmed from. Now, certainly the particularly, I suppose the last six months I've been more acutely aware of how I behave at home and how I, you know, if we're having a conversation, do you know what, we were sitting the other day having a conversation about something and you know, nine months ago, no, 10 months ago, that would have been an argument. That would be one of those big arguments, you know, that way we don't talk to each other for a couple of days or whatever it is, or we, you know, and as, you know, and in front of this, you know, particularly as the kids grow up, you know, we're trying very hard to not have these sorts of conversations in front of the kids. If it's going to be a difficult conversation, we want put them to bed, let's sit down, let's talk about it. But I stopped in mid conversation. I said, hey, this would have been an argument. And we're able to now talk about it. You know, can you believe that? And it was kind of not blowing my own trumpet, but it was, look how far we've come. We, we, we, we do these things and yet do those conversations. And does the emotion drive a conversation from me? Yeah, it does. Nowhere near as often as it was. And Every time I pick it up, you know, we both pick it up to a degree, but I pick it up and I always go, yep. That's when I go to her afterwards, I say, that was wrong. I was, you know, definitely not thinking logically on this thing. And I wanted to be analytical about this particular thing. And I'm trying not to make this about me. Let's try and work this problem out together. It's. It is. It all comes from. It's always little points of friction that really started and then it's just whatever the big issue is and just blows up, you know? Yeah, it's a. Yeah.

And it's like, yeah, no, no, man, this. This is just what I've seen for so many years with thousands of data points now. It's like mates, all those little things. But then the irony is, like, you talk about thinking and doing uses the same resources is if you invert that, the solution's exactly the same. It's like, man, it's all those little things. Just win by accumulation.

The one thing I. Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you. The one thing I will say about my wife is she's now very good at pulling me back to where I need to be. We had. We had Ayla, you know, new dad. And I was kind of like, not baby blues. I don't know if that's the same thing. But I was. Was very not. I was obviously elated to become a dad, but she, you know, these. They were a surprise. Both my kids were a surprise, you know, and. And I relished the challenge of being a dad, but I definitely was not in a financial position. We didn't have a house at the time, you know, when we found out we were pregnant. And so when we had Ayla, you know, we'd obviously had the house before then and whatnot, but we. When I had Ayla, I remember looking down at her just going like, I don't know what to do. I'm scared, I'm sad. I don't know, you know, and it's horrible thing to think about as a dad, especially because I love being a dad and I love my kids, like with all my heart. And it wasn't until my wife actually grabbed my arm, like properly grabbed my arm and pulled me down to a level. She goes, hey, I need you to snap out of whatever this is, you being gloom and moody because I need your help because I'm doing everything at the minute. And it's like, okay, yes, yes, ma'. Am. Let's write what you need. And from then on. And so every time I think I start to slip in these things, my wife's very good at going, hey, I can see where this is going. I need you to shape up. You know, she's very much a general in the home front, where I go out to the work front. You know, again, if she knows if I'm not enjoying my work or if I've come off a bad day with a client and I come home, she goes, hey, I can tell you've had a bad day. Can you just hold off for a couple hours until these kids go to bed and then we can talk about it? You know, she's very good at just going nut let's. She's very aware of these things.

That matters too, though, man. Like, I've spoken with other guys like Naz and whatnot, and even my own wife, like, if there are things that are amiss, like, it's. It's important for them to pick up on, like, then. Then they are actually invested in you. Whether it's, hey, you know what? Things have been pretty crazy. You haven't been in the gym. Like, I've got dinner sorted in the kids, bath time.

Get.

Get to the gym and go and do a workout hour. I'm like, okay, yes, ma'.

Am. Because.

Because as men, we just want to get. So it's good that, like, I mate, I let my wife lead isn't the word.

But there's.

There's the dynamic where, yes, of course, I'm open to and receptive of my wife leading in many areas, including helping me realign. Because as men, we just can get. Stay with one hat be so focused, so driven and so impacted. Whether it's work, whether it's relationship somewhere else, our children, our parents is. Sickness is challenges the world. So, yeah, that's. It's very valuable, man, to have that. And all those little tweaks that you make then reinforces how valuable Callum is when he's firing all cylinders, which then reinforces the wife's perspective on making sure, hey, I need to make sure that I can give him the space and time. But we're working as a family unit with the family goals and then giving them the chance to pour in their own cup, which is what we should be doing for our wives too, right, because they get in that. That mode as well, especially when they've got younger kids. Is that what you think? What do you think is the problem? Like, you know, from your, I guess, your observations made over the years, or even helping Some of the men in tougher spots with hpf, what do you think does become or just in general, what do you see would does become or would become the breakdown in marriages? Is it just neglect? They're not willing to address it. Stubbornness on both sides. Like what do you see as a reason why marriage is just fall over? Like there's, there's good and bad everywhere. So sometimes the woman is just completely poisoned. Evil in a narc. And then guess what, there's other times where a man is.

But.

But what? Yeah, what are your thoughts man? And I guess what leads to the eventual deterioration of relationships.

Stubbornness is a big one. I think if you're. Ego is probably. There's probably a better word for that. Egos is always I think is. Is. I think you'd be surprised if you can't dilute down what primarily causes divorce. Comes down to ego. And I think you would see that in most custody battles or divorce courts or anything like that at all. About, you know, you sit there arguing over a 20 buck toaster and the wife's sitting or the man's going no, she's not having that toaster. You know, it's, that's an ego thing. It's a 20 buck toaster. I do think that is, it's partly ego and I think maybe partly circumstances and the environment that you're in. I know HBF is a big advocate for. Especially when you first join hbf, all right, you're going to cut out the drinking. You want to make sure you start thinking clearly. You want to get in good shape. I think if you have a man who does all those things, you know, they're in good, they're in good shape to eat well, you know, drink in minimal alcohol consumption or none, you know, depending on your relationship with it. You know, you're reading, you got a growth mindset, whatever it is, these things that are the characteristics of a good man or a man who wants to better himself. I think that naturally, you know, will bleed into a relationship, you know, and your wife will either come along for the journey or she'll want the old version back because she, that's, that's what she thrives and she might thrive on that old sort of environment and you don't want anymore it. I do think that again, that's, that's probably primarily where it comes from. I think it's, it's a mix of both. You know, I've, I had a conversation with the guy who was the best man at my wedding. He, him and his, his mom. I've never known his parents to be together. You know, I don't know if they, I don't know how good their relationship is, whatever. But he said to me, you know, I said, your mom comes across as a bit Asian, Asian culture. She comes across as quite hard, quite hard on you, quite hard on your dad. Your dad seems like a great guy. Like, I don't understand. And he goes, you, you need to remember that she was 20 when she had me and I'm the youngest. You know, she, they had kids very, very early on. So you imagine 20 year old, you being a dad, trying to deal with things. He says, of course my parents got divorced. The, the environment and the circumstances didn't you know, he was, his father was in the Navy, he was away. And so I think that's a, I think that's a big part of it. At the same time, I think if you want to have a great relationship, you need to build the environment to have a great relationship. That includes filling your wife's car pup, not neglecting her, giving, having honey and handsome time, bringing spontaneity into your. To the, either to the bedroom, to the relationship, whatever it is. Bring flowers every once in a while, post it notes, you know, but, you know, making my wife now does Pilates. She never used to. She did rowing when she was in university and then, you know, didn't. Not that my wife's ever not been fit at all. She's gorgeous. But, you know, this time she's like, you know, I had two kids and she wants to get back into some really good shape. And so she goes, I'm gonna do Pilates. She sees me go to the boxing gym all the time. So I think the habits, the good habits that I've brought back and the habits that I'm doing to discipline myself is now starting to bleed into the relationship. She's now saying, right, I want to eat well, I want to work out. You know, I'm going to make sure that I give time to my kids, I'm going to make sure that I make time for my husband. And then in the inverse, I've got to make sure I'm eating well, working out, having time for my wife, having time for my kids and that environment, you know, ego's all aside because we're not here. We're here for each other, we're not here for ourselves. You build an environment that your relationship, your marriage can thrive.

Very sound men. Couldn't agree more. We look at the formula of hpf, the diamond of development, structure, capacity, skills, consistency. The structure is the order of things. And going from time management to choice management or proactive instead of reactive capacities. Your physical, mental and emotional bandwidth to be able to produce and perform for a long period of time. At eye level, skill sets are everything you just spoke about. Then with having the awareness, the keen eye on what does my wife need? What's value? Where's the story of value? Through the eye of the beholder. Obviously my kids and I love different things. Doesn't mean we can't connect over those things together. Obviously communication and connection through your leadership and how you lead by example, which was an important one. Inconsistency. If you do that, a lot of times you can count on me because people are counting on you. Like men listening to this. Like there are lots of. Lots of humans and little humans that are counting on you, man. They are counting on you. Like it's greatest gift a man can ever give his family. Very best of himself. Very best of himself. So it's so simple, Callum. But what makes it hard is life. Like it's not that simple. Formula. It's. It's gotta be specific. So I can land so specific in how you develop your capacity. The house. Right, the house. Specific in the structure you set, specific in the skill sets you need to prioritize. Cause you can't do everything in one week. But then it's also gotta supersede what life throws at you. Because life is coming, man. Which is why it's very hard to do a little course here or a little workshop there or listen to a podcast. Not to talk any of this, but there's a real risk with just listening to these podcasts versus being in an environment. Like you said, Callum, I love these podcasts. They're so impactful. But even then they all fall short across the picture. We do get people reach out. Wives and the wives and the husbands. Thank you so much. Your podcast has transformed my husband. It's transformed my life. It's got me, my wife. But that's great.

But.

But it's. It's trying to. How do I counter the default level of resistance life is going to bring to then in a specific and personal way apply that fundamental diamond to develop everything you mentioned there, man, is spot on.

Can I have a rebuttal point on something you said there? Which of course, yeah, you said. You said life comes at you. I disagree with that to an extent. Which is life comes from you. So your actions, you're consistent with your actions. You discipline what you do, etcetera how you behave generates the life that you end up living. And I think once you understand that, your choice is to become very easy rather than life coming at you, your circumstances. I think if you. If you look at things again and I'll. I'll be very high level and hypothetical here, but if you sit there and you have, like, a victim mindhood of things every. The world throws at you, everything is bad. And I think that's. It should be the inverse. If you sit there and think, you know, I'm going to have a great relationship with my wife, your actions then ultimately will lead to that. I think the life. The life point comes. Yeah. Comes from you and what you do and then it goes from there.

Yes. Yeah, and that's a really good point. I like that. It's probably a delicate balance to look at, isn't it? Because it's like. I guess it's in. The life is in your hands. So if they don't. If they don't do what? Like, if men are there, don't apply the mentality, the perspective approach you just shared, Callum. Well, then the perspective will shift to. Life just comes at you. So it is interesting, isn't it? Yeah. No, I hear what you're saying, man. Very valid. We're. And we're all. How to put this the right way? Like, guys, we're all victims of trauma, but there's a difference between being a victim of a traumatic experience because none of us have a clean slate, where we just rip through life with ease. But there's a difference between that and maintaining a victim mentality. There's something, even for myself, I've got to be very conscious of because I want to talk about some of those things. Life to life coming at you. It's almost like trying to not. Not reverse psychology or neg the man, but trying to help him understand. Hey, you know what? There is a bit of a fight and a battle. But what you've alluded to then is. Well, actually, it just starts with you within man, on how you choose to see things and what you do create in life. What's that saying? It's not, you know, life will typically give you what you deserve, but that's because, like what you said, you are the one creating and expressing life itself.

It's interesting that you talk about the trauma point. That reminds me, I spoke to Naz when he came over to Perth. Naz's story was the first I ever saw hpf and I'm sure he won't mind me sharing this. I Think he's already shared this on the podcast a few times about him standing at the Weir. And you imagine what I said earlier on where my story. I had a great relationship. Well, I had a good relationship with my wife, good relationship with my kids. You know, I wasn't depressive. I had a good relationship with alcohol and I was eating relatively well. Just not consistent. And working out inconsistently, but still working out. And the first post I saw was Naz and now sharing his story, you know, where he was 12 months prior, I think, and that terrified me. Whereas, you know, and I said all the reasons that, you know, I was seeing a man, I would. A pattern, a thing I didn't. Of a man I didn't want to become. There was an example of a man that didn't want to become was the old Naz. You know, I didn't want to be standing in a position where you're considering the worst. And just as a little hack for myself, I was like, right, I don't ever want to get there. It's a big driver. And I think as much as. And I think this is the example I used Naz when I spoke to him. It's good to have a cheese to go to. If you're a mouse. It's also equally important to have a cat chasing you. You got to have both.

There was a study on that. Yes, there was a study on that man. Oh, yes, there was. You're mine. And completely agree, mate. Whether fabricated or real. Completely agree on. On the chase. You need both. The study was I had these rats in tubes and they put the waft or the scent of cheese at the front end. And they're. Obviously, they had little harnesses so it could measure the rat power. Yeah, horsepower. It's. I don't know if you told me, but I remember hearing about this ages ago. And it pulled at a certain rate, but then when they put the. The smell and the scent of a cat at the back of the tube. Yeah, yeah. And they couldn't see because they're in this harness. They could only look forward. So they had the cheese and the cat, mate. It was. It was phenomenal. It was. It was a. It was a multiplier. It might have been three or four times. It was huge. It was huge. Huge.

So, I mean, that's. That's my point. You know, you talk about victim mentality and trauma. I think it's important to take those and put them in a position in a circumstance and put it into your environment in a position that's Going to push you. And then you model the men that are around you that are doing, you know, like you said, the better performers are the men you want to become and you're chasing that. That's your goal. And so between the two of them, you know, most men will become gray fathers. Yes.

Yeah, agreed. But what a session. It's been. Great podcast, Callum. Do you have any. Yeah, I really appreciate you giving the time, man, and full of wisdom and insights and sharing your story as well. I guess as we wrap up, like final thoughts, mate, or food for thought or insights or advice or you can plug HPF again if you want, mate, but that's all good. It's okay. We keep chugging along, man.

Your last paycheck bounced, mate. I don't know if you saw.

I got a big bag of. Got a big hessian bag of money for you, mate, after. Oh, but yeah, man, I think, you know, men who aren't exposed to HBF or the environment, even if they start on their own, how could they get started? Or what's a. Could they chip away at or. Yeah, I guess any, any advice or, or wisdom to pass on, mate, to focus on this.

It's going to sound brutal. Focus on self, focus on yourself. You want to be the best version of you. So, I mean, you talk about it, be a hundred to give a hundred. There's nothing more that rings true. If I don't go to the gym for a week, I'm ready at home, you know, I've got all this excess energy and it's got to go somewhere and I can, you know, hopefully put in something at work. Sometimes it become a bit more emotional in conversation, but, you know, it ends up going places. So I think to most men it really is as simple as, hey, let's look at your environment, start building a set of circumstances that, that will benefit you rather than hinder you and find people that, that, that'll. That'll help you along the way. It's quite. It's crazy to think that now my wife says, oh, we would do that together, you know, but I have had. And I'm not saying that I couldn't have got this together. My wife is incredible. Like I've said, being able to draw a lot of energy from, from the tribe, from the other man, from the other squad leaders, from Coach Eric, from yourself, to. To be better version of Callum, you know, that I know future Callum's going to be. Thank goodness that he did make that decision. And I, I do think that it all starts from. From A place of wanting to change and therefore just your actions then have to. To. To. To mirror that, reflect that. You know, eat well, work out. It is as simple as that. To start, just to start. And then from there you can build upon whatever it is you need relevant to your circumstances. If it's not a great marriage, well, then you start looking at resources that help you with your marriage. You find counselors, hbf, whatever it is, books, you know, any experts, therapist, whatever. Whatever tool works for you. That's. That's where that comes from. But I think it does start from being able to build a capacity to deal with such a thing. Because you don't have the capacity to do it, then it's a. It's a losing battle. Yes.

And there's something really special and unspoken for. Being aligned with people and walking the same path. You know, again, like Corinne, she's. She's incredible. But. And we work as a team for. Similar to yourself and your wife. It's like we can't. Well, we can't solve all the problems together. And there's times where I want to be aligned with someone who's living through my eyes as a father, a man in this world that. It's impossible for Corinne. She can empathize all she wants, but it's impossible for her to, as much as she can figuratively, put herself in my shoes. But, yes, you gotta be 100 to give a hundred. Like men. Don't ever pour from an empty cup. We'll get our website up and running. Highperformancefather.com. like, jump on there, man. Have a look. There's some different resources, other bits and pieces. If you need anything, obviously, sing out. We're here to serve, we're here to help, but it's the actions, not the aspirations. You need that you need the driver. You need that true north. Like Callum's saying. Like it. But yeah, the actions. It's the old bull dad, whose dad's last podcast. You know, your actions define your reality, and the one constant in life is change. You'd want to be the engineer of that. Right on the receiving end.

Or the architect.

Yes.

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

The architect. Yes. Amazing, amazing stuff. Thanks for jumping on Callum and giving the time, man. So I've really enjoyed this.

Thank you for having me. I've been looking forward to this one. I love chatting with you and with Eric and the guys and the coaches. I always get a lot out of it, so thank you and thank you again. I don't know if anyone's done this before and been a bit fanboyish, but honestly, HBF has given me so much, so I really just want to thank you for starting it and everything you've done for it. And it's. It's been incredible. It's been a massive impact on my life. So thank you.

Ah, thank you, bro. It's great. Men like you, that makes it worth it, because it's not a day goes by where there's not a bit of that needs to be, metaphorically, of course, eaten. I saw that at Happy. Happy Gilmore. You eat pieces of for breakfast. Well, I watched it the other day. We haven't watched it for decades. Like, let's put on Happy Gilmore. I think the second one's out of something.

The second one is out. But you know what? My brother asked me, he goes, have you seen the second one? I said, I haven't seen the first one. I have just generally, I've never watched Abigilmore. So it's. My wife said, this weekend we're watching Happy Gilmore. So I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Watch what? Yeah, start with the original. I'm sure it's. Yeah, most originals are better than the sequels, but. But the band, we spend, like, 30 years, I think, between number one, number two. But, yeah, I remember that scene where shooting McGavin, he pieces shit like you were breakfast. So I say that figuratively, Ben, obviously. But. But no, it is true. Like, every day is tough, man. Every day's tough. But what's the alternative? Like you said, if we can create the life, but having people like yourself, just it so easy, like, it does, man. There's no other word. I wish it was a different word, but it does. Not that my life's easy, but I love doing the squad leader sessions once a month where I connect with all of you, and it's phenomenal, man. Let's keep going and growing. But thank you again, mate, and I hope you guys got some good value out of this with a lot of Callum's shares. And like always, man, take it. Take it and run with it. Don't just sit on it. Do something. Do something about it. Thank you, mate.

Thank you.

Well, that wraps up another episode. And just as we wind this down, I want you to just reflect and think back through some of the golden nuggets, some of the revelations, some of the sore points, some of the things that might have hit home with you, and then just look at ways that you can apply a different set of actions to change your position, change your circumstances. Change your feelings and change the facts. These episodes are done with your best interest at heart, and there's always something we can get from that. Maybe it's not the first time, maybe it's the second time. We've had members listen to episodes four or five times and then it finally clicks. But either way, I hope you got a lot of value out of this. And also, if this is something that you really want to solidify inside of your life, repetition is the key. You've listened to it. Write down your revelations, think about them, read them, speak them. Believe in the changes that you will carve out in the action plan of those revelations to create change in your life and then share that. And when you teach, you learn the second time, right? So teaching and showing this to others you love and care about is the greatest way that you can remember and make sure you consistently learn and relearn what is it's true and what is it is important to you in your heart. Take care, have an amazing day night, weekday weekend and I'll see you for another one soon. Cheers.