283. My Kids Were Scared of Me… That Was the Line in the Sand (w/ Jason Crittle)

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Well, this is certainly going to be one for the ages. We've got Mr. Jason Crittle with us today. He's been a member in hpf, judging by the beautiful length and color of his beard, for the last 67 years. But, no, I'm just kidding, there's only one Sean Hutton. But now look, you. I love the beard. I'm. I'm a bit envious, mate, so apologies for that. I just can't grow one. Looking good, though. Jace. How are you, mate? Good to have you on.

Thank you, thank you. Yeah, been looking, looking forward to having a yak with you and. Yeah, and having a chat about what's been going on with HBF and family and everything that's. But everything that's been going so much.

Jason 2.0. Probably closer to 3.0 now, I'd say, mate, what a journey. What a journey it's been for you. So, fellas, obviously earlier on in the piece. Yeah, I do coaching calls and men who reach out to hpf, all that sort of stuff naturally, as you would know, starting something with nothing. You wear all different hats. Jason's probably one of the last calls, I'd say maybe that have sort of. That I had. But I remember our call vividly, man. And what I remember most about the call is, is this, this. This fork in the road. It sounds corny, I know, but is this orchid? It's a fork in the road, man. Because there's this man telling me all these things and it's like, I need to be this for my children. My wife doesn't deserve this. My kids don't deserve this. I. I know I can do it. I know it's possible like this. I just need help. And then the other side was. I don't know why and I don't know why I want that and maybe I do or maybe I don't. Like, I know I should. I know I should give up the drink, but. But I don't want it on it. So it was such a. It was. Funny isn't the word, but it's such an intriguing conversation I had with you, man, because there was this man that is like. It was like this battle between almost the brain, which is a really dangerous weapon at times, mate, when it comes to habits, conserving energy, doing the same thing again, it's like the head and the heart. That's what I was saying. There was this battle between the head and the heart because there's this man who's like, I know I need to change and I'll end up buying from. From the drink and this, this and that and. But also like it. Yeah, I know I should change, but I haven't changed. And I don't want this part of me that doesn't want to change, but I don't know why I don't want to. I'm sure you'll put into better context, mate, but that was one of the most fascinating calls I think I ever had. But more importantly, you're not the only one who's thought that way. But. But here you are, mate, you know, in HPF with some amazing success for you and your family. But. But I love. I'd love for you to. I'll just put the mic down, mate, and listen for the next 50 minutes. But now, look, we'll go through a couple of bits and pieces, but, you know, you got some powerful stuff to share, mate. I'd love to get some insights into what you reflected on that day when we first connected, how that was for you, and then. And then I guess backpedal a little bit into what life was like before that call and how it's been since.

Yeah, I can do. Yeah, I remember the phone call too, because when I first looked at hbf, I knew that I had to do something. But to the point where I drove up the road to make sure I had proper service, I was getting a phone call because I sat on the

side of the road

really pondering about my future and where I was going to be. Like, I. I was so lost and, you know, I'm pretty. Being pretty open in this whole venture, in this whole journey that, you know, my addiction has been probably my main issue, which I. And I never really, Never really thought it was as a proper addiction because I thought I had it under control. So that phone call with you, Alex, I mean, the One, the one thing I do remember is what ambitions and what goals do you have? And I mean, I just shrugged my shoulders and went, I really don't have any. I'm completely lost. And like you said that 30 years of the same thing over and over and over, telling myself I needed to change but just couldn't get out of it. This just couldn't do it and couldn't find anyone to help me to get out of it either. Like my, my family. You would think to get rid of that addiction would be good enough, but they went down a different path. I stayed on straight ahead, I'm going this way and dug myself in a deep hole, a very deep hole. So, and you know, I'm sitting in that ute going, I either lose and if I lose it all, there's no point really being here, or it's time to actually say to myself, I need help and I need something else to get me out of this hole. And I sat there and looked at that 60 minute documentary and I watched it over and over and it brought tears to my eyes. And then I thought, that's the man that I want to be that person. I'm going to be one of them guys down there showing that you can change. Never thought I could change. So, you know, I've been a heavy drinker for 30 years and smoker as well. But you know, the only thing that I've. I thought at the time before HBF was the only thing I'm good at is going to work and giving 100% to work. And that is all I need to do. Leave me alone. I'm a hard worker. I'll bring in the money. Whatever I do after that, you know, I'm the man. I'm a big tough working man. And how wrong I was. But, you know, it's. I get a little bit emotional, but it's, it's funny how addiction is in people who take on addictions as a different thing. For me, it was not only is an addiction, it also makes you very immature and it also makes you very selfish. Very selfish in the way that I'd put all my family behind. And when I say immature, I mean, what does a kid do in a way when they want something, they're going to bung it on and they're going to till they get it. I mean, that's where I, my addiction was just getting out of control. It was taking over. I would do anything silly to get to it. I'll be very open. You know, I started being an early Morning drinker and all kinds of things. So my work ethic was always there. But being that addictive nature and being immature, being silly, sitting outside doing all the things that guys probably out there do. I was doing it. Sitting out there on the veranda all night long, you know, smoking, drinking. The kids are in their rooms, the wife's in the other room. Absolutely no engagement whatsoever. None. Always looking for the next drink. Couldn't take the kids anywhere on a Saturday, Sunday afternoon, because I'm too worried about getting home to get on a drink. And so that, That's. There is no. There's no such. There's no such thing as a. And I think I said it to you when, when we had our conversation. You know, I'm a functioning alcoholic. There's no such thing. I wasn't functioning at all. Work was the only thing. I was doing the, the rest of it at home and, and my leadership and what I was supposed to be was completely gone. Completely gone. And I had no way over. Years and years of looking in the mirror and telling myself so many times, you gotta do something to the point where I just gave up. I gave up worrying about it. And then I. Even my addiction, my smoking, my drinking, everything else I was doing, I just quit. I quit trying to quit, you know, and just wait, this is who I am. Deal with it. And it was actually telling people, no, no, this is who I am. I'm in control. This is how I'm going to be for the rest of my life. And I ran with that for years and then. And it just. The more I think about it now is I was so frustrated at everybody else in my family when I looked in the mirror so many times and I just. I'd just never seen. Just took me a real big boot in the ass from my family to. Yeah, I mean, I walked out the door and went down the road and you contemplate on what you're going to do and you've got to make the jump. I, you know, bless God that I seen you guys and signed up.

Appreciate the insights and the share, man. Like, it's a tough thing when we see men are tied. Tied their identity into. Yeah, their place of work. I'm providing for the family. But also like these, These big. What do you call those things that all the whales accumulate on their. On their bloody bellies. I'm sure it'll come to me, but it's like all the. We end up with all these. These big fucking growths on us that don't belong to us. Like alcohol and drugs and all these different addictions, right? It's like, so you're tying that into your identity. It's not exactly who you are, but it's how you describe yourself, you know, and functioning alcoholic and even that. Like. And man, I can't fucking stand shit like that because it's like, it's like a badge of honor. Look what I can do despite me being in such a deficit because I'm fucking chronically addicted to something I shouldn't be. It's like, mate, that's not functioning because what could you do? Who could you be? Where could you go if you didn't have such a poor vice that was attached to you and pulling you down? But you got emotional earlier there, man. I love that you wear your heart on your sleeve, Jason. You've. Wow, what a, what a turnaround you've had, which you'll share with, with everyone. But I'm curious on those emotions, man. Is it because you. You're reflecting going, me Al, he's a man who didn't know what he wanted, gave up and, and, and, and accepted the way things were. But now reflecting on how much I've created for myself, my family, I can see how much time was lost. Like, what's, what's the biggest reflection? You look back now, man, it's like fucking. And look credit to you because you're not there anymore. But most of those men probably had that in their 60s or deathbed and it's like, wow.

So, yeah, yeah, it's, you know. You know, my wife and my three beautiful teenage kids, they've seen a lot and. But then once I got, they seen a lot of, you know, all my, you know, silly behaviors and stuff. But once I really got into it and showed them that this. Oh, serious about doing this, I got down to a stage. I think it's. When we come down. I think when we moved down from out of Darwin down here to wa, I wasn't big on doing mornings and I brought, you know, getting up and doing morning routines, which was, which was something I just struggled with. And then I brought my daughter down with me on our own and I, you know, I really did think, like, if there's an eruption here, you know, you're gonna have to jump back on the plane, go back to your mum. But when I got down here, I. Then I think it was just before you guys come over to wa, actually, I was out there doing my early morning routines, which I never really did. I was doing my journaling, I was eating healthy My daughter and I were getting on really well. You know, I started this job down here and it just hit me. I just went, man, this is where I'm supposed to be. I'm doing this. I am actually becoming the person that I said I'm going to be. And I got this massive buzz and then it was only like maybe a day or two that I went, I'm 46. I'm coming to 46. And then it just hit me, like I just went, oh, my goodness, I have wasted so much of my life. And I went on this massive holiday, this massive low, real quick. And it's actually really good that you guys were coming over to wa. But that regret of that so far back, you know, gets me emotional because I do still think, oh, man, you know, I love who I am now and what I'm doing. Imagine what I could have done back then. You know, imagine what I could have done. And I just. Now, I mean, I've moved past that now. It is what it is. But if you, if you look at guys who, who are in the same boat as me, if you, you, you need to look forward because if you're. And hurry up, because if you look back, it's gonna. You're gonna waste so much time, man. I mean, it's, it's. That's probably one of the main things with HBF that I really now Looking forward, looking forward when I look back. I mean, imagine. Imagine being. Imagine being what I am now went back and what I could have done with my family. Wow. So you do get very emotional. I do. Anyway, when I think about it, it's crazy, man.

We. We have this. It's delusional. We think life is long because we. We see these old people bent over with. With these humpbacks or even walk, or they're just. Their skin's wrinkled and they're. But it's like, mate, that's. That's the future you. You're looking at, you know, provided you don't do anything. I mean, you want to be in better health and the majority of old people as they age, so you can have some quality whilst. Whilst you age in those last sort of 20 years. But man, it's so short. It's so short, Jace. Like it's made and. And I didn't have. I mean, I don't. Well, not. I don't know what. I'm in life crisis, but I understand why they exist. But that's something that is, you know, I don't feel tied to at all. But there Was this reflection when I turned 40 last year going, well, fuck, there's the first half. And then at the same time, just sitting. Typically when I'm doing nothing or at the beach or park, just when I'm having some alone time, reflecting at that exact time, everything just floods in. It's like I still remember seeing this skyscraper when I was in year one in primary school, looking out and, and, and then, like, all these little memories pop when I'm 17, when I'm, yeah, first grade footage, trial bang when I snapped my knee, you know, I was 21. And I remember sitting there and everyone's just patting you, going, you'll be right. And then I'm in that room on my own, under these lights, with a up name. All these things just flush. It was like a flash of my life, man. I was like, wow. Yet here we are.

Yeah. Yeah. And look, don't get me wrong, I, I, I've had some great laughs, you know, and with mates and stuff like that, but if you do look back and you're allowed to. I'm not. Yeah, I'm mentally strong enough now that I can look back and go, okay. But, yeah, there's laughter there. You know, before, had my, you know, before I met Noah, my kid and had the kids, there's laughter there and there's ups and downs, which is supposed to be part of life, but, you know, you now, now that I've moved on to that and, and looking forward to the future, I mean, the, the, the way that, that I've changed, you know, it's the, the past is, is, is, it's, it's done for me. And I, I, like you said, fortune, I feel fantastic. And part of quasi was letting go a lot of that regret and, and it's calmed me down to actually let go of it. That's what my thing at COSI was, to let go of regrets. So, and moving forward now in the future and, and I, I think, you know, my kids are going to see it. They're going to see the dad moments now. And I'll make memories. We'll be making memories.

So. Yes. Oh, look in here. And I'll make completely with you on this too. Like, guys, it's not. There are plenty of great moments in my life too, mixed in with some of the turmoil and trauma that I've gone through. But it's like, it's not that, that we're harping on about where, oh, unless you, you know, unless you reflect, you, you've, you've lost so much. It's like, no, no, it's like there's nothing wrong with wanting all of it. Like, you can have the laughs and the good times and the joke, but you can have fucking all of it and keep building your life. Like, whereas a lot of men that hold onto those little things, but it's just layered in with so many missed opportunities that you just don't get back. Like, there'll always be opportunities in life whilst you're alive, but they'll never be the same ones. No way. It doesn't make sense. But so that, that's another thing that's important for you guys listening. It's like, okay, well, you got time. Like you at 46, crushing, mate. Unbelievable health and phenomenal shape. It's just incredible. But, but walk me through that pro. I guess this process of it really has been an evolution for you. Jason, mate, just so, so proud of you, man, and your achievements for you, your family, your family sticking by you, you being a solid unit. And like me and my family, mate, we always have work. But it's, it's incredible to see, mate, and see it all unfold. But what you said the family gave you, it wasn't until they gave you a right royal kick up the art. Like what, what was that turning point for you, mate? I guess pre hpf, like what. What was said, what was felt. Where. Where were you at with everything? Because we still had a quite interesting. Yeah, I wasn't sure if you committed, but obviously you are and here we are, but in another season now. And when did you officially join, actually? What was the official day?

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yep, yep. So look, I, prior to hbf, living in Darwin, my wife and the kids went down another path. She's seen it. She's seen that we didn't have the really good structure in the family values and she's seen it and she changed and they all went down a different path to what I wanted to. Again, being selfish and only thinking about me. And she changed exactly the way that we should be raising the kids, not sitting at the back, not being, you know, not engaged and all that. Now for me, that addiction just, just held all that back. You know, even moving to wa. You know, if I was still drinking, I probably would have said no. Again, that's about me because it's what was all about me. But you know, I've always worked hard and I've always believed that as long as I do that everyone should leave me alone and, and all that kind of thing. But watching my kids and, and my Wife change their, their lives. You would have thought that it would make me want to change mine and go with them, but I was too deep into, into my own, into my own ego, you know. And so coming up to hb, it's coming. Before I come into hbf, it was getting hot. Everything was getting heated. I was just getting more angry and angry. If you told me that, you know, we don't want you drinking, you don't bring any drinks with you or, you know, we're going here. I just get cranker and crankier with the family and frustrated and I just, you know, the more, the more people told me what I shouldn't be doing. For some reason I just, I amped it up, you know, I just, I would sit out there all night long. I wouldn't come to bed. No, my wife's looking at, they're saying, come on. Like they were pleading with me to come on this journey with them. And I was just flat out, no. But when I. So it erupted on Father's Day, we were, I'll be very open about this. On Father's Day, we were making pizzas at the back. I started drinking around 9 o' clock in the morning in the hot sun, in Darwin, in the heat. And by 7, 8 o', clock, it erupted and I erupted to my eldest daughter. And I drove out and drove out after being drinking all day and drove out on the road and took off. And I come home a week later, only after I'd spoken to HBF and really had to ask my family to let me back in the door. Not with their arms open. I didn't mind if they had crossed arms, but let me back in the door to for the last time. That was my last chance to show you that, look, I've had a big kick in the ass and I want to do something about it. And I got some really, really, you know, hard truths for that first three months in hbf, you know, off the family, and rightly so. Now I, I took it on pretty, pretty fast with hbf. When I signed up, I got, I got Eric. And the first week he's like, let's, let's, let's attack the alcohol. Then we'll worry about the smoking afternoon. Like, nah, man, we need to do this now. I need to start kicking ass right now, otherwise this is not, it's not going to work. And I actually said him, you know, I can't even hope this works. It has to work. It has to work. And, you know, the first week I was all over the Shop second week trying to get rid of that addiction. And then, you know, the 21 days, got into it a bit more, started listening. And then, yeah, with. With Eric, who's dominating.

He.

He really shrugged me along. And the first three months, man, I. I went hard to get rid of the addiction and to really show the family that this isn't just some. One weak thing. I'm in. I'm. I'm in this. I've got to do something, otherwise I will lose everything. That's part of. Part of just the start of the journey, mate. Like, and then from then on, it just goes on and on. Like so many. So many firsts in my life. So many firsts. And I know and was good because I was doing my. My, my 21 days at the start and all these. All these different programs in front of my family. So accountability was right in my face. And I actually didn't think I was going to be accountable at all at first with hbf only because I was. I thought. I felt it was on my own. And it's, you know, it's a platform thing. How am I going to do this? And within the first month, I knew that one. I'm accountable in front of my family because I'm right there. Eric's pretty. Pretty cool. I mean, he keeps you on your toes. And yeah, away I went from there, so. And kept moving. And then from then on, like, yeah, there's. There's so many things that I've done.

Do you want to walk us through some of those, mate? What are some of those first big takeaways, some changes the results.

Sure. Like, okay, so you like, you know, just being able to get up in the morning and change your whole routine from. It's just not a coffee to a smoke. It's water. It's up earlier doing. Doing some journaling. Never done journaling. There's a first, you know, doing a workout, going for a walk, especially in Darwin, and then gradually getting the running. And then, you know, my family for the first probably three to four months, we're still a bit, you know, looking at it, but there's this little goals there. Doing the 10 minutes with each. With each kid. I tried that and stuck with that for a while. And that built in wins. And then it progressively got right up to. I think we did a winter challenge one before Christmas. That's probably one of the ones that changed my life. Before Christmas, it kept. I've never had a Christmas where I haven't been drinking. And that. That whole program structure challenge right through up to Christmas really kicked me right over the, right over into the new year and it showed that yes, you really can, you really can have goals and far them straight into the next year. And, and I actually sat there in the pool with my wife on Christmas day just chatting, just chatting. And she said this is beautiful. And so the structure that I got out of just the first six months is what got me some wins. And then I started looking at it more of okay, who do I really want to be? I want to be a gentleman. And now I stuck with that theme and I've been using it now for quite a while. And that gentleman, I said I really want to try and become a gentleman. And I've done little goals in between, between sort of now and back then to achieve it. And the kids are watching it, which is what I've always, I've always wanted to show them now that what I can to become a gentleman. But I think, you know, the amount of different things that HBO like going to the brizzy catch up man, been able to do that, I know a little bit off path there but you know, I've saved my money. I sold things, everything to get there. I think my wife actually said if you want to go there, you figure out how you're going to get there. She did. And so I sold everything. I saw my smoker, things that I've really, you know, I loved them but I got rid of them to get there. I went down there with Luke o'. Brien, what a legend. And that's just another, that was another goal for me to go down there, see that it's real, see other guys who are in the same boat or have different stories, hear their different stories and be able to come back up to the family and say I'm not the only one. And with such energy when I come back from Brisbane. That's for sure. Yes, that's probably the biggest takeaway I got from HBF doing all those catch ups down in Brisbane, only coming back up. Phenomenal.

It was a powerful event there at Brisbane. I think we had close to 120 or 130 men, but it was a, yeah, the, the, the, the commitment man, like that's, that's what impresses me the most. And it's not about your commitment to hpf, Jason. For all of you boys listening, it's not, it's not about that. It's about your commitment to yourselves, man, and who you can become and, and using HPF as the vehicle or the conduit to Then create that channel, create that, that pathway or that, that pipeline that gets the result. You know, like it's. Yes, the gift is the process and all that sort of stuff. And I get that it's what you have in the now. It's the only thing you can control. It's your only power, the only point that exists in the now. Blah, blah. But high performance culture is a winning culture, mate. You want to be a high performing man, a high performing father. You're a father who goes out, you win, you beat these addictions. It's not the great things you do, it's also the things you should no longer do that you cut away and don't do anymore. And it's just not that complex. But we make it complex and we create the stories and we make it difficult. What'd you say before you said I quit trying to quit.

It's like, yeah, it's that funny.

We become our own. Not hypocrites, but our own way we do ourselves in. It's like, I'll give up the things that'll help me in life, but I give up the things that won't. But it's like, so I can't quit. Well, of course you can because you can quit. You've quit quitting.

Then you go, well I've got a bit of a different addiction now, but it's a healthy addiction, you know. And then I still gotta be. You still gotta be careful of that too. Because the idea of it, yes, we wanna be. I've gotta become, I've gotta become 100% and yeah, I had to be selfish in amongst that. I had to be selfish to myself to get myself better. Had to be. So then I can be the person that I'm supposed to become for my family. So a lot of. Still a lot of selfishness there for a little bit number to get myself to be number one prize and to become a hundred. So you know that. So that healthy addiction moved on. And then I gotta be careful that that addiction doesn't also take the real reason why I want to be a good father. So you know, and that's why that first six months to a year I pushed hard, very hard to get. To get the control, get the control back of myself first. And now it's time to put in the gentleman aspects into this year and into the going future, you know.

Yes. It's always interesting too. It's not that we. Whether you're in the pit, out of the pit, stagnant, dying, going, well, we want to go amazing it doesn't matter. It is a similar process, Chase, like what you mentioned with the guys, where it's like, let's just remove some of the fog and chaos and just get some laser focus on core things we can execute successfully. Could be a month, it could be six months. To put me in a position where I've got great track record on developing or building these runs on the board, which is then restoring faith and integrity and trust in those around me as well, where I may have burnt or felt burdened by or not performed for. And then it's like, yeah, okay, who do I want to be? Like, mate, we all. That's what I love about this, Jay. It's like. It's actually like a universal process, myself included. So I love that because that's. It's this beautiful game. It's like this game never ends. It's not that you're never enough. It's you are enough to become more. And what can I do? And I'm telling you, man, once you come to peace with that, it gives you your power back to know that there's nothing wrong with continuing to grow and wanting more.

Absolutely. Yep. There's nothing wrong with saying, I've still got more to go. I say it all the time. I have not stopped the battle. The battle will never end for me. And I like it. I like that. I want that battle. I want to be that gentleman. Even now, I still, oh, I'm supposed to open the door for my wife at the car. I still forget to do that. But I will get that. I will get there. And my whole reasoning for this is by watching a man who. I inspired my grandfather. This is all about watching him, what he used to do. Married for 60 years, still opening the door and holding hands with his wife. You know that you go down to their house and you just look in the window and they're dead. Dancing in the lounge room, music, like, it's just beautiful. And we're losing. I think we're losing that manly respect a bit. Now that I've been with H. I see it when losing that, you know, you know the words that I'm trying to say. But a gentleman seems to be fading away.

Like chivalry, maybe.

Yeah, that's it, Alex. And you know, we, we. We go out for date nights now and we do. You can't help it. You sort of look at couples sitting across from seeing, like they're completely buried in their phones. They're not even talking. I think. I think, like, date night, just a simple thing. Has really worked wonders for Noah and I, for my wife and I, It's. It's been fantastic. I'm now doing it with my older daughter. We try and do it every Thursday, and it's just to simply just talk about the week it is and holding hands and just showing people that I respect my wife, she respects me, and building that respect back up.

Yes. And look, some men are pigs and some women are pigs, but ultimately, most people, mate, they really love that stuff, you know. But women, even then, Jay said, get sold this lie that a man being chivalrous, it's like, no, no, because that's you submitting to him. You don't need him. It's independence. It's like. It's a bit of a. It's a bit of a fucking war, man. Look, I've spoken about this on our podcast. It's like, okay, you know, it's not, you know, people who have different sexual agendas and whatnot. It is just in general with, you know, people that are heterosexual and. But what they're seeing in. In. In feeds and on Instagram, social media, on. On your. Your lady bosses on it. Like, yeah, if you want to be a woman, go and go make money, awesome, great. But don't. Don't attire an identity to that. That comes at the cost of allowing your man to lead or to, you know, have a real passion for you and, and being an amazing romantic for you. Don't shut that down. So it's a tough. But then you got men who get rejected and then they're busy working. And in today's world, I just got to provide. And you've got the technology. Technology then drives all these different environments. People then just pull away from eating dinner together at the dinner table. Like, what's, you know, like, I remember that, like, even growing up, mate, we. And the Internet came as I was growing up, so we had a bit of both worlds. But nah, man, we still had to eat dinner as a family. Everyone sit at the table. If we weren't sitting down at the table when mum and dad call us, like, the old boy used to get stuck into us, man. Like, yeah, like, proper, like, I don't know about the elbows on the table, but definitely no hats in at the dinner table. And just, just, just standards, man. Like, we're family. Sit together, ask some questions and connect.

Sure, sure. And. And we. That was probably what. What my wife picked up on when we were in Darwin, that we stopped doing that big time. We weren't sitting down at the table. Everyone was Scattered. We're all having dinner at different times. It's not right. You can't. How do you discuss seeing as a family when we're all scattered around and zoned out? And especially when the leader is at the back veranda completely zoned out, flipping for his phone on probably his 10th, 11th stubby on a Tuesday night. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. And it was never going to work. We, we actually, when you think, when I think about it now, we were going around saying our, our family life is fantastic. You know, we were, we were kidding ourselves. And, and it's. I blame myself now. I, my. I know my wife was on the right path, but now with HBF and the things that I've done, I mean, never in my mind. Well, I've never thought that in this 16 months I've been with HBF, so many things that, that are new to me in our family. First time I go on a date night with actually me driving. Just simple things. Simple things. Like, you know, that's so simple. Taking my daughter to ballet down here, watching her get her first car yesterday. And how good's that? And now normally at 5:30, I would have been looking at the clock going, just sign the paperwork, get me back to the house, totally disengaged. So all these new things, you know, the fitness level, I mean, I've never, I'm running now. Who would have thought that's a new thing. So many new things that have. Helping out the family, you know, goals. Every. We've got a vision board that goes from 2026 now to 2027. And my wife and I did it together. They're goals that we, if we achieve them, it'll make our family into 27. Absolutely shine. It's just, yeah, it's, it's, it's amazing.

And to do a lot of those things, you would have had to just stop and take the time as well. You and you, you and yourself. Like you said, you had to invest in yourself. And that's. Yeah, that, that's where fellas, that's where most of you fall short. It's, it's not a New Year's resolution. And it's not just seeing how you go like you, you've got to build the fucking plan. You've got to align and then execute. So, right, so Krin and I, we're finalizing our family code, right? And look, we're sitting there and our family code is going to be a combination of a few things, right? Obviously, belief systems, perspectives on how to see things and you know, commitments. Right? So physical, physical commitments and as individually and as a family and we're sitting there and like the. Did it take us 10 years to come up with this? But at the same time, like we've got kids who are now 9, 6, 5, so they're a bit more coherent. But it's like if it doesn't mean we couldn't have done something early on and even speak about it. Like Roman wants to be big, strong like that in build muscles. Why? Oh man, because he saw me for a little bit at my home gym lifting weights. Just because he couldn't be involved doesn't mean that he wasn't taking it on board. So if we spoke about our values and our family code nine years ago when Stella was a baby, just because she couldn't participate doesn't mean she wasn't taken on board. But it's that reason, man. It was chaotic or stressful. That's what led to my marriage breaking down. Stella, our firstborn, building and getting HPF up from nothing, getting out of the gyms and businesses that I own. Like, so fellas, you got to take the time to stop and pull back and actually create a proper foundation of alignment first in yourself, second with your family. And then I know I talk about common problems with the world, but you know what? People still perform in a successful Jason's the, the epitome of the comeback king and everyone inside of hpf. So then my question to you is, why do you believe it's. It's not possible? Well, it is, mate. Like, despite how much the world is against us and chivalry and being a man and the family nucleus and leading men are still doing that and women still want it. So no matter how bad the big, the big global elite or whatever it is that drives this, this world of consumerism dividing the family nucleus, empowering women, women in a manipulative fashion. No matter how strong that is, we're still producing and successful and you can too. But you've got to take that time, slow down and, and realign with your family.

You do.

Yeah. What would be, you know, what, what's. I guess I love like feedback from neither kids, any, any one liners or any as personal as you want to be. But I guess any shares from the family or feedback on, on your journey so far, mate?

Yeah, from the family side of things, you know, like you, you. I don't, I don't want, I don't want to ask for it but you know, you, you, you're doing, I'm doing this so they see it and if they comment on it and what they're seeing, fantastic. So but I've got, yeah, look, I've got some there and, and you know, and last year, you know, my wife said, you know, you're completely different man to what when I first met you and I'm, and I sort of stood back on, had to listen that I get on you do mean in a good way. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So even the kids at the start of this before H was like why are you with him? Like why do you put up with this? And she's, because there's something in him. There is something there. I know he wants to be better. And you know, God bless her for opening her up her arms again and let me in. But yeah, the kids hold me accountable man. Like you know, like if I step out of line man, it's jokingly it's hbf, loser dad, hbf, lose a dad. So you know, they're holding me accountable and I don't, I don't, you know, I don't mind, there's, they're allowed to vent that on me. I don't mind at all. You know, so, and my daughter the other day, you know, for me anyway, I got tingles from it and I did just do a post about it, you know, that I am a karma, a more karma dad, more engaged. You know, she said you're not, you know, you're not silly anymore, you're mature. We're talking a 46 year old man from a 70 year old son. I'm mature but you know, my, my, my antics were always too silly and then I'd go over the top to the point where I'd get out of my face. So I, I, I get some really good comments and I get some home truth comments too. So, and I have no problem with that. So but my wife and I, I think at this stage where I met are getting on really well and we're talking, we are getting a little bit more banterish again and you know, and it's about me listening to, to her properly and the kids and you know, my daughter, my youngest daughter, you know, she, she's always asking me now to you know, go down and help with the horse. You know, my young fellow and I are doing cry. We do Monday nights and Tuesday nights together. There's a, we never, I would never have done that before hpf. You know, like I said with my eldest daughter, we try and do a Thursday night thing. So all these are things that I've. We're putting into place to keep that structure in the family and, and keep, keep me going and moving ahead and showing that this is, this is, this is the. This is me. This isn't something new. This is going to be me now from. For all time, right through. The battle never ends.

So. Yeah. Yes. How's your, how has you been your experience though? And it's. Oh man, it's awesome to have that feedback but also to have the family that knows what you're capable of which. And that's what I love too. Like once you, once you produce and maybe that's what fear of success is, I'm not quite sure. But once you produce, there's no excuses now, right? It's like, well, fuck mate, we know how you can. Yeah. You know the type of dad you can be, we know the type of husband you can be. So they hold you account, which is awesome. Good for them. We're all self centered at heart. But how can I be self centered in a way that enriches the lives of others? Well, that's why as a man who's more logically bound and older, we've got to see more and before our children and our wives. Although they will, like you said, give some hard truths when they, when they need. That's valuable. It's valuable stuff.

Yes, it is.

But what, what would you attribute. I guess not. Not the success, but like how. See here's the thing, guys. Like there's lots of. And that's awesome. The more the merrier. Like there's are you okay? Day and everything else in between. Right. There's coaching services, there's courses, there's programs. Like that's not, it's not what HPF is. They might be perfect for you though. If you're listening to this and you're not, you don't want the. Because it's tough, man. Comes with home truths, comes with the mirror. Like HPF isn't for the faint of hearted. We get plenty of pandas reach out but deep down they've got some Viking in them. Um, we get some guys who reach out are full blown fucking pandas. And it'll never work because they, they don't want ownership or make decisions. But you can be the chief which is that beautiful balance of both. Um, and we obviously get Vikings reach out which we realign to be softer, which he would absolutely would have been Viking. Right. So it's like how, how would you see HPF being different? Cause to me, like, Jace is high performance father. Like, it's. It's upholding a way of life. And then you've got this, this brotherhood. I mean, I used to use the word community, but it's like, man, it's crazy. Over 500 events last year in person, you know, and we want to crack a thousand this year. Like, it's, It's. I wouldn't even call. Like, it's not. It's not even an online community. It's definitely not a program or a course. But what's. What. What do you feel? What do you sense with hpf? And it's not a hpf, like the, the game plan. Simple, right? Give up the drink, get your dot. Like, it's not like we gave you some crazy stuff also. Yes, of course, you learned some pretty cool things. Relationship dynamics, value, how to. How to lead and sense situations. But yeah, man, I love your feedback on, like, what hpf, I guess, means to you and what it embodies that you see is so valuable for men in this world.

Well, there's so many. I mean, there's so many motivation and physical courses and things you can do. So many. But with hbf, I mean, the real reason that I looked at it at first, it was addiction, sure. But it's a. It's about a family and actually is about becoming. Staying as a father. So I only just sort of, you know, it's taken me time to sort of really delve into what this is all about. And if you really, truly believe that you're not being the best at home. This is where HBF is good. We can all go and do. Let's all run down the road course and do 30km. Everyone can have a crack at that. But it's the mental side of things and seeing the difference in your family. Because I found HBF has made me look at my family completely different to what I did before. I look at them now in a way that I look at them in a way that they definitely need me. They definitely need me. HBF would say, the family's there. They're waiting for you. They're waiting for me to come over there. That's what HBF has done for me. They've let me go into. I've probably got a bit of course here, Alex, but it's let me come back into being that father. And not many courses teach that on how to. I didn't know how to be a father. I didn't know now that I'm looking at all the different goals, a lot so many different goals. Which other courses and other things I don't think will teach you is the goals include your family, whether what situation you're in, it'll include your children, it'll include your wife, and it includes those around you. I think a lot of the personal development stuff out there is just really is a one on one and then you think you're on your own. But with hbf, there is a huge brotherhood out there. I mean, I've run into guys willy nilly on the street. I ran into one, you know, when I first moved to wa, come running up like, oh, who are you? Oh, you're a HBF member. Awesome. Scared the hell out of me. I'm like, where'd you come from, mate? But yeah, and the brotherhood. Yeah, yeah, the brotherhood. At first I thought this is going to be hard on my own. You can, you can put little goals in HBF and there's other guys that you will bounce off in there that will help you. That's what I loved about hbf. You don't have to just single yourself. I've got this one problem. You can listen to everyone. Everyone on there has a little bit of a different thing going on. We all bounce, each offer. You look at bikes like Hutto, Luke, Big Jimmy, you know, a lot of them squad leaders. They're squad leaders too, because I bounced off them because there was something they were telling me things back, give me a little bit of a pat on the back. Being humble, but getting a pat on the back. You know, so many guys in there that I can bounce off. And you don't get that. I don't get that anywhere else. I mean, out in the real world you won't get that. I looked at HBF and my wife actually said this. She said if you were standing on the beach and looking down on those HBF guys working out on the beach, you back in the day would have looked at them and said, what a bunch of fucking wimps.

Love that.

They, they need help. Look at them, they. And I would have, I would have, I would have looked at it completely the wrong way, man. And it's funny who the tough person really is. The tough people are the ones that acknowledge that they need a bit of help to become absolute weapons. That's, that's, that's what HBF is. And the guys in there, the cozy, the different stories, the great banter that goes on and then also the great conversations you have to help each other out. You don't get that anywhere else, Alex.

I just don't and the blend too, right. Like men can hide behind humor and be fucking jovial. Now for us, it's like, yeah, the bit of banter and just the camaraderie.

You just.

Just like. Cos he's a perfect example. You just. These are blokes. You're like, just. I know I can go to war and this guy's got my back. But also I just want to hang out with these guys because they're just. They're legit. They're genuine men. They're ambitious. They're not duds or. Or losers in the way that they think or. Or have a victim mentality or see the world. It's.

It's a conversation.

It's what I've been part of.

Yeah, it's a conversation that only promotes. It only promotes you. It makes you like. Every time I get off the phone to somebody or, you know, we look at our posts, we all have a post, we comment on each other. It gives you a good buzz, a good feeling of doing the right thing. Yeah, the Brisbane. The Brisbane catch up. Like when you guys left the motel that day, I remember it just sitting around with Luko, Brian, Big Jimmy. And we just sat there yakking and it was just the most pleasant, pleasant conversations you'll ever have. Whereas out in the real world around, sitting at a bar, what is it? It's crap

and surface level shit at the best of times, you know. But I like the way you put it. I mean, obviously we talk about family, self and service, but it's so true, man. Like it is, it is actually including. Including the family. So someone could say, oh yeah, no, we do that. Well, why? Because you're business coaching and you make more money for them. Or you're. You're a marriage counselor or a relationships course. Or it's like, yeah, but mate, like is that. Is that all it is? Is it? You know, it's not a playbook and how to pick up chicks. You just talk this way to your wife and everything will be okay. It's like there's. There's more reasons why you have let your wife and your children down. And they may not even involve them. We talk about this a lot on the inside. Building peripheral value. You as a man. You and your health and fitness. You and your habits and your routines. It's. It's family, self and service. It's you as a man, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. But it is like for us, we. We see HPF as again, not even a course or a program or a Brotherhood. It's the brotherhood that follows through and makes it real. It's creating success in life with your family. That. That's what it is, you know, like our vision, man. Like, it's a world rebuilt on the strength of fathers where love, leadership, and legacy flow throughout every family. That's not some fucking thing that we just sat down on day one and created. We fucking. We earned that. And that was not the vision. When I started RDM back in 2018, it was fucking different, mate. We've evolved, but helping thousands of men now, like, our mission is that it's forging men into the leaders who actually restore the value of family. Like the. So. So, like, fellas, the reason why there's struggles with the family whatnot is you as a leader have not restored the value of it or shown how valuable it is in the modern world. In the old days, it was easy. Right? Right. Because it's. The mother and the father were. Of course, everyone had problems, but they were aligned, whether it was the agricultural. Agricultural period or, you know, the industrial revolution. And then. And then everyone's working. In the 70s and 80s, women start to work, but probably before then, but you know what I mean? Like, it's not through the evolutions. It's. It's through now the exposure with the modern world, technology and whatnot. Even the family doesn't value fucking family anymore. So for us, our mission's like, hey, man, like, we got to give you. We got to give you guys the fucking tools in the modern world to restore the value of family. Lead with love and purpose. Like, sometimes it's out of love, but it's fucking purpose. So purpose. Bit of tough love sometimes. And. And through that, you'll build legacies and build legacies that echo through generations. And, like, that's our. That's our. That's our mission. But. So I love. I love how you put it. Yeah.

Would you say. Yeah, well, would you say that I do that? H. I mean, as men. As men, some of us, anyway, we. We. We're all. We're all. We all do it. We. We buy a brand new. I've said this before. We buy a brand new. You know, we go down to Bunnings, we buy whatever table, whatever, and we've got to put it together. We pull it all out. The instructions are just thrown on the ground. We have a crack at it ourselves because we're the big, strong men, and we don't put it together properly. We don't put it together properly. We don't build it right. And you know, this is another thing. This is where I. I get so excited because I think of this now. I was one of them. HBF for me is the tools and is the instructions to build myself properly. And I'm not building. I've built myself. Yep. I'm 100% on the way. But now I'm building myself for my family and for the future on. And now you've got to read the instructions properly, man. Because if you, if you. There is no. You have. No, I have. There's no shame out there to say I need to read this, I need to do something or I've got to better myself, I need a bit of help. There's no shame in that. But read it properly because in the end you have to do it yourself. You guys hand us the tools. We've got to act on it and if we don't act on it, this is a big investment. It's a big investment for a long time.

Yes. Just so you guys know, like, we've done the hard work. The instructions are written in English, not Chinese. So that's handy.

That's right. Yep.

Yes. Love it. That's a great way to put it though, man. Now you're gonna. So you'll be on a session with a few of the boys, talking a bit more on community and whatnot and cozy. But would love to get like. Yeah. Causes. Cozy's great. But you know, we. We've got plans to do lots of different places as well. Right. Like I see it as. You got the mountain. Right. But then there's the symbolic mountain. But then there's. Oh, man, I want to do something like Uluru, the heart and soul of the country. I think it'd be phenomenal. So it's not Fredbo, it's. It's the men and the brotherhood and what. What we experience over 100 men together. But do you want to walk us through, you know, how you found it and give us a. I guess from that, like, how was the experience for you and. And what are some of your biggest lessons and takeaways to Jason since being in hpf? Some of those real big reflections and aha. Moments that you've had as well. Sure, sure.

Cosie was. Was a bit speechless really because the build up to it, you know, when I signed up the. I missed the first one, which is probably good because it got me to be the better person before I got to who I wanted to be when I got down there and I think was a bit more of a reward. But it's a it's a totally different experience. I know the catch ups but for me, cozy the guy being able to actually even, even just getting out of your comfort zone, staying with somebody else. You know, the guy that I stayed with in my room, his name was Jason. I mean, what a humble guy. Meeting him and it's funny how the different conversations, how everyone's a little bit sheepish at first and, and then you know, you get into a conversation the next guy and we all start talking and then eventually you just got this raw, you know, and little standouts like different, different things that I heard down there. You're like, like are you okay? Day. You know, Eric said it, it's one day and I sat in that, in one of those, in one of them rooms and heard that and just went, yeah, yeah it is, it's one day. And you know, how many members have we got?

We need more.

I was sitting there going, we need more. You know, going to cosi. For me, I think I'd actually had my, my high as in this is how I want to live. Fantastic. But then going down there, I did, I did my own personal training on what I wanted to accomplish down there. And then meeting all the guys that I'd been bouncing off. Like, man, I, I, I, I gotta attack my chest. My heart was just thumping when I got down there and to, to be able to meet all these guys in person and there's so many guys, I can't remember everyone's names, man, but I had, I probably chewed everybody's ear off. They're probably sick of me, but I was just like jumping around a bit like Jimmy but phenomenal experience. Probably exactly what I wanted in expectations when I got down there. I know we weren't supposed to, but I just, I couldn't help myself. Yeah, even, even when we went to the, to do the knife sharpening, then the deers and then the arrow shooting the bows and arrows, the targets. It's funny how guys were, were quiet and then you get to the target stuff and the band started, you know, started happening and everyone's laughing and everyone's into everybody and how that dynamic changed everybody. And then like again on the bus on the way back, everyone's just like R.A. and you know, meeting so many different guys and just so many different, different conversations. It's hard to, it's hard to put a, put a real truth on it. Like, it's hard to really explain it, but it really is I, I, I with Eric, Eric knows this, that it was one of my Major goals to get down there. And I saved my butt off to get down there. And again, God bless my wife helping me out to get down there and the kids, too. But, yeah, if I. I would hope to go down there again next year where wherever we end up and then climbing to the top. Like I spoke before, we all had something that we can let go of up there. And mine was the 30 years of regret of what I have not achieved or what I missed and what I missed over those 30 years, I let that go. And I think that's one of the main reasons why I'm so calmer now and only looking forward to the future. And the future for me now with hbf, you know, that becoming that gentleman for me is a big thing. My goals are still my fitness and a step out of my comfort zone this year. Alex. So do a sport challenge or something. Something. I've got a mate over here, you know, something that's 50% achievable, but 50% may not achieve something really big. And I'm hoping to maybe start that on the 1st of February. And for anyone else out there who's, who's thinking about joining hbf, if you're like me and you're standing in the mirror and you get it, you're staring at that mirror and you're going, I need to do something, you know, and you're doing it every day, you're saying to yourself, you have to do something, or you're driving home and you're going, no, I'm not going to grab that, or I'm not going to have that beer this afternoon. You still do it. And you guys out there who, you know want to, and it affects your family, man, you don't realize. It really does. But if you really want to change and you're deep down in your heart, you know you have to change, this is the place to come to for yourself and your family. Not just for you, it's for you plus your family. And I truly believe that. If I hadn't signed this up, I don't know where I would be right now if I hadn't signed up. And that's why I'm doing a second year, because I haven't finished it. Becoming the man I want to be.

Absolutely, yes.

There's so many people. Sorry, there's so many. I reckon there'd be so many guys out there, the same boat as me. They have to be, you know, where you, you know, you're just. You're driving home and you keep saying yourself, no, I'm not going to do this. No. I'm going to walk in the door and do something different. But you just can't do it. Now, this is an investment on yourself and I can guarantee it works because even on my fitness level, my goals I want to do for this year. I dropped, man, I dropped 20 kilos, like, and I'm running and I'm doing things. My family is joining United. They're seeing it. So it does work.

Yeah. That's crazy. How do you put a price in that? Like, your children are going for a run with you now. Like, that reality literally did not exist, was not possible, you know? And that's the. Like, you're. You're investing into your family's future and of course, thousands of dollars, man. But like, thousands of dollars what a few fucking hours that you earn? Like, it's okay. You can always. Like, there's money everywhere in the world. It fucking kills me up. People make it greater than. But you know what? We all, you know, money problems never fucking end. It doesn't matter where you're at and how successful you are. It's just how you allocating what matters most inside of your life. And that'. Reach out. Don't reach out. Do it. Don't do it. But. But the thing is, like, stop and take the time to make some serious considerations on where your life's at. That's the biggest thing I think. Jace, like, I appreciate you. Your testimonial, so to speak, on. On sharing this and that. There's so many men and there are. And I get it, guys, like, we all take risks. That's part of being a man. But, like, is. Is the family really something you want to gamble? Like, I just can't. And even if you never get divorced and your kids still respect you out of fear or whatever the fuck it is that you have over them, like, mate, is that. Is that the way to set the standard for your grandchildren? Do you want your son to go through the same pain you've gone through me, mate? Like, and it's not to guilt true people. I would just feel it'd eat me up, man. Like, it wait. It was like, my daughter. My daughter now, mate. My daughter now. Like, we went through a rough patch and even now, because I'm in tune with all of this stuff, but even now, she has more attachment and anxiety than every other child. Like Lillian. Yeah. She came in in 2019 and Krin and I were repaired stronger than ever. Roman came roaring in in 2020 and we spent even more Time together because of the storm. But Stella still there, mate. She was one year old. One year old. And I had a. Like, it took a couple of years to heal with the wife, but like, that traumatic patch was four months. Yeah, you know, I'm out, I'm living in the gym. My wife is stressed to the eyeballs, so she's not. The breast milk dries up like all these. All this that just. Stella is a one year old because what was she born August 2016 and it was September 2017 when she did. Yeah, she was barely just turned one. It's like imagine, imagine like if you never fix your. Because even the stuff you spoke about, Jace, you've turned this around so you're rewiring different experiences for your children. And so that's the thing. Like we can all say, oh, I fucked up for 8 years, 10 years, 12 years. It's like, it's not that that matters, fellas, it's will you keep fucking dropping the ball? Is it a risk you're willing to take? Is it a gamble? Like, do you really have to wait? Do you really have to fucking wait? Like so many men? Which kills me, mate, not because of you, but because of the children. That's what drives me. Yes. You really have to wait for the pain of remaining Remaining the same Outweighing the pain of change. Do you really have to wait Because. Let me lean in on a secret. There's fucking pain everywhere. There's growing pains, there's stagnant pains. There's dying pains I fucking love, mate. I'll take growing pains 10 out of 10, Jace, compared to the other two, mate. I'll tell you that.

Yeah, I don't want. I don't. I. I had my. Yeah, I had my kids at this, before this, before I started hfc, you know, I was scaring them. I scared my children, man. They were scared of me.

Fuck.

Did I need to change that? I needed to. Oh, man. You know, like we say it in href all the time. When I go to die, I hope they go, man, he. He become the gentleman he said he was going to be, man. I need to. Hopefully we all aspire to dad and what he's done for us and that now, even saying that to you right now, he's going to have to hold me accountable. How good's that? Yes, how good is that? You know, how good is it to change your mindset, to think like that, to. I'm probably going to drink myself to death and I couldn't really care for anything. Goes on but it's phenomenal. I will put. I really, really love the change that I. And what I've become. I'm enjoying what I'm becoming and I'm still got more to go. How good's that?

That's. Mate. It is the number. Like men, it's the number one thing. I know a lot of us put our, you know, put a lot of our eggs into one hat or the hat of service, right? Or business or work. And that's so that. That then ties our identity, which means it's value. So for a lot of men, it's like the goal's more money, naturally, right? Because that's where you're valuable. That's where you're putting your efforts and so on and so forth. The difference between how much money can I make and how good can I become as a human being in this life. Holy, mate. Like, it's. You can't even compare. Like it's like it's like two different species, mate. Like it's not even in the same channel, not even the same lane. And that's. That's the most valuable thing. And I use money because, again, that's a common thread that men tie into. Because we work so hard in service, we spend most of our life there. So it's a natural thing we can get accustomed to pretty quickly. On being a measure of value. No, it's your whole life. And also the value. Money comes through who you become anyway you value to the marketplace. We're all equal as souls, but not. Not in the marketplace. So that's the funniest part. Through you becoming as great as you can as a husband, father, man and leader in society, the money comes any. Anyway, so like I said, a lot of the times, these men in life, we. We. We think our value and our worth is something that's just so off. Off fucking track. And. And then we deny ourselves of what's possible. And then we get in these echo chambers with others or ourselves and. And it pulls us away. Which is why, Jase, it is hard to explain something like that. Cozy. Or like the retreats and events that we do. It's hard to explain the depth. Because it is man, isn't it? Because, like you.

Because. Because.

Look, guys, I've seen lots of different events for men. Whether it's more primal stuff around fires or whether it's other things or business getaways or urban retreats. And mate, it's great. That's awesome. I'm glad they exist. And. And good on them. Good for them. But the hard part, with a lot of those different things that happen, whether it's just men or, or people from all walks of life or it's a weekend or is there is no foundation, it's a bit of cream on top of no foundation. That's typically laid with great points of emotional vulnerability, sure, but emotional vulnerability to then have an experience that you then drive forward with emotional power and buy in with a little bit of strategy on goal setting to go forth from one weekend. It's just not fucking enough, mate. Because you come into something like the retreats with, with Cozy or Brisbane or all the other events we've done Perth, you're coming in with a foundation and an ecosystem on a game plan of where you actually want to go in your life with you and all of your family and family self and service, why that actually matters, what your roadblocks are, what's holding your back, the tools that you need, the people that will keep you accountable, they're all from the same walk of life. You know, it's not, it's not children or women or grandparents keeping accountable. It's other fucking hungry, hard, wanting to go fucking win men. And then you've got that layered again and again, again, again, day to day to day to day, week to week to week to week. Where you've got guys who've been with us for two and a half thousand days now and then you're adding the cream on top of 500 events last year and then on top of that you've got the immersion of a three, four, five day experience like that.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, that's why, that's why it's different guys. Not arrogance like that's, that's the formula, man. But that's a lot of hard work to get there. Most businesses won't do that.

Yeah, yeah. And those catch ups like the brizzy, the wa, you know, like they give you a buzz, they give you another boot, another reset. Every bloke in here will tell you that. And you do go on a high. So you gotta be careful when you come back that you level out and you're still focused. But what I truly love is the motivation that HBF gives me. You know, some people say, oh, you probably should slow down and maybe. But I love the motivation and I love to just keep moving with this because I don't want to take my, you know, I don't want to take my foot off the gas. I want to keep moving. And if you go to these cozies and these sort of different catch ups you do, you do get a little bit more of a bang, a zap and away you go again. Especially when I speak to like, like when I speak to Eric. Man, what a legend. When we have our meetings, I get, oh, I've got tingles all over me. Like, right, I'm ready to go again. He has the words to push me along and dominate me.

The big German Paleo is.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. To that guy. I mean Alex. Yeah. Again, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be where I am today as well. And my family and you.

Oh, mate, Eric's done a phenomenal job. The coaching team, I just, and I love the structure too, how we have the squads and we, you know, so we've got our, the little brotherhoods and connections and then the bigger. It's, it's, it's awesome. But yeah, you know, it's, it's. I think, I think and, and I'm not against like, you know that word motivation, you know, I think it's, I think it's got, I think it's got life to it. I don't think we should be considered as like me being a motivational speaker per se, which obviously I wouldn't be with the podcast, given real hard truths

at times, I think.

But ultimately it's, it's. Yeah, that's right. But, but what I love is we get to the depth of the purpose and what drives you or what could drive you, what needs to drive you as well. It's not just what drives you. What if you, what if you don't have anything that drives you? We got to create something then, don't you? So that's what I love a lot as well. Like that's what I think really ignites the motivation to continue to push, to go above and beyond, to hold a high level of energy. When people tell you to slow down, well, don't compare your sprint with my walk, you know, but yeah, man, it's that drive and purpose that we really drill into purpose is huge.

I never had any purpose until I started with hf. There's purpose and motivation and ambition. Love it.

Amen, brother. How good. I, I want an episode. Really appreciate giving the time, you know, just sharing your thoughts, telling men to join hpf. Those carrier pigeons, mate, they've got a little bag of gold coins around their neck. They should be hitting WA in a couple of days. So I sent them off three days ago. I think it's six day flight, but thank you for them. Look, you know what I do love, actually it was an interesting thing just on that. So I should get him on. Actually I should get him on for an episode. So Mark from Neon, who helps us with our advertising, marketing, that sort of stuff. And Mark's a father and a great man and we invited him to Cozy and, and he was blown away because he could hear everyone at the tables. He's like, what? He's like, I've never seen this in my life of being in, you know, advertising, marketing, customer facing all different service type businesses that I've worked with over, over decades. He's like, I'm blown away here, man. I've never seen a situation before where the clients, the clients of, you know, members, but call them members, but the clients of High Performance Father are conversing and talking and brainstorming on ways that they could grow this mission, this movement and essentially get more business for hpf. But really beyond that, like, how do we make this global? How do we do this? How do we do it? And he's like, that's what they're talking about. Like, we're down at Cozy and the members. Jay, so I appreciate you advocating in this podcast, man. And, and when Mark was sharing that with me and I had a few chats with the guys down there as well when we're away for Cozy four. And yeah, man, it's like that. It, it's pretty special. Pretty special when you've got guys who go and hey, this mission, this movement is fucking bigger than all of us. It's bigger than the fucking digits of an abn. It's like, how do we actually make this something that really does outlast and outlive us and, and you're one of those mates. So huge love and respect for you, Jason. I really appreciate you, your commitment to this mission, which inherently is creating a greater life for yourself and your family because you are the mission and so are all the men listening to this. Whether you've taken that step yet or not or never will, it's us, it's now, it's the time the world is ready for fathers to step up and step in again. We've gone a bit fucking cuckoo for a few decades and it looks like it's coming back a little bit, but let's make sure we engineer that and really lead it firsthand through our actions, not through sitting back waiting.

Yeah, win the battle, man.

That's what we got to do, 100%. Any final thoughts, mate? Really appreciate you being on and spending the time, mate.

I, yeah, like all the Guys out there who are, who are members, you know, just keep kicking it, guys. There's this, you know, get goals that, that are achievable. So you, you know, you're, you're moving along and you're getting them little wins, guys. You know, for me, it's probably one of the best things. I never thought, I never thought that I'd live the lifestyle that I'm living now and what I want to achieve. So you got everybody out there can do it and I know you can. And like I said, yeah, like you just said, I really do believe that there is a battle out there for us to be, to become men, stay men. And it shows that we will respect ourselves, our family, and for those around us and show them that who we are and what we're all about.

You're a legend, mate. Couldn't agree more and appreciate you for spending the time and, and for crushing it and going first. What was our hashtag at the moment? Fail as you go. You just keep going, man. No matter the. All these little set, but doesn't matter, you just keep going. You'll do it anyway. And I love that, mate. Inspirational, Jace. Thank you, man.

Thank you heaps, Alex.

Hope you enjoyed, guys. Hope you got plenty of value out of this. Like I always say, rip in, take something, anything, some golden nuggets. But most importantly, just remember there is no tomorrow, man. Like, do something now, do it today. Like pick something tonight. Just find a win somewhere that moves you in the right direction and then just try and do that lots of times and you will see the tides turn for you and. Or the momentum that you've built, maintained. I'll see you on the next one. Cheers, guys.

Well, that wraps up another episode. And just as we wind this down, I want you to just reflect and think back through some of the golden nuggets, some of the revelations, some of the sore points, some of the things that might have hit home with you.

And then just look at ways that

you can apply a different set of actions to change your position, change your circumstances, change your feelings, and change the facts. These episodes are done with your best interest at heart. And there's always something we can get from that. Maybe it's not the first time, maybe it's the second time. We've had members listen to episodes four or five times and then it finally clicks. But anyway, either way, I hope you

got a lot of value out of this.

And also if this is something that you really want to solidify inside of your life, repetition is the key. You've listened to it. Write down your revelations, think about them, read them, speak them, believe in the changes that you will carve out in the action plan of those revelations to create change in your life and then share that. And when you teach, you learn the second time, right? So teaching and showing this to others you love and care about is the greatest way that you can can remember and make sure you consistently learn and relearn what is it's true and what is it is important to you in your heart. Take care, have an amazing day night weekday weekend and I'll see you for another one soon.

Cheers.