63. Why He Shaved The Beard And Transformed

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What an amazing guest we have on today, Mr. Mick Cowman. Courtney, where did Cowman come from? The nickname or the tag?

Well, how you going fell? I. I cut my livestock. I've cut livestock for a lot of truck drivers. So I used to card cows and drove an M A N. Kenworth, like Kenworth, Mac, west and Star. This was an M A N and a mate of mine nicknamed me Cowman got carted cows and drove a man and it was just stuck. So all the shit I've been called over the years, that's probably the best one and one of the best ones and yeah, so now we have our own business carting livestock and that. So it just flowed on. It's good. Yeah, I like it.

Is this the real Cowman? I mean you look completely different to the man who joined RDM not that long ago.

I know it's been a pretty cool but pretty easy ride really. Like it's. Yeah, I joined up maybe two and a half months ago, three months ago, something like that. And I was 131.6 kilo when I started and being a truck driver and the bigger the truck you drive, the harder it is to feed yourself. Not shit, you know, like bigger area they got to park the truck, the more maccas and Kentucky and that crap there is. And it's expensive to be out there and. And I've done interstate for years and had local jobs and live in the truck and here and there and everything. And it's bloody hard, you know, like it's really hard. And it's not just the eating, it's the fitness and everything, you know. Like yeah, there's a few truck drivers in amongst us dads and we all do long hours and that but when you're sitting behind the wheel and you're out loading, unloading, you pull a 15, 18 hour day and you do that back to back to back. You don't want to fucking do anything but sleeping with the restrictions and the way we for the trucking, us both, but we get targeted pretty hard by the coppers and ridden pretty hard and you can't. Years ago in the day you could do big hours and still fuck around. And now we log books and stuff like that and still have a life outside the truck. But now you're so governed and so controlled and point to point cameras and satellite tracking and logbooks and all that shit. Yeah, when you're out of hours, you're out of hours, you've got to stop. You know. We're the only industry in the in the country that gets penalised for doing overtime, you know, like, it's great. Like, people say you choose your occupation, and I have, and I love it. And with our own business now, yeah, we're starting to build our own bit of an empire. So that's good. But it's a good job. But it's a shit job, you know? Like, you spend your whole day kissing ass to forklift drivers and sucking up people's asses to get your load on and your load off stuff. It's big, tough truckies there, whether the most relied upon and yet the most hated industry in the country, you know, like, it stinks. Which, in the States, the truck drivers have got a great deal of respect. And in Australia it's quite the opposite. And it's a shame. Like, we just. I'm just making a living, like you're making living. Like, everyone's making living, you know? And reality is, the country would be screwed. I wouldn't have this fucking cool shirt on and this cool hat on if it wasn't for trucks, you know, like, that's how it works.

Well, for those listening, he's got a hashtag, FYTDads shirts, which, Mick, you say really? Well, it's like a war cry. What an inspirational story, you know, and what you just shared then. Tough environment, mate, mentally to be part of and for you to reach out, which we'll dive into and ultimately create this journey. And this change is unbelievable. But, yeah, it's been an honor to be part of it, mate, and where you've come from. But I guess that's the point of this session, you know, that's what I love. We're talking about this before. It doesn't have to just come from me. I'm just like, I'm trying to be some sort of fucking polished man who just, you know, this is the only way. I love it when they hear it from you, man. I love it when they hear it from the other dads, from other people. And this isn't even a push or a sell either. It's just hearing that it's possible and change is possible and you have that power if you value yourself and create your own internal environment of a higher level that can handle the bullshit that the world throws at us, whether it is driving trucks or your career or family and friends. But let's start with that, mate. Like, why did you reach out to me? What was going on, Mick?

Well, to start as a podcasting. You didn't. This is not a hard sell. You asked me if I'd be interested in doing one. Absolutely. Like I need to tell people what a transformation we're making, what rdm, you know, like it would benefit everybody. So, you know, I'm really chuffed that you've asked me to do this Al. I really am. Like I just, I'm standing behind you a mean percent what you're doing and what you're creating here, it's. People need to get all over this. But I grew up lung south out the back of between Tirowood and Yarram. Means nothing to you? East coast is up there but way down here in Victoria. So my brother and a sister and yeah, I moved. We moved into trail when I was about 13 and then went to secondary school. I ducked year seven, ducked half a year eight. I had a phenomenal primary school teacher and I was well ahead of everybody. And then I got lazy and found girls and failed year nine. I went from the top of the class to the bottom of the class. I said to dad, I'm gonna quit school, get a job. He said, if you think you're good enough. I got a job at the shop assistant at Coles supermarket in Traralgan that went on to become a baker. So I'm a qualified baker by trade. And then the odd hours of baking, baking the shit ship. So we lived eight K's from town. So back then I was no. 16, 17. I bought myself a brand spanking new GT Triple Triangle mountain bike. Like it was 700 bucks or something back then when I was 15, 16. I'm 45 now, so that's a bike, you know, like and. And I used to ride 8Ks at midnight, one o' clock in the morning, down to the shopping centre to do me apprenticeship. So I quite like the bike. The bike riding is my thing. So I've been doing a fair bit of that in the last few months and I think I've done. Must be up around 300k's I've done on the bike now in the last two months. I suppose. 202. Yeah, about two months since I got my bike all going again. So that's pretty bloody good. So. But yeah, I was just look, yeah the truck driver and that, the weight gets onto you. So it's, you know, not every truck driver's fat but a fucking lot of us are, you know, and it's that. That depressing job, you know, like you're on your own a lot and I'm a pretty vocal out there sort of person and I like being by myself but not all the time. So, you know, thank God phone bills come down a bit because I spend a lot of time yapping with people on the phone because it's a. It's an outlet. So. But I just, Yeah, I hated who I was becoming with the weight because I had no energy to do anything. And that makes you depressed and angry and upset and all these things. And I was away from home. One of the recent jobs I had, I was away from home two weeks at a time. So I'd come home Friday night and go again the next Monday morning. Born for two weeks again, like, good job, paid good, but just never home. I had a grandson that didn't know who I was and. And stuff like that. And. And my wife, you know. You know, we met in 1995 and married in 98. So, yeah, we've been together a long time. I had a daughter born six months after Fiona and I met. Born to an ex girlfriend. So Fiona come become an instant, you know, partner and mum and all within six months flat, you know, like. And she just taken in her stride and we fought custody for my eldest daughter. So that was a hundred thousand we spent to sell our family home that Fiona and I bought to pay for that. So I had to get Fiona on board to do that because, you know, it's not her kid and it's her house and of course she was behind me. But everyone has their dramas and shit runs and that, but we'd had a bit of a shit run and, you know, then the daughter that we got Cassie for, she loves me one minute and hates me the next. And I've got three girls, so Ash is 25, Joanna's 19, and Molly's just on 17. So, you know, gorgeous blonde hair, blue eyes, just like their dad. So, you know, beauty runs from me straight through to my kids, I reckon. But, yeah, but we, yeah, like it. Yeah, it's hard. Like all this stuff's hard. And when you're fighting the fighter fights and. Yeah, and then with the kids and the other kids and stuff like, you gotta try not to favor one more than the other night sort of thing. It's. You know, it weighs on you and gets you down. And then you start to hate the world because you hate how you look. You're blaming everybody else. You know, I'm fat because the owner feeds me too much food, or I'm fat because my sneakers are fucked and I can't go for a walk or whatever. Stupid reasons we give ourselves to convince ourselves why we are like we are, you know, If I smoked for 22 years and I've been off to smokes eight or 10 years now, I can't remember because it's an important milestone in my life, but not important enough to fucking hang on to because you never, you never go forward if you hang on to these shit parts of your life and date me like rdm. I joined RDM two or three months ago. I don't know, because I'm glad I didn't. It's important that I have. But if I remember exactly, then that takes me back to when I was sad and depressed and fat and lazy and all that shit. And I've moved on from that. So I don't know when I joined and it doesn't fucking matter when I joined. The fact is that I joined and I'm going. I quit smoking and I'm going. I used to think I need to smoke because I was depressed or I was sad or I had a route or I was pissed or had a good meal or whatever else and I need to smoke. And then I thought, people do all these things and never smoke. And I'm a people too. Like, it's as simple as that. You know, people. People lose weight all the time and get RDM's. Not really. It's not a weight loss program like I initially thought it was, you know, but people change their lives in every aspect, in every way they can. People do it all the time. And I'm a people too. And you're a people too, you know, like you, as you said, you got your third baby not far away, you know, like, how the fuck am I gonna do that? Well, you're not the only dad that's gonna have three kids. So dads do this and you will do this, you know, like just. You gotta tweak the game a bit and then else gotta approach things differently. But you can do it and you know you can. And now I knew I've joined this rdm and I'm paying money to be an rdm and to tell, you know, you don't tell me this, but for me to tell myself, yeah, eat well and exercise your fat buck. Look, that's. I've joined RDM to basically for you to tell me what I already know, but the accountability to yourself and the coaches and particularly all the other dads, it's just you can't get that anywhere else, you know, you need your mates and you to just like, mates, you know, like, I don't look at anyone any higher than anybody else, you know, like you're the man that runs the show. But then you do the challenges that we do and then you talk about that we do and then you have, yeah, you're excited about your baby and stuff. Like all we were, you know, like, you're no different to any of us, you know, like you just, you're just a face that's headed it up and got a lot in here, you know, like. But, but I joined it to lose weight in the first week, you know, holding the back foot with you a bit because there's so many people out there trying to flog this to people. I thought, is this Alfala bad income or is this all bullshit? And now you'd said in the past you thought I might have been a bit the same as micked in for the Real deal or not. Well, yeah, honestly at the start I didn't know. And the first week I thought I saw the challenges and that and I thought, there's no way known I'll be able to do this. But I thought that we had to. I thought when you put the challenges up there, a requirement, well, they kind of are, but they're more of a suggestion than a requirement. These are challenges. We're set out, we want you guys to have a cracker. If you don't, we don't care, but we'll be chucked if you do. And so I looked at all the fitness at the start and yeah, I was, I couldn't reach down, do my shoes up because I was too fat. I mean, if I tell you, if I'm passing out, tying me boots up, how the hell am I going to do push ups or go for a walk or anything, you know, like, and, and then like, you just, you just poke away at your own pace, you know, this 1% better. You usually say 1% better and they're really easy. You know what, you just chip away. You look at the mountain where you want to get and you'll never get there because the higher you get up the mountain, the higher you want to go, the more you want to achieve. So you never, you'll never ever get to where you think you're going to go. Because people say at the end, you know, how far are you going to go? What's your end goal? I don't have an end goal because it's partying for life. The end goal means the end. And I'm not, I'm not doing the end because I don't want, I don't want this to finish. I don't want to not the mate Ship and the friendship and everything I've got out rdm. I never want to lose that so I'll just do. I'll become a life member and I'll be in all you blokes lives forever. I hope and I hope user in mind because this is far, far stronger than the coaches and the supplements that you, that we can buy off you and and the diet books and everything. It's far, far more than all that, you know I joined it to lose weight. I never in a million years thought I would get what I've got out of it with my mental health and how I approach life and how it's made me a better dad and a better husband and a better mate and a better employee. I've got my own business but I drive a truck with another bloke so a better employee for him I think and more motivated in our own business. And when you sit down watching TV over nighttime it's easy to sit. I should go for a walk. I might go for a ride or this morning I'll 11:30 to bed last night, couldn't sleep much last night and was up again at 5 this morning. I did 18 and a half k's on my bike this morning like half of them in the dark. I would never have dreamt of that three months ago. If anyone listens to this who's not at RDM yet and is a dad, well they should be but they don't. Don't think you can't because I was a fucking lazy. I'm fucking lazy as fuck off. It wasn't. I ate a bag of salt mini and chips won't for the owner to bring tea to me over nighttime you know like and that just lazy, lazy stuff and people say oh if I can you can. Well if I can you definitely can. Anyone can. I was pretty lazy sort of a fellow and truck driving you've only got to be fit for half an hour or so to load the truck or unload the truck, you know like part and livestock and that. You only got to be able to run 10ft to climb a fence quickly. If something's chasing you you don't have to fucking gallop for miles and miles. So you know it's not a very fitness sort of a job but look, yeah I now and I drive a truck and dog tipper for this other fellow so I'll go tip off at the farm and I might do 10 squats beside the tank of the truck, fuel tank of the truck or something or some push ups off the Top step of the truck and just get the body moving a bit and bit of fitness. And if I don't do something each day, I start to feel guilty. I feel bad for myself that I haven't done it. And. And then blokes, my single cowman hasn't put anything up on messenger today. What's he, you know, what's he been doing? And no one cares, you know, if I do stuff, that's great, if I don't, no one's going to ridicule me. But. But they, the blokes have really, really got you back, you know, like. So I started. I started growing a beard a month or so, a couple of months before rdm. And I was going through a really negative stage in my life, I suppose. And I hate everybody and the owner of my wife hates facial hair. So my idiotic mental head, I thought I'd go a beard to piss her off. And that'll be funny and it's not. That's childish. It's been a child. So. So I started RDM and then started, you know, started just to shove it up a few people. You watch this, watch this. And I'm sure if you own a thought, here he goes, another one of his hair brain ideas. And, you know, well, I stick it there. So, yeah, I'd try different things. And I'm always looking at, you know, you know, the get rich quick schemes or whatever else. And I've got a plan in my head of how I want things to go, but these plans cost and. But I did the beard and I thought, that'll piss the owner off. And then I sort of got into RDM and started to just feel a bit calmer in myself and a bit more relaxed and then started to have a look at myself and. So you grew the beard to be an asshole. And I hated it myself, you know, like, it was itchy and it was hot and I didn't like it either. And. And everyone reckon I look like Uncle Jesse from the Dukes of Hazard. So I didn't like that much either. But I. I thought, I'll set a goal to shave it off at 120 kilo. And I hated the beard, so I flipped it back onto myself and I was like, you grew it to be an. Now you can wear it. You. And you can. Every day you look in the mirror that will remind you of. You grew this beard just to be a prick. And it's a stupid bid. It doesn't mean anything. But to me it's to shave it off meant a Great deal more than just shaving off a beard, you know, like. So I'd hit me goal weight last Wednesday, my first goal weight last Wednesday, I was 119.8. And I weighed myself about six or eight times on the scales just to make sure the fucking things weren't lying to me. And I was under 120 every time. So now I sat on that information all day and burned a bit of a hole in my pocket, but I kept it to myself under the strict instructions of Fiona, don't say nothing. Don't say nothing. Then last Wednesday night, on the round table that we had, I snuck off mid round table and shaved it off when I think Ben was talking. And I just sat down at my chair and didn't say anything in there mid sentence, he's like, holy shit, Cowman shows a beard off. And it was really, really funny. And I've had heaps of private messages from the dad since and a few on the screen that night, the fist pumping and stuff, you know, I knew you should all be as excited for me as I was, and Fiona and the rest of my family was. And I hadn't told anyone. I only told Fiona and Molly, my daughter that lived with me. But anyone else, nobody knew. And I'd come across a few people through the day. I hadn't told my other kids because I wanted to share it with my mates first. And the RDM dads were people who I wanted to share it with. So I didn't tell anyone. I wanted to tell you guys first. And that's only known you blokes for a short time. But that's what you mean to me and that's what we all mean to each other. And that's the impact this has had on people that as soon as I hit so I got the scales and saw the weight. I was just so anxious for the roundtable that night, you know, like we're talking 12 hours later because. Or 13 hours later because I wanted to share it with you bloke. I wanted to. Your ads on Facebook and that. But it's the other dads that and yourself, of course, but the other dad that really keep you in there, you know, like, we're just. Just average Joe blokes, yeah. There's school teachers and there's mechanic blokes and there's other blokes around and electricians and everything. Like, we're just average blokes from average lives with average families doing, you know, just doing average things. Just keep kicking along like no one expects anything from you. And no one's pushing you or India for this, that or the other thing. Like, hello, I'm down now. 118.5 I was this morning. So anyway, that's 13.1 kilo I've lost in two and a half, three months. I mean, piss easy really. Look, I look back when I quit smoking and at the time I thought it would be the end of the world. Looking back now, it's pretty easy. I thought it was easy. Just stop putting them in your mouth. That's how it works, you know, like, so with rdm it's been a bit of a battle, but not really. Like the battle is getting outside in the cold morning and going for a walk or riding your bike. That's. No one likes getting out of a warm bed next to your wife to go fucking run around in the cold. But the benefits from it at the other side, like the meals and that, I'm not really following any of the recipe books because I think we eat pretty well anyhow and so. But we eat better than we did. People say it's more expensive to, to eat healthy than what it is to eat shit. Well, it is, but it isn't. Like I look at it being a truck driver, it's all about fuel, you know, I look at it like BP fuel as to United fuel. Like if you put BP fuel in your car and I only run BP fuel in all our vehicles, or better quality servo fuel, you put the BP fuel in the good quality fuel. $20 worth of BP fuel will get you more kilometers than $20 worth of United fuel. Burns better, burns more efficient. You get more miles per gallon out of the better quality fuel. They'll cost you a little bit more, but you go a lot further. So it's like the nutrition in our body. If I put maccas in Kentucky and all the United States fuel into my body, I won't go as far. But if I up it and put the better quality food in, I spend a little bit more and I'll get a lot more out of it. You know, like I have to be snacking and nibbling and shit all the time. I have breakfast, lunch and tea. That's it. I fast every second day religiously. That's what we do. Like Fiona has a night rider with me over nighttime. She doesn't have the mojo in the morning, so she has these other hairy lemon dissolvable tablets things she has in the morning stuff. And my daughter Molly has a hairy lemon every morning and stuff. Like they're good things. They're from the health section. So we're not chucking down drugs and stuff like that. It's just little fizz up things here and there to keep you going along during the day. Like now, like when I was a big fat, Pretty fat bloke, 31, 131.6 kilo and I'm six foot thereabouts. Like that's I'm up there. You know, my family on my mum's side, they're all big prone people. Mum was a big lady when we were growing up. She got a brothers that are big blokes. So, you know, genetically it's got you a little bit. But you know, like it doesn't have to have to have. You don't just accept because all the family's fat, I'm going to be fat. It doesn't work like that, you know, but I, you know, I can get out of the shower now, dry myself and look down and see me dick. I haven't been able to do that when I was 131 kilo. Like that's a stupid thing, but to a big bloke like me, you know your manhood and who you are and you know all that, that's important when you're a man man, that's important. So a change like that, get out of the shower and see that it's a. It's a silly thing, but it's a thing. Like the beard. It's a thing. They all mean mean stuff to us, you know, like, yeah, four or five holes in me belt and I've gone. The first RDM shirt I was sent was a 4XL, this one to 2XL. So things that. Yeah, and it's been pretty easy really.

Like I reckon, yeah, it's a credit to you, Mick. Like the thing is, and what a phenomenal intro, mate. It's what you've gone through and where you're at. Like it's. It really is humbling. And you're right. Like I might steer the ship or be the face, but it's the dads that make this what it is. Dads like you. That's why this isn't a sign up online and 20,000 dads. It's a proper group of men and fathers. But the greatest thing I see is the symbolisms. Like your beard. It's a symbolism for who you were to who you are now. You know your actions and your habits and your patterns. All of this comes to an under ruling principle. Whether you agree or not, mate, it's a pattern. We See, of not believing in yourself and not valuing yourself and thinking that's the status quo. Even if you just think, oh, we're average blokes and none of us are different from each other, you're absolutely right, mate. But guys go one more and drop themselves down. They talk poppy themselves, mate. They self sabotage and think this is just what life is. Like you said, I'm on my truck so I should be heavily overweight and eating fucking McDonald's. All this sort of stuff doesn't have to be. And that's why I love sharing your story, mate. Because what you're sharing, even intimately about getting out of the shower and whatnot is incredibly humbling for me to see and know that he's fucking earned those stripes. We've got an amazing environment, but he's made that choice. Yes, it's hard to get up in the morning. These are moments. There are always going to be moments that challenge us. You've been here fucking way longer than any singular moment, haven't you, mate? You've got that power and strength. That's what I love, like seeing, seeing you now. Because you're right, you might not have been sure of me at the start and vice versa because the first week it was hard for you to walk around the truck a few times and there were things you're like, I can't do this, I don't have time. Fuck, look where you are now, mate. You've ridden 300 plus K's in a couple of months. Like, it's massive. And it's something that I love the most. Just to sort of really hit home on the environment. What you do now lifts the other dads who might be in a bit of a rut and having a shit time, which means if you have a tough week where life tries to punch you in the face and they're doing well, they lift you up and this is the energy. That's what I love seeing, mate. And even guys watching this right now, whether they're part of IDM or not, it's relevant, but it's looking and going. This guy's showing he's leading his own life and now it's having a ripple effect. His family, because he's showing, not telling, and there is no definitive point B because even if you hit point B, it's coming from point A, which you've leveled up from anyway. So you've got new goals again, mate. You know what I mean?

Yep. And it's funny because when I shaved the beard off, I was entertaining and Funny and stuff like that. But as I said, it meant a lot to me and a lot of dad knew that. But the next day I got a few private messages from some dads and one of the dads had said that he'd been in a bit of a rut lately and he didn't want to be doing much and didn't want to go out and do his fitness and stuff. He said, no, I watched the roundtable and watched you come back in. He said, you inspired me to get up and get going. And I've never ever thought I've inspired anybody. I can do a lot and I can talk a lot. And we have our local school fate down the road here and there'd be a couple of thousand people at that. Well, I emceed on the microphone, have done for about 10 or 11 years and. And sort of run the show and that, like, oh, yeah, I'm good like that and stuff. But I don't look at me as being. People look at me more as a bit of the class clown, I think, than an inspiration. And it was quite humbling that this bloke was that chuffed by what I'd done to motivate him to do stuff, you know, Like, I've taught my kids a lot. Like, My daughter Molly's 16, nearly 17, and she can. She'd been able to back a B double cattle truck since she was 13 or 14. Yeah, like, my. They can all drive. My kids can drive everything, do everything and horses and cars and trucks and tractors and they can shoot guns and hit targets and it's just brilliant now, like, I've taught them a hell of a lot and driving and stuff. Yeah. Like, I. I teach the kids to drive. You know, driving school teaches your kids to drive for half an hour to pass their test. I've taught my kids to drive for the rest of their life. So I'd go with them in the car, I'd turn the music up, I'd pull a handbrake up at traffic lights, I'd knock it out of gear and all the stupid shit that a lot of people say, oh, you can do that. But when they get some dickhead mates in the car, like, I had some dickhead mates in the car, like, yeah, you've got a. Yeah, I want them to experience all that. One of them, the only thing they noticed when they got their license was they had tees up and not Ls, and they'll buy themselves, you know, like, they go off in the car and our place with Fiona And I tailgate them in the truck and not so much tailgate, but come right up behind so they could experience having a truck behind them. Because people think trucks are right up their ass. Now you're looking at a truck in a rear vision mirror that's 6 inches by 2 inches. And the front of a truck is 8 foot by 10 foot. Of course it's going to fill your mirror up. People think you're right up your ass. You're looking at this massive thing in a little mirror like, well, not as close. If, if you could just instantly freeze time and people got out of their car and walk to the back, they'd be surprised. So I wanted to teach my kids all them aspects and then they've got appreciation for trucks and transport and everything else. And like, I've taught them a lot, I've helped people. But I never thought I'd be an inspiration. That was quite humbling when that was, when that was said to me the other night, the other day in a message. And I'm just doing what I'm doing. And I get a kick out of the feedback from the dads and the love heart on a message or a thumbs up or a comment or something like that. I don't care who you are, everybody likes to be told they're doing well. You're doing a good job, mate. We're really proud of you. Keep up the good work, even yourself, you're going to do this whether I'm here or not or whether anyone's here or not. When we say we'd be fuck without you, we wouldn't be where we are without you. You say, I'm not here to change lives. We're too fucking bad. Because you are. But you should be proud of yourself. And I know you're gonna just bounce back out of bed tomorrow and do the same thing and that's what you do. But you need to pause for a second and let us pat you on the back. And pat yourself on the back and that's okay. It's good for us all to be pumped up. That's why we like being pumped up. Because that's why we get up in the morning and go and do these fitness channels. Like one of the dads here does his exercise at 11 o' clock at night because he knows we're proud of him and he does a good job. The next morning he'll wake up and look at messenger with his photo and people have responded to it and that like they love that. We all love the feedback and everyone Likes to be pumped up. So when someone said I was inspiration, that was. That took me back a bit. I just. I like to make people laugh and smile and be entertaining and I've certainly been that with RDM a fair bit. But I never thought I'd be inspirational to anybody. So that. Yeah, I'm quite char. Yeah, I was really pleased about that.

It's awesome, mate. You know, it's a credit to you. And you're right. Like, I try and always stay on the level, whether it's good feedback or someone abusing me on my ads, but it's. You're right, it's a natural thing as human beings to have that level of significance and value. Now, for me, I don't care if it's someone I don't know about who might abuse my ads, but for the dads inside of rdm, man, that's my heart, like, that's me. All I have in my life are my two daughters. I'm about to have my third, which will be a son, and rdm, that's it. That's all I focus on. It's why we can do what we do, mate, you know, because you guys are part of the family for me and my inner circle. And it always comes back to that thing of self belief in the environment that can enhance that. That's always the common thread. I see. Mickey, is that true for you? Like, what's been the biggest takeaway or thing that you've gotten since you've started with us so far?

I reckon probably the mateship and the interaction with the dads. I think, like, the fitness and the exercising and everything. We all know we need to do that, but it's to have these group of blokes that are just like, mate, there's a dad in the RDN that's actually local to me in Sale, that I'd known him, met him in the past and didn't even really know. So we've connected a few times. We've gone bike riding together and so it's a whole new. Out of all my mates, I've got him and got another mate, Brian himself. We went riding together as well. So that's the only ones out of all my friends I've got that would want to go bike riding and I like bike riding. So there's a common ground. We're found, you know, like, so the mates and the friends that I've got and Covid's. Covid's flowing the meet and greet side of things down a fair bit. And that's disappointing for a lot of us, but I hope to meet everyone. You know, there's some, there's dads in here that you, you really engage in and listening to and there's dad that you sort of probably don't listen to as much as you should. But we're not, we don't have to be buddies with everybody, but we're not, not buddies. Like, I can't wait to meet everybody in rdm, you know, like, but the friendship and the mateship I think is I've got the most out of it and you know, like, I, I don't contact the train as much and I don't do a lot of the training things through, you know, the apps and stuff that I should be doing some of the challenges that I don't do, but I'm still doing plenty of other stuff and I'm still engaged a fair bit. So that, that's the thing, that's the first thing I thought when I first joined RDM is holy, I'm not going to be able to do all this. But now, you've never set a challenge to go bike riding. But I do a fucking ton of bike riding and you've never said you shouldn't be bike riding, you should be at home doing me challenge. You know, like, people need to not get bogged down or put off by this. It's a bit overwhelming at the start. You think, fucking hell, that's too hard. But you find what works for you and that will keep your body moving and the fitter you get and the healthier you get, the more you want to do, the more challenges you'll do. The more this you do, the more that you'll do, you know, like. But I'm a firm believer in have a conversation with some. You've got to listen to somebody and yourself. You do a lot of podcasts, you do a lot of talking and that. And I try to listen to everything and some stuff that I listen to, I don't hang off every single word you've got. I'll probably only take on board 30% of what you say, but I've got to listen to the 100% to get the 30%, you know, like even this podcast. Now, hopefully I myself or yourself might say something, a few words or a sentence that might really inspire somebody, but they got to listen to the 15 hour podcast that I'm just about to give to get that, to get them few words, you know, like everybody, I don't give a fuck who you are. Everybody's Got wisdom. Everybody's got something relevant to add. Whether it's a person beyond the servo Tanner, the chick out cheek taxi driver. I don't care who is somebody. If you give people the time of day and talk to them, the strangest person will just say something that will change your life. So now we've got to listen. So, you know, there's a lot of things you've said that really are the 1% better. That really resonated with me. Like I thought that's easy as shit, you know, that could just be a matter of getting up from your tea of a nighttime in the lounge and take your dishes to the sink that you normally leave there for your missus to do. You know, like it doesn't have to be 1% better of push ups or sit ups. It could be 1% better of bolts and washing or go and feed the dogs or take the bin out or whatever. You know, like the stuff you normally wouldn't do because that makes you. The rest of your family's life's a bit easier and it makes them also have started a bit more respective because hang on, now dad's doing the shit that he makes me do. I would better go and take the bin out because dad yells me to do it every night and I get out there and it's gone because dad's done it. I can go, dad, you know, like people look at you a bit different. So the 1% better really resonated with me a lot. But yeah, all the dads have got something to add and if you stop and listen to them, it might be three or four words or a sentence or something that you just hang and you forget them now days later, I forget what other people have said, but at the time it really hit ya. And like the beard, it was just a stupid thing, but it hit another fella enough to inspire him to go and exercise and to message me and tell me that that's great, that's great. You don't get that at a gym.

Like, no way, mate. And what you said just then, like, there's always a gift mix. That's the thing. Like for me it's about having a very widespread, creative way to try and deliver the same message. The worst thing in the world Daniel could ever have his fucking regret because it's too late. And the best thing you can do to combat that is to consistently grow in your life and expand who you are. Because the two can never coexist. It's such a fucking simple formula. And then the base of all that is loving yourself, mate. A bit of self worth and self value. And that's the thing. Like, there's always a gift. Like, I'm old school, I've got an old Italian father as well as older brothers. I'm just. I like working with older dads and older men. And for me it's literally listening and trying to understand, which is why I don't need to go do mindset courses and all this other shit. It's listening and understanding what you and the other dads are saying and then comprehending that and repositioning it to then reflect back to you with some value, to keep moving forward. That's all I do, mate. Like, and then the environment enhances that of the other dads, not me, the coaches, we're part of that, mate. Hard to get, though. Very rare these days, Mick, you know, especially in today's world, mate, as I'm sure you'll. You'll agree.

Yep, yep. And inspiration and motivation. You know, like, people think I can't. I've got to be home on me exercise bike to get exercise or I've got to. I've got to be listening to a podcast to get inspirational this or that, you know, and. And yeah, I walk around the local footy ground. There's just some concrete steps I do step ups on and muck around. I don't need a special block or nothing. I just find as I'm going along and one of our dads and I actually saved his video on my phone, he was walking one day and next thing he's picked up this log and I'm going to carry this log and he. I'm going to do some exercise with it. And he carried it for however far and dropped it. And the next day he went for a walk and he picked it up and carried it back again and. And yeah, you don't. It's just a log in the fucking. On the ground he found, you know, like, it was just, just so. I just thought it was just amazing that these blokes just grabbed. Grab some. Fuck. I need to load myself up a bit more. There's a fucking log. I'll just grab that, you know, like, and, and motivation. As I said, the beard had to come up at 120 kilo. And as it got close I started to worry about, you know, once I hit this goal, I need a new goal and. And what am I going to do? And I was actually really worried. I've got to think of something because I don't want to. I'M on the run here. I don't want to drop the ball and have to stop. I want to keep going. So I needed to get another bit of inspiration. My father in law, of all people, like, you know, that's what I mean. You've got to have the conversation with someone because you just get a little bit back. That really fires you up. So my father in law, Lindsay, he's 72 or something, and he had a beard for 40 years. And I'd been with Fiona since 95, but I've never seen him with a beard. He said to me, said, how long did it take you to lose your first 10 kilo? And I said, oh, about 10 weeks. And he says, oh, yeah. He said, right. He said, when you hit your next 10 kilo, I'll grow a beard for 10 weeks. He's actually gonna grow a beard when I hit 110 kilo. So I've already told him, you better get ready to stop buying. Raise the blaze, motherfucker, because you're growing a beard. You know what? So it might take me another six months to get that far, but he will grow a beard. You mark my fucking words. That man is going to grow a beard because I'm going to hit 110 kilo. And I said to Fiona, I'll hit 110 kilos. She says, yeah, I know you will. Like so. And he, my father in law, he's one of the greatest blokes I know, you know, like he, yeah, he could. I just think the sun shined out of his eyes. Now. He's just the greatest guy and he stands by what he says. He's an old school fella and calls a spade a spade. But if he says he will, then he will, because he. And, and that's where I get the inspiration. Plenty of people can jaw off and say shit that they're not gonna back up, but he said he'd do it. And he shook me in and said he will. So there's me inspiration. I know he won't back out, you know, if I said to you, oh, when I get to 100 kilo, what I'm gonna do? And you say, I'll give myself a crew cut or something stupid. And I think, I don't think he's on the level. I'm not going to be as motivated because I don't think you're fair as an example. But I knew with Lindy that he really was and that he really will. And then when he's chased his beard off, no doubt That'll make a video to the rdms. I can show the dads as well. But yeah, it was a stupid thing to say, but to growing the beard was a stupid thing to start with. It doesn't have to be. I'm going to quit smoking to save up the money to buy a Ferrari and shit. You know, like, you don't quit something and save the money. You don't quit smoking and save the money you'd normally spend on smoke. Does that remind you you're a smok. Just fucking move on. Don't hang back, you know, you don't, don't think, well, I just spent a hundred bucks a week on cans of Coke and Macca. So I'll put that 100 bucks a week in the jar and at the end of the year I'm gonna go and treat myself to something. No, don't fucking do that. Because that makes you live in a part of your life you're trying to get away from. So if you keep having this jar on your counter at home with your junk food money going in, that just reminds you of where you were that we, we can't live in the past. I've got you and you say no regrets. I've got a lot of regret. I've had a lot of happening in my life that I really wish didn't. I wish to God I could change. And it never will, you know, with family and stuff like that, it will just never change. And, and it really tears me up and, and upsets me a lot. But, you know, I can't change it. I can't ignore it. But if I can make myself happy and a bit more content and more fulfilled in my own life, it makes the regret a bit easier to deal with. It makes it not hit hard, hit your heart so hard because we've all got shit that we wish what didn't happen. Like, whether you with your injuries in your sport now, you know, like, it might have got you to where you are now, but it's going to be a piece of hell to wish that some of that shit didn't happen. You could have been the greatest of the great, you know, like, so we've all got regret, but some of it really, really weighs down on me quite a lot. And, and yeah, like, you can't escape that. If you only had balls, you'd be your uncle. So you can't change what it is. But, but you know, like, you learn to live with it and by being, becoming a better you makes everything else easier. And rdm, like Your dads are not on RDM now. They should be. And you don't have to be overweight and you don't have to have mental issues. You don't have to have any of these things. You just might want some decent blokes to knock around with and live a bit healthier and happier life and join just because of that. I joined to lose weight and I don't think I've ever heard you say weight loss as a promotional or inspirational quote. You might say blokes have lost weight, dads have lost weight. But you've never ever pushed into the weight loss thing and I joined it for that. And I never ever thought I'd get out of what I have. Any dad should just look at it for that. The mental health side of things and how you feel about yourself. Yeah, you can't, you can't get anything.

Yeah, that's the gift, Mick. You know, it's your transformation and what you talk about, the small things, isn't it? It's the little things where it's that bet and deal with your father in law or the bid that you initially had to get under 120. Like we say it all the time, don't we? The type of journey you have is the destination. And that's what it's here. It's not here to be some robot where you have to hit a number on the scale. It's living and experiencing the life that you want along the way and enjoying it. Which means when you do level up in 10 years times, those regrets that you do currently have, they'll become lesser and less and less. If you continue to level up, it will happen. Like, and you're right, like. Do I use the term regret? No. Do you use the term fuck ups and things? I could have, I wish I could have changed and done better, especially with my injuries with my relationships and other things. Yeah, mate, of course, absolutely. But there's a great lesson in that too, in finding the pathway that can, that can move you forward if you, if you choose that, mate, that's the big thing. A lot don't. So they fall down even more and they don't put their fucking hand up and that, that becomes a nightmare for anyone else involved in that person's life. It's dangerous, you know, but it's, it's awesome to hear like your, your journey and your views. Like there are a lot of gifts in what you said just then, mate, you know, and it's something that I'm obviously, I love being part of, like this gets me up. There's so many hardships in my life that I get inspired from the dads too. And that's what I love. Like even this wristband wearing this scene at the reminders everywhere. It's always there and it's what it stands for, mate. Like you said in the group. And the fellas and they're really backing each other too. I think that's a big thing, like you said. Whether it's catching up with Jason who lives out at Sale, or, you know, having the inspiration from what the dads are posting or what you're posting in private messages, it's. It's all there. You don't need a 21 year old to fucking flog you doing burpees in the gym to think you have to lose weight. The weight's a byproduct of the self value, which is a byproduct of the environment you invest yourself in. And look at what you're invested in now, mate.

Fiona's on board as well. So she's down six kilos just. And she doesn't do as much fitness as I do. But she's down six kilos just because we're living better and eating better and everything. And there was a dad that said the other day that when he first started rdm, his family kind of mocked him and hung a bit of shit in him for doing it and he kept going anyway. So it'd be hard to get cracker when no one's really. We've all got his back but no one at ease at home 247 got his back. Would be hard to get going. And he has. And he started to turn his family around and he. And now he's. He said his partner's getting involved and stuff like that and they're watching what they eat and everything and. And they're starting to come on board. So he'd overcome that like that, you know, I can. Good on him. But sad too. We shouldn't have to sell ourselves to somebody else. We should just do what we're doing and hope people will back us up and. But he's turned them around and shown him what he can do. And look, so his whole family's doing the same thing. My whole family, we're doing the same thing. The breakfast that we have now, my daughter has them all the same. But we just. The only way it's going to work, we can't have. You have to eat that and I'll eat that and I'll eat that. We've got to Be the same. I'm a big influence in the house. Dads are a big influence in the house. So dad says, that's it. That's it. So. And Molly's my daughter. She's happier and a bit healthier and fitter and she's pretty big young lady anyway. But she says the other morning she goes, the only downside, she said to Fiona, the only downside to use fasting every second morning. You only get a good breakfast every second morning, she says. So we cook a good breakfast every second morning and then the next morning we don't have breakfast. She'll have cocoa pops or rice bubbles or whatever. So that's funny. That's a good thing. They look at that as a positive. So that keeps us positive, like so. And it changes how you shop. We don't go down the drink aisle, the lolly aisle or nothing anymore. We. We just walk past you. It's just. It's changed everything. It changes, you know, like you walked a long way around something and not the shortcut, you know, like you, you change what you buy in the supermarket. We're eating food now. We never thought we'd eat. Like, it's just everything, it just, it just changes everything. Like you, you could. You can't. You know, I'd have to join five different fucking organizations to get the same. I'm getting out of one here. Like, it just changes everything, you know, I gotta have to go to a gym for me fitness. I to go to a dietitian to tell them what to eat. I have to go somewhere else to tell them what to shop. And somewhere else is in somewhere else for that. Like, if I have a problem with me, I'd have saw back early on with the truck and there was the eight some. Drew put some exercise together for me to target for my lower back and stuff like that to help me. Like, I had an issue. And he put something together. And it wasn't some YouTube video or some buff buck, nothing from the States or nothing. It was Drew. You know, if there's a we challenges and it says to do a particular exercise. And a lot of them, the burpees. And I didn't even know what any of that shit was. So we'd look them up, the video. And it was either yourself, Al, or Drew showing us these exercises. It wasn't just some fucking wanker off YouTube. It's you bloke. You know, like. And I've challenged you a couple of times with some silly challenges, push ups and handstands and. And shit. Like that. And next thing you're at the gym and you do them, you know, like you're. It just goes to show you're just a real bloke like the rest of you're not a buff. If I say do a challenge, you do the challenge the other day at the gym, you know, the push ups against the wall and stuff. And then you go walking off on your hand, a walking handstand for about 5 meters and then some push ups on the wall. You fucking show off like. But you just did it and you laughed it off and it inspired all of us and it just, it just reaffirmed that you're just an average Joe like the rest of us. And you're not, you ain't shy away from nothing. You're in it just as much as we are, you know, and that, that, you know, it's just a funny thing that you did. But it, it meant a great deal to me and I'm sure to other dads that he's his bloke, you know, he's a big boss and he still just kicks it with the rest of us, you know, like that's, that's a credit to you. That's really good.

Appreciate it, mate. That's what I love doing as well, you know, it's never going to be someone who. Mate, I take the rubbish out, I fucking clean up, you know, like our dad packs. I don't go get someone to do the mails for me. I get out in the post office and I send the parcels. Like there's a level of significance and value in the simple things, mate, because it's life that I'm experiencing as well. Not kicking back behind an office, just pointing fingers. And that's been awesome. It's been great having you on, Mick. I know that there'd be dads watching and listening to this who get a lot of value out of it. And I guess not to be a smart ass, but just to ask the question, like, if you can do this, but there's a dad listening or watching and thinks that he can't, what makes you so different or special? Or is that just a story that this dad's creating in his head that's pulling him down from who he can be.

Well, that's right. But I'm no different and I'm not special. That's, that's the point, you know. Like I was a big fat truck driver, a lazy, big fat bloke. Like I, I didn't want to do anything. So, like, yeah, active around home and stuff. We do what we have to do. But as far as fitness and eating well, take the easy, easy way out all the time. So no, I say jogly the kid, you know, there's no canning can't anything else. I can't do that. You can, you know, like you can do anything you want to do, you know, like it's. And people say oh yeah here they all the time. And I wanted inspirational wankers and that sort of shit. Well, yeah, that's my name through Facebook and it. I'll be on there. They people could message me, people can ask me, I don't care. You can share this to the fucking world. I don't care. I've got nothing to hide. I'll live it. I live at Nanbrock, down here in Gippsland. We own a small transport company. I drive a truck with someone. I'm 45 years old. I was an overweight truck driver and Now I'm down 13 kilos. I've got nothing to hide, like. And I'm not. I'm not doing this to piss in your pocket. You don't need me to help you fly. You're already flying, you know, like, I'm doing this because I wanted to share my story a bit with. With other boys to say that you can. And if you think you can't, that's. You're not trying hard enough because it's not even that hard at work to get up and go for a walk for a couple of days of a morning and listen to a podcast from RDM or listen to ACDC or Patsy Biscoe. I don't give a fuck what. Get out and go for a walk and clear your head and. And you feel better for yourself and then you want to walk a bit further. You know, Normally I do 30 and a half K's around a certain block at home. Well this morning. So now, fuck it, I got a bit further. 18 and a half K. Yeah. And once you go that way, you've got like, like the truck and once you get in the truck, you've got to go that way to come that way. You got to go and do your load so you can come home again, you know, look, you've got to look at it like that. You can't. I can't go halfway to Melbourne with a load of cows on. Think fuck it, that'll do. I'm going home. No, no, it's gotta fucking go. So you gotta go for a walk around the block. Go around the fucking block. Don't just walk Halfway. You don't go halfway to work and then turn around, go home. You don't get till lunchtime, think, fuck it, that's enough, I'm going home. You go to work and you gotta stay to knock off time, then you fucking go home. So you need to treat your fitness and everything the same. I've gotta go that way to go that way. You know, like, anyone that thinks they can't fucking ring me, I'll tell them they can. Anyone can.

Yeah, so true, mate. Like. And you talk about the things that some might think are hard, and you say they're easy and vice versa. And it's. It's a perception, it's a choice, isn't it, really? When you look at it and it's like, well, okay, there may be some discomfort, like getting up early, it's cold. And it's been really cold down there for you in Victoria this winter. I look at all this and then I go, this is a very micro view. How about we pull out a bit on the bigger picture? When we're talking about easy and hard, you tell me, Mick, what's easier or harder? Laying back on your deathbed filled with fucking would ofs, should ofs and could ofs, or laying back on your deathbed fulfilled with life that you've completely exhausted and you wore yourself out, you didn't rust out, you know, like, for me, it's much fucking easier to sit back going, I fucking had a crack and did everything. It's much harder at that stage.

It's easy to cop out. Like, it's easy now. I don't want to go walking. It's too cold. Next thing's gonna be summertime. It's too hot or it's too. It's too early in the morning or I'm too tired or I can't find my shoes, or fuck off. They're just all bullshit reasons. And we know they're bullshit reasons. We. We're so good at telling ourselves we're no good at this shit, that we believe we're no good at this shit. I can back a B double, and anyone can come to my house and I'll fucking jump. I can back a B double in high range, right in reverse in high range. Now means nothing. No one done drive trucks means somebody who does drive trucks. I can do all that shit, right? I'm a fucking bit of a cowboy in the shop, and I can do that. I wasn't born back in a B double. I had to learn how to do that. I say this to My kids all the time, I wasn't bored. They say, oh dad, you can do this and I can't. Yeah, but I've taught myself to do this or I've had someone help me to do this. I wasn't born talking to you. I wasn't born fucking doing all these things that I can do. And since there's many things I could do extremely well, we had to learn this shit. Say you're not going to join RDM and be born your first day in RDM as a fucking marathon running but and fitness freak. You're gonna build that yourself. You know, like Al doesn't come to your house and kick you out of bed and say there's your. Your breakfast and your. Your mojo drink and fucking let's go for a walk around the block. No off Els be there to pat you on the back when you do. And all the other dads are, but Cameron's got to get his own ass out of bed. Your camera's gonna put. What I put in my mouth is entirely up to me. It's got nothing to do with you. Like it's got nothing to do with theorist to blame Fiona for feeding me sheeple. Fuck off. Like don't have to eat it. It's all on me and we all know that. So any dad that thinks I can't or I'm 120 kilo, 150 kilo, I'm 180 kilo, I don't give a. If they. If they're 150 kilo and they're sitting on the couch listening to this or watching this in a few months time, whatever. Think that's too hard. If they walked out around the washing line and back inside and did that instead of sitting on the couch talking about it, they're already on their way. They're already on their way. Like it's as easy as that, you know, like. And then the next night you do two laps around and wash them on. Then you walk out of the car and back and then you're taking the bins out twice and all this. Like I started and looked at the fitness and thought this but then when I discovered that it was now it wasn't a requirement, it was just basically a suggestion. This is what we. We'd like to see all you guys doing but just. You just. You're always saying go at your own pace, do push ups on your knees if you have to. I don't give a fuck. Just try and do them. Try and do the last session with unbroken but if you can't, doesn't matter. Like, people need to not get so put off by, you know, like. Yeah, it was, it was a bit intimidating at the start, I will say. But once I sort of got my head around how it all works, there's no pressure to do anything. It's just. No, you just want to see us that 1%. You just want to see us do something each day. What that is, you don't give a fuck. Because it will, it will eventually lead into more push ups, more fitness, going for a jog, riding bikes, doing all this shit, it will just, it's just gonna naturally go that way because your body and that's gonna want to do more and more. So you'll be looking for more to do, but you're gonna start, you gotta start walking, you gotta start doing something.

Definitely. No, it's so true, mate. Not one dad have I told them to give up alcohol yet. So many have or they've reduced it heavily. I've never told them anything. I don't tell you what to do. And when you have that, like I said, it's compounding like the most powerful thing that I see, Mick, and especially with your story as we wrap this up, is momentum. Hard to see it and feel it sometimes, but momentum is something you recognize after the fact when you're reflecting where you've come from. Everyone wants the big home run, they all want the quick fix or the short term solution. Like, mate, fuck, we're about to enter spring. Like, how Fast is the eight months of 2020 with all the chaos in the world gone? Pretty quick, mate, you know, and that that momentum is very powerful off the back of what you said, finding what works for you inside of ultimately the system that just naturally progresses into you wanting to do more because you're consistently achieving, you know that that's the big thing. But as we wrap up, mate, it's been awesome having you on, Mick. I've been looking forward to this for, for a while, mate, because you're a great personality and a great person. I don't want dad server, just hear it from me because it's not just me, it's we. And any advice, mate, as we finish up on any fathers listening to this or watching this, on how they can improve and start, I guess moving forward or changing.

Well, you've got it, you've got to want it like you've got to as much as people. You can lead a horse of water, you can't make a drink, you know, look, you can show them Everything you can to do with RDM and the recipe books and the exercise, whatever you want to do, the fitness, whatever the hell it is, you know, and then people could talk to me about it all. And I'm. I'm telling everybody I know about RDM and that, but you've got to want it yourself, you know, like. And if you're not. If you're still sitting on the couch or still on your ass in the truck doing no fitness and everything else, and I'm, you know, I'm no guru when it comes to fitness or nothing like that. I'm just an average bloke. And if you're still doing that and think that you can't, then that your weakest piss, because you can, you know, like. But you've got to want it. And if. If you don't want it bad enough. No, I don't give a. What is it could be any. Anything in your life from wanting to paint your house, to buy a new jar to anything. If you don't want it bad. You want a bag of chips bad enough to get off the couch and go and get one. Well, turn left instead of right and off outside and go for a walk instead. You know, life. You've got to want it. If you don't. The thing I found, you know, like, when I first started, I thought, they're not really talking to me much. I'm not getting much out of it because there's nothing no one's saying unto me. And, you know, you've got to realize, well, hang on, they're not gonna. They're there for you. They're gonna pump you up and inspire you. But you've got to want to do it yourself, and you've got to do it yourself. You're like, oh, I go riding most mornings. Some mornings Fiona comes with me, some morning, she doesn't. Because she doesn't want it as much as I want it. And it's easy to stay there in bed and not go. But now I'm 13 kilos down, Al, in whatever it is, 10 weeks or something, like, fuck me if I can do it. Honestly, it's not that hard. So in the. Dad, listen to this and think, I don't know. I don't know. Fucking bullshit. You just. You don't want it bad enough. That's the bottom line. You just. You've got to want. You've got to want to get ahead with your life. And if you. If you listen, you just click off it and don't do nothing about it. You just don't want it bad enough. We live in the disposal world. It's too easy now. When something fucks up, you just chuck it and get a new one. And people, I'm in. Customers there, we service our farmers with our business. Now you try and give them everything and make their job as easy as shit. Well now society expect that. Society expect a personal trainer to knock on their fucking door. The young, the younger generations want a job but they won't apply for any. They just think that someone's gonna knock on the door and offer a hundred thousand dollar a year job and a fucking company car and a phone. They got limited education. What a bunch of fuckheads. You've got to get out there and make shit happen. So if you want it, it'll happen. If you don't, you'll be living in the shoulda, coulda, woulda's and the gunner. And I don't want to be a gunner.

Very powerful mate, and a great way to finish up. Thanks. So, Mick. And that's what we always hit home about, you know, create non negotiables in your life and like fuck, get out of your own way. If you're not happy with where you're at, but you're not going to instill some change in your life. What you're listening to that's stopping you from taking action is a version of you that you're not happy with anyway. So why would you listen to that person? This is what we mean when we say get out of your own way. Don't talk poppy yourself. Cut the self sabotage and like bullshit by valuing yourself. You're the fucking man, the king and the titan. Don't forget that this is your world. Like I'm a part of your world, Mick, you know there's a version of Al that exists in your life. There's a version of Al that exists in my life and those who are listening or watching, it's that simple. It's your world, man. I'm just living in it. Just like this is my world and you're just living in mine. This is what it is. Take ownership. And if you don't want it, like what you said, that's okay. But just make sure you reflect and put your fucking hand up and take ownership and reflect on the actions that you do want that you say you don't want, but your actions are dictating otherwise. That's the big thing. But mate, it's been awesome having you on. Thanks for joining us and obviously giving us the time to mate, no worries. Yeah, I remember we wanted to do this a few weeks ago. You're like, nah, I gotta fucking lose the beard first.

I was like, mate goes first.

That was awesome. So good. But thanks again, Mick, and thanks to those listening to this or watching. And I hope you got a lot of value out of this and, you know, and really instilled some changes that, you know you can do deep down if you search deep enough. Doesn't have to be with rdm. We are the gold standard for helping fathers. But if you know deep down that you want it, you just need to take one step at a time and get that 1%, like what Mick was saying, and just fucking do it. No one's got time to muck around. Spring starts, you've got 2,000 hours left of 2020. That's it. Cut out your sleep, all that sort of stuff. 2000 hours and 2020's done. Have a think about that and what you're spending your time on. Take care, Mick. Take care, guys. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you again soon. Cheers.