How Australia won the 1988 Women’s World Cup

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Hello, this is Alison Mitchell with a special episode of the TMS podcast. We're going to look back at the 1988 Women's World cup, when Australia won their third title in a row. I'll be joined by cricket writer and historian Raf Nicholson to look at the key moments of the tournament, including Australia's dominance and Jayne Powell, who captained the England team to the final.

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Raf and Jane, great to speak to you both. Raf, let me start with you then. For that historical context. What was the greatest significance of this 1988 World cup to your mind?

Oh, great question. To start with, it's the first time Australia had hosted the World Cup. I think that was quite significant. They were kind of. They'd very much become a sort of powerhouse in, in international women's cricket by this time and would have been massive pre tournament favourites. So really exciting for them to host and I guess that there was a sponsor for the first time. So the whole tournament was sponsored by Shell. That's significant because historically women's cricket, very amateur and by that I don't mean that the people participating didn't care a great deal about it, but there was a sort of ethos that they were playing more for love of the game and weren't kind of trying to make women's cricket commercially successful and actually getting a sponsor on board for the World Cup. Therefore, sort of, it almost felt like it was starting to move into a new, perhaps Slightly more professional era, which I'm sure that Jane will talk about a bit later in terms of the preparations of the teams. But actually, yeah, just getting a big mainline sponsor was quite exciting moment.

And this World cup staged in Australia was part of that country's bicentennial celebrations. How did the World cup in that sense fit into that?

Well, there was loads of different things going on in all of these different cities around Australia to sort of, yeah, commemorate this kind of 200 years of, of the founding of Australia. And I think that partly it was sort of. It was. The idea was that the government would therefore kind supply some funding for the World cup which again was. Was significant in the context of kind of women's cricket and just that, yeah, just this being this big cultural celebration and obviously Australia a cricket mad nation. So to get some of that kind of love for cricket then therefore to centre around a women's cricket tournament was quite exciting.

I should say probably that even the idea of the founding of Australia is something which would have a very different conversation in 2025 as it, as it did back then in 1988, what with the, the great rich history of indigenous Australia. Jane, let me come to you then. So it's a tournament that suddenly has a sponsor. What did that mean for you as players taking part?

To be quite honest, I'm not sure it had much of an impact on us, if that makes sense. So we still had to pay to get there. But once we were in Australia, for the first time ever, we were given $10 a day for. To buy some food, which.

$10.

Which seems like ridiculous now, but then it was like, oh my goodness, we've been given some money to go and get.

How far did that go?

Not very far. But you know, I think there was a lot of shortcuts. I think nutritionists these days would have a fit really, because I think we, we went for the cheapest option we could to try and save money so we could buy some souvenirs at the end of the tournament really. So it was. But I think, I mean it did raise the profile in Australia. So I think from that perspective it was very good. But from an individual team perspective, I'm not sure we felt the true gist of it. You know, when we arrived we. And in all of the major cities we were billeted out to people's homes and we only came together in hotels the day before a match and the day of the match and then we were billeted back out into people's homes. So as far as Team meetings were concerned. It was interesting because it was very much like, not lastminute.com, but we just had to find time to do it when we could. Really.

What are your memories of the people and the places where you were put.

Up, you know, by that stage? We'd had a Tour previously in 84, 85, I think it was. So when you said about Australian Domino's, I think that 1988 team was very much me as the old hand. And then I had a really young bunch of players, you know, the likes of Joe Chamberlain and Karen Smithers and Jill Smith and Lisa Nye. All those youngsters came into that squad in preparation for the following World Cup. So from that perspective, we knew that we weren't. I'm not even sure we were expected to get to the final. So it was very much a go and blood these players so that they are better prepared for the next World Cup. So to get to the final was something special really, because we actually did beat Australia in the match before in a penultimate match where if we didn't win that game, I think New Zealand would have got to the final. But we managed to beat Australia, which was completely like. Everybody was like, how on earth did that happen? But I can still see it now, Patsy level, taking the catch at mid off and throwing the ball up, you know, and that was it. We, we were guaranteed to be in the final, so we were delighted with that.

Raf, remind us about the format then of this 1988 competition. Still 60 overs at this point.

Yes. So there were five competing teams. So obviously Australia, England and New Zealand we've just heard about, but Ireland and the Netherlands both making their World cup debuts, which was quite interesting. So a couple of, of new teams and maybe some of these teams hadn't really face each other very much. And the format was another round robin, but actually each team on this occasion was playing each other twice instead of once. And then there was a playoff for third place and also a final as well, like a real final. So Jane's right that actually it was very significant that. So I believe that Australia beat England quite roundly in the first match of the round robin. And then Jane, you kind of fought back in that second match of the round robin and you needed to win that game in order to get to that final and face down the almighty Australia.

Yeah, the first game was at North Sydney Oval, where we had a bit of a shocker really. But the second game was at Richmond Cricket Ground in Melbourne. And you know, I actually spoken with Lisa Nye and with Jill Smith in the lead up to this podcast, just to double check that the memories I have of that 1988 weren't my memories of 84, 85. And they were very much like, oh, the atmosphere at the Richmond Cricket Ground was phenomenal because there was a lot of people there and we actually beat them. So, yes, I think it was a shock to everybody, but it was very much as you say, we were thrashed soundly in the first game, but we managed to fight back. And that's a markup. That's where young players, you know, that's where they learn so much in coming back from a heavy defeat. To come back and win the next game was just something quite special, really.

When you talk about that atmosphere then and there being a lot of people there, just paint that picture.

Is this a.

It's a club cricket ground that you're. You're playing at. What is the vibe exactly? Are people sitting around on picnic blankets?

Yeah, yeah, very much like. I don't know if you. You'll have been to Lilac Hill, Alison, but very similar to Lilac Hill in. In Perth in Western Australia. You know, where there are. It's the quintessential Australian cricket model, where people were, as you say, on picnic blankets, brought their own camping chairs. You know, there was. But it just felt a really good atmosphere because it was. The ground was surrounded with people. Whereas, you know, you're probably alluding to the fact that the MCG felt like an empty tin can at times because it's so massive and whilst I think There was about 3,000 there, but it looked like 30 people, you know, when you were there, because it is so massive and they can be hidden. Whereas Richmond was just. It felt like a lot of people were there and the atmosphere, you know, you could feel the buzz, especially as it got closer and closer to which way is it going to go and which team is going to come out on top. So from that perspective, that's the buzz of the game. You know, everybody listening will know that buzz when. When it's getting a close game and which way is it going to go? So that was it really.

So five teams taking part. Which are the grounds staged all the matches then?

Well, we played at Willerton Sports Club in Perth. We only played one game there. I think the others played two games because of the fact there were five teams. I think a lot of teams played two games there and we only played the one. So we were the one that missed out there. But then we went to North Sydney Oval Which, I mean, it's great ground, isn't it? I mean, that's where the Body Line series was filmed. And it's just in many ways that's one of my favorite grounds in Australia, just because I remember that series and can remember the cricket data of it.

And of course went on to stage the final in 2009.

Correct? Yes. So it's, it's a lovely ground. And then we went down to, down to Melbourne and certainly we played at Richmond Cricket Ground, but I think there was a couple of other grounds that I, I don't recall, but I think were used before the final at the mcg.

So Ralph, which are the grounds staged matches then across Australia? Because there's quite a map there being painted by Jane going from Perth, Sydney, Melbourne even.

Right.

All the way across the country.

Yeah, I think because of the fact that it was this bicentennial World cup, they were trying to travel around the country. So there were also some matches in Canberra and in Melbourne. They also used Kerry Oval, a Cary Grammar School oval. So it was actually a school ground, it looks like.

And we talked about the teams that have taken part. Only 5 then why was that? And what's the story around India? Because they were originally invited to take part. They'd taken part in the previous two World Cups. How come they were missing a great.

Question, not 100 sure on the answer to this, but I know that they thought that they were going because they assembled in Delhi for a training camp, camp. And then it seems like perhaps they couldn't get the funding in order to be able to travel. And so the team were actually already gathered and then told, sorry, you can't travel to Australia. So that was a bit of a kind of last minute blow. West Indies were playing together by this point as a kind of collective, but were not financially able to participate. And similarly Denmark as well, who went on to play in the 1993 World cup, so were kind of playing relatively high level women's cricket at this time, couldn't afford to travel, but Ireland were developing quite rapidly at this point. So they'd set up their own Irish Women's cricket union in 1982 and they sort of were yeah, gradually kind of getting up there and so this was quite exciting for them to be able to participate. And Netherlands have got a really interesting history of women's cricket, actually have been playing since the 1930s and were one of the founder members of the International Women's cricket council in 1958. So we might, might look now and go, oh, that's a little bit surprising, but at the time it really wasn't because they were up there and they were kind of playing high level women's cricket.

There's almost a shame really that Netherlands women haven't developed at the same pace as other countries who have gone on to continue to compete at World Cups right up until the present day.

Yeah, absolutely. There's definitely a story to be told there, a kind of unfortunate story of relative decline.

Jane, what were some of the. Your standout memories from the tournaments? And not least, and we've heard, you know, going back to the 1973 tournament where there it was some matches sprinkled in quite a lot of social engagements by 1988. How has that shifted? What was your ratio of. Of matches? Yeah, to time off, if you like.

Interesting, because I think we had a physio at the time, pit Vivian, amazing lady who'd suddenly woken up to the fact that we should be doing some fitness training and things like that. So remember, even before we left, she'd said, this is a great story. She said, I'll meet you at the top of the drive. We were at Lillyshall training and she said, we'll go for a run in the morning, so we'll hop a 7. So we met assembled at Hopper 7 and she turned up in her car and she said, right, as you run down the drive, I'll beat my horn and you can run faster whenever I beat my horn. So you can imagine that led to a lot of team bonding, put it that way. Reverse psychology of people not being very happy about this. But even that, you know, we arrived, we did three days in Singapore en route and we were out training every day in Singapore and we were away for 31 days. And we literally had one day off in that 31 days because we were either flying, training or playing. So it was very much. People realize you had to put a lot more into it, but at the same time there was no balance. It was even when we arrived in Perth, we. I was billeted with my twin sister, which was quite nice because that's. She was based out there because she was based out there by that stage. And she had a park at the end of her road and we were all to assemble in the park. Jill was doing a Barbie for us all. But we. Vivian made us run around this training ground in 100 degrees. We were all absolutely shattered before we had even started. Even in our Union Jack shorts that we'd been gifted from Ron Hill Sports, if anybody remembers that, you know. So, yeah, it was very much. Cricket was central, but it was almost too central.

Jane. I'm guessing that there would have been some eyebrows raised at the Union Jack, Shaw.

Oh, very much so. There was shorts as well, very short.

Because you were still playing in these white culottes that were very traditional. But then you had the Union Jack shorts, correct?

Yes. Well, we, we, at that stage, we used to welcome anything that we were given because otherwise we had to pay for it. So we were given these training shorts and everybody was quite pleased that they had the Union Jack on. And yeah, I mean, now I think, oh, my goodness, did we really wear those? But we did. And then we also got clothing from the Grattan catalogue. You know that. Yeah, I think speaking to some of my teammates, it's like we wouldn't be seen dead in those clothes now. You know, we'd have a little bit more selection, but you just didn't have any option. One of the recollections that one of the team had was that we were all in economy class. I was going to say cattle class, but economy class, you can say that. And Rachel was in business class. Who was Rachel?

Hey, hey, Flint.

Yes. And she came down with champagne for us all. So that was quite nice. Yeah. So you do have little memories that you think, wow. And at the end of every game, there was a great big pewter bucket there and it had beer in it. So you could have a beer at the end of the game if you wanted. You know, I wasn't a drinker in those days, so Pepsi or Coke was my choice. But, you know, those that wanted could have a beer at the end of the game and it was quite acceptable. It wasn't, you know, even considered that that was anything wrong with that. So, yeah, many memories and. But many good memories but completely different.

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And indeed, when you were traveling, did you have a team kit like a uniform away from match days?

Yes, from the Grattan catalog. So we all had the same trousers and blouse, I believe it was, you know, but Lisa Nye says we look Like British Airway stewards, you know. So it was that sort of school uniform type of uniform, rather than a national dress uniform. Yeah.

Tell me about some of the actual cricket that was played in. We've touched on it. But notable that that World cup, you would have come up against Sharon Tredrea, the Aussies. How quick was she with the ball in hand?

Yeah, it's difficult, isn't it? You know, I often think, oh, if only we'd had a speed gun in those days, because Joe Chamberlain was quick, you know, Sharon Tredray was quick. And your mind plays silly games on you as you get older and you think, well, they're as quick as. But were they? I don't know. It's difficult to comprehend, isn't it? The only thing I will say is that the 100 meters record has improved since 1980. So if that's the case, then everything gets proportionately faster and quicker and more powerful. But for the time then, they were very quick, you know, and I think that's all that you can say. I think it's a fool's game to try and compare one generation to another generation at the time, they were the quickest and they were potent forces in the teams.

Any other particular standouts?

Yeah, the final was a real standout because both people I've spoken to from the team both mentioned this, and that is one of my vivid recollections, is that Lindsey Reilla was caught down Lake's side by Lisa and I. She claims it's her best ever career catch, but in those days you just had Australian umpires. You know, you travel to Australia, so you just have Australian umpires. And of course, the. The verdict from the umpire was not out right? They did, but we did have big screens, so they replayed it on the big screen, to which we all stopped literally on the field of play and watched the replay.

So we need to paint. But this is actually at the mcg.

The mcg? Yes. Actually see the deviation. Actually see that it was out, that it was given, not out. And of course there was no Drs. There was no. Please can you review that? Please can we go back? And they would have been 17 for three and our plan would have worked because we'd beaten them with them chasing in the Richmond Ground. We decided that that was going to be our route in the final. It did backfire a little bit because it rained overnight. The Super Supper wasn't used because it was only a women's game.

Well, I wanted to ask you about that.

Yes, I reckon in Some pockets. You could have run five runs easily of the mcg because it's massive. But our plan would have worked because we knew that the middle order of Australia just capitulate when the pressure's on. And 17th for three, that would have been real pressure. Sadly, that's another story because Lindsay Riley was given not out and they went on a Lindsay Rila, who was a brilliant bat. She was the, the equivalent of Jeanette Britton for us. I mean, Jeanette Britton was an outstanding player. Probably she would still be very. She'd blend into any team of any continent, even today. She was a batting superstar, great fielder and she even turned out, turned her arm over and got a few wickets in this World cup, you know, she was outstanding, you know, but it all hinged on that one and part decision. Unfortunately, the final and we missed out. That's the long and short of it. It's taken me a number of years to get over it, you know, because you feel a real failure when you lose in a World cup final. There are times when you think, well, second in the world is not bad, especially to a team like Australia, but you're. You want to win, you know, it's long and short, isn't it?

And just to put a little bit of context onto the significance of the Lindsay Ryler decision, there, she was the tournament overall leading run scorer with 448 runs. She hit two centuries and two half centuries overall in the tournament, including 143 not out against the Netherlands, which back then was the highest score ever in women's ODIs. So she's sort of having this spectacular tournament and is one of those players in a final who's clearly going to be really key if Australia were going to chase down the target that you'd set them, which wasn't a fantastic target because of the kind of the wet conditions. And yeah, I think that Jane, you've actually said to me that Lindsay Ryle herself potentially said, I know I was.

Out at the end of the game. I said, you hit that? And she went, yeah, I did.

That's umpiring. So you batted first, made 127 for 7. But first of all, actually, let's rewind to just the fact that the final was at the mcg. How did that make you feel? What was it like? Where were you changing? Was there any sense of, oh my goodness, what is the size of this place? What was it like compared to where you had come from?

Yeah, I think you never play at any of the iconic grounds, you know, we were. We were lucky on the 18th, 485 tour because we played at the Wacker, the Gabba, the Adelaide Oval, you know, so we'd already played at some of the iconic grounds. Oh, I had in the previous tour and then. But we hadn't played at the mcg. And this was the first ever women's game at the mcg, you know, and it felt big. It felt like. It felt a little bit like we were arriving as a women's cricket. We were arriving because all of a sudden they're starting to give us the venues that we probably warranted. But there's times when I think, you know, do you want to play at the big grounds or would you rather play at the. The Barrel Oval?

You know, because what, about 3,000 people came to the final? It was free entry, wasn't it?

Yeah. And, you know, that was a big crowd for those days. That's probably, you know, it probably was the record crowd at the time, but it still felt a little bit soulless and I think. Yeah, I mean, but amazing. I mean, to be able to say in your lifetime you've played at the MCG is almost as good as saying you played at Lords or to say you played hockey at Wembley, you know, and I've been very lucky because I've had the. The pleasure of being able to say that, you know, and being able to do that, which not many people in life can say they played at these grounds. So, yeah, it was great. And just disappointed that it rained heavily overnight and affected it a little bit, really.

Not using the Super Sopper, though. How had the ground been prepared or not as it. As it sounds?

I think the wicket had been prepared. I think the wicket had been prepared, but I didn't feel that the outfield was looked after as well as it would have done had it been a men's game. But, you know, looking back, you know, I can't believe now we played 60 overs and we were so slow. You know, you sort of look at it and think, oh, my goodness, how the game has changed for the better. For the better. But, you know, some of the scores that people were getting were quite typical for that time. And they weren't looked on as being poor, they were looked on as standards, you know, so it's just how the game changes and evolves, I think, really.

So 127 for 7 in the 60 overs. England with the bats. Jan Britton top scoring that 46 not out. And then the Australians chased it down in inside 45 overs, 44.5 overs it took them RAF from 1988. What do you feel the, if you like come back to that word legacy again. But the significance of the women playing at the final at the mcg, what do you think the, the result of that was from those looking in what media coverage there may or may not have been at that time? What, what was the situation?

I think it did get quite a lot of coverage within Australia actually, partly because it was this tournament happening in the midst of the bicentenary. So that was, that was significant. I, I think it was significant that they were back playing at the mcg. So they had played a couple of women's tests there, but they hadn't. Women hadn't played there since just after the Second World War. So it'd been decades and decades and this was the first kind of women's one day game and obviously women's World cup final played at the mcg. And I think it, you know, we could argue that it paved the way then for women to be playing, you know, for example in March 2020 and actually filling the MCG because you've got to get back in the MCG and get back access to it in order for moments like that to become possible. So I think we can see it as kind of part of the broader history of women's cricket, kind of coming back into the mainstre, into these really iconic, important grounds.

Indeed, the match was broadcast live on radio and on ABC television in Australia. That crowd we mentioned, 3326, the official number and a record was broken. Mentioned Lindsay Rehler, but making 143, not out. Breaking the record for the highest individual scorer for an ODI, beating a record that had been set at the 82 World Cup. That 82 record set by England's Jeanette Britain. So again we've got a sense of landmarks being reached, records being broken. I suppose the World cup we're providing this platform, Jane, for such records.

Yes. And I think, you know, the more opportunity you give to people, the more likely are you are that records will be broken. Jeanette Britain was the standout player, but as I've already said, Lindsay really was very much the Australian version of that. You know, both of them very attractive batters, you know, both of them are glorious covered drives, but could play 360 in a, in an era where you didn't play reverse shots, but you could, they could still access360 with late cuts, with leg glances, you know, et cetera. So you're both very, very talented people and you Know, records are there to be broken, aren't they? You know, you set the bar when you're playing, you don't look at necessarily the records and it's only when you finish that you think, oh, I wish I'd, you know, like my one day international record is 98, not out. Why on earth didn't I get 100? You know, it's like I didn't even think about that being crucial because we'd won the get, you know, we were winning the game. So I won the game, but I didn't even think about, oh, I probably need to get 100, you know. But in those days, you know, there were people. Carol Hodges was player of the series, I think, because she finished third in both the batting and the bowling, you know, so she was player of the series because whilst Lindsey really topped the batting, one of the Australians who topped the bowling, so they weren't in both, whereas Carol Hodges was in both batting and bowling. And you know, it's just there for others to beat. I mean, granted it's 50 overs now, but the pace of the game has moved on so consistently that records will continue to be broken and long may it happen. Really.

Yeah, I was going to finish up with you. Jane. Just on how, when you look back at your experience of the 88 World cup, just how the game has evolved to 20, 25 with the way the shots are played, the, the bowling, the batting skills, where have you seen the greatest development?

I think the biggest development has probably been in fielding because I think there were great batters way back in 88 and there were good bowlers. You know, what's improved has been the fielding for everybody. In those days you had at least two or three people in your team that you knew couldn't field. You know, so you're trying to hide them, whereas now you can't hide anywhere because there were no reverse shots, for example. So you knew you could quite clearly just put somebody down short, third man or gully, and it won't go to them very much. Or you could go fine leg and they won't be going there very much because most people were playing in front of the, in front of square. But I think the approach, the fielding, the power hitting has improved. The bats, technology has improved because the bats are so much. You know, I picked up a club, a couple of bats from the girls who are playing now and I'm like, wow, if you can't hit a six with that, then no one you shouldn't be playing, really. Because in comparison, our bats mean, my bat was, I think it was three pound two or something. You know, it was very light in comparison to what they use now and very thin in comparison nowadays the middles of the bat. So technology has increased, the training of the girls has increased and therefore power hitting has increased. Bowling pace has possibly increased. But I'm still a great believer that the people who have the most impact in the women's game are the spinners. And I think that's because the fielding's improved, then the spinners have become more effective as well.

Jane and Raf, great to get your memories and your insights. Ralph on the 1988 Women's World Cup. Thanks for being on the TMS podcast.

Thank you.

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