7 Apr 2025 · 74 min
Jack and ASD break down Tottenham's season as it winds down, weighing recent matches, player form, and what comes next for Spurs. They dig into whether this stretch matters and what the club needs to fix.
Hello and welcome to Echoes of Glory. I'm asd.
I'm Jack.
Hey, man, how you doing? Welcome. Welcome back.
Thank you. Interesting, Interesting game today.
Well, you've been on an international break.
I have. I was in sunny Valencia last week watching some proper football. I did joke with my dad because. So it was Valencia won Majorca nil. The game I went out and saw, I didn't go for that, but there was just a game while I was out there and I actually text my. My dad and said to him, I can't remember the last game I went to live and the away team didn't score. And it was. It was about two years ago was the last time because the odd clean sheet we've kept Spurs, I just haven't been at that game, but I was proper racking my brains. I was like, no, I think I've got it. It was Burnley. And he was like, no, no, Burnley scored. And I had a couple in my head where I was like, that was a clean sheet game. It was like, oh, no, no, actually the away team scored and I was just like. So it felt quite strange to not be sat in the majority, you know, of the supporters that were cheering the home team on and. And have that moment of ugh with them. But all always, always great to watch football abroad, that's for sure. And for anybody that's not been. The Mastia is a class old stadium full of character. They're having massive ownership issues in Valencia at the moment, which is really interesting. And there were so many similarities between Valencia and Spurs. It was incredible. But the stadium is go. Is in the process of getting a new one and knocking the odd one down, but they've run out of money, so I don't know how long it's going to be, but I've just always wanted to go. So it was really, really nice to be able to get there and see it before it does go. But there's so much. Honestly, it's a club that's got so much history in Spain, but they're sort of forgotten about a little bit. They are a proper sleeping giant of. Of La Liga.
How are Mallorca? How were they like? I can't imagine they're a massive team.
They're not. They. They nearly went down last year. They're having their. One of their best ever seasons. They're pushing for Europe. So it was a really big game for them, actually, and they got beat and, you know, it was a game that they should have won. Majorca were also very similar to Spurs. Because it was like a go away from home, can you, you know, can you get, get the job done? And then they couldn't. But there's a lot of English fans that are really rooting for Mallorca to get into Europe because can you imagine Mallorca away? Can you imagine. That would be something else, wouldn't it?
Amazing.
But no, it was a great experience. Like, I'm, I'm fortunate that I've been able to go and watch football, you know, abroad in Spain and in Italy and it's, it's an amazing experience for, as a supporter to just go and watch it and it just, it just all feels completely different. So, yeah, it was, it was a great, great weekend. A great experience.
Very good players who played for Tottenham and Valencia.
Oh, there's the, the obvious one in Soldado. Soldado isn't there. And that didn't go too well for us, to put it politely. Put me on the spot. Did Fazio come from Valencia or was he Seville? Maybe he was from Seville.
I've got.
Oh, yeah, another one.
Brian Gill, Musa Sahib and then Elish Sulola. I do not know who Elish Sulola is at all, but I just had to look at the best players who've ever played. Oh, is it. Oh, it's, it's for the women's team. Nice. The greatest ever Valencia players. There's some decent players in here. Kempez, Pablo Aimar, David Villa. One of my all time favorite strikers, David Villa, only ever scored beautiful goals.
At one point they had Villa Mata. And Silva.
And Silva, yeah.
You know, so they've had some great players and it was in the early 2000s where they had an amazing period. There's sort of a four or five year period where I think they won four or five trophies. You know, they won La Liga, they won the UEFA Cups, the Europa League, they won the Super Cup. So they had an amazing. But I think Mendieta was at the heart of that.
Yeah, yeah.
If I remember rightly. And Mendy has Viennetta, wasn't it? That was the soccer thing when he came over and played in England and. But they've had some great, great players that seem to have like, you know, come through their academy and then gone on to bigger and better things. But there was an amazing bit of history about the club that I learned while I was out there, which was that when, you know, Spain dominated those three tournaments in a row where they won Euros, World cup euros, which was ridiculous, the Valencia Academy had produced like over 50% of that squad.
That's crazy.
Which you just. I had no idea. I just. Whenever you think of Spain, whenever I think of Spanish football, I'm like, where did. What academy do the players come out of? I'm like, well, they come out of Barcelona. That's.
Yeah, that's.
But actually like that period. But just Valencia had produced tons and tons and tons. What about Iago fal? Was he Valencia?
No. Let me have a look up. I always hoped big things for him. He was in the background of when I was going along.
He was a FIFA. He was a FIFA player when he got really good on FIFA.
Plays in the Costa Rican Primera Division at the moment. Juventus came on loan to us, played for us. Almera Vaticano, De Noa, Roma, Torino and then out.
So not Valencia?
No, he came from Melbourne. Well, he was in the Real Madrid and then Barcelona youth set up, but that's it. Cool. You can tell it's a Tottenham podcast because we're not talking about Tottenham.
Even though we did win today. I heard a thing which was. It was our. Our fifth home win of the season on the commentary and I was like. I was like, that can't be right. But yeah, I guess it is. Unbelievable.
Fourth win of this calendar year or something. Craz.
Did you watch it today?
I was teaching Zoe how to ride my bike.
Fair enough. Because it was a really weird game. Like it. I've watched two games today, obviously watched us against Southampton and watching Manchester Derby and like this season, which has been a really. I thought it's been a really exciting Premier League season. It feels like it's just died.
It's just gone well. Before we were talking about the. The similarities between Valencia and Tottenham before we start recording and we talked about the Premier League and how actually if you took. Was it 9th versus 13th team, you'd have a similar level of quality. But I was thinking, is the Premier League a great league right now? Because you go, City aren't performing at all. I. I really don't think Arsenal are that good. I don't know how they're doing so well. I don't think they're a good team at all. Liverpool have run out of steam, but they, they have been a great team this year. But they're about to lose their three best players. Like their whole spine is about to go. They. They're gonna have to spend 300 million to match Salah's goals. Virgil van Dijk, like center back dominance.
Mad, isn't it?
Like, how does this happen? I don't know why there aren't People going like how are we letting Alexander Arnold go on a free? How has that happened? And Salah who's going to be the best player in the league. How are we letting him go for free? I don't. I don't understand it. So then you go Liverpool, Arsenal and Forest. Great job. Chelsea, not a great team. But they're in fourth City. And then you're into Villa, Newcastle. Like good teams but they're not great teams. None of them are great teams.
I think. I think you've got a league of prob. Probably five or six. We got three absolutely woeful sides. They're newly promoted. Jimmy. They're all going straight back down.
They're just.
They're so profit. Then you've probably got four, four, five teams above that who are poor sides. So us, Everton, West Ham, Man United, Wolves. They're. They're poor teams. They're really poor sides. And then above that you've probably got what like 9 or 10. Like slightly better than average. Like oh good. Good teams. And then you've got Arsenal and Liverpool who are. They're not. I don't think that they're like elite sides. They're. They're strong. But it's just a bit of a weird season. Like it. It has been. I feel like it's been really good up until about two or three weeks ago. And now everything just feels like it's decided. The only sort of. The only thing that there's a bit of a race for is just those Champions League spots because that, that. That is between quite a few teams. Because I didn't realize like Fulham are only like four points behind City now. So like they're. They're right in the mix. But without, without. Without sounding disrespectful. It's like if Fulham or you know, if Fulham got in a Champions League it's like you know what's that say for the Premier League? Like really like it's not great.
Like Newcastle are three points behind Chelsea and fourth with two games in hand. Like they can. They can get there quite easily.
And then I think, see I think Newcastle were quite a good side.
Yeah, I mean tonali goal of the season so far and they like they play Leicester next, they win that they're up to fourth. Man United's palace. Like these are all winnable games. Villa's a massive game. Ipswich, Brighton, Chelsea, they can win these games.
I think next season is. Has got to be the most wide open for the title that I can ever remember.
Yeah.
Because you like you said Your point on Liverpool. God if all three of them go they are in big, big trouble. You think that they'll.
Van Dyke's gonna stay right Because Alexander Arnold has gone. Salah is making all these noises. He's going to probably Saudi Arabia. He's going to bucket loads of money like what, what more does he need to win? He doesn't need to win anything. And so you go Van Dyke. But how old is van dyke now?
33, 34?
Yeah. So he's got what one or two good years left in him being an elite level and I would argue he's not even elite level. He's a dirty player this season. I mean he's always been a bit dirty but another elbow today I'll tell.
You it remind Liverpool reminds me a lot of us but just at a higher level that like that whole team is about to finish at the same time because you think as well like Andy Robertson, I know his contract's not running out but like he looks like he's about to go like in terms of his performances. So that whole spine of that team that dominated is, is gone pretty much unless they can pull you know, amazing deal out the, out of the hat and, and keep a couple of them. But like that. So Liverpool, I mean trouble City. Who knows like, who knows like they're just not, they're not a pep team this season, are they? They're not. But you just wonder what will they do in the summer? What will all of the 115 charges, what's that going to bring on Going to get found not guilty. What's going to happen there? You look at Chelsea again like you said they're not a great team but like they've just got a bottomless pit of cash. So what will they do?
I think they're going to sell a bunch of players and spend big on a couple of players and they'll be a real threat next season.
I really, really do.
I don't think they've got a great.
Squad now but they could sell a lot of their players that don't play for 20, 30 mil a piece. If you do that. If you sell eight or nine of them business in you and then you look at Arsenal and you say well out of all of those teams up there they're probably the most stable. But then they've not been able to do it yet. So it's like can they do it or like have they peaked as well? Do you know what I mean? So it's like I think it's exciting going into Next year. Because it's wide open I think for anybody to say let's go for it.
Apart from Tottenham Hotspur.
Yeah. I mean there's. There's no way that like if we, if I genuinely think that we are next season we'll be in a. We'll. We could find ourselves in a relegation battle next season.
No way. No. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't think so. I think we'll. We'll have a new manager and we'll talk about that. But I think son will go. I think we'll say thank you and goodbye to son. Like a big thank you.
So I think that would be such a mistake for us to let him go.
Do you reckon? That surprises me coming from you.
Yeah. And he's not the player that he was. He's really, really not. I'm still convinced he's been playing with injuries all season because you just don't see him sprint ever anymore.
No, he's not a winger either.
I just think that if he goes straight away who we. Who we going and getting in.
We'Re gonna buy tell. That's what's gonna happen. And it's the Liverpool problem, right? You can lose Salah and you can go oh you know we got Jota and we got Nunes, we got. But you go they're not replacing. They're not replaced. It's like we. You can't replace Kane and you. We've gone down a level with Solanke. Slanky's great but he's no Kane. And we'll go down a level with son and suddenly we are a mid table club.
The other thing that worries me about if sun goes is what the hell to do with the captaincy. And I'm not saying that that's the reason that you keep sun but I look around that team and there is not one person that I want to be captain.
I'm giving it Bergval.
Oh my word.
Well he gives it every game for me. He can start every game. I never want to supersuma play for us again but I. But who? Who else?
And this is a massive promise. And I don't. I like son as captain because like he's a good guy. Do you know what I mean? So. But. But I just look round and I'm like he's not a. He's not a leader in the traditional sense. Like I think he's a good captain and a good ambassador for Spurs. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm. I'm I'm proud that he is the face of spurs, do you know what I mean? But then on the pitch it's like, is he a leader? Leader? I don't think he is. But I just don't, I don't look round at that spurs team and think that there's someone there that I'm like, who can I hang my hat on? That week in, week out is going to give me a good performance and give everything and like I don't think that there's anyone and I get your point. Bergval and Gray have sort of shown it but then it's like giving them the captains is just like, it's a massive thing, isn't it?
Massive thing. But Rice was made captain of West Ham Young, wasn't he? Oda is captain of Arsenal.
But then my only argument with that is I feel like those players have shown that they've got that character, do you know what I mean? To lead. And when it's tough and I get your point about Bergval, I completely get that. It just makes me very nervous. Like it makes me very, very nervous.
That, you know, I'm a risk taker. And that's exactly what it is. It's about going, look, this is your chance to step up. It's just sticking a rocket up Madison's ass. And.
You know what, I don't want to moan too much, Bren. It was a typical Brandon Johnson game today, by the way, where he didn't really do anything, gets his goals and it's like when he does that Fanta, like we said it all season long, right? Brilliant. But then it's like if he has a game where he doesn't score, he doesn't bring anything to the team whatsoever. But he did well today with his finishes. Madison, I don't get him. I just don't get it like at all. I was so excited when we bought him and I thought that's the type of player that spurs should be going out and getting.
Yeah.
But again if, if you were to get a supporter of every other club in the Premier League and say to them, do you want Madison? Probably only half. Half are taken. A lot of teams would go, nah.
I think spurs are a fourth or fifth base team most of the time. Right. Because most of the other teams pay more wages and some pay bigger salary, a bigger transfer, budgets, that's cool. I always think, would they go up to a top four team or would they go down? Sun has always been able to go up for me. I think some could go into Chelsea could go up. Not sure mad some would right now.
No way, no way. Like, if you look at the sides, like someone like palace wouldn't take him. They're like, no, we'll keep E like, you know what I mean? Like, and like, he can't get anywhere in the England team. It's just been disappointing. I just, I just want him to do more in games. He's one of them players that, like, even when he's had good games, I still come away being like, could you have done more? You know, I will reserve judgment because.
Of the style of football or the lack of plan that we've got. Like, I, I, you can't judge players based on this manager's, the way this manager treats them, I don't think. And that's why I was thinking about Bergwald, because there's some games where he could do more, some games where he could be better, but he just does the best that he can in that situation. And I think we're so bereft of anything going forward, really. It's worse than Harry and just kick it about a bit. Like, at least that was a plan and it was helpful that you had, you know, Modric Crouch, Defoe Bale Lenin in that team. What do you do in that team? Like, we don't play with the midfield, like, and it's so hard not having a midfield to back him up. So he, he has so many more jobs to do. I'm not defending him because if you're of that age and calibre, you should be dominating more. But I'm sure he could slot into City and actually be a lot, lot better.
I, I, I do agree with the point that a lot of the players are being asked to do just too much. And I actually had a similar conversation during the Chelsea game in the week about Bentoncor and that I like Bentonko. I think he's a good player. I know you've sort of always said, would any of the top teams take him? And they probably wouldn't. But I look back at the last couple of years under Ange has, has any midfielder that we've got played well in that sitting role for five or six consecutive games. None of them have, like, not one player has been able to, to do it. There's been the odd, odd, like really good performance from somebody, but then like the next game, like they're really struggling and I, I think that's another case in point and that that City midfielder is asked to do absolutely everything. Like they have to, you know, be the one that's getting the ball and, you know, passing, passing forward. They've got to be the one that's winning the ball back. They've got to be pressing. They've got to be controlling the temp of the game. Like, it's. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Like, fully this week, like after the Chelsea game. Not that I expected us to go there and get anything, because we never have done, but I just wanted a bit of. I wanted a performance. I wanted us to do something. Like, even if it's like, you know, we get beat by a few goals, but, like, we give everything like it. We just huffed and puffed. We didn't really do anything. We didn't do anything. I didn't think, like, particularly bad, but, like, in a way, I'm like, I'd rather us try something and it go wrong. We just. We don't really do anything anymore. Do you know what I mean?
You know, the moment he lost me. Was that the Chelsea game two years ago in November 23, where we lost. What was it, 5:2? Is it 5:2? And he said, you know, I'm happy because they. They commit to play my style and we'll win games and I'm happy with them. And we haven't got a style. We haven't played like that. And so you fast forward 18 months later and you go, well, where is that, then? Because what is the plan anymore? Like, there doesn't seem to be anything and he just. He just seems to have lost. Lost his heart a little bit. I'm not saying he hasn't got the bottle. I'm not saying he hasn't got the courage. I just. I think he's compromised a little bit. I don't think his values were. And his playing style was good enough, but he's compromised on that, which I think there's a little bit of praise that should be given to him for that, but I just don't think he's good enough.
I'm with you. And I know we've been absolutely decimated with injuries this season. I've never seen anything like it. So I don't expect us to be up there on 50 odd points challenging for top four space. I don't expect that with the injuries we've had, I think it would be unfair to sit and be like, we should be up there. But we've lost 16 games at our 31. Like, even with all those injuries, like, look at other teams this season. Bournemouth have also had horrific injuries. They've only lost 10 games last season. Newcastle, people forget about this. I think they finished eighth Newcastle last year and they were destroyed. They didn't have a back four. Did they feel like most of the season similar to us really. And like they still finished respectably. Whereas like we are. We're only five points in front of Wolves. And like we play Wolves next and like do you expect. Do you honestly think that like we'll go to Wolves and. And win? Like, I just can see us going there. We get beat and Wolves are right on top of us. And like there is a. There is a really, really realistic situation this season where we finish 17th, 17th.
How mad is that?
Because you look at it as they honestly, we've got to play Wolves. I think we'll find that hard. We've got to go away to West Ham. Like absolutely no chance. We've still got to go to Anfield. We've got to go to Villa. We've got Forest at home. And they're just games off the top of my head that we've still got to play. And I can't see how we don't lose the majority of them. Like we will end. We will end this season with 20 league defeats. Like there's seven. Seven games to go. And I. I genuinely think like Forest will get beat, Liverpool will get beat, Villa will get beat. And then there'll be another game somewhere where we will lose.
Wait, let me. Let me read them out to you. So we got Wolves. We have to beat Wolves.
I just. I'm not honestly, like I look at it, we. We've got. We're playing Thursday. We've got Frankfurt Thursday night and then Wolves at the weekend. I just cannot see how we are able to turn it round on Sunday after that game. First night, win, lose or draw. Yeah.
Then Frankfurt, then Forest.
I genuinely look at it like we've got in the league. Wolves away. Forest at home. Liverpool away. West Ham away. I think that's four defeats.
I think we're winning two of them. We're beating Wolves and we're beating West Ham. Because I'm not living in a world where we're going and we're losing to West Ham. But then Palace, Villa, Brighton. I'm not seeing us getting any points there. The good thing about the Liverpool game is the. The title's done. But they can't win the league against us now because I don't think so.
That would have been just to have all of the things to have like rounded off the season. It would have been, wouldn't it? To have Been going to Anfield and like, seeing them win the League against us.
I might be wrong there. I could be wrong. But I mean, well, I don't know what's going on. I watched Arsenal, Everton yesterday. That was an insane game. Like, two not very good teams, really. Arsenal should have. Should be beating them quite comfortably if they want to. I just. Joyless, isn't it?
The rest of the season makes me really, really nervous just because I look at the sides we've still got to play. And I just think, I don't look at any of those games. Wolves, Forest, Liverpool, West Ham, Palace, Villa, Brighton. I don't look at any of those games and feel confident in any of them. In any of them. Like, I just, I don't see, like, if we didn't win again this season in the League, that would not surprise me. No, that would not surprise me. And then I just. I can't believe that we are probably going to finish the season with 20 league defeats. Because let's face it, we're definitely getting beat at Liverpool and at Villa. We're definitely getting beat there.
And Forest beating us as well. Brighton will beat us.
That's what I mean. We don't have a particularly good record at West Ham.
Then the only game that's left is Wolves. I love how people are talking about, oh, we need to beat, we need to win the Europa League. Who? Who? What? What football? Have you been watching us thinking that we're the Europa League?
I, I honestly, like, I, I find it hilarious. And, like, I do think that there is just such a level of disrespect about, like, we're playing Frankfurt, who are third in the Bundesliga. Like, yeah, they're not, they're not struggling. Do you know what I mean? Like, at the bottom half, bottom half of the League or anything like that. Like, they're third in the league. Like, they're obviously a pretty good side. Like, they're going to be playing in the Champions League probably next season because of their league position.
Yeah.
And it's just like, oh, we can beat Frank first. I don't think we can. I don't think.
When have we been great in Europe? We talked about this on the last pod. Is there anything you want to say about the Chelsea game?
I just hate it. I hate that fixture. That fixture. Because, like, you, you know what's gonna happen. And I said to myself before the game, we're gonna get beat here. Don't get frustrated. And we were losing one nil. And I was like, oh, it's happening. And then the star squad. I went nuts. I went absolutely nuts, like thinking, come on, like, here we go, we're back in it. And then obviously it gets disillusioned and I'm in it then. Yeah. I mean, my emotions are now higher and just the level of frustration and I just. It was the fact that, you know, in that game there was what, like, was it seven or eight minutes of added time at the end?
Yeah.
And like, we didn't even like, get the boy in the box. We didn't even get it forward. Don't. We just played it around. And you're a bit like, what did you make of all the. And stuff with his cup in his ear and all that.
I. I was so angry at that. Do you know, I was more angry at the lion afterwards. Oh, you know, I wanted them to, to make more noise. That's not how you make more noise that nobody, nobody has ever gone to. To your own fans and cut their ears to ask them to make more noise. You wave your hand up, you don't turn away and cup your ear. It's. It's so spursy that the manager cups his ears at his own fan for a goal that was disallowed away at Chelsea. For me, he's asking to be. He's asking to be made. He's asking to be sacked. He's asking for it.
Yeah. He's doing exactly what Conte and Jose did now, where he's now just going completely rogue. There's a comment this week that's like, oh, I've been here for almost two seasons. That's good for Spurs.
Yeah.
And like, I just. He's. He has lost it. He's completely lost it. I just, I. I think I'm. I've come round to just the agreement probably the last couple of months that he is just out of his depth. Like, I don't. I still think he's a good guy at heart, but I just think he's so out of his debt. We've all. We always relate this back to everyday jobs. We've all seen people that go into a job that's too big for them and they're out of their depth and like, you're just then waiting for the inevitable. Oh, that person's. That person's gone. And that's what it feels like. But I'm just. I'm. I'm worried about just where we're going as well. That's my other piece. It's like, Ang is going to be gone. He's not going to be the manager at the start of next season. Who the hell is going to be the manager for me? There are zero standout candidates in the Premier League. Zero. That make me go, yes, that's somebody that we can, you know, build something around and has got an idea of what they're doing. I don't have enough knowledge about what's happening in Italy, in Germany and in Spain beyond a handful of teams. But there must be some up and coming managers somewhere in Europe that are doing good jobs. Like, again, without knowing the backstory about Frankfurt season. They're doing well. Mines are doing well in the Bundesliga. Like, there have to be managers out there who are massively overachieving on a bit of a shoestring budget. But I'm just nervous that where are we going next year? You know what I mean? Like, who are we? You know, usually when we, when spurs have been struggling, you sort of look around in the Premier League and in sort of some other leagues and you go, we could get that person. And like, actually they'd be pretty good for us. They'd, you know, they'd help kick us on a little bit. I don't, I don't. Honestly, I've got absolutely no idea what direction we would turn.
No. And I don't even know what the. The theory would be because you've gone and got Mourinho, you've got Conte. I think I missed Conte a little bit. I know, I know, I know. But I think we miss him a little bit. Then you go right and attacking, like, who's left? Like, what style do you go for next? For me, the problem with Ange was you can't come into the Premier League and go, I've got my style. It's the way we play. Like, no manager has got a style that they play. Guardiola might have one, but he. One, changes it around by the opposition that he's got. And two, had unlimited money and the best players in the world. You can do that at Barcelona, where you've got Bushcat, Xavi Iniesta and Messi. Like, there's nothing you can do about those. Fight four players, there's nothing you can do. So you just gotta play them like they couldn't play another way. But you can't come into the Premier League and go, we're an attacking team. No team's an attacking team. Every team's got flexibility. And that, that's always annoyed me. And I don't know where we go. I. I don't know where we go Because I don't know everyone, everyone hates Levy. I, I don't know what the alternative is as well because you can go, well, who's the new owner going to be? You want someone who loves the club, Levy loves the club. You want someone who's going to invest money in the club. We have actually invested a lot of money in the club. We just don't pay the wages and we don't. The way we go after players I think is poor. You know, we don't. If folks are wanting to play, you go, I want that player and I want it done the first day of the transfer window. Whereas we leave it late and we get our second or third choice because he tries and get goes gets a bargain bin.
And also who, who, who is going to want to come and buy spurs at the moment? And I know we've got this brilliant stadium and the training round all that and like financially the club's doing well but like the valuation that they've got of, of the club is absolutely enormous. Who's like, who's gonna come and buy it? Like if you've got money to burn and you're like so rich that you go, I know it'll be fun. I like let's, let's play around with a football club for the next decade. Are you gonna go, let's buy Tottenham.
You have got a ground which is, and a hotel and the best training, training ground. You've got money coming in. You're the third most profitable team in sports team in the world. It's a money making machine.
But then with a new owner coming, you'd assume, wouldn't you? A new owner coming in with loads of money is going to pump tons and tons into it.
So like no. Or take money out. Look at what man, what's happened to Man United. They might have been shut down. And this is the point. I don't know what the alternative is. Like he's, he's got in, he's gone. We saw what happened with Leeds. Leeds went down and spent 20 years in the DOS because they tried. They, they spent one season where they put all their eggs in one basket and it didn't hatch. And so they're trying to go, well we, who do you want to be? Do you want to be City? They probably want to be Liverpool, right? But Liverpool spend a lot of money and pay a lot of wages and they make more money than us. We can't be that. And so what's the alternative? I don't want a, a country owning Spurs. I Don't want to. And that's the problem. What is funny, it was a great article, wasn't there? I saw it on Reddit about our three top managerial targets and Silver and Frank were one of them. Since that article went out, they lost all five of their games. Yeah.
Well, here, Iola, the Iriola one's interesting, isn't it? Because, like, they've. He's still done an amazing job. But I think that. I don't want to say they've been found out, but they've been found out a little bit, haven't they? Bournemouth, the thing.
Look at Potter. Like, we were all after Potter. Look at him, he's dog now. Like, he's just. He. He had a moment, he had a specific situation, specific setup that worked for him and now it's not working.
Do you know what? I genuinely believe that if he hadn't have gone in at West Ham and was still available, that we would have sacked Ange and we would have had Potter. Yeah, I could just. I could have so seen that.
There's the. I did see again on Reddit, the. There's a Bologna. So it. So far this year, 11 wins, five draws, one loss. He's called Vicenzo Italiano. Vinnie Italy, they're smashing it and they're a tiny club. He might be the sort of player man that we go after. For me, do you know what's worse? What players are going to come to Spurs. Well.
And what. What players are going to stay?
Romero's gone.
Romero's gone. I. I also worry about the goalkeeper.
Do you?
Honestly, I think he's. I think we've got a really good keeper in Vicario. And like, he, he surely. What is he, 27, 28? Like, he's. He's gonna, He's a good. He's soon gonna be approaching his goalkeeping prime. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, I don't know, I just look at that and go, I think he's a really good keeper. Vicario, surely there'll be sides out there that need a goalkeeper.
He's 20, he's 28. I, yeah, I know what you mean, but honestly, you can say this about. You can go for it. Can you, Spence? Udogi, Van de Ven, all of them could go to a better team right now, but they could all, they all, they're all. They almost look around and go, do you know what? We've got a great keeper. Two center backs, left back, two left backs, some great midfielders, some up and coming talent. A good striker, some good wingers. Actually there's a team in here that isn't playing very well.
Do you just think that everything is just a bit comfortable as best.
All the managers have said like it's just too eat. Like you remember what Larisse said about in his autobiography as well like celebrating getting to final. There's just no winner's mentality. Like it's not good enough. And you hear about these stories about Real Madrid in the in and Man United in the. On the bus on the way home from the Champions League final having won it, where they're discussing how they're going to win it next year. There's no one that spurs like that right now.
It's just. It's. It's worrying. Would you take Potch back?
I don't know what's he done really?
I mean. I mean, I have the exact same reaction to you because I've been asked that a few times this week about pottery and I just go, I don't know. I'm such a believer. And you shouldn't go back.
And let's not forget the team he had then was remarkable. Like we had that front four Dele Eriksen son Kane firing on all cylinders. We had a great goalkeeper, we had a great back four. Like he had a great team there and it just. It peaked and then he couldn't rebuild. We had our moment. Yeah.
He's an ex girlfriend and it's like there will be Pochettino equivalents from other leagues.
Exactly.
That were somewhere for, you know, five, six years. Did really well, left then got a bigger job and it didn't work out. Two bigger jobs and it's not really worked out. Like would we be wanting that type of person? Probably not. We. I feel like we probably only want him because it's him.
If, yeah, if he hadn't been with us, we wouldn't go. We want that. H Chelsea PSG United States manager who's got off losing to Panama. I want 2018 Poch.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't want 20, 25 Podge. Plus we'd have to wait an extra year. So what do we do next year? Because he's not leaving before the World cup and Levy isn't paying for him.
No. Absolutely no way. Worrying times ASD ahead. Worrying times. I tell you what is going to be really interesting when we get to the end of this season and we do our season review and we decide player of the season moment of the season. You know, it's like, what the hell is that going to be.
Do you know Johnson's our first goal scorer to hit 10 Premier League goals this season? Oh.
There you go. There you go.
This is what's made me think. It's like we had a player who kept us in it. We had the best striker in the world. If he had left five years ago, we'd be something similar.
Well, I do think that people look back and don't realize that Conte and Mourinho both had prime Kane and son. Like, and I do believe that, like, if you gave Ange this season prime Kane and son, I'm not saying we'll be changing for fourth, but we'd be significantly better off. Significant. Significantly. But the same as if you put that part. It's the greatest Premier League partnership, attacking partnership there's ever been. So if you put, if you put those two in any team, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna elevate you. But it does show you, doesn't it? Like, it was really, really, really good. Keynes last year, he scored 30 goals, didn't he, for us?
Yeah, like.
And Johnson's just hit 10.
Just hit 10.
And it's like it's not on Johnson to score 30, but like that shows.
You, doesn't it, someone to score. I know Slinky's been out, but it's on someone to score more than nine goals.
All of your attackers to be getting 15. It's funny.
It doesn't hurt. Like last few seasons it's been depressing. There's a lot of joy that's left me with spurs at the moment. You know, I watch a lot of old videos just because they're far more. I watched that Chelsea, the three one the other day because that's. We've won one game there in, in 30 games and that was it. That was great. That was real peak for me.
I just, yeah, it's. It's just worrying to see where, where is spurs going? That's the, that's the thing that makes me the most nervous.
Well, they should be worried because we're talking about this. We love Spurs. I would properly love Spurs. Right. I've got some quizzes for you if you want.
Always love a quiz.
Some of them are ridiculous, but let me. Oh, yeah, I'll give you these three. Eight players who played for Tottenham Hotspur and, and Manchester United.
Eight is this. And this is in the Premier League era.
In the Premier League era, you should be able to get seven right.
Dimitar Berbatov.
Dimitar Berbatov. Don't let Me put these in a little sheet.
So as many as eight. Michael Carrick.
Michael Carrick.
Teddy Sheringham.
Right. Carrick, Sheringham. Berber.
I'm going through, like position by position.
There's one player who died and came back to life.
Oh, Christian Erickson. I might not. I might have not got him. He might have been. He might have been one where it's like Regulon. Reggie.
And I was just gonna Google ways.
To give you clues about him. Sneaky. Can we just say Regulon has had the most unbelievable career path. Real Madrid, Tottenham. Loan to Atletico, Loan to Man United. Brentford, like.
Yeah.
And he's still at Spurs.
See. Yeah.
Regularly still. It's best.
It's not good enough, is it?
Louis. Louis Saha is one.
So there's one we got. I think he was on loan as part of us when we saw striker. Yeah.
Fraser Campbell.
Fraser Campbell.
Good job, didn't he? He scored on his debut in the League cup against Liverpool and everyone was like, oh, here we go. And I think that was the only goal he scored.
Yeah. The other one he currently for Eskilstuna. He's 32 years old. He's from Manchester. He was youth player at Manchester United. Went to stand for the age.
We got him. Then he went to Palace. We got him controversially.
That's it.
We got him. Controvert Friars.
Zeki Friars.
Seki Friars. That was his name. Friars. Yeah. Left back, wasn't he? Left back.
Good job, man. Yeah, really good job.
There's actually quite a lot of recent ish players there.
All recent, like.
Yeah.
The other was what?
Carrick, Teddy Sherinham.
Oh, yeah, Left.
Left to win the treble and then came back. Fair enough. Fair enough.
Right then, six players to have played for us at Manchester City.
Oh, that's a good one. Emmanuel Adebayor Emmanuel at the Boyle. Vedran Chorluca.
Good.
This is Premier League era again, is.
Is. Yeah. All these are Premier League.
Oh, goalkeeper.
Easy.
Goalkeeper.
Really went to Scotland after us.
Oh, Joe Hart.
Joe Hart.
There's another goalkeeper in there.
Not according to this list.
Is there not?
No. I've got two defenders in the midfielder.
Why did I have a memory if there'd been another goalkeeper, someone like Martin Fullop or someone like that, that. It was like a weird emergency.
I know what you mean.
Maybe not.
Defender. Fathered loads of kids. Plays in Italy now.
Our Car Walker.
Yeah.
I was just sitting there thinking, like, have. Have we done many dealings with them recently on players.
Right. Player defenders with us. 2000s, 2003. Oh.
Any other close.
He almost killed Pedro Mendez.
Oh, Ben Thatcher. That's. That's the legacy.
Yeah.
Isn't it? That is the legacy. That is for anyone that's never seen that. Just YouTube. Ben Thatcher, Pedro Mendez. It's not even a challenge.
He should have been reported to the police for that.
It was just incredible.
He's a. He was a manager. He managed Port Vale, but he was at City and he went Sheffield United, Then spurs from 2004 to 2006.
Michael Brown.
Michael Brown.
Michael Brown loves a brawl. He was terrible for us. He was absolutely terrible for us. He was all right. Are you including. No, I was going to say Kieran. Kieran Trippy is the other one. But then he never played. Played.
And what was the one? Poro as well? Was it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, I've got. How many have I got here? 6, 15 goalkeepers. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. Yeah. 16 goalkeepers who've kept a clean sheet for us in the Premier League.
Oh, amazing. Amazing.
I can give you how many clean sheets they kept for us as well in the Premier League.
Love it. Do you want me to just start wrapping names off?
Yeah. 127.
Larisse.
Larisse, yeah.
Go other goalkeepers. I'm gonna assume Vicario has 11. Okay, good. Fraser Forster.
Fraser Forster had. Kept four.
Yeah. Kinsky kept one at Brentford.
Good, mate.
Unbelievable.
You should get these then.
We've said Hugo Gomez, 32.
Guducini Kuduccini kept two. I loved Carlo Cottuccini.
Yeah. Paul Robinson, England's number one.
Robbo 36.
Our third best loved Robbo.
Tony, Bright green kit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking.
This.
I was gonna. I was gonna say, is Raddick Cherney a rogue one?
He's an F5.
Yeah. Because he had that period, didn't he, where he was playing. Yeah. Over Robinson, Emoker Esmondson.
I was just looking at what country he's from, so I could give you a clue.
How many am I on?
You've got six left. There's a Viking and then there's a USA.
Oh, Brad Friedle. That's terrible. I forgot. Brad.
14. And that's not the USA that I was thinking of. Casey Keller is in our old theme tune.
Casey Keller. Eric Torsfet.
Casey Keller. Eric talks about Casey Keller. Looks really like the Prince of Wales right now. And I don't mean Gareth Bale.
I'm gonna Google him.
I'm gonna send you a Picture.
If you google him, like he. It doesn't look like that's the same person in all the pictures. It looks like, oh that's his, that's his cousin. And then oh, that's his uncle. It doesn't look like that's the same person at all. Right, we're back now into like the right mid-90s, aren't we?
No one. I'll give you a clue. Full phone coach.
I didn't say Joe Hart.
He's not on here.
That doesn't surprise me.
So you've got a guy who's born in Sutton. He went Wimbledon, Tottenham, Chelsea.
Oh, that's shocking for me. That's shocking for me. He was a great goalkeeper. Neil Sullivan.
Neil Sullivan, Good. Now there's two recent ones but they did four and three respectively. One. I don't think we should have got rid of Gazaniga. Gazaniga.
You liked him. You had a bit of a thing for him, didn't you?
You know, I like a good looking man but it was just he was decent and he. Because you know there's always like there's your backup and then there's your main and you never see one take the step up. Yeah, they always move. But I thought he was the one.
Who could have my. My memory of Paolo Gazaniga is the karate kicking Willian.
Never a bad thing.
That's what I know. True. That's what I remember.
Right. He's from ign. He started to Utrecht, then he went to Swansea. Vaughn, Michelle, Vaughan. 3.
How bad is it that you just like forget players?
Just forget players all the time and their entire career is just going to be being on podcasts. Yeah. So Hugo, Ian Walker, Paul Robinson, Gomez Sullivan, Casey Keller. Thoughts? Vet. Friedel. Vicario. Baadson, Cherni. Gazzaniga. Forster. Vaughn. Kuticini. Kinski. Kinski. Your favorite.
So we've done all right for goalkeepers, do you know what I mean? When you look, you hear that list like actually it's not been too bad, is it?
No. Like we've had some that have just stayed for a long time. Do you know, I keep seeing pop up every kepa. If, if I was his manager, he would never have played. Can you imagine him doing what he did at Chelsea for Sir Alex Ferguson?
He's the most expensive goalkeeper ever, isn't he?
Yeah. Not worth it.
He plays a Bournemouth.
Yeah.
And I've got a great trivia question for you which I heard a few weeks ago when I was at spurs, which is what player from the Netherlands has got the most appearances ever for Spurs.
I'll say. A Belgian fella. It's not good.
It's a great question because we've not actually had that many. No.
Have we had David?
Yeah. He only made 40 odd.
Van der watt.
Van der vaart is up there. 77.
And it's more than 77.
Yeah. I couldn't believe this. I couldn't believe this.
I don't know. Who is it?
He's an attacker recent. We signed him in 2020.
What?
I did exactly the same thing. You're going to be shocked at this. Stephen Bergvine. 83 games. 83 games, eight goals. Yeah. How incredible is that?
By eight goals. Two of them were against Leicester. One was on his debut. Yeah. I can't remember anything. Against City.
The other 81 games he scored five goals in. It's not the best return, is it?
Although the City one was his debut goal, wasn't it?
Yeah. It's just. I couldn't. I was absolutely stunned. Like I didn't even think to name him.
No, not at all to name him. Because when, you know, when, when you ask, like nationality, I try and think of them in their national kit. I know he's played loads for him. He just doesn't feel like an international player at all. How was Diblin today? What? I remember. How was Dibling? You know, we're in for him. He's 100 million pound.
I mean, they, they, they didn't do. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's like that's not the type of player that we need. Like another youngster. Like, he looks like he's got all the ability to go on and be a really good player. But like him going to spurs would not be a good move for him. It wouldn't be good for us. Like, we, we just don't need that. We need some, I don't want to say win now players because no winner players going to come to spurs, but we need some players that don't need to be given time to develop and the benefit of the doubt. We need a few characters to come into this team like we, we desperately do.
I told you, Sergio Ramos, we should have got him in January. He would. He wouldn't have stood for this.
I've got. There's a player that's available on a free at the end of the season, which I've mentioned to one or two people, and everyone goes, you're nuts. Like, why would we go for that type of player? Christian Norgaard from Brentford, their center fielder, their captain. He's out of contract at the end of the season. He would be fantastic. Like, he's not easy on the up, but he's just an experienced. We need those, we need one or two of them. That desperate, crying out for it, aren't we? For just that type of player that's just couldn't. Can help the youngsters.
I feel if I said this, I know the exact face that you'd put at me. He's from Copenhagen though, you know, I love a bit of Copenhagen.
We just, I just feel like those young players need some. Just old heads around them to help them out a little bit. You know, it's just, it's the same with you. If you'd gone. If you've got, if you've gone into a new job and you're, you know, you've got, you've inherited a team that's got loads of people that, you know, have got one or two years experience, you'd go and get someone in that's got 10 years to help them. Yeah, of course, like, you know what I mean? It's just like, I don't understand.
I understand it. Yeah. Good old Dane. So if you could take one player from the Premier League, what about if they. If someone went, de Bruyne.
De Bruyne is free, no go. Chess.
Can you imagine?
God, Jeff.
Where'D he rank an all time frame?
Where does he, where does he rank for you? De Bruyne? Yeah. Because this is, it's an interesting one. There's been some people that have been going, he's in, he's in an all time team. There's others that go, he's been great. But no, like, where is he for.
You, the first 20 years of the Premier League you played 4, 4, 2 and so you could put Gerard and Lampard and Skulls. Who are the three? Right, they're the three. Is there anyone else?
Keenan Vieira.
Keenan Vieira.
Similarly, I think, I think, I think it's. It's always been those five.
Yeah. Is he a better attacking player than all of those? He's probably the best attacking player we've ever seen. Would I have him over Gerard and.
No, that's what I feel like. Just my opinion. But that top table is those five. And then De Bruyne is probably C6.
Or 7 because Gerard did it when Liverpool weren't great and when they were great. De Bruyne looks great in a great team and he does it for Belgium. Right. And that's, that's the only. The yardstick. But I Don't know. We.
I feel like he's just. It is he City's best ever? It's. Yeah, it's David Silva.
Not sure.
I, I don't like. I think David, David Silva was just. I don't think there's a lot between those two.
Between the, I mean Captain, company and Aguero. I, if I was a City fan, I'd have either of them above those two.
I just feel like De Bruyne is in the, the top of the next group, which is David Silva, him, Fabregas, you know, like those, those few that they were, they're all phenomenal. I just don't know if, if they're as complete as the other five because the other five, any formation, any midfield role, any team and, and they'll do it like Lampard will get you the 20 goals. Gerard did it. Skulls completely changed his game from being a starting off as a, you know, to plan as a second striker to deep down playmaker. Roy King did pretty much exactly the same thing. All action box to box. Same with the air. Like they all have done everything.
Yeah, yeah.
I just don't, I don't like, I wouldn't. It's not a hill. I die on that. De Bruyne is not in the top four or five. Like if someone was like nay and you know, then I'd be like, like, yeah, he's been brilliant. But hearing people being like he's in the greatest ever Premier League side.
I'm.
I'm not sure.
He's not in the greatest side.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
He can't be because you've got to go like you could, you could name them off now because the front three, Shira, Kane and Henry. Maybe Rooney. I'd have Rooney in a number 10 position over DE Bruyne. Yeah, if you're going.
Yeah. And I, I'd like. I probably wouldn't have like he's been amazed. I probably wouldn't have Kane in my all time Premier League team. Like. And it's like if he can't get in it, how do you know? I mean, how could De Bruyne get in it?
I'm not sure. What, what, what are you having on Rhian Shearer up front and then maybe.
And then on the Shearer through the middle omry on, on the left and then on the right. It's eve of Ronaldo or Salah. It's hard to Todd to disrupt that net.
We're talking about the best 11 players of something nearly. That's what I Mean.
But yeah, he has been amazing and he's one of those players. De Bruyne. That is gonna. A lot. I've never seen him. I'm live. I've never seen him play.
If you're not.
No, because whenever I've gone Spurs City, he's either been on the bench, injured or like I've. I've. I've not been at a game where we've played, but I've never seen him live.
That's blown my mind a little bit because I was.
I was going to go to the City game this year, but where it fell, I couldn't go. So he's going to be one that's going to get away from me unless he ends up going somewhere in Europe.
Do you want to. Something funny? We beat Manchester City convincingly earlier in this.
4 nil. We battered him. We probably followed it up on the pod by going, we're back. Here we go. This is it.
You know, I don't think I've seen him. I'm just searching. My little. I seen Chris Brunt.
Oh, lucky you.
I seen Bruce. What is that I saw.
As in Alex Bruce, I think.
Yeah. I must have.
For whole. Must have been for Hull.
Yeah. But there's. There's a. Where did we play? I saw us play Hull two games in a row. 27th October 2013. Premier League beaten one nil. Then we played in the Capital One cup and drew two. Two.
Yeah. That was the Sigurdson goal. No. Yes.
And we paid more penalties. Yeah. And there was that. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to get a life.
You do need to get life. Freel Walker, Norton, Pollino, Cabool, Vatongan, Lamella, Dembele, Defoe, Erickson, Sigurdon, Kira Kayes, Chadley. And Kane came on.
That doesn't. That doesn't feel right. That. Kane. Kane and Sigurdson have overlapped. That.
Yeah.
And Kane and Kirikez overlapped. That doesn't feel right. Have you got your spreadsheet open of all the players you've seen?
I do.
Can you. Can you. Can you just do some, like, slightly obscure letters and tell me what players come up?
Spurs or. Anyone.
Just anyone. I want to know if you've seen a player beginning with Q or beginning with Zed or beginning with you.
You. I mean, it's kind of funny.
Classic advertising practitioners can't work an Excel sheet.
I have. Yeah. I'm doing Q. Aquilani's just come up. Coquelan Cockalan. He was meant to be the next big thing, wasn't he?
Yeah.
Vasquez Shaqiri is quierdo. Who's he played for? Those who don't know. Brighton and Hove Albion. Before I knew I was neurodiverse, I used to make. I like making lists and I've got a list of every single spurs game I've ever been to. But it's organized by date, where it was, the opposition, the team competition, the attendance, my seat, literally my block, the score, whether we won, loss or draw. And then I've put every single player who started, every sub who was subbed, goal scorer for both sides and then I've got notes.
It's amazing. I would love for you to just like take a day off of work and life and just sit there and just run loads of analysis on this spreadsheet to be like, what seat drove the best and worst performance.
I would love that AI to do that.
Yeah.
What's this game? Robinson got a very warm welcome from the spurs Fans. Blackburn Rovers 20 when he came back with Blackburn Rovers.
Your notes are amazing.
I've got a. Yeah, one guy died. The Wigan dwarf. Popov sent off. We scored him.
Cruiser.
Here's one which we definitely talked about in the pod. What time's your EasyJet? Three nil and long way from home. I remember that because I was with my brother and my wife. I'm pretty sure that was Inter Milan when we played them in. I'm pretty sure Vertongan scored in that game. Bale, Sigurdon and Vertongan. We were sat in where the away fans were at the old White Hart Lane because we were in the corner because they had somewhere else.
Albert Kruzak. Just to make you feel old, retired in 2014.
2014. Oh, here's one versus Crystal palace in 2014. We won two nil. But my note is Jason punching. Absolutely Sky. The penalty penalty.
Yeah, I was at that. That was down. That was down in front of Paxton Road that. He didn't. He didn't like just put it over. It was like. If you're watching it on telly, it's out of shot.
Right, here's some notes. I've got Burnley two nil up after seven minutes. That was in 2015 in the FA cup replay. And we beaten four two.
Yeah, that was two two after like 20 minutes, wasn't it?
Yeah. Insane. Then Batongan denied third goal with worst offside of all time.
Oh, yeah. In his own half, wouldn't he, Sunderland?
Yeah, literally he was in his own half when the ball was played to him. And I'VE got one which just says Pandemonium. Urzil's. I can see Ozil has scored and it's Arsenal 2, Tottenham 2, Arsenal 1. I'm pretty sure that's the cane. Cane is the cane header. Yeah, that was. That was. I. I went mental.
That was that the ball was in there for such a long time.
I prefer that goal to the one where he rips the mask off when we drew 2 2.
The greatest thing you've ever said. It was a Peter Drury moment, Ben to that on the ball with the keys to North London. It was a pizza Drury moment that it really was. My favorite Peter Drury line ever was. Do you remember when Roma knocked Barcelona out the Champions League? I think they lost the first leg free nil and then won like four nil at home. It was an amazing comeback. And it was Costos Manolos, the Greek center back got the winner and he was like they scored and he said Rome have risen from their ashes. The Greek God in Rome. And he went on his massive. Didn't it? Brilliant. Absolutely amazing. But Ben celeb with the keys to North London. That is. That's. You'll have to get that on your tombstone.
Let me give you some. Well, also the classic don't shoot for Mason again in that hole. Worst performance.
No, no, that was. That was against championship Nottingham Forest, was it not?
It was.
I believe. I believe and I'm not looking at a spreadsheet that Henry Lansbury of arsenal put forest 1 nil up. And we were all like, we're going out.
This is mad. I've got one called the worst performance ever and I can see that Ben take who scores and I'm pretty sure we lost 1 nil to Villa.
Oh, it's Tim Show. It's Villa.
Yep.
Hey, Tim. He stood there, he stood there right on the edge of his technical area in his G. Lay with his hands just smiling.
I just don't. I don't remember it. Right, I've got away trip with Jack. World class free kicks from Ericsson.
Oh, good times, Swansea.
Yes. One day. Best day ever. Which is Tottenham Hotspur 3 Man United Nil. Where the scorers were Dele Alli, Tony Aldevaro and Lamella. We scored three in about eight minutes. Something like that went mental like.
Like we haven't seen. Yeah, that was amazing. It was the Lamella go was particularly when it like just. Yeah, just brilliant.
Went crazy. And then my last one was with dad. Greatest match I'll ever see was the 31 against Real Madrid. That was I'm getting goosebumps thinking about that, how far away we are from that. And I'm Deli should have scored the header in that. He should have got a hat trick in that game. And I'll go. Our first was offside, wasn't it?
I'll tell you what though, if you look back at that Real Madrid game and like look at the team we had out, it weren't a great. It was not a great side either. Like we were struggling a little bit with, with a few injuries but we had like, like we. I mean Winks had a great game that night, didn't he?
That was his best game for us.
Yeah, he played really well.
Hugo, Toby, Sanchez, Vertongan, Trippier, Davis. There's about five Ericsson, Dyer, Winks, Delequene. That's not a great team. And you listen to theirs. Ronaldo Benzema, Isco Cruz, Modric, Casemiro, Marcelo Ramos, Nacho Hakimi and Casilla. Like that's a decent team.
Yeah and we battered them.
We brought on Sissoko, La Rente and Dembele Son didn't even get a chance.
If I remember this. Didn't Sissoka come on for Oliveira who went off injured?
Yeah, yeah he did.
So like we, we played, we had two in midfield because I think Dyer had to go to center back and we had so calm Wink sentiment against, against Casemiro, Cruz and Modric.
I saw someone doing like their all time Spurs 11 and they put the Tongan in over Elderverald like is that. Are you in in.
I always thought yeah, I think Auto Variable is a better player than Potonkin but I. It's Ledley's obviously in it. The time I've been watching anyway Ledley's obviously in and I do genuinely I don't know if I'd put him in my all time team yet because he's not had the games. But I do think Van De Ven is just. I think he's phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. And like if we can keep him fit like he is such having a conversation again while the Chelsea game was on and it was like who's the best player at spurs and then who's the most important player at spurs now. And I was like I think Van De Ven is the most important player we've got because as soon as he's not there we just completely lose that ability to be able to recover. But I thought it was an interesting one like the best player. It's actually quite hard to pick someone.
Now, my media thought goes to Udogi, just because I think he would be the most difficult to replace.
Interesting, isn't it?
It's hard, isn't it? Like, if your left back's your best player, you've got a problem.
Definitely. And I. I'm with you. Like, I like Solanke, but I think.
He'S a great player.
He's coming back from injuries as well, isn't he? So it's been tough, but it just doesn't get any service now.
Yeah, like when he does, he does something with it.
Yeah, to him, he just doesn't get anything, does he? It's tough, but. Yeah, no, I'm with you on that. All the air all over the Tongan. Yeah, luck, definitely. But for Tongan was amazing. Like that part.
Love them both.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if in our lifetimes anyway, we'll see a better partnership than.
Those two, a better back four than Rose, Toby Aldevarold Walker.
Incredible, isn't it? It was incredible. And it was the best back four in the league for a couple of seasons.
Like, we had a season where what we didn't lose at home, we only lost two games. We got. We had the greatest goal scored the fewest goals conceded and we only came second. Didn't win any. Any cups. Happens. All right, mate. Next week I am in a silent retreat. I am properly. I'm not even.
That's not going to be. It's not going to be a great pod then, is it?
It might be. If you've been listening for a long time. They might prefer it.
It'll just be me asking myself quiz questions.
Oh, God, can you imagine?
So week after this week, can we.
Have a line, David? Yeah, that's not me in it, David.
Yeah.
Week off next week because I'm searching for myself in North Wales. I know it's the week after. We're good for next week. Sorry. The week after. Cool.
So prediction for Thursday, Frankfurt.
Two two.
I think two one to Frankfurt.
That's what it's one of them in. It is where it's not wrapped up either way.
I think for us. I think for us to get through this time, we have to win 3 nil on Thursday because I cannot see how we go away from home and don't get beat. So I think we have to win convincingly, scoreline wise anyway, on Thursday.
So defensive, aren't they? Because they're just like, let's just not lose the away leg.
I can just see them, like, just pinching it off. Off of our back four.
That's what I'm saying.
Like just setting up and us going. It's not there. Hit Slinky and we go, no, no, I'm just going to zip it into Benton Court. On the edge of his own box and yeah, a goal. And then we go. What do we do that for? And then we'll get back into the game and then it will happen again.
Oh, my God.
Yeah. And then Wolves Prediction.
2 1, Spurs.
I can't predict two defeats, so I have to, I'm gonna go for a draw. 1 1.
They're gonna score early.
What game are you talking about? Could be Eva.
Yeah.
Every time in the first minute.
It's mad, isn't it? Off the post. Do you know anyone who's angin at the moment?
Nah.
I think we'll look back and go, like, what the were we thinking the whole time? We had all the clues. He had a great 10 first games and that was it. Over two years.
I just, I, I, I really think that we're going to finish 17th.
I don't think it's gonna be that bad, but I don't think it's gonna be far off.
I, I, I really do. I just think if we go to Wolves at the weekend and win, then we won't because we'll be too far in front of them. But I just don't think we will. I just don't think we will.
Let's leave it on that. Let's, let's meet in a week and agree whether we're gonna finish 17th and.
Win the Europa League. We've always said it, haven't we? Always said I'd take 17th in a trophy and it would be incredible, wouldn't it, if it actually happened, wouldn't it? Spursy.
Spursy. All right, then. The future's bright, mate. The future's lily white. Come on, you Spurs. I always thought there was very, very.
Many people interested in football.
And I always thought that football was a very important game.
But I never realized until today just how important it is. Whether the wonder boys of Piet Hart Lane are or are not the team of the century can't possibly be more than a matter of opinion. Well, they're the finest team in Great Britain and one of the best in the world.
We are about the glory of the game. We are about playing with style. We are Tottenham Hotspur. The curve of the ball, the billow of the net, the beating of the trap and the picking of the lock. The swiftness of thought, the lightness of touch. We are Gineler, Greaves, Klinsman. We are the collective gasp, the intake of breath, the flick, the trick, the 30 yard free kick. We are Hodl, Mabbit and Kling. We are the lob, the chip, the dummy and the volley. We are the hat trick, the scissor kick. We are Bill Nick.
That is schoolboy's own stuff.
We are the outside of the boot, the inside of the net. And those seconds that last forever.
Vanderva to level it up. Rafael Van der Vaart.
Two, two. It's quite a game, isn't it always?
We are Jennings, Defoe and Perryman. Glory past, glory future. What was, what is, what's next? We are Blanche, Flower, Adelis and baal. We are about winning with a flourish. We are about winning with style. We are about the glory of the game. Daring to try, daring to risk, daring to dream. To dare is to do.
Fantastic se.
It's all over.
Jump. And we're fighting the top. Really stagger going all the way. And Leonard kicked him out.
This is incredible. This is quite incredible.
Truly a glory, glory day for Tottenham Hotspur.
