The Surprising Power of Nostalgia - [Glue Guys, Ep. 64]

Guys, it goes fast, man. It goes fast. You're going to wake up 25 years later and be like, holy cow, we did that. I can't believe it.

One of the cool things about nostalgia is like it has to be earned and it has to come after time. There's no like faking it. It was so powerful that it even applies to the people that aren't experiencing the nostalgia.

Happy New Year to Glue Guy Nation. Excited to be back for, for another year of, of chicanery and, and Tom F. Tom foolery and chicanery glue guys. Something that's been been on my mind this weekend is actually the 25th anniversary reunion of the 2001 National Championship D Duke Blue Devils men's basketball team. We have not been back in the same room in 25 years and yep, it's crazy. It's crazy. And so this is one of the, one of the things that we talk about on a text thread. We should, you know, we should get together. Let's go to Vegas together. Let's go to, let's go to Miami. Let's go hang out and make it a boondoggle.

Do you guys go to Vegas? You guys do they do that?

We own half the strip. Of course we go to Vegas also.

Alex, you don't remember? I mean, you seem to love Vegas. Do you remember when you came, you know, one week early for our Vegas recordings?

I didn't mean to interrupt. Go, Shane.

Well, we thought that this was the perfect year. Our starting center and favorite guy, Carlos Boozer has two sons playing at Duke, Cameron and Kaden. They're playing great right now. So we thought it was the perfect time to go some support our guy booze, get together under one roof and celebrate, drink wine with Coach K and come back. And so we've had a few guys get together and be the ringleader to bring this, this thing together. Now first of all, like if this thing actually gets off the ground. All right, kudos to a bunch of middle aged men who are trying to organize this shout out. Victoria and Heidi who, who have helped but party Planning at age 50 almost is not our forte. But it's, it's going to be an organic, very authentic weekend.

When is it, Chain? Is it this coming week?

Yep, this weekend we're getting together for the.

Oh my God, that's awesome.

So is Duke gonna do something for you guys?

We hope, yeah, we hope we're gonna.

Be there part of this as well.

We're gonna be there and if Duke chooses to, to bring us out and, and Wave, we're gonna wave back. And if not, then we're gonna have a lot of cocktails and, and talk about the old days. So I thought it'd be fun. Appropriate today to talk about the old days and talk about sort of the nostalgia that goes around, the great things that you do, the memory, the things that you forget, the things that are much better today than they were at the time. You know, with our 2001 team look, we had historically great team. Average margin of victory, I don't know, 20, 20, 25 points. Analytically, we're one of the best teams post Wooden with our scoring. We set a record for the most three pointers made in a season. This is 25 years ago before people were shooting three. And so, like, you know, of course, you know, we're all 45 to 48 years old dads now. You guys are dads. We have any hair, we can't jump anymore. And I just can't wait to go back to that room and, and tell the same fart jokes that we told 25 years ago. And that's what happens. Like, our text thread has devolved into like, I can't wait to see each other. To. Yeah, like, dude, like, you got invited. You know, like, we.

Mike.

Mike Dunleavy always gives Ryan Callback a lot of crap about being a walk on and being included. And, you know, obviously our Bo Shout out Ryan Callback is very successful, you know, professional in the Bay Area now. But I, I can't wait because there's something about getting with your old boys, right? It doesn't matter, you know, where you go in life, what you do in life when you get back into that mode, you know, Alex, you just saw a bunch of your buddies at your hall of Fame induction. Was that the dynamic that. That happened to.

To.

To you as well? Just that you transform right back into the college locker room?

Well, a couple things on that note, like, I hadn't, you know, my, My last year at Utah certainly wasn't the national championship. Your. Your banner year at Duke that, you know, obviously so many people remember, but it was obviously a magical year for Utah. And several years ago, they did, like, a similar thing. Let's bring back this, you know, 2004 team. Let's celebrate them. Well, you know, I'm still playing football. It's in the fall, right? Like, it was at a football game. Like, I couldn't attend. So I, I literally, same thing. Hadn't seen so many of my teammates for almost 20 years, coaches included. And, you know, and everybody's just kind of busy with life. Right. Our careers are moving. You're, you know, again, family, and you're just trying to, like, make it work and keep it together, and you just don't realize how quick. I think you always assume there'll be time for this later. You don't prioritize these things and these relationships. Right. Like, and again, I. I think you're always moving forward. You're always looking forward, moving on to things, you know, hopefully better things. You know, there was a lot of nostalgia. In some ways, it was, like, sad. I remember, like, thinking, like, why. How. How did we let it go this long? You know, and, like, connecting with some of my college teammates that definitely were formulative in who I am. Right. Like, I honestly, I said this, you know, Urban Meyer. I was just with Urban. Like, you think about the people in your life that really change your trajectory. Like, really meaningful change.

Yes.

Like, certainly your parents and your siblings and your spouse and your kids. Right. Like, and once you get outside of that family circle, who do you. You know, who is it? And it's. It's crazy, right? Like, some of these. For us, that it is, like, coaches and mentors and that. Right. Like, by just sheer damn luck, if he doesn't come to Utah and enter my life, like, my life probably looks very, very different right now. I got asked. Urban's wife called me Shelly and was like, hey, would you mind? We're gonna have some players talk from all the schools and say something about it. And it was this exercise of, like, listen, I got it. Urban's going into the hall of Fame. I really want to say something nice about him, you know, but, like, at the same time, you're, like, going back. You're, like, going back through what? It's like.

That's funny.

It was. It was hard, man. It wasn't all, like, you know, that's.

What I'm talking about.

Like, but it was a blast.

Yeah.

And it was so much fun, actually, to kind of roast him in that and then, like, with your teammates and to like, go over this stuff now in such a very different relationship. Right. Like, I can call him Urban now. Right? Like, that's even a little different.

Right?

Like, I don't call him coach sometimes. I can really call him coach.

On our episode, though, I noticed that I actually. I called him Urban when we started. Then I was like, damn, Alex is calling him coach. Okay. I got to call him coach anyway.

But I just think that those, like, it was fun to really. And he's changed so Much, you know, And I'm sure when you go back and this is what's cool. Shane, I'm fascinated about obviously, even basketball, the circle's tighter, right? Like, I had 100 guys on my team. Not everybody, like, had the same level of commitment, input, and obviously the coaching staff. It's just a big circle. How many guys are going? Like, how big is this group?

We have 11 of the 14. Nate James and Dante Jones coaching in basketball. Nick Horvath lives in New Zealand, so can't make the trip, but everyone else is going to be there.

So you guys could play like a little halftime pickup game.

Oh, no, this. That ship has sailed. That. That ship has sailed. I think, you know, Dunleavy can still play. Dunleavy looks good. Booze looks fit.

You look good. We've seen you. Yeah, we've seen you, chain.

Yeah. This is all cosmetic, boys. It's all cosmetic.

Who's going to get to shoot the free throw at halftime for the thousand dollars for charity? That.

That's a great question. So at Duke, they bring out one player and someone sponsors it. And if they make the free throw, I think it's $1,000 to charity they miss. It's only 500 for the children's hospital at Duke. So this is like a lot of pressure. And I did it two years ago, and let me tell you, I've played a lot of basketball. I was nervous as you did it.

Without it with us.

You knocked it down and then I.

Was nervous for you, bro. They announced you, you're back in your stadium. I'm like, I would not want to do that. They're like, hey, come out here and throw a pass. I'm like, oh. In front of a packed stadium. Like, no, thanks.

Yeah, my jersey's in the rafters. I mean, like again, again, talking about nostalgia. I'm a much better player today than I was 25 years ago. All right, everybody talking about Badia can't dribble. He's slow, he can't jump. But now, man, one of the all time greats like, you know, you know, Robbie talk, you know, talk about getting with your old, old crew.

I will, I will.

I.

You know, it's so was before this. Shane, I thought you just had a.

You had to get together though, didn't you?

Yeah, well, this is a very appropriate home. So, you know, I was a little cold in my office and so, Shane, this is this for you. Just representing, you know, what you. You help build, Alex, you know, so this is. This is from my recent trip Durham. So, okay, I got lots of reactions. First, on your free throw point chain, there's this like, viral video of Michael Jordan renting a house. You know, I think it was for the Ryder cup, maybe. When is it Bethpage? And the guys are like, look, you can basically have the house, but, you know, Jordan paid for it, but, like, can you just shoot a free throw for my. In front of my son? And Jordan gave this interview with Mike Tirico on NBA and NBC, and he was sort of like, I have not been more nervous in like the NBA Finals than like shooting a free throw in front of this kid. He's like, I haven't touched the ball. You know, expectations. It reminds me of the same thing, which is like, you know, you know, so that was. That was great. It's actually funny, you were talking about nostalgia. I actually was experiencing it this morning. And then I'll talk to you guys about my get together, just like you said, Alex. But like, you know, we'll talk about it at another time. But, you know, yesterday I said, I'm gonna start this new company and we'll give more details in the future. All that. I'm very excited. But one thing that I was thinking about was I was actually thinking about people that mattered to me. And so literally, like, you know, today I sent an email to Henry and George, you know, just thanking them and. Cause I was thinking about them. And I say that in that, like, sometimes people don't even know the impact they've had on you. And those guys know how much I appreciate them for sure, but they don't probably know the specifics of how much I think about them, you know what I'm saying? And like every decision and how it flows and just as an example, like, you know, a lot of the reason I'm like, excited to have a co founder and comfortable with the idea of, like doing it with somebody, you know, is because of watching them. It's like they. They probably don't know that. And so you think about the nostalgia and the things that you learn. I mean, I got there when I was 23 years old, Alex. You know, related to that, we just had like a capstone reunion, you know, late last year. And I mean, it was so much fun. It was so fun to see these people, these people that, you know, knew you when you were young. They. The jokes are loud, everyone's having such a good time. And, you know, it just kind of brings you all the way back. And then it also, I think it reminds you of how grateful you should Be. Do you see what I'm saying? It's like such a. It's like a. It's like a giant dose of gratitude, you know, because at the end, everyone's just so, like, happy that they're in each other's lives, you know? And so that, to me, is like nostalgia. What it does is it, like, provides great gratitude for the past, you know, and that's what I had. And so, Shane, I can't wait for your reunion, man. I'm excited for you. And 25 years is something amazing to celebrate. The thing that was cool for mine was what all the people are doing. They're just, like, doing cool stuff.

Do you guys, like, have conversations about the whole capstone? Like, do you guys still have that, like, chip on your shoulder?

Yes, I would say. And it is robust. It's not a small chip, you know. And the thing that, you know, what's nice, though, about a shared chip, Alex, is everyone else's success makes you happy.

Yes.

Right? Because you're like, yeah, like, look at. Look at this crew. And so everyone's builds on it because you all have the same chip, you know, So I think that. But yeah, there is no. There's no being cool about that, dude.

On that note of the good stuff, Urban Meyer got in the hall of Fame. So I was there. Again, this. I got to talk about him. I saw a bunch of my old teammates last year. I got in, right? And so when I got in, I gave this speech and, you know, obviously, again, gratitude, right? All the people that. That affected my life. And one of the guys that was there was my college quarterback coach, Dan Mullen, Right. Who at the time, I mean, I think he was only a few years older than me. He was super young and just a tough coach, but, like, the guy that would have me over to his house on the weekends when we were playing, he fed me, you know, like, you know, when we were actually college kids and weren't making any money. When Urban left to go to Florida, he finally got named the oc. He won national championships there. He obviously goes on to be a head coach at Mississippi State. Coaches, Dak goes on to Florida. Anyway, he moved on to doing tv, right? He was doing espn. He was calling, making the trip to Bristol, Shane, doing college football. And so he's there, and I talked to him about, you know, about his effect on me. So I see him this year, you know, fast forward a year, and I knew this. I see him. He's now the head football coach at unlv, and he Comes up to me, he's like, it's all your fault. All your fault. You're the reason I'm coaching again.

Right.

But he said, you know, he's honestly, he's like, listen, it was. I wasn't loving tv kind of some of the things you talked about, Shane, the travel and stuff. And like, all of a sudden I came back and like, honestly, you know, being at your thing, seeing a bunch of the old teammates, the kids that I really. Right. The power that it has.

It's.

In Vegas the next day. He went and met unlv, had an opening. He went and met with ad. Wow. They hired him in a heartbeat. He's a wait.

It was after he had his interview with them the day after your induction.

Yes.

Oh, wow.

In Vegas. And takes it. And honestly, it was this exact point, Shane, this whole, like, it is, you know, it is the good stuff. It's not. Again, it's hard.

So, Shane, you know, you know what's crazy about what you just said on, like, what do you tell young people? I don't, like, I actually have like a. A very real memory of this, which was so it's like this idea that the old guys tell you. It's like, these are the good old days, like the ones you're in right now, you know, like. And you know, it doesn't just apply to work stuff, but I remember, you know, one day when my kids were younger and they were like running around the driveway and they were just going crazy, just like running around, you know, like, you can envision it like 3 and 5 year olds just like running around. And, you know, they're being loud and just crazy. And my dad is standing next to me. And, you know, you guys both know my dad and he's not a man who's prone to hyperbole. And he just looked at me and he could tell. I don't know if I was stressed or whatever. He could just tell I was a little like watching them, making sure, okay. He just looked at me. He's like, son, it does not get better than this. And because he doesn't say a lot of stuff like that, right? It like, really, that moment, I was sort of like shifted even in that moment of like, this is the good stuff, you know, like, don't worry about if they fall down and skin their knee. Just like, just be happy that you got kids running around in the driveway. And so I think, Shane, like, that balance of like, what do you tell young people on the nostalgia point? Like, probably nothing that will land Right, Obviously, totally. And that's like going to be like the football guys who come back to the locker room being like, you got to enjoy this, you know, whatever. But for me, that there was one well placed comment from someone that I really, you know, respect more than anybody in the world at a moment that I did remember and was influential, you know, and like, similarly, I've told this before, but like, you know, when I told Henry I was leaving KKR and he was like, you know, man, I would go, I would do anything to do it over again. Like, that was a moment to like, remember that this was the good stuff. So I, for me, it's been like, well placed. One comment from someone that I respect every once in a while resets me.

Alex, like, your, your point? It kind of, it kind of hit me like, you always think there's, there's time in the future to that we're going to get together, right? And knowing after making the emails and hiring the caterers and, you know, counting the linens and all that stuff, it takes someone to, to, to be that catalyst. But like, that is so true that like, everyone is like, I'll get, we'll, we'll get together. It's at some point, but invariably someone started a new job, someone sick, someone had death in the family. And there's, there, there's always excuses. But the more people I've told about this weekend, they're like, oh, I, I had that with my, my college team and I, I'm, I was smiling ear to ear. Of all the stupid jokes that, that came up again. You know, like, I know it's gonna happen. We had this stupid ritual, ritual, this game where I will not get on an elevator.

Oh, I was about to ask you, I wasn't sure if this was inbounds to bring up.

Yes, this is, this is Duke basketball at its, at its grimiest. So this was a tradition. Any road trip we went on, get in the elevator, you better cover your, your family jewels or you're getting the huge ball tab. Huge ball tab. And then like, like keel over. And to this day, I will not get on an elevator with a group of people without covering myself up, because I know that's coming. So, like, I just know. I just know we're gonna be at the Washington Duke Hotel and someone is gonna forget and they're, they're gonna pay the price. Maddie C. You know, very respected venture capitalist himself and, you know, leader of people. He's going to get somebody. You know, we're going to devolve Right back into the shenanigans of 2001.

But are you guys bringing your spouses?

We. We are.

Okay.

We are. You know, they've heard all the stories, so, like, they're not going to hear anything new. And so they. They've all married us despite our history and all of our stories. But, you know, there were, you know, a couple of the. Of the spouses were around when we were. We were doing it, so they've seen our act, our song, it. Song and dance for a long time.

Alex, do your. Do your kids think you were good?

I honestly, I guess I don't know. I mean, I think they. They know I played, you know, and had a career, but I guess I would have no idea, right? Obviously levels to all this, you know, and then you get to the NFL level and it's like, well, you know, you weren't winning Super Bowls, and you weren't winning MVPs, you know, like, you know, just kind of meh. I don't know. And they were so little. They were so little.

So my son last summer came home and there was a teammate on a summer league team whose dad played, like, I don't. Division two, division three, not division one, but, you know, scored like something like. Like 3, 000 points, had, you know, had an amazing career. And he.

He was saying.

He said, well, you know, you know, you know, Tim's dad, you know, he said, you know, this about the game. And I'm like, oh, really?

Did he.

He's like, yeah, he was really good. He was really, really good. I'm like, yeah, what?

The golf instructor that I have, he was telling me last year, he's like, you know, he's like, you really listen when I talk. And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm paying you to come teach me. Like, why would I not listen? He's like, you'd be shocked the number of people. He's like, when I tell them something, they'll. He's like, they in and be like, well, somebody told me I should keep my elbow here. And he's like, what is that person doing? He's like, well, he's a dentist. What is his handicap? You know, 18. He's like, why are you listening to him? Like, I am a professional. So there's that. But the other thing was, you guys will appreciate this. On the. Just on, like, what your kids think of you. So on the new company, I asked the kids, I was like, hey, what do you think of if dad starts a new company? And the kids were like, oh, man. I don't. I don't know, dad. Like, well, you know, do you think you have to work more? And I was like, that's a nice question. I was like, probably, guys. But, like, I'll still be around. Like, you guys are the priority no matter what. You know, like, okay, do we have to move if it doesn't work? And I was kind of like. Like, kind of. Do we get to stay in Woodside? I'm like, you know, don't worry. Like, we were not going to move if it doesn't work. Like, I. I'll make sure of that. Then the very sweet question, you know, do you think mom is going to have to work more if it doesn't work? And I was like, mom will work as much as she thinks is appropriate. Like, don't worry, we won't make mom have to work more because of, you know, dad doing this. And they're kind of, like, begrudging, like, okay, well, I guess if you want to do it, you know. Okay. Then I was like, how would you feel if I told you I might start it with, you know, the guy I'm starting it with? And all of a sudden, my kids get. Their eyes get like, oh, dad, why didn't you say so? That guy, he's smart. Yeah. Then, great. You know, and then they effectively, like, were like, maybe we can pool our birthday money together and invest in the new company. And so I think kids never think we're any good. I think they. I think they always.

Well, there's no allocations because we've already asked. So, you know.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Shrey. Sorry, bud. Get in line.

Alex, the thing that you said about, like, we always think we have more time, I do think that that's, like, something we always talk about, like, what makes a glue guy. Like, maybe part of it is, like, reminding people that we don't always have more time. And actually, like, being the catalyst to do things like that feels like something that is hugely important. Like, someone has to do it. You know, like, we always joke, but, like, Shane being the commissioner of our fantasy football league, like, there's definitely no way that the fantasy football league, like, exists if Shane doesn't, like, create the rules.

Yellow.

You see what I'm saying?

Totally. Well, I even think. And I fall short on this all the time with myself, but, like, I'll send that text later. I'll make that phone call later.

Yeah, right.

And then shit happens. Life goes on. And it's been months. And you're like, damn, I didn't call it so and so back. And it's like, pick up the phone, man. Just do it. Like. But I. And I. I fall short on this dude.

My friend Clay Bevore has this amazing thing, and he's like, when you have positive feedback for somebody, so let's just say that the thing is something you're thinking about them. You say, he's like. And you don't tell them. He's like. It's like buying a gift, going, like, crazy, finding this amazing gift, beautifully wrapping it, and knowing that the person will love it than just not giving it to them.

Like.

And he's like, don't do that. But I think. I do think this thing of, like, you know, we always have more time. That's, like, such a thing. And then the other thing, Shane, I was thinking about on your point on nostalgia is like, it has to have been earned through, like, something great, you know, like when I was. I was back at Duke over the holidays, and when we were, like, when Avni and I were walking around with the kids on campus, it was so awesome, right? Because it was so great. And, like, we met there and we spent all this. We had so much, like, special time there, and you can't. The kids, like, they could see how happy we were when we were, like, showing them, like, our dorms and things like that. And so one of the cool things about nostalgia is, like, it has to be earned and it has to come after time. And so, like, there's no, like, faking it. You can't fake the feeling of nostalgia, which is why I think it's so cool, you know, like, you can't buy it. Can you buy nostalgia? No.

Alex, do you. Do you look at your accomplishments differently now? I mean, yeah, you're a Hall of Famer now. Like, like, this is, like, a weird question. I'm not asking you to humble brag or anything, but, like, do you think, like, what you did was. Was, like, cooler today? Like, more impossible today? Like, well, when you look at your. All your trophies on your mantle, like, what do you think about your Imperial period? Your. Your peak?

You remember. Remember who Shane referenced as the imperial period? Okay, sorry.

Let's get back to business. You know, talk about nostalgia, gratitude, and lucky, right? Like, I just, like, again, going and seeing all my old teammates and quarterbacks just get way too much credit for success, right? Like, that's. I was just on a phenomenal team. I was. I was lucky enough to get coached by, you know, hall of Fame college coaches that were running a offensive system. That was ahead of its time. And again, all of this I had nothing to do with. I had nothing to do with. And again, I was, like, just the direct recipient of all of this. And again, it catapulted me down this, like, trajectory of all of a sudden. Yeah. You know, you play a long time in the NFL playing professional football, right? Like, that was just insane. And none of this was obvious to me. I think that's the hard part. Now that I, like, again, with kids and, you know, my son wanted to play football and, you know, like, wants to play quarterback, and you're just like, dude, do you know how many freakish things broke my way? Like, looking back that, like, I just. Reggie Bush was my high school running back. Dude, are you kidding me? Right? Like, what? What? Like, you know, like, all of this stuff is just so random, and I like, so much of it. I bet I was the beneficiary, right? And not to say that, like, certainly there weren't parts of my career that were hard. And, you know, once, especially once I turned pro, but, like, I mean, to be the number one pick. Are you kidding me? Like, that, you know, Heisman Trophy finalists, like, all these things, that's the lens I look back on it with.

So more. More incredulous. More incredulous. Like, how in the hell does happen? Knowing the math now. Knowing the math, totally.

Can I tell you guys something that I've actually experienced with both of you? That is a feeling that wouldn't have been obvious to me, that I would feel I've got to be around. As you guys have both experienced nostalgia, right? Like, you know, Shane, when we went to Durham, Alex, you got to do this, too. Like, when we went to Durham, getting to see you with Coach K. Alex, I was at your, you know, hall of Fame, you know, party and got to see you with your teammates and your coaches and speaking. Watching someone you love and care about get to experience nostalgia is actually something that's pretty amazing, right? Even if you weren't part of it. Because the thing that was cool at your party, Alex, was like, there was old friends and new friends, right? Like, and there was a connectivity with everyone just by being there, right of get. And all of a sudden, everyone there feels close. Like, I made friends with your older friends just because it's like, oh, we're like, here, you know? And the thing that I think was cool is the only reason we liked each other was because of you guys.

Right?

Of course. That's, like, the impetus. But what you really get to feel is you're feeling something so real that all of a sudden the moment feels real again, you know? And the same thing with you, Shane. Like, you know, getting to watch you at Duke. It's not our experiences. Those are yours. But because they're so real, all of a sudden, like, you feel part of it in this weird way. And so, I don't know, it was so powerful that it even applies to the people that aren't experiencing the nostalgia, you know, that I didn't even know that that existed, honestly, until recently.

Sitting across you and Coach K. Shane, like, the seats that Ravi and I had for those, like, couple hours was, like, insanely cool to think about the years that you guys have together and, like, everything you've put in and gone through and, like, that unique relationship, like, was. And again, like, you're totally right to sit on the other side of it and just, like, witnesses. It was like. Yeah. It was like, literally, I remember being in the moment, I was like, this is like a little bit of a pinch myself.

Yeah. It's like they were having dinner. Yeah. Right. And we. And they, like, invited us for some reason that wasn't obvious. But we're like, we'll just stay out of it. You know what I'm saying? But then we got to, like, enter in.

But. But you know what?

The best way. Yeah.

I loved having you guys there and. And sitting in that chair and hearing Coach K say nice things about me, it was a little embarrassing. And. And I felt. I felt naked without my boys there, without my teammates there. And so, like, like, selfishly, like, I wish I could have had my team there. And that's what I'm so excited for. Like, all Coach K wanted for this weekend, he wanted one hour to bring us all to his wine cellar, where he's going to open a bunch of wine from 2001 and he's going to toast us. Coach K is this huge wino, and so, like, he's like, that's all I asked the entire weekend. So we're making a special trip to his wine cellar, and he's going to bust our balls and is just like. Just like it was 25 years ago. And like, that. That is, like, the peak moment of. Of what I'm looking forward to. Yeah.

Can I make a suggestion on that for a second for you guys? Yeah. You shouldn't let anybody else see it, you know, but you should have somebody film it for you guys, at least part of it, because you'll remember it for the rest of your life. You shouldn't publicize you shouldn't do anything. But I'm just saying that, like, that will be. That hour is going to be something that there is going to be moments or something that you'll want to have and you don't want to all be standing there with your phones. That's not. But I just mean that, like, just kind of like having one on the side or something for just for your own sake later again, not for like, you know, the gram, but like, I don't know, it would be cool if you had it.

I have a feeling it's going to be longer than an hour. Shane. What a dude. How many assistant coaches on the commit?

You know, all of our assistant coaches are coaching, coaching professionally are in college right now. You know, Johnny Dawkins down at UCF and Chris Collins at Northwestern and Wojo with Utah Jazz. So it won't be a full. A full boat, but those guys will be with us in spirit.

The crazy part is it's been 25 years. Who knows the next time, like, you guys get together, that's.

Well, I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's. There's all sorts of stuff, right, that'll make that hard.

But, you know, it's going to be amazing to go and support Carlos again, who has two sons who are, who are living what we lived, you know, and trying to figure it out. And as much as we try to. I actually went back and spoke to the team before the year and I, I tried to tell him and I, I sounded like an old man when I said it. It's like, guys, it goes fast, man. It goes fast. You're going to wake up 25 years later and be like, holy cow, we did that. I can't believe it. And look at, look at us now. And so they looked at me like, yeah, okay, sure, sure know, old man.

So it is crazy. It is so cool that one of you guys has two players on the team who are playing, who are like central to the team. I mean, the, like, the, the full circle aspect of that is like, that is beyond anything you could have ever hoped for, right? All of you guys going back with one of you guys, with two guys playing 100 as like, stars of the team. I mean, come on.

It's gonna be hilarious to hear that. The conversation. I don't think we'll talk about games. Like, people be like, oh, what game are you guys gonna talk? We'll talk about Maryland because we love talking about beating up those guys and we didn't like them a whole lot but, like, I promise you, we're not going to talk about, like, specific moments in games. And that's the crazy thing about, like, everyone listening is probably no way you're gonna talk about, you know, that a Paul gave or Nick Corbett hit a fan, three off the glass to. To. To win it. And, you know, that's the cool thing about these journeys that, you know, it was about the hotel celebration where Kevin Marchetti filled the entire beer up in Minneapolis. And we had, you know, we had 50 people in a hotel room with twin beds, you know, jumping on the beds, drinking beer out of the. Out of the. Out of the hotel bathroom bar, right? And, like, those are the memories that. That I remember from 2001. I don't remember.

If there had been a. That you could, you know, bet on in that moment of the likelihood of Kevin Marchetti having the professional success that he's had, what do you think the percentage chances would have been at that moment that you guys would have made the market at. Kevin Marchetti, for everyone listening, is a very successful business person now.

I would have put it at, like, 90%. Just the guy. He's. He's a go getter. There was never.

There was never.

There was never a doubt that this guy was going to make it big. Now, the only thing, okay, very different.

Than what I expected.

Expected you to say the 10, you know, would have been, you know, pictures of him in tidy whitey somewhere, right? Like that. I've seen Kevin Marchetti and tidy whitey's more than I care to admit in public settings. And that's the only reason why he's not 100%. I love you, kid. One of my favorite sayings of all time, sua sponte of one's own accord. That means you don't wait for someone to. To give you permission. You just do it. Because if you don't do it, no one else will. And that's Alex.

You making a face. Because I do.

Guys, where do you get this shit?

Yeah, you just pull this out, like, damn, dude, I'm jealous.

No, no, no, I'm telling you. We also have the most. I mean, like, our fantasy football chain is that it's not a lot of highbrow content. Okay, let me. Let me put it to you that way. And Shane is dropping. He has a Latin phrase that he is like, you know, introduced. That is effectively like, a sign. I mean, is it a sign off? You know, it is typically there.

Semper ad meliora means towards better things. I mean, we should all be striving. Towards better things.

Like when you say, where does he get this? It's everywhere.

It's just like Detroit Country Day.

Can't help himself. Alex, in my. Some of my other college friends, you know, have a league as well that I am also involved in. And the punishment there is the 50 challenge. Over 24 hours, you have three things the loser has to do, and you can get to 50 any way you want. But it is beers consumed, miles walked, or run, and donuts consumed. Okay, so beer, miles, donuts, and you got to get to 50 over a 24 hour period. And so you end up with some creative mix of how people go about doing this. And so two things that you guys will appreciate. One, I told you guys we went to Bentonville as a family, and it was amazing. One of my favorite things I think I'll ever remember was my children explaining to Doug McMillan what the 50 challenge was. And Doug, he's like, you guys are not allowed to talk to the people in our league. Which I was really. I mean, of all the joys you can imagine. Imagine my three boys explaining to Doug, you know, the 50 challenge. And the second was after a recent basketball tournament. The boys, the team, a subset of the team and of me and me were another parent were talking about, like, how they would approach the 50 challenge. But it was milk, you know, glasses of milk rather than beers. And so you can imagine the different scenarios these guys are coming up with. I'd go heavy donuts, you know, whatever. And one of the kids in our community, who, Alex, you know, Garrett Weiss, who is a very competitive, awesome young kid, is like, I would do 48 miles and two glasses of milk. And we're like, garrett, you couldn't go 48 miles, probably. He's like, no, I could. I could. I would do it. That's. That's the way I would do it. Now every time I see him, he's like, I'm training so that I can prove to you that I would do 48 miles in a day and two glasses of milk. So that was his. His opening salvo was that's how he would go about it.

Not a chance. Oh, that makes my body hurt.

Just. Yeah, it's crazy. 48 miles. You out of your mind? Alex, do you have anything you said pivoting forward? I think you said, how do you curate, create these moments? Do we have any other answers other than just like, you got to be the one to go do it? Is there anything else? Is there anything about, like, trying to be present in the moment? And thinking about the fact that, like, these are the good days. Like, I can tell you that I think. I think keeping some sort, like writing down. I think you're jars of awesome, Shane, helps basically having some system that you write things down that are good, you know, I think helps because I think it reminds you that you're like, in the period of time that you will look back on. Like, I occasionally have this like, melancholy of like, man, like, my kids are getting older. And then I'm like, man, what am I going to feel in five or 10 years? Like, I'm going to miss this? So I like, remind myself, like, no, no, this is the good stuff. Like, go. And, you know, do that. But there's something about having to stop and realize you're in the good old days, I think.

So often we're always just like, looking forward. It's always, what's next, what's next, what's next? And so at some point it takes reflection, right? Like, you gotta look back and think about these things, which is why the jar of awesome's amazing, right? Like on every. Every year, looking back. But I don't think we prioritize that time. So whatever mechanism is, you know, writing it down, thinking about it, reflecting, you know, at least I know that's how I work. It's always. I'm always like, you're looking at your calendar. It's like, what do I have today? What do I have this week? Right?

Like, well, you in particular. Your calendar is probably not terribly effective at telling you what you have during the week because you seemingly don't know how to manage it, you know, based on our interaction with you. But you are getting better at it. For Christmas, Shane and I were going to buy you a, like a share of a aiea, you know, but maybe next year.