EPISODE 211: Ask A Sex Therapist: Penis Pumps, Pegging, + Postpartum Sex

Is it normal for things to be better than sex?

Does having a vasectomy make you less of a man? Trying to decide if I want to get one.

I don't know. Am I less of a man? Does using a penis pump have a negative impact after use?

Great question.

Let's just get right into that. I'm asking for a friend. Is it normal my husband and I don't kiss during sex?

What is pegging?

All right, let's. I mean, we just got real straight down to business here. Pegging is.

Hello and welcome to the Pillow Talks podcast. We're your hosts, Vanessa and Xander Marin. I'm a sex therapist with over 20 years of experience.

And I'm just a regular dude. We share the ups and downs in our relationship while giving you step by step techniques for improving yours.

Make sure you subscribe for your weekly double date full of totally doable sex tips, practical relationship advice, hilarious and honest stories of what really goes on behind closed bedroom doors, and so much more. It's the sex education you wish you'd had. Today we are back with one of our favorite episodes, Ask a Sex Therapist. We put a question box up on Instagram and we said ask away any question, especially the questions that maybe you've been too nervous to Google even on.

Incognito mode, too nervous to ask anyone, too nervous to almost even start to think about.

And we got some interesting questions, honestly, some questions that I've never even seen before in 20 years as a sex therapist. So I'm excited for this episode.

Yeah, I've. I've seen the gamut of the types of questions that you get asked.

Nice SAT word, though.

Upon reflection, I'm not sure you can say I've seen the gamut. I've, I have, I've really experience. The questions you have received have really run the gamut. What is a gamut? Actually, I have no idea what a gamut is. And can it be used in any other way than run the gamut?

Anyway, it's just the complete range or scope of something. It's not an actual, like, it's not a thing.

Great. I'm going to try to find ways to use that word more and non. Run the gamut.

Gamut.

Context. All right. But anyway, no, you, you get some wild questions, you know, but I don't know, there, there's not like, it's not like from one extreme to the other, but just like, just some. You got some stuff. So I love, I love knowing we're.

Getting some new things here and what are your Qualifications for answering this episode.

Well, yeah, she's a sex therapist who's over 20 years of experience. I'm her husband. That's it. I'm a regular guy, but I'm always.

Learning around the question.

I've been around these questions for a long time. I've been around this content, this topic for a really long time at this point. It's funny because I, you know, from the beginning was just like, you know, I'm a regular guy, a husband. I'm married. You know, I'm a man. Like, you know, I. That. That's my perspective. I've. I've been in a relationship and in a marriage for a long time. And at this point, that is still true. It's been even longer. But I really. I really know a lot about this topic now because we literally do this day in and day out. All right, now, speaking of run the gamut, let's just. Let's just run all the way to the one end of the gamut and hit you. Hit you with a new one. A good one, a surprising one from the very beginning. Yeah. All right, number one, coming in hot and heavy. Vanessa, what is the height between putting your partner's penis into a vag all night? Claims are they feel more closer. That was literally. That was literally the question.

Well, this person had to really struggle to, like, fit the question into the box. They did a good job shorten things. They're saying, putting your penis.

So the claim is. The claim is that if you do this, that the partners feel closer.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is a new one. I'm always seeing new stuff pop up on the Internet, new ideas, People get into their heads. Something will go around. So this is a trend, like putting your partner's penis into your vagina all night.

It's a new take on all Night Long. It's perhaps maybe a more realistic take on all night long, but though still also not very realistic.

Okay, so, like, I always like to start with stuff like this, saying our perspective is, whatever you want to do, if it feels fun and exciting to you, go ahead and do it. Okay, so there isn't anything special about putting a limp penis into a vagina. Like, if it makes you feel closer and special, then that's great. Go ahead and do it. But it's not like there's some secret technique thing that, like, ooh, people are just catching on. Like, it's just. It's just a limp penis and a vagina.

I mean, I got a comment here. There is something special in, like, if you Manage to get a limp penis into a vagina.

That's what I was gonna talk about.

That's a bit of an accomplishment. That's a bit of an accomplishment. We've tried this before in kind of the opposite way, like in the lead up to sex and that. It can actually be really fun. But it's a real challenge to get it in.

It's quite difficult to get an un. Erect penis into a vagina. It's like trying to push putty into a jar. Like, you know those like gak jars you used to play with as a K gag?

No. Where it farts.

Like trying to smush it in.

When you say gak, all I think of is farting. It makes fart noises, right?

Yeah. It's like penises need to be erect to like help them go in when they're soft. Like it's. It is putty. Like where you're just trying to. Yeah, you're trying to jab it in.

There, Jam it in the hole.

Okay. So it's hard enough to just get it in there in the first place, but I actually am not sure it's possible to put it in and have it in all night long.

It's hard to keep it there without it getting hard.

You have to like, you have to be on top. Like the guy has to be on top to even like kind of rustle it in there in the first place.

I hope you're watching on YouTube, by the way, Steven Nasses, Steveness's illustrations of this.

We do have our podcast on YouTube, by the way, if you didn't know that. But yes, like, so he would have to be on top of you. This is though, ironically how I thought that couples slept when I was a kid. When I was like 8 years old or whatever. I thought, like, yeah, couples slept like male, female couples slept with the man on top of the woman. And you, like, that was how you slept.

But you didn't think that I would sleep on you with my soft penis inside of me.

I did not think that.

That was not in the cards for.

8 year old adults in that position. But also, like, we toss and turn a little bit as we sleep. So like that penis is going to come right out.

Yeah. Also, most, most people don't want to fall asleep on their stomach. Also, like, where's your head gonna go? You can't put it on a pillow. Like my head just like on your head.

I mean, maybe you could do it in like a spooning position. But again, there's no way it's Staying in sort of rustle. Yeah. Rustling around like you're gonna fall out right away.

No, spooning is. Is a challenging position to get it in. Like, you need. There's like an. The ankle is not ideal. Yeah, you gotta be hard to keep it in. Spooning. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna go out on a limb there.

Do you remember that woman who. She used to DM us like multiple times about, like, my husband and I, maybe we've even mentioned this on the podcast. So maybe this actually isn't a new one.

Well, it was one. It was one person. It was a he. Hee hee.

All night.

We like to keep it in all night. Does anyone else like that?

No, it wasn't that. Hers was. They like to just like, hang out on the couch and like, have him be. But no, that was hard. He would get hard and just like, enter her and they would just like, hang out that way, but not have sex and just watch tv.

Like soaking.

So this is a new. This is a new one. Yeah, I guess it's kind of like soaking, but yeah. So anyways, all this to say, I think it would be very difficult to have a penis in soft all night long. If you want to try, go for it. But there's not anything. Again, this is not like some special secret technique. This is just going to feel like you got some gak in the jar.

Gak in the jar. Wow. That's a sickening, sickening visual and metaphor. You know what I will say, you know what? If you want to try this, I bet you will feel closer because you're not going to sleep neither. You're going to sleep at all. So you're probably going to end up talking. Hey, you might even end up having sex because honestly, like, you know, hey, we actually do kind of enjoy that. If you are able to get yourself in soft and start kind of rocking around and get things started, it's a real fun way to start sex. So you might feel closer because you're probably gonna have sex.

It's not. Yeah, we tried that technique out for a Smasher pass episode. I don't remember which one, because we've done several Smasher passes. But that was the technique to, like, start soft. And we were actually pretty surprised. Yeah, it was a rare weird trick from the Internet that actually did kind of work.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, the other way I could see this working would be if you have sex right before bed. So you're hard, you have sex, you're already inside. That could be the way that this happens, and then you just pass out on top of each other. I, I, I'm just not buying anyone's getting any sleep like that.

Yeah, I, I really wouldn't think about this one too much. I wouldn't try it unless you're super excited about it.

But, yeah, I mean, give it a try.

If you're worried, report back.

Yeah. Okay. Vanessa, let's go a little more, I don't know, pg. Is it normal? My husband and I don't kiss during sex.

So we actually hate the word normal around here because, like, we can get philosophical about it. Like, who's to say what is normal? Like I said for the last question, like, we're all about whatever you want to do. Whatever feels good and fun and exciting to you. Do that thing. Who cares what other people do? So let's answer this in a different way. Is it common that you don't kiss during sex?

No.

Most people kiss during sex. And it's not, like, not constant mouth contact.

Yeah, I think that's, that's an important.

Yeah.

Differentiator.

You and I will kiss, but we're not. Okay, if we had to guess, what percentage of the time do you think we're kissing during intercourse? Let's specify intercourse.

I think we kiss very little during intercourse. We kiss in the, in the lead up to sex, we often kiss kind of like during foreplay, like touching each other. Once we start intercourse, we barely ever kiss. And most of that is because of our height difference. It's. I have to really, I have to really bend my. I hope you're watching on YouTube again. I really have to do this to, like, get my chin all the way down and like, or, like, hunch my back.

Yeah. Or just be, like, in positions where you can't do it.

Yeah. Or, I mean, like, if you're on top, I mean, yeah, I'll bend down.

And, like, kiss you. That's easier.

Yeah, we'll kind of do, like, a kiss here and there.

But, like, if you're in a position, like doggy style, like, you kind of can. If you're, like, really reaching around, but pretty much. No.

I also find that if you, I mean, because we every now and then, we will kind of, like, get a little more into, like, a serious makeout while having intercourse. I feel like it is harder for me to, to last as long as I would like to. Like, it's easy to get a bit carried away because it's like, oh, there's a lot of sensation, and I'm like, you know, you have to kind of focus yourself on, like, on the kissing so that you don't kind of, like, screw up the kissing. And then it's easy for, like, your body to kind of like, things to get away from you.

I mean, I'd say what we do is we have, like, kisses and then we break the contact and, you know, focus more on the intercourse and then come back and kiss again. But I think my guess is that this person is asking this question from a place of, like, we never kiss.

And I wonder. I wonder if. I mean during intercourse, but I also wonder if they're meaning around, like, the entire process of having sex, whatever that looks like. And I mean, yeah, if. If you're. If you. Neither of you or one of you is really not into kissing, then, like, there's nothing wrong with that. However, I will. I mean, kissing is a really great way to bump up the intimacy factor. I mean, that's why people kiss. Like, it feels good, it feels intimate, it feels connecting. So if you're wanting to have connecting, intimate sex, it would make logical sense that you would want to do something that really gives you that feeling. Yeah, you know, I think that, you know, doing. Having sex, whatever it is, intercourse, hand jobs, blow jobs, whatever floats your boat. Like, doing that without. I mean, almost like, it almost feels like a friends with benefits arrangement where it's sort of like, all right, like, we want to get each other off, but, like, we don't really want to, like, catch feelings. And, you know, I think when people don't want to get feelings for each other, they very often avoid stuff like kissing or, like, looking at each other in the eyes too much because that's kind of where that stuff happens. So.

Oh, it's kind of sad. So, yeah, I mean, that can be.

Hot, like, every now and then.

But I also want to mention, like, some people have sensory issues around kissing where they just don't really like making out. Well, we will hear from people sometimes who are like, I feel super weird, but it's just not my thing. And if it's not your thing, then it's not your thing.

But.

But it does sound to me like this question is kind of coming from. My guess would be that it's coming from a place of, like, I would like us to kiss during sex, so. But I would recommend talking to your partner about this and letting him know that it is something that you would like to do.

Yeah, I mean, I could also see this question coming from a. Like, hey, we, like, kiss a little bit at the beginning, but then Once we really get started, we're, like, not kissing at all. Is that weird? Because I think, like, when you see. When you see sex portrayed, like on TV and in the movies, I think there is often a lot of kissing going on. They're just trying to, like, portray everything all happening at once. So I could see someone thinking, like, oh, is it weird that we're, like, not making out during the act of. Of intercourse? And I would say no, there's nothing abnormal about that at all. Like, I think it's. It's pretty common. You're focusing on the actual, like, intercourse part of it rather than the kissing. Honestly, I find it hard to focus on both at the same time. So that is totally fine. But I think the bigger question is, are you getting the level of intimacy that feel good to you when you're having sex? If the answer is yes, then, hey, who cares if you're kissing or not? If you're. If you are not getting that level of intimacy, then, yeah, that would be worth a conversation with your partner.

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All right, let's just. I mean, we just got real straight down to business here. Pegging is when. Well, okay, now. Okay, now I'm like, second guessing myself. No, no, Peggy. I was like, you know, second guessing myself around, like, sort of like genders. Gender roles with pegging. Basically, pegging is when a man receives anal sex from a partner wearing a strap on.

Yes.

So it is specifically a strap on going into a man's butt.

Yeah. I mean, typically what it. Typically when people are talking about pegging, they are talking about a woman wearing a strap on, using it on her male body.

It's like a reverse power dynamic.

Yeah. It could be someone of any gender just choosing to use a strap on. But, yeah, it's not just like anal sex. It's that there's a strap on being used.

Yeah, it's really what it is. It's like the experience of, like, a man getting fucked.

Yeah.

Because, like, I'm trying to draw a differentiation.

Is a man getting fucked up. So, like, pegging is. It's. What's specific about it is that it's a straight being used.

Okay, but is it more of a straight man? Like a straight man getting fucked? Because I don't think in the gay community, you know, like, people don't really talk about pegging.

Well, yeah, yeah, typically. I mean, most commonly pegging is used in the context of a straight male female couple where they're choosing to play around with gender roles. You know, it feels kind of taboo and kinky and like, flipping. Flipping rolls in that sort of way. So she is penetrating him anally.

Yeah. And usually with a dildo. Because it's not like. Or like a strap on. Because it's usually. It's not like. It's not like, you know, just like a finger in the butt or a toy in the butt. People don't call that pegging.

Yeah, I mean, it's specifically a strap on, which is a dildo, which is a, like, phallus shape made out of some sort of material. And it's. You put it in a harness so that it, like, sticks to your body.

Basically where a penis would be.

Yeah, it's like you can. It's not like you're not holding something in your hand, putting it into your partner. It's like strapped on, strap on. Strapped onto your body. So you can, like, hands free, you know, do some dusting.

Yeah. So the person giving it can basically have the experience of what it would be like to fuck somebody.

Yes.

If. As if they had a penis.

Yes.

That's really what we're talking about.

But again, like the. There aren't any rules about, you know, you can only use it for a male, female couple. Like it could be for people of gender and it's not like you could use it for people of different sexual orientations or identities and all that kind of stuff. But yes, typically straight male, female couple doing this. So people like. The reason people like to try pegging is because it feels taboo and naughty. I think any sort of anal play still feels taboo and exciting in that.

Way for people, but especially in the straight community.

Yeah. And especially like the role reversal of it. Like, oh, you're usually the one who's fucking me, but now I'm going to fuck you. There's also like total power play dynamics in it. And I do think, like, I. There's a part of me that wishes that every straight man did get pegged because the experience.

Whoa, hot take, hot take from someone.

Who, like, I have never pegged you. That hasn't ever been a part of our sex life. We're not, you know, interested in doing it. Super excited for people who want to, but just for us. It's not like something that is exciting, but I do think that it's. There's something about understanding what it's like to be fucked. Like, having somebody penetrate you with their body is a very vulnerable, very intimate experience. And I just think would be interesting. Like, I am interested in what it would be like to fuck somebody. Like to have a penis and be able to. Like, it sounds kind of fun, but I think particularly for men, being able to experience what it's like to be fucked up would be. I just think all men kind of should. Yeah, obviously, like.

Well, I mean, we've certainly, we've certainly played around with like some other like, light anal play and it, it's certainly vulnerable. I'll say it.

Yeah, it's very. It's very vulnerable. And. And I also want to say people like playing around back door because there's nerve endings there. I know we have all these, you know, taboo elements around it, but the reality is there are nerve endings there. Just like there are nerve endings in the penis in a vulva and a vagina. Like, that's why people play around with it.

Yeah. I mean, and especially men, more so than women, I think, are actually set up to potentially have an orgasm from anal penetration because the prostate can get stimulated, which actually can create a totally different kind of orgasm for a man.

So that's pegging, friends. That's pegging if you're curious about it, peg away. Definitely something we're trying. I think we have some ancient blog post articles on our website@vmtherapy.com and kind of watch.

You really want to ask people to search for that?

Sure, go for it.

It.

I remember like giving instructions for how to find. The thing about pegging is it's a little bit difficult because there's. You have to like buy a lot of equipment to do it. So it's kind of a high bar for.

It's not a casual thing.

Yeah. Unless you're like, that sounds really hot to me. I want to do it.

And you already have a strap on sitting around.

It's a high bar. But you know, we always want to encourage experimentation and exploration.

Yeah. I mean, it's a whole experience. Okay, let's continue. Is it normal for things to be better than sex? For me, sex is rarely mind blowing. So I assume by sex they mean intercourse.

Well, I think they mean any sort of sex. It doesn't have to just be intercourse.

Oh, oh, oh. I totally read this as like, is it normal for sexual things to be better than intercourse? I mean, we could answer both of both of these.

No. You know how like when people say like, oh my God, that chocolate cake is better than sex?

Yes.

They're saying like, yeah. Is that common? Because for them it sounds like a lot of things are better than sex. Ahaha. Okay, so this is actually a really interesting question. I mean, the first place that my brain goes to is sex should be mind blowing. And for most of us, like, I mean, this is the reason why our business exists. It's because we all, most of us want to be having sex. We want to have sex that's mind blowing and passionate and connecting and intimate. But we were never taught how to. So we're all just kind of flying blind here trying to figure out how am I supposed to make this experience as good as it's supposed to be. As good as I hear other people saying it's supposed to be, or I see in tv, in the movies, which is problematic in and of itself, but.

And especially for women. Especially for women because. Especially for women because it is absolutely possible for men to be having sex that is less than mind blowing. But for the vast, vast, vast majority of, of men, like they have learned. We have learned how to bring ourselves to orgasm from a very early age. The whatever sex act we do, whether it's hand job, blowjob or intercourse, it is tailored to the very specific part on our body that is going to make us orgasm quickest and best. And so it's like very challenging for a man to be struggling to have the kind of sex that's going to bring him an orgasm. So for the most part, yeah, maybe you're not having very good, good orgasms or you're coming too fast because like often, like a super quick orgasm may not be as good as one that you know where it took a little longer to get there. So that is totally possible. But for the most part. For the most part, if we could read between the lines here, I think we are talking mainly about women who are probably not consistently having orgasm. And so in that context, if you're not feeling very much, is it possible for things to be better than sex?

Yeah. So like I would compare this to just being in a kitchen and having no clue what you're doing. And like, okay, I feel like I'm. Food's supposed to be good. I'm supposed to be able to cook something, but like, I don't know how to use this knife and I don't know what temperature these pots need to.

Go in, what items of food go together.

Yeah. So it's like, yeah, having zero experience cooking but trying to figure out how to make this gourmet, Michelin star worthy menu. So that's why we do what we do and that's why we have so many of the guides that we have, like our ultimate foreplay guides, our ultimate sex guides. Like those are like cookbooks. They're recipes in them that like explicitly lead you through. Here's exactly what to do. Do this with your hand. Put your leg here. Like it shows you exactly what to do. The same way that a recipe is like, you know, take a tablespoon of butter and cut this up into, you know, finely chopped cubes. That's, you know, so that's what we do. That's why we do it. So yes, like sex absolutely should be pleasurable and mind blowing.

Yeah, highly pleasurable. Orgasms in general are highly pleasurable when done correctly.

Okay. But then my brain also kind of wants to go to like, so what, what are some of the things for you that are better than sex?

Oh man. I mean, I wouldn't say like very little. Like actually.

No. Like, is there anything. Okay. Think about like your best orgasm? Well, yeah, because anything that feels better than that.

Well, I think that this is, I think that this is the big differentiator here, is that when you're talking about. Okay, so sex can last a while. Right? Like we could be having Intercourse for a while and it could be feeling pretty good for a while and pretty damn exciting. Then there's the orgasm. The orgasm is really, really, really, really good for a very short amount of time. So if you're talking about like the bang for your buck, what like 10 to 20 seconds max for most men. Right. So I'm like, okay, I mean, two to. Yeah, okay. So like anything. Can I think of anything that is that good over a 2 to 10 or 22nd period? No, I can't.

Winning the lottery.

I don't know, I've never won the lottery, but like, but I think I.

Might enjoy winning the lottery more than my best orgasm.

Really? I don't think I would. I mean it's like winning the lottery.

Get out of here.

But that's like, that's like theoretical pleasure. It's not like something that actually feels good.

I mean, get out of here. You wouldn't trade winning the lottery for one orgasm?

No, no, no. Then now you're saying actually winning the lottery rather than like the feeling that that's gonna give you.

No, actually winning the lottery. Is that better than sex?

Sure. How much money? What's the winning for?

Like one for one orgasm?

Yeah, like, like a thousand dollar lottery win or like a million dollar lottery win or a ten million dollar lottery win?

I mean, fuck, that's a good question. I mean winning any money is pretty pleasurable. But I don't know, maybe a thousand.

A thousand dollars? Wow.

That's all I'm worth to you for one singular org. I mean, if you want to say like how much money would you have to be paid to never orgasm again?

That number would be absolutely different story.

But a number of like what, winning this amount of money would be more pleasurable than one single orgasm? Yeah, probably like $1,000.

Okay. I just, I think for me like looking at sort of second for second, how highly and intensely pleasurable an orgasm is, it's hard to imagine something else like in that short amount of time, like feeling that way. But on the other hand, I think that there's a different level of satisfaction or pleasure or happiness that I get out of other things. Like, like when I, when I have like a really, really exceptional surf session or something, I feel, I feel like on top of the world for like 24 hours afterwards. Like at least the whole rest of the day. And you know, and like, and like if I kick out of a exceptionally good wave or something, I'm like on top of the world for like a couple of minutes as I'm Paddling back out. But it's not the same kind of pleasure. It's. I guess it's a matter of what type of pleasure or enjoyment do you prefer? I mean, I do really love that feeling of fulfillment and just like, oh, yes, I did that.

Is there any food for you that is better than sex? Because I feel like that's where I hear this comment the most often. It's always, like, on a recipe of like. It's like, this pineapple upside down cake is better than sex.

I thought you were going all in with the accent there and you kind of.

Oh, doing an accent.

Yeah, you did. I thought. I thought you were gonna do more of a southern accent and you just kind of pinched it off.

I think southerners don't have good sex. They're just enjoying their pineapple upside down cake more than their sex.

Yeah. You know what? Honestly, I think people that are saying, like, this, whatever, food is better than sex, I guess it's a. It's a figure of speech. It's a figure of speech because it's one of those things where it's like, you know, it's not really true, but it's like. Like, you know, it's something that makes it sound controversial or, like, sound like, oh, yeah, that must be really good. I think it's just literally, X is better than sex is, like, just like a figure. It's literally.

No, but I want to know the. So you've never had any food that you would say is better than sex? Like, I'd rather eat this food than have sex.

I don't know. I mean, there's like, every now and then I'll have a bite of something, like, at a really good restaurant where I'm just like. Like, oh, that's so good. But, like, that just. Oh, that lasts. That lasts for like a second or two.

Huh. But it's not more pleasurable than sex.

No, I mean, I. But like, an orgasm lasts long. A really good orgasm for me lasts a lot longer than that.

Yeah, I don't think. I don't think I would say there's.

And then I still feel great, like, for a while after that. Orgasm.

Yeah, I would say there's.

And there's a whole experience before that, which could be, you know, a while if we're taking our time.

Okay, so, yeah, there's. There's our answer. Okay, this is another one for you.

There's a lot for me here.

Yeah. You know, I just wanted to throw you a bun.

Great.

Does having a vasectomy make you Less of a man trying to decide if I want to get one.

I don't know. Am I less of a man, bro? Is that what you're saying?

I mean, you tell me.

No. Vasectomy doesn't make you any less of a man. I have a vasectomy. I honestly feel like more of a man now that I have one, because I. I get to just. I just get to. I just get to, you know, do whatever I want, wherever I want it, no consequences, Baby, you've been doing that.

For a long time, though, because I have been the bearer of our birth control methods.

I know. Now you're not. Now I am. I. I was gonna say something really crude, and then I was like, I don't want to say that on this podcast. It's too full.

No, I'm curious.

I was gonna be like, I just blow my load anywhere. It doesn't matter. Oh, I mean, it does matter, but. But I'm not gonna get anybody pregnant.

Well, you're not gonna get. Yeah, you're not gonna get anybody. Wait, hold on a second. Where else are you blowing your load?

I'm thinking of those, like, ridiculous, like, horror stories, like, oh, someone sat on a toilet seat and bl.

Okay, that's the fake.

Like, fake. Like, fake things.

Yes, that's fake.

Yeah.

You better not be. I'm not gonna be getting anybody else.

I'm sure not.

Not getting anybody pregnant. Okay, but for real, talk about this, because this is a concern that a lot of men have. Why do you think men think this?

I mean, I think that there is so. Okay. I think that men think that it's going to, like, impact their hormone levels or, like, their testosterone levels. I mean, I think what the tricky thing is that often around the age that men are getting vasectomies are. Is around the time that men's hormone levels, or testosterone specifically, do start to decline. I mean, like, I actually started testosterone replacement therapy around that same time. But, like. But, like, the vasectomy is not impacting your testosterone levels at all.

Also, some men are really confused about what the procedure entails.

Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, a lot of men don't realize, like, I think some men think, like, their balls are getting cut off. That is not happening. My balls are exactly. Like, my balls were unimpacted by this vasectomy. A very, very, very tiny incision and, like, a tube is basically cut and cauterized, and then you're sewed right back up. You, like. You know, you're supposed to just sit on the couch for A couple of days so that the stitches don't tear and basically like ice the area. You don't need any, like serious painkillers. There's like, really?

Although I will say men get way better post care instructions than we women get for our IUDs. Like, I cannot believe I got an IUD inserted with zero pain medication. And like, we have a lot of friends who were offered pain medication for vasectomies before and after. Like, I passed out during the procedure. It was so excruciatingly painful. So I just have to say I'm a little salty about that. It's definitely unfair. But yeah, okay. So you're. You don't lose your balls. Also, the whole shooting blanks thing.

Yeah. So we say another figure of speech which doesn't help. Shooting blanks is unfortunately a figure of speech that is confusing. So people will say a man who has had a vasectomy is shooting blanks. And what that means is that his cum can't get you pregnant. There is no semen in the cum.

But a lot of people think that it means like, you have an orgasm and nothing comes out.

So, yeah, that is the problem is that a lot of people here shooting blanks and they think, oh, nothing is coming out. Like I'm still having an orgasm, but like, nothing comes out of my penis. And that could not be further from the truth. Yeah. So there is actually 2 to 5% of the total ejaculate that a man has is actual semen sperm. So, I mean, I would challenge you swim. Yeah. Swimmers, the. The live rounds, if you will. So, I mean, I would challenge you to take any amount of liquid or solid, remove 2 to 5% of it and then try to visually spot the difference.

But also, as a woman, I just wanna say we do not care about the volume of your ejaculate.

And in fact, you'd probably prefer theirs less.

Yes, I know. Men get this into their heads cause they see it on porn and it's that visual of a huge load.

My loads are gonna be smaller, bro. By 2 to 5%.

It's not what women want. I don't care about the size of your load. I've never noticed the size of your load. It doesn't turn me on more to know there's more ejaculate there, like you said. Yeah. If anything, I wish there was less because it makes a mess. Not that sex is like a bad messy thing. It's just natural thing that happens. But like, it would be more convenient if there was less of it slowly making its way out of my body in the days after having sex.

Very fair.

So men, we don't care about your loads.

Yeah. Now I do think that also men get in their head about like, oh, I'm not virile anymore, which I don't know to me that we said, like, look, I mean, just. Well, I'll be honest here. We don't have kids. We've decided that we are not ever going to have kids. We want to be child free. So I don't know what that experience is. Like, we talked about things that were better than sex or like feeling satisfaction. I can totally imagine how there could be this real high sense of satisfaction of like, you know, of like, I did that I got my partner pregnant. Like, I made that my, you know, this child here. And so I can see that there is definitely some validation in a way of like, yeah, like you, you are a fertile person that was able to do that.

Fertile Myrtle.

So, yes, having a fit to me will take that away from you. But presumably, hopefully, well, yeah, but presumably, hopefully you are only getting a vasectomy because you don't want to have another kid. You do not want to be virile anymore. So honestly, I think that the men who are struggling with that, honestly, I think that you are probably struggling. You're. You might be saying, yeah, I don't want to have any kids anymore. But like, I think there's probably a part of you that is struggling with the finality of that decision. So to me, when somebody raises that as like, as their concern, my question is, hey, it seems like you're not really sure about this, so you probably shouldn't get a vasectomy yet, but you also shouldn't tell your partner, oh, yeah, like, I'm totally done. Like, it sounds like you have some unfinished business that you gotta, you should, gotta work out with your partner.

Yeah. We do have two podcast episodes about your vasectomy journey, if anybody is interested. If you want to learn more, I highly recommend listening to those. But what is your tldr of a vasectomy?

Great. Highly recommend. I mean, honestly, it feels really good to be like, hey, I'm taking care of the birth control now. You've done it for so many years. It's really good to be able to contribute in that way, be of service to your, you know, to your. If you have a female partner who's probably taking that burden on for a very long time and, and probably their body has taken a lot of abuse from that. Most, most people unfortunately are on hormonal birth control, which wreaks all kinds of havoc. You were not on a hormonal iud, but that still wreaked havoc, like physical pain with you. And, you know, at times, every now and then, like, you, we could feel it having sex.

You know what's weird? Like, men have a lot of men have complexes around, like, being protectors. So why don't you have a complex around, like, protecting us dainty, delicate women from all the negative impacts of birth.

Control or protecting you from getting pregnant if you don't want to get her pregnant?

To be clear, I'm not saying that we women are dainty and delicate and are in need of protecting. I'm being facetious here, but it is kind of funny that there's this whole complex, but not in an area that actually would benefit me.

Yeah. So I don't know. Highly recommendations, guys. Step up to the plate. Be a man. Get a vasectomy when you are done having kids.

Or if you don't have any at all.

Yeah. Or yeah, when you're done. Or you've decided you don't want any.

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Okay. Vanessa, does using a penis pump have a negative impact after use?

Great question.

Let's just get right into that. I'm asking for a friend a lot.

Of penis related questions today. Actually, I was just realizing. Okay, so penis pump penicrums can. Like, there are risks associated with them for sure. Just like any other, you know, toy or utensil instrument that you might use in the bedroom. Like, there are always potential risks.

I mean, just imagine you're using pressure basically thinking like broken blood vessels.

Yeah, that's one of the main ones. So if you never heard of a penis pump before, it's literally what it sounds like. It's a pump that you. It's like a tube. You put it over your penis and you use this pump to pull. It basically pulls.

Suction.

Yeah, suction. It pulls blood into the penis. Blood is what makes us. Makes us. Makes men have erections.

Yeah. You are not pumping the penis up from the inside. Yeah. You are using external pressure. Yeah. So is it kind of wild to think about, like, do you actually want to be applying so much pressure on your body part that it's like sucking blood from elsewhere in your body into there?

So they are most often used to treat erectile dysfunction. Like men who are struggling to get hard for variety of reasons. Could be medical medication, could be psychological. As a sex therapist, it's not one of my favorite interventions. Like, it's not something I've ever recommended a client do. But I also am not a medical doctor, so I don't work with a lot of those, you know, more extreme, like, medical situations. So there for sure are some cases where they can be really beneficial. I don't think they're terrible. They're just not one of my, like, you know, first line of defense type of situations. But yeah, in general, they are pretty safe. But you do want to be careful about the amount of pressure that you're creating. Like, you can lead to bruising. You can have pain. If you've like, pumped yourself up too much sometimes there can be like a little bit of numbness afterwards. You can have like, break blood vessels and you get like little, like little red dots on your skin from, like, the blood vessels breaking underneath the surface of the skin. So those are the main ones. But in general, if you're using it, like, if you're not overdoing it, if you keep pumping, pumping, pumping, and you're like, starting to feel pain and so much pressure, like, of course that can be causing some issues. But in general, they're they typically are pretty safe. But I would talk to a medical doctor before using one.

No, I think there are plenty of people that. That are curious about using these outside of medical advice in terms of just, like, temporary penis enlargement. Right.

Some people use them for that reason. It's not real. That's not really what they're made for. They're made for just getting an erection. They're not gonna help you. Like, they're not gonna actually make anybody bigger. You're gonna get an erection, so you'll be bigger than you are soft, but it's not like it's stretching out the size of your penis and making it any bigger. All right, so tell your friends.

Okay. He's disappointed, but, you know, he does have a question, though, about some pills that he saw online. No, I'm just kidding.

How about we go back to you. Are men lying when they say they like sex the same after a woman gives birth speak for all men?

Well, I mean, look, I cannot speak for myself because that is not the situation that we are in. But. But this is such a tough one because we so often hear from the flip side of, you know, this concern of, oh, my God, like, is my. Like, is my vagina going to be stretched out after childbirth? Right. And, you know, unfortunately, we do hear from some men that say really awful things to their partners after childbirth about, like, how they're not satisfied. Look, I think if a guy is saying that he is just as satisfied, he's just as satisfied for the most part. Like, childbirth is not actually permanently stretching your vagina out. And there are things that you can do, like pelvic floor physiotherapy, to get the kind of, like, muscle.

Okay, so first I just have to come in here and say, the vagina is incredible. It is meant to flex and stretch. Like, it is designed for fetuses to be able to shoot out it and for it to go back to normal.

Shoot out?

Shoot's not, like, not the right word for that, but to, you know, be birthed and then to go back to normal. So you can have trauma from childbirth. You can have tearing. You can have, like, muscular issues. And so like you were saying, pelvic floor. Physical therapy can be a great option if you, you know, did have any sort of medical issue that happened around the birth or you're feeling, like things are just not feeling the same for you. But in general, like, the vagina really is meant to go back to normal. And this question is really coming from. We women have been taught to be so self conscious about the tightness or looseness of our vaginas. I mean, you would hear that, like, that would be an insult on the, you know, inside in school all the time, like, oh, she's so loose and stuff like that.

Yeah. I hate to break it to you, but yeah, penises are not loosening up vaginas.

No, they absolutely are not.

So I think especially the idea that, like, the more men that she has sex with will somehow loosen her up. But if she is in a monogamous relationship and has a lot of sex with one person, that somehow that doesn't.

The logic doesn't logic not how it works at all. I think we've talked before about this meme that we like to post every once in a while that's like, it tries to flip this whole idea on its head. And it's a picture of a sausage. And it's like, this is the sauce. This is the penis of a virgin. It's like a big plump sausage, like, whose penis has never been squished by a vagina. And then it shows like this little like skinny little cocktail weenie. And it's like, this is the penis of a man who's had a lot of sex and it's been crushed in the vaginas. Like, it's such a funny meme. And like, obviously that's not real. Nobody ever talks about penises being crushed. Like, oh, you've had so much sex, your penis has been crushed and it's just this tiny little thing. So why are we talking about, oh, you've had so much sex, you've had a baby and now your vagina's all loose. It's like, get out of here. You can't have it one way, but not the other. So all that to say is, for the most part, the vagina really does go back to normal after giving birth. And the anxiety that you're having about your vagina is, is not based in reality. It's based in all this bullshit crappy socialization that you received. You're fine. And yeah, if you're part. So I, I almost cut you off when you were saying, like, some men have said really shitty things. We have, like, very rarely. Like, I didn't want to. I almost cut you off from saying that because I was like, I didn't want to cause more anxiety for women. Like, I'm talking about very rare, a handful of times across years, you know, we've had women say, like, my husband told me that, like, it doesn't feel the same or like it feels looser. And like, that was a fucked up thing to say. That's not kind. Especially if someone has just birthed your child. Like, fuck you. But again, that's very rare. That is not like every man secretly on the side, like, oh, my God. Actually, like, her vagina is totally loose. So I will say that as well. And yeah, if your partner, like, like, is saying to you, it sounds like, what if we read behind the lines, between the lines, it sounds like this person, your partner is telling you, I like sex the same, and you're not wanting to believe him.

So.

Yeah, just believe him. Yeah, I think he's telling you the truth.

Yeah. Why would he be lying to you? All right, Vanessa. How to participate when he's on top. I assume this is coming from a woman saying, I'm on the bottom. How do I participate when he is on top of me?

Yeah, and I love this question because again, it goes back to, like, the mechanics of sex. All these technical details that we feel like we should know.

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Yeah, we'll put the link for it in the show notes too, so you can hop right over there. So, okay, let's talk about how to participate. So I love that you're asking this question because we do hear from a lot of men saying, I feel like my partner doesn't really engage with me during intercourse. Like, lifting up, he's doing his thing and she's just kind of lying there, not enthusiastic, not really participating. And it does go back to, you know, we've talked a little bit about how women in male, female relationships are having way less pleasure, way fewer orgasms. So we also need to talk about the fact that, like, intercourse in particular tends to not be the most pleasurable activity for women. Like, 91% of women say it's not their favorite, favorite activity.

Yeah, definitely not until. Not until you get the involved.

Well, not until you get our ultimate sex guides involved and learn how to make it more pleasurable for women. But yeah, so all that, like, it's complicated. It's not just that women are, like, being lazy and lying there. A lot of it's like, we don't know what to do or we're feeling bad because we're not feeling pleasure and we're feeling like something's broken with us, or we're having sex that we don't actually want to be having because we feel like we're supposed to. That's our womanly duty. So. So this is actually a very complicated question that there could be a lot, like, layered up into, but I.

Or there could also just be the, like, oh, well, like, I'm. Aren't I supposed to just, like, let him do his thing?

Yeah, so. But no, you're not supposed to just let him do his thing.

Unless. Unless that is very specifically what you guys want or, like, what he is want. He has a fantasy of, like, I want to, like, do this. And you talk about it, and you're like, okay, cool. I'm gonna. Like, I'm gonna. Let's kind of play this scene out where, like, I'm just lying there.

There. Yeah. I mean, that's very niche.

That's very niche. So I'm saying, like, unless. Unless your partner is literally asking for the experience of that of you doing nothing.

That's okay. Anyways, you should be. Even though your partner is the one who's on top and kind of, like, maybe a little more in control of it, you can and should still be participating in the sex that the two of you are having. So let's just go over a bunch of different things that you could do. You could use your hips to kind of, like, push back into his thrust. Like, match his thrusts. That can be really fun. Use your hands to just touch all over his body. Make eye contact with him. Talk dirty to him. Pull him in for a kiss. You could grab him and flip him over into a different position.

Oh. Take control.

Take control of yourself. What else could you do to participate? Right. What would feel good for you as a man?

I mean, like, making some amount of noise.

Noise. Yeah.

Assuming it's feeling good.

Yeah.

Even if it's not. If it's not feeling good, then get the ultimate sex guide and start implementing things that are going to make it feel better for you if you are having intercourse that is not enjoyable. Like, we are not saying do these things to put on an act.

Yeah. No, no, no.

So it's like, if. If none of the things that Vanessa just suggested. If. If all those things sound crazy to you. Cause you're like, well, that would be so out of alignment with how I'm feeling. That's not an integrity. With, like, the way I'm actually feeling, then let's work on fixing the way that you are feeling, because there are ways that we can make this experience Much better. Even if intercourse really isn't the most pleasurable activity for you, there are a lot of ways that we can augment it to start making it. It a lot more pleasurable and then doing these things start to feel a lot better. But, yeah, I mean, just sort of like making some amount of noise, like verbal feedback, whether that's talking dirty or just like, moans that are aligned with how you are actually feeling. I think, you know, that's something that we do hear from a lot of men where it's like, I cannot tell what is going on with her when we're doing. I can't tell if she's enjoying it. I can't tell if I'm going, like, in the right direction or the wrong direction in terms of, like, bringing her more or less pleasure. It feels like I'm kind of all alone, and then I'm just like, okay, well, then I guess I'm just doing this for me because I'm already here. So. Yeah, I think it's just really being there with him, like, energetically.

Yeah.

And noise, talking, talking. Hormones can go a really long way, especially with just some physical feedback of, like, touching and moving a little bit, even if it's not in, like, perfect harmony with him. Because you can't really move. Move that much when you're on the bottom.

No, it's just. It's just like rocking your hips, like a little pelvic tilt, like slightly back and forth.

Yeah. Or like, you know, kind of squeeze. Like, do some Kegels.

Yeah, A little squeeze could be nice.

Yeah. Yeah.

I will say, I do think, like, when you're trying to. When both partners are trying to, like, thrust and you're on different rhythms, that can be a little weird. So, like, you do want to make sure you're doing it at the same time, but it's. Yeah. When you're on the bottom, it's a subtle thing.

Yeah. Or, I mean, you know, try moving a little bit and being like. Like, hey, like, do you. Do you like that? Or, you know, try. Try to get some feedback. Like, oh, is. Is that good for you? Or, you know, or do you, like, do you need me to be a little more still?

Yeah.

And then maybe shift to some of the other things.

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No, you can't. So spontaneous and responsive desire are the two sex drive types. We talk about them often on Instagram, but we've never done a podcast episode about them. So let us know if you want a full podcast breakdown. Come over to Instagram. We're at Vanessa and Xanderander with an X and just send us a DM because I'm curious to know if people are into this, but they're the two sex drive types. Basically, where they boil down to is where you feel desire first in your brain or in your body. Most people think desire is supposed to be spontaneous, but responsive desire is just as much of a thing, especially for women. Especially for women. Research shows that about 75% of women have responsive desire. So whenever people hear us talk about this, they inevitably are like, okay, but how do I get spontaneous? But spontaneous isn't better than responsive. It's just different. They both have their pros, they both have their challenges. So one is not better than the other. And what this model is really meant to do is help normalize that desire works in different ways for different people. And it's not even this rigid, like you're just spontaneous or just responsive. Everybody can experience both kinds. It's not meant to put us in boxes, but in general, it's meant to normalize that some of us need to feel physical arousal first before mental desire starts to kick in and we start thinking like, like, oh, this is feeling good. I should have more of this. Let's keep going. So you can't. Yeah, you can't, like, really teach yourself or, like, switch your desire type. But again, if you want us to do a podcast episode, we can break down, like, what the two types are, how they work. And inevitably, in every relationship, there's, like, one partner who's responsive and one partner who's spontaneous. So we can talk about how to make sure, how to create an environment for both of your desires to flourish.

I think that there are definitely some way. Yeah, I don't know if I would go as far as to say that, like, you can switch them, but there's definitely some ways, if you are a responsive type, to be able to sort of, like, short circuit it, so to speak, or, like, to. To really decrease the amount of time, I think, to, like, jump from being, like, not thinking about sex to be thinking about sex. I think that the. When we think of responsive desire, there.

Are ways to work with your desire.

Yeah, there's ways to work with it and really make it almost in many ways, feel more spontaneous. But. But, yeah, it's like, you're not gonna just, like, wake up one day being kind of, like, your brain wired totally differently.

All right, well, that brings us to an end of this round of Ask a Sex Therapist. Thank you so much for listening, and join us again. And next week, we release new episodes every Thursday.