Free-Range Hunting in Argentina with Remi Donnelly of Terra Pampa

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To the Hunt west podcast, here's your host, Jaden Bales.

Welcome back everybody. This is Jaden Bales and I wanted to provide you with a brief introduction to today's podcast with Remy Donnelly. Remy is the son of the owners of Terra Pampa. It is a big cattle ranch here in Argentina and it's where I've been spending, spending my time getting to know the place, getting to know the people and the hunting here. Remy is an awesome, awesome guy. Super kind and super fair when it comes to hunting with the people who come from all over the world, but largely the US and he's been really great host for me. So I really appreciate him taking some time and sitting down and talking about terra pompa. This ranch that we're sitting on here is 90,000 acres. There's a 6,000 acre section of high fence hunting. Since I've been here, the only one guy has been in there and that's over two weeks. So their bread and butter is free range stag hunting and they're really, really good at it. So there are also black buck to hunt. They're just like a little pronghorn that we would be hunting in the US and they have these like spirally horns that come out the top of their head and they live out in the flat stuff. Very similar hunt. There's also water buffalo which I haven't hunted yet and that's a pretty main staple of hunting down here. Those are all free range as well as pig hunting. I actually dug into the, the bush, the dirty, nasty, thick stuff that they have here, they call it the susio. Been chasing some pigs around trying to get one for the, the barbecue pit, but haven't got one yet obviously. Hopefully by the end of the season, the end of my time here, I'll get one that we can do an asado with. This whole Argentina experience has been really cool because I've had the chance to get to know these guys and get to know the hunting and the experience. And I can like really assuredly say at this point in time it is a top notch operation. It's not just a top notch international operation, but the accommodations, the food, the people, the, the logistics that they have nailed down at this place is so awesome. And before I wanted to help people find out about it, I wanted to come and experience it for myself because I know a lot of international experiences can be hit or miss. And we talk about that on today's podcast and some questions that guys can ask to make sure they don't run into Shysters when they're going abroad to do some hunting. I hope you enjoyed today's podcast. Remy was super apologetic that he's got some broken English at times, but he's. He's pretty dang good. His pronunciation is just kind of funny at certain points, in different words. But really appreciate, again, Remy and his whole family for hosting me down here with me and my friend Hayden while we experience some hunting, help guides out, do a little translating, and really just get to see what La Pampa is all about in Argentina. It's an incredible place, and I hope you enjoy this episode, especially if you're looking to figure out how to hunt internationally, because it's a good one, There's a bunch of information, and Remy's just an awesome dude. So, again, hope you enjoy the show.

You're listening to the Hunt west podcast.

You've never had a podcast?

You here never have a podcast.

No influencers?

No big camera guys?

No, we do have some people who come from, like, their experience or from a channel.

Some TV shows.

Some TV shows, yeah.

That's cool.

From the US and from Spain.

And from Spain, yeah. Where do you think most of your guys come from? Is it us or is it other places?

Yeah, I would say, like, 80% of our clients came from the U.S. so.

Most of the time, I mean, that's how I think. There's been one Danish dude, but everybody else has been from the US Pretty much. Huh? Yeah, I've seen this.

So far, we have a couple of people from Europe, but this year, I think it's going to be very, very few from Europe.

Okay, gotcha. So today we're recording a podcast with Remy Donnelly. Would you say you're the manager? What do you do?

I'm the son of the owner. Okay.

Yeah, but you do more than just be the son. You're, like, managing.

I'm very lucky because my grandmother bought this ranch. My great grandfather. Sorry, bought this ranch many years ago. Now it's my father and my uncle, the one, who are in charge of the company. It's a cattle, an agricultural company. And in this ranch specifically, we do hunting.

But you don't do hunting on all your ranches. It's just like this is the main one.

This is the main one where we do cattle and hunting.

Okay. Why do you decide to do hunting here and not the other ones?

Because on the other ones, it's more agriculture. So that's basically.

That's the focus.

Yeah.

It's not because you make more business.

More money with the. With the agriculture Than with the hunting.

Yeah. So is it a. Was it a passion project of your great grandpa or your grandma or.

My. My grandmother, yeah. Basically she started with a. With the hunting business like 40 years ago in 1978. And well, she had to quit that business for a couple of years when her daughter get ill. And then my father started again like in 2007. Okay.

So there was like a little bit of a break between.

Yeah, there was a break in between where we have like outfitters working another property.

Okay, that makes sense. We are sitting in the Kincho. It's like this kitchen and living room little area. Was this like part of the old outfitting place?

Yes, yes, yes.

So was like, was it, would you say a little. Was this high quality back in the 70s and like 80s or whatever? Like how was, how was it originally? Do you know?

I don't really know.

Yeah, it's not like you were around, right?

Yeah, people were used to these kind of services and lodging. But yeah, I think it's important to know that by that time there was an anal Twitter working here. And that makes the difference between something we have been talking about, about it's not the same when the owner is operating the place and whether it's an outfitter. I think it's a big difference.

Do you think it's just because the people who own it, they kind of care more about what's on it all the time and what people experience or like, why do you think that's a big difference?

I think that outfitter people who is like leasing a place for a couple of years, they know they're going to leave someday. There's many things. One of them is they don't really care much about the resource because I don't care if I kill all the stag next season. If the other one are not going to be there hunting, then there is no much investment in infrastructure. So you cannot put money on a piece of land you're not going to have the next couple of years.

Yeah.

So most of the places here in Argentina which are managed by outfitters, they don't have much investments, they don't have much infrastructure. Yeah, everything is pretty standard and they are ready to go to another place.

Well, and it's one of the things that like I think I was surprised by when I showed up is like this place that we're sitting in is awesome. But the hotel that all of the hunters are in is like next level. And it was like built in 2019, right?

Yes.

Did you guys basically. Was that like all Right. This year we're going to just. We're going to make this like a really, really quality experience or like what.

Was the idea there big decision because it's a family company and it's not my. With my father and my, my uncle the one who takes most of the decisions. And when you were used to like a very like agriculture where you have a price set on the market, you're not used to go for to sell something.

Yeah.

It's just okay. The price is there. You have the soybean and the corn, you have the cattle and you sell it to. To that price. So we're not good. We're not used to in the company as like making marketing and everything. Go. Go out and sell. So for us was. That's a big thing.

Yeah.

I think we are very bad at selling.

I don't know.

We try not to over promise always. And that makes you like sometimes you lose clients because you're not. There's people outside who is over promising everything and it's hard to convince someone to come to your place if I don't know the expectations. You don't want to build much expectations. Yeah, we prefer they get surprised when they get here. Yeah.

That's exactly how I was. I was like holy crap. Like this place is super clean. The fruit is all good. I eat with both like the guides and I've eaten with like the clients and it's great in both places. Like I'm like obviously the client experience is top notch. Like it's a different thing but just like top to bottom you run like a really tight ship. I like compared to what I anticipated. Like the guys are also really good about passing on young stacks. Like they don't just like shoot everything in sight. And I thought that was really different than what I expected to.

Yeah.

And that's also something that we like. Most of our guides work here the whole year. There is some. There's many things like one of them it's. They know perfectly well every corner of the ranch. Yeah. They know how they have been here the whole year. So they have been seeing animals. They know what to expect, what to kill, not to kill. And then the second one they cannot do. They say bullshit because they have to stay here the whole year round. So. And they want to keep hunting here. So they try to over deliver like a good service. It's not just okay I'm. I'm guiding here for a month and then next year I don't know what I'm going to be. Well we tried that's why we really like to have our own guides and people working on the ranch the whole year.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. They actually work as really good team together. Like guys are, you know, helping each other out when they can. Like meat comes in to the carnice area and like everything, like guys always are jumping in. It's kind of cool probably because they all ranch together all year and like you said, they live together.

They live together. It's like a big family because depending on what time of the year here we have between 20 and maybe 40 people working here. Between the cattle, the hunting, the lodging, we have outsources people repairing fences all over builders somewhere. So we have a lot of people here working.

Oh, that makes sense. Okay, so what are the like core species that people are hunting when they come down here?

Like, the main species is the red stag. Argentina, I think it's pretty famous for the red stag. Basically in Argentina you have like, you can hunt the red sack in the mountains or more in the plain. La Pampa, I think on the mountain is more like, maybe more spectacular because of the landscapes. So you're in the mountains and it's like, probably it's hunting like in Colorado or hunting out in Colorado.

Yeah.

And in La Pampa, I think it's more exciting. Excitement. Exciting. Yeah. Because I don't know, it's like you feel so close to, to the animals and I think that's a, that's a big difference between hunting in the Patagonia down baton in the mountains and here in Apamba.

The one thing I noticed though is like the sunrises and sunsets every day are spectacular here and like they last forever. It seems like. It's like really. I'm not used to hunting flat country and it is way prettier than I expected because I'm normally a mountain guy. Yeah, it's really different.

And like for people who has been hunting at all elk or in the Patagonia, I really recommend you if they like the red star hunt you can do. It's not going to be the same experience hunting in the Patagonia in La Pampa that in New Zealand. So if you're. I think it's. It's not okay. I have the checklist of a red stag. That's it. I think it's like the different experience. It's going to be a different experience. Totally different experience.

Oh, that makes sense. So how does a guy like get a tag? Like how did, how do, do they need to do anything like to do that or is that all taken care of by you guys?

No, in Argentina it's very simple. Most of the. I would say 99 of the places is private land. Where you are, where you. Where you will be hunting. You just. Your outfitter will just buy a hunting license for you and then that's it.

So it's all included in the deal?

It's all included in the deal, yeah.

Oh, that's cool. So everybody has to. Who comes down? I got this question was like everyone needs to hunt with a guide, right? Like for all the species or is there any difference?

With a guide? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One of the guys.

Yeah, yeah. Usually you don't have hunt by yourself. Yeah. Just mainly for safety also.

Yeah.

Like to be with someone who knows and of course, like what is the same when you're hunting in Wyoming? Someone who is coming from California. Yeah. It's probably don't get much chances without a guide. Right.

Yeah.

You have way more possibilities hunting with someone who is from the area, knows the animals, know the species than someone who is not.

I helped a guy last year come from California to Montana and he fell in a creek in the middle of the winter and like had a really bad like close scary interaction. And like down here it's like obviously frozen creeks and grizzly bears aren't a problem, but wild boars and buffalo definitely can be.

Right?

Yeah. It's really uncommon like to be attacked by one animal if they're not in. They don't feel. If you give them an escape. It's really uncommon to be at. To be attacked. It's by one of those animals.

Yeah.

If you are hunting and they are wounded, that's when string goes south. Yeah. It can be more dangerous.

Okay. So when it comes to like the approach, like how do you guys. What's like the main way that people are hunting for all these species? Is it spot and stock or is it chasing roars? Like what's the. What's the normal experience?

Well, it depends on what time of year you're coming. We try to do everything spot and stock. There are like for example, there are scenarios like for example, if you want to hunt a big boar, you have to do it. Usually we recommend to do it at night from a blind. That's so you'll have way more chances to get a big one than spot and stocking all over the ranch. But yeah, we try to do everything as part of stock.

Yeah. It's so much like hunting out west actually. Like more than I thought. Like it. There's parts of the ranch. It's basically like two sides of the ranch. There's the susio, which is like the brush, the thick stuff, the thorns reminds me a lot of like the thick stuff in New Mexico or Texas. And then there's like the LA Pampa, which is basically just like parts of Colorado, Wyoming, like Nebraska. It's very open and rolling and a lot of sand dunes.

We, we are very, we are very lucky because we are located in a like right in the middle of the pampa.

Uhhuh.

And it's kind of like an strategically placed because it's like a kind of valley. So we have both. Like it's a, it's a big ranch. You can have bushes and the open like most of the ranches here or have one or the other one. They don't have both.

Yeah.

When, when your family bought this place, was that not for stags necessarily, but was that strategic for cattle?

Yeah. What it has been always been a cattle breeding ranch. So we produce calf here. All that we produce, we send them to another ranch and we do the fattening there and then to the market.

Okay, so like a feed lot and then.

Yeah, just imagine like we bought this ranch almost 100 years ago. 100 years ago.

What year was that?

Like do you remember the beginning of the 20s?

Wow. It's been your family for a long, long time.

Long, long time here.

Yeah.

That's cool. Okay, so if red stag is, you know, on someone's bucket list, obviously this is like the place to do it. But you let me so nicely and I appreciate it so much to go chase blackbuck. What's like, what's the deal with blackbuck? Would you say they're the number two hunted species on the place?

Yeah, probably it's number two. Then the wild boar, then the buffalo. Those are the main species we have in free range.

Yeah.

And then we also have a state where it's a 6,000 acres high fence and where we have like stags where we try also to improve the genetic from the whole ranch. And then some other species like axis deer, fallow deer, mou, some ships.

Yeah.

And those are mostly in the 6,000 acre estate deal.

Yeah. You may find maybe one fallow deer, Axis deer outside. On the outside, it's not very common.

They got there on accident.

Yeah. From us, not from a neighbor.

Okay.

They jump fences, but you can sometimes we kill few.

Yeah.

The same with the like big stacks you can find maybe a big one on the, on the, on the free range. Sometimes they just Jump all over. And you are very, very lucky.

Yeah.

What are like the characteristics of the stags that guys are shooting in the free range?

Very, very wild stacks. It's a very, very challenging also hunt like people. Many people don't expect to walk as much. They are very. They're going to smell you from a mile away. Maybe.

Yeah.

Whatever. Any movement you do on the, on the field, they're going to notice. So it's. I think it's very, very challenging. And basically like, if you're talking about like the. How is a trophy, what we like in Argentina is thick and long. That's what we prioritize.

Like a big frame and also heavy.

Heavy. I know like, you know in Americans, like the, like the crowns on the. Yeah, but yeah, you can fight between 5 and 5, 6 and 5, 6 and 6, 7 and 7. It's rare. It's very uncommon to have fine. Bigger. Bigger than seven and seven. Seven and eight.

Okay.

So they're basically.

Yeah.

It's funny because we saw Stag yesterday. He looked just like an elk from the US and the guy I was, I was joining with, like the client, he was like, ah, I don't really want to shoot one that looks like an elk. You know, like the exact same.

Yeah, we understand that.

Yeah.

That's what. Something that you need to talk with your guide, explain them what you want, then he will make sure something. You find something.

Yeah. So what are some other things you think would be helpful for people coming down that would make them better clients?

I think it's very important to be like humble. We talk a bit about a few days. I think it's very. Yeah, being humble is like. I think it's one of the most important things. I don't try to trust your guide. Trust the outfitter. I think that's. Those are one of the.

That's the big one.

That's the big. And yeah, of course, if you come yourself on shape, you make you work out a bit, that's gonna help. That's. We always say, like you here you bring. You build your own luck. Yeah. So the more in shape you are, the more you will be able to walk. And the more you walk, the more animals you will see. The more animals you will see, the better trophy you will get. Statistically, I, I say the same thing.

When I'm working with guys. It's like if you're wanting a big one, it's just a numbers game at some point.

Right.

Like, you have to see more of them to find the top end. Usually Unless you just get lucky, which can happen, but not very often.

Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

So what other questions should someone ask, like when they're booking? Like, what do you think would be really helpful for somebody to be, like, what kind of gear they need to bring? Like those kinds of questions, like, what would you suggest?

Yeah, obviously the gear, it's. It's important. The climate here is not so. It's not so hard. It's not so cold, it's not so windy. So it's not a. It's not something. It's not as important in the state. Maybe you're going to the mountain where it's a very, very cold weather here, you know, you. At least in our place, you will be sleeping in a lodge. So you'll need.

Yeah, you don't need very much.

You don't need very much gear.

Do you recommend people bring rifles or should they use yours? Like, what are your thoughts on.

I think it's a hunter decision. They can bring their own rifle. It's just a bit. It's a hazard. Like to arriving into the state, to Argentina. You have to do like, a lot of procedures. Cost you money and time, basically. Yeah. If you want to bring yours, it's okay. Yeah, it's possible.

You guys have a whole bunch, though. We were looking at them as. Because I was curious, like, what you guys had for options. And there's like Bergara B14s and like, people listening would know kind of what these are.

There's Remington 700.

There's Ruger M77s. Like, there's really. There's like, quality rifles here. It's not like people are just getting old, Russian, like, crappy ones. It's really good.

We try to have good rifles. Well, if you want to bring yours, that's totally possible. I will say 35% of the clients decide to bring their own rifles.

Pretty small percentage.

Yeah.

Right now there's a guy in the hotel or hunting at the. Out of the hotel who brought his bow. How often do people bring their bow to hunt?

I would say between 5 and 10%.

Okay.

Then obviously, depending what you're hunting, any. Any stag will be a trophy in free range. Yeah, of course. It's way more difficult, way more challenging. I have a huge respect for bow hunters because it's way more risky. It's way more. Way more difficult and challenging. But yes, if you're gonna bring your wall, just make sure you're coming the right time because it's gonna be really hard. Very hard.

Very hard.

Well, and he got a shot yesterday and sailed an arrow over back of a stag. And so, like, it's cool. Like, there's definitely opportunity, but it does seem that compared with, like, how thick it can be compared with, like. And I really like this because this is how my outfits, I work for do it. But if you draw blood that you count that animal, like, you know, because you just don't want to be stacking up.

Yeah, it's a kill animal for us. Yeah. I think it's in any. Any. Mostly any place in the world. It works that way.

Yeah.

What I was going to say. I forgot.

Well, it's just one of those things. Like, I know a lot of people love their bow hunting. Like, I do, too. And it's a lot easier to travel with the bow. There's not all this extra paperwork.

Yeah, yeah, of course, you're right. But like, many, many people, they. They brought the bow, they try for a couple of days, and they. They see if, okay, I. I will be. I will be. I will keep trying or I will switch to the rifle. It's really difficult when you are in the bushes because, okay, maybe you have a close tag, but the window, because it's so thick. The bushes are so thick. Yeah. That. The window, you can. You can shoot it maybe one second.

Yep.

And if you don't get that shot. Okay. You're gonna miss the stag. Hey, it's very, very. That's why it's very, very challenging, for sure.

And Hayden and I went with Sixto, who's, like, I'd say he's the. He's the main guy for stags. Like, he is growing up here and, like, is a. Just a gangster. He's really cool. We went with him scouting one day and, like, we had a stag at 25 yards, and there was like, no, there wouldn't have been a shot. We weren't trying to hunt him. We were just looking at him.

Yeah.

But I was like, Hayden and I discussed it. We were ranging in the stag. We could see his antlers, but you couldn't. You couldn't thread a arrow through the brush. You could shoot a bullet, but it was eye opening. I was like, this would. That would suck, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, of course, like, I need to get more flow. If you're with your bow, you have. You will have all your stack at 80, 100 yards. When you're in the rifle, maybe you're going to see them 30, 40 yards.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing that I. I really enjoyed Hunting was like the antelope, the black buck.

Yeah.

They're almost identical to the pronghorn in the U.S. and I think, you know, I saw a YouTube video of a guy before I came down here who was trying to bow hunt one and it feels like that would probably just be like beating your head against the wall. You just like don't have enough time.

Yeah. Well, it's for. You're probably gonna stay a whole week hunting up a blackbuck.

Yeah.

I think the only chance you will have is when you're walking on top of the dune and if the BlackBerry.

Is there on the other side.

On the other side, then you have a chance.

Yeah. So it's all about. We talk about it all the time. It's like all about choosing the stock. And I also think the guys, the guides are really good about choosing stocks, though. That's one of the things. Even with rifle hunters, a lot of guys aren't wanting to shoot past like 200 yards, which I appreciate. And the guides are really good about just like choosing stockable black buck or choosing stockable red deer too. That's a big piece of it.

I think they do a great job. And obviously, like when you're in the field and you need to decide if, okay, I'm gonna stock this one or the other one, it's like gambling. Yeah. It's like, okay, you know you can approach X amount of animals in the whole week. Yeah. So it's like gambling. Okay. We're gonna go to effort after this one or decide to go. Not to go.

The guys are also really good about wind. They like create every plan about hunting around the wind. Like that's the main thing, huh?

Yeah, I think they have. They spend here the whole year round. So they know how animals move. They know how. Okay. If they're gonna smell you how to approach them, what's the best way? I think that's. That's what makes him.

That's what makes him good.

A good guy.

Yeah, absolutely. When people do kill, are they able to bring back any meat or antlers?

No, any meat for sure. It's gonna be like stupidly expensive.

Okay.

You get a permit and everything. I think it doesn't worth it. You're gonna eat your most of the wild meat you kill or the hunters who have been the week before have kill.

Yeah.

So you're gonna have a lot of wide meat here. Regarding the antlers. Yes. You can get your trophy back home. It's an export process which can take 812 month.

Okay. So expect like A year or something afterwards.

Maybe less. Hopefully. Yes. Less than a year.

Hopefully less.

I don't know. I don't like to open my.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.

Well, the.

The butcher shop here is like, it's always full of meat. But also, like, I went in there and all of a sudden there were buffalo. Quarters were gone. And I was like, where'd they go? They're like, oh, we just burger. Made a whole bunch of burger. And like, that's what the guys are eating. That's what they're eating.

And also, like, all the. The guys take me to the. To the town, to the families, friends. Some of them, they sell. It's good, but we don't know about that. Yeah, but it's more money for them. We are very happy if they. If they can take advantage of all that meat, because in Argentina, we're not allowed to process and everything and sell it. Some.

Some, like commercially.

Yeah, commercially. So we're very happy if the guides, like, here in Argentina, even the police will give me to the police because they need it.

Yeah, that's really cool.

It's funny. It's funny and sad at the same time, right?

Yeah.

Because they don't have. We give gas, oil, meat, all kind of stuff to the police. If you want them to be around taking care of your ranch, you need to. Yeah.

Oh.

Just to finish that thought on getting antlers home, There were two exporters and now there's only one. Right?

Yeah. And we're working on that. Like, this year we're going to do all the export ourselves.

Okay.

This is one of the advantages I'm talking about. Like, as we are a big company, it's not just hunting. We have time. We have to put effort on. On this.

Yeah, we were talking about it too. Like, so I. I have like one black buck. It doesn't make sense. I. I think Marcos might make me a knife. Yeah. Yeah. But I have one black buck, and it's a really small head and antler or horns, like, compared to like a stag. It doesn't make financial sense for me to ship that home. But you were saying, like, if someone has a group of people and all of them ship them to the same place, that's a little better, right?

Yeah. Of course, the more you have, like some fixed cost and some variable cost shipping, one small crate for a black buck, it's gonna be very expensive. And if you ship 10 animals, it's gonna be like three or four times than one. One black bag. So if yours. If the cost for one blackboard is 100. Shipping 10. 10 in one crate is gonna be 400. Let's see.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So it's. I would highly recommend if you're coming with a group, sending anything, one crate.

Okay. Do you think it's like two to $3,000 or $4,000? Like, what's like a range, would you say? Like, people expect 3,000? Okay.

It depends on. Yeah, depends on where. Where are you shipping it, size of the crate, and what is. What's inside.

But the euro process is all included here. Right. Like, Chango is out there boiling skulls, like the day after they hit the ground. Like, he's. He's just machine gun.

Really good.

Yeah, well, that's. That's one of the things, like the exports. Okay. Companies here, they have like a monopoly, let's say.

Yeah.

Of the. Of the market. That's why we. We're getting on the tab.

Yeah.

Because we are tired of them.

That makes sense. Well, and you guys, if someone wants to taxidermy it, like, you're also salting the hides and getting them like stable and ready to go. So, like, really, like, if a person shoots something besides the paperwork, they don't have to do anything except for the paperwork and then paying for it. But they don't have to worry about.

No, you don't have to worry about. Be. Be patient.

Yeah, yeah, be patient. That's going to be really nice to get that figured out for folks too, because doing it in house makes. I think it gives a lot of people more trust too. They're like, oh, we don't have to go through another fourth party or whatever.

Yeah, of course. I think it's going to be like a great asset for. For us. Like, I will. I will take care from you from the moment you came to Argentina to arrive. From the moment the stacks get to your home.

Yeah, that's really nice.

That's gonna be like a. Yeah, a big thing.

Do the antlers and skulls get split to fit into crates better? Or is it hunter?

Like, some hunters decide to like to cut it and they put everything in a smaller crate.

Okay. But just depends on what the hunter.

Yeah, depends on the hunter.

That's really nice. Okay, so let's see. There's buffalo here too. Do you. Are people taxiderming the buffalo?

Most of them, they do shoulder mount.

Okay.

Like, Americans do show the amount of pretty much everything they kill.

Yeah, that's weird.

Style Europeans, they do more European style just at school with horns or antlers. But yeah, I will say Most of the people take everything home.

Yeah, that's pretty cool. Okay, so do you have any final advice for people, like, as they're looking? I mean, whether they go terra pompa or a different outfit, like, what are some things that they should be looking for to make sure they don't. That they get a good experience and then, like, they. They get what they expect.

I think it's important that when you are. When you start, like, your. Your search, let's say, like, even if it's in a show or through the Internet, like, as always, for references, try to speak with someone on the other side who has been there. I can tell you, like, obviously, like, most of the references are very good, but you need to know the right question, what to ask. Like, hey, you feel this guy? It's an outfitter or is the owner of the place? I think that that's our. One of the main assets we have in our ranch, that we are the owners and outfitters.

Yeah.

I think that those places who are selling for 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 lodges.

It's a red flag.

That's a red flag.

Yeah.

Yeah. And be. Be very, very, very sharp with your questions. Like, this is your place. This is. This is. Are you gonna be there? Because many. Yeah. Many people, they will tell you. Yes, and then. Okay, they will lie, maybe. But ask sharp question, and maybe you will. You will see if it is. Yeah. If they're telling the truth or not.

Yeah. That's one of my favorite parts about this place. Like, your dad was in here last night, poured us a glass of wine. He's, you know, up a throne. And then you're also one of the, like, bosses, and, like, you guys are here, and that's, like, really nice.

So, yeah, we really enjoy doing this.

Yep.

Speaking of the devil, he just walked in.

Okay.

All right, that was perfect timing. We'll just wrap that up right there. So thank you, Remy. I really appreciate you guys having me and doing this.

The audience enjoy.

Oh, I think.

Sorry for my English.

No, it's okay. We'll also do a full English podcast, talking about some of the specifics of how to hunt and stuff, so it'll be good.

Okay, Good luck with everybody.

Thank you.

Keep hunting. Bye. Bye.

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