The Messy Montana Draw with Hayden Richins

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To the Hunt west podcast, here's your host, Jaden Bales.

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All right. Welcome to the Hunt west podcast, everybody. I'm sitting here in Argentina with my good buddy Hayden Richins. We're gonna break down Montana today. Both the deer and the elk draw, because those are due on April 1, same day that Colorado's due. So people's got to make a decision there, and I really wanted to make sure to just kind of give an overview. And I think Hayden's in a position that a lot of people are in where the draw is really confusing, and we're trying to figure out what to do next so that you make sure you go hunting and don't put yourself in the zero point sandwich or, like, the zero percent draw sandwich. So, Hayden, what. What is kind of your knowledge about Montana and, like, where are you starting as far as the baseline is concerned? Because I think it's where everybody's at.

So the baseline is just confused. I would say so. So they have the two systems, and specifically for my situation, I would really like to do a hunt on the east side of the state using that river. So I'm just trying to decide or figure out would be the better way to put it. Figure out if I need a bonus point, a preference point, or if I just put in for the tag, how to manage that. That would be my.

That's your problem.

That's my problem. I don't really know where to start because how confused I am about how the system works.

Okay, so in Montana, I hope I get this right, because I've studied it up, I've applied, I've helped guys apply. But I'm still sometimes nervous about saying the details too, because there's a lot going on. But in Montana, you have, like, three types of general tags you can apply for. There's the big game combo tag, and I wrote down the numbers for that. The big game combo tag is deer and ELK, and that's $1300 or 1315 last year, this year. And then you have just the elk tag, which is technically called an elk combo. That's eleven hundred dollars and eleven fifteen dollars. And then you have just the deer combo, which is somewhere over 700 bucks. So there's three different types of draws you can put in for, basically, and two of them, you get one of the species you're looking for. You know, obviously, one of them has both of them. You basically have to decide, like, am I gonna try to get both A deer tag and an elk tag and try to increase my odds that way, or am I just gonna select one? But the odds are not too different because mule deer last year was 52% with no points. And then elk last year. Let me just like, I got gohan up. I'm cheating.

And when I. When we're going up about this, we had talked about this a little bit earlier. So it would be better that first, your odds are actually higher with zero points that first year than with the one point the second go round. So that's where my confusion really starts to kick in. Kick in? Yeah.

Okay, so this is the way that breaks down. Whether you do that elk and deer combo or like just the deer combo. Essentially the best way without having applied before is to opt to not put in with points to go in with zero. Because 25% of all the general tags are reserved for people with no preference or like that don't draw on the preference point pool.

Okay.

So last year with zero points, it was 57% draw for the elk and it was 52% draw for the deer.

And what was the one point?

If you had one point, you had zero percent of drawing.

Good.

That makes a lot of sense.

That makes sense.

Yeah. Essentially, if you're going in this year and you're trying to draw this year and you've never applied before, you kind of have a coin toss chance probably of getting a tag with zero points. But you have to make sure when you're applying to select the little box that says do not apply this year's preference point to the draw.

Okay. Yeah, but you can still buy the preference point at that same time. So I could buy for the next year. So, like say I'm trying to. I'm to trying. I want to do this hunt. I have the idea of the hunt. I'd love to do it this next year, but I could plan to do it in two to three years.

The way I would do it, I would just buy it during their points only period later in the year, just to eliminate confusion. Because in Montana. Yeah, it's just one of those things where I'm like, I would just take one bite at a time. And then obviously, if you apply in the separate permit drawing, it's basically like their limited quota drawing.

Yeah.

Then you get your bonus point there. So the points only period in Montana, and this is kind of Nice, is July 1 to September 30. But it's like every other year you have to apply or else they purge your points.

You have to Apply. You can't just sit and rack points every other year.

Yeah.

Okay. That's a good one to know.

Yeah. The other piece of Montana that's freaking confusing is if you're applying in the bonus system, AKA for like one of these limited tags. That's limited for residents as well. You have to first draw the general tag if you. I know. So if you're putting in for like these like big bull tags or some of like, like the 270 deer tag or whatever, and you're just like throwing a hail Mary at the specialty tags in Montana, you have to draw the general to be eligible first to even.

Put in for that.

Yeah. Okay. What happens is they give you an 80% refund if you're only trying to get those top end tags. You turn in your general every year. Every year that you draw it and don't draw your limited.

So you don't. It's not like you're forced to burn your points.

No, no, you're not.

You do get a 20% process fee, but.

Yeah, yeah.

But you're not forced to burn those points.

Right. So if you're doing the DRL combination, that's like $260. I mean, if you think about it as like an application fee, it's $260.

Yeah.

To do both those species or, you know, what is that, 140 or something? $150 on the. Just the deer.

And then I guess if you get tired of that, you could just go hunt that General.

Yeah, Ricky. Just go hunt the General.

Yeah.

You also have like a weird combination. Like on the deer and elk combo, you can refund just your elk tag and still just get a deer tag.

Okay.

And that. That is also an option for guys if they don't draw like the, you know, 700 series rifle tag or whatever. They were looking for something out in the. They can still go deer hunt on the combo.

Okay.

So I think we're like a little bit. But I think this is a good example. Like, it's just damn complicated.

Yeah.

The other question I get a lot of is, like, if I do draw one of these limited tags, say it's a breaks elk tag or a snowy little. The snowy elk tag. Can I still hunt general? You got to go look in like the regulations, because some places you can still hunt general when you draw a limited. Some places you can't.

Okay. So is that. That's just area dependent on if that limited tag will be fine for a general area? Yep.

The other thing is they're They've gotten to the point now where some of their general seasons. It's kind of like Wyoming, where they've trimmed back the season dates on some of their general seasons.

Okay.

In some areas. So it's not like blanket across the board.

Not like you can just bounce around the state at will.

Yeah. Especially up in that north central part. Yeah. Before you get moving too much, you could get. You can kind of get messed up. But the other cool thing is, is there are places that open, like, they're big backcountry areas that open on September 15th, just like Wyoming. So a guy could go and hunt mule deer with a rifle September 15th with their general, go back home, and then come back out for the rut later if they didn't kill. So that's kind of nice.

Okay. Yeah. So can we just break down also the difference in their bonus and their preference point structure just a little bit?

Yes.

Like, why should I do which. And like the reasonings behind that.

So the preference point structure is just for the general tags.

Okay.

Deer and the elk general. And the preference points is just a pure preference point system. The people with the most preference points get the tags.

Yeah.

So last year it was two preference points was 90 draw for deer, for example. And so really it took three to guarantee it. Yeah. Which there's some technicality in here, but we won't get into that unless you have three. It's not a guarantee.

But you're pretty sure.

But you're pretty sure.

Okay.

And on top of that, that's where the. The bonus point comes in when you switch over to the limited draws.

Okay. So only if you're looking for one of those premier areas, those limited areas, that's when you want to worry about the bonus point structure.

Exactly. And then the bonus point structure, just so people know it, is basically like they take however many points you have and then they square it. So if you have three points, you go in with nine entries plus one, because whenever you start off, you get just one entry anyway.

The application itself is one entry.

Yep. So whatever you have in points, square it and then add one and that's how many times your name is in the hat. And they've got the 9010 rule, so they won't. They won't go over 10 allocation in the draw for non residents.

Okay.

But everyone's basically like in the same pool and they draw names out of the hat. And then like, they don't have to issue that many resident or non resident tags. But it is part of the system.

But maximum 10% go to non res.

Correct. Okay. Yep. I was also just looking up, like, I think people getting a bunch of tags. Like we were talking about doing something with your dad and a party. You can party apply up to five people, but you can't have more than that. So that's a good. Just little logistical thing to think about and say.

So I believe my dad has one point up there. I have none. Is that gonna help or hurt us if we were to party up?

It would hurt you if you partied up. Because your dad can go in this year and he can go in and apply a new point to this draw. So he can go in with two this year.

Okay.

And he should draw well. The odds are good that he draws.

Okay.

And then you'll have like a coin flip in if you don't apply your point this year.

Okay.

Yeah, I know that's clear as mud. But I think it's, like, important because people all the time on the forums on Facebook and stuff after the Montana draw comes out, they're like, ah, they screwed it up or they're screwing up the system. And I think there was a big screw up in the system like two years ago or last year. But for the most part, it's also just the fact that the system is super confusing. People don't know how it works.

Yeah. I think a lot of people are in the same boat that I'm in where it's. I apply for states throughout the west and have kind of my ideas of hunts I'd like to do.

Yeah.

And there's different structures, but there's not the layers to the structure. So it's, you know, I have preference points or I have bonus points. And I understand those systems, but layering them on top of each other gets pretty hard to figure out how to manage.

Yeah. Yeah, it really does. But that's the nice thing about, like, if you're applying in a bunch of different states is sometimes you can just. Even if you're not totally paying attention, sometimes you'll get lucky and pull something, you know, like with your zero points or whatever.

So you were. Say a guy wanted to get an elk and a deer tag and they have no points. What would be like your couple years, I guess, plan to make sure that you're able to draw those both in the same year. What would. What would you go about?

So for like, the big game draw in Montana, I would basically go. I personally, I would plan on not hunting it this year. Yeah. I would just go buy my point this year. And then in 2026, you apply your point when you go in for the draw and you'll go in with two. And you should have pretty good odds if nothing drastically changes. The crappy thing is, is that it's taking three points to guarantee it. You only have like, you can only build points for every other year, right?

Yeah.

So as it creeps up into that three and four points, you're gonna, you're gonna have to be in the system and have a random kind of odd somewhere in that two point range.

Are they seeing much point creep with that system?

Not a lot. It hasn't been a lot. But they haven't changed tag numbers for non residents very much either. So I could see with how much Montana residents are wanting some change that it could, it could swing around, do something different in the future. But for now, I don't know if I was a betting man, I haven't done any math on this. So this is more just like me trying to throw a dart. Yeah. Spitball throw. Throw a dart at the wall. I'd say it was probably like 80% at 2 points this year. It just doesn't wiggle a whole lot because there's so many tags and there's so many applicants that are pretty consistent.

Okay.

Yeah.

Clear as mud.

Clear as mud.

So you'd say it, take that three years right now is what you'd have to do. But it's every other year. So you'd be like, yes, more than three years out to make sure. Like if you really wanted to plan a hunt up there and you had time on your side, that that's how.

I would think about it.

Five, six years till you could get those both at the same time would.

Be three years this time around. Three years probably. I mean, this is the hardest part about the, like the hardest part about all of these is like you're making plans for three, four, five years down the road. But if something changes like we just saw in Colorado coming in 2028, like then it just throws your plans that you had all set up and figured out out the window. So who knows?

Okay.

But yeah, we have seen. I just pulled up some of the. This is just for deer. The draw over the last few years has kind of bounced around. Like it was harder to draw deer in Montana in 2022 than it was last year.

What were the odds in 2022?

So just deer. Right. This we were talking when I said 90% at two points, that was for the DRL combo for just deer last year was 49%. So coin flip at one point and it was only 17% with one point in 2022. So it's gone backwards. Isn't that crazy?

Did they jump the number of tags or was that just a. I, I think it's more.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's. I'd have to dig into that a little bit more to say something knowledgeable about it. It's just one of those things, like, I think it just bounces back and forth depending on what different states are doing too. That's actually something that I was talking to somebody about today in Argentina. We have a client here who's like asking me about Montana and he was like, oh, I'm really concerned that there's going to be a bunch of people that jump from Colorado, like hunting in Colorado every year to going up there now that it went OTC to limited draw. And I was like, I don't know if it'll make that big of a difference, but I also wouldn't want to bet against it, you know.

Yeah, that's. Open up another can of worms with that one.

Yeah.

The whole topic of that. But so if a guy just wanted to make sure that he's going to get that, you know, at the same time, it'd be about three years out.

Yep. I'd plan for three years out just at this, at this stage in the game. The other cool thing though is like, if you do separate out those draws and you plan it out appropriately, maybe you can go get a deer tag, go hunt the place while you're still building on your elk side.

Okay.

And then go back and elk hunt it as well. Especially if you're a rifle person and, you know, you're rifle hunting the same kind of country and late October through November.

Okay.

Yeah. The big thing I'm like all jazzed up about right now though is. Is Montana's, I think, of a guy knows how to run a old school muzzleloader. There's that December muzzleloader season and I think it's probably pretty underutilized right now.

And what are their restrictions on their muzzleloader hunts?

It's very, it's. It's called the heritage muzzleloader season because it is like super primitive. It's basically like Hawkins style.

Oh, cool.

Yeah. And I don't want to go into like the, the technicalities of it because I don't have a memorized, but basically it's just Captain Ball freaking loose powder iron sight. It's the whole deal. Yeah. But if you're like a archery hunter like us and like you have one of those laying around, it's basically an archery hunt with maybe a little bit more yardage that you can stretch out to. So.

And what are the draws on something like that still going to be in that?

So that's just tacked on to every rifle season, whether it's a general season tag or it's like a drawn permit tag. That heritage muzzleloader season was created by the legislature.

Okay.

And the legislature just like was like, hey, we want to make sure there's a nine day December muzzleloader season.

That could be a hoot.

Yeah. Especially like it is. It's not a short season. I mean, all things considered, especially after hunting with a bow for six weeks and a rifle for five and then you've got another however many days with.

The muzzleloader, you could really stretch out a season and make sure you get something down doing that.

Yeah, for sure. The other thing that I think a lot of people don't realize is there are with your general tag, you can still hunt a few cows, you can hunt spikes, you can like do different things in different parts of the state. It doesn't just have to be the general antlered areas. So it's worth diving into the regulations on that because I think there's a lot of cool things that you could go dick around.

That's probably a whole series in and of itself trying to get through all that.

But. Yes, but. And then the other thing about their regulations is like they're not. Look, I can't. Nevada's got probably the most user friendly system. I think their website is just like really nice, but everybody else is about the same level. They just kind of suck.

We were going through that today.

Yeah. But if you actually spend some time and start getting to know the way that they do their regulations in Montana, you'll start piecing together what you can and can't do in different times a year. For instance, they'll have like you can shoot an either sex elk in archery season, but then when it comes to rifle season, you have to shoot a brow Tyne bull. Okay. So if someone is like, oh, I just want to get one with my bow, it's a lot easier. But it's not like that in every single unit. So you're gonna have to piece through what that looks like. The other thing, the other, the other cool thing, and this kind of falls into that same line. And maybe I'll break this down a little bit for people too. If you Are someone who wants to shoot like a mountain whitetail deer. There's a ton of them in Montana. I spent a little bit of time in Missoula last year and I was like shocked. I was like we were running into them while shed hunting and like they were just everywhere. I was like, holy crap. There's some. I think they can be still pretty tough to hunt because they act like whitetails. Right. Like they're in the thick stuff.

Yeah.

But there are some places where you can hunt whitetails with the general tag on a limited unit. So it's going to be a little bit less pressure.

Okay. So they do separate that though. So your whitetail and your mule deer.

Tag, they're the same tag?

Same tag.

Yeah. But different regulations in different units.

Okay. So some units you can hunt whitetail on a general tag, but not. Couldn't necessarily chase mule deer in that same area.

Exactly. So like in Area 270, like what we were just talking about the best deer tag in the state.

Yeah.

During archery season specifically, you can hunt the entire unit for an either sex whitetail. So a buck or doe whitetail with a bow.

Okay. So that's manageable. Wyoming does something pretty similar.

Yep.

Okay.

But just like Wyoming, because they do it with an over the counter tag, it gets so confusing. Yeah.

Know where you're going and yeah. Look ahead. Make sure you got some open. Open areas where you're wanting to be.

Yeah, exactly. Man. It's super tough. It's the same thing when you're hunting spikes and antlerless too. Like there's a lot of those big bull units that have general season spike and antlerless tags.

Okay.

I don't think it's quite as popular as like when you were down in Utah with your dad. Yeah. And it wasn't pretty busy.

Oh. So when we went down there, it was my first time actually hunting Utah. And they the. It was a limited area so we expected to have almost, you know, more or less to ourselves. And then we show up and every other camp has five guys at it and they're all just chasing spikes. So.

Yeah.

Stir things up pretty quick. And they're not after the bulls you're necessarily chasing, but it adds another little bit of.

Yeah. I haven't heard it being as popular as Utah, but there are still. There is that dynamic in Montana too.

Okay. People get really after those spikes down in Utah and it can add a little bit of a kink to it.

Yeah. And you know, maybe the nice thing about most people who chase spikes and antlerless elk is that they are not trying that hard. So if you get off the road, you're probably going to be fine. But it still is a pain in the ass if you're thinking about camp spots and just traffic on roads and stuff like that. Like it can add a kink that you don't necessarily like. I just wanted to look because I know like 380 is one of the elk areas. Yeah, 380 is a good example. Like a lot of people like that elk permit for any, for any bull, but they still have a general spike tag with rifle season.

And how long does that run through there?

It's the same season day. So October 26 to December 1 last year.

The whole season overlaps.

Yeah, the whole season overlaps. Okay, now we'll. I will give Montana this because they have such long seasons. I mean obviously like opening day is busy and sometimes around that Thanksgiving weekend can be pretty busy. But a lot of people, they're not out there every day all six weeks or five weeks long. So you can get some days, especially middle of the week where it's a little better.

Yeah.

Cool, man. What else is there to know about Montana?

So all of their trophy species just getting into that, that's all going to be based on your preference point system. There's not like a.

It's a pure bonus.

It's pure.

But it's a pure bonus points up there.

I should know this but.

Well, the nice thing is is like.

You always has me so backwards. Yeah, I just log in and hope I'm doing the right thing.

I spray and pray, man. That's a good tactic sometimes. At least with these randoms. For instance, I just pulled up, I wanted to look at mountain goat. Let's just pick one. There's. There's really not any. Okay. I shouldn't have chose mountain goat. There's not very many tags so it's hard to. It's hard to see what your odds are. But the point being that there's always a chance when you're in the draw. It's just not a very good one, you know, when you're in with for these like high end species.

So you're saying there's a chance?

Yeah, just. It's just a bad chance, you know. But when you're talking about, I mean this is the other thing. When you're talking about like trophy bighorn sheep, there's really no place that's, that's known to be producing as consistently as Montana. Guys will bitch to you that it's not as good as it once was or whatever. Like, oh, there's not as many two hundreds etc. And I'm like, you're, you're talking about 200 inch rams. Like that's gigantic. So I don't think it's necessarily as, as dire. Obviously those guys who live there and like hunt it and guide it, etc, they wish there was bigger ones all the time, but it's still a dang good place, especially compared to like Wyoming's. You got a lot of like 160 and like a big ones, like a 170 RAM. Compare that to Montana. It's the place to go for a big one. So. Yeah, man, I'm looking. It takes about to get a 1% odd. Well, maximum preference points in one of the breaks.

Yeah, if we're gonna go for it, let's really go for it.

Yeah. Maximum preference points. You're still under a tenth of a percent of drawing with max points. With maximum points. I said preference, but they're bonus. But yeah, you get the idea.

That makes you, makes you feel good about it.

Yeah. As long as you got your name in the hat, there's a chance. Yeah.

How many tags are they giving out their year?

This one that I just selected, they just cut tags from 24 to 10 last year. So. Okay, that could, that plays a big factor in it down across the way, I think it's pretty similar. So. Yeah, I mean that's the other piece about Montana. It's important to look at like how many tags are given out. They increased them and I think. Was it the Spanish Peaks? Something like that. And so like as say bring those tag numbers up, obviously the draw demand isn't as high compared to what it would be in like the breaks where there's high, high demand and they've cut tags in. I just looked in 482. They, they cut tags from 20 to five last year. So those are the types of things that like will really bite guys who are in their top points especially.

And you know, all of us dream about hunting a sheep in the breaks. But back to our deer and elk. Are there any tips on if some people have some points that they're wanting to burn? You know, you and I are kind of what we've been talking about our glory days and we know we're in it right now, so we might not have as many points, but we could use, you know, a couple points and hunt maybe not as premier of a unit.

Yeah, I've talked to a lot of guys about this lately, and especially in relation to Montana, because Cody and I did a podcast last week about how when you're hunting on a general unit, it's just like he said, you got to put a little English on it. Like, you got to figure out how to get away from people and navigate the backcountry or, you know, try to get away from the pressure out in the plains or whatever the case is. Once you add that limited element to it, it does help the situation quite a bit. So I do think if someone only has 5, 6, 7 points, it's worth probably looking at one of those mid to lower tier hunts and going back again. And going back again, if you can. I had a guy, a Hunt west client, go to one of those kind of mule deer units last year, and he was. He was super gung ho. I loved working with him. So he went up and scouted in the summer, had a tough time finding stuff in the summer high country for this limited tag that he drew in Montana, but then killed a great buck. Like a nice four point. On opener day of the first day, he was out with rifle tag.

So you're. You're pretty good that there's still a lot of great options out there for guys that, you know, realize they don't want to be 60 by the time they draw and would like to get out there and get after it.

Yeah, I think the important thing, and this is something that you and your dad are doing too, is choosing an area that fits your style, like, the thing you want to be looking at. Because, like, you and your dad are like, we just want to use a boat to kill one.

That's the main goal, is to get blood on the boat.

I love that because that filters out so much other bull crap, you know, like, you can go and be like, okay, this is what I want. If someone's a big glassing guy, like going to that country around Libby or Missoula, like on that far northwest corner. Bad idea. It is not a good idea. If you're someone who likes to call elk, though, like, going out to the open stuff, also a bad idea for that person. Right. And so it's cool because you can just kind of select the style of hunt you want in Montana with as much diversity as there is, and then just go for that.

You know, something you and I have talked about. We're both down in Argentina right now, and it's a lot different than back home. So I think a lot of people overlook that when they're. They just have their eyes set on A unit when it might not necessarily match, what would one give them the most success or the experience that they were hoping for? So, like, yeah, what experience are you looking for? And then make sure that unit. You know, if you're an opportunities guy, not all units are built for you, but there might be some that are easier. Easier to draw that don't have necessarily that the same size, but you're gonna have a lot of cracks.

Yeah, exactly. And that's what Cody calls like, at bats in his. In his 201l course, like, at bats for some people, that's where they're at. You know, if you're gonna take you and I and drop us in Montana for mule deer, you've got that experience you're looking for. I probably would be like, yeah, it's fine if we don't see as many deer, but I want to be able to see a big one, you know, and, like, obviously, like, the logistics of, like, taking a boat or backcountry or whatever, like, that adds to it.

Yeah, of course.

I like that. Yeah. And then.

And it was just something we've been talking about recently is not everywhere is the style that you're going to want to hunt. And probably looking at units in a way that, like, what is my skill set? And, you know, maybe you want to try a different skill set. But yeah, don't go into a unit that's flat thinking that you're gonna be.

A glass and full.

Yeah, you're gonna sit somewhere high and see everything.

So I. I did write an email here a couple weeks ago saying, like, be, you know, take some time to carve out hunts that you learn something on. We're in Argentina, and we were following around this badass stag hunter named Sixto, and we were like, I want to learn from this guy because all he hunts is thick, flat stuff. And I was like, let's just, like, learn from this guy right now. It's nice because we don't have any sort of draw that's tied to us learning from six toe. We're not like, oh, we can't. You know, I guess in this case, we can't come back every year necessarily, but just because of a logistics travel thing. But it is one of those places. This is one of those places that's pushing us to learn something new. And I'm really happy that we're doing that. I think people should take tags that they've drawn, even if it's just like an easy draw, and try to dedicate some time to doing that. On that hunt, too.

Okay.

So that way, when they find what they're looking for in something that they aren't very good at, they can still dig into the toolbox and figure something out.

Yeah.

Well, I think that's a pretty good podcast, man. Thanks for sitting down and hashing it out for me. I hope it's clearer than mud, but it's probably clear as mud, so at.

Least some things are lined out. You know, for me, just navigating that tiered system is absolutely doing my head in.

Yeah.

At least having it a little bit lined out. Obviously it's going to change depending on where you're at, but. Oh, boy.

Cool. Well, if anybody else has questions like Hayden does, shoot me an email. Jadenuntwest.net and I can help answer some. We ended up with way more service and, like, WI fi down here than I expected.

Yeah, anytime we're at headquarters, we got pretty good signal.

And they like to take the media, which is like siesta in the middle of the day. And the siesta is long. Like, this is not a short.

When I think Nap, I think 30 minutes, you know, that's like the ballpark for a nap. We're talking three hours.

Yeah, exactly. And I'm. I'm like an hour. I've taken a couple long ones, but. But still hit me up. And Hayden and I are sitting here in the. At the house, like, basically just working middle of the day. And I'll take some time to respond to some emails. So. Yeah. Jaydenuntwest.net and last thing is thank you for listening. That's the pod.

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