iRealization - Season 01 Episode 06

Hey.

Hi.

Hey.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Just woke up. Not just good, but.

Yeah, Always awake.

Always awake. How's it going?

Very good. Yeah.

Beautiful day today. Hey.

Hi.

Tanay, put a knife.

How was your week? It was amazing. Very good. So let's, you know, catch up on our last week's conversation. So perhaps, Sam, you can go. No, tell us, what do you think?

What are your thoughts about consciousness?

Anything, Whatever you feel like talking about.

I don't know.

This broad area of inquiry that we are on here is to become creative. You know, the goal is practical. There is no, like, abstract goal here. The goal is to be very, very practical about life, is it not? If there is no practical application, is there any point in doing something?

Correct.

Even. Even if you do abstract stuff like entertainment, you're watching something, there is a purpose. You need to be entertained. Correct?

Yeah, that's the purpose.

So this whole thing about. What are we talking about, this whole inquiry, conversations, consciousness, blah, blah, blah. What is it for?

To fill our life with what? With multiple things like entertainment, love or some meaning.

Well, we're all searching for meaning. We all want to know what it's all about. What is the point? At some point, you know, people, various people come to that point of inquiry where they eventually ask themselves, what is the point of all this? Because, well, if I just to entertain myself the entire time and then I'm dead, what was the point of that? Or if I, you know, like, there was a very nice story where, you know, there's always war and there's never peace generally, you know, in the world. And so this king said he would unite the world under a single banner and thereby bring about peace. And in order to do that, he would have to wage war and conquer everyone. Okay? And so after years and years of bloody battles and, you know, all that you can imagine, he did it. He succeeded. He was able to conquer the entire planet. And he. Finally, that final, final battle, when they were there, it was, you know, near this big, tall mountain. And when they won, the king wanted to put the flag on top of the mountain, very top. It's like the tallest mountain. And so he sent his minister and his general and all that with the banner, and they went up. It took them two days. They, you know, went up all the way. And then king was down waiting. They came back, you know, two days, four days later, and with the banner and the king's like, what happened? Like, no, sir, you have to come and see. And so they all went up there. It took them another two days and on the top of the mountain there was a rock, a big rock, the toppest point. It was filled with carvings of the names of the kings who had conquered the planet. Oh.

Hmm.

So that is the nature of this meaning. You can derive any meaning from it, but there is no meaning.

So do we only live for the pursuit and not for the destination?

That question has to be a complete question. You see, that question is from the perspective of the character who appears in this dream, whereas the whole dream appears. So who is the one that is asking this question is what we have been enquiring about, you see, last few times. Now. The question I asked today is why? Why bother with this whole thing? Why not just live like the king and go about your day? Because the king did things right. He succeeded in whatever else. He became the king of the world. What else you want? That is the purpose, right? Of the world. And what else do you do with the world? One may think. One may think that the thing to do with the world is to dominate it. Because if there is anything apart from oneself, there is fear of it because it is not known. One can only know oneself, is it not? Can one know somebody else or anything else? No, impossible, right? Can you know anything about anyone else?

Not from the reality of it, from a true perspective?

Yeah, correct. So the reality is never known, you see? So therefore that unreality or the unknown is always there. Everything is the unknown only, is it not? The minute I realized that the only thing I can know is me and everything else I cannot know. Because it's just now you said it right. It is not the perspective of the truth, therefore I cannot know it. Therefore I live in unknown, you know, ness. I live in a world of unknown things and, you know, idea. I don't know anything. I live in a very, very dark world of little knowledge, which is only what I can rely on my own things. I know this, I know that. Beliefs again, and I better hope they work because I depend on them, You see, this is the situation. And one asks how, what is meaning and all these things? So go ahead, question.

So, yeah, so. So if we are on a. On a very flat plane, which is infinite, with no direction.

So.

And the only direction that there is is the one that we imagine there to be. So some people come to dominate, some people come to observe, some people come to just explore.

In other words, it becomes a play, a sport, the game of life, the play of consciousness. Because if this is understood, what we just said, then where is the question of meaning and confusion and any Kind of doubt about why you are here. You're here to enjoy, to express, to be creative. Is it not that you create your own dreams?

Yeah.

Who is that? You. Not the character, you see, the character is itself created.

I'm like a painter with a million colors, infinite colors. Yeah.

Whatever you demand, you can go on painting. There is no end. So the practical application of all of this is very practical, you know, for those that want practical applications, those that continue to believe that they are the character and they must be creative, which is a fundamental illusion. They can never be creative, but they want. The idea of creativity is there, you see? So one has to understand it in order to be creative. One has to understand what is creative and who can be creative, you know?

Does that understanding come after comparison?

The word understanding is itself comparison. But that understanding is a false understanding because it is conceptual. You will have different knowledge bases and you will compare them to as two different things. And this is your understanding of these two concepts. You see, If I teach you about the dragon bird and compare it with the Venus bird, both of which you have never seen, but if I give you all the details about it, you will know about it, is it not? But is it a real knowledge? No, you've never seen one, you've never experienced it. And then somebody who has grown up with them in that planet, wherever they exist, and he's a keeper, you know, children there exist, coexist with these birds, and they grew up with them. He's never read a book about it, never even spoken a line about what they do or what they're supposed to do and all that. But would you say that he knows these birds? Yeah. Yeah. So the knowledge, is it not the problem? Do you think that he goes there every day, inside there, and from some sort of facts or memories and ideas and all that, he does his things. Does he think about what he has to do there and all that? It becomes natural, right? Like driving. Do you think about driving? Or do you do that thinking part only in the beginning, when you're learning? So action does not require thinking, otherwise nobody would be able to drive.

Correct.

Thinking is happening. Driving is also happening. Digestion is happening. Everything is happening, is it not? Then who will be creative?

It's just the person who takes action.

Creativity happens, you see? Everything happens. Nobody can take action. That's what we've been saying. You have to let creativity be. Everything is already creativity only, you see. The whole thing is creation. And then in the middle, we wake up and appear to wake up and start to meddle with everything. It is like this. It is like that. I am like this. I am a designer and I limit myself. Where is that? I? What is that? I.

Perception over time.

Memories. You see, perception over time means memories over time requires memories to sequence that so called time factor. Otherwise, how do you perceive time? Time cannot be perceived without memory. Time means passage of time. So memory is what you experience when you say time is passing. Otherwise, where is time? Because we say time without understanding time. You know, does anybody know really what is time? It's.

Yeah, it's infinite. It's.

No, no, all those are ideas. But the reality is nobody knows. Can you show me time? No. I mean, you can show me a clock and you can. You know, all of us can count together, which is what we're doing with that. But what is time? Time is an experience, you know, you're experiencing it. No. Is it not that you're experiencing time right now? Yep. So then what is time? See, that is what we have to explore and understand directly. No need to go and look in a book, because time is not something to be understood in a book. No. Time is to be experienced, is it not? It is now. That word now means what? How do you know it is now? You see, that is the experience of the now. And is there any knowledge in the now?

There is always knowledge.

Knowledge is of the past, you see, because knowledge requires memory. So knowledge by definition is past only, Is it not? Knowledge means memory. No. Yeah, memory means past. So all knowledge is past only. Therefore, the now has no knowledge. You see, it is the now. The now is the empty, the vast emptiness that has nothing. And yet I am here and you can experience yourself there. I.

So we bring in the knowledge in.

The now, is it not? Would you say, I remembered this or something like that? You'll say, hey, I got an idea.

Or even relating things to things like.

You say, look at that, look at that person, look at that tree, look at that car. So when yesterday or last time we spoke about the accident and all that car happened. You see now how foolish it is to say what happened? And how dare you.

Yeah, very true.

Utter liberation. You see, that is called the now. No question about it. Whatever is of the past only. Where is the question?

Reaction upon reaction upon reaction.

So reaction is itself. One has to see, what is that reaction? Is it reaction not of the past?

So do you give up seeing reactions or do you continue with them?

What is the question of you? Who is that? Who will give up or who will see? That question is a question of Volition is that I will do something. And I am this person who is doing so and so. You see? So that is the thing. Hold on one second. Yeah. Sa. You see? Done any talks?

Listening, Absorbing. I'm audible. Hello?

Yes.

Yes.

Okay, cool.

Yeah.

I'm just listening and I'm solving.

Yeah. So Sam, does it make sense?

It does, but. So. So what do we do with the now?

If.

Do we see it as there's nothing? Or do we. Do we bring in the reactions? Or how do you.

You have to see what is happening, Which is all that one can do.

And just be creative.

Creativity will automatically happen. Creation is happening all the time. It is impossible to not be creative because you are creating illusory concepts, is it not? Something happened. You will say, that person did this like we said last time. Is it not a creation?

Yeah.

So what kind of creation, what type of creativity.

It impacts on some level in your mind, creates a memory. But that can either cause a negative effect like a trauma, or that can cause a positive effect that can, you know, any event can. A painting is also an effect of a memory. A beautifully composed song. All these creative ideas are only the reactions of a memory.

Correct? Absolutely correct. Pure memory, is it not?

So is it that you have question? Use the memories. In the. I don't know, right direction to make. No, that's even. Yeah, that's just a perspective. So is there really a direction of what you should be impacted by, how you should be impacted by. And is there really a direction in the now that is happening around us? Do we really observe things and perceive them and take them in the future so they channel creative ideas? Or do we just be in the now without.

Yes, which one is possible? Do you think.

The first one.

Being in the now is all that is possible.

Without any comprehension? As in knowledge, Not a deeper comprehension.

But see, all comprehension is not deeper. All comprehension is only surface level because it created by the ideas. What you mean by comprehension is knowledge?

No, no, I meant awareness.

Without any comprehension. There is still awareness, is it not?

Yeah, exactly. So not comprehension, but has having awareness.

Yes, that is what we have suddenly now discovered. That is the actual thing. You see.

I don't get the point about this, right? I mean, how can there be awareness without comprehension? We can go back to the example, right? Where like a five minute dream or not. So unless I'm experiencing something or I don't know where I am, how will I know I'm aware of it or not if there's no comprehension?

Comprehension is what you walk in the Planet, you know, keep walking on the earth and it's a flat earth, you know, you experience a flat earth, so the comprehension is very clear. It's flat. So this is comprehension. So false comprehension or knowledge is only an idea based on experience which has nothing to do with real knowledge, is it not of what is. Correct?

Yeah, it's not real knowledge.

Not real knowledge. Therefore, are we after false knowledge? Once you see everything as false knowledge, AKA not real knowledge, what is the point of knowledge and what is the point of such comprehension? See, one has to use the mind for practical purposes, is it not? Will you. Will you spend your time investigating ghosts? Because it is a concept, everybody knows about it. It is certainly a lot of money spent. But why don't you go and investigate that? Because you don't believe it as it is.

Because you haven't experienced it.

Yes. And nobody has. And you know, so on and so forth. So then somebody experiences what the imagination of it. So we all know, everybody knows that they are imagining it. They are experiencing their own imagination.

So it's false knowledge, is it not?

Something happened on the street. This accident happened. That person did this. Is that knowledge or false knowledge?

So do we pursue knowledge? Because you know what happened to the.

Tree, you have to realize the nature of knowledge. There is no question of you. Will I pursue or not pursue? If you don't know what you are pursuing, you may pursue it. But once you know that the mirage has no water in it, in the desert, you're walking, you want water, you want water. Every time mirage appears, you run there, there is no water. Once you realize, boss, this is not a real water, it is only a mirage, will you keep running behind it? That question of will I go after it and all, Is it a relevant question?

Correct.

That is what is meant by illusion.

So everything, every knowledge is actually a mirage. And in true nature now is nothing. It's just things present. No matter how much you run after a particular topic of interest, you can never claim 100% knowledge about it, ever. Plus that knowledge is never real. It's just a perception. The assurity of 100% knowledge is never real. It's. It's just a perception. So in this world of running blind in whatever direction that we think, oxygen is more present. So how do you navigate yourself to, you know, live a life, meaningful life, according to you?

So is that not already happening? Every reaction, is it not a function of what you are and all the things that you believe, etc.

Correct.

So that's happening already.

Sa. So basically just Keep on doing what.

You love.

But never.

That is called creativity. You see, we are want ourselves, Is it not? You want to be something else. Why should I be some else? Who am I? And I want to be me, is it not? I want to express myself. That's what everybody says, but they don't know who that is. It's not an expression, just knowledge. What is the difference between expression and knowledge?

Yeah, when someone says express myself, there's so many things that you know, what, what are you.

But is it not just knowledge? No, no. We are at the abstract level what it is. So now they're expressing themselves based on their past experiences and knowledge.

It's a particular topic that they are expressing.

So just now we discussed that all expression is limited knowledge. All knowledge is false and is mere perception. Therefore when they express themselves again, they're expressing their own limited perception. So where will there be a creativity in such expression?

Where will there be creativity?

See, creativity. When you say real creativity, what is that we mean by that Versus I just now mentioned that you give a description for accident on the car is also creation. You're creating that. It's not actually what happened, but you're making it up. So that creation versus what you yourself call oh, I want to be creative. That real creative that you call it real creativity versus not the real creativity, which you know what it is, right? So if we are after the, you know, really creative things, like we all want to express ourselves. I want to be creative, you know, if I copy somebody and express it, I'm also like that. Is that creative? Would you say that Ola, that copied Uber, is it a creative thing? No, they made. They did something. No issues with that. It's great. They made money. Yeah, but is it creative not to. It's not creative. It's copying.

No, but then is anything creative? We are. We ourselves are a copy of two people.

We discussed memory, which is required to copy and to understand and to have knowledge. We also understood that there is a state called the now which has no knowledge. Like this conversation. Your questions, is it coming from knowledge, some stored out ideas, or is it coming because suddenly I'm introducing new concepts to you and suddenly these new concepts and new questions are being triggered instantly. You're not having to think a lot about it. These questions are triggering instantly. And these are creative questions because you are seeking, you see? Okay.

Look, go on, go on, go on. You are seeking.

So that process is what I'm talking about in the now. It happens.

Oh, nice.

You understand we are on the Razor's edge of creativity itself, my friend.

So there is a me who is not impacted by the memories.

Who is it not otherwise, who is that? I. I have memories.

Oh, that is brilliant.

It's very simple, sir. Simple.

Is brilliant. Yeah, now I get it.

So we are about unleashing creativity and that creative state where there is no past and obviously no future, which you call the now based on concepts of time, which is not real. The actual thing, that state is called awake. Because it is neither dreaming nor sleeping. Dreaming implies the so called awake state, which most people think as awake. But as we just discussed, that state is of the past. But in that state is, as you described it, the awareness of the now, which is a pointer to the experience of it.

Exactly.

Which is actually there. Where is the question to go and search for it?

And creativity comes as a result of awareness, not as a result of comprehension, is it not?

Because the minute you keep thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, this, that is, that suddenly you will say, you know, I was in the shower, suddenly I got it. That flash does not come from thinking, is it come from where? That is the newness. That new idea which flashes and solves all the past things. It removes all those obstacles. You see, the past is the obstacles.

Past is the obstacle. Yeah, very true.

Wow.

I'm writing this down. Maybe I'll make this my wallpaper. Now this is really cool.

Yeah, this is really cool.

Right?

Now that I understand it better.

Yeah, See, we are being very practical. You see, we need to create jobs. You know, we said a wake will create jobs and all that. It is an expression. It is not reality, but how to be expressive and how to be creative. In this, whatever you call it, dream or reality or whatever it is, how do you create what is creativity? If you understand will creativity not be there? Means you are what you experience, is it not? Which is based on knowledge. Now this knowledge is turning you, your knowledge into something else. What happens? You know, consciousness is there, full of knowledge, some new fact appears, bunch of concepts disappear, new concepts appear. Is it not what is called as consciousness?

Correct.

Now that is also called knowledge, is it not? Is it not that consciousness is knowledge?

Yep, it is.

Other than that, what is consciousness?

It's just a nothing else.

It is only knowledge. No, no, no. These are all ideas. Now you're trying to describe it, but in actuality, is it not knowledge?

Yeah, it's just knowledge.

Just knowledge. Now whatever is there, you're conscious. No, all the things you're conscious of is conscious. That is, points to the thing that you Are conscious of all the things. So means you are conscious of all the things you're conscious of. So consciousness is there, is it not? You have consciousness of all the things. Consciousness is always of the things you know, Objects. Consciousness requires knowledge. Knowledge and consciousness are the same things. It both requires memory.

Correct? Correct.

Therefore consciousness is itself false, Is it not?

Correct.

Therefore we say dreaming is not real. Why it is consciousness?

Correct.

Yeah.

Perfect. Perfect.

Yet there is something that is real. The question of real and unreal now both in consciousness only, you see, the whole thing drops off. Therefore all you have to do is what? When people say I'll meditate and all means what? Who will meditate?

Yep.

Instead of that, you already are. No. Yeah.

You're already in the now.

You're already in the now. Finished.

Nice.

Now when you go hiking, biking and all, as long as you remain as yourself and you are aware of everything, there is no stopping the creativity. How is Awek making so many ideas and so many different things happening? Because it's a natural process that creation is always happening, but there is nothing to block it. You see?

Correct. It's an idea triggered not by memories.

But by what is called as creativity. But that's a word, creativity. Now I pointed you to the actual thing. Yeah. From where everything is coming. Your own questions are not coming from memory because these are new concepts. How can you have questions about something new? Exactly. Yeah. So where is it coming from?

That just blew my mind.

That question of who am I and what is my mind.

He's only now.

Nice. So this is a practical thing. You know, we are using it to express we as in we are just using the term now. Broad paint strokes, you know, paintbrush strokes now on the universe. So if you want to save the world, you want to transform the world, blah blah blah. Everybody wants society to change this, to change that, to change cannot be done. No, it's not there. However, you have to change. That's all. If you change, the world changes. Finished. Yeah.

Actually, when I look back, all the creative ideas that ever come to my mind, they have always been the answers to the now. You know, Uber, we'll do this. Or some guy, some guy created.

Those will never be creative. Yes. Yeah. Cannot be creative because it's simply mixing and matching and composing from the dead concepts of the past. That is not what is called creative. Again, that word creative we use without knowing what it is. So if there is any goal, it is to realize the truth. Once you realize the truth, the question of goal doesn't arise because that's based on the very false knowledge, is it not correct? So false knowledge cannot survive, can it? Once you see the reality of it, can it survive? Can you still believe in the false after you know the truth? Can you still say no? No, Earth is flat. Even though I experience it every day. I will prove you. Come, walk with me for 10,000 miles, you will still see flat. Come, let's walk. Will you say that? No, you will say even though it's experienced like this, it's actually not that.

Because you are killing new natural impulses by pulling a curtain of memories over them.

That is what is called as limitation. So if you say I am a designer, you see.

I am limiting myself.

If I say I will be creative, I'm limiting myself. Because the very question of creative is based on concepts and past, right? True creativity cannot be described because description is based on the past and is conceptual. Therefore, description is only the knowledge. We are discussing the expression correct or AKA consciousness itself. Which brings us to what is called as the now. But in reality is the beyond. The now word is used in conceptual consciousness terms of saying time and past and present and now. It is a conceptual line that is drawn there. Whereas in reality, as I mentioned, where is that line? What is time itself is not there. So that is the thing stepping into beyond, is it not? Not stepping. You are there. It is that.

Yeah, yeah.

No, as in you see the false.

Knowledge learning the difference between now and beyond.

This is called discernment. If there is a now that is only in consciousness, Is it not? If I say now is there now? If I say the word now, is it not the past, is it not in consciousness that I can say now and is it not limited and therefore not the now? Yes, but if I know this, and if I know consciousness is knowledge, then what happens?

You have false knowledge?

No, no. If you know it is an illusion, is it an illusion?

If you understand the reality, see, if.

You know it's an illusion, is it called an illusion after that for you? No, it is an illusion only for so called other people. But again, in this situation we have realized there is nobody else, correct? The whole illusion is collapsed now.

Nobody else. Not even the definition of you by you.

Is it not? Because that's only in consciousness. And the consciousness is knowledge, it's changing and it's based on past, and it's based on memories and experiences, all of which are again we just discussed, basically false. And therefore the whole thing collapses, leaving you completely in your own self. Now, what you call now.

Even the feeling of creativity Was present in when I said that. It's a beautiful day. I think I should go out of my.

Where did that come from? You see, not based on memory.

Not based on memory at all.

Right. That is the actual expression happening automatically. Like you're walking on the street and suddenly a car comes to about to hit you. You will jump out of the way. Not a thought. It is happening. You know, just like this conversation is not pre planned. Yep, it's happening. Everything is happening. We're simply imagining it is not happening. And that so called knowledge of what is happening, is it not false?

Everything will be seen as new.

There is only the ever fresh now. There is never any problems, you see, There is only joy. There is fullness. Whatever you want, you can do that. There is no past, you see. Nothing to stop you. Whereas otherwise the normal state of existence is anxiety, worry and all the other negative and occasionally positive emotions like joy and happiness and so on which people are desperately seeking in that cloud of anxiety and worry. And specifically that worry is what will happen to me tomorrow, Is it not? That worry is based on knowledge, is it not that something happening is based on knowledge, Is it not that tomorrow is itself not real and you're worrying about it?

Correct.

Yeah. See, so it's like the experience of the ghost. People experience the ghost as real and so they have fear and they run around and all that like that. Tomorrow. What will happen tomorrow?

No one knows.

No, it doesn't exist. There is nothing called tomorrow. There's not a question of no one knowing. It's not there. It's an imagination. So that's what I mean by time. Is it not that time is an illusion? There is only what you call the now, is it not? Where is the tomorrow? An idea. Where is yesterday? An idea? Everything is knowledge, is it not all false? Like the earth is flat?

Yeah, you. Even if you. Even if you set a goal, there is still no tomorrow. Anything can happen. Even if you do set a goal for yourself that even you know, in five years I'll. I'll buy a house or something like that. Even in this plan there is still no tomorrow.

It's not bad to plan, but is it not that first of all you are basing it on what will happen to me and I have to plan my own whole thing? Whereas the very concepts are based on limited knowledge of what is reality and therefore is all based on the very fundamentally false knowledge of what is happening and what is real. Can it ever succeed? Completely deluded. Yep.

Even if I'm planning right now the only difference is my plan right now is purely out of creativity and not.

Based on memories and the actual thing that is happening. So that's already happening.

It's already happening. Yep, that's already happening. I'm saving, I'm having new ideas, I'm enjoying life.

Means you're being yourself and everything is happening. So where is the question of any effort?

This is how you lighten your mind.

No, that is the question of seeing who has something called mind. And if it really exists.

As in we take so much stress in worrying about tomorrow.

The question of worry. Yeah, directly, very abstractly, directly. We shall go to it and say, is it not based on thinking and thoughts and memories and concepts and knowledge, reality at all? Therefore, does it not just fundamentally collapse at a very fundamental level? No question about what you. Whatever comes up is same, is it not?

Yeah. The very answer is over there that you created your own depression.

Right. So instantly this knowledge is going to clear out every other knowledge. Therefore that is not called knowledge at all. It prevents the formation of knowledge. And what it leaves behind is what you called awareness or creativity. Or you said enjoying life, all those enjoyment and all is coming from the now, is it not? Not from past. Can the past make you enjoy? No, obviously not. Nor can the future. So the truth is it's coming from somewhere. Where is that? No need to call it anything. You just have to find out that's all finished. And for those that want a practical application. Speaking of practical is a joke. There's no practical application. Because that question of practicality is of the character. However one needs this concepts, you know, so people want to be this and that and this and that and all those things. And I say, yeah, you can be anything. It's an. You know, so how to be anything, how to be yourself, how to be entirely fearless so you can express whatever you are. Is it not that what you want? The disappearance of fear. Fundamental disappearance. Because fear is knowledge, isn't it? Yep.

To eradicate the fear, you have to learn to live in the now.

Now you can express this discussion in any way, but that is not going to be the reality.

Correct?

You see? But you can be right there, right now, in actuality, anytime. It is all there is. But if you start describing it, it is conceptual and consciousness.

Correct.

So to be it simply to be remain. Where is the effort in that?

It's an ugly habit, right? That we try to saturate our every habit.

Pure habit. It's like smoking or any bad habit, mechanical. But once you become aware what happens it stops automatically, does it not? Oh, so the awareness factor does everything itself. Finished.

Oh, nice.

False knowledge only operates. False knowledge only operates as a habit.

It's a habit. It's an addiction that we haven't even realized that we have.

It's a belief system, you know. Yeah. That knowledge is a belief system. And you say I am. That I am so and so. Is that itself not false knowledge?

Yep.

And you believe it so much that you are trapped.

We are addicted to understand reality.

You got it. That is called mind. Mind means wanting to know, wanting to feel secure. No means no. I want to know that tomorrow I'll be okay. Because it's only dealing with the future. You know, what will happen, what will happen, what will happen, what will happen. It's in imagination, you see, and it's based on fear, which is based on past knowledge.

This was a nice conversation.

Yes, nice. Thank you for that. We're going to. Call it in a few minutes, so I thought from you. Any questions? They said we're going to call it in a few minutes. Couple of minutes, we'll end the call. Do you have any questions or thoughts.

Or like, questions? I don't as such, like, he, like, conversation was really amazing. Thoughts as in. Yeah, like I, you know, I kind of find why I worry now because it's, you know, all based on knowledge. And this is a really refreshing thing to know that, you know, in the. If I'm in the present, if I'm in now, there's no past, no, there's. There's nothing that will probably stop me from being happy or, you know, being feel content or whatever. The moment I try to bring into now, bring knowledge or anything into this, I'll probably ruin things. This is a really good, like, I mean, this is one of the greatest takeaways from all the, like, I mean, all of the conservations we've had till now. I know this is amazing. I definitely making this at least a couple of while from today as a wallpaper for at least a couple of days till I, you know, that thing feels intuitive to me.

Yeah, it was like a revelation.

That's why they call it revelations in all these books and stuff, you know, and even in everything. It's a simple fact. It's observation of reality that is called, you know, and who is revealing it. The reality is revealing itself. All right, guys. Yes. Okay, good call.

Like a continuous journey, right? I don't think that there's anything to. Yeah, but yeah, anyway. Yeah, whatever. Be creative.

All right, good night.