iRealization - Season 01 Episode 10

Hey, good morning.

Hey, good morning. So how's life?

Everything is good. Everything is falling into place slowly. Slowly. There are a few personal responsibilities that I'm on to. So yeah, it's a little. It's a little rough patch, but everything is going smoothly on time and everything is going on. It's just that the. This Covid scenario should end because I miss going outdoors.

Definitely.

Yep.

I think another few months, I would imagine.

Yeah.

I'd say second half of next year probably.

Yeah. Yeah. I think we will stretch it till next year. Summer easily. This is like an evaluation period this winter. Yep. But yes, life is good. It's peaceful.

I think these calls are no longer that great and useful for you. It's done. Right. There's nothing to it. Like you hear it once it is done. What else is there to say?

Well, actually it's like I keep on exploring it and now it's become part of a lifestyle. This call and its overall ecosystem. Because every. Every time I think I. Every time I attend it, there is something new on the table. Maybe a new concept, maybe speaking the same words but from a different analogy that sticks better. So. Yeah, so even yesterday I. While I was meditating, I discovered that if you really be in the now, it is so peaceful. Like really being in the now is very clear because there is no behind, there is no forward. And I don't know how to explain it. But it's not empty. But it's empty and it's peaceful.

It's not empty. It's full.

It's full.

That's called fullness.

You don't mind the discipline.

The mind cannot comprehend fullness because it is a partial understanding of what is. So it's unable to comprehend the fullness, but it can experience it. Without knowing what it is. And that knowing does not need to be conceptual. You know, the lack of all things is the lack of confusion. And it's just clarity. Right? That's all.

It's just clarity. It's just pure observation and just pure action.

Action also happens.

Yeah, action keeps on happening. That's what I'm saying. That it's. It feels empty. It's not empty. You. You take action. It's not like you're in the middle of nowhere, a little blimp in the. In the sky. No, it's.

You are doing your things because of you only everything is. If you are not there, how will you see all those things?

Something to think about. Yes.

Thinking is again an idea based concept which brings in the knower knowledge more than the Knowledge, it brings in the knower. The knower is the one who knows the knowledge. Which creates the problem, right?

Yep.

The minute you say I know that creates knowledge. And the knower.

Back when I was a kid, so I have this uncle, I had this uncle, my mama. And he used to not follow spirituality but was following all these life coaches and all those success stories and you know, people like Stephen Covey and he wanted to get that knowledge or to the common folk in Maharashtra. So he started giving seminars and started writing books. He was a great writer and he really got into the dirt and started doing stuff for the society. And I was one of his closest of the family. He really, I don't know, maybe he saw something in me. So he pushed me into one of his courses which was like a three day course and it was one of those. I don't remember. There is a, there is an English version of this coach. This, I can't remember it. But basically you start to embrace all your flaws and everything and then understand that we are nothing but machines on this planet and our only function is working. There is no purpose, there is no meaning unless we create it and everything. So he made me go through that course and he made me, he really taught me stuff. And that changed me that from that point onwards I started viewing life a little more differently than all of the others. And that is where my actual journey began. And when I met you and you started to talk all this stuff. So my mama, he expired due to a heart attack. He was a very healthy person. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him. He had a great lifestyle, he had great discipline. He was happy throughout, even in all his stress. He was managing it like a boss with a smile. And he was truly happy. But I don't know what happened. Just a bad chemical reaction in the body. That's, you know, that's life. And then he collapsed due to a heart attack and that was it for him. So this happened probably in like 2014, 15. And so now when I started attending things at these calls in a different way, I think my mama was also speaking the same language.

There is only one truth. And all the languages and words, they come out based on the past impressions. Otherwise you cannot speak English, you cannot speak Marathi, you cannot speak any particular language which is nothing but learned words for society. There is nothing reality in these words by themselves. You know, it's just a convention.

Correct.

So the words are just a means of conveying ideas and pointing to the same truth which underlies everything. Religion becomes a problem because we Think about it. The minute you say, oh, let me think about how God is, there's a problem. Everybody thinks God is this and God is that, because it's conceptual. On the other hand, there is no need to think about gravity. If you drop an apple, it falls. So it is already there. So you can decide to talk about it in 50 ways and say it's not there or it's there, or it's this way or it's that way. You can discuss and you can become an expert in the agreed upon knowledge of how it is working and what it is. Gravity.

Yep. Put your hand in your spine.

There's no real need to know. It's this description because it's there already for you. And if you decide to build a graviton drive which uses gravity to drive it or a car, you don't have to know the false knowledge about it. Simply you take the thing, build it, because gravity is everywhere.

That's it.

So there is no need to, you know, try to understand it, because that understanding is only conceptual and it can only be the actual thing. Yeah, the actual thing does not need any description.

You see a mango, you eat a mango.

Don't have to call it a mango. What is there to say? Yes. So the words are for whom? You know. They are not for others, actually, because there are no others. Right. It's only for yourself. That's why when you're walking and you see a beautiful sunset, you will say, oh, wow, that's beautiful. Even if there's nobody there, you will feel it.

Genuine action. That's a genuine feeling. The warm.

So if you say feeling, if you express it and say, hey, beautiful, who is it for? Is it for the person who hears that and agrees with you that yes, it is beautiful. And you know, because you have that, yes, it is beautiful. Right. That's just a, you know, meaningless agreement. You know, somebody says it's beautiful, somebody says they don't like it, they like it. What difference does it make? It is already what it is in its fullness. And then we go in there with partial lies and we say it's good or bad or whatever it is, opinion is given about it.

You ask for opinion.

We don't even have to ask. We are full of opinions. Somebody says something, you will say something else. There is no genuine seeking, there is no genuine want of understanding. There is only superficial understanding. What has to be seen clearly is the whole process. You see how everybody is in the same process. Your process and my process and everybody's process is the Same. There is only one process and the process is happening like the gravity we spoke of. You can call it reality, you can call it God, you can call it whatever you want. Consciousness. And this whole seeking Brahman and wanting to know reality and all that. Again, same as gravity. You know, you can know it only in concept. Because what is cannot be known as. As ideas. It already is what it is. And ideas will only give you the partial knowledge as we discussed, the false knowledge. So to know something is to be deluded about it. Is it not? So? When knowledge finally becomes ignorance, it ends. If I say I want to know myself, is it not that I can only know myself as the false?

When you want to know yourself, you know yourself from the eyes of yourself.

Whatever knowledge I have about myself, it will be false knowledge, right? Can I ever have true knowledge of myself?

Not if you escape yourself, no.

What is true knowledge? All knowledge is false. We have discussed already. So what is the meaning of true knowledge about myself? It's a foolish statement. Because there is no need for knowledge about myself. I am already there. I am the lower. You see, all knowledge is for me. What knowledge about myself will I have? All knowledge is for myself and all knowledge is false, as we have discussed. So what knowledge about myself do I even need? You see, I am the reason knowledge exists. You know? I am the knower. Without me, knowledge does not exist.

Correct?

So why do I need to know myself? As knowledge is not knowing nothing but knowledge. If I say I know myself, it's knowledge, right?

Knowing is knowledge based on past.

Yes. Now we don't need to say past or future, just knowledge.

Just knowledge.

Knowledge is past only, not future.

Correct?

Doesn't exist. So there is only past. So I can only know myself in terms of the past. Are you following me?

Yeah, I am.

Therefore, whatever I may say about myself is the past. It can never be me. Right?

Injured. Irrelevant.

Totally irrelevant, is it not? Yep. And utter rupesh. Why I need to say anything?

Yeah. Because all that knowledge is going to shape an opinion, a perspective, and you're limiting yourself, right?

So therefore there's no need to pay any attention to it. You see, it is not about action or what is happening, neither of which are real. But what all has to be done is to see this clearly. That's all. That is called meditation. Therefore you don't need to meditate as a. Sit down and meditate. Seeing clearly as meditation. And seeing clearly is only possible when thoughts are not in the way. So if you are able to see right through the thoughts, then the seeing is never lost. Otherwise the seeing is lost into the thinking. This is the becoming process. So you become the thinker. You understand?

Yeah.

But when you become the thinker, seeing is lost. You're limited to what you're thinking. Therefore you can never see. The whole seeing is always seeing and it can never become thinking. But thinking arises and the seeing becomes muddied. Unclear.

I guess. Thinking. When you put yourself in the.

There's no need to say yourself, myself and all this is all thoughts only, right? So there is no myself and yourself. There's just thoughts, is it not? Where is you and me? When you say you or me, is it not past whatever I believe myself to be? That is what I mean when I say me a bunch of knowledge, is it not? And my idea of you is another idea, correct? So I say me and you based on these knowledge based concepts. And those are created based on whatever has happened, which is the past. So where is you and me? If past is past, then what is this you and me? Then. What is it? You know, it's just knowledge. It's just knowledge and it's. That means what? It's just consciousness. Which means what? Labels, Name and form. You're just making labels for the things that are seen. Me, you, please. Road, dog food, pain, sorrow. Right? It's labeling, you know, in the dream it happens. No. Otherwise you will not know what you saw, you know, in the dream.

Correct? Yeah, that's so true.

This is called labeling. Name and form, knowledge and nothing but consciousness. Otherwise you will not be conscious of anything. There will be no consciousness. When you say I am conscious of it means what? That means you know certain things or you are keeping it in your mind. Whatever you have to say. But how will you know that you are conscious of it. This is the thing. Is this clear?

Yes. Difference between awakening and consciousness.

It's the same thing. If your awakening can only happen in consciousness. But there is no need for consciousness, right? When you say I am awake, that is only during the conscious state. But if you're not conscious, you lose consciousness. You're not awake. Does that mean you're dead or disappeared?

You're still there.

Yes, but who is that there? When that no knowledge is there and no consciousness is there, then what is there? What is there when you come back later and say I was unconscious? How do you know that? See.

Based on what it.

No, no, no, no. You have to see what is happening there. You're conscious, suddenly you lose consciousness and then you regain consciousness. And you say I was unconscious. So you're recollecting that experience.

Of not being.

Exactly. Because being is nothing but consciousness. Are you following when you say I am? Is it not because you are conscious?

Correct.

Otherwise how will you know that you are. Now you know what is consciousness. You see, you are consciousness. You are conscious. However, you are also not consciousness. Otherwise who will say I am not conscious, you see? And you can only say it in consciousness. But saying is not needed because consciousness is itself false. So the words are unnecessary. The reality is there, right? Everywhere the reality is there. This is clarity. And clarity will not be lost. If nothing comes in the way of clarity, the light gets blocked. Like a shadow is created and darkness is experienced. But there is a thing called darkness. If you move that, whatever it is, nothing is there. So the absence of light is called darkness. Yeah, but is there something called darkness? It doesn't exist, you see? Is this clear?

Yes.

So knowledge and darkness, light and darkness both are the same things. That means what? All there is is consciousness. If you are conscious of darkness, it ceases to be. And consciousness itself is the lack of light. Because if there is light, you cannot see anything. All you will see is light.

There is light. You cannot see anything but light.

See, if there is no light, you cannot see anything. If there's a little bit light, you can see many things. If I keep increasing the light, if I make it 100, you cannot see that any.

Correct.

So you see, it only happens in partial light. But you need light for seeing. And seeing is all there is.

Oh yeah, I get your point.

Yes.

Seeing is that perfect balance of light put shone on the moment you take the knowledge. Consciousness, the more you put.

Yes. The content should not be created. It is memory. You know, memory is passed.

Superb. This is.

Very simple, no?

Yeah, it's very simple.

So your uncle was right. We are machines that run software, you know, like computers. There is memory, there is seeing, there is interpretation. Interpretation itself requires memory. You see the loop?

Yep.

That is called samsara. And seeing this truth reveals itself as nirvana. Therefore not seeing this truth is samsara and it is actually dirvana. In other words, there is only freedom. Not knowing it, you trap yourself.

The more you stop seeing and start thinking.

Is where you are.

In that infinite loop.

Yes. That is called Maya, that thinking portion. And the biggest illusion is that you are the thinker.

Yeah.

It has to be seen as a game, you know.

It has to be seen as a.

As a game. It's a game, you know, the whole thing. The cosmic game in the sense that everybody starts and Ends at zero.

Or is there even a race?

It's just. That's why we call it a game. Game as means. It's just a game. It's not real. Simply you're playing it. That's why it's called a game. Leela, you know, in Krishna. Krishna consciousness, they call it. They call it. It's a Leela. It's a Leela. It is God's dream or it's God's storytelling. It's just a story.

Someone's perception.

No, no. Your own story. The dream factor. Yeah. We're seeing the story unfold in our own minds. Like a movie, Like a dream. About what? You're witnessing the dream.

That's.

So there are two ways to enter into the game.

Enter into the game?

Yeah, dream, whatever you want to call it. Game, dream, waking world, universe, whatever you want to call it. Consciousness, Brahman, God, all are same things. There are two ways to enter into it. The first is like the ignorant not knowing that it is not real and then getting stuck in the Maya of it. The Maya, Charlie Kong. The web of illusion which is spun out by the very spider himself. And if he does not retract it, he himself gets trapped in it. You may have seen spiders in their own maps, you know. So that is the first default delusional way of entering the matrix, so to speak. But the other way is to really play the game, which is to not enter it at all. Because there's nothing to enter.

To know that it is not real. Not to be played, but to play.

Yes, there is playing happening. The whole thing is there is no need for you to play or somebody else to play. There is a play already. What else is there? There is only the play. You see, if you say I will play means you are now some real character in the game who is trying to play it. You understand? There is nothing to do. It's a play already. Simply to enjoy the play. And when that gets real, then real action begins automatically. It happens. Everything is happening already, you know. But manifestation has no block at that point. Otherwise you block it. You don't let it move. Yeah.

As soon as you let anything manifest.

You become attached to it.

Yes. And you become the part of the play.

I think it is real. You give reality to it. This is called giving meaning or reality or whatever it is. It's not real. That fundamental thing is lost every time. However, when there is nothing to stop the clarity or to bring anything else in the middle, then it's automatic, you know, it's anyway automatic. But you understanding is happenings, but you are meddling with it, thinking it is real.

Wanting to get to the bottom of it.

And it's not possible because all that is illusion. There is infinite illusion. You'll never get to the bottom. It has to stop at supply because it's illusory, you know?

Yep.

Like a mirage. Every time in the desert you see it, you want to run behind it. At some point you will say, no, it's just a mirage. I will not run because you. Otherwise what? Everybody will keep running. Only you can stop yourself. I mean, there is nobody everybody can tell you that's not real, it's a mirage. But you will keep running until you realize that it's a mirage, That there is no water there. It is as simple as that. Simply seeing clearly.

Simply seeing clearly.

See. With this type of clarity, the yoga, the work karma yoga, you know, people like your uncle said, we're here to work because that is absolutely correct. We all are part of the universe. Each thing is doing something. Each cell of every leaf, every grain of sand is here making up the totality. So constant flow, transformation of illusion to illusion. The illusion keeps on changing. There is nothing static in illusion because if it was real, it cannot change. You understand? The real cannot change. Otherwise, how can you say it's real? You know, suddenly it's changed.

Whatever real is infinite.

Illusion is also infinite.

And knowledge is finite, where we have a beginning and an end.

Knowledge of something in particular is definite and finite, which is the limitation. But there is unlimited knowledge because it's illusion.

And that's why we can never get to the end.

We can never get to the end because the end itself is an idea and a concept.

All you can do is make your paths more shallow, more shallow. Until you realize you just, you should have just seeing for what it is.

And what we saw earlier was that being is consciousness. What you call me, the I am, what is non being, was also seen.

Yes.

So that's all. What is between non being and being being, It cannot be described and it has no attributes. But you saw it and that's it.

Yes.

And it is your true nature. That is why you are able to recognize.

And that's it. You saw it.

That's it. Now you just have to remain as you are and all else is seen as what it is. Yeah.

Yep.

Simpler than the nose on the face of your front of your face, you know, simplest thing in the world.

It'S there. Can't see it.

You can see because of it. Therefore it is not seen on Its own. Isn't it obvious? If something is seen, there is a reason for it to be seen. Seen. So the most obvious things in the world are the last things that you will realize. That's why they called. Oh, it's so obvious after you see it, you know, it was not obvious before. That's why you didn't. That's why you called it obvious. To describe it as obvious.

You know, this nose example is very nice because the nose is always there right from the start to the end. Not seen. Whatever is changing in front of your eyes is what is seen.

What is not seen is the seeing of this changing thing itself. Once that is seen, then everything is that only. You see. You can check now also you see anything. If you see it clearly, then what is that? Only the seeing is there.

Yep. Whatever you do beyond that is just genuine action.

Yes, it happens.

It just automatically happens.

That is called creation. Spontaneous creation. Otherwise you are the creative. We imagined. You created it, you know? So why become the created when you are the creator?

And why think?

Why between the thinking is habitual. It is a reaction and you have to be aware of it. And it stops. It is a reaction to something that arises. You know, you're walking on the street, you see an accident. Something arises. What is it?

The first thing that arises is the genuine action of genuine action.

Right after that, what arises, that is.

When you put the knowledge in that.

Ariser has to be checked right away. If you are aware of that ariser, you can see it arising. Once you see it, it will not arise because you know what it is you see unseen, it becomes. So when you're always in meditation, there is no meditation. Because what we have been discussing so far is the lack of meditation, which is the default state. And the default state is no longer the default state. Then all there is is meditation. Correct. So to meditate, one has to understand what it is.

You cannot just meditate and then get back to what you call as reality. And that's just.

The whole thing is nonsense. No, the very word reality has no meaning.

Yep. That's just running away from or taking a breath.

The real reality. Yes. So those who are in spiritual mode or in sitting there in meditation are in fact the most deluding. As if reality will come from somewhere and bite them in the bum or something sitting on the cushion. Everything is reality. Where is there not reality? Not seeing this. They run around trying to find it. Wow.

Yeah.

That's like the gravity, what we said. I'll understand, I'll understand. But for those who Want to experience it? How will you experience it? It's everywhere.

It's just. It's just troubling when you put knowledge because then you have emotions and then everything starts. Everything starts.

Eating from the tree of knowledge and falling from grace and falling from paradise. And why they say little knowledge is dangerous. Total knowledge is total meditation. No meditation, no knowledge. Little knowledge is very problematic. Little meditation is very problematic. Sa.

I've learned to identify all of these things as I interact.

That is the actual living.

And I note that, hey, you know what you are? You are being the. You're letting yourself into the game and trying to take control of the game as some player, which you are not.

So this is very practical. You know what you are saying now? This is living it. So this is not a practice or this or that. This is practice, actual living. Nobody can teach you this. You cannot express this in a book.

You just have to live it.

You have to see it on your own. That is why it is called a realization.

People try to search it in a.

Book, they become experts on the mango. You know, they don't want to eat it.

Yeah. Reading about and eating a mango, knowing.

Becomes more important than eating it. It's more important whether you're doing socialism or capitalism or communism or this ism or that ism, not the actual living with everybody harmoniously. You understand?

Yep.

The minute you create any ism, Buddhism, now there is a problem. Buddha was all right. Buddhism is a big problem.

Yep. You just made up feelings and now you are looking for convenience.

That's all it is. Desire based. Thoughts are always based on desire.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, yeah, perfect word for it. Desire based.

There you go. So either desire, fear is another desire to not have the lack of something.

To not go out of your comfort zone. And the comfort zone is again decided by your knowledge of pleasure seeking.

No, no. It's a pleasure seeking principle. And pleasure is what, seeking, that momentary escape is what we call pleasure.

Pleasure is good. Pleasure is not bad. But then adding knowledge that if I don't have this pleasure anymore in my life, then this is no life. And then you start.

Pleasure is a state of mind which is dependent on the past. Just like pain. Pain and pleasure are both sensations based on senses and senses are based on the past. So when you say I know or I experience or I am, I am conscious, isn't that consciousness itself based on the past? If I am conscious of pleasure or conscious of pain, is it not based on the past?

So I was thinking that maybe so if you have a fire in front of you and you stick your hand in it, you're stupid, you're burning your hand. But that pain, if it is not real, even if it is given by your senses, the knowledge of it refrains you from putting your hand back in the fire.

That is called intelligence. That is the force that moves the entire universe.

But the. But there is a difference now, so. But now completely letting your world get ruled by the fear of fire, that would be where you are. So that fear would be. Would be the reaction and not. Not an action.

And based on the knowledge and projection of the past.

Fine, you burned your hand once. I'm not gonna put my hand there again. But.

It so happens. It's, you know, happens.

So it happens. It's an automatic thing.

No, there's nothing for you to do that. You neither did it or not, nor did it.

Okay, yeah, got it.

So that opinion factor is not there.

So similarly, the pleasure of even eating a mango, it's great. I wanna. I'm hungry. I'm gonna eat more.

Thinking factor, opinion factor is not there.

But then once I say that I want to live on a mango farm because I cannot live without mangoes.

You created all the problems.

Yes.

For yourself. On the other hand, if that happens to be the situation, that's okay.

Yep. You literally shallowed down your entire existence or life around you. You, You. You stopped seeing everywhere and you started focusing on one tiny laser beam. And yeah. Such a limited. You limited yourself in this limitless one dot.

You see, one.it's on the Pindu. The whole universe is actually a single point. That point is you, what you call I.

So are you saying that the universe, being a dot, is the. Is the universe created by me? Whatever I am thinking, is it not? Yes, it is.

What is the dream? Nothing. But, you know, nothing.

But me, I don't know what is happening outside of the dream. I only know what is happening inside of the dream. Because that is what I have created for myself. All that I can see, just like in Lion King, is our kingdom.

Yes. And the kingdom of heaven is also inside of me. Hell is here. Heaven is here. Everything is here.

Yep, everything is here. The very idea of you need to be punished and this is called a sin, and this is a blessed.

That's why in Sanatana there is no concept of sin. That is why when we said Bible and you know, any ism, Christianism, they create concepts which has no bearing on reality. Hinduism, all the isms are a problem. Whereas Sanatana And Vedas, in all these actual revelations that are there out there, which came from the sages and mystics and even Western mystics, I mean, the truths are the same, you see. And even in Christian sages, there have been those that have spoken the actual truth. And what Jesus actually said, nobody knows. It's all just translation.

It's just that I guess people with people who are devoid of awareness started to perceive things the way they wanted to and then just created the ism.

And they wanted to progress based on desire, where this is transcending desire and fear and seeing things for what they are.

You know what I don't understand that most of the people now, even if you know the world, this is such a simple fact to understand, right? That you have created your own gods and demons and you have created your own rules and your. For your own convenience. And.

It is very important now for you now that you have understood these basic facts to very much more clearly. Continue to see that the world that you now want to reform and you're wondering about these people and all does not exist.

Does not exist.

So do not get into it to see the past of it and see people and they did this and that and all that is the illusionary factor which is the past of knowledge.

Yep. No, no, I'm not saying that the world needs to be a better place or whatever.

No, no, pay attention. These people who are supposedly out there who need to know this, who is it?

We're just inferior people created by my being.

There's no people, nothing. You call it a person, but it's not a person. You see, Call it a tree, Is it a tree? It's labeled a tree, labeled a tree, but it is not a tree. So these people who should now know this, and why don't they know this? They're not people who cannot. The tree is not growing on its own. The tree has no agency. You cannot ask the tree why it is shaped this way, not like every other tree. It has no choice in the matter.

It is what it is. Oh yeah.

What the other people are also going through and what you are going through in this conversation, it's not happening. Because you and I are talking. The whole unfolding is happening. That's all.

It is what it is.

There is no need to ask the question, why don't people know this fact? There is no. No people, no knowledge. The whole thing is a dream, simple. Therefore, what, what this implies in action, however, is that there is only action. You know this. You are free now. You can. You're free to act if that action sees you teaching other people this. Correct?

Correct. Yeah. That's what I was going to question.

To question it is the foolishness of.

Expecting and desiring the question of why.

Is this or why is that. It's foolish. No, it's based on who's asking that question. Knowledge.

This is so true. Yes. Take the action, whatever it is, but.

Don'T drop the words. Vedanta means end of the Vedas. The words have to be taken, the meaning has to be taken. Like a Hansa that sits. Hans, you know, the bird. It sits in the milk and milk water mixture and is able to drink just the milk. That's why they called Yogananda Paramahansa, you know, the greatest Hansa. Why? Like my Guruji, the only essence, the rest is thorn.

Because it can separate the milk from the water.

It is. Yes. And the milk will never become water, you know, For anybody. I was just, you know, using the term Paramahansa, which is the term used for the parama, the ultimate label given to the yogis, Which is, you know, one who has established himself in the ultimate. And not even a single movement happens. When you see that is called permanent meditation. And there are some who are not able to. Now again, speaking in terms of, you know, phenomenality. There are some who are able to go into samadhi or whatever and it is their karma to not be in action. Otherwise. Otherwise there is only samadhi all the time.

It is their decision and their genuine action to not act upon it.

Nothing to do. They know this is not real. They want to just go back to sleep. Everybody wants to go back to sleep. Where they forget all their troubles. When you say forget all the troubles, they forget everything. That's called forgetting troubles. They don't even remember this world. They go to other worlds, they create other worlds. They enjoy or same suffering there also. Then they wake up and say, oh. They say good or bad, depending on whatever it was.

Yeah, I would. That's not my path. I don't want to stop seeing altogether. Don't live, see, act.

Right. So there's only action. There's only clarity. There's only the game to be played with fullness, you see? With fullness.

The game is.

Game is creation.

Yeah, it's just there. It's.

It's called creation. The game is creation. You can create anything you want.

It's all predetermined. You just have to play.

Now the conscious principle is predetermined. Which means that there has to be somebody for whom Something is predetermined. If there is nobody, then there is no predetermination.

Oh no, Yeah, I meant the same thing as in the genuine action or the intelligence.

Genuine intelligence is the genuine creation. Otherwise it is imagined creation which is only suffering.

And if you add knowledge to your thoughts, then. Yes, then you are on a pre determined path.

Yeah, it's same thing with the imagination. Imagination and knowledge are same. Imagination is based on past. You cannot imagine the future without a past.

Exactly, yes. Oh man, that is so true.

So imagination is itself the limitation. You cannot imagine what you don't know. You know, You can only use blocks, Lego blocks and create new things. You cannot create new Lego blocks. However, somebody created these LEGO blocks, you know, they appear. So there is that principle, the principle of principles, the nature of nature. You cannot call it now, you can keep using words now there is no point, there is no end to that. But you have seen what it is and now do just that. It is there, it is everywhere. It is only that.

So it's like if you. Everything is there, but if you only cut wood, you can only have a wooden object. As in the more knowledge. Just like you said, the future can only be imagined based on the combination of past and now. So the more you shallow your mind, the more it's limited. You make your imagination to be. And it's not a genuine action at all. You just sent yourself into the game.

Good. Great chat.

Yes, good chat.