Do we manifest things or is life all a big coincidence...Ep 21 with Kamal Grant of Sublime Doughnuts

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Hey, you are tuned in to 108.9 power. 108.9. I am Ebony Emma Pill here with Armand Kadima.

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Well, spiritual evolution.

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We gotta talk about how we transcend physical reality, you know, to conscious intercourse.

That's right, right. Elevated consciousness, transfer of information, energy, energy.

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As conscious, elevated beings.

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You know, some of the things that we don't talk about.

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A lot of things that we don't.

Talk about that we are unconscious about.

Unconscious about. Right, right.

So that's what it's all about.

Those conversations that get swept under the rug because, you know, we don't do that.

Most definitely. Most definitely.

We've been raised. We don't talk about that. We just. We just keep that in the house. Keep that behind closed doors.

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But we got to heal. That's how we heal. We got to be the village. We got to.

Exactly.

We got to talk about these things. We got to be therapists to each other. Even that word, therapists.

Therapist to one another. Huh?

You know, we got to be that.

I love that.

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That's what we got to be.

Most definitely. And today we have a special guest. Brilliant entrepreneur. Creative.

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Known as Brother for many, many years, you know, learned a lot, taught me a lot. Know, throughout my, you know, experiences. Known with him, you know, Kamal Grant. Kamal, Mr. Sublime Donuts, joins us today.

What's up?

What's up? What's up? Thanks for having me.

Good to have you. Good to have you Joining our conscious intercourse.

Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. Like you said, I've been knowing Armand for years.

It's been a minute, man.

Been knowing you for a good minute, too, so. Yeah, great. I appreciate y' all having me. Absolutely love y'. All. And I love this set up, so.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you.

We had to have you on, you know, talk about your. Your journey, you know, and. And you, you know, being an entrepreneur and a successful, you know, businessman.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. I can tell you some stuff. Yeah.

How you can tell us what's up?

The journey. Right.

You know, where. Where do we want to start, man?

Well, I want. Well, let's talk about Sublime Donuts for anybody who's ever, you know, had Sublime Donuts. You know, you. You you're very creative.

Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's an experience. Definitely.

It's an experience. Very, very creative. So where do. Where do these inspirations come from?

Just everywhere. I mean, that's the thing about creative. I mean, yeah, I am creative. I think I'm creative. But I mean, I think it's everywhere. I mean, it's just really about combining ideas that you love and seeing how you can create them in your own voice. So if it's something, obviously, I make donuts at the donut shop, but if it's something I like, like, let's say I go out and I go to the grocery store and I get orange Dreamsicle, and I'm like, how can I make this into donut form?

Exactly.

I mean, I went to pastry school, and I've been baking for years. So I know. So I can eat something and know the elements which I think make it work and then say, okay, how can I take those elements and I can make them work in a donut form? And they could steal. Still be unique and new in the donut. But then also, if you're eating, you can be like, this kind of reminds me of something. So when people come in and get. Which we call the Orange Dream Star at the shop because it reminds them of orange Dreamsicle, they say, what does it taste like? And I say, it tastes like summer memories of your child. Nostalgia. Right, Nostalgia.

Why I use the words out my mouth. Yes, exactly.

It tastes like chasing ice cream. And down the block.

Oh, wow.

And that's a taste. That's a. That's a taste.

It brings you back.

Smell. That's a feeling. It's very nostalgic.

We got a s' mores donut. Tastes like, you know, memories of your friends talking over an open fire.

Okay. Okay.

Yeah. So that's. That's obviously what we're trying to do and just try to have fun with it, you know?

So, I mean, you mentioned the sickle donut, the s' mores donut, but I've seen some. Okay, you got. So what's one of the craziest donuts you have?

The craziest donut we have. I don't have anything too crazy right now, but, you know, we had a whole series called Will It Donut. I know. A series called Will It Donut. I don't think you told me about this. Did you stop following me after? That's the Will It Donut. That's the one with the crab. So I had this wheel I called Wheel. Oh, donut or Will it donut. So we would spin the wheel, whatever it would land on. It had random, you know, dishes on there, and I would try to make a donut out of it. So I had a lobster.

Yeah, the lobster.

One man. Lobster. Oh, my God. And I went and got a fresh lobster from the store, and I did a whole thing where. Because obviously every episode, I want to make it fun and funny. So I'm like, how can I intro just instead of doing it? So I'm like, let me play with the lobster. Took the lobster to the park, and I put it on a swing and I pushed the lobster. Swung around with the lobster, and there was some music playing. And then. Right. Music just stopped. You saw me crack the lobster and put a knife into it.

Yo, that was rough.

Man of many years told me, yeah, stop following you after that. Said, oh, my God, yo, that hurt my feelings, man. Cuz you were just hanging out with.

This duck with this lobster all day and then literally just crushed them.

Was dead. The lobster was dead when I was pushing it in the swing. Lobster was never alive. Lobster. A while ago, actually, I did buy the lobster fresh. Well, this is the whole thing on lobster, in case y' all want to know.

Wow.

I didn't buy the lobster fresh from the store, but when I brought it back, I was like, I want to keep it alive for before I, you know, take care of it and eat it. So I poured some water, got a whole thing of water, and put the lobster in right away. But the thing about taking a fre. Lobster straight out of, you know, it's dry, and putting it straight in water. Yeah. Lobster actually drowned. You can't just throw it in water. And just a regular, really tap water, like these conditions. Right. Salt water and all this stuff. So when I put him in water, thinking I was going to keep him alive, he actually drowned.

Lobster drown.

Yes. I had to go. I said, what the hell happened to my lobster?

This is.

This is terrible. Terrible. Better way to die than how they normally kill lobster. They normally throw it in boiling water. Water. So he at least got to. He.

At least he died. Cool, right?

Cool. Like he was. Thought he was swimming again. You know what I'm saying?

Wow.

So, yeah, so those were some crazy donuts we did. We had a whole bunch of silly donuts, so we put them on the menu for a week. So, yeah, that one was a fun one. The lobster donuts, the chicken and waffles one. That's the one. We kind of do regular. I mean, it's not on the menu right? Now, but that's a fun one we can do where we take chicken, shred the chicken, you know, roast. Roast chicken. Then shred it. Then, you know, put like egg white, salt, pepper, sugar, a little lemon zest in there and then form it into a ring so it looks like a perfect ring. Then we freeze it and we make a waffle batter. Oh my God. Chicken ring in the waffle batter, fry it, and then when it comes out, it looks like a perfect cake donut, but it's all chicken inside. Then put a maple icing on it. Oh, wow. Chicken and waffles donut. So that one is a one and that one. People love that, man.

Didn't I see like a pork and bean one or something like that?

Oh wow.

Like a pork and bean one.

I'm like, that was just the April Fool's donut. Was it a couple weeks? Well, so that was for April Fool. So we never actually put that on the menu. Okay, let me put a picture up on the ground.

Yeah, I saw it and I was like.

So. Yeah. Disgusting actually. Yes.

I was like, is he serious? Is he serious?

Yeah, no, that was just for. That's just for the Instagram. Yeah.

This just for the gram.

Right? For the gram. Got to do it for.

Wow.

So yeah, no, we didn't know that. Cuz if I would do a pork and bean donut, I wouldn't just throw pork and beans on top of a donut. I would actually think about how can I take the essence of pork and beans and make it into a donut. So it would be way more technical and it would be delicious.

And you're thinking about it.

Yeah, yeah.

He said put the essence of the pork and beans into the donut.

Yeah, there's something for everybody. Right?

Like it's the thing. Like even what we did. Cuz what was one funny donut, I didn't think I could come up with a D. We did a salad donut. So instead of making. Okay, donut into salad, so we made a salad and took the donuts, the regular donuts, and chopped them up and made croutons with it. Oh, wow. Then made a white chocolate, white chocolate vinegarette and then poured it over. So you still got the chocolatey of the, you know, but still a dressing. But interesting salad dressing with a little white chocolate and then donut crouton.

So that is very creative.

But you can still be like, this is a salad, but you can still be like. Tastes sort of like a donut. So it worked and it was delicious. So that's what I would do if I would do a horny. What do you want to just top it on top and make it be disgusting? What's special here?

Okay, right, you lost me with the donut chopped up in the salad, right?

Donut croutons.

Right, Croutons. That's the thing. It's just croutons. So. Yeah, well, we take the crouton, we take the donut, and we chop it up and then toss it in like a little sugar. Then we toast it. So it's all toasted.

Oh, so they're toasted, though.

Oh, but more delicious croutons and more. Wow. Taste of croutons. So it's like. So it's all dried out. Yeah, it's great.

Yeah, that's great. That's creativity. Yeah.

If you get it, I give it to you, you would eat it. Like, this is great. You know? Those are donut croutons. Yeah, White chocolate vinaigrette.

You'd be like, wow, that's creativity at its finest, man. That is. That is super dope, man.

How many locations do you have right now?

We got two locations. One on 10th street in Atlanta.

Okay.

Where all the listeners are, Atlanta, we got atl, we got another one on North Druid Hills and Briar Cliff.

Okay.

And then we got two in Mercedes Benz Stadium. So if you go watch the Falcons player, Atlanta United, you can go. Nice. Y' all hear that?

Check them out, Check them out.

Wow.

So this, like, you. This is. This is the child, you know, you bringing out some of your child, your energy. Exactly.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've been doing this for a while. I mean, I wanted to be a pastry chef since I was in high school. And me and Armand. Oh, really linked up.

So. Yeah, in the home mech. You got inspired at home, Mac. We took that home back together, remember? Right.

That's what inspiration came from.

I remember before then, was it Grandma?

Were you in the kitchen with Grandma?

Well, yeah, just then. I mean, I just remember sweets and baked goods. So.

Okay.

I was in, like, the food service class and merit a high school and.

Okay.

And I was like, you know what?

Nice.

You know, for some reason, I decided then that I needed to decide what I need to do with the rest of my life today. And I was like, I gotta decide. I'm gonna be a pastry chef. And, well, tell people. I think we had this conversation before. Talking about passion and doing your passion. You say, oh. People say, oh, you're lucky to find your passion, Kamal. And I'm like, I don't necessarily think. I mean, I am passionate about pastries. I would say I just talked about it. Yes. Very elaborately. Crazy enough person where whatever I would have chosen at that point, I probably would have been passionate if I would have been like, I want to be a dj. Like, I'd be like, he's the best dj. Okay. Spinning tunes. So that's what I decided at that young age. And, you know, I. After the. After high school, I went to the Navy, and I was a baker in the Navy.

Oh, wow.

And even though nobody else, like all the rest of the cooks in there, hated being there, I was the only one like, nah, I want to do this for a living. I'm like, really? So I had to leave the Navy because I'm like, y. Y' all not passionate like me. So I went to the Navy, and then I was. I went to culinary school. So I went to culinary school in New York, you know, premier culinary college, Seattle Culinary Institute of America, and, you know, learned the culinary arts there, baking and pastry arts. And then after that, went to baking science school in Kansas. And. Yeah, learned the science.

Baking science school.

We got a Ph.D. baker in here, man. Straight up. A scientist.

A baking scientist in here.

This is the grain box of, you know, the. The bread box of America, really. The grain is made. So it's got all the wheat fields. You know, there's obviously college, like University of Georgia, a lot of agriculture, University of Kansas State, they do grain science. They got a grain science program where they teach about these farmers how to farm their grains, but also a part of that, because if you have grains, you got to know what to do with it.

Exactly.

Making science school, which has a lot of people that work for, you know, these big corporations like Nabisco or Sarah Lee or Flowers, they send all their employees. So when the big tanker trucks of flour come in, they actually know what to do with it. So I went to that school so I could learn. Wow. How to bake, the science of baking. So, wow. All the things of baking, man.

You're a consummate professional baker.

So I told you, I jumped into it. I was like, yeah, this is.

You went all in.

I like it.

You went all in to the limit.

Did you come against some people who try to discourage you? You know, like, come on, what are you doing? This ain't gonna be nothing like you. You tripping.

I mean, interested how people. Maybe not in baking, but, like, let's say when I first started the donut shop. Yeah. Yeah, when I first started the donut shop, because I started the donut shop in 2008. And you gotta remember this time, 2008. I don't know how big of foodies y' all are, but the food scene, like, people really started becoming foodies around that time because that was the time really social media was started blowing up. I would say I was a foodie before them because I went to chef school, so. Right. High quality food. So. But a lot of people were, you know, starting to be foodies.

Yeah. Taking a picture of everything they eat.

You know, and just really looking for the best of product. Because before the, you know, like, people now allow. It's commonplace. But before then, you would just go to whatever your local place is on the corner.

Exactly.

When I told people, I want to open up a donut shop, you know, first thing people say were like, we already have a donut shop. We already got Dunkin Donuts.

Exactly.

Why, like, why do you need to do this? Like, there already is one that exists. And I was like, I want to open up a better one. And a lot of people didn't even understand that, like, there can be something better conceptually. I even had to break it down. Like, you understand how there's Fords and there's Lamborghinis. I want to eat a Lamborghini.

There you go.

Right.

People steal the Lamborghini donut.

And this was before the boutique donut shop world existed. So when I opened it up, you know, obviously a lot of the foodies started coming by. And even in those days, there was a fight with the customers because people would come in the shop and obviously these are high end quality donuts. So we had to charge more than Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts. Three times the price.

Exactly.

And people would come in and be like, me, a donut. Oh, what? How much? And they'll walk out straight up.

Right, right.

I'm good. Like, I'm not gonna fight you over.

Yeah, right.

If you don't understand what we're doing here, High quality donuts, like, I'd rather fail doing what I want to do, then try to conform.

Right.

There you go. Wow.

So even those early days, we didn't do a glazed or a chocolate donut, like, because that was people's default. Everyone goes to new places, and when you go to a new place, you know. You know, when you go try new things, you know, there's two sorts of customers. I think there's customers that. Well, just everybody. Two sorts of people. When you go to new things, some people are like, oh, I Want to try the most unique thing. I want to try something new. There's other people that be like, I don't trust new stuff. Let me try their standard. Let me do it their normal thing. So, yeah, obviously, I don't know, y' all are probably other friends. They'll go to pizza place, be like, I'll just get their cheese pizza. And if they do this right, then.

Yeah, I've heard that a ton of times. Yeah.

So, yeah, I said, no, we're not gonna do that. We're gonna take away everybody's default. They're not gonna come in here and be like, I'm gonna try your glaze.

Right.

Compare it about. No, you come in here, you're gonna try one of these crazy donuts. The strawberries and cream Reese's peanut butter cup Oreo donut. Yeah. Something that. Because at the time, even those donuts are kind of blase now. But at the time when we were doing those in 2008, nobody was doing donuts.

Yeah.

So no one was even thinking to put Oreos on a donut, which is so easy to do now.

Straight up.

Yeah. But even though people are like, this is crazy.

I'm like, who else is doing stuff like that? Is there anybody else doing stuff like that?

I mean, there's people that are doing it now more, but a lot of.

Boutique donut shops coming up around the country. I mean, and even Dunkin Donuts and Krispy Kreme, they're getting into, you know, adding in like, you know, like, obviously, like the star donut talk about the orange dream starts. The star shake donut. And we have our raspberry filled donuts are heart shaped. So we've been doing that since the beginning. And, you know, people would start telling me, because, I mean, now Krispy Kreme and Dunkin Donuts, like, during Valentine's Day, they'll do heart shaped donuts.

Exactly.

See that? They didn't do it before. Yeah. You're a trendsetter, man. You look at me and say, oh, we're going to copy this. Or, you know, maybe, maybe not. I ain't see it before.

I mean. But you ended up getting a lot of buzz in the beginning. Because I remember.

Yeah. You know, that was it. Because it was different. Like no one was doing what I was doing. And that's another thing that's kind of unique right now. Not to say I'm the Godfather, but there was a few people. There was not even a real black food scene, like straight up, that were black owned, that you Know, there was a black owner back there or a black chef doing it in the black owner and you know, made high quality food. I mean, obviously there was black food establishments, but you know, it's like, like chicken spots or something. Yeah. You know. Oh, or the Jamaican spot down this still bootleg spun divots.

I don't even know the Beautiful in the West End.

I remember. Yeah. The one spot that I could think.

Of was like the Beautiful.

There was the beautiful place called Rare. Yeah. And those were the only sort of black places. So. So just having a black business and then not doing like. Obviously if you come in the shop, you're gonna hear, you know, black music playing. Like, you know, I'm black so I can't stop being black.

But you're the first person that put me on to Drake too, by the way. First I was just like, this new.

Kid is blowing up. It's crazy.

I'm just gonna associate that day.

I was like, what you talking about? So listen, listen, listen.

He's gonna be the.

He's gonna be the thing.

He's gonna be the man.

And I was like, she just came from New York and a California girl. Oh, Angela. Angela Floy. She's doing great. Angela Floy. Shout Out Shook's a big time offer. She actually won a whole big prize. She's out. Angela was doing great. Her book was like on what's the show? What's the show? Issa rae. What was I.S.S. ray show Insecure. Issa Rae was reading her book on one of the shows. I'm like, look at Angela. She made herself. Yeah. So she was working for me for a little bit. Well, working with me. As I like said working with me. Everybody works for me.

There you go.

So she's working with me and. And she was like, oh, this new kid, Drake. And I said, yeah, this. You sing these old sad rap songs with this straight up sad rap.

Country rap too.

You talk about it not being a lot of black owned restaurants and at that time, yeah.

So there weren't a lot. So a lot of obviously people supported and you know, I got a lot of press for being like the one black guy who was a black chef. And obviously my resume speaks. It wasn't. And it was like high quality, like not trying to dumbed down like, oh, I'm not gonna make a chicken wing spot or just, or, or a cheap restaurant. Because you know, people like to associate. You know, there's a implicit bias in a. You have to my unconscious thing. I heard y' all talking about that there's an unconsciousness where blackness is always associated with badness, with low quality bad.

Very true.

It's like. And that's in, like, there's in a place of bias in all of us. And I mean, it comes from slavery. It's a whole deeper thing. We can always get into that.

We'll get into that.

It's definitely deeper.

So obviously, doing the donuts I were doing, it was high level donuts. And like, he didn't. You didn't see black people doing this, so.

Correct.

Yeah. It's crazy. Like, and that was, you know, I was killing. It had lights out the door and I was. That was about the days I used to be on the front helping customers. And, you know, I would be helping, ringing people up. And it's funny, there'd be a white boy right next to me. He works for me. And I'll be helping the customer. I'm ringing them up, doing everything. I'll be glad I even got them my little fancy chef jacket. And they'll go to him and be like, you're the owner.

And he's like, no, right, right, right. Wow.

So, yeah, like, right. So, yeah. So people don't really expect, you know, that from black people. So, you know, just doing. And, you know, donuts were the best, you know.

So are the majority of your customer base black?

No, no, no. We do all of Atlanta. All of Atlanta. Young, old, black, white. I mean, our customer base is donut based. If you, like, love donuts, you come to. Yeah, that's what's up. You can come in the donut shop and, you know, see business people taking them to work in the morning, school. Then you come late in the afternoon, see people taking them to their family. Then you come later, you see students from Georgia Tech coming after, you know, before they go home to study. Then you come in the middle of night. You'll see people leaving the club before they go home, grab a donut. So it's all sorts of people, you know, Young, old. Yeah. Wow.

So I know on the show we talk a lot about, on this, you know, program, Conscious Intercourse, we talk often about how being conscious, Right. Making conscious decisions on who you are, how you're going to live your life ultimately creates an attraction and the universe conspires in your favor to accomplish the things that you want to accomplish. Right. So looking at you, your story, kind of watching it from the beginning, knowing that you made this decision at a young age, right in your teenage years, to be a pastry chef, went to the Navy, did that Went to school. And I remember when you first, you know, talked about the shop. Right. And how you just stumbled upon this place that was ready to go. Like, can you talk a little bit about that and. And expound further on? Did. Did the universe truly conspire in your favor to.

To.

Because if you look at it. Because I remember it all kind of fell into place.

And I remember watching it.

It was mind blowing. Cuz.

Yeah.

Can you share a little bit about that?

Unfortunate. I mean, I was probably. I mean, I was thinking donuts were ready to be gourmet. Gourmetized gourmet. I was thinking of that probably a couple years before I had the shop. Even wrote a whole business plan a year before. And I was looking around seeing how could I do this? How would I be able to make. Build out a shop, make money. And obviously I didn't have any money.

Yeah.

And this is where I don't necessarily be believe in the universe conspiring. I mean, things happen. Oh, here we go. I think life is random, but I think this is the thing. Like I said, I was a foodie before food was a thing. So it was more of like it was very fortunate and lucky. Like I. Yes. I wrote a business plan a year before and I was looking around thinking, how can I open up a donut shop? So there was a donut shop. The current 10th street location. It was a donut shop open a year before me. So there was a donut shop, the owner for which is now some chicken place. It used to be called City Cafe. It was a cafe on the corner. He took over that place and built out a donut shop. He had a baker there. They were gonna make donuts. The baker quit on him. Yes. So it closed down. So, yeah. So I went to the donut shop because I saw there was a donut shop. And I like to try you unique things. So I was like, oh, let me see this donut shop. Make different donuts than Dunkin' Donuts. I went there, donuts were terrible. I was like, oh, this sucks for them. Damn, it sucks. You know, so went back a couple months because I feel like this support. Small business. Yeah. Went back even though they were terrible. I said, let me go back. You know, I'm around town and they were already closed. And I was like, oh, not surprised. I was like, I'm talking all that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I got a big 4 lease sign. Let me call this guy, see if I can make it happen. And he was like, you know, first Question he asked me, are you a baker? I was like, yeah. He was like, all right. He told me, sorry, I was baker. Quit on him. So nobody else. And that's the thing about, like, this particular field. And even every employee that's ever worked with me, like. Like cooking or something, you could pull someone offline, cook job. Nobody really knows how to bake and nobody knows how to make donuts. So it's a real particular feel.

Yeah.

Hiring people, like, there's no other. No one can bring. No one has ever brought other skill sets. I think I got one guy. I got probably two guys, Jay. And they came. But even then I had to teach them. The donuts you made at the last place were shitty.

Like, level up, Right.

We're going to retrain you and we're going to do things the right way. So. But, yeah, so I started off, and so it's very fortunate because I would not have been able to build out that place on my own. Would I even be here? What would I be doing with my life if that donut shop would been there?

And you think it was just random, huh?

Life is random, man. Yeah, I think the conscious decision, where we're talking about consciousness is when you have your mind set on something, like. Because I am a baker and I like the field, it wasn't. It was something that I thought about consistently, so it was something that I was. So I was actively looking. So.

Exactly.

If, you know, if I wasn't thinking about it, you know, obviously I would have passed by it and be like, I don't really, really care. Like. But I think it's. It's. So I think that's where I think the things get. And obviously, you know, everybody got their own opinion. I mean, it's perspectives, right? Because when you think about. Yeah. If you're successful because something happened, you say, oh, yeah, the universe conspired. And I was thinking about this before, but you were thinking about it all the time, and. And. And you saw the opportunity when it popped up. Whereas someone else who wouldn't think about it, they were just, you know. You know, there's a million things passing by every day, right? Yeah. You know, you can't pick out which ones to stop and take a look at. So you happen to be thinking about this, and you'd be like, oh, let me stop and take a look. Yeah, I think that's what it is. But now, man. Yeah, I don't know. I think life is too random. Because. Because that's the thing. It's easy and it's easy for me to sit up here with a success story and be like, yeah, the universe conspired for me. Yeah, I deserve it.

You manifested it, right.

Probably set and dreamed of donut shops also, you know, saying. And they're not here with the same success story, but they probably put in more work than me. And they come here because they never saw that opportunity or never fell in their lap, you know what I'm saying? So I think it's just random, man. Luck and life happens, you know what I'm saying? So. I don't know.

Interesting you say that because like I said, I remember watching it from the beginning. Right. It just so happened you found this place that was just.

Yeah.

Recently closed, had all the equipment was ready to go. It was almost like out of the box. Right. You know, and it just so happened you had this friend that was an accountant that just had a relationship with this micro lending company.

Right?

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I was like, hey, come on, by.

The way, you know, you need some. A little extra cash, you know what I'm saying?

You was the link to that. I forgot about that.

You know what I'm saying?

This great accountant named Armand Kadima, you know what I'm saying? Hey, by the way, I mean, that's a good story. It is funny how it. That is a definitive moment. But it's crazy how looking about that now because that's. Was it a lot?

It wasn't a lot. It was a five grand, right?

Yeah. But it wasn't much. But what, what it came through because the whole story should only have. I had 15. I think I had 15 grand ish, you know, around there. 15 grand ish in my bank account to, you know, do whatever I want. But that was like 401ks stuff. Yeah. Or whatever. So. Yes. Got, you know, the shop and you know, took over the lease and obviously did the things to take out all the money on my 401k. And it was, it was taking months to get. It was like took some time or whatever, the paperwork. So that's when I was like this, Trent. So, you know, went to the micro lenders and they gave me money and you know, that was great. So they come through and able to pay the rent. So. Yeah. Yeah. But you know. Yeah, it's a lot of things like that, you know, it's. I don't know. I mean there's. There's this. That's what I'm saying. Because I think, I don't know, I just think because when you start talking about like the universe conspiring or manifesting. Or manifesting, then you start blaming people for not being successful. And that's where I think it's a slippery slope and saying that, oh, I deserve this. And I got this because the universe wanted me to have it, because I thought positively about it. Oh, why aren't you successful? Because maybe the universe doesn't want you. You're blaming people. And I think, no, like, obviously, like the reason my success is because of, you know, the very lucky, fortunate to see the donut shop and, and then obviously you to come through with that. So I could get five grand so I could pay that rent. And then, and then also so I could, you know, and then the, the bloggers and stuff coming by. Yeah. Because then even then, you know, the HAC and all these people, like we're still like a couple months in not making no money. Yeah, exactly. Slowly but surely the bonkers came in and like the. I remember the last month before we really kicked it off and, and went to the stratosphere. Like I had to run, take the money out the register there and put it in there before that rent check. You know, that check would have bounced on the rent. So yeah, you know, it still ran through all that 15 grand quickly. Right.

It happens.

But I think that's what I'm saying. You start blaming people be like, oh, I don't know, I think it's just a slippery slope. Like, because a lot of people are putting in the same amount of work. You know what I'm saying? There's a lot of people that work very hard. And that's the thing we start blaming especially poor people and be like, like, you know, you get these Elon Musk types blaming poor people. Be like, you don't work hard enough. Yeah. And it's like poor people literally work the hardest. Are you kidding me? This is so true.

Yeah.

More people work. The slaves.

The slaves work the hardest.

Right? The hardest. You know, the hardest. But even poor people right now, like low income people work two, three. Yeah. Provide. And you know, it's really about. They, they're. Because of the system has put them into certain positions and then they don't know how to get out. Like, like I was fortunate, like even before then, like my dad wasn't. And I think even just me even having the foresight because I mean, I never really, really wanted to open up a donation. Like I'm an entrepreneur now. I got a whole nother business I'm working on.

Yeah.

And I love this. But I, like, I was quite content. If I would have got a job at Dunkin Donuts in the research development factory, you'd have been good. Like, I can do this. Like, I just wanted to create products. So I was working at the big bakery, and I was like, I want to create stuff, and I don't have the opportunity here. And I applied for research development jobs, and no one ever gave me a job. So if Burger King would have gave me a job working in Burger King research development place, I'd be like, oh, this is cool. I make new burgers every week. You know what I'm saying? This is great. But so. Yeah, but. And then before that, like, my. Like, you know, my dad, he's an accountant, got his own accountant thing. I mean, he just. Well, he's getting money right now. But, you know, you know me. I didn't grow up with money. You know what I'm saying? I remember them days, man. Them freaking road days, man. Like, my whole childhood, like, poor. You know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, obviously, there's levels of poor, so I wasn't super poor, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, but you on freaking road, man.

When it was real.

Franklin Road.

Maretta, Shout out to Franklin Road.

And speaking of that, we gonna take a break real quick. Speaking about paying the bills. We gonna come right back.

We gonna take a break and get.

Right back into that consciousness. Hey, hey. And we are back conscious. Intercourse. Intercourse here with Kamal Grant, the donut man.

We are intertwining, you know, and sharing our experiences. You know, elevating.

Yes, yes. Talking about manifestation and, you know, what's.

Coincidence or the randomness of, you know.

Or the randomness of things. Right.

Wow.

So, yeah, a little bit. What I was saying with my dad, he had an accounting business. So I think just seeing that he had his own business. Yeah. Like, it wasn't a foreign thing to me. So he wasn't successful, but it wasn't foreign, where I think a lot of people who, like. So that's why every time people ask, like, Marietta wanted me to go speak again to high school just to speak to the kind of people ask. Like, Marietta wanted me to go speak again to high school just to speak to the kids, to say there's someone that can open their own business. Like, you got to see that people have been open, because even when I was like, congratulations. I'm like, nigga, I ain't done nothing. I'm at this job this next week. I'm broke right now.

Got no money.

So it was. So it is that thought of like. Like a lot of people don't really see that. Especially the people. Like, you know, being at the old Baker, I was at, like, that's type people. I was, you know, hanging around at the time. You know, still type people hang around, I don't know, rich folks like that. You know what I'm saying? So just regular, average black folks. And you don't see a lot of black folks with their own business because it's even crazier. And that's why I think. Yeah, probably was one of the first. Yeah, definitely was. Because this was. Was this. When I first opened it up, this blew my mind. Yeah. The guy that came and check, you know, did the, you know, the inspection, the health guy or whatever. Like, he came through and he was inspecting. He like, oh, you the owner? I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, that's what's up. He's like, you don't see a lot of them. And he inspects all the places in Atlanta. And he was like, we be thinking we own the places, but we don't be owning them. I was like, so 2008. So I mean, now, like, there's plenty of restaurants and a lot of restaurants are killing it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I wish I'd have got out there because I had some things. I knew brunch was gonna be popping. I was like, I need to open up a brunch spot. Yeah. Now brunch is everywhere. I'm old everywhere. But yeah, all these people are killing it. You know what I'm saying? They're all making great money and black people are supporting them because, I mean, I don't. People didn't really realize that they. There was this. I mean, we always knew Atlanta had a black strong middle class, but really wanted to support our own things. And you know, we always would go to other restaurants. There's always things, you know, black Houston's or something.

Yeah.

Support.

But Papa Do, Papa do you Steak and shrimp.

Like you said, spun divots. Like spun divots was the spot. Jesus. Shout them out.

That was exactly right.

Right. So, yeah, now.

Now it's.

So now there is like. So, yeah.

Lots of black owned restaurants.

Yeah. It was a different time. So, yeah, just seeing that. So that's the thing. I was fortunate enough to see that my dad had his own accounting thing, even though he wasn't making money or rich. I could be like, oh, this like, you can have your own business.

Exactly.

Like, just do some paperwork magic. And I think not understanding that or having that, you know, someone that you can see do that. So that's why a lot of people are in that situation. So it is random, like. And that's what I'm saying. Like, it's a slippery slope. I mean, you ain't. Yeah, you're poor because you ain't manifested. You haven't thought highly enough about yourself. It's like, I don't know, man. A lot of people think highly about themselves.

I mean, do they though, right?

Because.

Because we have to think about that as well. Because if you're going to talk about, you know, earlier we were talking about how deep the effect of slavery have had on us as a people, right?

So do.

Does. Do people that were slaves or descendant of slaves think highly of themselves? Right, that's. That's one of the questions that I. I ponder upon. It's like, can you really think highly of yourself when you've been oppressed Generationally, your DNA's been oppressed?

Well, it's even deeper than that. I just listened to another podcast, another pod, not as good as this one, but this is not. Of course not. Listen to another one. They were talking about implicit bias and how, you know, I don't know if know what that term, but implicit by how we all have an implicit bias. Like when you see things like, you know, black or white, you know, fat, skinny, like, people automatically before, you know, judge, you know, and there's a way, like Harvard got this thing, and everybody can go track it down and you can go test out your implicit bias. Maybe y' all should do that before show and judge what y' all were biased about.

Yeah, no, that'd be great.

Check it out. There's a man woman thing you can do. But. And so now, since so many people have went on and took this test of implicit bias to see if. And there is implicit bias, but they even went deeper now that they got so much of a research on it, because the lady just said, who was doing the study? She said, you know, back when Abraham Lincoln was going to war with the south and whatnot, he looked at, you know, county by county, which county had the most slaves. So he could know, okay, which one are gonna fight the most? Let me figure out which county by county. So there's a whole historical data where you can go back and look at which county had the most slaves that Lincoln commissioned. And she took that data with the implicit bias status. See, which places do white people think, you know, less than think black people are less than, you know, I'm saying. And it matches up, it correlates. And the crazy part, what she was breaking down about it is it's not the same people living here or not even the same ancestors. Like, people move, you know what I'm saying? People move out. But because it was there, there, like it just gets taught and just, it just keeps regenerating. So when you're saying like our slaves like that, you know, I'm saying because you're a slave, it's not because you're a slave. It's like you, I mean, you're, you're African. Yeah, you can bring an African from here. And because he's growing up in this right now, he's going to grow up with the same implicit bias that the slave owners and feel and grow up in this 100% that we have. So, I mean, and it's the same thing. I mean, I mean my little history, my, you know, my parents are from Panama and I mean, my parents, Panama. But, you know, down the slaves came all over. So, so still slavery. But Panama doesn't have as much of, oh, it's black or white. You know, obviously white. Even when Panamanians tell me this, I'm like, you don't think it because that's what poor people think, but white people. But if you notice who's the rich class? They're all fair skinned. You know what I'm saying? They're not even dark Panamanians. Like, they're not even the Hispanics who we think of the Hispan, you know, they're all the Selma Hayeks, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Exactly. They're all white.

So when you say, when you mention implicit biasness, it's really based on your experience, where you come from.

Well, it's based on everything. It's based on life. Like, we all grow up with that and it's, we have so knowing that even us, like, we, I mean, I haven't taken the test and I'd hate to take it and see because, I mean, I think they have shown that a lot of black people see black things as positive. And I think I would because I love is great. Okay, Right. But yeah, you, you start seeing like, you, we all have a bias of what we think is bad and what we think is good. You know what name we think is bad, what we think is good. You know, you get people to start like, what do you think dating an average black woman is like? And all these negative connotations come up and I'm like, but all the black women I've dated in my life, they're none of them. Like, they're all the opposite of that caring, loving people, you know what I'm saying? Why do we got all this aggressive? Won't listen to me. Like, they all do all. They listen. Like, so it's all this, it's all. It's so ingrained to us. And it's not just ingrained in like white people. It's ingrained to our pop culture. Like, exactly. A pop culture. Every comedian does a joke on it. Like, I just started talking about with a friend and heard something online. Talking about like this new age damn, what was the minstrel. New age minstrel. How to really get like popping on social medias and stuff. You gotta be like, this is good. That chicken good. And you. And if you start thinking about, you start seeing it. Like, damn. We even start feeding into it. Like, like the, the blue flay. So the Christian rock. Oh, let's see their life, you know, Bad girls club. Like we're feeding into this minstrel. Like, oh, like this is all black people are. And like black people are multi layered. Like we're a lot of things. Like we're loving, we're caring, we can be calm, we can be chill. You know what I'm saying?

But intelligent, right?

They want to highlight certain things.

Yeah, but we highlighted. But then even we start feeding into it too. And you know, it's. It's this whole thing of like, it's so, so it's, it's in there and it's everywhere. So it's, it's knowing that implicit bias exists and then being like, look, let me make a conscious decision not to do it. So when you talk about the unconscious and conscious, that's what first I was thinking when y' all did Yalls intro. It's like we all have an unconscious bias that we need to try not to, you know, put on other people.

And I think that's what it is. That's what we talk about here. Like you said, the consciousness and being aware of learned behavior, right? Being aware of our trauma throughout life and being. And like you said, you manifest things because it was, it was on your mind. You said that. You said it was all you thought about. You saw, you pretty much saw yourself in this donut shop. You saw it. That's how you manifested, you know, like, that's what I'm saying.

Like, I mean, I appreciate it. That's a good point.

That's a Real thing. And that's where it starts. That's the law of attraction. You create. You know, you drew that to you because it was all that was on your mind, you know, you. And it wasn't just on your mind. You saw it. You know, you pictured yourself in a donut shot.

I hear you. Yeah, yeah.

Just so that you have. Even the fact that you have 15 grand in a 401k, right?

Yeah.

How many people actually find themselves in that position? Right. Yeah.

No, you put in the work.

You put in the work. You saved. You didn't turn up and go to Magic City, right, And drop, you know, a grand, Right. You saved it on your 401k. Right? So it's like. So to me, it's like part of manifestation also requires you putting in the work.

Yeah.

Because it requires effort. You know, it's. It's the works that associate. That follow faith, Right? That's part of, you know, you. You manifest.

You.

You create this vision of what you want to be. And then subconsciously, you put these emotions, this. This rhythm in motion that allows you to then get up every day and make the conscious decisions that lead you to obtaining your dream. Right? That's, to me, what manifestation is. It's not just sitting here and saying, oh, I want to be this, and then sitting on a couch waiting for this to happen. It follows action follows those thoughts, right? Those. Those imaginations and those visions and. And from your story, I see how you want to. Like you. You. You made this decision and then these. And you imagined yourself as being a pastry chef. And then actions followed that led you on that particular. The path. To me, that's what manifestation is. It's not just.

It's not just something spooky. I don't know.

I'm picking you.

I'm choosing you.

The universe put in the work. Yeah, it's true. I think. I mean, I think, you know, you definitely have to plan. Like, not planning is planning to fail. So. Yeah, that's what I tell everybody when I do speeches about business. Like, you have to put a business plan together. If you don't put a business plan together, you're going to fail. Like, it's a business plan. You think about everything, and you constantly think about and try to figure out what's best for your business. But. But all. I just. I just. I just. I just feel like this manifested. I feel you because there is a power of positive thinking. Like another thing I just listen to where there's a power, like even, you know, saying negative thoughts, they can't creep into, you know, like, your bias and start doing stuff. But I just feel like, like, because right now, like. Like black people are great. Like, we're doing great, and we can achieve a lot of things we couldn't achieve 10 years ago. But the. But that's what I'm thinking. I'm making. When I think about that and say, I'm thinking, but I'm guaranteeing, like, in the 60s, black people were manifesting. But, yeah, they got a, you know, a foot put on their neck. You know what I'm saying? So. So, yeah, then when you start saying, oh, why didn't it come to them? Was it then. Because that's how these white people even tricked us into thinking slavery was a good thing, is thinking were not worthy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't. I forgot where it was. It was something that I saw. I don't know if it was a special on a show, but it was something where old black lady. It was just something. But it was like old black lady from Mississippi and someone's mama, someone's mom, and they were just like. Yeah. I just felt like. Like black people weren't worthy. Like. And. And. But that thought was ingrained. And it's like. And I just. I don't know. I think it's just too slippery, man. No, I'm with you because, you know.

I look at my life, for example, right? You know, I. I think I've talked to you about it. I'm like, all right, you know, me losing my parents at a young age, right? My wife passing away, right? Was that manifesting this crap? Did I manifest and say, hey, I want my wife to die during child labor?

No.

So I could have be a widower, father of eight children, right? I was not manifesting that. Like, that's not even for you, right? Things that happen to you in your life, like, you consider manifesting, you know, you know, being a widower, you know, being a widow rather, you know, you know, like, you didn't manifest.

We can't control everything.

So it's like something with you. It's almost like certain things happen that are just out of you are just random, right? It's like, you see the. You know, we're familiar with the terms fate or destiny, right? Are some things just fate? Is it. Is it just some people's destiny to. To be poor or to be lynched or to be. What I'm saying, like, because literally, you.

Know what I'm saying?

Like, the Till movie just came out. I Couldn't go watch it, right?

I don't watch. I don't want these trouble.

That happened. Did his mom manifest that? Did he manifest that? Or was that just fate and destiny?

Is it. Was.

Is there a. An overarching.

I think it's power or being that.

Controls and dictates what happens to people. Like, what is that?

No, I think it's random. Life is random. Terrible people are terrible, and they get away with and live a good life, because that's the thing you think, oh, let me be a good person, do this. Like, yeah, there's shitty people that are doing amazing, you know what I'm saying? That are doing great, too. Because I've heard about that.

Talk about karma or, you know, they're.

Gonna get what they get.

I'm like, it's been 400 years.

They're still doing this crap. There's shitty people that are going to do great. So that's what. That's why I say, no. Like, life is too random. You can. You can make your own choices, right? I mean, you choose how to react. You choose how to react. I mean, you definitely should think positive, make your own choices to. To, like, go after your dreams and do that. You know I'm saying. But on the flip side, sometimes it just doesn't happen. And it's not your fucking fault. You know what I'm saying? It's not your fault because you're not less than. You're not unworthy. Like, sometimes the. The bricks, the. The chips don't go your way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So even, like, yeah, y' all just said, yeah, like, we definitely had that conversation when you, you know, your wife passed. And I was like, no, it definitely isn't your fault because it's too. It's too big. It's too. It's bigger. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's so much bigger. And there's so many things, so. Because even if, like, your wife passing, it didn't just affect you, you know what I'm saying? It affected her parents. It affected all your kids. Did all your kids do something wrong? You know what I'm saying? No. So it's so many things, so it's like, no, we. And that's the thing. We. We start to get around, like. And I think. And I hate to. I don't want to knock y' all back. Like, yeah, this is all philosophy, and I hate y', all, but we start thinking, like, everything revolves around us, and. And it doesn't. Like, life Is random. Like. Like, we're here, you know, I'm saying we're here for a good time, so we're here for a short time, so might as well have a good time. Might as well treat people right while we're here, you know what I'm saying? That's, that's, that's what I'm trying to live. I'm trying to treat people right while I'm here. Have a good time while I'm here, you know, I'm saying, and respect the people, you know, I'm saying, and try to try to leave a good legacy and not, you know, anybody over. That's what it's about, you know, I'm saying to say, like, oh, I've been anointed. This is old to me. You know, like Kanye west and some, like, disgust me. Okay.

But in the, in the midst of all that, just be conscious of your thoughts. Just be careful. You're constantly focusing on, like, you could be focusing on all the hate, what they telling you you aren't and what you can't do. And if you focus on that, then that becomes your life.

Yeah, you definitely have to think positive. I mean, I didn't used to think that. And that's another thing where. Thing we recently talked about. I changed on that. Where I used to think you got a positive power. Positive thing. Because even we're talking about the donut shop. Like, I never wanted. I never thought for a second I just wanted to open up a donut shop, and that was it in style. Open up a donut shop. Locals come by. Stop. It wasn't. I want to open up a donut shop and be on the Food Network. I want to open up a donut shop and be in magazines. I never thought that. So for that to happen, it's great. I mean, was the end goal when I opened up the donut shop to make the best donut in Atlanta? Yes. So did that equal to all those things? Yeah, that. That made those things happen. You know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm like. But yeah, so I used to be on that. Now, you know, think about. But. But I recently heard that, yes, negative thinking does start affecting you negatively, and you definitely should start, you know, obviously thinking more positive, you know, regardless of the circumstances. Yeah, regardless of circumstances. Yeah. But I mean, I'm even personal, like, I think neg all the time. So I say this only to say because I try to be better. And that's the thing. Even these guys, like, I try to be Better. I think that you're like, you meet me every other day. I'd be like, I'm the dumbest.

Yeah.

But, you know, obviously, you know, try to be better. So it is hard. So I don't know. I ain't got the answers, man. I was just trying to figure it out, too.

But whatever you're doing, you know, it's.

Working for you, right? It's working for you. It is. We chug a lugging along. I mean, that's.

That's the good thing about, you know, having this conscious intercourse, right? It's like you're able to gain perspectives and ideologies, you know, and thought patterns that we all can learn from each other, Right?

That's right.

Because, you know, even you and I have had, you know, several conversations about just a lot of different facets in life. You know, I remember one point in time, you and I were talking about, you know, men and having multiple women, right? And we talked about how, you know, in the Bible, it talks about how men, you know, some men had, you know, kings had 100 wives or a thousand wives, King Solomon this, that. And the other people get out there and say, hey, this is how it should be. Men should have all these wives and things of that nature, right? But then it's like. But it's like the man can have all these wives, but then the women cannot. They're supposed to just sit there and wait for this, their turn, right? And, you know, having a dialogue. And I'll just say, yo, you know, this is how it's happened. This is how it should be. You know, in the animal kingdom, you see it, then you just like, come on, bro. Like, think about it.

You think these women just sat around. She's like, these women just sat around and did nothing, Just waited. They turned on, you know, 100th of the hundredth day of the month of the year for them to get. They turned. It's like they were the stable hand for them. He didn't know they was his kids. You know what I'm saying?

Exactly.

Right?

Yeah. No, I think that's it. Like, if you. I mean, and I'm kind of open this. I'm on either side. I mean, I. I don't know, but I think it can work. If it can work with your partner, it can work. But to sit and think that only men should be able to go out and have multiple partners. Like, obviously, you know, some women and not speaking for all women, it's only some few women, like, they want to be with just they'd rather just fuck one guy. You know what I'm saying? I just want to do this. But some women be like, no, I'd rather. I don't want to have two guys. I want to have a different guy. And to think that only men want that and only men should be allowed. So I'm gonna go. Multiple women. Yes. They have sex. Like, yeah.

No.

Oh, yeah. These guys that, you know, all these kings that we look at had all these multiple women's in the past. No, like these women had multiple. They like they had a guy on the side. They were just waiting around in their room for him to come by the third Thursday of every month. Like, no, let me go the whole story because. Exactly.

Because who's writing the stories? Right, Right. Because we don't know the whole story. Who writes and chose to really give us this perspective? Right. Like you said, think about it.

There was who's. And these are new things. Like I've recently read in this book that I've been reading this good book called Sapiens and it talks about how there's diff. There's been different structures in societies. Like the structure in society before, you know, we really knew what was going on. Like the woman would have sex with everybody in the tribe because they thought that everybody brought something. They thought the combining the sperm. Like, oh, this guy's smart, this guy's strong. So let me have sex with multiple guys. So we could. And then we all raised the children.

Together, put all the semen in her.

Yeah.

To create this person.

Well, they were just open to supposedly create this person.

That. This person. Right, that or this child that is connected to everybody.

Yeah, but that is how it is. No one knows who the father is. The child is connected to everybody. So everybody's raising the child. And I think that's.

Then we should go to that.

I think. Well, the problem is everybody's too selfish nowadays. That's why we can't go to them. You know, everybody thinks it's all about them, but it's with every sister.

This is not a community thing. No, we not doing that.

Hey, they survived. That's how we got here.

Right? Yeah.

Like you said, that's an interesting book.

You call. I mean, not. Yeah, Sapiens, but it's not a community. I know, I wasn't saying like you have to have sex with everybody right now, but reality is you had sex with more than one guy. The thing about it is. Interesting thing about it is it's happening anyways, though I'm not saying at the Same time. But the thought. Because that's my thing about even monogamy. Like, if you've already had sex with more than two partners, of course. So to sit and be like, this is my pussy. And I only. Like, you've already been with someone else. You've already done the nasty. Something so nasty I don't even want to think about. So this is true. So why am I. Oh, now that we're together, you need to do this with me. Like, what do we got on this fucking ownership? Like, hey, man. But obviously I'm not in a relationship right now. If I was in one, I don't know how I would feel. It's easy for me to say that right now, but I fell deeply in love. I may be like, nah, bitch, you ain't going nowhere. See, I cannot. You better stay right here with me. Don't cheat on me. But. But I did. Donuts. I cannot. No, man. I've been on the other side of that. I've been on the side where a married couple, a woman that was a friend of mine, and she was married, and her husband maybe stepped out and she told. He told him it was okay because they weren't in. They weren't having sex no more, and we hung out, and it was cool with him. Like, it blew my mind. She was like, yeah, he's so happy. He sees me so happy. He's like, I'm so glad you hanging out with Kamal. And I'm like, hold on. This know my name. So. So it can work out. I mean, it didn't work out for us because I think she fell in love with me, but that's a whole nother situation. Here we go. Here we go.

All right. She fell in love with the donuts. You feed her donuts every night.

I was like, you got a husband. We can't be together.

It works out till it don't. This is very, very interesting, but always, always interesting conversation.

We don't have conversations here.

Consciously. Right.

You know, Come on, Grant. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Tell us more about.

You mentioned you got other businesses going on. Tell us more about you, what you have going on, and, you know, how.

We can connect with you. And here I got some. Yeah.

Magic.

Okay. I got my new thing. Magic middle. So what is that? This is my new cookie brand. Y' all need to go support it. Go buy these cookies. Magic middles. Check us out. Kitchen. Magic middles. Done a couple savvies around town, so. Okay. Yeah, I appreciate it, man.

That's what's up, man? It's just got the little Kamal over there. What is that thing that you got.

In your hand, man? It's a rolling pin. A rolling pin. Roll out the dope. So, yeah, go hopefully go talk to your local grocer. Say, please put this in the grocery store. Yeah. Wasn't that something that.

Tell us the story behind that. Like what you want with the name Magic Metals?

What.

What is that?

Yes, it is. Well, Keebler used to own this brand in the 90s, and I really love these cookies. So, you know, as I obviously started baking and got into more.

We going to do something right here. I'm. Yeah, we going. We going to give a reaction to this.

So they discontinued it. So I went about the trademark and now I own Magic Middles and I'm bringing them back better.

Magic Middles.

A lot of sweets, but we going.

To try enticing Magic Middles. Wow.

Little crisp. Little crisp cookie inside, chocolatey filling. No, crisp cookie outside, chocolatey filling inside. Right? Pretty good. Okay, thank you. Now we definitely got you.

So Magic Middles, right?

This is the future. Okay.

Yeah.

Supporting a little Magic Middle.

So where can people get some? Are there in any stores currently or right now?

They're in a couple savvies around Atlanta area. I'm setting up the Amazon right now. Hopefully that'll go live next week. And you can go, you know, Kamal's Kitchen and check it out. Or magicmiddles.com check us out. So that's what's up.

And Sublime Donuts, if you're in Atlanta.

Sublime.

The donut spot.

Yeah, Sublime.

You got any of Sublime Donuts?

No, we don't have any of the donuts.

Yeah, let them know where the donut spots are.

Donut spots, 10th street and. Hold on. Tell them where my shop is at. Yeah, and come to the shop. 35 10th Street, Atlanta. Downtown Atlanta, Midtown, West Midtown. Then we got another one on North Druid Hills and Briar Cliffs, so come check us out.

And Mercedes Benz, if the Falcons, you.

Know, check out some blonde donuts. Get your energy going. That's some magic metal from the Falcons, man.

Thank you so much. Much gratitude.

Come on, come on.

Check them out, y'.

All.

It's hilarious.

I appreciate y' all for having.

Thanks for joining us. Conscious Intercourse, y'. All.

Unconscious intercourse. Until next time. Infinite matriculation. Let's go.

Thank you.