EP 68: Puppy Socialisation - The Fastest Way to Lose Control

Welcome to Caffeine and canines episode 50 something, maybe even 60 something. I actually don't know. I think we've kind of somewhat had a sabbatical because we've been busy.

Yeah.

Training dogs and such. This would be our first podcast in the new Mega Center.

It is, yeah.

Yeah, we've been in the Mega center, but we did. We did one in Australia, so we weren't. That. We weren't.

Yeah, it's the first in this country.

Yeah. Yeah, it was the first Home fixture. Home fixture, yeah. So today we have every intention of talking about raising puppies. If you should send a puppy to doggy daycare, what you need to be cautious of if you decide to do so. And essentially balancing socialization and engagement and all that dog training. How's your week gone first, mate? What have you been up to?

Good. Obviously still early in the week this week. It's been a down week. We've got no boot camp this week. We had a really good one last week.

I think it was a record boot camp. It was a good turnaround boot camp, wasn't it?

Yeah, it was like. I probably. I don't think they'd mind me saying that. It started hard, was it? Yeah, there was a couple of super cynical Susie's. Not actually Susie's, but there was a lady at the start of the week who was possibly the most cynical person. I said to her on thing, I think it was Thursday or Friday. I said on Tuesday night. I was absolutely knackered because I was just like, nah, this will work because of this. This will work because of this.

So just for context, our boot camp, 10 owners, 10 dogs, they visit the YCA. It's a week long, intensive working with our training team. Start on site, work off site. Yeah, the first couple of days can be pretty slow.

Yeah.

Usually you got to get the fundamentals in. Certainly back end of the week.

Absolutely. It gets quite intense at the back end the week as we go. Multiple parks, even to, like cafes and indoor bars and that kind of stuff where the proximity is really tight. But yeah, the start of this boot camp, I think it was on average the most cynical bootcamp we've done. But there was a particular lady, super, super cynical and I flagged her on day one and said, you're going to be the thorn in my side this week, aren't you? But we got a really good rapport. Nice lady in the end, and I think it was on Wednesday. She was like, this is gonna work, isn't it?

I was like, yes, it's Worked a lot.

Yeah, it's worked a lot. It's gonna work a lot in the future.

And it worked so many times.

So many times. But it was just on the. I said to her, like, when she said that to me, I was like. On the Tuesday night, I was shattered from just making sure that I was like, right, everything's gotta be perfect for these people. And just the explanation around it of, like, right, this is why we're gonna have to do this, and this is why you're gonna have to be real good at this. But, yeah, Tuesday night, I was shattered. Wednesday, she said that, and it just kind of lifted me in the back. The couple of days at the back end of the week were really good. Really good.

The bootcamps are something you have to see to believe because you take 10, essentially, for all intents and purposes, very spicy dogs.

Yeah. Yeah.

And by the end of the week, they're running around off lead in the field.

Yeah, it's.

And go into the pub.

I'll be honest, we get lots of

tears on the boot camps, don't we?

Yeah, we do, actually. Yeah. Good. Usually lots of tears. Yeah, Usually good ones. Not just my profanity, but. Yeah. Like, even. Even. Even. I'm sometimes like, oh, wow.

Wow, that was good.

Yeah. How do we do that? Well, yeah, it's never. It never, never, never ceases to amaze, I don't think.

Yeah, they're great. I thoroughly enjoy them.

Being around them, very intense, but good fun.

Nice. Something else. We need to discuss the departure of one of my animals. One of my dogs. My dog Down.

Dog down.

Yeah.

No, he's not passed on.

No. So Big Lanny's gone to our beloved Schmutnut.

Yeah.

And it's just a. It's a great fit. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I really like how you do it as well, because obviously Maisie went to Abbas.

Yeah.

So you still see her.

God, there is no. There's no bigger compliment I can give you than give you one of my dogs. But, yeah, he sent me videos of him out this morning when I went with Olive, his spaniel. So I couldn't keep him apart for. For any longer. Right. So they're going on. I get to see him anyway. So he gets to come to PSA on a Wednesday and on a Saturday gives me more reason to show up and train as well to see Lenny, so it couldn't have worked out better.

Perfect.

I don't get to seven dogs anymore. Down to six. But yeah. Yeah. Buzzing for them both. So let's See how they go. Hopefully they can get out onto a trial field. But it's about time, you know, Simon got. Got a dog with a little bit more engine.

It's about time he got his own dog.

You know, frankly, like, it's not that I was neglecting Lenny, but he has a lot of potential as a dog to go on and do some. Some pretty great things, you know. Poor lad was kept in a kennel three and a half years of his life to. To no one's fault. So, yeah, when Simon said, you know, looking for a dog seemed like a very natural.

Yeah.

To then go and have them, you know, match me, I think. Yes. So, yeah, we'll. We'll keep everyone up to date on how Lenny and the mut nuts getting on. I'm sure the mutnut will milk it for every.

And why wouldn't you, man? Why wouldn't you? But, yeah, yeah, fair enough. But that's his actually. He's his own dog now.

It's his. Yeah, his own dog, his own time. He's not up to use his girlfriend's dog. I was, you know, like, people are making those action figure dolls of like, with AI. Yeah, I was gonna do a matnut one and be like, my bird's dog is my logo. Because it's been done two or three times now. His girlfriend's dog. Oh, that is funny. Yeah, he'll be listening. I'll get a text from him. He'll be texting me now and he'll just say, you wanker.

It's a good job he's a nice bloke, isn't he? Because he's a big fucker, isn't he?

Any big other big client wins over the last couple of weeks, mate.

Another one on a very similar theme. A lady joined TWI remote program. She is in Europe somewhere. I'm not exactly sure where.

We're in Europe somewhere, mate. Yeah, proper Europe.

Yeah, the proper Europe. Not this funny little island that we live on.

Swanky Europe.

Mainland Europe. Can you use that thing? Yeah, mainland Europe. And I remember the. I think she's about six weeks in now. I remember the first group call she came on, she was just like, how's this going to work? And I was like, this is the. It's week one. Please, just have a little bit of faith.

Where's my wife?

Yeah, and it's a little bit more difficult to convey that maybe on the Google Meet than is in person with the boot camp. But anyway, she stuck with it. She's very, very good. She Nails every single step. If you say something, she fucking does it. And then over the weekend, she had him fully off lead. He was reactive as shit to other dogs, too.

Really?

Yeah. She's got two dogs.

What breed is he?

I think he's a shepherd mix. He's not full shepherd, but he's definitely got some shepherd.

Was it just following the process? You've got to be. If you're doing twr, you got to be anal, haven't you?

Yeah, yeah.

You've got to follow. And if you are anal, like, biased. Yes, but you'll get phenomenal.

Yeah. And you can only. But she's exactly like that. She's very like, what do I need to do that? Right. Goes away, does it? Comes back, tells me what happened. Literally, step by step by step. Absolutely. To the T. Like, maybe even more so than necessary. But it's proved this point in terms of how quickly she's got to the point that she has in terms of. Over the weekend, he was off lead, there were other dogs present. He's looking at him and he's not. Like. She's not distracting him from there or anything. He's just making good choices off lead. So.

Nice.

Really nice. And it's just really nice to see how happy she is when she comes on calls.

Yeah, good. That's what it's all about, right?

Yeah, yeah, that's what it's all about. I think for the first time in two years or something, she's been back to the places where she couldn't walk in before.

Oh, awesome. What. What is he reactive? What was he reactive to, dogs or people?

Both. And bikes and all sorts of different. So, like a fairly. A fairly good. Full spectrum of. Yeah, definitely people. Definitely dogs. That was the two that she was most concerned about. And then obviously your bike's off the back of that.

But the thing is, the twr, you kind of got to go backwards to go forwards initially.

Yeah. And.

Yeah, and that's what people. That's what we get a little bit of friction with early. And we just have to be like, hey, you gotta trust the process. Walk the steps that many have before you.

It will work.

But there is an element of trust in the process.

I think that's maybe even amplified. If people have done quite a bit of other training before, it's like, oh, well, I've done all this and I can do this. I'm like, yeah, yeah. But just because he does a good heel doesn't mean he's going to stop reacting to X, Y and Z. Yep.

Because obedience strengthens. Obedience doesn't necessarily fix behavior. Nice feedback does that.

Feedback.

Oh, nice. I had a decent message from one of my mentees yesterday named Steve. I'll ask in future if I'm allowed to disclose their business names, but.

Oh, yeah, yeah, good point.

But, yeah, record month for him in terms of new clients.

Oh, nice.

Bringing on new clients. He gets to help more dogs. Twice as many as any previous month. There's times left of the month.

Nice.

Second month into the mentorship.

So that's not terrible stats, is it?

No, pretty good.

So, yeah, doubling in two months.

And just from how he's, like, following up with people after that initial consult.

Is that similar then in terms of, like, obviously, we just spoke about TWI and people just fucking following the steps and what you're saying. This will be a needle mover and

they go in, do it 100%. So I put everything in, like, order of, like, highest leverage to. To less leverage. And I'm like you, if you tick these first three boxes in terms of, like, refining what you're actually offering people. And so I won't go into too much detail, but. But yeah, start them out with that homework, and you get pretty big results in the first couple of months. You get to help more dogs. We get to help more dogs is like a domino effect, which is, I

think, is pretty cool.

All right, let's get into the crux of the podcast. So I was out with. For breakfast with May a couple of days ago on the weekend, and we took Stark with us, right. And he's, like, pretty well behaved, but he's really social around people. And she made a comment. She was like, oh, thank God he's that social considering, like, what he can do.

His capabilities. His capabilities.

And then she asked me the question, and. And I said off the back end of answering it, I should answer this on a podcast. We should talk about on the podcast, at least. So she. She said, I told Owen to make sure his young dog, Tennessee meets as many dogs as possible. Like, that dog needs socialized.

Yep.

And to interact with, to around with, to play with as many dogs as you possibly can.

Yep.

And then she said. She challenged me on it. She said, but you told me Martha, the sausage dog, her sausage dog was reactive because you sent it to daycare every single day. And she said, why is that? And I stopped for a second. I said, like, do you really want this answer? Because I'm have to draw some pictures for you Napkin. Like, you sure you want to go down this route or you you said. Yeah. No, I want you the answer. Yeah. You know, just to tell on the podcast. And if you can be fucked.

Yeah. You can listen to it after you can be out. Winston.

She's like, no, come on, tell me. I was like, okay. And to be fair to her, she seemed genuinely interested. I don't know.

Yeah, he's good like that.

So here was the point I made. Your dog and level of social interaction they're allowed to have as a puppy is, like, directly correlative with how much control and motivation your dog has towards you. So control you have on your dog and motivation, they have to want to interact with you as well.

Gotcha.

Ideally, we want our dog, just like in the instance of Stuck, to be very emotionally, positively drawn towards strangers.

Yep.

But we can control that and compensate for that, because if they want to interact with us, perhaps even more.

Yep.

Or if that fails, we still have control.

Yep. Nice.

Right. Because I don't want my Malinois or my Sausages. Sausage dog to be negatively drawn by anything.

Yeah.

I want them to feel positive. I don't even want them to feel neutral, which is a lot of what dog trainers aim for.

I think we did a little bit at the start there, like, years ago, we were probably almost too neutral.

Yeah. Because if the. If you do fall on genuinely neutral, it only takes one bad interaction with the dog to go from zero to minus numbers. And so, like, if something ever does happen to Stark and there's an altercation, which has happened in sessions here and in public, he's like, yeah, but the other hundred dogs I've interacted with.

Yeah.

It's all been a great time.

Yeah.

And so just that one. You know, it's like you eat olives for the first time. Right. And you pick up a bad olive. Or let's say grapes. All right. Because grapes are pretty nice. Like, some people, even a good olive can be bad. Right. So you pick up some grapes, and the first grape you eat is a bad grape, and you go, oh, my God, grapes are awful. Yeah. Because that was the first interaction I've had with grapes.

Yeah. Yeah.

But if I have a history of eating, like, lots of grapes and they're tasty, every single time I have a bad grape, I then go, oh, it's just one bad grape. The rest of them, I'm fine. I'm going to carry on eating grapes and not be like. And have an aversive kind of mindset towards them. Right. And so the point I made to May was the lots of dog interaction is Only a problem if you don't train your dog.

Yep.

Right. Essentially we could just boil it down to that.

Yeah.

And she didn't train a dog. That's where I went wrong. And I said, well, not necessarily. The problem is then fundamentally with doggy daycare, enclosed spaces and bad refereeing.

Yeah.

Is ultimately going to lead to issues too.

Yeah.

So while I do want my puppy to have lots of interaction because I want to raise a puppy that feels good around dogs and people, but just would prefer to interact with me. And a perfect example of that would be Stark. He comes in here. He would just be so elated to want to interact with each one of you and dogs. Right. But I can also say, hey, cut the shit. Or I can also say like, do you just want to play with me instead? And he's going to be like, absolutely, I do.

Yeah.

So that means he's going to be safe. Right. Because of if I have just control of him and I put him in a down. And you see this with lots of sport dogs, they're obedient.

Yeah.

And so long as the environment is managed and nothing goes into that dog space.

Yeah.

For all intents and purposes, that dog is safe.

Yeah. You know, that's my pet hair.

But if someone goes, oh, hey, there's a well behaved dog and goes towards that dog, that dog will go like, right. I, I don't have a choice now because I'm locked into obedience and I feel negatively about you because I've not been socialized and that could just be too much neutrality. You're going to create issues. And so I said, perfect scenario is I want to socialize my dog with other dogs. I might let them go out with the dog walker. So long as there's a small group and they're continually moving.

Yeah.

Where not only they're finding value in the environment at one another. Fill your boots. But you have to remember that doesn't mean you can neglect training because you have a social dog. And we've seen many a dog that fall on that side of the spectrum. Right. Lack of training, lack of boundaries, essentially. Lack of. Yeah, you're not allowed to do that even if you want to. But also lack. And we've just discussed why it shouldn't just, just be revolved around that. But also lack of like, hey, don't you want to interact with me even more though?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You mentioned something subtly then that I think people probably need to be seriously aware of is the continuous movement part I think is really important, especially like Obviously, if you get a puppy, you've got choices and you can decide how they're socialized. If you follow what you say, you're probably gonna have a good dog. If you fuck it up, it's on you. But if you rescue dogs and you get older dogs and you're trying to socialize them because maybe it hasn't been done particularly well. That movement part is so important, especially early. Obviously you still want to create that motivational side as well as you can. But that movement part, when you first kind of like allowing dogs to mix. Yeah, yeah.

Staying still is just a recipe for conflict.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You put five dogs in there, it's only a matter of a time before someone has a falling out.

Yeah.

You take that same five dogs and you go for a five mile walk, probably not going to get any fall inside because they're just too invested in the environment. You're also learning to like be in the presence of other dogs and perhaps interact.

Yeah, yeah.

But if you put your dogs in a, in a, in an environment that's sterile, or even if it's not sterile and there's enrichment shit in there, one, that's reason to fight. But two, they're going to quickly get over that anyway and then they're going to be like, right, where's value in this environment? Interacting with each other. And if that goes west, we're going to see fallings out. Right.

For sure.

Then what happens to the daycare dog? They have the falling out, they're removed. Then they've gone from seeing dogs and interacting with dogs and fucking around with dogs every single day to then cold turkey.

Yeah. The rug is pulled.

Yeah. And then more often than not, that's gonna create some sort of reactivity. But not why most people think not, because if it was the last fight that they had with the dog is a lasting memory. It's that they've had a constant access to dogs, their favorite fucking thing in the world, because you didn't train them. And then suddenly, cold turkey, they see another dog out and about, what are they gonna do me? There's a dog, I haven't seen one

of them in ages.

I haven't humped one of them in ages. I haven't had fucking arm wrestle one of them in ages. Right. And then the owner, what do they do? They go, no, don't go near that dog. You start fights, you dickhead. And then it perpetuates and we get into this cycle.

Yeah. You can see how it happens. And like with naivety, you're like, right, okay, I get it. But it doesn't need to be that way. It's, like, not that hard to do what you described about creating motivation. So long as you can pull your dog away from dogs when you need to. Fine. All right, Go and go mess around with them and socialize and learn that there's boundaries from dogs, because that's probably one of the best ways to learn it.

Yeah. I think if. If people didn't have access to the Internet and pop culture and just, like, had a dog put on their toes, they'd probably be doing. They'd probably do a better job without the influence of the Internet off their natural instinct than they would by listening to the Internet. Like, hey, you're not allowed to bite me. Like, that's pretty fucking obvious. I'm gonna exercise the dog a hell of a lot and probably let him meet some other dogs.

Yeah.

But the Internet is constantly just feeding us shit.

I couldn't prove it, but, like, if you think of dogs, like, 20 years ago.

Yeah.

Like, there was dogs in my neighborhood that just kind of roamed around. They kind of got on together. None of them were chinning people and dogs. It's just like, you naughty. You got told you were naughty.

Yeah.

And that was. They were just like, all right.

While there are some practices that are definitely not optimal, of course, it was probably. You were probably more on the right lines 20 years ago than you were like, nowadays, because it's getting ridiculous. Yeah, just give him some drugs.

Just get some drugs. Actual advice.

No, no, none of this is actual advice.

Yeah, fair enough.

Two idiots experience.

Yeah. I tried to count the dogs I trained since April. I can't do it.

No, no, it'd be impossible. It'd be impossible.

Too many.

The. Talk about deep practice.

Yeah.

Blowing our own trumpets, like.

Oh, yeah.

Just the amount of boot camps we run alone.

Yeah.

You know, plus you're running in a group claw with multiple people every single day.

Yeah. It's a lot. And.

Yeah, there's many of them.

It's good, though.

Yeah, it's great. That's what we signed up for, right?

Yeah.

That's why we're in this big old unit, for the camera.

Looks like small. Could be the.

Yeah, we need to do it now. Can you let it in or.

No.

We'll throw a poppy ping up, shall we? Oh, there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ping us up whilst I've got.

Yeah.

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Yep.

Had I think the. What's the solution to treat such a dog then?

Which dog we talking about?

The dog Doggy daycare. So hyper social.

Yeah.

Lots of dog interaction, minimal boundaries, minimal owner motivation.

Creating clarity. Okay. You can go and hang out with some appropriate buddies. But it's on cue.

Yeah.

Roughly like I know that sounds really basic but essentially like rather than ad lib access to the dogs, I'm going to let you socialize with some dogs. But this end and this still has relevance and importance. Otherwise you're going to end up in a sticky problem. I think there's definitely certain dogs, whether it be genetic predisposition and, or the environment that creates it, but there'll be certain dogs that have always got a ceiling of where they can get to it 100% because there is some of those dogs that want to fight. As an example, like if we're not talking about the over social dogs that have maybe been to daycare, there'll be some dogs. Sorry. That actually wanna fucking scrap. Right.

Yeah.

Conor McGregor loves scrapping, I imagine.

Yeah.

He's done well out of it too.

Yeah.

So they'll be that dog and they'll have a ceiling of how social maybe they can be. So maybe they require a little bit more management and control. But your aim for me would be like you said and maybe this shifted for us a few years ago in terms of like I want my dog to be as social as possible as long as I've got a good deck of cards to bring them back and whatever when I need to.

Hmm. There's some dogs that's just gonna be like genetically introverted.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's one by four.

There's a limit and we've, I think we've tested that limit in the last

few years as well to be fair.

And we may have even pushed that ceiling just a little bit. Bumped it just a little bit.

Yeah, for sure.

So yeah, there's, there's gonna be limits. I think you fall into a danger of maybe trying to surpass those like natural limits.

Yeah.

You want to push it maybe to get your dog to the point of as being as safe as they possibly can.

Yeah. But you know, but not all Dogs are going to be mates with all dogs.

Not all dogs are going to be mates of all dogs, you know. Yeah. Certainly within my group, there's probably some, you know, Stark and Kobe especially. There are some friction points. I can have them out together and stuff. Just not around gates.

I didn't think you said gates, then.

No, they're all right like that. They're fine. No, they're very accepting voice. Yeah, they're very accepting. No, gates.

Yes.

Is it squeaky gates? Is it the tight gates? Gates.

Yeah, I got you now. I just didn't hear that. It was like a silent tea.

Yeah. As soon as that gate cracks open, they're.

Yeah, yeah. And little John, like, I can probably. Lj, I can probably socialize him with most dogs, but I've gotta actively referee and facilitate it for a period of time. Like, he's met and hung around with Thor, Owen's Big Roy. He's probably his worst nightmare. He can hang around with him, he can go for a walk. But it was one of those we're keeping fucking moving walks. It wasn't like, let's go stand next to each other, sniff each other, go stiff as hell. And then he had a bit of a snap at him or he had to tell him he couldn't do that because he was like, lj, yeah, come on, little fella. There's no reason.

Just bite your way out of anything.

No, but then once that was out of the way, I don't know, we walked 2, 3K together. They were fine. Cruising around.

Punishment enables us to achieve prediction error. Yeah, don't do that. Hey, look, you know the thing you thought was going to happen, it didn't happen.

No.

But if we allow the reaction, the dog may never get to the point, which is like, ultimate goal. Lots of prediction error. Oh, shit. That dog was never going to hurt me or want to fight me or anything. If we just allow the reaction or the bite in that instance to happen.

Yeah.

The dog goes, oh, I only avoided that fight by reacting or smacking him up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so suppression there sometimes has a role.

Yeah.

Via the means of punishment, to say, you're not allowed to do that.

Yeah.

But look what didn't.

That was pretty much what it was too.

And then next time the dog sees that situation, they go, I'm not allowed to do the thing. Is he going to get. Oh, he didn't.

Yeah, yeah.

He didn't try and chin me.

Yeah, exactly.

Or make me his prison bitch.

Don't think he would. I think John's got him. But, yeah, so, like, he.

He.

Whereas Bumble and Blue, they'll go out with any dog pretty much any point. Bumble obviously can wind a dog up, but as long as you keep him settled, he go out with any dog, really. Whereas Lil Jon's just like, all right, well, he's gonna have certain mates. If not, I'm gonna do some fairly scrutinising, refereeing, and he'll be set, won't he?

Yeah. Nice. Something else has happened since our last podcast as well that we should probably talk about.

Not.

I just needed to come clean about it, I think.

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Yeah.

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You, waist down.

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Yeah, you will be.

All right, fair enough.

You're probably pretty safe for a good few months.

Any closing statements, sir?

No, just motivation is key.

Yep.

In which case you've got license to socialize your dog.

You just. You need a motivated dog. You need a great set. You need a great set of pants.

It's all in the pants, baby.

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Yeah. All right.

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